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| ruijie | evening yanyanhu | 13:01 |
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| yanyanhu | hi, ruijie | 13:01 |
| yanyanhu | sorry a little late | 13:01 |
| yanyanhu | let me start the meeting | 13:02 |
| yanyanhu | #startmeeting senlin | 13:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 27 13:02:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yanyanhu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'senlin' | 13:02 |
| yanyanhu | hi | 13:02 |
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| yanyanhu | hi, lxinhui, evening | 13:03 |
| yanyanhu | ok, lets wait for a while | 13:04 |
| lxinhui | hi | 13:04 |
| yanyanhu | hi, xinhui | 13:04 |
| lxinhui | Merry Xmas | 13:04 |
| yanyanhu | you too :) | 13:04 |
| lxinhui | :) | 13:05 |
| yanyanhu | how is the holiday | 13:05 |
| yanyanhu | any celebrating? | 13:05 |
| Qiming | hi | 13:06 |
| yanyanhu | hi, Qiming | 13:06 |
| yanyanhu | ok, lets get started | 13:06 |
| yanyanhu | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SenlinAgenda#Agenda_.282016-12-27_1300_UTC.29 | 13:06 |
| yanyanhu | here is the agenda, please feel free to add items | 13:06 |
| yanyanhu | #topic ocata workitem | 13:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ocata workitem (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:07 | |
| yanyanhu | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/senlin-ocata-workitems | 13:07 |
| yanyanhu | testing | 13:07 |
| yanyanhu | no progress | 13:07 |
| yanyanhu | Health management | 13:07 |
| yanyanhu | hi, lxinhui, any update about it? | 13:07 |
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| lxinhui | I am working on mistral support in Senlin | 13:08 |
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| yanyanhu | didn't saw further response from octavia team for that patch | 13:08 |
| yanyanhu | lxinhui, cool | 13:08 |
| lxinhui | https://review.openstack.org/414979 | 13:08 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming is working on sdk support I think | 13:08 |
| lxinhui | https://review.openstack.org/414919/ | 13:08 |
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| lxinhui | and small fix to Qiming's early patch on mistral | 13:09 |
| lxinhui | https://review.openstack.org/414755 | 13:09 |
| yanyanhu | nice | 13:09 |
| yanyanhu | will help to review that patch | 13:09 |
| lxinhui | one thing I wanna more discussion is about https://review.openstack.org/414979 | 13:09 |
| lxinhui | that is spec drafted for this workflow service support | 13:10 |
| lxinhui | change in Senlin will include driver, profile, and policy | 13:10 |
| yanyanhu | profile? | 13:11 |
| yanyanhu | you mean a profile type for mistral workflow? | 13:11 |
| lxinhui | in profile, I plan to add one method in nova server named as do_worflow | 13:11 |
| yanyanhu | lxinhui, I see | 13:11 |
| yanyanhu | or maybe that should be part of health policy? | 13:12 |
| lxinhui | in policy, I think we need support operation named as 'WORKFLOW' | 13:12 |
| lxinhui | and define new tags named as 'work_flow_parameters' | 13:12 |
| yanyanhu | lxinhui, yes, that makes sense | 13:12 |
| Qiming | should we trigger the workflow from within the policy? | 13:12 |
| Qiming | do you mean all profile types should be extended with workflow awareness? | 13:13 |
| lxinhui | under 'work_flow_parameters | 13:13 |
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| lxinhui | users can provide workflow_name, input, definition alike key-value | 13:13 |
| Qiming | yes, then that workflow should be triggered as one step of the recovery process | 13:14 |
| Qiming | it is a procedure to be called from the health policy, isn't it? | 13:14 |
| lxinhui | Qiming, instead of base profile, I prefer to add do_workflow into nova only | 13:14 |
| lxinhui | it is one of opetions of recover_action | 13:14 |
| Qiming | does that mean health policy is only applicable to nova server? | 13:14 |
| yanyanhu | just I feel maybe we don't need to define do_workflow for profile type? | 13:15 |
