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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 5 00:00:17 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekcs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:00 |
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| ekcs | Welcome back everyone! Hope everyone had a nice break. | 00:00 |
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| aimeeu | Hello all - Happy 2017! | 00:01 |
| ekcs | hello aimeeu happy 2017! | 00:01 |
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| ekcs | Agenda items for today: | 00:02 |
| ekcs | - Extra-ATC | 00:02 |
| ekcs | - Ocata-3 schedule | 00:02 |
| ekcs | - Ocata-3 QA | 00:02 |
| ekcs | - Name and ID in API | 00:02 |
| ekcs | - status and open discussion | 00:02 |
| ekcs | anything else to add? | 00:02 |
| masahito | hi | 00:02 |
| masahito | happy new year | 00:02 |
| thinrichs1 | Happy New Year everyone! | 00:02 |
| ekcs | happy new year masahito ! | 00:02 |
| ekcs | happy new year thinrichs1 ! | 00:03 |
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| ekcs | ok then. let’s move right along = ) | 00:04 |
| ekcs | #topic extra-ATC | 00:04 |
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| ekcs | Extra-ATC proposal is due Friday. My bad for not having brought it up earlier. | 00:04 |
| ekcs | Anyone has an extra-ATC to propose? | 00:04 |
| thinrichs1 | Not me. | 00:05 |
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| ekcs | me neither. Well please let me know today or tomorrow if you do have someone to propose. | 00:06 |
| ekcs | #topic Ocata-3 schedule | 00:06 |
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| ekcs | Ocata-3 release and final client release are officially due on the week of Jan 23. | 00:06 |
| ekcs | #link https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html | 00:07 |
| ekcs | Here is a proposed schedule for us leading up to that. | 00:07 |
| ekcs | 1. Submit/revise patches for review by Jan 12 | 00:07 |
| ekcs | 2. Target merging by Jan 16 | 00:07 |
| ekcs | 3. Ocata-3 QA and fixes Jan 16 - Jan 20 | 00:07 |
| ekcs | 4. Target Jan 23 for release (allowing a few days slack room if we experience delays like bug fixes that take longer) | 00:07 |
| ekcs | Does that sound reasonable? Any thoughts or comments? | 00:07 |
| thinrichs1 | Sounds reasonable to me. | 00:09 |
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| ekcs | got it thinrichs1 | 00:10 |
| masahito | Sounds good to me. | 00:10 |
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| ekcs | Does anyone anticipate having difficulty getting Ocata patches submitted/revised by Jan 12? | 00:10 |
| ekcs | Feel free to let people know so we can help = ) | 00:10 |
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| ekcs | ok then. let’s aim to get our patches in by Jan 12 (next meeting). | 00:12 |
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| ekcs | #action everyone submit/revise ocata patches | 00:12 |
| ekcs | any other comments on ocata-3 schedule before we move on? | 00:13 |
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| ekcs | #topic Ocata-3 QA | 00:14 |
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| ekcs | I've set up some QA related tasks for Ocata-3. | 00:14 |
| ekcs | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bugs?field.tag=qa | 00:14 |
| ekcs | Could we take a quick look and see if they make sense? | 00:15 |
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| ekcs | Any comments on what to add/remove/restructure? | 00:15 |
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| masahito | How about adding a test that check datasource failover? | 00:17 |
| masahito | The list looks good to me. So this is an additional test for release. | 00:18 |
| thinrichs1 | Do we know what other teams do for QA? Are they manually setting up different setups? Or are they automating all that and putting it into the gate? | 00:18 |
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| ekcs | masahito: sounds like a good idea. you want to go ahead and add a task for that? | 00:20 |
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| ekcs | thinrichs1: I’m not sure. I imagine the more we can push into gate the better. | 00:21 |
| masahito | ekcs: sure. | 00:21 |
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| ekcs | thinrichs1: I just know from last cycle that we needed additional testing to catch many of the bugs. | 00:22 |
| thinrichs1 | Agreed. I was trying to figure out if it's feasible to move toward pushing more into the gate. | 00:23 |
| ekcs | thinrichs1: so the thinking is we can do some manual tests and try to generalize that to gate. some we can do right away while testing for ocata-3. (say setting up devstack test with postgres should be straight forward). some we can do during RC period. | 00:24 |
