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aspiers#startmeeting ha09:06
openstackMeeting started Mon Oct 10 09:06:30 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is aspiers. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.09:06
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ha'09:06
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aspierslooks like it's just the two of us today, so we can keep it short09:07
aspiers#topic specs09:07
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aspiersI've started work on the host monitoring one09:07
aspiersand I should be able to submit it for review pretty soon, hopefully today09:07
ddejaI've starting the VM recovery, but I'm doing two specs in pararell (another one is for mistral project)09:08
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aspiersyou mean host recovery, right?09:08
ddejabut I have to finish both this week, so I'll do it09:09
aspierslines 125+ of
ddejayup, host recovery09:10
ddejasorry, still didn't wake up  ;)09:10
aspiersnp ;-)09:11
aspiersafter VM recovery I will do the libvirtd / nova-compute specs09:12
aspiershopefully samP is working on the VM recovery spec09:12
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aspiersany other topics?09:13
ddejaI have one info09:13
ddejaI'm not going to Barcelona09:13
aspiers:-( :'(09:13
aspiershopefully we can figure out a way for you to attend virtually09:14
ddejaI'll finish specs so you guys would have something to discuss about. And maybe someone from my team would be able to join, but I'm not sure09:14
aspiers#topic Barcelona09:15
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aspiers#info ddeja won't be going09:15
aspiersmaybe we could set up some VoIP if there are meetings where we really need your input09:15
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ddejasure - it is the same TZ, so I'll be in office09:16
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aspiersOK, nothing else to discuss I guess?09:18
ddejanothing from my side09:19
aspiersOK then09:19
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aspiersI will include you as a reviewer for the specs, of course09:19
aspiersso see you on gerrit soon :)09:19
ddejaI'll do same for my spec09:19
ddejathank you09:20
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openstackMeeting ended Mon Oct 10 09:21:44 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at . (v 0.1.4)09:21
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andreykurilin#startmeeting Rally14:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Oct 10 14:00:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is andreykurilin. Information about MeetBot at
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andreykurilinhi all14:00
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andreykurilin#topic * [amaretskiy] Let's discuss term "scenario" - should this term be replaced completely by "workload" or maybe we can give it specific meaning?14:02
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amaretskiywe have new terminology update recently14:03
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amaretskiyaccording to this update, term scenario is replaced with "workload"14:03
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amaretskiyso something is still unclear - why get rid of word "scenario" completely &14:03
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amaretskiythis word sounds great and is used intuitively14:04
andreykurilinI like term scenario:)14:04
rvasiletsI call scenario - python code that is in run()14:04
amaretskiyi like too14:04
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amaretskiyso maybe find a place for this term, as well as for workload?14:04
andreykurilinlet's say "scenario" is a one iteration or python-code of workload14:05
amaretskiyrun() body == "scenario"14:05
amaretskiythis is not clear14:05
andreykurilinwe should not align our terms to names of methods in code14:05
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amaretskiyhow about class rally.task.scenario.Scenario - do we plan rename it to class Workload?14:06
andreykurilinfor me, workload is a bunch of iterations14:07
andreykurilinso we should keep `rally.task.scenario.Scenario`14:07
amaretskiyi like this idea14:07
amaretskiykeeping Scenario class14:08
rvasiletsWorkload is
andreykurilinscenario is an entity which is launched in iterations of workload14:08
amaretskiylet's make a definition of workload for glossary14:09
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andreykurilinwe need guru of glossary :)14:10
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amaretskiyokay, I will make a patch with proposed definition14:12
andreykurilinlet's move to the next topic14:12
andreykurilin#topic [ylobankov] New Rally verify HTML report14:12
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ylobankovguys, we have some features from the old report and these features disapeared in the new report.14:13
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andreykurilinsometimes it happens14:13
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amaretskiyylobankov: sure. I've told about this to andreykurilin. I'm working on that14:14
andreykurilinok, we have a good candidate for new verification report14:14
andreykurilinlets discuss all features which should be added there14:14
ylobankovfor example, when tempest test was skipped, we may have a messahe with the link to the bug. The new report doesn't have it. Ok.14:15
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amaretskiytests numeration re-calculation after some filters are disabled14:15
amaretskiyylobankov: i will fix that14:15
amaretskiy^ about links14:15
ylobankovamaretskiy: ok:)14:15
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amaretskiybut numeration re-calculation is a topic to discuss14:16
ylobankovWhat about report title?14:16
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amaretskiytitle is for discussion too14:16