| lxinhui | since heat itself can coordinate with workflow | 13:15 |
| Qiming | yes, that is what I was thinking | 13:15 |
| yanyanhu | I guess we can mix the operations of nova server/heat stack in the same mistral workflow? | 13:15 |
| yanyanhu | not sure that understanding is correct | 13:15 |
| lxinhui | I do not think so | 13:15 |
| lxinhui | heat itslef can support workflow | 13:16 |
| Qiming | what do you mean by heat support to workflow? | 13:16 |
| lxinhui | if the stack need that function, they can think about how to achieve by their stack definition | 13:16 |
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| lxinhui | heat has mistral resources | 13:16 |
| Qiming | so what? it is not about a resource pool | 13:17 |
| lxinhui | Senlin is not resource pool :) | 13:17 |
| lxinhui | as we discussed | 13:17 |
| lxinhui | it only care about array operations | 13:17 |
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| * Qiming speechless | 13:17 | |
| lxinhui | that is my conservative opion about definition of resource pool | 13:18 |
| lxinhui | I come from Vmware and have own defintiion about resource pool | 13:18 |
| lxinhui | but it is not directly realted to stack | 13:18 |
| yanyanhu | hi, lxinhui, I feel a workflow which is triggered during HA progress could be consist of multiple different operations on different type of resources, e.g. nova server, heat stack or even loadbalancer. | 13:19 |
| lxinhui | here I would suggest to only support nova working together with mistral | 13:19 |
| lxinhui | yanyanhu, so you suggest put do_workflow in base profile? | 13:19 |
| yanyanhu | so I guess it could be more clear to splitting the workflow defintion from the profile types | 13:19 |
| lxinhui | what your suggestion | 13:20 |
| lxinhui | ? | 13:20 |
| yanyanhu | let me see | 13:20 |
| lxinhui | I understand what senlin suggest about stack, nova, container | 13:20 |
| lxinhui | just trying to deliver proper implements | 13:21 |
| lxinhui | so please suggest where to change? | 13:21 |
| lxinhui | put do_workflow into base profile? or somewhere else | 13:21 |
| yanyanhu | lxinhui, yes, understand. Just feel implementing workflow as an individual conception might be better? | 13:21 |
| lxinhui | what do you mena | 13:21 |
| lxinhui | I can add a driver about workflow service | 13:22 |
| yanyanhu | I mean workflow is just for HA purpose | 13:22 |
| yanyanhu | we allow users to define a workflow and pass its ID to senlin when creating HA policy | 13:22 |
| yanyanhu | this is the simplest case | 13:22 |
| lxinhui | that is what users can see | 13:22 |
| lxinhui | sure | 13:23 |
| lxinhui | but I think we are discussing about | 13:23 |
| lxinhui | where to put the do_workflow | 13:23 |
| lxinhui | the function will call mistral driver I will add to execute the given workflow | 13:23 |
| yanyanhu | let me see | 13:24 |
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| lxinhui | I just mentioned the planned change to health policy | 13:24 |
| lxinhui | that is where users can point to use workflow and all paramerts need | 13:24 |
| yanyanhu | if the do_workflow is for wrapping the workflow exection, maybe we just define it in side HA policy? | 13:25 |
| yanyanhu | inside | 13:25 |
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| lxinhui | when to execute? | 13:26 |
| lxinhui | attach? | 13:26 |
| yanyanhu | when failure is detected? | 13:26 |
| lxinhui | detection is executed else where | 13:26 |
| yanyanhu | yes, but the recovery method is defined in HA policy | 13:26 |
| lxinhui | you mean in heatlth manager? | 13:26 |
| lxinhui | yes | 13:27 |
| yanyanhu | lxinhui, ah, right | 13:27 |
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| yanyanhu | my fault, didn't express it clearly | 13:27 |
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| yanyanhu | in health manager | 13:27 |
| lxinhui | you mean we will parse the recover acions and all paramerts in health manager? | 13:27 |
| lxinhui | nowdays, actaully we only call cluster_recover | 13:27 |
