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| andreykurilin_ | #startmeeting Rally | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 26 14:02:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is andreykurilin_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 14:02 |
| andreykurilin_ | hi ! | 14:02 |
| rvasilets | \o | 14:02 |
| amaretskiy | hi | 14:02 |
| andreykurilin_ | let's start from the news | 14:03 |
| andreykurilin_ | #topic news | 14:03 |
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| andreykurilin_ | Elections of Openstack PTLs for Ocata period are finished | 14:04 |
| andreykurilin_ | results are here - https://github.com/openstack/election/blob/master/doc/source/ocata_ptl_results.rst | 14:04 |
| andreykurilin_ | I'm new PTL of Rally :) | 14:04 |
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| amaretskiy | great! | 14:05 |
| andreykurilin_ | boris-42 thank you for your hard work. I expect that you will not forget about us and continue contribute to Rally project :) | 14:05 |
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| andreykurilin_ | lol | 14:05 |
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| andreykurilin_ | for those, who did not read my campaign promises - https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/election/plain/candidates/ocata/Rally/andreykurilin.txt | 14:06 |
| andreykurilin_ | So we have a lot of "work in progress" tasks and we should try to finish them during next 6 monthes | 14:08 |
| andreykurilin_ | all of them are real | 14:08 |
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| andreykurilin_ | another new - let's try to prepare to release Rally at the end of this week | 14:09 |
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| andreykurilin_ | The question is Do we have any blockers? | 14:10 |
| andreykurilin_ | I see two tasks which should be finished before releasing new version | 14:10 |
| andreykurilin_ | 1) finish porting all scenarios to class-based style | 14:11 |
| andreykurilin_ | there is only one or two patches | 14:11 |
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| andreykurilin_ | 2) new section in reports for hooks | 14:12 |
| andreykurilin_ | For the next release we should concentrate on merging all db stuff | 14:12 |
| rvasilets | +1 | 14:13 |
| andreykurilin_ | we have several patches which are ready to merge | 14:13 |
| andreykurilin_ | let's test it again and finish them | 14:13 |
| amaretskiy | 2) new section in reports for hook <-- work in progress, first results will be tomorrow | 14:13 |
| andreykurilin_ | amaretskiy: nice | 14:13 |
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| andreykurilin_ | # neutron scenarios | 14:14 |
| andreykurilin_ | #topic neutron scenarios | 14:14 |
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| andreykurilin_ | several weeks ago we found several bugs in neutron | 14:14 |
| andreykurilin_ | and it looks like neutron-team is ready to look at Rally more serious | 14:15 |
| andreykurilin_ | but we have several "shortcomings" there | 14:15 |
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| andreykurilin_ | 1) bad usage of atomics | 14:15 |
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| andreykurilin_ | boris-42 has a patch for that task | 14:16 |
| andreykurilin_ | 2) 3 scenarios should be ported to use "network" context | 14:17 |
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| andreykurilin_ | We should try to find volunteer for that task | 14:17 |
| andreykurilin_ | Is there anybody here who ready to try it? | 14:17 |
| rvasilets | for second one? | 14:17 |
| andreykurilin_ | yes | 14:17 |
| andreykurilin_ | for first one we have boris-42 | 14:18 |
| andreykurilin_ | :) | 14:18 |
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| andreykurilin_ | 3) nested atomics | 14:18 |
| andreykurilin_ | neutron scenarios have a lot of nested atomics | 14:19 |
| rvasilets | This week we have a lot of chinese, need to invite them for contribution somehow | 14:19 |
| andreykurilin_ | and we should start supporting them | 14:19 |
| rvasilets | new contributors - the are chinese | 14:19 |
| rvasilets | *they | 14:19 |
| andreykurilin_ | ok | 14:20 |
| andreykurilin_ | let's try to ping them at our regular channel | 14:20 |
| rvasilets | here are they https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:zhangzh.fnst%2540cn.fujitsu.com+status:open | 14:20 |
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| rvasilets | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:maxj.fnst%2540cn.fujitsu.com+status:open | 14:21 |
| rvasilets | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:lei.lu%2540easystack.cn+status:open | 14:21 |
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| rvasilets | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:hoangcx%2540vn.fujitsu.com+status:open | 14:21 |
| rvasilets | They made a lot of small useless patches) | 14:21 |
| rvasilets | into rally | 14:21 |
| rvasilets | last week | 14:21 |
| andreykurilin_ | rvasilets: they are not useless! | 14:22 |
| rvasilets | Ok | 14:22 |
| andreykurilin_ | please, be more tolerant | 14:22 |
| rvasilets | Three of them from fujitsu | 14:22 |
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| rvasilets | I guess they are working under Rally | 14:22 |
| andreykurilin_ | it is nice! | 14:22 |
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| andreykurilin_ | ok, it looks like I have no more topics to discuss | 14:23 |
| rvasilets | Lets make their development more managed | 14:23 |
| andreykurilin_ | )) | 14:23 |
| andreykurilin_ | Any topics from you, guys? | 14:23 |
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| rvasilets | about RPC patch | 14:23 |
| andreykurilin_ | cool | 14:24 |
| rvasilets | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234195/ | 14:24 |
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| andreykurilin_ | assume RPC == RPS runner | 14:24 |
| rvasilets | yeah | 14:24 |
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| andreykurilin_ | #topic next level for RPS runner | 14:25 |
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| andreykurilin_ | we should update this patch | 14:25 |
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| rvasilets | So what I need to do with it after rebase? | 14:25 |
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| andreykurilin_ | I know a lot of folks who want this change | 14:25 |
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| rvasilets | I suggest to merge this one and if its needed to impore this feature in other patches | 14:26 |
| rvasilets | *improve | 14:26 |
| rvasilets | amaretskiy, andreykurilin_, how about that? Just rebase it | 14:28 |
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| amaretskiy | i don't like manual calculations for config - there is a comment from me left in this patch | 14:29 |
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| amaretskiy | this is not user-friendly | 14:29 |
| andreykurilin_ | rvasilets: I talk with several folks who want this change and they need one more option there. It should be easy to extend it - step for changing number of requests per second. | 14:29 |
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| amaretskiy | ok, i will look at this patch, meybe it's a time to move it forward | 14:30 |
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| andreykurilin_ | also, maybe it is ok, that "max" can not be achieved(in case when "times" is too small) ? | 14:31 |
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| andreykurilin_ | anyway, we should finish this task ... there are a lot of folks who want it | 14:32 |
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| rvasilets | if we can't reach max rps then we've faced with the question what to do with the rest rps that is not done yet. (in the patch raised an error for simplicity and was assumed to work on such stuff in futhure patches) | 14:33 |
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| rvasilets | Also it does for rps in range(min_rps, max_rps + 1, step) now. So what step you mean? | 14:35 |
| rvasilets | andreykurilin_, ^ | 14:35 |
| andreykurilin_ | rvasilets: in case of your patch, number of requests will be changed each second. for more "stable" results, we should repeat each RPS several seconds after changing it | 14:36 |
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| rvasilets | rps could be smaller then 1 as I member | 14:37 |
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| andreykurilin_ | it is true | 14:38 |
| andreykurilin_ | but it doesn't metter | 14:38 |
| andreykurilin_ | I mean that we need to repeat each value of "rps" several times | 14:38 |
| andreykurilin_ | to achieve more "stable" results | 14:39 |
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| rvasilets | I don't know how this change the code now. Will think. But the simplest way for me as a developer is to merge that patch and not to keep a bit unrelated this in feature patch | 14:40 |
| andreykurilin_ | rvasilets: it can be done via some generator like http://xsnippet.org/361999/ | 14:41 |
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| rvasilets | I can't figure out it in a fly | 14:43 |
| andreykurilin_ | ok | 14:43 |
| andreykurilin_ | anything else to discuss? | 14:44 |
| rvasilets | no | 14:44 |
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| amaretskiy | i have a small topic | 14:45 |
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| amaretskiy | this patch gives great improvements for API: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369412/ | 14:46 |
| amaretskiy | this is a review request :) eom | 14:46 |
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| andreykurilin_ | heh | 14:47 |
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| andreykurilin_ | ok | 14:47 |
| andreykurilin_ | let's finish | 14:47 |
| rvasilets | ok | 14:47 |
| andreykurilin_ | #endmeeting | 14:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 26 14:48:02 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-09-26-14.02.html | 14:48 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-09-26-14.02.txt | 14:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-09-26-14.02.log.html | 14:48 |
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| lennyb | #startmeeting third-party | 15:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 26 15:03:42 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lennyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:03 |
| anteaya | thank you lennyb | 15:03 |
| anteaya | infra is having a few fires today | 15:04 |
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| anteaya | do ping if I can contribute | 15:04 |
| lennyb | ok | 15:04 |
| wznoinsk | hi | 15:04 |
| lennyb | wznoinsk, hi | 15:04 |
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| eantyshev | Hello! | 15:04 |
| lennyb | hello | 15:05 |
| lennyb | does anyone have somethign to discuss? | 15:05 |
| eantyshev | May I ask for some help with my reviews: I am probably not well acquainted with the right people. Have got some worth to be merged to enable Third-Party CI setup: https://review.openstack.org/364151, https://review.openstack.org/367232 and https://review.openstack.org/238988 but almost nobody reacts among the reviewers. They are small and trivial, so can I ask you to review them, please? | 15:05 |
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| asselin_ | and this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/366803/ | 15:06 |
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| eantyshev | asselin_: sure, I used this one too | 15:07 |
| lennyb | asselin_, eantyshev thanks. | 15:07 |
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| lennyb | try to get people directly on IRC | 15:08 |
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| lennyb | I have a question about running tempest tests | 15:08 |
| lennyb | I used to use run_tempest.sh script but it's depricated now | 15:09 |
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| lennyb | how do you run tests? | 15:09 |
| wznoinsk | eantyshev: I'd recommend to add it to Infra's team meeting: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting | 15:09 |
| lennyb | specific tests | 15:09 |
| wznoinsk | tox with regex... let me dig out | 15:10 |
| eantyshev | wznoinsk: good advice, I will try! | 15:10 |
| lennyb | I am running this way #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/582968/ | 15:10 |
