Monday, 2016-11-28

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samNTTgood morning09:05
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openstackaspiers: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee'09:06
aspiers#startmeeting ha09:06
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aspiersmorning :)09:06
aspierssamNTT: but it is not morning for you, right? :)09:06
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samNTTyes, it 6pm here09:06
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aspiersok, so good evening ;-)09:07
samNTT;) good evening..09:07
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aspierselynn_: good to have you here09:07
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aspiers#topic design specs09:07
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elynn_I'm here to listen your plans :)09:08
aspiersso I have finally written a new spec09:08
aspiersI meant to submit it yesterday but I will do that now09:08
aspiersit's for host monitoring09:08
samNTTah.. host monitoring09:09
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aspiersand it is affected by the discussion I had with samNTT in Barcelona09:09
aspiersline 135 of
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elynn_Using what for host monitoring?09:10
aspierselynn_: pacemaker_remote09:10
aspierselynn_: you will see the details very shortly09:10
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aspierselynn_: it's basically describing what we are doing already, with a few minor changes09:11
aspierssamNTT: do you need to keep the workflow -1 on your review?09:11
aspierssamNTT: it would be good to merge that09:12
samNTTsorry, I will update it soon. I have add some more info to it09:12
aspierssamNTT: oh ok09:12
samNTTI will add them adn remove WF-1 tomorrow09:12
aspierscool thanks!09:12
aspiersnext I will do libvirt and NovaCompute OCF RA specs09:13
aspiersI guess they can be separate specs even though they are very similar09:13
samNTTlibvirt specs is some what same as instance monitor in masakari?09:14
aspiersin the host monitoring spec I have given justification for choosing pacemaker_remote09:14
aspierssamNTT: no, it's just an RA for libvirtd09:15
samNTTha.. OK09:15
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aspierssamNTT: should be very simple process monitoring09:15
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samNTTso.. it is the process monitor for libvirtd09:15
samNTTaspiers: ok09:15
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aspiersso my hope is that the justification will preemptively answer some questions about design which people may have09:16
aspiersespecially people who did not participate in discussions/work until now09:16
aspierselynn_: are you familiar with the proposed architecture?09:17
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elynn_Using pacemaker to monitor host and trigger mistral workflow when host failure?09:18
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elynn_Will this monitor agent monitor the VM itself?09:19
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aspiersno, that's a separate spec09:19
elynn_ah.. okay09:19
aspiersit will become clear soon I hope :)09:19
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elynn_I'm thinking if this monitor agent can notify senlin, I might need to see your spec for more details.09:20
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aspierselynn_: the monitor agent for which? the host or processes or VMs?09:21
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aspierselynn_: lines 115+09:21
aspierselynn_: these are the specs we are working on09:21
elynn_for the hosts09:21
aspiersok, yes that could certainly notify senlin09:22
elynn_ok, I see09:22
aspiersit will just send a JSON message to an endpoint09:22
samNTTelynn_: if senlin can process custom notifications, then I think it could be possible09:23
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elynn_That's great.09:23
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aspiersmight it be required for the monitor to send to multiple endpoints?09:23
aspierse.g. would we want to notify both senlin and masakari?09:24
elynn_senlin could expose a web hook to receive notifications.09:24
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elynn_For for custom notifications, we might need more investigation09:24
samNTTit depends, if you use senlin as recovery engine, then you dont need masakari. But if you need masakari to keep the log and handle the recovery with senline then you might need to send them to both or masakari can send it to senlin09:25
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aspiersthat's an interesting idea - have masakari re-send the notification09:26
elynn_aspiers, yes, that's a good idea. Is it hard to implemented?09:26
samNTTMasakari can send it senlin as we do it to mistral. But it depends on how you wants to use it09:26
aspierselynn_: the notification is extremely simple09:26
elynn_If masakari do  the recovery, I don't think senlin needs to do it again.09:26
aspierssamNTT: I guess it should be a POST, right?09:26
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aspiersI think ddeja forgot to mention the request type in his spec09:27
elynn_But I'm think after the vm recovered, who will do  the software deployment on it?09:27
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aspierselynn_: nova09:27
aspierselynn_: it just restarts it on another host09:27
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elynn_So we need a shared storage for nova, right?09:28
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samNTTelynn_: yes, otherwise you will not get your instance back09:29
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samNTTI mean you have to reconfiure it09:30
elynn_that make sense.09:30
aspiersthe only thing we cannot handle with this situation is the possibility of no fencing when it is pure cattle VMs09:30
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aspiersbut maybe we don't need that09:30
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aspierse.g. stateless HPC VMs09:31
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elynn_I just wanna ask about fencing questions :)09:31
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aspiersin that case fencing might not be mandatory, but I can't imagine why anyone would want to avoid it09:31
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elynn_maybe for cattle VMs, ignore the dead one and create a new one is enough?09:33
aspierselynn_: fencing details are in the host monitoring spec so you will see very soon :)09:33