ylobankovas far as I remember title of new report is Rally Verification results14:16
andreykurilinlets start from "but numeration re-calculation is a topic to discuss"14:16
andreykurilincan someone add more details about this topic&14:16
ylobankovall we need here is to re-numerate tests depending on filters14:17
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andreykurilinshould we?14:17
ylobankovyes, because it is very convenient14:18
andreykurilincurrently, you can say "look at test #666" and this number will be constant without dependencies on filters14:18
ylobankovany objections on it?14:18
ylobankovtests have IDs. Why we need to add new IDs14:19
andreykurilinand if we add re-numerations, you will need to say "look at test #666 in "success" status". more words. lol14:20
andreykurilin"tests have IDs. Why we need to add new IDs" it is a good question14:20
andreykurilinbut, after verification component refactor, we will support not only Tempest and another verifier can miss test-uuid support14:21
amaretskiywe can not display single ID if we have more than one verification14:21
andreykurilinbtw I do not know why tempest has test-uuids. tests names are unique...14:21
ylobankovThe thing is that the number of tests may be changed14:22
andreykurilinbtw I do not know why tempest has test-uuids. tests names are unique...14:22
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ylobankovbecause tests can be renamed and it is needed to track the test14:22
andreykurilinrvasilets amaretskiy thoughts?14:22
amaretskiyno ideas14:23
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ylobankovI consider that the numeration is just for convenience14:23
amaretskiyuuid does not serve numeration14:24
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andreykurilinI have no enough argument for and against re-numeration14:24
rvasiletsnumeration is great for user comfortable. I think users are affraid of big uuid like strings)14:24
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ylobankovI think that users use test names rather than IDs14:25
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ylobankovok, we can add a button 'renumerate'14:26
amaretskiyi think this would be rather confusing14:26
andreykurilinI'm against additional button:) it is better to add auto-recalculation14:26
amaretskiymaybe checkbox14:27
amaretskiy#agree no extra buttons14:27
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andreykurilinlets do not do our reports too complex14:27
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ylobankovok, I suppose to make re-numeration and if users are happy, fix it14:28
ylobankovnot happy*14:28
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amaretskiyso, re-numerate tests?14:29
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ylobankovit looks like we have an agreement here :)14:29
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amaretskiygot it, I will add auto-renumeration14:29
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andreykurilin"What about report title?"14:30
andreykurilinylobankov ?14:30
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ylobankovwe have the following report title 'Rally Verification report'14:31
ylobankovwhat about 'Rally Verification Report'?14:31
ylobankoveach word starts with capital letter14:32
andreykurilinamaretskiy ideas?14:32
amaretskiystyle should be synchronized with task report and trends report14:32
amaretskiyI personally like "Rally verifications results"14:33
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rvasiletsащк еру дфые щту14:33
rvasiletsfor the last one14:34
ylobankovI like the concistency :)14:34
ylobankovI don't mind14:34
andreykurilinany other open questions about new report?14:34
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ylobankovno from me. I like actually the new report :)14:35
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andreykurilin#topic [rvasiltes] Add sla section to the samples14:36
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rvasiletsI have a lot of comments on review like '14:37
rvasiletsplease add sla section14:37
rvasiletsI'm tired to write them14:37
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rvasiletsAre we going to fix this?14:37
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RockygI just pinged infra19:04
emaganataht should work but maybe only for the chair of the previous meeting19:05
clarkbthere was no bot/meeting previously so you should be able to start the meeting now19:05
clarkbbasically if bot isn't here then nothing can happen (but bot just rejoined)19:05
Patifabut usually you get error messages if you try to do something that you're not allowed19:05
shamailWho are the chairs?19:05
shamail(for Rally meeting)19:06
clarkbit doesn't matter the rally meeting isn't ongoing anymore19:06
Rockygemagana, try start again19:06
clarkbjust start your meeting now that the bot has rejoined freenode19:06
emagana#startmeeting uc19:06
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emaganaok.. we are good now!19:06
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emagana#topic Provide a status update of UC charter and next steps19:06
maishskGood evening all19:06
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emaganaHello All!19:07
emaganaThanks you all for joining.19:07
* ildikov is lurking19:07
emaganaOn the first topic. We have done a great progress on the UC charter and I do believe we are ready for Barcelona where we will propose bylaws changes in order to make the UC very similar to TC19:07
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emaganaSo, we have added the governance charter in the openstack site.19:08
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shamailemagana: awesome19:08
emaganaWe have a patch ready to change the content of #  to be more TC/UC/BoD neutral19:09
emaganaThis is the Doc for the Bylaws change proposal:19:09
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emaganaIn summary defines the process to vote for UC members and have 5 members in total instead of three19:10
