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| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific_wg | 09:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 12 09:00:28 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: scientific_wg)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_wg' | 09:00 |
| oneswig | Hello and good morning | 09:00 |
| oneswig | Blair sends his apologies, he's at an eResearch conference | 09:01 |
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| oneswig | #link agenda today is https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#IRC_Meeting_October_12th_2016 | 09:01 |
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| oneswig | Do we have Phil K from STFC here today? | 09:02 |
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| dariov | hello everybody! | 09:02 |
| b1airo | Hi! Coming to you live from eResearch Australasia | 09:03 |
| oneswig | Morning Daria | 09:03 |
| oneswig | Hi b1airo, mind you don't spill the soup :-) | 09:03 |
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| stevejims | Hello all, Steve from StackHPC here | 09:03 |
| oneswig | Hi stevejims | 09:04 |
| oneswig | :-) | 09:04 |
| oneswig | While b1airo's here (and Phil might not be) can we reshuffle the items | 09:04 |
| oneswig | b1airo: are you able to talk on your follow-up findings? | 09:04 |
| b1airo | Sure | 09:05 |
| oneswig | #topic Blair's research on virtualisation | 09:05 |
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| b1airo | Though don't have much to say yet... | 09:05 |
| oneswig | I have a related item when you're done | 09:05 |
| b1airo | As I reported last week we have been doing some bare metal versus KVM benchmarks | 09:05 |
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| b1airo | Getting equivalent performance with linpack | 09:07 |
| b1airo | I'm on my phone so if someone else can reference last week's log that'd be great... | 09:07 |
| b1airo | But basically on a two socket E5-2680v3 box we get ~780Gflops with Intel optimised Linpack | 09:08 |
| oneswig | #link discussion was here http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-10-04-21.01.log.html#l-24 | 09:08 |
| b1airo | With CPU and NUMA pinning and topology we get the same in KVM | 09:09 |
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| oneswig | And I recall you needed very recent kernel and supporting tools, right? | 09:09 |
| oneswig | Did you manage to write it up on the Monash blog? Sure loads of people would like to see that | 09:10 |
| b1airo | We are on 4.4 kernel | 09:10 |
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| b1airo | On Trusty but using Xenial HWE | 09:10 |
| b1airo | And Qemu 2.5 from Mitaka Cloud archive | 09:11 |
| verdurin | Morning all. | 09:11 |
| oneswig | Hi verdurin | 09:11 |
| b1airo | Not yet no, need to get to the whitepaper first :-( - just a bit overloaded with DC migration and network activities at the moment | 09:12 |
| oneswig | No problem b1airo. On kernel versions, we've found a possible path through on our PV VXLAN performance problems | 09:12 |
| b1airo | Interesting issue we hit with the topology exposure is that openmpi hwloc gets confused in the guest | 09:13 |
| oneswig | confused how? | 09:13 |
| b1airo | It was reporting overlapping CPU sets | 09:13 |
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| b1airo | This was with the cpu topology emulated to match the host, so numa node 0 with CPUs 0,2,4,... and so on | 09:14 |
| b1airo | Changed it to be consecutive and hwloc stops whinging. Odd. But seems like not the greatest code | 09:15 |
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| oneswig | And does that result in something like anti-affinity? | 09:15 |
| b1airo | Also started writing a little script to test NUMA memory latency | 09:15 |
| b1airo | oneswig: not if you then adjust the cpu pinning accordingly | 09:16 |
| oneswig | b1airo: will be following your footsteps RSN... | 09:16 |
| b1airo | I started on the memory latency testing because when adjusting the topology I did try Linpack with anti-affinity just for shits and giggles, but interestingly it made no difference! | 09:18 |
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| b1airo | So then figured it is not a good indication of memory performance | 09:18 |
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| oneswig | b1airo: perhaps the config is outsmarting your attempts to make it dumber? | 09:19 |
| b1airo | Initial results of that testing seem to indicate guest is ~20% slower in random access memory latency | 09:19 |
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| b1airo | Mind you, I'm using 40 lines of Python for this so... | 09:20 |
| b1airo | That's it for now. I will write this up while we're in Barcelona | 09:22 |
| oneswig | Neat to see that achieved in python, didn't think it had it in it | 09:22 |
| oneswig | Thanks b1airo, keep it coming | 09:22 |
| oneswig | A little related follow up on the issues we had with VXLAN bandwidth | 09:22 |
| oneswig | We were getting a feeble amount of TCP bandwidth - ~1.6Gbits/s on a 50G NIC | 09:23 |
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| b1airo | Just create a big list, generate another big (but smaller) list of random offsets and time accessing them. Run using numactl | 09:23 |
| oneswig | With some BIOS tuning, this went up to ~3.2Gbits/s | 09:23 |
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| oneswig | Thanks to some helpful guidance from mlnx | 09:23 |
| b1airo | Oh yeah? | 09:24 |
| oneswig | I'll write it up when you write yours up :-) | 09:24 |
| b1airo | Lol | 09:24 |
| oneswig | But now we've got something more tangible which might make a bigger difference | 09:24 |
| b1airo | Don't make me choke on my steak | 09:24 |
| oneswig | offload of encapsulated frames is in some way borked up to kernel 4.6 | 09:25 |
| oneswig | So I'm currently working my way up to a latest 4.x kernel to see if I can get the step change I'm looking for | 09:25 |
| b1airo | Can you run mainline? | 09:25 |
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| oneswig | Trying - this isn't production. Currently up to latest 3.x, seems good so far, making my way to 4.x today is the plan | 09:26 |
| oneswig | I'm hoping to find some useful data along the way | 09:26 |
| oneswig | OK, any more on tuning and tweaking? | 09:27 |
| oneswig | Lets move on | 09:27 |
| oneswig | #topic RCUK workshop at the Crick in London | 09:27 |
| b1airo | I'm done - chewing now | 09:27 |
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| oneswig | bon appetit b1airo, thanks for joining | 09:28 |
| oneswig | Phil K are you here? | 09:28 |
| oneswig | #link RCUK cloud workshop https://www.eventbrite.com/e/rcuk-cloud-working-group-workshop-tickets-27722389413 | 09:28 |
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| oneswig | There's a workshop coming up discussion OpenStack use cases for research computing | 09:29 |
| oneswig | Was hoping Phil could join us to talk it over | 09:29 |
| oneswig | I'm planning on going - hopefully see you there | 09:30 |
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| oneswig | OK lets move on | 09:30 |
| verdurin | I'll be there too | 09:30 |
| oneswig | verdurin: long way to go? :-) | 09:30 |
| oneswig | great, see you there | 09:31 |
| oneswig | #topic Barcelona | 09:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Barcelona (Meeting topic: scientific_wg)" | 09:31 | |
| oneswig | 2 weeks to go now | 09:31 |
| oneswig | We have our WG events on the schedule | 09:31 |
| oneswig | I put some details here | 09:32 |
| oneswig | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#Barcelona_Summit.2C_October_2016 | 09:32 |
| oneswig | #link etherpad agenda for the WG meeting https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/scientific-wg-barcelona-agenda | 09:32 |
| oneswig | Please add any items for discussion here | 09:33 |
| oneswig | For the BoF (2:15pm Wednesay), we are now looking for lightning talks | 09:34 |
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| oneswig | I might talk about our "burst buffer" storage | 09:35 |
| oneswig | As per the list mail, mail me and b1airo to put your talk on the schedule, we should have room for about 8 | 09:35 |
| oneswig | Finally for the evening social, I'm going to mail all ticketholders once I've scraped together the addresses - we have subsidy but need a charge for the meal | 09:37 |
| oneswig | I'll mail later today with the details for how we will do that and give people the choice | 09:38 |
| oneswig | Any more items for Barcelona? | 09:39 |
| oneswig | #link There's also a scientific theme to the opening keynote this year https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/17299/major-scientific-discoveries-on-openstack | 09:41 |
| oneswig | #topic SC16 | 09:42 |
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| oneswig | One more item for SC | 09:42 |
| oneswig | #link b1airo put together an etherpad collecting OpenStack themed activities at SC https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/scientific-wg-supercomputing16 | 09:43 |
| oneswig | #topic Any other business | 09:43 |
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| oneswig | OK that's all I had for today - anyone have other news or things to discuss? | 09:44 |
| dariov | sorry - urgent email to reply to. oneswig, we’re also planning to come down to the RCUK meeting | 09:44 |
| oneswig | dariov: great, see you there | 09:44 |
| dariov | (I guess we’re giving a talk on how we see porting pipelines to the cloud, or similar things) | 09:45 |
| oneswig | I'd be interested to know if you're doing that including cloud APIs or by recreating the environment transparently to the application | 09:46 |
| dariov | 2nd for the time being, way easier | 09:46 |
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| dariov | (and requires less coding, users usually start to run as soon we start talking about rewriting a few lines of code) | 09:47 |
| oneswig | dariov: I may be doing something very similar in the coming months, I'll be paying attention | 09:47 |
| oneswig | verdurin: are you speaking at the event? | 09:47 |
| oneswig | OK, lets conclude for the week... any final items? | 09:48 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 09:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 09:49 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 12 09:49:02 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-10-12-09.00.html | 09:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-10-12-09.00.txt | 09:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-10-12-09.00.log.html | 09:49 |
| oneswig | Thanks all - see you in a couple of weeks :-) | 09:49 |
| dariov | bye! | 09:49 |
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| dirk | tonyb: meeting? | 12:02 |
| tonyb | #startmeeting requirements | 12:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 12 12:02:41 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tonyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'requirements' | 12:02 |
| tonyb | sorry all I was off looking at how to create a doodle pool | 12:03 |
| toabctl | hi | 12:03 |
| coolsvap | o/ | 12:03 |
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| tonyb | So I think tonights meeting could be a little less structured than normal | 12:03 |
| tonyb | The agenda basically boils down to Any controversies in the Queue? and Open Discussion | 12:04 |
| tonyb | so I figured we could have an open discussion about controversies in the queue ;P | 12:04 |
| toabctl | any comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207629/ ? | 12:04 |
| tonyb | toabctl: only that I saw it earlier (but not on my dashboard) and I need to look into it | 12:05 |
| toabctl | tonyb, ok. thx | 12:05 |
| tonyb | toabctl: in general we've hot probelms when we tried to do similar in th past | 12:05 |
| dirk | o/ | 12:06 |
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| coolsvap | tonyb: yes agreed, I do not recollect but we had similar discussion, i think related to posix_ipc itself | 12:08 |
| tonyb | toabctl: I'm still not sure how projects got the wrong data in there :( | 12:08 |
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| coolsvap | not sure when, need to read some meeting logs I think | 12:08 |
| toabctl | tonyb, via the bot. see comment in commit msg | 12:08 |
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| toabctl | this changeset is already 1 1/2 years old | 12:09 |
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| tonyb | toabctl: okay. that's nearly as long as I've been working on OpenStack ;P | 12:10 |
| toabctl | :) | 12:11 |
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| tonyb | toabctl: I'm not opposed to a chnage like that but we need to really think about how that may or may not break things | 12:12 |
| tonyb | I like the idea that we're generous in what we accept and strict in what we emit | 12:13 |
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| tonyb | anything else? | 12:14 |
| tonyb | Oh wow! there a lot of -1's from jenkins | 12:15 |
| tonyb | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/requirements+branch:master | 12:15 |
| * coolsvap is not updated on the queue from monday, I will have to look | 12:16 | |
| tonyb | Looks like it's all due to pypi mirroring | 12:16 |
| tonyb | I dropped a request into the infra channel. a few hours ago | 12:17 |
| dirk | tonyb: if you find someone from infra or stable team, the check-uc stuff is still non voting | 12:17 |
| tonyb | dirk: do we have a review up to switch it? | 12:18 |
| * tonyb lost track | 12:18 | |
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| dirk | tonyb: yes everything there and reviewed | 12:19 |
| tonyb | Oh there it is | 12:19 |
| tonyb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382232/ | 12:19 |
| dirk | Only workflows missing | 12:19 |
| dirk | I think infra is waiting for stable team | 12:19 |
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| tonyb | dirk: Ahh I see. | 12:21 |
| tonyb | not all of the dpendant patches have merged. | 12:21 |
| tonyb | I'll do some poking tomorrow. | 12:21 |
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| tonyb | dirk: Sorry I didn't realise that was the hold up | 12:22 |
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| tonyb | While we're doign stable backports .... Does anyone have time to backport and check py3 support ? | 12:23 |
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| tonyb | I *think* it's just the 'quick wins' patch | 12:24 |
| coolsvap | tonyb: i can check that | 12:24 |
| tonyb | coolsvap: Thanks. | 12:24 |
| tonyb | coolsvap: then we could make py3 voting which would be nice .... not that we break the *code* often ;P | 12:25 |
| tonyb | but given some of the churn we're probably going to go through during ocata it'd be good to have that in place | 12:25 |
| coolsvap | tonyb: yes I will check that | 12:26 |