aspierselynn_: yes, ignore might be enough *technically*, but from a maintenance PoV fencing the node is probably cleaner09:33
aspierssometimes fencing will restart the node which also might fix the problem09:34
aspierse.g. if it was a kernel crash09:34
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elynn_How do you trigger the fencing?09:35
aspiersPacemaker does it09:35
elynn_Hmm, good to know pacemaker can do that :)09:35
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aspiersyes that is one of the main reasons to use it09:36
samNTTyou might need to fence cattle VM, when nova show VM is not there or Error but, actually it it running(/partially) on the host.09:36
aspiersah ok, so in that case the fencing is to fix nova state, rather than just to fix the VM09:37
samNTTThere are some situations that you cannot delete the crashed VMs, and ops need to clear them manually09:38
aspiersmakes sense09:38
aspierssamNTT: perhaps you can add details of that to my spec after I submit it?09:38
samNTTaspiers: sure09:38
aspiersI will submit after this meeting09:38
aspiersdo we have anything else to discuss today?09:39
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elynn_I don't have one, looking forward to your spec :)09:40
samNTTaspiers: not form my side.. I will finish my sepcs and add reqied info to your sepcs09:40
aspiersbtw we are using a single "instance-ha" topic for the specs09:40
aspierssamNTT: cool, thanks!09:40
elynn_aspiers, got it09:40
samNTTaspiers: thanks for fixing the topic on the vm recovery sepc09:41
aspierssure :)09:41
aspiersalright, I guess we are done09:41
aspierselynn_: thanks for attending! great to have someone from senlin team here :)09:41
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elynn_Thank you all for sharing your ideas.09:42
aspierselynn_: of course we are also on #openstack-ha09:42
aspierselynn_: so you can find us there any time09:42
elynn_I will keep an eye on this topic ;)09:42
aspiersin case you have more questions09:42
samNTTelynn_: thank you for your time looking forward have more discussions09:43
aspiersalright, thanks both and bye for now :)09:43
samNTTbye.. have a nice week ahead..09:43
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astarovehi all14:02
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andreykurilin#startmeeting Rally14:03
openstackMeeting started Mon Nov 28 14:03:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is andreykurilin. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:03
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'rally'14:03
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andreykurilinlet's wait several minutes14:03
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andreykurilinlet's start14:05
andreykurilin#topic chat bot14:05
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andreykurilinAs it was introduced several meetings ago, now we have 2 channels for Rally14:06
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andreykurilinfirst one is #openstack-rally at Freenode14:06
andreykurilinand second one is
andreykurilinLast week I finished writing a simple bot for synchronization messages between these two chats14:07
andreykurilinso everyone can choose the most "convenient" way of communication by himself.14:07
andreykurilinI'll continue work on this bot to add ability to show list of users for each service14:08
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andreykurilinI mean users from IRC will able to obtain information about who is in Gitter14:09
andreykurilinand users from gitter will able to do the same14:09
andreykurilinAlso, I'll work on joining #openstack-meeting channel(this one) and rally-dev/meeting-room at Gitter14:10
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andreykurilinI think this task will be done before next meeting:)14:10
andreykurilinAny other ideas for our inner bot?14:11
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andreykurilinkub_huang: you missed everything:)14:13
andreykurilinI can repeat:)14:13
kun_huangforget to take my team here14:13
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xionchen_ping kun14:13
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kun_huangIm sorry guys14:14
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andreykurilinkun_huang: short log specially for you  - :)14:14
kun_huangwhat's the advantages of gitter?14:15
kun_huangI have paid irccloud for a long time14:15
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andreykurilinkun_huang: for example, gitter is free :)14:16
andreykurilinPS: I have paid irccloud too14:16
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andreykurilinbut I had a talk with several folks at barcelona and they dislike IRC at all14:16
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andreykurilinalso, I heard the same opinion from inner folks14:17
kun_huangI thought you guys love IRC before14:18
kun_huangpopular IMs could support IRC14:18
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andreykurilinBasically, Gitter adds the same features as IRCCloud, but it also allows to create whatever you want chats and group them by "community"14:18
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kun_huangnice, I could try it first14:18
andreykurilinIn our case we have Rally community and 3 chats: Lobby (the main one), statuses(separate chat for gerrit messages and launchpad news in future) and meeting-room14:19
andreykurilinthe process of switching between community is simple, imho. At least better then in slack14:20
andreykurilinkun_huang: also, gitter allows to modify messages (in terms on short period of time) to fix misspellings14:21
kun_huangI tried it last week, but didn't find an OpenStack group...14:22
andreykurilinso I can name it like IRCCloud Advanced :D14:22
andreykurilinyeah, there is no such group14:22
andreykurilinthat is why we created Rally group14:22
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kun_huangpretty nice14:23
andreykurilinBased on answers for my thread at ML, openstack community will never switch from IRC :)14:23
andreykurilinok, you should try our Gitter group. If it will not be good enough for you, you will able to continue usage of #openstack-rally channel. we will never abandon supporting it14:24
kun_huangit's not werid., they are making choice for a large team14:24
andreykurilinactually, I do not have any other topics to discuss14:25
andreykurilin#topic Open discussions14:25
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kun_huangokay, what's the status of rally as a service?14:25