emaganaAUC members will be voting for UC19:11
emaganaPlease, add you comments. It is very important to complete the document before Oct 2419:11
emagana@shamail I need your help in completing the section about AUC membership19:11
* shamail makes a note for maishsk, MeganR, and I to review the AUC membership section before deadline19:12
shamailwill do!19:12
emaganaOnce you are good with the document the BoD will approve and I am proposing to make the election on January 2017. Then we can renew the UC every year.19:13
emaganaDoes anyone has any question on this topic?19:13
maishskemagana: should we propose somments directly on the doc - I found an error (I think)19:13
emaganayes maishsk please add comments on the part that needs to be fixed or improved19:14
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shamailemagana: Is the bylaw change on the upcoming BoD agenda already?  If so, could you share the time.19:14
serverascodehi sorry I'm late19:14
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emaganaserverascode: no problem.. Thanks for joining us.19:15
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emaganashamail: Yes, it is. Well, I already requested the time to Alan (BoD Chair)19:15
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emaganaI will send out an email update with the time that got scheduled19:15
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emaganafeel free to ping me directly for any comments/suggestions/concerns on the changes.19:16
shamailsounds good19:16
emaganaI really feel good about it and it seems that BoD feels happy about it as well.19:16
emagana#topic AUC update19:16
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emaganashamail: you are next19:16
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shamailThanks, maishsk and I want to provide an update to the UC on the AUC Recognition WG activities19:17
shamailI would also like to say that MeganR did a lot of work on this too (she couldn’t make this meeting)19:17
emaganaawesome.. go for it19:18
shamailWe have created a deck to capture our status19:18
emaganaI like it!19:18
shamailSlide 3 defines what is AUC and how it aligns with UC (for those interested)19:18
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shamailIn general, we tried to ensure that we recognize all of the contributions that make the UC successful at fulfilling its goal19:19
shamailthis includes user groups, WGs, moderators, track chairs, knowledge sharing on Superuser, etc.19:19
shamailWe do anticipate adding more eligible activities in the future (some require more work/thought) but we captured all low hanging fruit in this initial criteria19:20
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shamailIn case anyone feels they should have been an AUC but did not meet the documented criteria, they can complete self-nomination for extra-AUC through the process provided (maishsk did excellent work on this process)19:20
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maishskshamail: you are too kind :)19:21
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shamailUC: Please review the “review committee” structure and let us know if this is feasible or whether rev1 should just be UC = review board19:21
emaganaThank you maishsk, shamail and MeganR for the great amount of work19:21
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shamailwe wanted to ensure that all perspectives were covered when reviewing self-nominations (but understand that putting together the committee will be work itself as well)19:21
shamailMoving on to the AUC Count19:22
shamailThe OpenStack Foundation (Tom and Web-Dev) have worked to automate the collection of AUC activities19:22
shamailthere is now a back-end that can run the uc-recognition scripts and automatically tally AUC counts based on the established criteria19:22
shamail(note: we are still working through some of the criteria since the automated and manual versions show disparity for certain categories)19:23
shamailAs of today, we are counting 314 AUCs in Barcelona!19:23
emaganawhy a BUT?19:23
emaganado you think we are missing a lot of people or that we have a lot?19:23
shamailBUT because there is still some discrepancy :)19:23
shamailnot many19:23
shamailI would say we are off by 30-40 max19:24
shamailso 10%19:24
shamailmight be even lower honestly19:24
shamailFinally, as next steps, we look forward to the bylaw changes (we will review the AUC section) and we also have two sessions scheduled in Barcelona19:24
shamail(linked on the last slide)19:25
shamailone is to raise awareness of AUC and what contributions count19:25
emaganaIs anyway we can bulish the list of AUC members and send it out via ML. If someone feel like it should be part of it we shoudl review the criteria that we are missing.19:25
shamailGreat idea emagana19:25
shamailCan you please assign maishsk and I the action?19:25
shamail(for reminder)19:25
emagana#action maishsk and shamail publish the AUC list of members and send it out to the ML. Suggest people who were not included to discuss directly with both of you and discuss the missing criteria(s)19:26
shamailThe second session is a working session to determine whether we need to continue the working group to add more criteria or whether the UC can take over management of AUC going forward.  This working group was supposed to be a short-term WG and we have completed our initial task… want guidance on whether we continue with another phase or disband it.19:26
shamailAnything else you want to add maishsk?19:26
shamailThanks emagana19:26
maishskNope - you have it all covered19:27
emaganaok, anything else on this topic?19:27
shamailThanks maishsk.  That is all from us.   Thanks for your time.19:27
emagana#topic PWG: Forum Suggestions19:27
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emaganaAlso a topic suggested by shamail19:27
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shamailping Carolbarrett19:27
shamailCarolbarrett: do you want to lead this one?19:27