| ekcs | the task for collecting manual testing scripts would be a good start to strengthening integrated tests at gate. | 00:25 |
| thinrichs1 | All sounds good to me. | 00:25 |
| ekcs | alright feel free to make additional comments/changes on the tasks and also to sign up. | 00:26 |
| ekcs | let’s move on then. | 00:27 |
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| ekcs | #topic Name and ID in API | 00:27 |
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| ekcs | We had a discussion on this patch regarding accepting (policy & datasource) name and ID in API. | 00:28 |
| ekcs | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/412303/ | 00:28 |
| ekcs | The main issue is that as implemented, names and UUIDs can clash, causing ambiguity and misinterpretation of caller intent. | 00:30 |
| ekcs | I think everyone agrees we want to accept both name and UUID in the API calls, just not sure whether to disambiguate implicitly or explicitly. | 00:31 |
| ekcs | From the discussion I think we may have the following consensus: | 00:31 |
| ekcs | 1. legislate and enforce that names cannot have hyphens | 00:32 |
| ekcs | 2. legislate and enforce that IDs must have hyphens (or be disjoint from the space of names another way) | 00:32 |
| ekcs | 3. For historical and compatibility reasons, APIs will accept a name_or_id parameter and disambiguate based on which space the param belongs to (ie. whetehr it has hyphens) | 00:33 |
| thinrichs1 | I think that's right. Though I don't know how high on the priority list this is. The chances that someone wants to use something that looks like a UUID for a policy/datasource name is small IMO. | 00:34 |
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| thinrichs1 | The part of this that I think is higher-priority is ensuring that policy names and datasource names are valid identifiers in the policy language. | 00:35 |
| thinrichs1 | There are tests in there now for the policy names, but they don't seem to reject what they should. | 00:35 |
| ekcs | thinrichs1: got it. yes I agree that enforcing no-hyphens in identifiers is high priority. more likely to affect people. get it enforced sooner rather than later to avoid upgrade problems down the road. | 00:36 |
| ekcs | masahito , aimeeu do you have any thoughts? | 00:37 |
| masahito | it makes sense. | 00:38 |
| aimeeu | I do agree with getting the no-hyphens enforced sooner rather than later | 00:38 |
| ekcs | thinrichs1: and the discussion it’s only high priority because if we go a different way, we want to stop the spread of name_or_id use in the API right now. | 00:39 |
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| ekcs | the main argument I can see against this proposal is that it places restrictions on the form of the ID that we can’t change later without breaking API. So say openstack decides for some reason to universally adopt a different form of ID that doesn’t have dashes, then we have to break the API. | 00:40 |
| ekcs | but it’s unlikely and even if it happens we can deal with it then. | 00:40 |
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| ekcs | anyway ok. sounds like we’re all on board. ramineni too judging from her patches. | 00:41 |
| ekcs | thinrichs1: do you have any thoughts on how the hyphens are being let through in policy names? | 00:41 |
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| thinrichs1 | No idea. I imagine the check isn't running when new policies get created. | 00:42 |
| thinrichs1 | I'm pretty sure the check will fail if you give it a uuid | 00:43 |
| ekcs | ok. well hopefully we can figure this out and patch it up for ocata-3. I’ll do some more testing. | 00:43 |
| thinrichs1 | To run that check on datasource creation too, we'll want to pull it out into somewhere that the datasource creation code can easily import it. | 00:44 |
| thinrichs1 | I'll try to take a look tonight after the meeting. | 00:44 |
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| ekcs | right. that’s a question: should the check be done via compiler code or another code or both. | 00:44 |
| ekcs | ok then. let’s move on for now. thanks thinrichs1 ! | 00:44 |
| ekcs | #topic open discussion | 00:45 |
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| ekcs | any topics on your mind or statuses you’d like to update? | 00:45 |
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| ekcs | it’s still fairly rough right now, but if you get a chance, some early feedback on this patch would be helpful: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/416777/ | 00:48 |
| ekcs | I struggled with how to resolve this bug for quite a while. there are many many options and none of them really that great. | 00:48 |
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| ekcs | ok if there is nothing more to discuss, let’s end the meeting early. speak up in the next couple minutes if you want to talk about something = ) | 00:49 |