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andreykurilinheh. Currently, we do not have enough resources for implementation. amaretskiy started a PoC, let me find it14:26
amaretskiythere are several patches for review14:26
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amaretskiy <-- first step14:27
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andreykurilinamaretskiy: I posted first link quicker :)14:27
kun_huangthanks guys, @xionchen_  pls take a look on those designs14:27
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xionchen_got it14:28
kun_huangfrom reading, thinking and doing reviews14:28
xionchen_ok  :)14:28
kun_huangof crouse, including contributing14:28
kun_huangandreykurilin: btw, is this feature the top one thing in this release?14:29
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andreykurilinunfortunately, no14:29
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kun_huangI found some refactor jobs in trello14:30
andreykurilinwe restore our trello board14:30
andreykurilincurrently we have only three critical for release features14:31
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andreykurilin1) atomic action redesign - support for inner atomics14:31
andreykurilin2) verification component redesign -
andreykurilin3) keystone v3 whole support -
andreykurilinRaaS is not there since amaretskiy, unfortunately, does not have enough time now14:32
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kun_huanggot it14:33
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kun_huanghai_shi_ and I would do some contribution, but I should talk to him first14:34
andreykurilinso raas is still high priority feature for us, but based on its status and progress, it is not a blocker now14:35
kun_huanganyone has been working these three tasks?14:35
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andreykurilintask #3 is almost done. it needs just simple fix14:35
andreykurilintask #2 ylobankov and I are working on it. I think we will finish with it in several weeks14:36
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andreykurilintask #1 amaretkiy has a bit of time now, so he started it14:36
andreykurilinkun_huang: also, there is one more task a bit related to RaaS14:37
kun_huanghai_shi_: ping14:37
andreykurilinfinishing refactor of cleanup14:37
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andreykurilinunfortunately, stpierre doesn't have time for it, but this work is high priority and needs just final patches14:38
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andreykurilinso I think he will not against somebody will take it14:38
kun_huanghai_shi_: would you like finish the last shot on the refactor of cleanup?14:39
hai_shi_kun_huang:yep, I cloud try it.14:40
kun_huangandreykurilin: my team is working on CI and automation, and have more or less experience on testing or performance14:40
kun_huangandreykurilin: I would help them to join community14:40
kun_huangdo reviews for them/us14:41
andreykurilinreally cool14:41
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kun_huangso I have three to-do list:14:41
kun_huang1) RaaS 2) refactor of cleanup 3) some work on your top 3 tasks14:42
andreykurilinso, please join our trello board ( invitation link . I'll try to add more task there with nice description14:43
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kun_huangthe number 4: trying gitter :)14:43
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andreykurilinkun_huang hai_shi_: . I'll add a description in several hours14:43
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andreykurilinAnything else to discuss ?14:45
kun_huangany thoughts? hai_shi_ xionchen_14:45
xionchen_I need to take a look at reviews at first14:45
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xionchen_before giving some thoughts14:46
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kun_huangone more thing14:47
kun_huangwe are using an old version openstack, just move on mitaka from juno14:47
kun_huangwe need describe the ability to each version openstack of rally14:48
andreykurilinkun_huang: so we have a plan for this :)14:48
xionchen_So am I going to concentrate on Raas related things at first?14:48
kun_huangat least, it need more jobs to verify this ability14:48
andreykurilinkun_huang: I'm not against additional jobs.14:49
kun_huangjobs -> ansible jobs in community infra14:49
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kun_huangxionchen_:  take a look at the design first14:49
xionchen_all right14:49
kun_huangandreykurilin:  we need more work on rally to help people find and resolve problems14:50
andreykurilinkun_huang: long-term plans: so first of all, we need to finish refactoring of validation mechanism to be able to use validators for all kind of plugins. after it will be done, I want to move all openstack plugins to separate repo and andd stable branches there14:51
xionchen_do you mean some thing like adding some jobs for rally as experimental pipeline?14:51
kun_huanggood idea on "stable branches"14:51
kun_huangxionchen_: voting check/gate jobs14:51
xionchen_to rally?14:52
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kun_huangor periodical jobs14:52
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kun_huangxionchen_: it should be, but I don't have more details now14:53
xionchen_all right14:53
andreykurilinkun_huang:  I'm ok about periodic jobs for all stable openstack branches14:54
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kun_huangandreykurilin: thanks a lot14:55
andreykurilinanything else to discuss ?14:55
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kun_huangit's 11 pm in China now, I will talk with xionchen_ hai_shi_  about details tommorrow14:55
kun_huangand they will say hi to you tommorrow14:56
kun_huangno more topics from me ;)14:56
andreykurilinbtw, there was a talk at summit14:56
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andreykurilintopic "making our meeting similar to Nova - one week meeting in one timezone and next week in another timezone"14:57
andreykurilinwe can discuss this topic next week14:57
andreykurilinand maybe find more suitable time for you and your team14:57
kun_huangno problem14:57
andreykurilinok, let's finish14:57
andreykurilinthanks for participation14:57
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xionchen_thx you 214:58
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lennyb#startmeeting third-party15:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Nov 28 15:00:50 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is lennyb. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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lennybHello everybody15:01