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shamailalright, i’ll start it off19:28
emaganamaybe she Carolbarrett is not around19:28
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shamailWe created a deck for this one as well19:28
shamailAs most of you might know, the summit is evolving in Boston with the introduction of a new concept called the Forum (intended to replace the current design summit)19:29
Carolbarrettshamail: I'd appreciate if you would lead this one19:29
shamailSounds good, thx Carolbarrett19:29
shamailOne of the main goals of this change is to ensure that user feedback can be recieved in a timely manner so that the dev teams can discuss at PTG (Project Team Gatherings)19:29
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shamailWe, in the Product Working Group, brainstormed on how we think this goal could be achieved and how we could maximize user input into the OpenStack technical community19:30
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emaganashamail & Carolbarrett: In my opinion we should follow the next steps to make the proposal an official process for the Forum.19:31
shamailWe also believe that we need to start discussing/promoting the Forum in Barcelona to ensure the people we want to be in attendance are aware of it.19:31
shamailThanks emagana. That was our hope that we can use this as a starting point and refine it as “The UC Proposal for Forum"19:31
emagana1. Discuss the proposal with TC first. They have meetings every other week. I know we will miss the opportunity before the Board meeting in Barcelona but I do not think we need BoD approval19:32
shamailPWG just wanted to create a starting point19:32
shamailemagana: Could we possibly ask to discuss this at the joint TC/UC/BoD section of the meeting?19:32
shamailIt is critical that all parties message Forum the same way at the summit…19:32
shamailThe discussion on Monday could ensure that we are all raising awareness through out the week19:33
emagana2. Yes we could. I have a feeling that we may hear a negative reaction if we do not prepare them ahead19:33
shamailemagana: +119:33
shamailShould we add it to the TC agenda for next week?19:33
emaganaSo, we could actually present this to TC Chair first (Thierry)19:33
shamail(and re-label as UC proposal?)19:33
emaganaIn order to find out where the TC regarding the Forum and collect initial feedback19:33
shamailSounds good, would you mind setting that up?19:33
emaganashamail: if the TC has a meeting next week, yes we could and we should19:34
shamailThe TC is very important in this conversation since we want to ensure that all sessions result in actionable next steps (e.g. specs, bps, user stories, etc.)19:34
emagana#action emagana to request a time slot in TC meeting for next week if it there is a meeting.19:34
shamailThanks emagana19:34
shamailWe also should reach out to Lauren to determine promotion activities planned for the Forum in Barcelona19:35
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shamailCarolbarrett and I would be glad to do that on behalf of the UC if you think that is a good next step?19:35
emagana#action all AUC should read and get familiar with the deck. #link
emaganashamail: sounds good to me.19:36
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shamailAnyone else have questions on the Forum proposal?19:36
shamailThat’s all on this topic from us emagana19:36
emaganaif not. Let's move to the next topic19:36
emagana#topic: BCN Summit - UC and WG sessions19:36
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emaganaI want to have a reminder of two important sessions.19:37
emaganaThe first one is the UC meeting #link
emaganaThe second one is the UC WGs efficiency session #link
emaganaI want encourage all to attend these sessions.19:38
emaganaWe will discuss the future of the UC and the charter status as well as setting up the goals for the next year for the UC19:39
* shamail sees a lot of conflicts in his BCN schedule :(19:39
emaganaAfter Barcelona we will have way more visibility and we should make use of it.19:39
shamailemagana: +119:39
emaganaMonstly I would like to see how UC will impact the decisions on the TC19:40
emaganaI also wanted to ask if anyone feel like their WG did not get the time/space required for their work?19:40
maishskemagana: That would be most interesting thing to see how that pans out19:40
jamemccWe are hoping to discuss and talk about porposal for the Large Contributing OpenStack Operators (LCOO) with the UC.  Is that at that time?19:41
emaganamaishsk: I believe that we should work very closely with TC19:41
maishskI am in total agreement :)19:41
emaganajamemcc: The second session will be the best for that19:41
maishskIt will bring a huge benefit to OpenStack as a whole19:41
jamemccOK: Sorry if I should know - when is the second sesion?19:42
emaganain my mind, UC should request formally to TC to enforce a feature request or improvement regardless of the interest of the people working on that project and even the PTL.19:42
emaganajamemcc: You are working with Shilla on that WG, right?19:43
jamemccYes - thanks19:43
emaganajamemcc: great!19:43
emaganaIt is going to be a very important summit for UC19:44
maishskemagana: that is not going to be easy19:44
emaganahopefully after this we can have an elected and not appointed UC and a formal AUC recognition with voting rights and free access to Forum19:44
maishskas it essentially goes against everything the TC and OpenStack believe in19:44
maishskso enforce might not be the correct term19:45
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Rockygmaishsk, sadly, true19:45
emaganamaishsk: I dont think so. Why will it be against? On the contrary, the BoD is trying so hard to make UC a very important entity in OpenStack community19:45
maishskFrom what I see the TC does not force anything upon the Project teams19:46
maishsk(with regards to features and priorities)19:46
emaganamaishsk: Ah, that is a different problem that TC (with our collaboration) should fix19:46