| thinrichs1 | Can you give an overview of what that patch is doing? | 00:50 |
| ekcs | yup. two main things: | 00:51 |
| ekcs | 1. lock rules table in DB | 00:51 |
| ekcs | 2. synchronize rules | 00:51 |
| ekcs | before each rule insert. | 00:51 |
| ekcs | it’s conceptually the simplest solution. a little bit messy because of db sessions and db specific locks and unlocks and all that stuff. | 00:52 |
| thinrichs1 | That seems like it should work. You said it wasn't great. Is it just messy? Or is there a problem it doesn't solve? | 00:53 |
| ekcs | i don’t like ti because it requires locking and syncing before every rule insert in prevent something (recursion) that has very low chance of happening. | 00:53 |
| ekcs | syncing is expensive, and locking prevents us from supporting multi-master HA DBs | 00:53 |
| thinrichs1 | Is it just recursion? | 00:54 |
| ekcs | at this point it’s just recursion I think. | 00:54 |
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| ekcs | if we decided to allow recursion then there is stratification to check. | 00:54 |
| ekcs | but there will always be something. | 00:54 |
| thinrichs1 | I guess recursion is a special instance of 2 people using the same table-name for different things. (Unless they're actively trying to break the system.) | 00:55 |
| thinrichs1 | If it's just recursion, we could change eval to fail when it recurses instead of infinite looping. | 00:56 |
| thinrichs1 | Then people would figure it out on their own. | 00:56 |
| ekcs | yea that’s a possibility. | 00:56 |
| thinrichs1 | And then in this wacky case where 2 people accidentally create recursion, they'd end up having to dig into the problem anyway. | 00:57 |
| thinrichs1 | And someone trying to break the system couldn't. | 00:57 |
| ekcs | downside there is it would look like your rule got in there and you may expect it is being used/enforced/monitored. | 00:57 |
| ekcs | we could also back out the latest rule by timestamp when recursion detected. | 00:58 |
| thinrichs1 | Sure, but it's broken anyway b/c someone else used the same tablename for their own thing. | 00:58 |
| thinrichs1 | So you wouldn't get the results you want in any case. | 00:58 |
| ekcs | actually people can use the same table for the same thing and still cause recursion. | 00:58 |
| thinrichs1 | It's just that on the off-chance 2 people use the same tablename for different things AND they happen to refer to each other's recursively that we catch the bug at the time the policy is inserted. | 00:58 |
| ekcs | a may say p => q and b may say q => p. both meaning the same thing just defining in diff direction. | 00:59 |
| thinrichs1 | Not in datalog they can't. | 00:59 |
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| thinrichs1 | p :- q and q :- p mean different things. | 00:59 |
| thinrichs1 | Anyway, out of time. | 01:00 |
| ekcs | yea. | 01:00 |
| ekcs | ok then! maybe we can talk more about it outside. | 01:00 |
| thinrichs1 | I'm in #congress if want to continue | 01:00 |
| ekcs | great. | 01:00 |
| ekcs | thanks all! have a great week! | 01:00 |
| ekcs | #endmeeting | 01:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 5 01:00:57 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-01-05-00.00.html | 01:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-01-05-00.00.txt | 01:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-01-05-00.00.log.html | 01:01 |
| masahito | bye | 01:01 |
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| ianychoi | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 5 13:00:48 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ianychoi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 13:00 |
| ianychoi | Hello jftalta! | 13:01 |
| jftalta | Hello ianychoi ! | 13:01 |
| jftalta | all my best for 2017 ! | 13:02 |
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| ianychoi | 2017 has already come ! | 13:02 |
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| eumel8 | morning! | 13:02 |
| ianychoi | Hi eumel8 ! | 13:02 |
| jftalta | Hi eumel8 | 13:02 |
| eumel8 | 2 minutes late | 13:03 |
| jftalta | ;) | 13:03 |
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| ianychoi | That's fine :) Okay.. let's first start with general meeting logistics so that we can have more time on discussion | 13:03 |
| ianychoi | #topic Review on last meeting actions | 13:04 |
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| ianychoi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2016/openstack_i18n_meeting.2016-12-22-13.03.html | 13:04 |
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| ianychoi | One action from ianychoi and jftalta was to apply themes on French landing page after current patch is merged. I will start to do after this week | 13:04 |