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| tonyb | cool | 12:26 |
| tonyb | I appreciate it | 12:26 |
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| tonyb | any other open discussions? | 12:29 |
| coolsvap | nothing from my side | 12:30 |
| tonyb | okay perhaps we shoudl call it an afternoon/evening/night ? | 12:31 |
| coolsvap | yup | 12:31 |
| coolsvap | tonyb: i can set up the doodle poll if you want | 12:31 |
| tonyb | coolsvap: That'd be great if you have time. | 12:32 |
| tonyb | coolsvap: all the times and timezones are in last weeks logs | 12:32 |
| coolsvap | I will do it | 12:32 |
| tonyb | coolsvap: again thanks! | 12:32 |
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| tonyb | okay .... | 12:34 |
| tonyb | #endmeeting | 12:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 12:34 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 12 12:34:50 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2016/requirements.2016-10-12-12.02.html | 12:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2016/requirements.2016-10-12-12.02.txt | 12:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2016/requirements.2016-10-12-12.02.log.html | 12:34 |
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| joehuang | hello | 13:00 |
| joehuang | Tricircle starts | 13:00 |
| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 12 13:00:32 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 13:00 |
| joehuang | #topic rollcall | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:00 | |
| yinxiulin | hello | 13:00 |
| joehuang | #info joehuang | 13:00 |
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| dongfeng | #dongfeng | 13:00 |
| hejiawei | #info jiawei | 13:00 |
| Yipei | #info Yipei | 13:00 |
| zhiyuan | #info zhiyuan | 13:00 |
| lzy | #info liuzyu | 13:01 |
| liukun | #info liukun | 13:01 |
| RongHui | #info ronghui | 13:01 |
| yinxiulin | #info yinxiulin | 13:01 |
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| joehuang | #topic Ocata design summit sessions | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ocata design summit sessions (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:01 | |
| joehuang | OpenStack community has allocated two session slots for tricircle | 13:02 |
| joehuang | you can find it here: https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/global-search?t=Tricircle%3A | 13:02 |
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| joehuang | please be aware that the time is local time, i.e. spain time | 13:04 |
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| joehuang | etherpad is linked in the session if you click the session you can find detail information | 13:04 |
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| joehuang | have you found that? | 13:05 |
| Yipei | already open them | 13:05 |
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| joehuang | even etherpad? | 13:06 |
| Yipei | yes | 13:06 |
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| zhiyuan | yes, both the openstack page and etherpad | 13:07 |
| joehuang | ok | 13:07 |
| RongHui | both +1 | 13:07 |
| joehuang | so in that time we will have design summit session in field and online | 13:07 |
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| joehuang | you can input your thoughts in the etherpad from now for discussion | 13:08 |
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| RongHui | sorry i just see the Thu 27 and the time which months? | 13:09 |
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| zhiyuan | this month | 13:09 |
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| joehuang | this month October | 13:09 |
| RongHui | ok | 13:09 |
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| joehuang | please remember the time difference | 13:10 |
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| joehuang | the current local time in Barcelona is 15:11 | 13:11 |
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| joehuang | so the time difference is about 6 hours | 13:11 |
| Yipei | got it | 13:12 |
| joehuang | that means the meeting starts at about 11:30pm in China | 13:12 |
| joehuang | for the meeting in Thursday | 13:12 |
| joehuang | the next meeting is time friendly for China and Spain, it's 9:00am in Barcelona | 13:13 |
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| joehuang | i.e, 3:00pm in China Friday | 13:13 |
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| joehuang | Good, so please continue to put your thoughts in the etherpad | 13:14 |
| RongHui | i think we can maker this two time in China for easy remember | 13:14 |
| joehuang | yes | 13:14 |
| joehuang | any question about the design summit? | 13:14 |
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| Yipei | no for me | 13:15 |
| yinxiulin | no | 13:15 |
| RongHui | 10.9 11:30pm in China (Tricircle: Networking automation across Neutron, feature review and what's to do in Ocata) | 13:15 |
| RongHui | 10.27 Thu 11:30pm in China (Tricircle: Networking automation across Neutron, feature review and what's to do in Ocata) | 13:16 |
| joehuang | #info 10.27 Thu 11:30pm in China (Tricircle: Networking | 13:16 |
| joehuang | automation across Neutron, feature review and what's to do in | 13:16 |
| joehuang | Ocata) | 13:17 |
| joehuang | o, sorry, one more again in one line | 13:17 |
| RongHui | and 10.28 Fri 3:00pm in china (Tricircle: Work session) | 13:17 |
| RongHui | right? | 13:17 |
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| joehuang | #info 10.27 Thu 11:30pm in Beijing time (Tricircle: Networking automation across Neutron, feature review and what's to do in Ocata) | 13:18 |
| joehuang | yes | 13:18 |
| RongHui | and two time is not nice for Chinese :( | 13:18 |
| joehuang | #info 10.28 Fri 3:00pm in Beijing time (Tricircle: Work session) | 13:19 |
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| joehuang | 3:00pm is very good for China, it's day time in the afternoon | 13:19 |
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| zhiyuan | yes :) | 13:20 |
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| joehuang | the first one is a little late into nignt in China. But not too late for you young guys | 13:20 |
| joehuang | :) | 13:20 |
| joehuang | ok, next one | 13:20 |
| RongHui | ok | 13:20 |
| joehuang | the Next cycle Ocata will be very short | 13:21 |
| joehuang | release will be end in Feb | 13:21 |
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| joehuang | and the A design summit now called project team gather PTG will be held in Atalanta | 13:21 |
| joehuang | could you get buget to go to Atalanta, USA? | 13:22 |
| zhiyuan | "A" design summit means the first one? | 13:22 |
| joehuang | do we need to have a design summit in Atalanta or somewhere else | 13:22 |
| joehuang | to Zhiyuan, sorry, wrong typing | 13:23 |
| zhiyuan | oh i see | 13:23 |
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| zhiyuan | when will the new design summit be held? | 13:24 |
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| joehuang | https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ | 13:25 |
| joehuang | Feb 20-24 | 13:25 |
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| joehuang | I am afraid that it's very difficult for most of our contributors to get buget for the design summit | 13:27 |
| joehuang | may we have design summit in Asia or China? | 13:28 |
| RongHui | yes!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 13:28 |
| RongHui | China!!! | 13:28 |
| hejiawei | China!! | 13:28 |
| zhiyuan | yes, we can find our own place for team gathering | 13:28 |
| lzy | 1 | 13:28 |
| liukun | China | 13:29 |
| joehuang | Tacker team will have a virtual design summit. some teams will have a meeting in Atlanta | 13:29 |
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| joehuang | ok, understand your expectation | 13:30 |
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| joehuang | will talk in the community to see may we work like this | 13:30 |
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| Yipei | if we do not received any official invitation or ticket, it is hard to get funding from school. | 13:31 |
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| joehuang | I see | 13:31 |
| joehuang | #info talk with community how to address our challenge for travelling | 13:32 |
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| joehuang | good, the last topic | 13:33 |
| joehuang | #topic stable/newton release and cleaning in trunk | 13:33 |
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| joehuang | have you checked the mail-list | 13:33 |
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| RongHui | yes | 13:34 |
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| joehuang | for the master branch and stable/newton release, all patches are ready for review | 13:34 |
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| joehuang | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-October/105519.html | 13:36 |
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| joehuang | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-October/105536.html | 13:36 |
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| joehuang | review and review please | 13:37 |
| RongHui | got it | 13:37 |
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| joehuang | patches for stable/newton branch should be merged before Oct.15 | 13:38 |
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| joehuang | patches for the master branch(i.e) trunk should be merged before the end of Oct.19 | 13:38 |
| joehuang | so that we can have release in time | 13:39 |
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| joehuang | questions? | 13:39 |
| RongHui | no | 13:39 |
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| zhiyuan | no | 13:39 |
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| liukun | no | 13:40 |
| Yipei | no for me | 13:40 |
| dongfeng | no | 13:40 |
| yinxiulin | no | 13:40 |
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| joehuang | ok, other topics? | 13:40 |
| zhiyuan | no for me | 13:40 |
| yinxiulin | no | 13:40 |
| dongfeng | no for me | 13:40 |
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| Yipei | no for me | 13:40 |
| joehuang | ok, it'e time to end the time | 13:41 |
| joehuang | thank you attending the meeting | 13:41 |
| joehuang | #endmeeting | 13:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:41 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 12 13:41:30 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-10-12-13.00.html | 13:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-10-12-13.00.txt | 13:41 |
| RongHui | ok | 13:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-10-12-13.00.log.html | 13:41 |
| joehuang | bye | 13:41 |
| dongfeng | bye | 13:41 |
| RongHui | bye | 13:41 |
| Yipei | bye | 13:41 |
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| zhiyuan | bye | 13:41 |
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| hejiawei | bye | 13:43 |
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| vkramskikh | #startmeeting javascript | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 12 14:00:39 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vkramskikh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: javascript)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'javascript' | 14:00 |
| msmol | hola | 14:00 |
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| vkramskikh | hi everyone, who's here? | 14:01 |
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| msmol | cardeois is here, he's connecting now | 14:01 |
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| cardeois | hello sorry ! | 14:01 |
| vkramskikh | ok, let's start then | 14:01 |
| vkramskikh | the agenda is here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/javascript-meeting-2016-10-12 | 14:01 |
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| vkramskikh | #topic action item: cardeois to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/381713/ | 14:02 |
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| cardeois | Yep I did | 14:02 |
| vkramskikh | thanks for the review, didn't have time to upload new changes though | 14:02 |
| cardeois | ok cool, I can understand if you're annoyed by my comments | 14:03 |
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| cardeois | it's making you add more tests that we weren't supporting before | 14:03 |
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| vkramskikh | no I understand it would be great to have unit tests there, I just didn't have time to implement tyem | 14:03 |
| cardeois | Maybe this could be done in a separate review, but this actual review is a good occasion | 14:03 |
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| cardeois | alright cool | 14:03 |
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| vkramskikh | #topic action item: krotscheck's things | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "action item: krotscheck's things (Meeting topic: javascript)" | 14:04 | |
| vkramskikh | krotscheck is not here, so let's skip this | 14:04 |
| cardeois | Yeah is krotscheck alright? didn't get any update from him | 14:04 |
| vkramskikh | I also didn't | 14:04 |
| cardeois | ok | 14:04 |
| vkramskikh | #topic action item: everyone to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/381929/ and try to help with docs job failure | 14:05 |
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| vkramskikh | no activity here also | 14:05 |
| msmol | I only had about 30 minutes this week to look into this | 14:05 |
| msmol | in those 30 minutes I made exactly zero progress | 14:05 |
| msmol | =/ | 14:06 |
| cardeois | and I didn't check at all, maybe if we poke people on #openstack-javascript it could help? | 14:06 |
| larainema | hello all | 14:06 |
| msmol | good idea, i'll do that | 14:06 |
| vkramskikh | it could, but last week there was no activity at all :( | 14:06 |
| msmol | hello larainema | 14:06 |
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| cardeois | last review was this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356473/ | 14:06 |
| msmol | i was thinking of trying to get in touch with betherly as well | 14:06 |
| cardeois | Looks like related to the docs issue you get | 14:07 |
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| vkramskikh | ok, I'll put this as an action item for the next meeting | 14:08 |
| vkramskikh | #action everyone to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/381929/ and try to help with docs job failure | 14:08 |
| vkramskikh | #topic vkramskikh's action items | 14:08 |
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| vkramskikh | this week I wasn't able to work on js-openstack-lib, so no progress here unfortunately | 14:08 |
| cardeois | no pb, you're not the only one :) | 14:09 |