jamemccI agree that the UC needs to formalize a request to TC and certainly they need to have a formal reply (of the variety we got it and here's what we are doing with it)19:47
jamemccMaybe that's the starting point rather than all the way to enforce19:47
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jamemccStep 2 we collaborate on how to do that19:48
emaganajamemcc: Let's work for that! At least that is what I am working towards to19:48
maishskIt is has always been the problem of geeting people to fix stuff - or do stuff properly instead of going off and working on the next shiny thing19:48
emaganajamemcc: communication, attending TC meetings and having TC members attending Uc meetings19:48
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emaganaleverage the BoD whenever we need to solve a conflict between TC and UC19:48
emaganaSo, whoever gets elected to the UC should continue this work. Moving to a different direction will throw away a lot of good work.19:49
shamailemagana: +119:49
maishskemagana: so true19:49
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emaganaGood reminder to all attending and members of AUC to prepare for taking a seat in the UC19:50
emagana5 position will be available19:50
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emaganaOk,  that is all I have for today.19:50
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emagana#topic Open Discussion19:50
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emaganaANyone wants to bring anything?19:50
shamailThanks emagana, great meeting.19:50
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jamemccNice Edgar - good organization - thanks for what you are doing19:51
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emaganaThank you all for attending.. It is nice to have this great support.19:52
Patifathank emagana this is really promissing19:52
serverascodeyup thanks all19:52
emaganaenjoy the rest of the day and the week. Looking forward to seeing you all in person in Barcelona! My second home city!19:52
maishskThank you all!19:52
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zigoping  IgorYozhikov zigo tlbr mordred jamespage ddellav coreycb zul onovy strigazi20:06
zigotlbr: It looks it its going to be you and me again ... :)20:07
tlbrzigo, :)20:07
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tlbrBTW i'm still working on trove-dashboard, I've asked Timur Sufiev to help me20:07
zigo#startmeeting deb_packaging20:07
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zigo#topic Project status: upload to unstable20:08
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zigoI uploaded everything to Unstable this week.20:08
tlbrmistral-dashboard too ?20:09
zigoOnly networking-scf and neutron-taas aren't migrated.20:09
zigoThey wouldn't build.20:09
zigomistra-dashboard too yeah.20:09
zigoI made the package today, it's in the NEW queue now.20:09
tlbryeah, i've seen ITP20:10
zigosenlin-dashboard was fixed for Django 1.1020:10
zigoI also uploaded it.20:10
tlbrfrom you20:10
zigoOnly trove-dashboard is missing.20:10
tlbri'm still working on it20:10
zigotlbr: You saw the patch from rob, right?20:10
tlbrto trove-dashboard ?20:10
tlbrzigo, ^^^20:10
zigoThis one !20:11
zigoIt's still not a 100% with it.20:11
zigoThere's 3/4 failures still.20:11
tlbrwhich one ?20:12
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zigoI can't upload without the fixes.20:12
zigoHang on, let me show you.20:12
tlbr"NoReverseMatch: u'en-us' is not a registered namespace"20:12
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tlbrthis is what i'm curently checking20:12
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zigoFAIL: test_add_parameter_invalid_value (trove_dashboard.content.database_configurations.tests.DatabaseConfigurationsTests)20:12
zigoTraceback (most recent call last):20:12
zigo  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/openstack_dashboard/test/", line 115, in instance_stub_out20:12
zigo    return fn(self, *args, **kwargs)20:12
zigo  File "/home/zigo/sources/openstack/newton/trove-dashboard/build-area/trove-dashboard-7.0.0~rc2/trove_dashboard/content/database_configurations/", line 341, in test_add_parameter_invalid_value20:12
zigo    ['Value must be a number.'])20:12
zigo  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/test/", line 406, in assertFormError20:13
zigo + "Response did not use any contexts to render the response")20:13
zigoAssertionError: Response did not use any contexts to render the response20:13
zigoThats' the only one remaining.20:13
zigoThen we got to actually TRY it, and make sure there's no exceptions.20:13
zigoJust in case some problems aren't caught by the unit tests ...20:13
zigoSame with the other dashboards, we need to check for them (at least browse in Horizon).20:14
tlbrhave you uploaded the changes to gerrit ?20:14
zigoFor trove-dashboard, no.20:14
tlbri want to pick your changes and try to fix it20:14
zigoThe rest of, yes.20:14
zigoThough mistral-dashboard isn't in Gerrit yet, just in Alioth.20:14
zigoOh, we also need to do python-glareclient...20:15
tlbryes :) Michael told me about it20:15
zigoAnd move both glare and glareclient to Gerrit.20:15
tlbryeah, he will also release a new version soon, with nice improvements20:15
tlbri'm talking about Glare20:15
zigo#topic Project status: Still heat_integration problem with tempest20:15
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zigoThat one, I'm really not sure how to fix.20:16
zigoCurrently, keystonemiddleware doesn't produce an auth_type = password kind of directives.20:16
tlbris it the same issue you showed a week earlier ?20:16
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zigoSame issue, I guess we don't need to discuss it again.20:16
zigoI need to chat with some Keystone specialists.20:17
zigostevemar for example.20:17
zigoIMO, it's ok to delay the work on it.20:17
zigo#topic Project status: BTS clean-up in progress20:17
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zigoI've cleaned-up about 15 bugs today! :)20:18