| jftalta | Ok. The french version of Mitaka installation guide is on line, indeed. | 13:06 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, that's nice! | 13:06 |
| ianychoi | #topic Zanata upgrade status | 13:06 |
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| ianychoi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/i18n-zanata-test-for-translate-dev | 13:07 |
| jftalta | #link http://docs.openstack.org/fr/ | 13:07 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, helped to test #13 and 15. Thanks a lot! | 13:07 |
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| ianychoi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-i18n/2016-December/002632.html | 13:07 |
| eumel8 | what is work status O? | 13:09 |
| ianychoi | Steve Kowalik suggested good test items. Although I am not currently familiar with some of the parts too much, I will take care of this. | 13:09 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, 'O' means that test has performed and it works well! | 13:09 |
| eumel8 | ah, very good | 13:09 |
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| amotoki | hi, happy new year | 13:10 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, hello! | 13:10 |
| jftalta | Hi amotoki ! | 13:11 |
| eumel8 | hi amotiki, you too | 13:11 |
| amotoki | glad to hear that French team has a new landing page :) | 13:11 |
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| eumel8 | ianychoi: something to help? or it seems all tests pass through | 13:12 |
| ianychoi | After Zanata test, then I will discuss with clarkb to upgrade to newer version of Zanata | 13:12 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, two parts are mainly remained: 1) po file import & export and 2) seeing Zanata raw log messages for warning and/or errors | 13:13 |
| jftalta | New Zanata version witj glossary management feature ! | 13:13 |
| jftalta | *with | 13:13 |
| ianychoi | For 1), I am finding how I am able to use current infra scripts with translate-dev.o.o and for 2), Alex Eng said that he will be able to help it | 13:13 |
| eumel8 | ok | 13:14 |
| ianychoi | #link https://translate.zanata.org/ | 13:14 |
| amotoki | Upgrading zanata sounds nice. however let me raise one question. | 13:14 |
| amotoki | the soft string-freeze is now two week away. | 13:14 |
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| amotoki | do we have enough time to test a new translation infra? | 13:14 |
| ianychoi | And.. this from Zanata team has 3.9.6 version, which may be a good reference | 13:15 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, I really wanted to incorporate newer version of Zanata before Soft StringFreeze. However, it seems that we do not have enough time.. | 13:15 |
| amotoki | I might be conservative. I am playing such role :) | 13:16 |
| ianychoi | That's fine :) Now I do not want to change Zanata version in translate.o.o within Pike cycle | 13:17 |
| ianychoi | Sorry Ocata cycle | 13:17 |
| amotoki | we have three weeks before the final RC week. we can be optimistic :) | 13:17 |
| amotoki | #link https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html | 13:18 |
| ianychoi | It actually depends on how we test completely with newer version of Zanata and Xenial.. | 13:18 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, thanks a lot for such remainder | 13:18 |
| ianychoi | Good news is that clarkb is kindly waiting for current test results to upgrade newer version of Zanata | 13:19 |
| ianychoi | (I have seen his IRC meeting on infra channel yesterday night - UTC based) | 13:19 |
| ianychoi | s/meeting/message | 13:19 |
| amotoki | ianychoi: is there a way to revert the translate site to the current version if we have some critical problem? | 13:20 |
| amotoki | if we have a feasible way, IMHO it sounds good to move it forward. | 13:20 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, oh good question. Since Zanata installation is based on Puppet, I think it is possible but we need to check database side. | 13:21 |
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| amotoki | what in my mind is our translation memory and related stuff. | 13:21 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, could you look at how database backup is done in puppet-zanata? | 13:22 |
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| amotoki | and our comments and history on Zanata. I am not sure that puppet installation can help it. | 13:23 |
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| ianychoi | I need to figure out 1) which database configuration is used in translate-dev and translate.o.o and 2) how database can be backed up and restored from.. | 13:24 |
| amotoki | I think nobody knows it now. I believe it is worth checked before the upgrade! | 13:24 |
| amotoki | ianychoi: totally agree | 13:24 |
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| ianychoi | Okay, then I will ask with infra team members thanks a lot, amotoki ! | 13:24 |