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| wznoinsk | lennyb: I tend to give devstack-gate a regex for it to run with tox | 15:12 |
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| lennyb | wznoinsk, thanks, I will look for example of this approach | 15:13 |
| wznoinsk | https://github.com/openstack-infra/devstack-gate/blob/master/devstack-vm-gate.sh#L753 | 15:13 |
| lennyb | wznoinsk, btw, any news regarding the script to compare your CI against the others ? | 15:14 |
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| wznoinsk | lennyb: I've asked my workmate to upload after reviewing it, will have to check back with him | 15:14 |
| wznoinsk | I'll let you know when it's up for sure | 15:15 |
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| lennyb | wznoinsk, thanks | 15:15 |
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| wznoinsk | on a different note, anyone tried nodepool + baremetal slaves? | 15:15 |
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| lennyb | any other issues/questions? | 15:15 |
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| eantyshev | wnoinsk: not me, sorry | 15:15 |
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| wznoinsk | lennyb: how do you provision ur baremetals? | 15:16 |
| jenk_s | Hi I'm testing a new IRC client. Having some problems and testing via a browser. | 15:16 |
| eantyshev | lennyb: we run it like that: tox -evenv testr run tests.test_scheduler.TestScheduler.test_crd_reconfiguration_project_unknown | 15:17 |
| lennyb | wznoinsk, we dont. we have a pool of physical servers to ru CI | 15:17 |
| eantyshev | lennyb: when you need a specific test | 15:17 |
| lennyb | eantyshev: thanks. I will check it | 15:17 |
| wznoinsk | lennyb: do you reimage/reinstall it after builds or clean it? | 15:17 |
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| lennyb | wznoinsk, no. only cleaning stack and some installed packages | 15:18 |
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| lennyb | wznoinsk, yes, I know it's not the best way to do it | 15:18 |
| wznoinsk | lennyb: sure, if it works then ok | 15:18 |
| eantyshev | wznoinsk: we use one-time VMs to run devstack, governed by nodepool | 15:19 |
| wznoinsk | I was having more problems when I was only cleaning the nodes I remember, like not devstack/openstack related etc. | 15:19 |
| lennyb | wznoinsk, it's quit stable, especially after running tempest in virtual env | 15:19 |
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| wznoinsk | lennyb: we've spent ~3months to migrate to zuul + nodepool but it was worth I have to say | 15:21 |
| wznoinsk | one of nice features is when the slave goes offline for some unknown reason, zuul reschedules the job again rather than reporting it as failure | 15:21 |
| lennyb | wznoinsk: niiice. | 15:22 |
| wznoinsk | lennyb: have you tried host pci passtrhru to a VM and then split into VFs? | 15:22 |
| lennyb | wznoinsk: no | 15:23 |
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| wznoinsk | lennyb: what was the problem you'were struggling with in containers for SRIOV? I thought that was something around kernel? | 15:24 |
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| lennyb | I couldnt get VF in the VM. Also we wanted Containers for MultiNode CI, but after some reading we saw that you cant run 2 containers with SRIOV on the same server | 15:25 |
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| wznoinsk | lennyb: some driver limitation? | 15:25 |
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| lennyb | probably. | 15:26 |
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| lennyb | If there is nothing else to discuss I will close the meeting | 15:28 |
| wznoinsk | I'm good | 15:28 |
| lennyb | thank you all for being here. See you next week | 15:28 |
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| lennyb | #endmeeting | 15:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 26 15:30:11 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-09-26-15.03.html | 15:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-09-26-15.03.txt | 15:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-09-26-15.03.log.html | 15:30 |
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| alekseyruban | Hi everybody. Can anyone explain how to generate option table for documentation for new driver? | 15:33 |
| alekseyruban | Kind of I need to use openstack-doc-tools but I don't know what exactly I need to do. | 15:34 |
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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 26 16:02:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | hi everyone | 16:02 |
| mgershen1 | hi | 16:02 |
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| ddeja | o/ | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | hi | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | let's wait 1 more minute | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | someone else may join | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | ddeja: in the meantime I can answer your question that you asked in our channel | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | it's because one of the 'join' dependencies has action std.async_noop which never ends on its own | 16:05 |
| ddeja | oh, yes | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | it ends only if we give it a result manually | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | yep | 16:05 |
| ddeja | know it is clear | 16:05 |
| ddeja | now* | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | ok, let's start | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: I'm not sure if you're available but welcome to join our meeting | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Review Action items | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action items (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:06 | |
| d0ugal | Hey all | 16:06 |
| d0ugal | Sorry I am late | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | no problem | 16:07 |
| mgershen1 | hi d0ugal | 16:07 |
| * d0ugal went for a run and worked a bit hard, now he is recovering slowly | 16:07 | |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | 1. ddeja will check if it is safe to change from sync to async in default executor while returning action results | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | this is done obviously | 16:07 |
| ddeja | rakhmerov: not really | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, no!! | 16:07 |
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| rakhmerov | yeah, I confused it with a different thing | 16:07 |
| ddeja | well, it is done, but not obviously :) | 16:08 |
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| rakhmerov | :) | 16:08 |
| ddeja | I've looked into the code | 16:08 |
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| rakhmerov | can you provide more details? | 16:08 |
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| ddeja | it should be totaly safe to change it in deafult executor | 16:08 |
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| ddeja | but _on_action_complete method from EngineClient is used in 3 more places | 16:08 |
| ddeja | (despite tests) | 16:08 |
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| rakhmerov | yeah | 16:09 |
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| ddeja | in 2 of them it also should be safe to change into async | 16:09 |
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| ddeja | but in one it have to be 'sync' | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: the only thing I'm not sure about is how synchronous action running will work | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:09 |
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| rakhmerov | if we do 'mistral action-run' in sync mode I guess | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | right? | 16:09 |
| ddeja | we do it in sync mode right now | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | hm.. | 16:10 |
| ddeja | what we also do in sync mode, is sending result back to engine | 16:10 |
| ddeja | engine send request to start action in async manner (if action is part of workflow) | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: as far as this one I'm not sure it's good | 16:10 |
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| ddeja | but executor send result back in sync mode, which I guess can be changes | 16:11 |
| ddeja | changed* | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | I would say why do we need to send a result synchronously? | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | yes, I see no reason why not | 16:11 |
| ddeja | there is no reason | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | so what about running action in sync mode? | 16:11 |
| ddeja | but there is one place when we want to use _on_action_complete in synchronous mode | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | can it be just customized somehow for this specific case? | 16:11 |
| ddeja | so we need to change the method so we can decide how we would do use it - in sync or async mode | 16:12 |
| ddeja | I'll send patch tommorow | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, ok | 16:12 |
| d0ugal | I always felt like sync action calls broke the models a bit :) | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | I think we're on the same page | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: 100% true statement | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | me too | 16:12 |
| ddeja | about running action | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | yeah | 16:12 |
| ddeja | run action needs to be send in sync mode | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | when I was refactoring it in summer I was about to twist my mind because this specific function | 16:13 |
| ddeja | API is waiting for the reply | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: yes, but seems like we can somehow determine that on the executor side and decide how to send a result | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | sync or async | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | right? | 16:13 |
| d0ugal | Can we change it to run in async, but still return the result? | 16:13 |
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| d0ugal | Would that solve the problem? | 16:14 |
| ddeja | yes, but run-action case is special | 16:14 |
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| ddeja | executor runs slightly different when run-action is executed | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:14 |
| ddeja | and in that case, executor sends results back in async mode | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:15 |
| ddeja | but we can still have a deadlock | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: so what's your conclusion? Do you think it's doable? | 16:15 |
| ddeja | OK, first let's distinguish two things, to make sure that we are on the same page | 16:15 |
| ddeja | it is totaly doable to change how executor sends results back, I'll send patch tommorow | 16:16 |
| ddeja | it is very hard to get rid of deadlock in case run-action is used to start another action | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:16 |
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| ddeja | so, with the easy change we would get rid of almost all deadlocks, but this one will still remain | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | hm.. I'm confused, I thought using 'eventlet' RPC on executor helps, no? | 16:17 |
| ddeja | not for this one | 16:17 |
| ddeja | as long as we have one executor, mistral run action 'run action' would deadlock on engine | 16:17 |
| ddeja | one engine* | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:18 |
| ddeja | I think the safest thing to do is: | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | wait a sec | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | just want to clarify | 16:18 |
| ddeja | ok | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | this is what you discussed recently with Thomas, right? | 16:19 |
| ddeja | yup | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | the corner case when we use mistral action to run action? | 16:19 |
| ddeja | yes | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | ok, my suggestion: let's postpone it | 16:19 |
| ddeja | I have one easy fix | 16:19 |