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| vkramskikh | code for names support and tokenInfo() call is ready and can be reviewed, I just need to write some unit tests there | 14:09 |
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| vkramskikh | #action vkramskikh to finish keystone patches | 14:10 |
| cardeois | Yeah looks fine for now, expect the tests like you said | 14:10 |
| vkramskikh | cool | 14:10 |
| vkramskikh | #topic open discussion | 14:10 |
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| cardeois | Yeah I've got this review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382677/ | 14:10 |
| cardeois | That implement networkList in OpenStack wrapper class | 14:11 |
| cardeois | I'd like you guys to review it, as it's the first call in OpenStack wrapper that instanciate a component and authenticates | 14:11 |
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| betherly | msmol: hi just reading backlog | 14:11 |
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| cardeois | So I guess the first one is pretty important to agree on | 14:11 |
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| betherly | sorry not been around much! trying to get a ton done before i start at red hat so been stretched | 14:11 |
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| msmol | cool, no worries | 14:12 |
| vkramskikh | cardeois: will try to review, thanks | 14:13 |
| cardeois | cool thanks | 14:13 |
| cardeois | Another thing | 14:13 |
| cardeois | Don't forget guys that we have a story board https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/844 | 14:14 |
| cardeois | And it would be cool to have a MVP https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000729 | 14:14 |
| cardeois | So if anybody want to contribute, feel free to pick a task (thinking of people that don't know how to contribute to this project) | 14:14 |
| cardeois | That's it for me | 14:15 |
| vkramskikh | I believe we should release MVP next week - it's the last week before the summit | 14:15 |
| vkramskikh | however I have no idea how to do this - probably we need krotscheck here | 14:16 |
| cardeois | Yeah but we've definitely not completed. And we don't have the nova component at all | 14:16 |
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| cardeois | Yeah I guess, or we could take his tasks. I guess the main issue being nova doesn't work properly with CORS, but I don't know the details | 14:16 |
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| vkramskikh | cardeois: do you know how to upload the package to npm? | 14:17 |
| cardeois | Mhh no but there was a document somewhere for es-lint-openstack so we could try to add doc + do it | 14:18 |
| cardeois | And if we have issue we could ask to core reviewers of eslint-config-openstack | 14:18 |
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| vkramskikh | not sure if we should release without nova, but AFAIR it was agreed to release as it is | 14:19 |
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| cardeois | oh ok | 14:20 |
| msmol | I think the idea was that regardless of what is finished, we should release before barcelona so we can get people interested | 14:20 |
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| cardeois | so yeah we could try but in that case should we implement all we have in OpenStack wrapper? meaning glance list images, and keystone functions? | 14:20 |
| vkramskikh | I beleive in MVP we could live without this functionality | 14:21 |
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| cardeois | ok | 14:21 |
| vkramskikh | users can import Keystone and other classes directly | 14:21 |
| cardeois | So I'll try to get the documentation for releasing and we'll push just before barcelona | 14:21 |
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| vkramskikh | cool | 14:22 |
| vkramskikh | #action cardeois to figure out how to release js-openstack-lib to npm | 14:22 |
| vkramskikh | anything else? | 14:22 |
| cardeois | Mhh maybe | 14:22 |
| cardeois | I've got a README review (waiting for official doc) | 14:22 |
| cardeois | but maybe I should change it saying the doc will come soon | 14:23 |
| msmol | should we try to check in on krotscheck, make sure he is ok? | 14:23 |
| cardeois | and we at least have a readme in npmjs repo | 14:23 |
| vkramskikh | cardeois: I think it's a good idea, you could also remove WIP label from the review :) | 14:24 |
| cardeois | Yep, I'll do that today | 14:24 |
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| vkramskikh | thanks! | 14:24 |
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| vkramskikh | so if we're done, I'll end the meeting | 14:25 |
| vkramskikh | #endmeeting | 14:25 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 12 14:25:31 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/javascript/2016/javascript.2016-10-12-14.00.html | 14:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/javascript/2016/javascript.2016-10-12-14.00.txt | 14:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/javascript/2016/javascript.2016-10-12-14.00.log.html | 14:25 |
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| Zara | no storyboard meeting this week, as I'd be having a meeting with myself and I can do that whenever | 15:00 |
| Zara | if you had something you intended to raise, say hi in #storyboard! | 15:01 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 12 16:00:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | Ping- | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang1 tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ bluex patrickeast dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n17 karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor baumann rajinir wilson-l reduxio wanghao thrawn01 chris_morrell stevemar watanabe.isao,tommylike.hu mdovgal | 16:00 |
| thingee | o/ | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
| dulek | o/ | 16:00 |
| mtanino | hi | 16:00 |
| geguileo | Hi! | 16:00 |
| xyang1 | hi | 16:00 |
| jgregor | Hello! | 16:00 |
| DuncanT | Hi | 16:00 |
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| Swanson | hello | 16:00 |
| patrickeast | Hi | 16:00 |
| scottda | hi | 16:00 |
| slayer | Hi! | 16:01 |
| _alastor1 | o/ | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:01 |
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| jungleboyj | Hello! | 16:01 |
| bswartz_ | .o/ | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | I've added all topics from the summit planning etherpad to the schedule. | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | All sessions are also added with etherpads here: | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Ocata/Etherpads#Cinder Design Summit sessions | 16:02 |
| flip214 | hi | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | If you are leading any of those discussions, please start adding info there to prepare. | 16:02 |
| e0ne | ok, will do | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | Any extra topics can also be added to our contributor meetup etherpad: | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-cinder-summit-meetup Contributor Meetup Etherpad | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | Just the afternoon on Friday, but we will handle that like the midcycle and just work our way through topics. | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Documentation needs | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Documentation needs (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:04 | |
| smcginnis | So... documentation. | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | Apparently I misunderstood what was being proposed in the past, or things have changed. | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | But just so everyone knows, for any patch that has DocImpact in the commit a bug is automatically created against Cinder when that patch merges. | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | It is up to us (ideally the person submitting the patch) to take that and follow through with adding anything needed to the config guides or other documentation affected. | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | But looking through, I think we are misusing that tag in some cases. | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | The general understanding was any config option change required it. | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | But that is not always the case. | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | Only if additional information needs to be added to go with the config option. | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | Otherwise the config options are automatically generated in tables when the docs are built. | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | So if having it listed in the table is sufficient, no need to put a DocImpact flag in there. | 16:07 |
| geguileo | Good to know | 16:07 |
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| smcginnis | Any questions/concerns? Or did everyone go to get coffee? | 16:07 |
| scottda | smcginnis: I answered your question in the ML about generating help based on microversion. | 16:08 |
| scottda | smcginnis: Did you see that? | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Oh, great. No, not yet. | 16:08 |
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| scottda | smcginnis: And how that affects generation of the docs | 16:08 |
| DuncanT | Is it worth requiring the doc patch to be at least up in draft before we merge, for complex features? | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | scottda: I'll take a look after the meeting. Thanks! | 16:08 |
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| smcginnis | DuncanT: I'd hesitate to make that a hard requirement, but especially for complex features that might be a good pattern to follow. | 16:09 |
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| smcginnis | We also have the api-ref in-tree now. | 16:09 |
| DuncanT | Not as a hard requirement, they usually end up painful, but as a suggestion where it feels necessary | 16:09 |
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| smcginnis | We really should start to enforce including api doc updates along with the api changes themselves. | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: ++ | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: +1 | 16:10 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: +1 | 16:10 |
| bardia | smcginnis: +1 | 16:10 |
| xyang2 | any reviewers for the groups api doc? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/370526/ | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | There's also some talk of moving all docs in tree. I'm a little concerned about that, but something to consider. | 16:10 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis +1 | 16:10 |
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| smcginnis | Then all patches that have a documentation impact can include those updates along with the change. | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | I really don't like the idea of cramming more non-functional stuff into the repo, but there definitely are some benefits to that approach. | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | Not something I'm going to advocate for any time soon though. | 16:12 |
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| smcginnis | I'll move on, but ping me in channel if you have any docimpact questions. I can at least try to answer. | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | #topic Deprecating various extensions, specifically qos-specs | 16:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Deprecating various extensions, specifically qos-specs (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:13 | |
| smcginnis | thingee: Hey | 16:13 |
| thingee | o/ | 16:13 |
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| thingee | hey so I talked about deprecating qos-specs in favor of just using volume type specs | 16:14 |
| thingee | xyang2 mentioned something about three releases for deprecating tables? | 16:14 |
| xyang2 | do we have winston here? | 16:14 |
| xyang2 | thingee: before talking about the deprecation I'd like to get winston's input as he implemented it | 16:14 |
| DuncanT | thingee: I wasn't around for that discussion, what is the justification? There's already a *lot* of stuff in volume type specs | 16:14 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: because that's where it belongs and what it does anyway :) | 16:15 |
| xyang2 | I found these two original patches by winston: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29737/, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/42521/ | 16:15 |
| thingee | but it would still be fine for me to just remove qos_specs_manage from contrib and give a warning if it's loaded in cinder.api.extensions? | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: so in all seriousness, the justification was that there tends to be some confusion on "which" method should be used | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | thingee: I would think that would be OK. | 16:16 |
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| DuncanT | jgriffith: Is throwing everything into one pot really helping make things even slightly usable / understandable? | 16:16 |
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| xyang2 | you can't just remove it | 16:16 |
| thingee | and I can leave the table around with some migration script to volume type specs. | 16:16 |
| xyang2 | there are drivers that have implemented it | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: To turn it around, why does that need its own api? | 16:16 |
| xyang2 | some drivers will be broken if you just remove them | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: we can chat on the side if it distracts the conversation but yes IMO optional things like that are better in one place rather than 2 | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | xyang2: I think after 1 cycle being marked deprecated. | 16:17 |
| xyang2 | I'd like to get winston's comments on this | 16:17 |
| dulek | thingee: Yup, we should do it in a way guaranteeing backward compatibility, but it's possible to move that into another table quite quickly (only c-api can modify QoS specs, right?). | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | xyang2: Yeah, that would be good to get his input. | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | xyang2: yeah, that would be good. I do remember that part of the reasoning was to be able to modify the qos without retyping the volume | 16:17 |
| DuncanT | I'd really like to defer this decision until after spain, I'm not sure IRC has enough bandwidth to actually get a decent discussion | 16:17 |
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| jgriffith | xyang2: but that doesn't really work that way either | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: +1 That makes sense. | 16:18 |