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zigoThere's more to come.20:18
zigoI'm satisfied when we reach a level where no action can be made.20:18
zigoThat should be around 10 bugs, no more.20:19
zigoI've been slowed down a lot by "Hash mismatch" issues on the CI though.20:19
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zigoHopefully, we'll have a "real" debian mirror some day to avoid these.20:19
tlbris it still happening ?20:20
zigoA LOT !!!20:20
zigoSome patches when up to 8 rechecks, still in error ... :(20:20
openstackDebian bug 837238 in src:trove-dashboard "trove-dashboard: FTBFS: compressor.exceptions.OfflineGenerationError: No template loaders defined. You must set TEMPLATE_LOADERS in your settings or set 'loaders' in your TEMPLATES dictionary." [Serious,Open]20:20
tlbrshall we patch ?20:20
zigoThat one was before the upload of all of Newton to Sid.20:21
zigoI didn't close the bug, because we have another one with Django 1.10.20:21
tlbrgot it, thanks20:21
zigoThough the topic and the reason is now completely different.20:21
zigoMaybe we should close that one and open a new bug...20:21
zigoI'd say: useless if we have the fix.20:21
tlbri agree20:21
zigoI'll continue working on closing issues tomorrow.20:22
zigo#topic Opening Ocata dev20:22
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zigoI need to have infra guys to help with that.20:23
zigopabelanger will need to add new ocata repo for example.20:23
tlbryou mean make branches for projects ?20:23
tlbrah, got it20:23
zigoBranches is another thing, bug yes ! :)20:23
tlbrnew repo along with branches20:23
tlbrok :)20:23
zigoI don't really want to open 250+ branches by hand... :P20:23
zigoWe can in theory do it in Gerrit though.20:23
zigoDo you know if we could script clicking on Gerrit?20:24
tlbrsec, i'll check if we have rights20:24
zigoWe do have the rights to make new branches on Gerrit, that's for sure.20:24
zigoThe only question is how to automate that ...20:24
clarkbzigo: the release team typically handles branch creation fwiw20:24
clarkbI think they may have scripts for it20:24
tlbrno, we can't do that by button20:24
zigoclarkb: Ah, thanks a lot for your input ! :)20:24
tlbrclarkb, is there anyway to do it ourselves ?20:25
tlbr*any way20:25
zigoclarkb: Our workflow is a little bit different though, instead of "master" (which is upstream master), we would like to open "debian/ocata" right away now.20:25
clarkbzigo: I am sure that can be parameterized20:25
zigoclarkb: Great, who should I ask? Doug?20:26
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clarkbya I think I would start with Doug20:26
zigoOk, will do.20:26
zigo#action Zigo to ask Doug about opening new debian/ocata branches when we are to start20:27
zigotlbr: I prefer finishing the BTS clean-up first though, so I don't have to backport the fixes.20:27
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zigotlbr: I'd like to start doing packaging from trunk though, which means packaging each and every release of libs, clients, etc...20:27
zigotlbr: So it has to happen fast ...20:28
tlbrzigo, got it20:28
zigotlbr: Do you think starting next week is reasonable?20:28
tlbrzigo, i guess so20:28
zigoie: one week to clean-up everything ...20:28
zigoOk, let's do that then.20:28
tlbrdo you need help with bugs ?20:28
zigoContrib is always welcome! :)20:29
zigoSo, yes for sure ...20:29
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zigo#topic install-guide contribution20:29
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zigoI started reviewing every bits ...20:29
zigoAnd a few CR20:29
zigotlbr: Do you have time for that work as well?20:29
tlbrzigo, what should I add there ?20:30
zigoannegentle: ping20:30
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tlbri'll try to spend some time on it20:30
zigotlbr: The thing is, the doc team insist that we "test" the install-guide, and make sure it works.20:30
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zigoI know the packages so well that I don't need to do actual tests for all. For example, for glance, I know it works, so I marked the debconf one as passed...20:31
zigoNeed to add some stuff from the non-debconf bits though.20:31
zigoThis type of things ...20:31
zigoEverything is in the status though.20:31
zigoThe hardest bits will be networking.20:31
tlbrwe have tests for services20:32
zigoThe problem is that I don't have enough space available on my laptop.20:32
tlbrNova, Neutron, Glance, etc.20:32
zigotlbr: Do we have hardware available somewhere for this type of testing?20:32
tlbrI mean functional tests20:32
tlbrnope =\20:32
zigoThe goal is *not* to test if packages work, but if the install-guide is accurate and works.20:32
zigoI do know packages are working ! :)20:32
zigo(thanks to tempest testing...)20:33
tlbrok, i can try to do so20:33
zigotlbr: Do you have enough space on your computer to do the network tests?20:33
zigoThat's really the hardest part ...20:33
tlbrzigo, yes, i can find it20:33
zigoBecause you got to have all of the other parts working.20:33
tlbrlet's discuss it on #openstack-pkg20:34
zigo#topic Open discussion20:34
tlbri'll need some help with it20:34
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zigotlbr: On this topic, I wanted to know: who's taking care of that sync git script for MOS ?20:34
zigoA. Tsamutali ?20:35
tlbrzigo, we haven't started yet20:35
tlbrthere are still CI preparation20:35
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zigotlbr: Yeah, but who's doing it?20:35
tlbrzigo, no one at this moment20:35
tlbryes, we have Sync, but it thinks to branch20:35
tlbrall the changes20:35
zigoWell, it has to sync from now, I guess you know that ... :P20:35
tlbryeah, I've Sasha about it today20:36
tlbrwe will see what we can do20:36
tlbr*i've told20:36
zigoAnything else?20:36
tlbrI guess no.20:36
tlbrThank you!20:37
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zigohave a good night then.20:37