| ianychoi | #action ianychoi will figure out how Zanata database can be backed up and restored from old backup(s) regarding Zanata upgrade | 13:25 |
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| amotoki | anyway we don't lose all. we have PO files in our git repos. | 13:25 |
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| ianychoi | amotoki, thanks a lot for this important point! | 13:25 |
| ianychoi | Then.. moving on the next topic? | 13:26 |
| jftalta | ok for me | 13:26 |
| ianychoi | #topic Pike PTG | 13:26 |
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| ianychoi | #link http://www.openstack.org/ptg | 13:27 |
| eumel8 | couldn't see anything regarding backups: https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/system-config/tree/modules/openstack_project/manifests/translate.pp | 13:27 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, thanks! | 13:27 |
| eumel8 | normaly it would be configured in mysql class | 13:27 |
| ianychoi | I am planning to go to PTG and I will usually stay in Doc team's room but I will also go to infra, Horizon, and other team's rooms | 13:28 |
| eumel8 | mysql::backup - something like that | 13:28 |
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| amotoki | ianychoi: do you mean you stay Atlanta on Mon and Tue? | 13:28 |
| ianychoi | So now I will propose to specify "Documentation / I18n" in PTG homepage, although I need to confirm again with Lana, Docs team PTL. | 13:29 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: what's with your PTL nomination? :-) | 13:29 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, Mon and Tue are definitely and I am now arranging my schedule up to Wed and Thu | 13:29 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, PTL nomination for Pike cycle? | 13:30 |
| eumel8 | sure | 13:30 |
| amotoki | I will be there but perhaps I will join OSC and horizon on Mon/Tue and neutron on Wed-Fri. | 13:30 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, now I want to do also with Pike cycle, if you and other members agree and nominate me :) | 13:31 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, oh nice! Let's meet in Atlanta then.. although we each may be busy :) | 13:32 |
| amotoki | ianychoi: you can nominate yourself anyway though :) | 13:32 |
| jftalta | +1 | 13:32 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, but I think it is difficult for me to run for next Q-cycle | 13:32 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: we count on you and I think you have already decided this for you | 13:33 |
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| ianychoi | since I am supposed to server Korean user group leader up to next year. Last December, there was an election in Korean community | 13:33 |
| ianychoi | So I think it is difficult for me to run for next Q-cycle | 13:34 |
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| amotoki | it sounds interesting too :) | 13:34 |
| eumel8 | so, we have a plan and can work through the PTG | 13:34 |
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| eumel8 | ianychoi: you have our support all the time :) | 13:35 |
| ianychoi | For me, P cycle is relatively short and I want to make a good transition with upcoming Forum | 13:35 |
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| ianychoi | eumel8, thanks a lot :) | 13:35 |
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| ianychoi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-January/109658.html | 13:35 |
| ianychoi | The link is what I wrote and shared with you today | 13:35 |
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| eumel8 | yeah | 13:36 |
| ianychoi | In my opinion, our voice in this transition period (Ocata and Pike cycle) would be so important | 13:36 |
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| -amotoki- personally cannot be a translator for O cycle but will help the community from other sides | 13:36 | |
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| ianychoi | amotoki, I appreciate your kind help from various sides all the time | 13:37 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: you have still some ideas for the Forum? | 13:37 |
| amotoki | I can leave a comment on the forum at Boston and later, but I hope more feedback from translators! | 13:38 |
| ianychoi | One idea is to propose extra AUCs for translators who highly influence with local communities | 13:38 |
| amotoki | I have many hats and mainly my hat is a developer, so more global inputs would be appreciated. | 13:38 |
| jftalta | amotoki: what kind of inputs do you need ? | 13:39 |
| amotoki | jftalta: inputs on a topic ianychoi raised at the above mail | 13:40 |