| thingee | ok so I'll throw the warning in the file itself to stop using it and instruction to use the migration script and use volume type specs. | 16:18 |
| thingee | ok with that aside, I wanted to talk about the other stuff in contrib | 16:18 |
| thingee | is there anything in there that really needs to be an extension? | 16:18 |
| thingee | whoa serious lag | 16:18 |
| * thingee catches up | 16:18 | |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: It was also so the you didn't have to specify the whole of the QoS details for every type | 16:18 |
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| xyang2 | jgriffith: there's a front end and backend | 16:18 |
| thingee | dulek: I doubt there are that many to move over, really. lets be realistic | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | xyang2: yes, I'm aware | 16:18 |
| xyang2 | jgriffith: in nova, there is qos specs which is front end | 16:19 |
| scottda | thingee: We'd discussed moving things from contrib -> core if they are supported by all drivers. | 16:19 |
| scottda | thingee: But maybe not things like consistency_groups | 16:19 |
| thingee | scottda: ok good to know, so there are quite a bit of things that I can move over. | 16:19 |
| scottda | Or replication? | 16:19 |
| dulek | thingee: Sure, I'll be happy to help work out the DB migration strategy if we want that. | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | scottda: thingee I'd like to talk about changing that whole structure we have altogether if we could | 16:19 |
| xyang2 | scottda: no need to move consistency groups. we will migrate them to groups any way. actually part of CG is already in v3 | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | I think we're doing it wrong and should fix it sooner rather than later | 16:20 |
| thingee | smcginnis: ok I think I have the information I need, thanks | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | LOL | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | ok | 16:21 |
| xyang2 | smcginnis: I mean if we make a decision to get rid of it, we need to make sure all drivers change the implementation to use volume types instead. we need to give driver maintainers development time | 16:21 |
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| smcginnis | xyang2: Oh, right. Definitely. | 16:21 |
| scottda | jgriffith: you mean this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1627921 | 16:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1627921 in Cinder "clean up API versions" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | xyang2: I think we've tabled that and moved on to the contrib discussion | 16:21 |
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| smcginnis | thingee: Thanks! | 16:21 |
| thingee | xyang2: I don't think there are too many. happy to do it myself | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | scottda: yes | 16:21 |
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| xyang2 | thingee: it needs code change in the driver, not just removing it | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | scottda: so as someobody that's been writing things to consume our API's lately I think we have some room for improvement | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | This is probably one of those things we should at least have a quick discussion on Friday afternoon for. | 16:22 |
| xyang2 | thingee: the keys need to be changed | 16:22 |
| thingee | xyang2: not sure you're reading what I said. I said I would change the drivers myself | 16:22 |
| thingee | it's not that complicated and not too many instances as you're making it out to be | 16:22 |
| scottda | jgriffith: That sounds good to me at first pass. | 16:22 |
| xyang2 | thingee: once they are moved to volume types, I think they need to be scoped, etc | 16:22 |
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| xyang2 | thingee: I think that is a change that need to be validated by the storage backend | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | scottda: ok, I guess at this point you and I should just talk about it in Barcelona maybe? | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | scottda: not like I'm going to work on it between now and then | 16:23 |
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| scottda | jgriffith: I reckon so. It's probably going to take until P release anyway. | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | scottda: no way! | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | #topic Open discussion | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | O-3 targetted | 16:24 |
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| smcginnis | We have a cross project session related to proprietary libs and things. | 16:24 |
| xyang2 | thingee: also documentation has instructions on using qos specs | 16:24 |
| xyang2 | thingee: driver doc | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | I've updated the etherpad we started with what I could find here: | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-brick-driver-externals | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | External libs are left highlighted. | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | Please take a look and see if I missed anything that you are aware of. | 16:25 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, I have talking to other CP Liaisons and we should have decent representation from other projects there | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-brick-driver-externals Proprietary lib info | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: Great! I think it will be a good discussion if we have a good mix there. | 16:26 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis yeah I have ironic, Manila, and Nova for sure. | 16:26 |
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| xyang2 | thingee: for example, this doc explains in detail how to use qos specs for the VMAX driver: http://docs.openstack.org/newton/config-reference/block-storage/drivers/emc-vmax-driver.html | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | Oh, any objection to skipping next weeks meeting? I'll be in Barcelona already, and I know travel will be starting for some others as well. | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: That is good for me. | 16:28 |
| bardia | smcginnis: +1 | 16:28 |
| xyang2 | diablo_rojo: that session has the latest Tuesday afternoon spot | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | I can wait until Monday or Tuesday and see if any important topics come too, if that helps. | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj, bardia: Cool, thanks. | 16:28 |
| thingee | xyang2: it sure does | 16:28 |
| xyang2 | diablo_rojo: overlapping with booth crawl | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | I'll wait to send out something to the ML until early next week just in case anything important does come up. | 16:28 |
| diablo_rojo | xyang2, Oh noes. | 16:29 |
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| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: dang it! | 16:29 |
| xyang2 | I think booth crawl is 5-7 | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | Nooooo!!!! | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | No official party this year either I hear. | 16:29 |
| diablo_rojo | You are correct. | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | So no evening events? | 16:30 |
| dulek | jungleboyj: We'll do a Cinder one I guess. ;) | 16:30 |
| xyang2 | smcginnis: saving money? | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | I'm sure there's going to be smaller ones. | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | dulek: ++ | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | dulek: +A | 16:30 |
| DuncanT | Time to go find the next big thing that people are throwing money at.... | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | xyang2: I guess so. | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: :-( | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: ;) | 16:30 |
| dulek | DuncanT: :D | 16:30 |
| diablo_rojo | DuncanT :) | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | Well kids ... it's been fun. ;-) | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | Tentatively, Cinder meetup Tuesday evening? | 16:31 |
| scottda | DuncanT: For parties maybe you should be a wedding planner? | 16:31 |
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| smcginnis | scottda: And dance instructor. :) | 16:31 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: And Wednesday night and Thursday night and ... | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Sold | 16:31 |
| scottda | Don't we know someone in Spain that might help with social planning? | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | scottda: ;) | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | OK, anything else meeting worthy? | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | Or can I go get some lunch? :) | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | OK, thanks everyone! | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:33 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 12 16:33:42 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-10-12-16.00.html | 16:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-10-12-16.00.txt | 16:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-10-12-16.00.log.html | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 16:33 |
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| jlvillal | #startmeeting ironic_qa | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 12 17:02:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jlvillal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic_qa)" | 17:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_qa' | 17:02 |
| mjturek | o/ | 17:02 |
| sambetts | o/ | 17:02 |
| watanabe_isao | o/ | 17:02 |
| jlvillal | Sorry I'm late. Got distracted fixing a bug :( | 17:02 |
| [1]cdearborn | o/ | 17:02 |
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| jlvillal | As always the agenda is at: | 17:03 |
| * jlvillal fights with Synergy | 17:03 | |
| jroll | \o | 17:03 |
| jlvillal | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-QA | 17:03 |
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| jlvillal | #topic Announcements | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: ironic_qa)" | 17:03 | |
| jlvillal | #info Xenial fix for ironic-lib was done. Thanks vsaienk0 | 17:04 |
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| jroll | ++ | 17:04 |
| jlvillal | #info New version of ironic-lib broke ironic unit tests. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1632762 Almost fixed | 17:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1632762 in Ironic "Unit tests fail with ironic-lib 2.2.0" [Critical,New] | 17:04 |
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| clarkb | is that related to slow iscsi io? | 17:04 |
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| jroll | clarkb: no, bad mocks in unit tests | 17:05 |
| clarkb | ah | 17:05 |
| jlvillal | clarkb: No. That was because we got sort of wonky unit tests. | 17:05 |
| jroll | clarkb: the iscsi thing turned out to be MTU problems | 17:05 |
| jroll | and is fixed | 17:05 |
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| jlvillal | clarkb: What jroll said on MTU | 17:05 |
| clarkb | thanks | 17:05 |
| jlvillal | clarkb: FYI: https://review.openstack.org/385433 | 17:06 |
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| jlvillal | #info patch proposed to enable Xenial for ironic-lib https://review.openstack.org/385433 | 17:06 |
| jlvillal | Anything else? | 17:06 |
| jlvillal | Okay. Moving on then. | 17:06 |
| jlvillal | #topic Multi-node Grenade | 17:06 |
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| jlvillal | #info Multiple patches are in the queue to get reviewed. Last I checked the multinode test was green with the entire patch series. | 17:07 |
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| jlvillal | I don't have much to add there. I am working on setting up a local test environment for multi-node so I can test the patches and then be ready for adding Grenade to it. | 17:08 |
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| jlvillal | Any questions/comments? | 17:08 |
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| jlvillal | Okay moving on | 17:09 |
| jlvillal | #topic 3rd Party CI from krtaylor | 17:09 |
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| jlvillal | krtaylor: The floor is yours. | 17:09 |
| jlvillal | sambetts: Can you start us off as I don't see krtaylor | 17:09 |
| jlvillal | sambetts: jroll: On the agenda is some questions from watanabe_isao | 17:10 |
| * jroll looks at agenda | 17:10 | |
| sambetts | So, there were several breakages last week caused by the SUBNETPOOL_PREFIX issue in devstack | 17:10 |
| sambetts | the Cisco CI still hasn't recovered fully | 17:10 |
| watanabe_isao | mostly I think we should make it clear and my advice, I have write it in the agenda. | 17:10 |
| jroll | watanabe_isao: I agree, I've been working on a draft for some of this | 17:11 |
| jroll | I'm sorry I've been slow about it | 17:11 |
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| sambetts | they have merged a fix into devstack to be able to optionally disable subnetpools now so that should help | 17:11 |
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| jlvillal | sambetts: I know clarkb has been pushing on getting a fix for that. | 17:11 |
| sambetts | ++ | 17:12 |
| clarkb | I think the neutron team has a better understanding of the issue after the most recent discussion so hopefully we can get to a place that makes them happy | 17:12 |
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| sambetts | awesome | 17:12 |
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| watanabe_isao | jroll, what I am most worry about is we don't have a tool to check the CI reply time. | 17:12 |
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| jroll | watanabe_isao: yeah, it's sad. someone could build one, or extend ci-watch. :) | 17:13 |
| jroll | I don't expect us to be super strict about runtime | 17:13 |
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| sambetts | with regards to the result turnover for a third party CI, I don't think we yet enforce a return time on the ironic ones, but we have discussed what is a resonable time frame in the past | 17:14 |
| jroll | but we need to have some sort of rules, waiting more than 8 hours isn't useful | 17:14 |
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| watanabe_isao | jroll, and about the pass/fail rates, it is not mentioned in the space, but if all drivers update their CI account in Driverlog, it would be easier to check for that in stakalitics. | 17:15 |
| jroll | watanabe_isao: cool | 17:16 |