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docaedoWho's ready for the App Ecosystem WG meeting?22:00
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docaedoOur agenda this week:22:00
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docaedowell hello you three!22:01
docaedoFirst thing on the agenda is a quick one - who will be around for next weeks meeting?  I will not be available, and with the summit approaching, should see if we are going to have another one before Barcelona...22:02
csterret__I will be here22:02
CarolbarrettIf we're ready for the Summit, then I vote to cancel next week's meeting22:02
rocky_gme too22:03
docaedoI think we're about as ready as we're going to be :)22:03
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PatifaI'll be here but I'm ok with cancelling22:03
csterret__agree, besides Chris has most of the AR's22:03
docaedoI say then we skip next week (and if csterret__ and Patifa want to have a meeting next Monday they can!)22:04
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docaedoI had two action items, to put together simple presentations for the BoF and the fishbowl session.22:05
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docaedoBoth ready for comments, though I know one of them I was waiting to see if there was updated information on the cloud analysis report22:06
docaedoI heard there's nothing new, so will drop those slides22:06
docaedowould like to ask here though for a few conversation-starter questions (maybe we have a slide with three that we leave up after the presentation)22:06
docaedobut also, please take a look at those slides and add suggestions, or request edit access and you can make changes/additions as you see fit22:07
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PatifaDo we want to add a slide with the guadalajara hackathon22:07
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dfflandersapologies, I'm here but furniture is being delivered to my house so juggling, apologies.  Will read notes anon.22:08
docaedooh that's a good idea, is there a place I can grab some stats?  Or maybe has Flanders already done a presentation and I can just copy a slide?22:08
docaedodfflanders: no sweat22:08
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rocky_gIf we had a list of apps available in the OpenStack repos, we could list them, and ask what apps are we missing22:09
PatifaIf dfflanders doesn't have a slide victor might... but he's OoO until Thursday22:10
rocky_gOr which apps should we focus on next22:10
docaedorocky_g: you mean like whats at  Or do you mean something else when you say "in the openstack repos"?22:10
docaedoPatifa: we can sort out that slide then on the monday before the summit22:11
rocky_gdocaedo, so what's at, plus the interop apps and maybe the reference workloads?22:11
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rocky_gFor the questions slide we leave folks a chance to explore22:13
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docaedorocky_g: well .. there's 122 assets in the app catalog right now, so that's kind of a big list to throw up and ask what's missing :)22:13
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rocky_gMaybe categories?  Or just throw up the link and put up Questions?  with it...22:14
docaedo#action Aedo to add slide about guadalajara hackathon before summit22:14
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docaedorocky_g: that could work (categories, maybe cherry-pick a few examples), to spur conversation22:15
csterret__Anything about how we do or will or should interact with Enterprise WG, ISV, etc?22:15
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docaedoI am not sure if we have a clear idea of how we'll do that yet? though there's something from Patifa to hear an update on22:16
docaedoalthough I don't see it on the agenda - Patifa that thing to talk to the other working groups, was that in relation to this WG or was that a sub work group or something?  I get confused, we have a few different related efforts afoot these days!22:17
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docaedook well we can touch on it at the end22:18
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docaedoalso I forgot to set topic! .. before we move on though, regarding slides, please add any comments to the google doc and I'll go through it once or twice more before the summit22:19
docaedo#topic App Dev Cheat Sheet (How to attrack AppDevs to summits?)22:19
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docaedothere was a dfflanders action "Flanders to ping mailing list to request any key themes."22:19
dfflandersI've got a minimalised draft here as it needs to go out soon:22:19
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dfflanders^^ comments pretty plz ;-)22:20
Patifadfflanders didnt you have another version.. better formated22:21
dfflandersFor the future, I'd like to have a handbook we release, but as time is running out...22:21
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dfflandersfuture potential version was drafted here, which I would like to circle back around for Boston:22:21
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dfflandersIn the meantime, comments on the former blog post would be greatly appreciated along with any other highlights the group would like to see added.22:23
PatifaLet me see if I understood, you want comments on the blog post  - page 1?22:24
dfflandersA thousand apologies, that is the wrong link... :(22:24
* dfflanders juggling too many things at moment :(22:25
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dfflandersHere is the blog post draft copy:
dfflandersIf everyone could please comment and add any highlights to the above.22:25
Patifaok :D22:25
docaedothat makes more sense :)22:25
dfflanderssorry all22:25
docaedo#action Everyone to review and comment on "Cloud App Going-ons at the Barcelona Summit" doc22:25
csterret__Due by when, Wednesday?22:26
csterret__seems like we really need to do this in the next day or two22:26