lennybhi asselin, how are you?15:01
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asselinback from vacation. I'm good :)15:01
lennybwaiting for a one :)15:02
lennybasselin, anything you want to discuss today?15:02
asselinlennyb, nothing in particular15:03
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lennybasselin, me neither. Let's wait for awhile, maybe someone will appear. Where were you on your vacation?15:03
asselinwent to visit san luis obispo (califoria central coast)15:04
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lennybimages of this place are very beautiful15:05
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asselinwe were lucky. good weather everyday until our return day.15:05
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lennybnice. I had a weekend in Bratislava 2 weeks ago, it was rainy but very tasty.15:07
watanabe_isaohello, happy holiday.  :) Im still working. :(15:07
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asselinhi watanabe_isao15:07
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lennybhello watanabe_isao15:08
watanabe_isaousing APP so typing is slow.15:08
watanabe_isaohello lennyb.15:08
lennybwatanabe_isao, anything you would like to discus today?15:08
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watanabe_isaono, just coming say hello.15:09
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lennybIf there is nothing to discuss I will close a meeting in 5 mins. Thanks for being here.15:10
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mmedvedejust a quick announcement15:12
mmedvedeWed wg meeting (17:00) is removed from calendar15:12
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lennybmmedvede, thanks.15:12
asselinthanks mmedvede15:12
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watanabe_isaoso this meeting becomes the only one 3rd party ci related meeting?15:14
lennybwatanabe_isao, yes.15:14
watanabe_isaogot it. thank you.15:14
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lennybIf there are no regrets I will close the meeting. mmedvede, asselin, watanabe_isao thanks.15:18
asselinthanks lennyb15:18
watanabe_isaothanks you lennyb.15:18
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rakhmerov#startmeeting Mistral16:00
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rakhmerovhi all16:01
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rakhmerov#topic Review action items16:01
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rakhmerov1. rakhmerov: look at
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rakhmerovI did look at it but since then some other comments were left16:02
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rakhmerovI'll look again16:03
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d0ugalso this means every retry will try once more than before?16:03
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rakhmerovwell, there's a bug now in retry policy16:04
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rakhmerovit doesn't run at all if count is 116:04
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d0ugalJust checking I understand ddeja's comment16:04
rakhmerovso what we need to do is to make it run exactly "count" number of times16:04
sharatssrakhmerov: d0ugal previously the first try was considered as retry. but this patch ignores the first unsuccessful run16:05
rakhmerovexcluding normal initial execution16:05
d0ugalYup, makes sense to me. I think the change is fine.16:05
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d0ugalI had assumed it was already doing this :)16:05
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rakhmerovsharatss: I don't understand what you mean by first "try" ?16:05
rakhmerovinitial task execution?16:06
d0ugalyes, I think so16:06
sharatssrakhmerov, i mean the initial execution16:06
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rakhmerovyes, then it's wrong16:06
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rakhmerovretry is a retry, it works only after initial run16:06
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rakhmerovddeja: assuming this, do you think the current patch is ok?16:07
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rakhmerovyes, this changes the current behavior, but there's a bug in the current behavior16:07
ddejarakhmerov: IMO it is OK16:08
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d0ugalThis patch will make the documentation correct too16:08
rakhmerovddeja: then please vote again if it's ok for you16:09
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ddejarakhmerov: the only remaining is failing dsvm gates16:09
rakhmerovor may be you have some other comments16:09
rakhmerovis it also related to this change?16:09
ddejaI'd like to look on it before voting16:09
rakhmerovyes, sure16:09
rakhmerovof course16:09
ddejaI don't quite remember, but I'd like to be 100% sure16:09
rakhmerovok, let's move on16:10
rakhmerov#topic Current status16:10
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rakhmerovI've almost finished fixing launching process and refactoring life-cycle of mistral services16:10
rakhmerova little bit stuck with fixing tests, I found a problem today with threads, I think I'll fix it tomorrow16:11
rakhmerovbut it's mainly fixed16:11
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d0ugalI have been looking into a couple of bugs related that have came up. One with custom actions and the Result class and one now to do with workflow names in workbooks16:12
rakhmerovIMO, this was quite important to do because I realized that this aspect of the system was messed up completely16:12
rakhmerovand hard to maintain16:12
rakhmerovand it had a number of bugs16:12
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rakhmerovd0ugal: did you find the root cause of that Result(error=..) problem?16:13
d0ugalI had a look at the patch, but found it hard to review :)16:13
ddejaMy status: Done more reviews than in a past few weeks. And I'm looking forward to see the new tasks function to check if it suits my 'preconditions' use case16:13
rakhmerovd0ugal: you mean my patch?16:13
d0ugalrakhmerov: yeah, your patch :) it is just quite big and complicated.16:13
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d0ugaland I am not that familiar with some of the code it changes16:13
rakhmerovyeah, it's a bit tricky but I had to make it one patch16:13
rakhmerovbecause it's all entangled16:13
rakhmerovd0ugal: I can provide any explanations16:14
rakhmerovin IRC16:14