| lxinhui | and cluster_recover will execute the defined action like rebuild or recreate... | 13:28 |
| yanyanhu | lxinhui, I'm not quite clear about the detail. So the recovery method is passed to cluster_recover as input params? | 13:28 |
| lxinhui | by implement do_workflow, I will add one option into do_recover | 13:28 |
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| yanyanhu | I see | 13:28 |
| Qiming | pre_op is determining exact recover operation to be done | 13:29 |
| lxinhui | policy attach will parse eerything and put it into cluster data | 13:29 |
| Qiming | we are about to add other options such as reboot, evacuate for nova servers | 13:29 |
| Qiming | once the SDK releases a new version | 13:29 |
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| Qiming | driver side is ready | 13:29 |
| lxinhui | yes | 13:29 |
| Qiming | before or after a recover action is taken, we can invoke the named workflow with the provided parameters | 13:30 |
| lxinhui | so that is the reason I think can put workflow as parallel option as these operations | 13:30 |
| lxinhui | why before or after? | 13:30 |
| Qiming | that is something we will add as conditions for users to specify | 13:30 |
| lxinhui | what something, could you explain more | 13:31 |
| Qiming | before doing nova server recovery operations, call this workflow to backup some data | 13:31 |
| lxinhui | that is just somewhere can be done | 13:31 |
| lxinhui | but for HA functions | 13:32 |
| Qiming | then after nova server recovery is done, call that workflow to recover something once the server is up | 13:32 |
| ruijie | in my current understanding, we add the workflow parameters to health_policy, when we detect failure of the nodes, we will call cluster_recover, and we can load the workflow parameters when do_revocer? | 13:32 |
| lxinhui | workflow itself can be one options of recover action | 13:32 |
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| lxinhui | if we define do_workflow, it can be called in before, after, and one of recover_actions | 13:33 |
| lxinhui | that is my understanding | 13:33 |
| Qiming | yes, in an ideal world, workflow should be easy to write and debug | 13:33 |
| Qiming | yes, we are talking about the same thing | 13:33 |
| Qiming | just I'm suggesting leaving the do_workflow call inside the health policy | 13:33 |
| yanyanhu | that means the do_workflow will be either pre_op or post_op of recover action | 13:35 |
| lxinhui | ok, little bit like lbaas implements | 13:35 |
| ruijie | then should we define these parameters in heath_policy and load them in pre_op | 13:35 |
| lxinhui | lbaas policy | 13:35 |
| Qiming | or modeled properly, can do both | 13:35 |
| Qiming | right. | 13:35 |
| yanyanhu | lxinhui, yes, policies all work in that way | 13:35 |
| Qiming | lbaas is the example | 13:35 |
| yanyanhu | yes, can be both | 13:35 |
| lxinhui | okay, I will revise the spec | 13:36 |
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| lxinhui | accoringly | 13:36 |
| yanyanhu | do need more thinking here | 13:36 |
| Qiming | if, unfortunately, we found that mistral is not trustworthy, we can advise users to use the healthpolicy cautiously | 13:36 |
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| Qiming | but trust our profile implementation | 13:36 |
| Qiming | just like lb policy | 13:36 |
| Qiming | if lbaas is forever immature, we abandon lb policy | 13:37 |
| lxinhui | make sense | 13:37 |
| yanyanhu | actually it's not difficult to write a new lb policy | 13:37 |
| Qiming | maybe we have been pushing too hard on the aspect-oriented programing (AOP) design philosophy | 13:38 |
| yanyanhu | even for some HW LB like f5 | 13:38 |
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| Qiming | if lbaas keeps failing us, it is not our fault | 13:38 |
| lxinhui | Qiming, please explain more about AOP | 13:38 |
| lxinhui | in senlin | 13:38 |
| Qiming | users can still develop their own lb policies | 13:38 |
| Qiming | we are modeling HA, LB, AutoScaling, Cross-AZ placement ... all as independent aspects of clusters | 13:39 |