| d0ugal | Can we make the mistral actions async only? | 16:20 |
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| rakhmerov | I agree this is an issue, but 1) no need to shoot our own legs 2) it's not the only issue like that | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: maybe, need to think | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: I guess sync behavior can be immitated just on the client | 16:21 |
| ddeja | on executor side - if mistralclient is used in executor, we can easly check if it would be used to create action-execution and raise an exception | 16:21 |
| ddeja | I can prepare a patch for this also | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | ok, if it's not too time consuming | 16:22 |
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| ddeja | it should not | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | please add all of us as reviewers + Thomas Herve | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | at least we can discuss it there | 16:22 |
| ddeja | sure | 16:22 |
| ddeja | ok | 16:22 |
| d0ugal | +1 | 16:22 |
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| mgershen1 | +1 | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | ok, let's move on? I suggest we take discuss it more tomorrow if needed | 16:22 |
| ddeja | yes, we can move on | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Current status | 16:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Current status (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:23 | |
| rakhmerov | my status: fixed one pretty simple bug (patches on review), made some more optimizations in engine (removed environment from task inbound contexts) and mostly reviewing patches, writing emails and cleaning up launchpad | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | and also backporting patches to stable/newton | 16:24 |
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| d0ugal | I posted a patch today to save the result of sync actions, but given the other discussion on this I am even less sure about it :) https://review.openstack.org/376366 | 16:25 |
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| mgershen1 | status 1/2: waiting for a review in rally https://review.openstack.org/#/c/358352/ | 16:25 |
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| mgershen1 | 2/2: opened a bug, but will probably work on another issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1627711 | 16:25 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1627711 in Mistral "on-complete of a default on-error tasks sometimes doesn't run" [Undecided,New] | 16:25 |
| ddeja | my status: On monday I've spend some time on fixing the deadlock bug, but then nothing, needed to speed up work on my master thesis, I'm terriblly sorry that I didn't have time for reviews. | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: ok, I'll take a look | 16:25 |
| d0ugal | I have also been looking into the security bug ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1627689 ). | 16:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1627689 in Mistral "Openstack service client caching breaks security and backward compatibility" [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to Jeff Peeler (jpeeler-z) | 16:26 |
| d0ugal | but we will probably be talking about that in a bit anyway :) | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: that's ok, no worries | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yes, Jeff replied on that bug | 16:27 |
| d0ugal | ddeja: I greatly appreciate all the help you have been able to give :) | 16:27 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: he did? I can't see it. | 16:27 |
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| rakhmerov | in a private exchange :) | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | he is on sick leave today | 16:28 |
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| d0ugal | ah, I did see that | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | as far as I understand he actually might not have time to fix it | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | this week | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | so somebody else has to | 16:29 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: Yeah, I think that is true. I would like to help. | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: can you? | 16:29 |
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| d0ugal | rakhmerov: Yeah, I think so | 16:29 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: Given this is urgent, I would suggest reverting the patch and I'll propose an updated version ASAP | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | this is an option, yes | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | I just don't know how much important this caching is for TripleO | 16:30 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: Not very. | 16:30 |
| d0ugal | It is more of a "nice to have" | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | the solution seems to be just to build cache keys correctly | 16:31 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: and also handle invalidated tokens. | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | so that they contain not only tenant id but a user name | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:31 |
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| rakhmerov | ooh, yes, tokens | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | forgot about them | 16:31 |
| d0ugal | I think the tokens will be trickier to fix. | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | true | 16:31 |
| d0ugal | The cache key should be easy | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | yep | 16:31 |
| d0ugal | I'll see what I can do tomorrow. | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | as far as tokens, yep, it might be tricky | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:32 |
| d0ugal | I'll assign it to me | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | then I'll assign it to you, okay? | 16:32 |
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| d0ugal | Already done :) | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | or you can do it, yes | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | as far as tokens, we can probably parse it and see its expiration time | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | but I have never done this (with Keystone tokens) | 16:33 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:33 |
| d0ugal | No, I've not looked at them either - but I will investigate | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:33 |
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| rakhmerov | maybe it's not that hard as we imagine | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | ok, let's move on | 16:34 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic RC2 release readiness | 16:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RC2 release readiness (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:34 | |
| rakhmerov | so essentially, two things here | 16:34 |
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| rakhmerov | 1. we need to backport needed patches (partially done) | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | 2. Fix this caching issue | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | I also have 3 patches on review that would be nice to have in RC2 | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | especially two about removing delayed calls | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | because it's really a bug and sometimes it may be severe | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | other than that seems like we're OK | 16:36 |
| d0ugal | When are you planning to release RC2? | 16:36 |
| * d0ugal is juggling Mistral and TripleO critical bugs now :) | 16:37 | |
| rakhmerov | this Thursday is a deadline | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:37 |
| d0ugal | okay, that's the same day. damn. | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | yep | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | but we need to be ready on Wed | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | and btw, I won't be available most of this Wed | 16:37 |
| * ddeja also | 16:38 | |
| d0ugal | hah, I'll be here :) | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | but I think we'll do it | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | I again realized a couple of days ago that our docs are pretty terrible | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | honestly | 16:38 |
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| rakhmerov | and it's kind of sad that we again didn't have time to improve them in this cycle | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | hoping we'll be able to do it soon though | 16:39 |
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| d0ugal | rakhmerov: haha, I don't think they are *that* bad. Some projects are worse. | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | maybe d0ugal could help :) | 16:39 |
| d0ugal | but once people stop me writing code for newton, I'd be happy to spend some time working on docs | 16:39 |
| mgershen1 | I really wanted to improve them too, maybe next time | 16:39 |
| d0ugal | (I will be doing something similar for TripleO) | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yeah, it's probably about my expectations. They are pretty high | 16:40 |
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| rakhmerov | I see some ideal docs in my head, and we are far away from that picture :) | 16:40 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: Can you open a bug and write down some of the issues you have and what you would like to see? | 16:40 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: Then assign that to me so I have something to start with | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yes, definitely | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | what's more, somebody is already working to identify gaps in our docs | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | but I'll add more to that | 16:41 |
| d0ugal | oh, good | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | style, structure etc. etc. | 16:41 |
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| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov: file a ticket on what needs to be improved in Mistral docs and assign to d0ugal | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Maintaining Launchpad projects (mistral and python-mistralclient) | 16:42 |
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| rakhmerov | I just decided to include this topic because I was trying to clean up our LP today :) | 16:43 |
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| rakhmerov | I know that it's been an issue for a while that we don't really use 'python-mistralclient' LP project | 16:43 |
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| rakhmerov | I think it's time to start doing it | 16:44 |
| d0ugal | I didn't even know it existed! | 16:44 |
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| d0ugal | I would suggest using one project and making better use of tags in Launchpad. | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: ok :) Which makes me think that it's good that I included this topic | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | you think so? | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | well, wait a sec | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | the reason we were using two project is versioning | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | it's different between server and client | 16:45 |
| d0ugal | This is how TripleO handles this: https://github.com/openstack/tripleo-specs/blob/master/specs/policy/bug-tagging.rst | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | as for most of other projects | 16:45 |
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| d0ugal | Ah, I see. I didn't think about that. | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | as far as tags, I fully agree | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | it's just about versioning | 16:46 |
| d0ugal | Okay, I am not familiar enough with versioning to help there :) | 16:46 |