| watanabe_isao | irmc has done that, it is pretty easy. | 17:16 |
| jroll | yeah, krtaylor had updated some of them, I think | 17:17 |
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| jroll | anything else on this topic? | 17:19 |
| jlvillal | Anything else? | 17:19 |
| watanabe_isao | jroll, sambetts, about the reasonable time, | 17:19 |
| watanabe_isao | it changed day by day. | 17:19 |
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| jroll | what changed? | 17:20 |
| watanabe_isao | do we have a max patch set per day target to clear for the 8/4 hours time? | 17:20 |
| sambetts | From the spec: Tests will be expected to complete and report back to gerrit within 8 hours of the patch submission until the end of Newton release and within 4 hours by the end of Ocata development cycle. | 17:20 |
| jroll | watanabe_isao: what do you mean by max patch set per day? | 17:21 |
| jlvillal | watanabe_isao: I would assume it should be able to keep up with the patches that are submitted. Not sure how many is normal per day. | 17:21 |
| jroll | watanabe_isao: it's every patch that touches code | 17:21 |
| jroll | there's no "max", just "all" | 17:21 |
| sambetts | http://graphite.openstack.org/render/?width=586&height=308&_salt=1447868663.13&lineMode=connected&from=00:00_20141115&until=23:59_20151118&target=summarize%28stats_counts.zuul.pipeline.check.openstack.ironic.total_changes,%20%271d%27%29 | 17:21 |
| jroll | sambetts: ++ | 17:21 |
| watanabe_isao | sambetts, thanks, I am asking this. | 17:22 |
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| sambetts | the time scales on that graph need updating but thats what we based the spec on | 17:22 |
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| sambetts | so as you can see it needs to deal with spikes of 35+ patches and still return within 8hours for all of them | 17:23 |
| jroll | http://graphite.openstack.org/render/?width=586&height=308&_salt=1447868663.13&lineMode=connected&from=00:00_20151115&until=23:59_20161118&target=summarize(stats_counts.zuul.pipeline.check.openstack.ironic.total_changes,%20%271d%27) | 17:23 |
| jroll | D: | 17:23 |
| sambetts | thats 8hrs each btw | 17:23 |
| jroll | that has... dramatically increased | 17:23 |
| sambetts | jroll: woah... | 17:23 |
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| jroll | hm | 17:24 |
| * jroll needs to put some thought into this | 17:24 | |
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| jroll | that seems... high | 17:24 |
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| watanabe_isao | jroll, sambetts, so the document patched included? | 17:24 |
| jlvillal | Of course if someone uploads the same patch five times in a 5 minute period. It should kill the running job each time a new revision appears. | 17:24 |
| jroll | watanabe_isao: yes, that graph is all patches | 17:24 |
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| watanabe_isao | jroll, thanks, however 600 per day is a big number... | 17:27 |
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| sambetts | I'm not sure that it right, there are definatly not 600 patch messages in the ironic irc channel | 17:27 |
| jroll | yeah, something is off there | 17:27 |
| jroll | watanabe_isao: like I said, I need to put some thought into this | 17:28 |
| watanabe_isao | jroll, sure. | 17:28 |
| jroll | it does seem we've been posting about 100 patchsets per day, though | 17:28 |
| jroll | though if you imagine one hour per CI job, that's only 4 per hour, so 4 simultaneous runs | 17:29 |
| jroll | I don't think that's unreasonable | 17:29 |
| watanabe_isao | jroll, if one driver has 3 sub drivers, it makes it from 4 to 12 nodes. | 17:30 |
| jroll | watanabe_isao: right, I don't think that's an unreasonable amount of hardware | 17:30 |
| jroll | anyway, I will think about this a bit and try to write something up | 17:30 |
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| jroll | watanabe_isao: oh, and if the rule is 4 hours, divide it by 4 | 17:31 |
| jroll | so 1-3 nodes | 17:31 |
| * sambetts is going to have to drop, sorry guys, see you later | 17:31 | |
| jroll | if runtimes can be kept to one hour | 17:31 |
| jroll | later sambetts :) | 17:31 |
| jlvillal | sambetts: Thanks! | 17:31 |
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| watanabe_isao | sambetts, bye. | 17:32 |
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| jroll | watanabe_isao: does that help? make sense? | 17:34 |
| jroll | we need to tweak the rules, I suspect | 17:34 |
| watanabe_isao | jroll, I don't quite get the divide it by 4, I was thinking you mean that 4 patchset per hour comes at max, when it is 100 patchset per day? | 17:34 |
| jroll | watanabe_isao: yeah, thinking more, ignore that | 17:34 |
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| watanabe_isao | jroll, and if a CI test can make sure itself be done in 1 hour, then the 8 or 4 conditions are just the same. | 17:36 |
| jroll | watanabe_isao: yeah, I was wrong, I need more analysis to actually tell what this means (because patches aren't evenly distributed across time) | 17:36 |
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| jroll | watanabe_isao: but otherwise, does this make sense | 17:38 |
| jroll | ? | 17:38 |
| watanabe_isao | jroll, yes we are considering the "100 patchsets" are been post int he American time half day(12 hours) which means it may not be 4 per hour but 8 per hours. | 17:38 |
| jroll | right | 17:39 |
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| jlvillal | Europe time zone pastes often too. Seems like more of a 12-16 hour period. | 17:39 |
| jlvillal | s/pastes/posts/ | 17:39 |
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| jroll | so beyond "jroll needs to analyze, think, and write about this" is there anything else on this topic? | 17:40 |
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| watanabe_isao | jroll, I'm ok, and waiting for your answer about this. :) | 17:41 |
| jroll | ok, thanks for bringing it up :) | 17:41 |
| jroll | jlvillal: let's move on :) | 17:41 |
| jlvillal | jroll: Thanks | 17:41 |
| jlvillal | #topic Opens | 17:41 |
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| jlvillal | Anyone have anything? | 17:41 |
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| jroll | see dmitry's ML post? | 17:42 |
| jroll | people should read that thing :) | 17:42 |
| jlvillal | #info ironic gate is now working again. Unit tests are fixed. | 17:42 |
| * jlvillal looks and says Ah | 17:42 | |
| jlvillal | #info dtantsur has proposed consolidating and extending Ironic CI jobs | 17:43 |
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| jlvillal | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-October/105558.html | 17:44 |
| jlvillal | #info Jordon Pittier is trying to remove Ironic jobs from Tempest | 17:44 |
| jlvillal | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-October/105598.html | 17:45 |
| jroll | hrm | 17:45 |
| jroll | thiagop was working on that | 17:45 |
| jroll | whatever happened to him? | 17:45 |
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| * jlvillal doesn't know | 17:45 | |
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| jroll | that email went to my spam O_o | 17:46 |
| jlvillal | :( | 17:46 |
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| jlvillal | jroll: For me Gmail says: This message was not sent to Spam because of a filter you created. Edit Filters | 17:46 |
| * jlvillal had made filter that said never send openstack-dev email to spam. | 17:46 | |
| jroll | oh, neat | 17:47 |
| jlvillal | Anything else to discuss? | 17:47 |
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| * jroll suddenly realizes he isn't in -qa D: | 17:47 | |
| jroll | I have nothing | 17:47 |
| jlvillal | heh | 17:47 |
| jlvillal | Okay. Thanks everyone! | 17:47 |
| jlvillal | #endmeeting | 17:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 12 17:48:05 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-10-12-17.02.html | 17:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-10-12-17.02.txt | 17:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-10-12-17.02.log.html | 17:48 |
| jroll | thanks jlvillal | 17:48 |
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| watanabe_isao | thanks jlvillal | 17:48 |
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| bh526r | #startmeeting gluon | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 12 18:00:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bh526r. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gluon' | 18:00 |
| bh526r | Hi guys | 18:00 |
| bh526r | #topic Roll Call and Introduction | 18:01 |
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| bh526r | #info Bin Hu | 18:01 |
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| tomhambleton | #info Tom Hambleton | 18:01 |
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| bh526r | please info your name | 18:02 |
| rob__ | #info Robert Tao | 18:02 |
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| bh526r | #topic Admin Update | 18:02 |
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| bh526r | #info Gluon Work Session in Barcelona: Friday, October 28, 9:50am-10:30am (up to 11:00am). Room 122 | 18:02 |
| bh526r | #link http://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/global-search?t=Gluon%3A | 18:03 |
| bh526r | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Ocata/Etherpads#Gluon | 18:03 |
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| krenczewski | #info Kamil Renczewski | 18:04 |
| bh526r | #topic Session Topic in Nova and Neutron | 18:04 |
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| bh526r | #info Many thanks to Matt, and we will discuss Gluon topic in https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/16937 | 18:04 |
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| bh526r | #info Time: Thursday, October 27, 5:30pm-6:10pm | 18:05 |
| bh526r | #info Venue: CCIB - Centre de Convencions Internacional de Barcelona - P1 - Room 122/123 | 18:06 |
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| jinli | #info JinLi | 18:06 |
| bh526r | #info All nova sessions are listed https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/global-search?t=Nova%3A | 18:06 |
| bh526r | #info And links to etherpad: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Ocata/Etherpads#Nova | 18:07 |
| bh526r | #info Prior Nova planning etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-nova-summit-ideas | 18:07 |
| bh526r | #info Regarding Neutron, prior Neutron planning etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-neutron-summit-ideas | 18:08 |
| bh526r | #info All Neutrons are listed https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/global-search?t=Neutron%3A | 18:08 |
| bh526r | #info And links to etherpad agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Ocata/Etherpads#Neutron | 18:08 |
| bh526r | #info We will also take the opportunity of contributor meetup in the afternoon of Friday Oct 28 to discuss | 18:09 |
| bh526r | #info Neutron contributor meetup: Friday Oct 28 14:00 - 18:00 (Room 114) Meetup Neutron: Contributors meetup | 18:10 |
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| bh526r | #info Nova contributor meetup: Friday Oct 28 2:00pm-6:00pm - Contributors meetup (Room 115) | 18:11 |
| bh526r | #topic Tracking Progress of PoC | 18:12 |
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| bh526r | Robert - do you want to share anything? | 18:12 |
| rob__ | Yes to give team a breif update | 18:12 |
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| rob__ | ONOS Gluon POC is still in progress coding is 70% including shim layer, VPN implementation in both ONOS and forwarder (using OVS) | 18:13 |
| bh526r | #info ONOS Gluon POC is still in progress coding is 70% including shim layer, VPN implementation in both ONOS and forwarder (using OVS) | 18:14 |
| rob__ | I will send out a POC document later with demo steps of course. Hopefully this week | 18:14 |
| bh526r | #info Robert will send out a POC document with demo steps later this week | 18:14 |
| bh526r | Great job, Robert. Thank you | 18:15 |
| rob__ | This is it from me. | 18:15 |
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| bh526r | I assume Tom, and Niko are also still working on deploying the PoC. | 18:16 |
| tomhambleton | Yes, I am going to install the etcd/proton-server/gluonplugin on the Pharos by Friday afternoon | 18:17 |
| bh526r | #info Preliminary code was merged. Tom, Niko, Kamil, etc. are working in progress of deploying the code in blades | 18:17 |
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| bh526r | #info Tom will install the etcd/proton-server/gluonplugin on the Pharos by Friday afternoon | 18:17 |
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| bh526r | Great. | 18:18 |
| bh526r | Anyone else have update? | 18:19 |
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| bh526r | I know Jin has drafted a test case document. | 18:19 |
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| bh526r | And Jin also opened a bug report in launchpad, and working on the fix | 18:19 |
| bh526r | #info Jin has drafted a test case document. Jin will push to repo for review | 18:20 |
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| bh526r | #info Jin also opened a bug report in launchpad, and working on the fix. Once complete it, Jin will push to repo for review | 18:20 |
| jinli | I committed fix for the bug | 18:21 |
| jinli | it is simple fix | 18:21 |
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| bh526r | Did you use git review to submit the patch? | 18:21 |
| jinli | yes | 18:21 |
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| jinli | it is under gerrit for review now | 18:22 |
| jinli | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385133/ | 18:22 |
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| bh526r | great. | 18:23 |
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| bh526r | I just added Tom, Kamal, Niko and Ian as reviewers | 18:24 |
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| tomhambleton | I +2'ed it | 18:25 |
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| bh526r | great. I also +2'ed | 18:26 |
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| bh526r | Thank you Jin and Tom for great work | 18:26 |
| jinli | thank you Tom and bin | 18:27 |
| bh526r | BTW, Robert, once it is merged, you may want to update your local code | 18:27 |
| bh526r | Anyone else has other update? | 18:28 |
| bh526r | #info Jin has pushed the patch | 18:28 |
| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385133/ | 18:28 |
| bh526r | #info Ian is on vacation, Georg is on vacation, and it is late for Niko in Europe, so no more update | 18:29 |
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| bh526r | Anything else you want to discuss? | 18:29 |
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| bh526r | If nothing else, we can adjourn the meeting and give back 30 minutes to everyone | 18:30 |