| lxinhui | ... ok | 13:39 |
| Qiming | they can be combined in whatever way to meet user requirements | 13:39 |
| Qiming | I'm not saying this is a good philosophy ... just want you know what I came from | 13:40 |
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| lxinhui | just wanna confirm conceret meaning of aspect in Senlin. thanks | 13:40 |
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| lxinhui | it helps a lot | 13:41 |
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| yanyanhu | ok, lxinhui, please update the spec and lets have more discussion based on it | 13:41 |
| lxinhui | I think I got clear minds now and will revise the spec | 13:41 |
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| yanyanhu | need more thinking on both design and implementation detail | 13:42 |
| yanyanhu | thanks a lot | 13:42 |
| Qiming | great, some examples there would be very helpful | 13:42 |
| Qiming | agreed, yangyapeng | 13:42 |
| Qiming | oops | 13:42 |
| lxinhui | i will add live migration and resize as examples | 13:42 |
| yanyanhu | :) | 13:42 |
| lxinhui | simple but useful | 13:42 |
| Qiming | great | 13:43 |
| lxinhui | into exmaples | 13:43 |
| yanyanhu | nice | 13:43 |
| Qiming | if the specs is clear enough, people will be more familar with the design | 13:43 |
| yanyanhu | ok, if there is no further question on this item, lets move to next one | 13:43 |
| Qiming | they can help share the implementation, debugging, reviewing things | 13:43 |
| yanyanhu | yep | 13:44 |
| yanyanhu | ok, documentation | 13:44 |
| yanyanhu | User/developer doc for event dispatchers is done | 13:44 |
| yanyanhu | it has been merged | 13:44 |
| Qiming | also updated wiki pages | 13:44 |
| yanyanhu | thanks, Qiming | 13:44 |
| yanyanhu | also the API doc for node operation | 13:44 |
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| Qiming | there are picky eyes finding errors I made in the doc | 13:45 |
| yanyanhu | will help to review it soon | 13:45 |
| yanyanhu | :) | 13:45 |
| Qiming | a lot help we are getting recently | 13:45 |
| yanyanhu | ok, next one | 13:45 |
| yanyanhu | senlinclient test | 13:45 |
| yanyanhu | XueFengLiu, around? | 13:45 |
| XueFengLiu | yes | 13:46 |
| XueFengLiu | For senlinclient | 13:46 |
| yanyanhu | I think you're working on it:) | 13:46 |
| Qiming | if there are resources | 13:46 |
| Qiming | I'd suggest we start adding functional tests for senlinclient | 13:47 |
| XueFengLiu | OK | 13:47 |
| Qiming | maybe not for our own CLI | 13:47 |
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| XueFengLiu | Just begin to do | 13:47 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, yes, that will be very useful | 13:47 |
| Qiming | for the osc client plugin | 13:47 |
| yanyanhu | XueFengLiu, if you need help on how to setup the gate job | 13:47 |
| Qiming | so that we can ensure things are not broken along the way | 13:47 |
| yanyanhu | please just ping me | 13:47 |
| yanyanhu | will show you how to do it | 13:48 |
| XueFengLiu | ok, after this check work finish | 13:48 |
| yanyanhu | XueFengLiu, sure, no hurry | 13:48 |
| XueFengLiu | will try to ad functional tests | 13:48 |
| yanyanhu | great | 13:48 |
| yanyanhu | ok, next item. Versioned request | 13:49 |
| yanyanhu | so we are now working on renaming service calls | 13:49 |
| XueFengLiu | Most of them have finished | 13:49 |
| yanyanhu | thanks XueFengLiu, hongbao's work :) | 13:49 |
| XueFengLiu | such as call2... still need to rename | 13:50 |
| yanyanhu | yes | 13:50 |
| yanyanhu | need to clean them all | 13:50 |
| Qiming | there have been some conflicts | 13:50 |
| Qiming | but they are happy problems, it shows us how folks are working hardly recently | 13:51 |
| yanyanhu | yep | 13:51 |
| yanyanhu | they are all working on service module :) | 13:51 |
| Qiming | yes | 13:51 |
| yanyanhu | ok, container profile | 13:51 |
| yanyanhu | haiwei is not here? | 13:51 |
| Qiming | no update recently | 13:51 |
| yanyanhu | ok | 13:51 |
| Qiming | I think we will need to add a lot features there | 13:52 |