| d0ugal | I guess in TripleO we just have the same version for everything | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | long ago we used the same versioning schema but then there came an OpenStack decision to version clients differently | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | so did I :) | 16:46 |
| d0ugal | aha | 16:46 |
| mgershen1 | I think if we have another project for client we should use it. | 16:47 |
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| d0ugal | Yeah, if the versioning is different then I think it makes sense | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, we version server as 1,2,3 dev milestones, then RC1, RC3 (maybe more) and final release | 16:47 |
| * d0ugal has some client bugs he needs to move over | 16:47 | |
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| rakhmerov | but for client we don't need that | 16:47 |
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| rakhmerov | it's not needed for client because 1) we assumingly we don't change client that much 2) many versions of client may be compatible with one server API | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | anyway, let's try to use it | 16:49 |
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| rakhmerov | so I'm essentially asking just to keep in mind that we have it | 16:49 |
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| ddeja | ok | 16:50 |
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| d0ugal | Sounds good. Is there a way to move bugs over? | 16:50 |
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| rakhmerov | not that I'm aware of | 16:50 |
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| rakhmerov | d0ugal: sorry :) | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | that's all that I have from my side for today | 16:51 |
| d0ugal | no problem! | 16:51 |
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| rakhmerov | d0ugal: do you have many of them to move? | 16:52 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: No, only one that I remember. | 16:52 |
| d0ugal | and I need to check the others | 16:52 |
| mgershen1 | d0ugal: "Also affects project" might do it | 16:52 |
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| d0ugal | mgershen1: good point, that should work. I'll take a look later :) | 16:53 |
| mgershen1 | d0ugal: if you send me a link of such bug, I will try | 16:53 |
| d0ugal | I can't even find it now, so I am confused. 1 min | 16:53 |
| mgershen1 | d0ugal: cool | 16:53 |
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| mgershen1 | d0ugal: there is a + icon near it | 16:53 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:55 |
| rakhmerov | can we end the meeting? | 16:55 |
| ddeja | I guess so | 16:55 |
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| mgershen1 | fine by me | 16:56 |
| d0ugal | Yup! | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | thanks for joining! | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | bye | 16:56 |
| d0ugal | hah, I couldn't find it because somebody fixed the bug already \o/ | 16:56 |
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| mgershen1 | bye! | 16:56 |
| ddeja | bye | 16:56 |
| d0ugal | Thanks, bye! | 16:56 |
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| rakhmerov | d0ugal: it might have been me ;) | 16:57 |
| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 16:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:57 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 26 16:57:01 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2016/mistral.2016-09-26-16.02.html | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2016/mistral.2016-09-26-16.02.txt | 16:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2016/mistral.2016-09-26-16.02.log.html | 16:57 |
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| matjazp | #startmeeting training-guides | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 26 17:01:25 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is matjazp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_guides' | 17:01 |
| matjazp | hi all | 17:01 |
| ildikov | o/ | 17:01 |
| matjazp | roll call | 17:01 |
| matjazp | hi ildikov | 17:01 |
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| ildikov | hi matjazp | 17:02 |
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| matjazp | anyone else | 17:03 |
| matjazp | ? | 17:03 |
| matjazp | ok, lets start | 17:03 |
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| matjazp | #link Agenda at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/training-guides-meeting-agenda | 17:04 |
| diablo_rojo | Helo | 17:04 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello | 17:04 |
| matjazp | #topic Review of action items from the previous meeting | 17:04 |
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| matjazp | hey diablo_rojo | 17:05 |
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| matjazp | ianchoi is not here, so we'll skip his action items | 17:05 |
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| matjazp | #action ianychoi creates openstack-dev-sandbox launchpad project | 17:05 |
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| matjazp | ildikov: will ask current status on virtual environment to kmARC? | 17:06 |
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| matjazp | you guys did talk about virt env on Friday, right? | 17:06 |
| ildikov | matjazp: yeap, we talked about it | 17:06 |
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| ildikov | I sent out a meeting minutes to the group, Mark is working on the env, he has memory issues with DevStack now | 17:07 |
| matjazp | do we need to discuss something (I saw your report on mail) | 17:07 |
| ildikov | 4Gbs do not seem to be enough | 17:07 |
| matjazp | yup.. | 17:07 |
| matjazp | my experience with devstack is the same | 17:08 |
| ildikov | if anyone has DevStack experience with Newton we can chat about it a bit, otherwise we can keep it as a reporting item | 17:08 |
| ildikov | ah, I hoped it's just Mark's env :( | 17:08 |
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| matjazp | no, but it depends on the other components you bundle with install (Swift etc) | 17:08 |
| matjazp | is it a problem for trainees? do they have laptops with 4 GB raM? | 17:09 |
| matjazp | what was the status at the last upstream training? many onderpowerd laptops? | 17:10 |
| matjazp | underpowerd | 17:10 |
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| matjazp | and another thing is that if you run it in virt box the performance is so bad that all you can run quickly on it is Cirros | 17:11 |
| diablo_rojo | If the student has a vm with 4gb it will probably be an issue cause devstack is so memory greedy | 17:11 |
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| matjazp | diablo_rojo: yup, 4 GB laptop is a no go | 17:11 |
| matjazp | diablo_rojo: we should put this info on the training pages ... 8 GB minimum? | 17:12 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah something like that. | 17:13 |
| matjazp | plan b is still to use VMs in the cloud | 17:13 |
| diablo_rojo | I think it should go on that page in the things to do before the training session | 17:13 |
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| matjazp | for those that have porblems with HW | 17:13 |
| matjazp | diablo_rojo: +1 | 17:13 |
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| matjazp | ok, we can move to Upstream topic, ok? | 17:14 |
| matjazp | #topic Upstream training | 17:14 |
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| matjazp | a lot of progress since last meeting :) | 17:15 |
| ildikov | sorry, parallel meeting as usual | 17:15 |
| ildikov | so yes, put the info on the page and we have DreamHost offering VMs for the training as a bacup | 17:15 |
| ildikov | I will ask Mark to try to setup an enve there as well to test if he has a chance | 17:15 |
| matjazp | review queue is almost empty. We just have this in it: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/370391/ | 17:15 |
| ildikov | matjazp: yeap, we're getting towards some progress | 17:15 |
| ildikov | I added the current agenda to the main etherpad to show where we are | 17:16 |
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| ildikov | we are planning some additional modules on top of that, will list those later | 17:16 |
| matjazp | #action ildikov asks Mark about testing Devstack in the cloud VMs | 17:16 |
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| matjazp | ildikov: great, nice work | 17:16 |
| diablo_rojo | I will work on 370391 and should have it ready to go in the next day or two | 17:17 |
| diablo_rojo | Question for everyone about that one | 17:17 |
| matjazp | sure, just update it and we'll review it | 17:17 |
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| ildikov | matjazp: I added myself to the release cycle and also I will update the metrics/relevant actors one | 17:18 |
| diablo_rojo | Do we want it to be the second to last module? So before the lego module? | 17:18 |
| ildikov | I have a session about this topic on the conference, so I will do some prep for both that and the training | 17:18 |
| diablo_rojo | Make it 20 instead of 21? | 17:18 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: we will not have Lego this time | 17:18 |
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| ildikov | so what's missing from the agenda on the web page currently is the playing with the code parts | 17:18 |
| ildikov | and in parallel docco and WGs things | 17:19 |
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| diablo_rojo | Right so the module I am adding about setting up and pushing a first patch should get moved to be before the lego module? | 17:19 |
| diablo_rojo | ildikov ^^ | 17:19 |
| ildikov | so after teaching people how the generic contribution flow works we plan to teach them how to start with the code | 17:19 |
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| ildikov | diablo_rojo: I hate we have numbering on the files, so let's have the content and then we can decide on the agenda later | 17:20 |
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| ildikov | but overall before the lego module sounds good | 17:20 |
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| matjazp | if we don't have lego module this year, we can put this in a separate section | 17:21 |
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| matjazp | I wouldn't erase or archive it | 17:21 |
| ildikov | matjazp: yeap, I added a questino to the etherpad already regarding how to archive it | 17:21 |
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| ildikov | by archiving I mean put it into a separate section but still keep it available | 17:22 |
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| ildikov | definitely do not erease it! | 17:22 |
| diablo_rojo | ildikov, I agree. The numbers are going to keep changing so we should just get rid of them and decide the ordering of the slides. | 17:22 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: yeap, my plan exactly :) | 17:22 |
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| diablo_rojo | matjazp, The lego stuff already is its own section, we can just move it to the end and then not cover it in Barcelona | 17:22 |
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| ildikov | diablo_rojo: I think a how to contribute block is there too already, so I would rename that section | 17:23 |
| matjazp | one of the pain points from last training was also that slides were in a separate files - do we need to make one version with all slides in it? | 17:23 |
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| ildikov | diablo_rojo: but overall it's not difficult to do | 17:23 |
| diablo_rojo | ildikov, not hard at all :) | 17:24 |
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| ildikov | matjazp: no, the last training was terrible because we did not prepare for it at all | 17:24 |
| diablo_rojo | Lol | 17:24 |
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| matjazp | ildikov: :) no slide format can fix that ;) | 17:25 |
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| ildikov | matjazp: we are also brainstorming about getting more motion and interaction into the training | 17:25 |
| ildikov | even those parts where we have more lectures | 17:25 |
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| ildikov | we need to teach people how to find info and how to communicate with each other and the community | 17:25 |
| matjazp | that's what exercises need to do | 17:25 |