d0ugalrakhmerov: okay, I'll look again tomorrow and maybe ask questions.16:14
rakhmerovit's just impossible to squeeze everything in the commit message16:14
rakhmerovddeja: yes, ok16:14
rakhmerovd0ugal: yeah, sorry, I know it's not easy16:14
d0ugalrakhmerov: I didn't finish tracking down the Result(error=... issue. I got distracted as one of the tripleo devs tried to create a workflow with "version" in the name :-)16:14
rakhmerovI'll explain16:14
rakhmerovddeja: btw, I actually still have some questions on RPC16:15
rakhmerovddeja: we can discuss it separately tomorrow16:15
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ddejarakhmerov: no problem, I'll try to wake up erilier16:15
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rakhmerovI just noticed several things that I think we need to fix/improve16:15
rakhmerovddeja: yeah, just don't play Civ 5 :)16:16
rakhmerovtonight )16:16
* d0ugal recently bought civ 616:16
rakhmerovgamers are everywhere16:16
d0ugalOtherwise I spoke briefly with rbrady about the custom actions spec. He started to refresh his memory of it all...16:16
rakhmerovsharatss: any updates from you?16:17
rakhmerovrbrady: ?16:17
rakhmerovsharatss: I looked at the i18n BP, approved it16:17
rakhmerovlooks ok16:17
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rbradyI looked at our previous conversation and started looking at the code again16:17
sharatssrakhmerov, not much this week. not well :(16:17
rbradyour previous conversation:
rakhmerovsharatss: don't be so shy, I see you're commiting a lot16:18
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rakhmerovrbrady: ok16:18
rakhmerovis it a good time now to discuss this all again?16:18
rbradywhere we stopped is where we looked at some methods that needed internal access to database info16:18
rakhmerovor you'd like to refresh it more?16:18
rakhmerovwe can leave it till the next meeting16:18
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rakhmerovbut let's try to prepare better16:18
rakhmerov(me too)16:18
sharatssrakhmerov, haha :) actually i was on leave last week. So, didnt feel i was working :P16:19
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rakhmerovrbrady: ooh, you mean in mistral-lib, right?16:19
rbradyrahkmerov: that's fine.  It might give me more time to work out a proposal for moving forward16:19
rbradyrahkmerov: yes16:19
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rakhmerovwhat's an example of why we need to get something from DB?16:20
rakhmerovI just don't remember16:20
d0ugalmistral context?16:20
rbradygetting the action_execution_id16:20
rakhmerovooh, no-no16:20
rakhmerovI think this part should as follows: all of that is only a contextual information and it should be provided to executor in advance (over RPC)16:21
rakhmerovwe shouldn't be able to get an arbitrary execution object from DB16:21
rakhmerovonly those objects that are related to the current action that we're processing16:22
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rbradythen we'll need to make sure we are adding all of that information to the context (if it's missing)16:22
rakhmerovand these are simply helper methods to extract that info so that we don't have to pass that stuff as action params (and thus polluting method signature)16:22
rbradyand just use that pattern for all data you want made available to custom actions16:22
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rakhmerovrbrady: yes, right16:22
rakhmerovthat's what I was thinking, yes16:23
rakhmerovall that is in mistral-lib should be kinda primitive, all needed contextual info should be provided from the engine16:23
rbradyrahkmerov: okay.  I'll take some time to update the patch this week following that idea and identify possible context changes16:24
rakhmerovyeah, ok16:24
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rakhmerovmy other concern though is that we might have problems with code dependencies, we need to be wise on what should stay in mistral and what should migrate to mistral-lib16:24
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rakhmerovbtw, 'mistral' will depend on 'mistral-lib', right?16:25
rbradyrahkmerov: yes16:25
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rbradyrahkmerov: IIUC, mistral_lib should be small and contain types and/or expections and a minimum of utility methods required for action development16:26
d0ugaland maybe yaql/jinja2 function development?16:26
rbradyrahkmerov: then mistral and mistra_extra will depend on those features there16:26
rakhmerovd0ugal: in case of functions it's more tricky though16:27
d0ugalrakhmerov: okay, we can do that later :)16:27
rakhmerovbecause they really need DB access16:27
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d0ugalsomething to think about16:27
rakhmerovhonestly, I don't have a clear picture in mind now16:27
rakhmerovas far as functions16:27
rakhmerovmay be we're missing something here..16:28
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rakhmerovI would like to move functions to mistral-lib too, but don't know how yet16:28
rakhmerovthe other problem with functions is that ideally they should not be able to use internal DB API at all16:29
rbradyrahkmerov: maybe after dealing with actions we can apply what we've learned to dealing with the functions16:29
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rakhmerovit seems weird if anyone would be able to use our internal DB API when writing those functions16:29
rakhmerovbecause it wouldn't be just an internal API anymore16:29
d0ugalYeah, I would suggest we focus on custom actions for now16:30
rakhmerovrbrady: yes, I think the first iteration could be actions16:30
d0ugalbut functions should be an eventual goal16:30
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rakhmerovbut I think it makes sense to keep that all experimental until we at least have understanding of how to deal with functions16:30
rakhmerovd0ugal, rbrady: maybe the right way to provide a number of functions with DB access in 'mistral' repo itself16:31
rakhmerovand deny to use DB API for everyone else16:31
rakhmerovso that we declare that: ok, we have a number of useful functions that can help you access all DB objects (workflows, actions, tasks etc.) but if you'd like to write your own function you can't use DB16:32
rakhmerovor may be they should be able to reuse those existing functions somehow16:33
d0ugalYeah, that seems reasonable16:33
rakhmerovif they want to get some objects from DB16:33
rakhmerovyeah, I'm just brainstorming now16:33
d0ugalbut lets worry about it later :)16:33
rakhmerovok, we need to remember this idea16:33