| yanyanhu | Events/Notifications | 13:52 |
| yanyanhu | so this job has been done, right? | 13:52 |
| Qiming | fixed some bugs in config | 13:52 |
| Qiming | documented | 13:52 |
| yanyanhu | I see | 13:52 |
| XueFengLiu | about docker | 13:52 |
| yanyanhu | yes, documentation for user/developer has been added and updated | 13:52 |
| Qiming | yes can close the event/notification topic now | 13:52 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, ok | 13:52 |
| Qiming | we can add some tutorials about consuming senlin notifications | 13:52 |
| XueFengLiu | QiMing fixed a problem:cluster and node is not both in config | 13:53 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, yes, that will be very helpful for users | 13:53 |
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| Qiming | just heads up, a quick update on profile type operations | 13:53 |
| Qiming | we are adding a lot operations that are supported by the backend resources | 13:53 |
| yanyanhu | ah, right | 13:54 |
| Qiming | for example, nova server supports start, stop, reboot, evacuate, migrate ... | 13:54 |
| yanyanhu | for those operations have been supported in sdk | 13:54 |
| Qiming | we are adding three calls recently | 13:54 |
| Qiming | senlin profile-type-ops | 13:54 |
| Qiming | will return a list of operations (with parameters specification) supported by a profile type | 13:54 |
| Qiming | senlin node do reboot -f role=slave -p type=soft <mynode> | 13:55 |
| Qiming | will reboot the specified nova server node | 13:55 |
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| Qiming | senlin cluster do reboot -f role=slave -p type=soft <mycluster> | 13:55 |
| yanyanhu | sounds great | 13:55 |
| Qiming | will reboot all nodes that have a role == slave to do a soft reboot | 13:56 |
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| Qiming | patches are almost all there | 13:56 |
| XueFengLiu | All of them are useful | 13:56 |
| yanyanhu | yes | 13:56 |
| lxinhui | very useful | 13:56 |
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| yanyanhu | ok, that's all items in the list | 13:57 |
| yanyanhu | we have only 3 mins left :) | 13:57 |
| Qiming | maybe we need a plan for O3? | 13:57 |
| yanyanhu | just reminding, we have less than a month before r3 release | 13:57 |
| yanyanhu | yes | 13:57 |
| Qiming | far less tan 1 month I think | 13:57 |
| Qiming | :D | 13:57 |
| yanyanhu | yep | 13:57 |
| yanyanhu | 3 weeks, including the holiday | 13:58 |
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| Qiming | or should we schedule a PTG somewhere? | 13:58 |
| yanyanhu | so please focus on the important feature on our plan | 13:58 |
| yanyanhu | and critical bugs | 13:58 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, sure, that will be great | 13:58 |
| yanyanhu | maybe we can have a discussion on it | 13:58 |
| yanyanhu | tomorrow, for the detail | 13:59 |
| Qiming | would be good to know how people are or want to use senlin | 13:59 |
| yanyanhu | yes | 13:59 |
| yanyanhu | ok, will think about it and sync with you guys | 13:59 |
| Qiming | \o/ | 13:59 |
| yanyanhu | to see when and where is acceptable for all of us | 13:59 |
| yanyanhu | ok, time is almost over | 13:59 |
| yanyanhu | thanks you guys for joining | 14:00 |
| XueFengLiu | good night:) | 14:00 |
| yanyanhu | have a good night and merry christmas and happy new year :) | 14:00 |
| yanyanhu | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
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| yuval | #startmeeting karbor | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 27 15:00:24 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yuval. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'karbor' | 15:00 |
| yuval | Hello everybody, and welcome to Karbor's wwekly meeting | 15:00 |
| yuval | *weekly | 15:00 |
| yuval | zhonghua: chenying zhangshuai ? | 15:01 |
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| yuval | oh well | 15:06 |
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