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| ildikov | so I don't want hours when someone talks to people based on slides and nothing else happens | 17:26 |
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| ildikov | matjazp: exactly, so we are not fixing slide formats :) | 17:26 |
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| ildikov | matjazp: as I mentioned in the meeting minutes I'm looking for ideas for exercises for ALL blocks | 17:26 |
| matjazp | ildikov: if we put some extra exercises at the end of each slide deck, this will fix the "death from powerpoint" issue :) | 17:27 |
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| ildikov | I would like to form groups of 3-5 we will see how many people we will have and get them work together and kind of almost create the slides for themselves | 17:27 |
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| ildikov | at least that's the long term plan and we will see what we achieve for Barcelona | 17:27 |
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| ildikov | matjazp: TBH, I plan to add them at the beginning and not at the end where possible | 17:28 |
| matjazp | ildikov: you're talking about groups of contributors to the upstream training? | 17:28 |
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| matjazp | or trainees? | 17:28 |
| ildikov | start people think about things and then clarify items and give them best practices | 17:28 |
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| ildikov | matjazp: trainees | 17:28 |
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| ildikov | put them into groups and let them solve exercises | 17:29 |
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| matjazp | aha, ok... that makes more sense... since we don't have more than 5 contributors to the upstream training ;) | 17:29 |
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| ildikov | I'm looking for making the training more interesting and avoid people checking facebook in every 5 minutes :) | 17:30 |
| matjazp | ildikov: the problem with this is that some groups will be much faster than others | 17:30 |
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| ildikov | we can figure that out based on the info what we are asking them about | 17:30 |
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| ildikov | and also some competition will not hurt :) | 17:30 |
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| ianychoi-web | Hello! | 17:31 |
| matjazp | we should still have a basic structure and basic time frames for the exercises | 17:31 |
| ildikov | ianychoi-web: hi :) | 17:31 |
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| ildikov | matjazp: so besides upgrading the content we should do that keeping exercises in mind | 17:32 |
| matjazp | and show the solution at the end for groups that didn't finish it | 17:32 |
| ildikov | and the aim of getting people participate | 17:32 |
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| matjazp | hi ianychoi-web | 17:32 |
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| ildikov | matjazp: I would ask the fastest group to share the solution | 17:32 |
| ildikov | and things like that | 17:32 |
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| matjazp | ildikov: ok | 17:33 |
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| ildikov | sometimes the exercise could just simply be to discuss topics and then bring it to the whole group, like the agile parts | 17:33 |
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| ildikov | let them barinstorm in small groups and then bring the ideas to the whole class when they are done and let's see how people see the world and share our points with them if we didn't cover it yet kind of things | 17:34 |
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| matjazp | ildikov: don't forget to put this instructions/suggestions into presenter notes | 17:34 |
| ildikov | I also checked on the initial registration data | 17:34 |
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| ildikov | matjazp: after we have some progress about thinking about the exercises it will go there | 17:35 |
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| ildikov | so based on the data we have 19 people interested mainly in code contribution, 3 in docco, 6 in WGs and UGs and 1 in OSOps | 17:35 |
| matjazp | ildikov: or we can put this into the landing page, under "notes for trainers" or something like that | 17:35 |
| matjazp | ildikov: yup, thats skewed heavily towards developers | 17:36 |
| ildikov | so I'm in contact with WG chairs and the UC chair to get a possible round table discussion like thing | 17:36 |
| ildikov | I'm also trying to get someone from the docco team to get a docco deep dive | 17:36 |
| ildikov | and we are planning a code deep dive regarding how to get to know the code base, etc | 17:37 |
| ildikov | these can run in parallel | 17:37 |
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| matjazp | docco? Is this Docs? | 17:37 |
| ildikov | yes :) | 17:38 |
| matjazp | just checking | 17:38 |
| ildikov | sorry a group of people using it this and the other group in the other way | 17:39 |
| ildikov | :) | 17:39 |
| ildikov | I'm in both | 17:39 |
| ianychoi-web | Hmm, on Austin Lana attended AFAIK.. | 17:39 |
| ildikov | and also 19 people are ineterested in long-term mentoring so far | 17:39 |
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| ildikov | I ping Emily who organises the mentors already | 17:39 |
| matjazp | I don't see how contributing to docs is much different than contributing code | 17:39 |
| ildikov | ianychoi-web: she did, but she cannot come this time sadly :( | 17:39 |
| ianychoi-web | ildikov: T.T | 17:40 |
| matjazp | ildikov: can we put this contact persons on the landing page? | 17:40 |
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| ildikov | matjazp: so for code we will teach people how to add log messages to the code and then restart the service and find the new log entry in the log file | 17:40 |
| matjazp | aha, ok.. but the basic flow is the same | 17:41 |
| matjazp | so maybe we shouldn't differentiate these trainees? | 17:41 |
| ianychoi-web | For documentation, I think explaining writing style would be important: http://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide/writing-style/general-writing-guidelines.html | 17:41 |
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| ildikov | matjazp: for docs it makes no sense, but showing how sphinx and the docs toolchain works does | 17:41 |
| ildikov | ianychoi-web: and writing style as well | 17:42 |
| ildikov | ianychoi-web: +1 | 17:42 |
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| ildikov | matjazp: so when we "differentiate" that's one block and not the whole training | 17:42 |
| ildikov | matjazp: most of the things will be for the whole group | 17:42 |
| ildikov | but I don't want to torture a business development guy if he really comes for instance with code deep dive | 17:43 |
| ildikov | as he will never do that after the training so that's not useful for him | 17:43 |
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| ildikov | but if we can find WG chairs who he can talk to, that is | 17:43 |
| ildikov | just to mention an example | 17:43 |
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| ildikov | matjazp: ianychoi-web: diablo_rojo: makes sense? ^^ | 17:44 |
| matjazp | ildikov: it does | 17:44 |
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| diablo_rojo | Yeah it does | 17:45 |
| ildikov | matjazp: cool, because so far everyone wanted to kill me due to this "differentiation" thing | 17:45 |
| matjazp | ildikov: but in my experience, it's hard to personalize the training in the same room for ppl that have much different needs | 17:45 |
| ianychoi-web | +1 :) | 17:45 |
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| matjazp | ildikov: it all sounds cool, but in practice, thi is hard | 17:46 |
| ildikov | matjazp: but writing code and writing docs is different it's not my invention... :) | 17:46 |
| ildikov | matjazp: that part will be hands-on anyway | 17:46 |
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| ildikov | so no one person talks to the whole group | 17:46 |
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| ildikov | and the trainees will be in groups already | 17:46 |
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| ildikov | so in theory at least it works :) | 17:47 |
| diablo_rojo | In theory it should work :) | 17:47 |
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| matjazp | In theory it should work --- ;) | 17:47 |
| ildikov | thanks for support, lol :D | 17:48 |
| matjazp | youre welcome ;) | 17:48 |
| ildikov | so please add exercise ideas to the etherpad to discuss next steps! | 17:49 |
| matjazp | ok | 17:49 |
| ildikov | also if anyone has bandwidth to check on remaining blocks to update please sign up on the etherpad | 17:49 |
| ildikov | and upload patches! ;) | 17:49 |
| ianychoi-web | And.... I have thought that it would be much better if we have an exercise for writing a patch to Stackalytics for "Company affiliation": https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Stackalytics#Company_affiliation | 17:49 |
| ildikov | ianychoi-web: coolio :) | 17:50 |
| diablo_rojo | Ten min warning | 17:50 |
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| ildikov | diablo_rojo: tnx :) | 17:50 |
| ianychoi-web | And I have created LP: https://launchpad.net/openstack-dev-sandbox | 17:50 |
| matjazp | move on? | 17:50 |
| ianychoi-web | #link https://launchpad.net/openstack-dev-sandbox | 17:50 |
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| ianychoi-web | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/375834/ | 17:51 |
| matjazp | #topic Re-think meeting time slot and try to find an earlier slot that fits with Asia too | 17:51 |
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| ianychoi-web | This patch is related to make a relationship between openstack-dev/sandbox repo and openstack-dev-sandbox launchpad.. | 17:51 |
| matjazp | need to move on | 17:51 |
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| ildikov | let's try to get to the meeting slot discussion to before ending the meeting | 17:52 |
| matjazp | doodle? | 17:52 |
| ildikov | ianychoi-web: thanks for those patches/updates! | 17:52 |
| ianychoi-web | +1 | 17:52 |
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| ianychoi-web | ildikov: please +1 for the gerrit review thanks! | 17:53 |
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| ildikov | ianychoi-web: sure, will do! | 17:53 |
| ildikov | matjazp: Doodle works | 17:53 |
| ildikov | matjazp: I can create a poll | 17:53 |
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| ildikov | would be great to decide before next week | 17:54 |
| matjazp | #action ildikov creates doodle pool for new irc meeting time | 17:54 |
| ildikov | so that it would be less painful to ianychoi-web to join | 17:54 |
| ildikov | and also have my parallel meeting too | 17:54 |
| ianychoi-web | Haha :) | 17:54 |
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| ildikov | did we cover everything? | 17:56 |
| matjazp | i think so | 17:56 |
| ianychoi-web | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367005/ | 17:56 |
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| ianychoi-web | Please also +1 for this review :) | 17:56 |
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| matjazp | thats it for this week? | 17:56 |
| diablo_rojo | I think so | 17:57 |
| matjazp | ok thanks all | 17:57 |
| ianychoi-web | Thank you all! (in Korea, there is a kind of DNS problems, which prevented me from attending..) | 17:57 |
| matjazp | #endmeeting | 17:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 26 17:58:09 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2016/training_guides.2016-09-26-17.01.html | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2016/training_guides.2016-09-26-17.01.txt | 17:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2016/training_guides.2016-09-26-17.01.log.html | 17:58 |
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| ildikov | thanks all! | 17:58 |
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| ryanpetrello | #startmeeting astara | 18:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 26 18:03:15 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ryanpetrello. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:03 |