rakhmerovit seems pretty reasonable to me too16:33
rakhmerov#info Custom functions (jinja/yaql) that need DB access could re-use built-in functions like executions(), tasks() etc.16:34
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rakhmerovin fact, we've been discussing the next topic in the agenda16:34
rakhmerovbut ok16:35
rakhmerovrbrady, d0ugal: let's try to speed it up somehow, I'll participate too in a week or two16:35
rakhmerovonce I fix a number of other pretty urgent things16:35
rakhmerovthis is one of my top priorities to deal with actions16:35
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rakhmerov#topic Open Discussion16:36
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rakhmerovanything else?16:37
rakhmerovsharatss: what are you planning to work next?16:37
sharatssrakhmerov, i have started to work on client docs16:37
rakhmerovooh, that's good16:37
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rakhmerovas far as i18n, what's the reason you decided to work on it?16:38
d0ugalddeja: You wanted to talk about the version name thing - did you see my discussion with rakhmerov in #openstack-mistral?16:38
rakhmerovdo you see it as an important thing?16:38
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ddejad0ugal: yes, I saw it16:38
rakhmerovd0ugal, ddeja: yeah, I agree with you conclusions, I'm pretty sure this is a bug16:38
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ddejaand I guess there is nothing else to discuss in this matter16:39
sharatssrakhmerov, i have one of my colleague who used i18n for some other thing. was quite interesting16:39
d0ugalddeja: cool, I agree. just wanted to check16:39
rakhmerovbut I didn't understand yet why we need that regex, it seems really weird to me16:39
d0ugalddeja: I just need to figure out the fix :)16:39
d0ugalrakhmerov: +116:39
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d0ugalrakhmerov: I am reading code to try and figure that out now :)16:39
sharatssrakhmerov, it will be good if we can support multiple languages in Mistral too16:39
rakhmerovsharatss: yes, I just didn't realize it was so important, we have so many other things to do :)16:39
rakhmerovd0ugal: ok, good16:40
rakhmerovthis piece was written by Nikolay Makhotkin16:40
rakhmerovI can try to reach out to him if needed16:40
rakhmerovbut he is not in OpenStack anymore :(16:40
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sharatssrakhmerov, its not my priority though. I will be working on the client BP (debug one)16:40
ddejarakhmerov: oh, I saw him doing some reviews in Ocata cycle...16:40
sharatssrakhmerov, will try to get it done by next week16:41
rakhmerovsharatss: yeah, IMO that's more important16:41
rakhmerovI would postpone i18n for a little bit16:41
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sharatssrakhmerov, hmm... i will ask you some queries tomorrow regarding cli docs as well16:42
rakhmerovddeja: yeah, but AFAIK he is about to find a new job and I don't know if he will be able to contribute into Mistral16:42
rakhmerovit would be cool, but life is life16:42
rakhmerovsharatss: sure16:42
ddejaoh I see16:42
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rakhmerovddeja: yeah, he is not at Mirantis anymore16:43
sharatssnow gate jobs are passing right?16:43
rakhmerovsharatss: you mean mysql?16:43
rakhmerovor something else?16:43
rakhmerovsharatss: btw, thanks for fixing mysql gate16:43
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rakhmerovnow we are more protected :)16:44
rakhmerovooh, gentlemen, question16:44
sharatssrakhmerov, i hate seeing something in red in the jenkins column :))\16:44
d0ugalI still need to do something with the devstack check16:44
rakhmerovWhy the f... do we have to make our unit tests work with sqlite?16:44
rakhmerovdoes anybody know?16:44
rakhmerovI know it was a strict requirement but not sure if it's still true16:45
d0ugalBecause it is easier for people to run them with sqlite?16:45
sharatssd0ugal: err.. only one test fails in the devstack check :(16:45
rakhmerovsharatss: we're aware of some issues, once in a while they appear16:45
rakhmerovfor example, d0ugal is about to fix devstack-dsvm16:45
d0ugal"about to"16:45
rakhmerovI believe in you :)16:45
rakhmerovd0ugal: ok, as far as sqlite, for me it's a great pain16:46
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sharatssrakhmerov, yes. those come because of some commit in some other project :( that's the irritating part16:46
rakhmerovI would love to get rid of sqlite support completely16:46
rakhmerovfor many many reasons16:46
rakhmerovwhich I can tell about separately16:46
d0ugalrakhmerov: maybe we can ask with [all] on openstack-dev to see if we can drop sqlite support?16:46
rakhmerovbut I don't know what community thinks now16:47
rakhmerovd0ugal: good idea )16:47
rakhmerovI definitely need to use ML more actively16:47
d0ugalI have no idea how people will react16:47
rakhmerovonce in a while I have such questions and for some reason I don't feel like writing to ML16:47
rakhmerovbut that's ok, it's a good think to ask16:48
d0ugalit is hard to keep up with openstack-dev16:48
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rakhmerov#action rakhmerov: write an email to ML about sqlite support16:48
rakhmerovok, I don't have anything else for today16:48
rakhmerovhow about you?16:49
d0ugalNothing else from me16:49
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rakhmerovsharatss, rbrady?16:49
rakhmerovddeja: ?16:49
d0ugaloh, actually, did you make any progress with the alternate meeting? or are we meeting at this time again next week?16:49
rbradynothing from me16:49
ddejanothing from my side16:49
rakhmerovd0ugal: nope, I wasn't able to catch kong yet16:49
sharatssnothing from me too16:49
d0ugalrakhmerov: okay, so this time again next week?16:50
rakhmerovalthough he was supposed to come back from vacation (may be I confused the dates)16:50
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rakhmerovd0ugal: yes, same time for now16:50
d0ugalk, thanks16:50
rakhmerovok, thanks for joining16:50
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rakhmerovbye everyone and have a wonderful week16:50
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sharatssthank you :)16:51
ddejathanks, bye16:51
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* armax wonders if there20:58
armaxis enough left in the team to have a team meeting20:58
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haleybenough turkey you mean? :)20:59
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kevinbentonarmax: you gonna start this thing or what?20:59