| ianychoi | AUCs and ATCs are different. For I18n, currently translating more than 300 words within latest two cycles are regarded as ATCs. However, some aspects for translators may be related with AUCs | 13:40 |
| amotoki | we need to gather feedbacks from the i18n/l10n communities and input them to the foundation so that the summit will be more comfortable and useful for translators. | 13:42 |
| jftalta | Don't you think that 300 words is a too low limit ? | 13:42 |
| amotoki | that's the background of this discussion. | 13:42 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, I agree with this. Which number of words would be appropriate? | 13:43 |
| amotoki | IMHO 300 words is a reasonable threshold for ATC, but I am not sure it is reasonable for AUC. | 13:43 |
| amotoki | Based on my impression, folks recognized as AUC contributed more (in the past) | 13:44 |
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| amotoki | of course the criteria of AUC is under discussion (I think( | 13:44 |
| ianychoi | For developers, ATCs are regarded with at least one commit within latest 2 release cycles. 300 words would be too small comparing to 1 commit? | 13:45 |
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| ianychoi | The criteria of ATC is related with question. | 13:45 |
| jftalta | Reviews also matter, not only translations | 13:45 |
| ianychoi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2016-November/009294.html | 13:46 |
| amotoki | jftalta: really good point! | 13:46 |
| ianychoi | And this is for AUC criteria, then IMO 300 words may be too small.. | 13:47 |
| jftalta | ianychoi: +1 | 13:47 |
| persia | Reviews don't grant ATC (which has been a discussion point about ATCs in the past). Some software commits are lots less than 300 words. Rather than mirroring other processes, I strongly recommend selecting new ones that include anyone who should be considered a translator. | 13:47 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, then 300 words for translation or review would be a good idea for ATC recognition? | 13:47 |
| amotoki | my vote is more words for reviews, e.g. 600 or 1000 words | 13:48 |
| ianychoi | persia, Thanks. I understand your point but some translation review may change all the sentences.. | 13:48 |
| amotoki | but a bigger question is how to evaluate the number of reviews with quality | 13:48 |
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| ianychoi | jftalta, amotoki : question: how review quality will be measured? | 13:49 |
| ianychoi | or at least translation quality? | 13:49 |
| amotoki | persia: good point. so far "review" is not a requirement of ATC. IMO it is better to follow the other criteria applied to other projects. | 13:50 |
| jftalta | ianychoi: quality ? no idea... | 13:50 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, Haha neither from me | 13:50 |
| amotoki | ianychoi: it is a difficult question. JP community has a difficulty on how to evaluate potential "reviewers"...... | 13:51 |
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| amotoki | it is not easy to share/see review comments of others on the current Zanata platform. | 13:51 |
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| ianychoi | By the way, when I see https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html amotoki shared, | 13:52 |
| ianychoi | Tomorrow is the deadline for extra ATC | 13:52 |
| amotoki | core reviewers of other projects can see other reviewers' comments on the gerrit, but it is not easy on our Zanata :( | 13:52 |
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| ianychoi | I will take care of proposing extra ATCs by seeing Zanata statistics | 13:53 |
| amotoki | ianychoi: I think it is better to follow the conventions on the extra ATC for Ocata. | 13:53 |
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| amotoki | time check: 5 minites left | 13:54 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, yep following the current logistics for proposing extra ATCs would be better now.. | 13:54 |
| ianychoi | #topic Discussing core reviewers with language teams | 13:54 |
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| jftalta | time flies | 13:55 |
| ianychoi | I wanted to raise this topic but I will postpone it to the next week | 13:55 |
| ianychoi | #topic | 13:55 |
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| ianychoi | #topic Asking for reviewing i18n-specs | 13:55 |
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| ianychoi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/i18n-specs | 13:55 |
| ianychoi | Please also review i18n-specs :) | 13:55 |
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| amotoki | how about sending topics proposed in i18n-specs to the i18n ML? | 13:56 |
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| ianychoi | Although my work is a little bit slow, I am polishing i18n-specs to well display in specs.openstack.org | 13:56 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, can I see some examples how proposed topics are sent to mailing lists? | 13:57 |