| rob__ | which are going to barcerlona? | 18:30 |
| bh526r | #info meeting adjourned | 18:30 |
| rob__ | who, sorry. | 18:30 |
| rob__ | I am. everyone else? | 18:31 |
| tomhambleton | Bye all! | 18:31 |
| tomhambleton | I will be in Barcelona | 18:31 |
| bh526r | of course, everyone needs to update local copy of code once Jin's patch is merged | 18:31 |
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| bh526r | Thank you Tom, and see you in Barcelona | 18:31 |
| rob__ | See you | 18:31 |
| bh526r | Bye all and see you in Barcelona | 18:32 |
| bh526r | #endmeeting | 18:32 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 12 18:32:23 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2016/gluon.2016-10-12-18.00.html | 18:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2016/gluon.2016-10-12-18.00.txt | 18:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2016/gluon.2016-10-12-18.00.log.html | 18:32 |
| krenczewski | thanks bye | 18:33 |
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| DevonBoatwright | Is there a docs meeting today? I don't see an agenda. | 19:04 |
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| njohnston | loquacities mentioned "We will take a short break and resume the normal meeting schedule after Summit" in her most recent "What | 19:06 |
| njohnston | 's Up Doc" email | 19:06 |
| abashmak | thanks njohnston | 19:06 |
| njohnston | np | 19:06 |
| DevonBoatwright | Thanks | 19:07 |
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| ekhugen | #startmeeting wos-mentoring | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 12 20:00:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekhugen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: wos-mentoring)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'wos_mentoring' | 20:00 |
| * diablo_rojo waves | 20:00 | |
| CarolBarrett | Hi | 20:00 |
| * ekhugen waves to diablo_rojo and CarolBarrett | 20:00 | |
| diablo_rojo | :) | 20:01 |
| aimeeu | good day! | 20:01 |
| ekhugen | hi aimeeu! | 20:01 |
| ekhugen | anyone else here for wos-mentoring? | 20:01 |
| ildikov | o/ | 20:02 |
| ekhugen | hi ildikov! | 20:02 |
| ekhugen | #topic Speed Mentoring | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Speed Mentoring (Meeting topic: wos-mentoring)" | 20:02 | |
| ekhugen | so I haven't heard back from the foundation what our current signup numbers are yet | 20:02 |
| ekhugen | I know Nicole wanted all the baseball card info by Friday | 20:03 |
| CarolBarrett | That's too bad | 20:03 |
| diablo_rojo | Who did you ask ekhugen ? | 20:04 |
| CarolBarrett | I have gotten limited responses to the email I sent to the volunteer mentors - no bball card info yet... | 20:04 |
| ekhugen | diablo_rojo I sent an email to erin disney | 20:04 |
| diablo_rojo | ekhugen, let me see if I can get the number for you. | 20:05 |
| ekhugen | carolbarrett last year I think we took info from the mentoring surveys, but I don't know if all our mentors this year are also signed up on the form | 20:05 |
| CarolBarrett | I'll send a reminder email tomorrow, for the Friday deadline. If we don't get responses, we can see about cobbling the info together. | 20:06 |
| CarolBarrett | Are there any new Mentor volunteers? | 20:06 |
| ekhugen | I will look though and see if there's any information in the forms we can use | 20:06 |
| CarolBarrett | Sounds good - Thanks | 20:06 |
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| ekhugen | hopefully diablo_rojo will tell us shortly if there are any new mentors on the list | 20:07 |
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| diablo_rojo | We have 22 people signed up for the Speed Mentoring session | 20:07 |
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| diablo_rojo | Let me check on mentor/mentee signups. | 20:08 |
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| diablo_rojo | We have 36 mentors/mentees | 20:08 |
| ekhugen | wow, that's a pretty big jump, can you send me and carol the list of mentor names and emails, please? | 20:09 |
| CarolBarrett | Good Stuff | 20:09 |
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| diablo_rojo | give me email addresses and I will share the spreadsheet with you :) | 20:09 |
| diablo_rojo | Emily I think you are already on it. | 20:10 |
| ekhugen | cool, thanks diablo_rojo | 20:10 |
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| aimeeu | +1 | 20:10 |
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| diablo_rojo | You guys should have access now. | 20:11 |
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| CarolBarrett_ | Sorry, had to drop and rejoin. Can you repost the link? | 20:12 |
| ekhugen | so we'll see, but hopefully we'll have an equal mix of mentors in career and technical, do we need to have a threshhold number to have two separate groups? | 20:12 |
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| diablo_rojo | CarolBarrett_, I added you to the spreadsheet so you should have an email about it :) | 20:12 |
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| CarolBarrett_ | Thanks - Just got it | 20:12 |
| diablo_rojo | Cool :) | 20:13 |
| ekhugen | oh sorry, that's the mentoring form, erin had one that just showed the RSVPs for the Speed Mentoring session | 20:13 |
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| diablo_rojo | Oh, let me see if I can get access to that. | 20:13 |
| ekhugen | she just sent me a summary, she didn't give me access to a spreadsheet | 20:13 |
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| CarolBarrett_ | It looks like there are 12 Mentors | 20:14 |
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| CarolBarrett_ | ekhugen: should I send the email to the new mentor signups? | 20:15 |
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| ekhugen | right, those people may or may not have signed up for Speed mentoring though | 20:15 |
| CarolBarrett_ | ohhhhh | 20:15 |
| ekhugen | sorry, too many spreadsheets | 20:15 |
| diablo_rojo | Some of them may have indicated wanting to help with other events though | 20:16 |
| diablo_rojo | Second to last question in the survey | 20:16 |
| ekhugen | yes, so last week I did reach out to the mentors signed up to ask if they wanted to do upstream university | 20:17 |
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| ekhugen | and we got a couple, I'll probably send out another email this week to the new mentor signups, I think ildikov still needs mentors for that, right? | 20:17 |
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| ildikov | ekhugen: yeap, that's correct | 20:18 |
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| ildikov | ekhugen: we have people for Monday, we're short on Sunday | 20:18 |
| ekhugen | I can mention speed mentoring too in that email | 20:18 |
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| ekhugen | okay, I'll mention that in the email too | 20:19 |
| ildikov | ekhugen: thank you! | 20:19 |
| Nicole | Quick clarification ... How many do we have for the speed mentoring session on Monday? | 20:19 |
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| diablo_rojo | Nicole, 22 people signed up. Not sure what the breakdown is exactly. | 20:19 |
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| ekhugen | so with the small number of signups, do we still want to have two groups, for career and technical mentoring? | 20:20 |
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| CarolBarrett_ | Can we make that call next week? Do you recall whether the sign-ups came in just before the Austin summit too? | 20:21 |
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| ekhugen | carolbarrett_ I think we can wait until next week, I think for austin we were tracking more by this time | 20:22 |
| diablo_rojo | Looks like 7 of the signups said they were mentors. | 20:22 |
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| ekhugen | so that's just one more than we had on our list, right? | 20:23 |
| Nicole_ | Excellent, thanks! | 20:23 |
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| diablo_rojo | I *think* so | 20:23 |
| Nicole_ | And I think the request for mentor stats/data went out earlier, with a due date of this Friday. Carol distributed. | 20:23 |
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| ekhugen | Nicole_ can you take info next week as well? | 20:24 |
| CarolBarrett_ | Yes | 20:24 |
| diablo_rojo | So maybe we need to poke at our mentors and ask for the bbcard data? | 20:24 |
| ekhugen | I think carol mentioned she was planning to do that | 20:24 |
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| CarolBarrett_ | diablo_rojo: I was planning to send a note tomorrow as a reminder | 20:24 |
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| diablo_rojo | Way ahead of me :) | 20:25 |
| ekhugen | thanks CarolBarrett_ diablo_rojo can you send her the 7th mentor signup name/email, please? | 20:25 |
| Nicole_ | Next Monday is the latest to make our print run date for the bb cards. | 20:25 |
| ekhugen | the 17th? | 20:26 |
| Nicole_ | I'll be handcarrying them over. | 20:26 |
| CarolBarrett_ | It's going to be tight! | 20:26 |
| Nicole_ | Yes, Mon, 17th. | 20:26 |
| Nicole_ | Let me know if I need to negotiate a rush / workaround. | 20:26 |
| diablo_rojo | ekhugen, On it. | 20:27 |
| ekhugen | okay, I think we actually have a good number of mentors for the number of mentees right now | 20:27 |
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| ekhugen | I'm not sure that we need to ask for more mentors, right? | 20:27 |
| CarolBarrett_ | Do we know the balance for tech/career across mentees and mentors? | 20:27 |
| Nicole_ | How many mentors did we have in Austin? | 20:27 |
| diablo_rojo | I think the ratio is good. More mentees would be nice, but I think that with this proportion there will be a higher quality of interaction. | 20:28 |
| Nicole_ | yes, agree, it does seem so. | 20:28 |
| ekhugen | in Austin I think we had like 20 | 20:29 |
| ekhugen | but then we had about 75 signups | 20:29 |
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| Nicole_ | And Austin was the first speed mentoring session, right? So, maybe we're simply seeing a difference in domestic vs international? | 20:29 |
| ekhugen | yes, that's correct | 20:30 |
| diablo_rojo | To be fair, IBM, HPE and now Mirantis are all doing huge layoffs so the attendance will be less in Barcelona than Austin | 20:30 |
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| CarolBarrett_ | Tough times! | 20:30 |
| aimeeu | so is AT&T, and we are sending only a small group | 20:31 |
| ekhugen | is overall attendance much less? I wonder too if we aren't seeing as many new people as in Austin | 20:31 |
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| * aimeeu apologizes to all for sneaking away to an appointment | 20:31 | |
| ekhugen | thanks aimeeu | 20:31 |
| ekhugen | let us know if you have any questions! | 20:31 |
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| ekhugen | okay, so we have this presentation for the mentor call next week https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1lkt5NAhhFnGgRFuOCoiliJLJDxo1tAWle0dkYhvxnm8/edit#slide=id.g110437b82a_0_0 | 20:32 |
| ekhugen | that goes over the basic flow, are there any questions about that? | 20:32 |
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| ekhugen | I think Nicole's bringing the baseball cards and the lanyards | 20:32 |
| ekhugen | I'm bringing a bell | 20:33 |
| ekhugen | Nicole are you bringing table numbers? | 20:33 |
| CarolBarrett_ | I think the slides look good! | 20:34 |
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| ekhugen | oops nicole_ are you bringing table numbers? | 20:34 |
| Nicole_ | yes | 20:35 |
| ekhugen | awesome | 20:35 |
| ekhugen | anything else that anyone can think of that we need to bring? | 20:35 |
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| CarolBarrett_ | nothing comes to mind | 20:35 |
| Nicole_ | and reconfirming -- we're also bringing the baseball cards & jeweled lanyards. | 20:36 |
| ekhugen | diablo_rojo, I hate to keep asking for spreadsheet links, but Megan didn't join this week, do you have the follow-up survey results? | 20:36 |
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| ekhugen | sounds good Nicole_ | 20:36 |
| Nicole_ | re the baseball cards, any insight into print quantity per mentor? | 20:37 |
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| ekhugen | well if we have roughly 15 mentee signups right now | 20:37 |
| diablo_rojo | Let me see if I have access to that one myself. | 20:37 |
| ekhugen | to be safe, let's assume double that | 20:38 |
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| ekhugen | so each table would have 4-5 mentees, and if we do 3 rotations, that's 15 mentees per mentor | 20:38 |
| ekhugen | so 15 of each baseball card sound good? | 20:38 |
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| Nicole_ | sounds good! | 20:39 |
| Nicole_ | actually, we'll print 20 per mentor, to be safe ... i think it's 4 cards per sheet. | 20:40 |
| ekhugen | okay, and I'll look into whether we have any mentors or mentees who can share their experiences, based on the responses to the follow up survey | 20:40 |
| ekhugen | anything else for speed mentoring? | 20:41 |
| CarolBarrett_ | nothing from me | 20:41 |
| ekhugen | okay, I think maybe time-wise we should skip to upstream university | 20:41 |
| ekhugen | #topic upstream university | 20:42 |
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| ekhugen | ildikov, anything you want to talk about with that, other than the need for mentors on sunday? | 20:42 |
| ildikov | that's the main thing | 20:42 |
| ekhugen | okay, any other questions on upstream? | 20:43 |
| ildikov | we are getting better with the content, will give a thought of the agenda and timing of the modules and breaks | 20:43 |
| ildikov | as I said earlier Sunday is more of an issue | 20:43 |
| ildikov | but we could use more people overall | 20:43 |
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| ildikov | we have over 60 people signed up for the training | 20:43 |
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| ekhugen | wow, so that's tracking even more people than austin, right? | 20:44 |
| ildikov | I'll contact them tomorrow the latest and try to get confirmation they're coming | 20:44 |
| ekhugen | cool | 20:44 |
| ildikov | we planned to draw the line at 50 now too, but the numbers got a push recently | 20:44 |
| ildikov | so we closed the registration now and see how many people we can actually get in the room finally | 20:45 |
| ekhugen | could we maybe advertise speed mentoring at the upstream training too? | 20:45 |
| ildikov | of course! | 20:45 |
| ekhugen | cool | 20:46 |
| ekhugen | anything else on upstream? | 20:46 |
| ildikov | if anyone here can come by on Monday to say a few words or diablo_rojo and myself will do that | 20:46 |