dfflandersYes, it has to go out ASAP.22:26
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dfflandersThe audience for this post are any potential new people from Europe who might book to attend last minute22:27
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docaedoCool - then please review/comment ASAP everyone22:27
dfflandersthank you all, and apologies for last minute stuff.22:27
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docaedono sweat sir, you have a lot going on!22:28
docaedoNext on the agenda...22:28
docaedo#topic App Ecosystem WG Working Session22:28
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docaedoSpecifically we've got an etherpad here:22:28
dfflandersGoing to be fun (once it gets here), last minute rush weeks is the worst :(22:28
docaedoand the one thing thats open: what are our goals for the next cycle?22:29
PatifaThere's always the usual - increase participation and corporate diversity.22:29
PatifaI suppose we can also add increase app dev participation at summit - and help with the handbook and other activities like that22:30
docaedosure (and makes sense - that's also a success factor)22:30
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csterret__More advance planning for the App Dev lounge, etc for Boston22:31
dfflandersI think everyone should be responsible for adding a minimum of 1-2 suggestions for WG tasks which should be taken forward (ideally something they are planning on doing as part of their personal remit)?22:31
docaedoI figure we could discuss ideas for just a few minutes here?  and everyone has access to the etherpad so can add anything later too22:31
docaedodfflanders: yes well said22:31
dfflandershaving an opinion/idea (or participating via +1) should be obligatory as membership of the WG... though I live in Australia where voting is mandatory ;-)22:32
docaedoSome of my goals for the community app catalog heavily overlap with this WG, I'll add anything that could be a good cooperative effort22:32
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dfflandersAs per this session, I'd like to see a discussion between WG chairs to talk about co-joining or co-locating WGs so membership overlap can optimse:22:33
docaedodfflanders: thanks for sharing those links22:34
dfflandersI also think the WG chairs as guided by the UC should bid for a space at the design summit to present their ideas/features/userWants to PTLs and other core contributors... <-- my two pence (not the foundations, necessarily)22:35
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dfflandersWe need to figure out a better way for WGs to engage PTLs/Cores and likewise for Projects to guide WG Chairs... imho22:36
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docaedodfflanders: I agree with that, but I'd like to see us have greater participation on the mailing list too, we'll hit a WAY bigger audience, and it's a lot easier to carry it forward vs. presentations/conversations at the summit (which are easily forgotten)22:36
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docaedoI think we're good on this topic - main thing is this action:22:38
dfflandersNB the OpenStack board will be voting on adding additional UC chairs in Barcelona, so things will be progressing for user groups.... that and the PTG will free up the design summit for WGs to have more influence?22:39
docaedo#action Everyone to add 1-2 goals for next cycle to etherpad22:39
docaedoI saw that UC board vote coming up, interesting and good move IMO22:39
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dfflanders <-- re posting so everyone has to hand in the notes22:40
docaedoI'm not sure how the PTG change will impact external influence though - we still have a fundamental problem with individual projects taking direction from non-contributors22:40
docaedo(but we could bikeshed on that for hours, so let's just talk about it over beers in Barcelona!)22:41
docaedomoving on to...22:41
docaedo#topic Cloud App Training => recruitment of new community22:41
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docaedothere was an action for dfflanders to send an invite?22:41
docaedo"Monday night marketplace gathering, DFF to send invite to mailing list."22:42
dfflanderscarry over for this week please, it is nigh :)22:42
docaedodfflanders: do you like how we're piling on all the actions for you, with just two weeks before the summit? :D22:42
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docaedoCool, we'll let that go for now22:43
dfflandersThough everyone please do make a note to meet in the Marketplace at the 'Cloud App Lab' lounge so we can all catchup with one another22:43
dfflanderson monday night at...22:43
dfflanderstime to be announced on the mailing list ;_)22:43
docaedoI'll be able to make it as long as it happens before 722:43
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dfflandersyes, either 5pm or 6pm is likely, still confirming22:44
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* Patifa adding to calendar ;)22:44
docaedo#topic Open discussion22:45
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docaedoAnybody have any open topics, or want to go back to something we jumped away from too soon?  We've got 15 minutes..22:45
csterret__Contact Info for when we are in Barcelona?22:46
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docaedosafest bet for finding me in barcelona is to get on freenode IRC and type "/msg docaedo yo dawg where you at?" (but a text to +13234817211 will likely work as well)22:48
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dfflandersnever found a mobile IRC app I've liked, so best to ping me on the tweeters: @DFFlanders22:51
rocky_ghave you tried AndChat?22:51
dfflandersrocky_g, thanks, I'll have a look :)22:51
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Patifadocaedo I think we're good for today :D22:53
docaedoyep, I think so too - thanks everyone!  See you not next week, but the week after in Barcelona!22:54
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