| ianychoi | from other projects maybe? | 13:57 |
| amotoki | ianychoi: I don't know how to automate it. I think we need to send them manually | 13:57 |
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| ianychoi | amotoki, aha I see | 13:57 |
| amotoki | :) | 13:58 |
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| ianychoi | Then the next step for i18n-specs will be to fill out with content: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/i18n-specs-use-cases would be examples | 13:58 |
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| ianychoi | Okay.. no time is left.. | 13:59 |
| ianychoi | If you have more things to be discussed, please call me in #openstack-i18n channel. | 13:59 |
| ianychoi | Thanks a lot today, jftalta , eumel8 , and amotoki ! | 13:59 |
| eumel8 | thx, bye :) | 14:00 |
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| ianychoi | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 5 14:00:05 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| jftalta | thx, bye | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-01-05-13.00.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-01-05-13.00.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-01-05-13.00.log.html | 14:00 |
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| amotoki | ianychoi and all: thanks! | 14:00 |
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| oomichi | #startmeeting qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 5 17:00:52 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oomichi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:00 |
| oomichi | hi who join the meeting today? | 17:01 |
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| jordanP | hi | 17:01 |
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| jordanP | mtreinish, andreaf gmann you here ? | 17:02 |
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| oomichi | ping mtreinish, andreaf, masayukig | 17:02 |
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| mtreinish | o/ | 17:02 |
| oomichi | ok, lets start meeting | 17:03 |
| oomichi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_January_5th_2017_.280900_UTC.29 | 17:03 |
| oomichi | ^^^ is today agenda | 17:03 |
| oomichi | #topic PTG | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:03 | |
| jordanP | question about the PTG, should we expect design sessions or coding/handson session ? | 17:03 |
| oomichi | jordanP: I feel that is design session | 17:04 |
| oomichi | according to https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ | 17:04 |
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| oomichi | "project teams will meet in person to discuss priorities for the upcoming cycle, iterate quickly on solutions for complex issues, and make fast progress on critical items." | 17:04 |
| jordanP | ok, but that won't last a full day, we have only 3 proposed "sessions" now | 17:04 |
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| mtreinish | oomichi: well it is free form. We get a room, so it's up to us to decide the format | 17:05 |
| oomichi | jordanP: yeah, I see the 3, thanks for proposing | 17:05 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: have you put the etherpad on the ml? | 17:05 |
| jordanP | yes, I've seen it on the ML | 17:05 |
| oomichi | mtreinish: can we arrange the slots as we like | 17:05 |
| oomichi | ? | 17:05 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: there are no slots, we get a room for a block of time | 17:05 |
| oomichi | mtreinish: yeah, I have posted it on ml | 17:05 |
| oomichi | mtreinish: that means we can use a room for a single QA project 2 full days? | 17:06 |
| clarkb | one thing I was thinking about was potentially setting aside time for infra/qa to work with other projects on dealign with gate failures, reading logs, using elastic-recheck etc | 17:06 |
| mtreinish | ok, I must ahve just missed it because of my time off, or the holidays | 17:06 |
| mtreinish | clarkb: yeah that's a good idea | 17:06 |
| oomichi | clarkb: cool | 17:07 |
| mtreinish | clarkb: that was part of the reason why it's horizontal teams only the first couple of days | 17:07 |
| clarkb | mtreinish: yup | 17:07 |
| mtreinish | to try and get more people involved in stuff :) | 17:07 |
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| oomichi | yes, it is nice to write ideas for involving | 17:08 |
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| jordanP | for Tempest, I would like to spend most of my time coding with you. But I am open for discussions too :) | 17:08 |
| oomichi | mtreinish: again: we can use a room for a single QA project 2 full days? | 17:08 |