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| ryanpetrello | o/ rods markmcclain adam_g` | 18:03 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 18:03 |
| ryanpetrello | only item I have on the docket is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/376609, which I'm sure most of you know about now | 18:03 |
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| markmcclain | yeah that's the only item I had | 18:04 |
| markmcclain | I think this is also the last official meeting for the project | 18:05 |
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| ryanpetrello | okay, then :/ | 18:20 |
| ryanpetrello | thanks, everyone! | 18:20 |
| ryanpetrello | #endmeeting | 18:20 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 26 18:20:30 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:20 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/astara/2016/astara.2016-09-26-18.03.html | 18:20 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/astara/2016/astara.2016-09-26-18.03.txt | 18:20 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/astara/2016/astara.2016-09-26-18.03.log.html | 18:20 |
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| anteaya | ryanpetrello: markmcclain someone offering up a patch to irc-meetings to free up the space? | 19:38 |
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| zigo | ping IgorYozhikov zigo tlbr mordred jamespage ddellav coreycb zul onovy strigazi | 20:06 |
| tlbr | o/ | 20:07 |
| onovy | o/ | 20:07 |
| zigo | #startmeeting deb_packaging | 20:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 26 20:07:14 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zigo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:07 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'deb_packaging' | 20:07 |
| zigo | Sorry for being late. | 20:07 |
| tlbr | o/ | 20:07 |
| zigo | #chair onovy zigo tlbr | 20:07 |
| openstack | Current chairs: onovy tlbr zigo | 20:07 |
| zigo | #topic project status | 20:08 |
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| zigo | so, we have everything up to rc1, but Horizon. | 20:08 |
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| zigo | libjs-tv4 has been accepted by Debian FTP masters, so we can finally start the Horizon packaging. | 20:08 |
| tlbr | great | 20:08 |
| zigo | Ironic & Ironic-client also needs update to 6.2.0 and 4.2.0 respectively. | 20:09 |
| zigo | Then we need to figure out how to run tempest stuff... | 20:09 |
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| zigo | fungi: clarkb: pabelanger: mordred: Any of you here? We'd need some advice. | 20:10 |
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| zigo | Nop, never mind. | 20:10 |
| zigo | onovy: tlbr: Any idea how we shall start running tempest in infra? | 20:10 |
| zigo | Maybe a periodic job? | 20:11 |
| tlbr | is it hard to setup on OS infra ? | 20:11 |
| zigo | I'm not sure yet. | 20:11 |
| onovy | periodic job sounds good | 20:11 |
| tlbr | ok, so we need help of infra-guys | 20:11 |
| zigo | My idea was that, once we got the tempest stuff in, and Newton is finally released and uploaded to Sid, we should run it as a check job for any packaging change. | 20:12 |
| zigo | Not yet right now though, as it may be too long to run. | 20:12 |
| fungi | i'm around, just busy | 20:12 |
| onovy | yep | 20:13 |
| zigo | fungi: We were wondering how we could setup a tempest validation script for packaging. | 20:13 |
| zigo | fungi: We have that already written, we just need to figure out how to set it up on infra. | 20:13 |
| fungi | the obvious choice is to run tempest against each proposed patch to your packaging repos | 20:13 |
| onovy | which will took ages to finish | 20:14 |
| onovy | for example i send ~ 200 patches today | 20:14 |
| zigo | fungi: Yeah, but maybe do that only once Newton is finally released, so we kind of "lock" things, without too much disturbance when we work on the release. | 20:14 |
| onovy | i don;t want tempest for each one :] | 20:14 |
| zigo | onovy: But once we have everything released, that's fine for you, no? | 20:14 |
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| onovy | zigo: not sure. tempest takes long time to finish | 20:14 |
| fungi | i'm assuming that would have to: 1. build a package with the prospective change checked out and applied, 2. install that package along with the already official packages, 3. start tempest and report the results | 20:14 |
| zigo | fungi: Yes, something like that. | 20:15 |
| fungi | also depends on whether you run all tempest tests or just a subset (smoke for example) | 20:15 |
| onovy | it will slow down release process of package | 20:15 |
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| onovy | but it will higher quality :) | 20:15 |
| zigo | fungi: One of my fear is the mac filter in the nodes. | 20:15 |
| zigo | fungi: My current setup uses a bridge, and then we get the MAC of that bridge instead of the eth0. | 20:16 |
| zigo | fungi: Will it be a problem? | 20:16 |
| fungi | i mean, our ci is designed to test proposed changes and find bugs before you merge them. it has less efficient solutions for finding bugs after merging and reporting those | 20:16 |
| onovy | so let's do it same | 20:16 |
| onovy | but we have some lock-in problems | 20:17 |
| zigo | I had the MAC filter issue on the Mirantis OpenStack deployment we have (accessed through the Mirantis VPN, very private...). | 20:17 |
| onovy | example: we can't update lib and python wrapper around it at same time | 20:17 |
| onovy | but we need to | 20:17 |
| fungi | zigo: i don't know exactly what bridge issues you're describing, but we strongly suggest jobs don't rely on the system-provided network interfaces directly and instead use an abstraction you can control | 20:17 |
| zigo | fungi: What do you mean? | 20:17 |
| fungi | don't rely on being able to do things that communicate outside the test node | 20:18 |
| fungi | the job should be entirely encapsulated within the node (or multinode group) on which the job is initiated | 20:18 |
| onovy | we are running single node tempest i think | 20:18 |
| fungi | and if it needs to test network connections to things, it should do them over a loopback or similar local connection to another local process | 20:19 |
| zigo | fungi: Ok, got you, though our script used to be controled over ssh, so we'll have to fix that. | 20:19 |
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| zigo | It shouldn't be so hard, and yeah, I didn't think about that bit that we don't really care outside connectivity in the case of infra. | 20:19 |
| fungi | right, the job launcher will ssh in and run a script that initiates your job, and collect results/artifacts over rsync+ssh | 20:20 |
| zigo | fungi: How can I start a test stuff then? | 20:20 |
| zigo | Oh... | 20:20 |
| fungi | but everything else needs to try to stay local to the machine | 20:20 |
| zigo | But what if ssh / rsync fails with no connectivity? | 20:20 |
| zigo | So, same issue then. | 20:20 |
| zigo | Anyway, I guess best is to just try. | 20:21 |
| fungi | it streams stdout of teh main job process continuously, so you'll at least hopefully get a console log with output up to the point where the job node became unreachable | 20:21 |
| zigo | fungi: All the sources are currently located within "openstack-meta-packages", maybe I can start it as a non-voting check for this package? | 20:21 |
| fungi | seems reasonable | 20:21 |
| zigo | (then slowly fix things there...) | 20:21 |
| zigo | fungi: Ok, thanks for your help, moving on then. | 20:22 |
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| fungi | i don't know how feasible it is, but if you can use devstack to deploy a system with your packages then that might be the easiest solution | 20:22 |
| fungi | anyway, yes doesn't need to be designed in your meeting. find us in the infra channel | 20:23 |
| zigo | fungi: I have designed everything already, nothing much to rewrite. | 20:23 |
| fungi | great | 20:23 |
| zigo | fungi: The only thing that needs to rewrite is how to be smart when calling the scripts. | 20:23 |
| zigo | fungi: It used to run on a bare metal node... | 20:23 |
| zigo | fungi: Oh, that's another question ! | 20:23 |
| zigo | fungi: 8GB of RAM may be a bit short for installing everything and running tempest... | 20:24 |
| zigo | fungi: Or is that enough?!? | 20:24 |
| zigo | I used to run with 32 GB on a real bare metal node. | 20:24 |
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| fungi | depends on what "everything" is | 20:25 |
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| fungi | i mean, we do limit the default service list we run for most devstack+tempest jobs | 20:25 |
| zigo | fungi: Nova, Neutron, Cinder, Glance, Swift, Keystone, Horizon ... | 20:25 |
| zigo | (at least) | 20:25 |
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| zigo | Ceilometer too. | 20:25 |
| fungi | but use existing devstack+tempest jobs for a guideline as to what we're able to run within 8gb, at least | 20:26 |
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| zigo | fungi: I think I'll just try, and see how it goes. If I make sure to reduce the amount of thread per servers, that should be fine, normally. | 20:27 |
| fungi | yep, i encourage the scientific method there | 20:27 |
| zigo | :) | 20:27 |
| zigo | #action Zigo to add a non-voting job to deb-openstack-meta-packages to start tempest tests. | 20:28 |
| zigo | #topic unit test re-enabling | 20:28 |
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| zigo | Has anyone worked on that? | 20:28 |
| zigo | tlbr: ? | 20:28 |
| tlbr | nope | 20:29 |
| zigo | There's not so many remaining. | 20:29 |
| onovy | yep | 20:29 |
| onovy | i done in swiftclient | 20:29 |
| zigo | testtools, traceback2, reno are the only one remaining. | 20:29 |
| onovy | btw: i created section in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-deb-packaging which is progress of my packages. for anyone interested :] | 20:29 |
| zigo | onovy: Do you want to do them? | 20:29 |
| onovy | testtools,...? no :) | 20:30 |
| onovy | really i just pushed ~200 patches and many of them failed | 20:30 |
| zigo | Failed, how? | 20:30 |
| zigo | With failed downloads? | 20:30 |
| onovy | missing deps, etc. | 20:30 |
| zigo | Oh... | 20:31 |
| zigo | Got to fix that then. | 20:31 |
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| zigo | #topic onovy mass commits | 20:32 |
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| zigo | onovy: Another thing is that I don't think it's very nice to push so many patches at just once... | 20:32 |
| zigo | Then it becomes very hard to push patches. | 20:32 |
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| onovy | why very hard? | 20:32 |
| zigo | onovy: Could you imagine something that would push in a slower pace? | 20:32 |
| zigo | onovy: Let's say I add libjs-tv4 to the auto-backports, then it will take forever to do its POST job. | 20:33 |
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| onovy | right. so it's not about pushing, but reviewing | 20:33 |
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| zigo | Well, yeah ... | 20:34 |
| zigo | onovy: Anyway, it's a *very* good thing to do such a mass rebuild of everything. | 20:34 |
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| onovy | we should have better solution to rebuild everything - without commit/review ;] | 20:34 |
| zigo | onovy: It will prevent "Luca Neusbaum" kind of bugs getting in the BTS ! :) | 20:34 |
| onovy | and we should rebuild periodicaly | 20:35 |
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| zigo | onovy: How would you get the feedback then? | 20:35 |
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| onovy | you can get feedback from periodic job | 20:36 |
| zigo | How? | 20:36 |
| onovy | email? | 20:36 |
| zigo | No idea ! :) | 20:36 |
| zigo | I'm asking ... :P | 20:36 |
| onovy | email, autobug create | 20:36 |
| zigo | ok | 20:36 |
| * zigo recieves a fair amount of robot spam already ... | 20:37 | |
| zigo | :P | 20:37 |
| zigo | #topic open discussion | 20:37 |
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| zigo | Anything else you guys wana talk about? | 20:37 |
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| onovy | i think everyone should go throu review list | 20:38 |
| onovy | and fix -1 | 20:38 |
| onovy | or abadon | 20:38 |
| onovy | we should clean it up | 20:38 |