armaxhaleyb: my leftovers finished a while ago!20:59
njohnstonaye aye cap'n20:59
kevinbentonarmax: that means you didn't make enough :)21:00
armaxkevinbenton: it’s not time yet21:00
haleybarmax: i'll send some west21:00
armax#startmeeting networking21:00
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armaxhaleyb: thanks, appreciate it21:00
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armaxhello everyone21:01
armaxlet’s dive in21:01
armax#topic Announcements21:01
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armaxI have a couple of things newsworthy21:02
armax#link there’s a thread started on the ML about including vendor-specific driver code into the big tent21:02
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armaxif you work for an employer that has such repos, I’d suggest you stay plugged in the conversations21:03
armaxthat are gonna spur from that thread21:03
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Sukhdevarmax : thank for sharing - I had missed that21:04
armaxotherwise you might wake up one day and find out that the world around you has changed21:04
armaxSukhdev: it’s fresh, I am sure you would have caught up to it21:04
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armaxanother announcement I wanted to make is related to core team attrition21:05
armaxmost of you might have noticed by now that we’ve had a number of folks stepping down21:05
armaxcarl_baldwin, HenryG and amuller most recently21:06
HenryGdon't forget dougwig21:06
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armaxHenryG: he’s still core21:06
armaxhe’s stepped down from the drivers team21:07
armaxat least that’s what I have heard :)21:07
armaxdougwig too has taken somewhat of a backseat21:07
sc68callast one out turn off the lights21:07
armaxI have invited these folks to advise me and the team to identify whom have worked closely with them and that they feel they can step in and replace them21:07
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armaxultimately nominating people’s replacements is something that has to find the nominee agreeing in taking on more responsibility21:08
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armaxin the core of neutron21:09
armaxand neutron-lib as well21:09
armaxwhile this gets figured out, if you are an existing core, please try to make up for the loss of review bandwidth if you can21:10
armaxplease don’t forget the current backlog21:10
armaxand the dashboard that should help us keep a focussed review attention21:11
armaxtop link21:11
kevinbentoni think we have several people ready to be cores soon so it's not the end of the world yet :)21:11
SukhdevIf somebody helps coach me, I could help out21:12
armaxkevinbenton: I never thought we had reached the end of the world21:12
armaxkevinbenton: even when the US elections were over21:12
armaxbut I digres21:12
kevinbentonarmax: based on how you always talk i assume you think it's the end of the world :P21:12
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armaxkevinbenton: ok21:13
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armaxkevinbenton: don’t quite know how to understand your comment21:13
armaxlet’s move on, unless someone has any other announcement he/she will like to make21:14
Sukhdevarmax : he is being sarcastic - just ignore him :-)21:14
mlavalleRemind the team about the PTG21:14
mlavalleRegistration is open21:14
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SukhdevI heard it is limited to 500 people only21:15
armaxmlavalle: thanks21:15
kevinbentoncan that thing sell out?21:15
kevinbentonwell that's annoying21:15
dasmkevinbenton: good question. do we have any limits, time cap?21:15
dasmok, see 500 people.21:15
SukhdevI was told in another meeting that 500 was the limit21:15
Sukhdevin fact, when you register, it tells you how many seats are left21:16
armax348 now21:16
johnsomThere are still ~348 seats open per the above page21:16
dasmarmax: thanks21:16
dasmjohnsom: thx21:16
armaxit’s also no longer free for ATCs21:16
Sukhdevthat kinda sucks :-021:16
armaxthough the fee is modest and set to $10021:16
electrocucarachabut you can transfer your registration right?21:17
Sukhdevelectrocucaracha : yes, and it is refundable21:17
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mlavalleSukhdev: that's good news21:18
Sukhdevmlavalle : I only deliver good news - bad news comes from armax :):-)21:18
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armaxok, anything else to remind?21:18
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armaxif this negativity keeps getting at me, I am gonna have to step down too21:18
armaxI am clearly the bad mojo to the project21:19
Sukhdevarmax : I was kidding - sorry :-)21:19
mlavallearmax: you are clearly not :-)21:19
armaxSukhdev: no offence taken21:19
Sukhdevarmax : you are the force, sir!!!21:19
armax#topic blueprints21:19
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armaxSukhdev: here’s one more21:19
armaxwe have laguished as far as completing blueprints and reviewing RFEs21:20
armaxwe are in Ocata 2, with 3 weeks to Christmas21:20
armaxdon’t forget that FF is a month earlier this cycle21:20
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armaxat the pace we are going we might as well close 0 blueprints this cycle21:21
armaxif you are an assignee and/or an approver of any of the targeted blueprint/rfe please be proactive and help identify any blocker21:22
kevinbentonarmax: people have been working on things...21:22
kevinbentonarmax: i'm sure we'll get something21:22
armaxin case the person you’re supposed to work with is either moved on or swamped21:22
bodenarmax: I think amuller was supposed to help drive this… I beleive you recently said he was moving away from neutron21:23
armaxkevinbenton: I am gonna have to set a gloomy picture on everything I say, otherwise how am I gonna get a bad reputation?21:23
armaxboden: correct, I asked amuller to reach out to you21:23
armaxboden: has he done that/21:23
bodenarmax: not that I know of21:23
armaxok, today it’s just Monday after a binge weekend21:23
armaxI’d suggest to reach out to him instead, but he’s the approver for that blueprint and I hope he’ll help identify the fate of that effort21:24
bodenarmax: ack21:24
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armaxas far as the OVO/no API downtime effort, I see no patches being flagged on the team meeting page21:26
armaxanyone has anything to share?21:26
armax#topic OVO/no API downtime?21:26
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mlavallemaybe electrocucaracha can provide status?21:26
electrocucarachahaha maybe, thanks mlavalle21:27