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| diablo_rojo | ekhugen, I added you to the Mentoring Feedback Spreadsheet. | 20:46 |
| ekhugen | thanks diablo_rojo | 20:46 |
| ekhugen | I think I'm doing greeting at the registration desk on Monday afternoon, is the upstream rooms near that? | 20:47 |
| ekhugen | I could probably stop in quickly, near the end of the training? | 20:47 |
| ildikov | ekhugen: that's a pretty good question, I haven't checked yet | 20:48 |
| ildikov | ekhugen: will come back to you on this | 20:48 |
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| ekhugen | okay, sure | 20:48 |
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| ekhugen | okay anything else for upstream? | 20:49 |
| ekhugen | #topic summit meetup | 20:49 |
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| ekhugen | I think we talked last week about meeting for breakfast on Thursday morning | 20:50 |
| ekhugen | did 8am work for people, or was that too early (or not early enough?) | 20:50 |
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| CarolBarrett_ | Yes! | 20:50 |
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| Nicole_ | i'd love to meet up. 8a works for me. | 20:51 |
| ekhugen | okay, is anyone else at the barcelona princess hotel? | 20:52 |
| ekhugen | it sounds like they have a breakfast buffet | 20:53 |
| CarolBarrett_ | Not me - I'm at the Hilton | 20:53 |
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| CarolBarrett_ | How far is that from the CCIB? | 20:53 |
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| ekhugen | the princess hotel is the one right by the ccib | 20:54 |
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| ekhugen | the hilton is right there too though | 20:54 |
| ekhugen | would the hilton be better (or maybe cheaper) for breakfast? | 20:55 |
| CarolBarrett_ | As long as it's in the area, I'm good meeting there | 20:55 |
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| CarolBarrett_ | No idea about cheaper... | 20:56 |
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| ekhugen | they have an alacarte breakfast, it looks like | 20:57 |
| ekhugen | so let's plan to meet at the hilton at 8? | 20:57 |
| ekhugen | is everyone on the groupme app? | 20:57 |
| ekhugen | so we can get in touch that way? | 20:57 |
| CarolBarrett_ | I'm not yet, but will get on it. Do you want to send out a meeting invite too? | 20:57 |
| ekhugen | sure, I can do that | 20:58 |
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| ekhugen | okay, any other topics in our last few minutes? | 20:58 |
| CarolBarrett_ | Thanks | 20:58 |
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| CarolBarrett_ | nothing from me | 20:58 |
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| ekhugen | okay, well thanks everyone! | 20:59 |
| ekhugen | have a good afternoon/evening! | 20:59 |
| CarolBarrett_ | Talk to you soon | 20:59 |
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| ekhugen | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 12 20:59:34 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2016/wos_mentoring.2016-10-12-20.00.html | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2016/wos_mentoring.2016-10-12-20.00.txt | 20:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2016/wos_mentoring.2016-10-12-20.00.log.html | 20:59 |
| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 12 21:00:25 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
| jcook | o/ | 21:00 |
| hurricanerix | o/ | 21:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:00 |
| mrda | o/ | 21:00 |
| m_kazuhiro | o/ | 21:00 |
| kota_ | hi | 21:00 |
| cutforth | o/ | 21:00 |
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| hosanai | o/ | 21:01 |
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| cschwede | o/ | 21:01 |
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| pdardeau | o/ | 21:01 |
| notmyname | oh hi mrda | 21:01 |
| mrda | hey notmyname! | 21:01 |
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| mattoliverau | mrda \o/ | 21:01 |
| mrda | mattoliverau: :) | 21:02 |
| nadeem | hi | 21:02 |
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| jrichli | hello | 21:02 |
| notmyname | mrda: thanks for joining us today | 21:02 |
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| mrda | notmyname: Just having a look... | 21:02 |
| notmyname | welcome everyone | 21:02 |
| notmyname | agenda for this week is... | 21:02 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | #topic summit topics and prep | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | the summit starts in just a week and a half | 21:03 |
| notmyname | so, if you're like me, it's time to schedule all your tourist things :-) | 21:03 |
| acoles | here | 21:04 |
| notmyname | and good job if you've already done that | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | please continue to fill out the topics etherpad | 21:04 |
| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata_swift_summit_topics | 21:04 |
| mattoliverau | I have my ticket and accom does that count :P | 21:04 |
| notmyname | I want to start doing scheduling at the end of this week. there's still plenty of room for other topics, so please add whatever's on your mind | 21:05 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: good job | 21:05 |
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| clayg | a week and a half - that's nuts | 21:05 |
| clayg | cschwede: hi! | 21:05 |
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| torgomatic | so much to do, so little time | 21:05 |
| notmyname | and if you see something that's already on the list, but not very detailed, feel free to add some notes abotu specific stuff you'd like to go over | 21:05 |
| cschwede | clayg: \o/ | 21:06 |
| notmyname | eg (taking the first one on the etherpad) if there's more you want to know/study or are concerned about with container sharding, add that to the etherpad | 21:06 |
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| * mattoliverau does have some more info to write up (re:sharding), which I hope to do well before the start of summit... but don't have a great track record of it :P | 21:07 | |
| notmyname | are there any questions about the summit or topics? | 21:07 |
| notmyname | anythign you want to go over that hasn't been brought up yet? | 21:07 |
| mattoliverau | I assume next meeting is too close to go though the group prioritising, so end of this week you say? | 21:08 |
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| notmyname | correct. I'll take what's on the etherpad and build a schedule from that | 21:08 |
| clayg | nadeem: i have this weird feeling we won't see you dfg or redbo in spain? | 21:08 |
| notmyname | clayg: only mattoliverau from rax, AFAIK | 21:08 |
| clayg | pdardeau: ? | 21:08 |
| nadeem | that is true | 21:08 |
| mattoliverau | :( | 21:08 |
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| pdardeau | clayg: i won't be there | 21:09 |
| clayg | $%^&*( | 21:09 |
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| nadeem | budget is the issue... | 21:09 |
| notmyname | clayg: maybe they can stay home and do a lot of reviews instead? ;-) | 21:09 |
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| mrda | bright side? :) | 21:10 |
| mattoliverau | we should try and figure out some conference call thingy for the humming bird guys, cause it's going to be an important topic. | 21:10 |
| notmyname | oh, if you've got a link to some info about a summit topic that's on the etherpad, please add it to the etherpad | 21:10 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: I'll let you be the one to suggest to redbo to be awake and on the phone at 4am his time ;-) | 21:11 |
| clayg | if you're on that pad can you add a "[not ]going" next to your name | 21:11 |
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| notmyname | oh, yeah, going or not going is good info | 21:12 |
| mattoliverau | I live in another continent so I should be safe.. you however :P | 21:12 |
| clayg | at mattoliverau points out - it's important for planning | 21:12 |
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| clayg | no reason to wait till we get there and start being like "anyone see jrichli?" | 21:12 |
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| mattoliverau | jrichli: your coming right? | 21:13 |
| joeljwright | sorry I'm late peeps, I must have picked up clayg time in CA | 21:13 |
| jrichli | :-) yes. | 21:13 |
| mattoliverau | \o/ | 21:13 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 21:13 |
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| notmyname | joeljwright: are you going to barca? | 21:13 |
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| joeljwright | yes, I'll be there all week | 21:13 |
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| notmyname | yay (add your name and that fact to the etherpad) | 21:14 |
| clayg | b7a? | 21:14 |
| notmyname | *ugh* | 21:14 |
| joeljwright | on it | 21:14 |
| clayg | gah, thanks obarca | 21:14 |
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| notmyname | ok, anythign else about the summit? jrichli acoles kota_ hosanai cschwede anyone? | 21:15 |
| acoles | i'm trying to decide if I am coming or going ;) | 21:15 |
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| cschwede | notmyname: i want my sleep back! running out of time for preparing everything… ;) | 21:16 |
| notmyname | please keep updating the etherpad. if you're working on something or thinking about something, write it down | 21:16 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: you can sleep after the summit ;-) | 21:16 |
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| notmyname | also note that there's a section at the bottom for schedule conflicts, if you're giving a talk or something | 21:16 |
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| jrichli | i'd be interested in talking about that touristy stuff later | 21:17 |
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| notmyname | +1 | 21:17 |
| notmyname | ok, moving on to the next topic | 21:17 |
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| notmyname | #topic faster/more/different reviews or review process. or something. not sure what to call this | 21:18 |
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| notmyname | we've talked a lot in the past about how to handle the review load | 21:18 |
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| notmyname | and how to make progress on long-lived patches. well, all patches, but especially those that are embarrassingly old | 21:19 |
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| notmyname | oh yay. netsplit | 21:19 |
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| jrichli | nice timing | 21:19 |
| mrda | :( | 21:19 |
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| clayg | i'm still on this side | 21:19 |
| clayg | o/ | 21:19 |
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| mattoliverau | me too | 21:19 |
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| joeljwright | me too | 21:19 |
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| hurricanerix | o/ | 21:19 |
| notmyname | doesn't look too bad for people active in this meeting | 21:20 |
| mattoliverau | so lets make all the decisions | 21:20 |
| notmyname | ok, carrying on... | 21:20 |
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| notmyname | we've tried a few things (stars, wiki pages, dashboards). all of which have had varying degrees of success, and IMO none of which are bad | 21:20 |
| notmyname | but the reality is that we still have a lot of old reviews and slow review times | 21:20 |
| kota_ | it looks like frequently disconnected | 21:20 |
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| notmyname | and I've realized that the reason isn't because people aren't doing stuff or interested in it | 21:21 |
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| kota_ | clayg: raise a hand, ok. o/ | 21:21 |
| notmyname | it's because there's *so much* going on at once | 21:21 |
| notmyname | kota_: hi. I see you | 21:21 |
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| kota_ | hi notmyname | 21:21 |
| notmyname | it's the fact that we've got ~30-40 people actively working on 40-50 things | 21:22 |
| notmyname | so it's hard to mentally shift from global EC to container sharding to part power increase to EC bugs fixes to golang to whatever | 21:22 |
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| notmyname | if you're really good, you'll be able to do like 2 reviews a day, when accounting for all the "load this entirely new thing into your head" time | 21:23 |
| clayg | oh gosh don't list them out like that it's just exahusting reading it | 21:23 |
| notmyname | lol | 21:23 |
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| notmyname | I've had crazy ideas before (give everyone commit access!) and not so crazy ideas (not really) | 21:24 |
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| mattoliverau | I was just going to say the same thing.. a review can take a while (at least for me and I could be slow) because of the context switching in my brain. | 21:24 |
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| mattoliverau | Tho I'd admit I could try and do more and probably should | 21:24 |
| notmyname | lol, no | 21:24 |
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| joeljwright | context switching hurts | 21:24 |
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| notmyname | the fact that you're able to do all the context switching and still make progress is great. don't feel bad about that at all | 21:25 |
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| notmyname | after talking to a few other people about this, here's something that I think we should try | 21:25 |
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| notmyname | our current social agreement is that we have 2 cores add a +2 before somethign lands. and it should be people that aren't involved in writing the patch | 21:25 |
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| notmyname | this is silly. the more people that are involved means that the less people who can actually land stuff. that's crazy when you think about stuff like crypto, ec, etc. | 21:26 |
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| notmyname | all that big stuff is *better* because more people are involved, not "needs more checking" | 21:26 |
| joeljwright | agreed | 21:27 |
| notmyname | I was reminded (by clayg and timburke) that the point of the 2 +2 rule is so that there is more info sharing about what's going on | 21:27 |
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| notmyname | if we have 1 +2 or 2 or 3 or whatever, we will still land bugs. more reviews does not tend towards zero bugs in the code | 21:28 |
| notmyname | the point of reviews is to find obvious things, have different perspectives, and share info abotu what's going on | 21:28 |