| zigo | Yeah, I'll do that. | 20:38 |
| onovy | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/projects:openstack/deb-+AND+is:open | 20:38 |
| zigo | Some are obvious. | 20:38 |
| onovy | this link will help | 20:38 |
| zigo | Like the glance-store one (ie: add enum34 as build-depends) | 20:38 |
| onovy | anyone else? :) | 20:38 |
| zigo | I'll do some of them for sure. | 20:39 |
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| zigo | I just wonder how it could have been built the first time though. | 20:39 |
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| onovy | maybe i wasn't build first time | 20:39 |
| onovy | it | 20:39 |
| zigo | Some didn't indeed. | 20:40 |
| zigo | Like the Horizon plugins. | 20:40 |
| zigo | Some others did, like glance-store. | 20:40 |
| onovy | there was package which didn't have any reviews at all | 20:40 |
| zigo | I didn't look deep enough yet to be able to tell. | 20:40 |
| onovy | so nobody tried to build it | 20:40 |
| zigo | Right. | 20:40 |
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| zigo | There's that as well indeed. | 20:40 |
| zigo | #action zigo & onovy to check on the mass commit FTBFS | 20:41 |
| onovy | and tlbr ? :] | 20:41 |
| zigo | He's watching a series ? :P | 20:42 |
| zigo | It's too late for Moscow, I guess. | 20:42 |
| zigo | Maybe we should put the meeting time earlier. | 20:42 |
| tlbr | i'm here | 20:42 |
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| zigo | Oh! :) | 20:42 |
| zigo | tlbr: Will you try to fix some failed to build in the mass-commit of onovy? | 20:43 |
| zigo | tlbr: Do you have time for that, or do you prefer working on the Horizon packaging maybe? | 20:43 |
| tlbr | zigo, ok, i can do that tomorrow if that is ok ? | 20:43 |
| onovy | cool, thanks | 20:43 |
| zigo | tlbr: I don't think we'll be done in a single day. | 20:43 |
| tlbr | yes, I've just finished working on tenacity | 20:43 |
| zigo | #action tlbr to also check on the mass commit FTBFS | 20:43 |
| tlbr | zigo, ok then | 20:43 |
| zigo | tlbr: onovy: Anything else you guys wana talk about? | 20:44 |
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| onovy | i need to remove python-eventlet from backports | 20:44 |
| zigo | Oh. | 20:44 |
| zigo | onovy: Ask pabelanger about it. | 20:44 |
| zigo | onovy: In #openstack-infra | 20:44 |
| onovy | zigo: let's talk about it outside of meeting | 20:44 |
| zigo | Ok. | 20:45 |
| zigo | We're done then. | 20:45 |
| zigo | #endmeeting | 20:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 26 20:45:12 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/deb_packaging/2016/deb_packaging.2016-09-26-20.07.html | 20:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/deb_packaging/2016/deb_packaging.2016-09-26-20.07.txt | 20:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/deb_packaging/2016/deb_packaging.2016-09-26-20.07.log.html | 20:45 |
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| manjeets | o/ | 21:00 |
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| armax | hello | 21:00 |
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| armax | it looks like I either got the day/time wrong, or everyone is at the beach | 21:01 |
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| manjeets | oh really | 21:01 |
| manjeets | I thought I made it today | 21:01 |
| armax | manjeets: I am saying you and I are the only ones on time | 21:02 |
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| manjeets | ok gotcha | 21:02 |
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| manjeets | I think we got it wrong | 21:04 |
| manjeets | my calender says its 2pm on next monday | 21:04 |
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| armax | you’re right | 21:06 |
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| armax | oh well good | 21:06 |
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| * dfflanders does love an irc meeting in the morning over a cup o green tea ;-) #relaxingstarttotheday# | 21:59 | |
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| Patifa | morning dfflanders | 21:59 |
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| Patifa | at least it's not Monday for you ;) | 22:00 |
| csterret_ | Hi | 22:00 |
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| Patifa | its time! | 22:00 |
| Patifa | #startmeeting app_ecosystem_wg | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 26 22:00:33 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Patifa. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: app_ecosystem_wg)" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'app_ecosystem_wg' | 22:00 |
| Patifa | Hello all | 22:00 |
| Patifa | Agenda can be found on our etherpad | 22:00 |
| Patifa | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/2016_Sep_26_App_Ecosystem_Workgroup | 22:01 |
| docaedo | hello! | 22:01 |
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| Patifa | let's get started! | 22:01 |
| vhdiaz | hey Zuup! | 22:01 |
| Patifa | #topic rollcall | 22:01 |
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| docaedo | o/ | 22:01 |
| calebb | o/ | 22:01 |
| csterret_ | o/ | 22:01 |
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| Patifa | dfflanders must have fallen asleep on top of his tea ;D | 22:02 |
| dfflanders | que pasa way yo | 22:02 |
| Patifa | #topic WG Chair | 22:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "WG Chair (Meeting topic: app_ecosystem_wg)" | 22:03 | |
| * dfflanders tea sleep mmmmmmm | 22:03 | |
| Patifa | First item of the day is voting for the new chair. | 22:03 |
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| Patifa | We have Chris Aedo and Maria Bracho as our candidates | 22:03 |
| docaedo | chairs! I vote for both nominees, plus Patifa who has been crushing it at leadership and organization | 22:04 |
| Patifa | I planned to open voting at the begining of this meeting and close it at the end... so we give folks that joined later time too. | 22:04 |
| Patifa | Does that sound good? | 22:05 |
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| docaedo | works for me | 22:05 |
| Patifa | Has anyone ever used voting on IRC... will this plan work? | 22:05 |
| dfflanders | should work with meeting bot? | 22:05 |
| docaedo | Should but I don't know the format (i.e. how to set it up so it tallies the votes for us) | 22:06 |
| * Patifa didn't test | 22:06 | |
| Patifa | #startvote Should we vote now? Chris Aedo, Maria Bracho | 22:06 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Should we vote now? Valid vote options are Chris, Aedo, Maria, Bracho. | 22:06 |
| docaedo | but also we have the IRC log anyway, so we probably don't need to be overly formal with this | 22:06 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 22:06 |
| Patifa | hahah.. that didn't work.. we have 4 candidates | 22:06 |
| Patifa | hahah | 22:06 |
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| Patifa | #endvote | 22:06 |
| openstack | Voted on "Should we vote now?" Results are | 22:06 |
| docaedo | who are the four candidates? | 22:07 |
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| Patifa | #startvote Should we vote now? Chris, Maria | 22:07 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Should we vote now? Valid vote options are Chris, Maria. | 22:07 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 22:07 |
| dfflanders | #vote both | 22:07 |
| openstack | dfflanders: both is not a valid option. Valid options are Chris, Maria. | 22:07 |
| dfflanders | #vote Chris, Maria | 22:08 |
| openstack | dfflanders: Chris, Maria is not a valid option. Valid options are Chris, Maria. | 22:08 |
| docaedo | also are we limiting the working group to two chairs only? because I think we could handle having three chairs and still effectively be an awesome working group | 22:08 |
| docaedo | #vote all of them | 22:08 |
| openstack | docaedo: all of them is not a valid option. Valid options are Chris, Maria. | 22:08 |
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| * docaedo just likes making meetingbot scold him | 22:08 | |
| vhdiaz | :) | 22:08 |
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| dfflanders | so the vote is in the open yes | 22:08 |
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| dfflanders | ?> | 22:08 |
| * dfflanders loves new bot toys :) | 22:08 | |
| Patifa | Do we want to do it some other way? | 22:09 |
| Patifa | +1 on etherpad? | 22:09 |
| dfflanders | Maybe we should discuss having three chairs? | 22:09 |
| csterret_ | maybe | 22:09 |
| Patifa | That's is a nice idea.. do we have Maria here today? | 22:10 |
| dfflanders | Is Maria on the chanel? | 22:10 |
| dfflanders | Not sure she has done Upstream University training for getting IRC going... | 22:10 |
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| Patifa | Ok... so should I just close this vote and start one about 3 chairs? | 22:11 |
| dfflanders | I think we should do the vote, for the sake of following the democratic process, however if docaedo is voted in, then we can always hold another meeting to add a third chair if valid... | 22:11 |
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| csterret_ | #vote Chris | 22:12 |
| Patifa | #showvote | 22:12 |
| openstack | Chris (1): csterret_ | 22:12 |
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| Patifa | it works | 22:12 |
| docaedo | #vote chris | 22:12 |
| leong | #vote chris | 22:12 |
| Patifa | #vote chris | 22:12 |
| docaedo | +1 for dfflanders plan (as always!) | 22:13 |
| dfflanders | being a foundation staff i must abstain, as I loves you all. | 22:13 |
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| Patifa | ok... let's continue on and I'll remind you to continue voting later.. I'll close at 3:55 | 22:13 |
| calebb | #vote chris | 22:14 |
| dfflanders | +1 | 22:14 |
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| Patifa | #topic Barcelona - Time to plan | 22:14 |
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| Patifa | We only have 4 meetings until the summit and we need to start planning. I wanted to define the agenda items for the upcoming meetings to ensure we cover everything that needs to be planned before the summit. | 22:14 |
| leong | i think 2 chairs are sufficient for a working group.. what's the rationale of having 3 chairs... | 22:14 |
| dfflanders | aside calebb you going to be in Barcelona? | 22:14 |
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| dfflanders | leong, discussion at end of meeting during open agenda items? | 22:15 |
| dfflanders | (after vote ends) | 22:15 |
| docaedo | leong dfflanders agreed, let's discuss at the end if we have time | 22:15 |
| leong | sure.. pls move ahead on the agenda..:) | 22:15 |
| dfflanders | +1 | 22:15 |
| Patifa | back to Barcelona: Besides our WG Meeting and the BoF session, is there anything else that needs planning? | 22:15 |
| calebb | dfflanders: yes | 22:16 |
| dfflanders | I've got some additional social activities | 22:16 |
| dfflanders | on the Monday night, during the booth crawl, hoping all App peoples will come hang out at the cloud app labs lounge | 22:16 |
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| dfflanders | email forthcoming via user-committee mailing list, many of you should have already been forewarned via email :) | 22:17 |
| Patifa | Monday is my birthday.. ;) hint hint | 22:17 |
| dfflanders | perfect! | 22:17 |
| docaedo | Patifa: Monday at the summit? I'll pack a cake! | 22:17 |
| Patifa | docaedo yep! | 22:17 |
| vhdiaz | yuju!!! | 22:18 |
| * dfflanders mmmmmmmm cake | 22:18 | |
| Patifa | But before cake we should start working on what we're doing there... I propose we use the IRC meetings to collect the topics and the call meetings to work on the details. | 22:18 |
| dfflanders | +1 | 22:18 |
| * docaedo ponders bigger suitcase, or hatbox for transatlantic flight with cake... | 22:18 | |
| docaedo | +1 on using IRC meetings | 22:18 |
| docaedo | Is there an existing etherpad for planning as well? | 22:18 |
| Patifa | That way we work on the BoF session this week and next.. and the WG meeting the following two weeks | 22:18 |
| Patifa | sure! | 22:19 |
| Patifa | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/AppEcoSystem_WG_Barcelona_BoF | 22:19 |
| dfflanders | +1 etherpad working agenda for both BoF and session. | 22:19 |
| dfflanders | Also is there a pre meeting for chairs, i.e. when is everyone arriving, as having a breakfast meeting to finalise agenda is always good practice. | 22:19 |