electrocucarachawe have some progress on OVO classes that don't have too much dependencies21:28
armaxelectrocucaracha: you have links to patches that are close to landing?21:28
electrocucarachajschwarz is working on grenade jobs21:28
electrocucarachaarmax: I have an updated spreadsheet21:28
armaxelectrocucaracha: thanks21:29
armaxelectrocucaracha: one thing that would be nice is to provide a filter so that patches can be sorted in term of ‘readiness’21:30
electrocucarachaIhar has made special emphasis on taking a look of the plan
electrocucarachaarmax: I can include something there21:31
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armaxelectrocucaracha: if nothing else, to identify more easily what to review first, if it makes sense21:31
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armaxok, if there’s nothing else, let’s move to the next item in the agenda21:32
armax#topic Bugs and Gate issues21:33
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armaxdon’t forget of the looming switch to xenial as default node for newton+21:33
armaxso please think about the CI jobs for the repos you fancy21:34
armaxand help out with the switch21:34
armaxin neutron/neutron-lib we have nearly completed the switch21:34
armaxthere are a few CI jobs that needs switching for the python-neutronclient repo21:35
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johnsomI am working on LBaaS, FYI21:36
njohnstonI'll take a look for FWaaS21:36
kevinbentonhow are we doing with the gate failure rates?21:36
armaxkevinbenton: things may be skewed by the fact that we had a not so busy time recently21:37
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kevinbentonarmax: ack21:37
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armaxmy gut tells me that something has caused a recent spikes in failures for grenade and multinode jobs21:38
armaxbut it’s on speculations at this point, I have no hard data to back my claim up21:39
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armaxwe have a deputy of this week, we’d need a deputy for next week21:39
armaxstarting Monday 5th21:39
armaxany takers?21:39
mlavalleI can do it next week21:40
haleybi can volunteer21:40
armaxmlavalle: goes first21:40
armaxhaleyb: you ok with Dec 12?21:40
mlavallehaleyb: I can switch if that fits you21:40
haleybarmax: should be fine, just out starting 16th21:41
armax#action mlavalle and haleyb deputies for the weeks of 12/05 and 12/1221:41
armaxthanks guys21:41
kevinbentonthere weren't any showstopper bugs last week21:42
armaxnext topic21:42
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armaxthey were eating turkey too I guess21:42
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mlavalleand stuffing21:42
armax#topic Docs21:42
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armaxI believe newton branch has been cut for docs21:43
armaxnot sure how and if any docs changes in flight can be backported21:43
armaxit’d be good to find out21:43
armaxlooks like tehre’s nothing pressing to talk about docs21:44
armaxmoving on21:44
armax#topic OSC transition21:44
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armaxamotoki has not been around lately and he was the one particularly active on neutronclient21:45
armaxhelping with reviews etc21:45
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armaxanyone has spare cycles to help out on this front?21:45
kevinbentonreviews or code?21:46
armaxkevinbenton: reviews21:46
kevinbentoni can do some reviews21:46
kevinbentonis there a topic to look for?21:46
armaxnot that I know of21:46
armaxbut there’s a blueprint21:46
armaxand if that’s referenced in the patches, you should look for21:47
electrocucarachaafaik they have a etherpad for that21:47
armaxI mean bug 152129121:47
openstackbug 1521291 in neutron "[RFE] Transition neutron CLI from python-neutronclient to python-openstackclient" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Akihiro Motoki (amotoki)21:47
mlavallearmax: I will also take a look21:47
hichiharaI can help too.21:47
armaxbear in mind that python-neutronclient CLI development is froken from now on21:48
dasmor frozen?21:48
armaxso patches/bugs etc should target either the API client or existing CLI functionality or a translation to OSC CLIs commands21:49
dasanind_armax: etherpads for osc
armaxdasanind_: thanks!21:49
armaxok, moving on21:50
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armax#topic Neutron-lib and planned neutron refactoring21:50
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armaxboden has a change out that is documenting how the development workflow for neutron-lib takes place21:51
bodenit landed already.. #link
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armaxone of the things highlighted in that document is the introduction of a tag ‘NeutronLibImpact’ we’re gonna be using to capture any patch in flight that may have an effect on neutron and its repos21:52
armaxboden: thanks21:52
armaxso it’s easy to have a view of what’s about to land21:52
armaxor landed21:52
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armaxwe need to be particularly careful at landing code in an orderly fashion21:53
armaxbecause if we land two breaking changes at once we end up causing a jam in our gates21:53
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armaxlast week I reverted
kevinbentonhopefully it gets better the more we rip out21:55
armaxI issued revert
armaxto unjam the situatiion21:55
armaxand since that landed I am hoping we can reland 40215521:55
armaxkevinbenton: yes, I think there’s gonna be some interim pain for long term gain21:56
armaxHenryG: what do you rather land this week?21:56
armaxfrom least impactful to most impactful?21:57
armaxPLURALS eviction ‘seem’s the least impactful21:57
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armaxwe’re 2 minutes to the top of the hour, we’ll have to skip the open discussion section21:58
mlavallearmax: haleyb and I are switching our bug deputies weeks21:59
armaxmlavalle: ok21:59
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electrocucarachawell, I was just think about the impact of OSC transition on documentation, e. g.
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armaxas for the libimpact changes, my suggestion would be to go slow for now and try to space out the merging on changes that may have an impact21:59
armaxto ensure we don’t have too much on our plate at any given time22:00
armaxgotta free up the slot22:00
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njohnstonthanks all22:00
armaxthanks everyone!22:00
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