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| notmyname | so with those things as the goal (and not being legalistically bound to our own rules which we created) here's the change I propose | 21:29 |
| notmyname | (baby steps first before we try something more different) | 21:29 |
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| notmyname | if you're collaborating with someone and you push up a change (thus making you a co-author), it's ok to +2 or +A that patch | 21:29 |
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| joeljwright | that will help a lot | 21:30 |
| mattoliverau | that does get us stuck alot | 21:30 |
| joeljwright | is it just the 3 of us left?! | 21:31 |
| notmyname | it's still good to get a 2nd +2 | 21:31 |
| cschwede | hmm, what happened to the rule „patch and +2/+A should not come from the same company“? does that still apply? | 21:31 |
| notmyname | cschwede: I trust you to land code when I'm sleeping. do what you think is appropriate | 21:31 |
| jrichli | joeljwright: nope | 21:31 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: I think we've always been sorta lax about that | 21:31 |
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| kota_ | joeljwright: mine too | 21:32 |
| notmyname | yeah, it will be interesting to see what the meetbot logs are for this | 21:32 |
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| clayg | cschwede: the deversity thing - i'm not even sure that was a rule as much as general ackowledgement that just as much as an individual can get blinders on it can happen to small team that works together closely as well | 21:32 |
| acoles | I already +2 when I have co-authored *a little*, but not when I have added a lot. e.g. I would not +2 this https://review.openstack.org/210099, so I think it is a matter of judgement | 21:32 |
| acoles | I'm more likely to +2 if I only added to the tests for example | 21:32 |
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| cschwede | notmyname: clayg: maybe we should still apply the rule if it’s a new feature at least. to get a community ack that this is wanted by more than one company | 21:33 |
| tdasilva | acoles: +1 | 21:33 |
| clayg | acoles: you wouldn't +2 it? or you wouldn't +A it without some sanity checking? | 21:33 |
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| cschwede | notmyname: clayg: bugfixes, improvements etc are fine otherwise imo | 21:33 |
| clayg | I *want* you to review your own contribution to that patch with a critical eye and say "look, in all honestly, I know I worked on this, but this change is ready to land IMHO" | 21:34 |
| acoles | clayg: if I contributed a lot, to real code, I'd rather two others reviewed it | 21:34 |
| clayg | i can consder the source and make the choice to +A or "just" add the second +2 | 21:34 |
| kota_ | cschwede: +1 | 21:34 |
| acoles | but sure we should also leave our own opinions | 21:34 |
| clayg | acoles: i can understand that - if you don't think you can give it an honest +2 you shouldn't | 21:34 |
| clayg | I know I will feel that way about 95% of the code I feel was my own fault | 21:35 |
| clayg | ... but at the same time ... i need a signal ON THE PATCH when you think you can't make it any better | 21:35 |
| acoles | clayg: currently in that case I would +1 it and say why I am not +2, what worries me is that someone else sees my +2 and thinks I have independently reviewed it and add a +2 | 21:35 |
| acoles | and a +A and *my* code never got critical review | 21:36 |
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| clayg | acoles: didn't the person that +A'd offer critical review? | 21:36 |
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| acoles | clayg: what worries me is that the presence of one +2 might influence the second review. but maybe I worry too much. | 21:37 |
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| notmyname | acoles: I think that's fair | 21:38 |
| clayg | cschwede: none of this is written down - i'm not sure how careful we have to be about putting in place a policy that outlives us and ends up doing the wrong thing for the next generation | 21:38 |
| clayg | i hear what you are saying about diversity being a goal - i don't want to circumvent that - i also want to operate with trust and freedom for sucess | 21:38 |
| acoles | like I said, I have +2/A's stuff I have co-authored, I am just saying there are times when I would be hesitant. | 21:38 |
| notmyname | clayg: to be fair, I'm pretty sure some of this is written somewhere in some openstack rules wiki | 21:38 |
| clayg | acpahcpahp - w/e | 21:39 |
| clayg | ;) | 21:39 |
| notmyname | acoles: yes! | 21:39 |
| clayg | acoles: I think notmyname is asking us to step out of our comfort zone for the greater good | 21:39 |
| notmyname | I think the point is not to make people +A their own stuff. it's to make sure people feel free to use their judgement | 21:39 |
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| clayg | acoles: if that means you have to loop back to a patch after a day with it - and re-examine your own code with a critical eye before voice an opinon - that's good | 21:40 |
| notmyname | instead of following a process that's slowing down reviews and not substantially adding lots of value | 21:40 |
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| acoles | clayg: sure, I get that | 21:40 |
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| acoles | clayg: I've also looked at enough of my own code after a month of it being n master and shuddered ;) | 21:41 |
| clayg | cschwede: and YES definately MORE on bug fixes and cleanup than on new features | 21:41 |
| clayg | for new stuff it *has* to take awhile | 21:41 |
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| cschwede | clayg: yep, exactly | 21:41 |
| clayg | not just for lots of people to chime in and consider options | 21:41 |
| clayg | but for all of us as a community to understand what we're doing | 21:41 |
| notmyname | jrichli: kota_: mattoliverau: hosanai_: what do you think? | 21:41 |
| jrichli | sounds like a good next step | 21:42 |
| jrichli | not too crazy | 21:42 |
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| hosanai_ | sounds nice. let's try :-) | 21:42 |
| mattoliverau | I agree, its about people using their judgement. But only +2 if your happy | 21:42 |
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| notmyname | torgomatic: any thoughts? | 21:42 |
| kota_ | sounds ok to progress but I'm feeling I am similar with acoles, sometimes I'd like to more eyes for critical review. | 21:43 |
| torgomatic | notmyname: seems reasonable | 21:43 |
| mattoliverau | if its something that makes the code better (bug fix, cleanup, docs) and it's better then it was before, then thats good. Bigger new things.. that's when it gets hard. | 21:43 |
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| notmyname | kota_: I agree. if you aren't ready to +2 something, that's ok | 21:44 |
| clayg | kota_: acoles: maybe this is ust a reminder that the second +2 is not cursory or a formality | 21:44 |
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| clayg | ... but esp so when an collaborator had to step out of their comfort zone and examine the patch as a whole - including their contribution with a critical eye | 21:44 |
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| clayg | i think comments to each other with our scores is the best thing here - communication is keye | 21:45 |
| notmyname | yes | 21:45 |
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| clayg | "I helped out with tests; but I think the tests are good - no crazy new infrastructure or weird racy stuff; just standard fare - LGTM" | 21:45 |
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| acoles | clayg: agree, communicate to other reviewers. | 21:46 |
| cschwede | maybe we should sometimes just ask if anyone else *don’t* sees a need to add a second +2 (after giving it a very quick and brief view), and then just +A with a single +2. | 21:46 |
| kota_ | clayg, acoles: yeah, i think gerrit is a tool to collabolate with someone. | 21:46 |
| clayg | "I redid some of the bits in the error handling to make me feel better; otherwise patch looks good; I'm pretty sure the error handling is sane - but would love you some close eyes on that - LGTM" | 21:46 |
| notmyname | ok, let's leave this topic here for now. maybe bring it up next week again, and definitely talk more in barcelona. | 21:46 |
| kota_ | so we can call someone like 'i want one more +2 for this' | 21:46 |
| clayg | if it's really "I'm exahusted; I can't possibly offer this an unbaised review - I'll leave others to score" | 21:47 |
| notmyname | kota_: cschwede: +2 | 21:47 |
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| clayg | ... so be it | 21:47 |
| acoles | notmyname: (playing devil's advocate) isn't the bigger problem re. context switching that there is a lot of new feature development going on *simultaneously*? and that might distract from bug fixes and older patches? | 21:47 |
| notmyname | acoles: yep | 21:47 |
| acoles | notmyname: that discussion could wait for barcelona too ;) | 21:47 |
| notmyname | acoles: I'm trying to adjust our tools/mindset/process to fit that reality instead of changing reality ;-) | 21:47 |
| notmyname | seems simpler | 21:47 |
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| notmyname | ok, last topic. top bugs patches | 21:48 |
| notmyname | #topic top bugs/patches | 21:48 |
| clayg | well ok, i'm not sure we mad any decisions then | 21:48 |
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| clayg | good talk about it more i suppose | 21:48 |
| notmyname | clayg: good talk :-) | 21:48 |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99598/ | 21:48 |
| acoles | clayg: hopefully we encouraged each other to feel free-er to add out own +2/A as co-authors without fearing reprimand | 21:48 |
| notmyname | Ensure update of the container by object-updater | 21:48 |
| notmyname | that one is from june of 2014. fun! | 21:49 |
| kota_ | ah, yeah, that's takashi's one | 21:49 |
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| clayg | oh, only june 2014? - so it's not like we going on three years or anything | 21:50 |
| kota_ | and it's 5 digit, too old! | 21:50 |
| notmyname | no activity in quote a while on this one, and it fixes https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1328735 | 21:50 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1328735 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "Object-updater gives up updating container with no success if all containers are placed at handoff" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Takashi Kajinami (kajinamit) | 21:50 |
| clayg | notmyname: is the patch done? | 21:50 |
| notmyname | yes, from what I can tell | 21:51 |
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| notmyname | I also want to call out https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1624088 -- EC missing durable can prevent reconstruction | 21:51 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1624088 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "EC missing durable can prevent reconstruction" [High,Confirmed] | 21:51 |
| notmyname | patches at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/376630/ | 21:52 |
| notmyname | tdasilva left a comment yesterday, but there aren't any review scores | 21:52 |
| notmyname | this one matters for failure handing in EC | 21:52 |
| acoles | I need to revisit that tomorrow and reply to any comments | 21:53 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: i've been reviewing that and the remove .durables one, so it's been back and forth | 21:53 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: thanks. and I was just about to mention the other :-) | 21:53 |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/355958/ eliminates .durables and has a +2 from mattoliverau and tdasilva is looking at it | 21:53 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: tdasilva: thank you for looking there | 21:53 |
| notmyname | and acoles for writing it, of course :-) | 21:54 |
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| notmyname | I've seen some other talk in IRC about fixing some of the memory stuff related to pyeclib. what's the status there? | 21:54 |
| mattoliverau | tdasilva's potentiall found something there, so I'll loop back around and have another look. tl;dr I'll keep my eye on it | 21:54 |
| notmyname | acoles: kota_: ? | 21:54 |
| kota_ | notmyname: not a memory stuff actually | 21:55 |
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| notmyname | ah, my mistake. what's up then? | 21:55 |
| acoles | kota and I have been working on this newer ec bug which is horrible https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1631144 | 21:55 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1631144 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "Swift Erasure Coding : Error when decoding fragment" [Critical,Confirmed] | 21:55 |
| kota_ | acoles: just trying to link, thanks ;-) | 21:55 |
| notmyname | ack, thanks https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385609/ | 21:55 |
| tdasilva | mattoliverau: I figured out what I found is actually fixed by patch 376630 | 21:56 |
| clayg | acoles: yes, that has the right importance tag | 21:56 |
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| mattoliverau | tdasilva: then maybe I should look at that patch too then ;) | 21:56 |
| notmyname | yeah, my mistake for not seeing that earlier | 21:56 |
| acoles | I would put it ahead of the others for priority TBH | 21:57 |
| notmyname | yes | 21:57 |
| clayg | yes | 21:57 |
| kota_ | me too | 21:57 |
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| notmyname | also looks like something that would warrant a release and backport when it lands | 21:57 |
| kota_ | i'll try that one and then others like eliminate .durable if they didn't land yet. | 21:58 |
| notmyname | kota_: thanks | 21:58 |
| notmyname | I'll track the critical one | 21:58 |
| notmyname | anything else to bring up during the last minute of the meeting? | 21:59 |
| torgomatic | what happens if you put root beer in a square glass? | 21:59 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: what happens? | 21:59 |
| clayg | us talking about priority of patch 1631144 | 21:59 |
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| clayg | https://media.giphy.com/media/4aFQ6F8s4wgz6/giphy.gif | 22:00 |
| notmyname | thanks for coming, everyone. thanks for working on swift | 22:00 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 12 22:00:55 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-10-12-21.00.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-10-12-21.00.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-10-12-21.00.log.html | 22:01 |
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