| dfflanders | breakfast meeting the weekend before? Sun or Mon? | 22:20 |
| Patifa | great! I'm counting this as part of the WG meeting planning | 22:20 |
| dfflanders | copy that | 22:20 |
| Patifa | Mon for me | 22:20 |
| vhdiaz | I am arriving monday afternoon | 22:20 |
| Patifa | lets get started with BoF planning than | 22:20 |
| Patifa | #topic Barcelona - BoF session | 22:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Barcelona - BoF session (Meeting topic: app_ecosystem_wg)" | 22:21 | |
| Patifa | We’re approved! Wed 26 | 11:25am-12:05pm | 22:21 |
| Patifa | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/16211/app-ecosystem-work-group-bof-session | 22:21 |
| Patifa | Please plan to attend! Follow the link and add to your agenda | 22:21 |
| Patifa | And back to the planning etherpad | 22:21 |
| Patifa | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/AppEcoSystem_WG_Barcelona_BoF | 22:21 |
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| Patifa | On the etherpad we have a link for the prezo we used in Austin | 22:22 |
| Patifa | and I pulled the topics and updated the list.. | 22:22 |
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| Patifa | First thing I wanted to know is the format... does a presentation for who ever shows up sound good for everyone? | 22:24 |
| vhdiaz | yes | 22:24 |
| vhdiaz | mission, vision, things we do, etc | 22:24 |
| dfflanders | The aim of the bof is to attract new members? | 22:24 |
| Patifa | yep | 22:25 |
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| dfflanders | yes a pitch is a good idea then | 22:25 |
| vhdiaz | we can speak hackathon :) | 22:25 |
| dfflanders | though the BoF should include some clear expectations for membership participation | 22:25 |
| dfflanders | biggest problem at Summits is having people come along who contribute to the meeting and then don't follow up by attending... | 22:26 |
| Patifa | agree dfflanders | 22:26 |
| Patifa | this is a topic for the WG meeting too, then | 22:26 |
| dfflanders | we have so little time it needs to be made clear that the fishbowl setup is intentional with the most active members being closest to the centre of the room where the chairs are sitting. | 22:27 |
| Patifa | at the WG meeting? what fishbowl setting? | 22:28 |
| Patifa | are you jumping ahead and talking about the WG meeting?? :) | 22:28 |
| docaedo | fishbowl is having chairs arranged in a semi-circle usually around a screen | 22:28 |
| docaedo | supposed to encourage conversation, instead of making it a lecture setting | 22:29 |
| dfflanders | +1 | 22:29 |
| vhdiaz | +1 | 22:29 |
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| dfflanders | chairs should drive conversation (agenda), members should jump in where appropriate. | 22:29 |
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| * Patifa confused | 22:30 | |
| dfflanders | hence pre-meeting by chairs to have a clear agenda (ways forward for next cycle) including objectives and outputs for Boston. | 22:30 |
| Patifa | fishbowl for the WG meeting seems good for me | 22:30 |
| Patifa | but we were talking BoF... | 22:31 |
| dfflanders | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishbowl_(conversation) | 22:31 |
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| dfflanders | duly noted re BoF planning first :) | 22:32 |
| dfflanders | BoF = chairs pitching any new members to join, yes? | 22:32 |
| Patifa | So.. topics for the BoF session in Barcelona... | 22:32 |
| Patifa | dfflanders yep | 22:32 |
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| Patifa | what topics do we want on the pitch? I guess we can +1 the etherpad | 22:33 |
| dfflanders | BoF = High level overview of the WG, its scope, remit and activities... + clear expectations for what kind of commitment is expected of members. | 22:33 |
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| dfflanders | what are some highlights from what this group has produced/achieved which we could highlight = pragmatics? | 22:34 |
| dfflanders | SDKs... Hackthons... usability report... | 22:35 |
| dfflanders | trainings... | 22:35 |
| dfflanders | overviews and cohesion between different WGs <-- aspirational? | 22:36 |
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| Patifa | cohesion between WGs might be doable since our BoF is on Wed and the WGs meeting is on Tuesday | 22:37 |
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| * Patifa added all suggestions to etherpad | 22:37 | |
| Patifa | Anything else? | 22:37 |
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| Patifa | Any volunteers to work on the presentation for next week? | 22:38 |
| Patifa | So we can review it on the call meeting? | 22:38 |
| Patifa | (I'd volunteer but I'm living on a recurring Monday for the past few weeks) | 22:39 |
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| Patifa | going once.. | 22:40 |
| docaedo | I would volunteer but I want to wait for the election results, so I can opt out if I lose ;) | 22:40 |
| docaedo | kidding - I can volunteer | 22:40 |
| Patifa | #action docaedo to work on BoF prezo for next week | 22:40 |
| docaedo | #action docaedo to take first pass as creating presentation for Barcelon fishbowl session, by next weeks meeting | 22:41 |
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| docaedo | (hahaha) | 22:41 |
| Patifa | there you go.. two actions for you ;) | 22:41 |
| vhdiaz | haha | 22:41 |
| dfflanders | suggestion: might be good to just use the wiki page on the AppEco to do most of the presenting from? <-- also a chance to clean up prior to proceedings. | 22:41 |
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| docaedo | +1 to that | 22:42 |
| Patifa | +1 | 22:42 |
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| Patifa | Next topic? | 22:42 |
| dfflanders | +1 | 22:42 |
| Patifa | #topic Barcelona - OpenStack Academy - Cloud App Lounge | 22:42 |
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| Patifa | Flanders were you able to send out the recruiting form for volunteers | 22:42 |
| Patifa | Anyone else wants to volunteer for “lab duty”? | 22:42 |
| dfflanders | I've started sending out individual emails, two or three per day. | 22:43 |
| Patifa | how's the response? | 22:43 |
| dfflanders | Though yes, please re making the 'cloud app lab' lounge in the marketplace (expo hall) your home base to hang out and chat with likeminded app dev folk | 22:43 |
| docaedo | I will definitely spend some time on lab duty, but I still have to figure out my schedule so don't know where I've got gaps | 22:44 |
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| dfflanders | it is good people are excited, everyone wants cloud apps, they just don't know what the skills are to get started... | 22:44 |
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| dfflanders | docaedo, no worries, that is where most people will be at, I just want to make sure n00bs can get help and meet someone from the community where possible #recruitment | 22:45 |
| Patifa | Interesting. Anything you want us to help you with.. besides hanging around for my bday party? | 22:45 |
| Patifa | (I'm good with having cake everynight) | 22:46 |
| dfflanders | Anyone who wants to contribute a lab challenge is most welcome... though more on this via user-committee mailing list today. | 22:46 |
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| dfflanders | https://github.com/DFFlanders/cloud-app-labs | 22:46 |
| dfflanders | Bruno and I are just working on one re basic heat templating with shade. | 22:47 |
| Patifa | Great! | 22:47 |
| dfflanders | cross datacentre cloud app self healing :) | 22:47 |
| * dfflanders I digress | 22:47 | |
| dfflanders | soz | 22:47 |
| Patifa | #topic Barcelona - Dev Cheat Sheet - How to attract AppDevs to summit | 22:47 |
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| Patifa | moving on... | 22:48 |
| docaedo | sounds magical though (that cross datacenter self healing cloud app) | 22:48 |
| dfflanders | "cloud native" ;-) | 22:48 |
| Patifa | dfflanders I talked to Patricia Dugan in Walmart and she wants to help with the SU article | 22:49 |
| dfflanders | FTW! | 22:49 |
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| Patifa | But that is all that I was able to do last week... :( | 22:50 |
| dfflanders | I've got an email in draft re 'cloud app social events' for the UC ML to get things going on that front as well. | 22:51 |
| dfflanders | I've got an email in draft re 'cloud app social events' for the UC ML to get things going on that front as well. | 22:51 |
| dfflanders | The key question for a cheatSheet/newsletter for Cloud App folk is where do they get their news from? | 22:52 |
| dfflanders | Reddit, Register, Twitter...? | 22:52 |
| dfflanders | If we put this CheatSheet out to try and attract any EU Cloud AppEng during the last couple of weeks build up to the summit, where should that post be syndicated to? | 22:53 |
| Patifa | when are you sending the email? | 22:54 |
| dfflanders | in addition it will naturally work as a nice way to know which planes the cloud app community will be roaming during on accross the summit's savanahs | 22:54 |
| docaedo | What I've heard from all my dev friends is that they're language or platform specific (i.e. python, go, cloud foundry, etc.), I have not been able to turn up an analogous example of a community where it's something like "GCE Devs" | 22:54 |
| dfflanders | planes=plains | 22:54 |
| dfflanders | doh | 22:54 |
| reed | news come from hacker news only :) | 22:54 |
| reed | "if it wasn't on HN it wasn't worth it" | 22:55 |
| dfflanders | noice | 22:55 |
| Patifa | ok... 5 min reminder | 22:55 |
| Patifa | #showvote | 22:55 |
| openstack | Chris (5): leong, calebb, docaedo, csterret_, Patifa | 22:55 |
| reed | that's where hipsters hang out | 22:55 |
| Patifa | those who still need/want to vote the options are Chris and Maria. | 22:57 |
| dfflanders | #action Flanders and Patricia to push forward conversation re CheatSheet on UC ML | 22:57 |
| docaedo | reed: yeah true - would be interesting to see if it got positive traction (it being some announcement around OpenStack folks trying to attract developers) | 22:57 |
| reed | ads on reddit work very well too | 22:57 |
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| dfflanders | +1 | 22:57 |
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| Patifa | We're almost out of time.. | 22:58 |
| dfflanders | where else do you'll get your news? chris, craig, vince? | 22:58 |
| docaedo | goodness time does fly | 22:58 |
| dfflanders | aok | 22:58 |
| Patifa | I don't think we have time to move to the next topic | 22:58 |
| reed | docaedo, some announcements may not get lots of tractions, but a solid, constant, coordinated push will work in the medium term | 22:58 |
| Patifa | #endvote | 22:59 |
| openstack | Voted on "Should we vote now?" Results are | 22:59 |
| openstack | Chris (5): leong, calebb, docaedo, csterret_, Patifa | 22:59 |
| docaedo | yeah we are out of time just when we were hitting an interesting subject for debate! | 22:59 |
| dfflanders | always the case ;-) | 22:59 |
| * docaedo wins! | 22:59 | |
| Patifa | I know.. it's always the case | 22:59 |
| reed | email works too :) | 22:59 |
| Patifa | yay! | 22:59 |
| dfflanders | congratulations docaedo | 22:59 |
| dfflanders | ! | 22:59 |
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| docaedo | woooo! | 22:59 |
| leong | congrad docaeco! | 22:59 |
| docaedo | as my first order of official business, I will suggest we end this meeting | 23:00 |
| leong | +1 | 23:00 |
| Patifa | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 23:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 26 23:00:10 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_ecosystem_wg/2016/app_ecosystem_wg.2016-09-26-22.00.html | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_ecosystem_wg/2016/app_ecosystem_wg.2016-09-26-22.00.txt | 23:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_ecosystem_wg/2016/app_ecosystem_wg.2016-09-26-22.00.log.html | 23:00 |
| dfflanders | I think this is going to be a very good pairing for co-chairs. | 23:00 |
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| dfflanders | see you'll on the mailing list | 23:00 |
| dfflanders | bye | 23:00 |
| csterret_ | bye | 23:00 |
| docaedo | thanks everyone! | 23:00 |
| docaedo | thanks everyone! | 23:00 |
| Patifa | bye! tks everyone! | 23:01 |
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