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| clarkb | oomichi: that is my understanding | 17:09 |
| oomichi | jordanP: TBH, +1 for coding :) | 17:09 |
| clarkb | (I don't know if it will be one team to one room though, but you should have space for that 2 days dedicated to qa) | 17:09 |
| oomichi | clarkb: I got it, so we can manage how to use the room as we can | 17:09 |
| oomichi | that is nice :) | 17:10 |
| jordanP | *as we want :) | 17:10 |
| oomichi | yes :) | 17:10 |
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| oomichi | ok, are there another topic related to PTG? | 17:10 |
| oomichi | ok, lets move on | 17:11 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: I think it might be worthwhile to ask on the ML about specifics for topics about getting involved | 17:11 |
| mtreinish | like are there things people would like to learn about qa and/or infra | 17:11 |
| mtreinish | just to collect a slightly different set of topics people might be interested in | 17:12 |
| oomichi | mtreinish: ah, that seems a general session a little bit like the summit? | 17:12 |
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| jordanP | yeah, but smaller and more interactive | 17:12 |
| mtreinish | jordanP: right | 17:13 |
| oomichi | for learning qa/infra in general session, not design session | 17:13 |
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| mtreinish | oomichi: I was thinking along the same lines as clarkb, part of the reason for having 2 dedicated days with horizontal teams was to get more people involved | 17:13 |
| mtreinish | so getting some idea of what people would like to learn might give us some more ideas on how to organize the ptg time | 17:13 |
| oomichi | mtreinish: that would be productive | 17:14 |
| jordanP | ok: | 17:15 |
| oomichi | ok, please write some ideas on the etherpad to do that and I will send a mail to get more attention | 17:15 |
| jordanP | #action oomichi to ask on the ML if people are interested in some general qa/infra sessions | 17:15 |
| jordanP | something along those lines :) | 17:15 |
| oomichi | jordanP: yeah, that is my homework | 17:16 |
| jordanP | let's move on | 17:16 |
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| oomichi | is it ok to move on ? | 17:16 |
| oomichi | got it | 17:16 |
| oomichi | #topic Specs Reviews | 17:16 |
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| oomichi | small number of specs on #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z | 17:17 |
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| oomichi | HA spec seems needed to be updated | 17:17 |
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| oomichi | resource one also needs to be updated, but I'd like to skip it on this Ocata cycle due to less time | 17:18 |
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| mtreinish | oomichi: well we can prod andreaf some more to still revise it | 17:19 |
| mtreinish | having it in good shape before the ptg would be best I think | 17:19 |
| oomichi | mtreinish: now the resource spec is owned by me, and yeah it is nice to prepare for PTG before | 17:19 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: ah, ok. I forgot you took it over | 17:20 |
| oomichi | yeah, it is easy to forget that due to different owner :) | 17:20 |
| oomichi | including me | 17:21 |
| oomichi | ok, lets move on if we dont have more items about spec | 17:21 |
| oomichi | #topic Tempest | 17:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tempest (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:22 | |
| oomichi | The bug triage seems in very good progress from https://github.com/oomichi/bug-counter#current-graph | 17:22 |
| oomichi | now the bug number is less 150 | 17:23 |
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| oomichi | This week bug triage is done by chandankumar | 17:24 |
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| oomichi | but he doesnt seem online today | 17:24 |
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| mtreinish | heh, someone was busy right before the holidays. That's quite the drop off | 17:24 |
| oomichi | mtreinish: yep, that is :) | 17:24 |
| oomichi | do we have topics about Tempest today? | 17:25 |
| jordanP | nope, but I'd like some reviews on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/413739/ | 17:26 |
| jordanP | Port object_storage tests to Py3. | 17:26 |
| jordanP | nothing urgent though | 17:26 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/413739/ | 17:26 |
| mtreinish | jordanP: cool, I'll take a look | 17:27 |
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| mtreinish | jordanP: so you're running tempest with py3 locally? | 17:27 |
| oomichi | jordanP: I got it, btw do we run Tempest on the gate with both py3 and py2? | 17:27 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: only in unit tests | 17:27 |
| jordanP | mtreinish, yeah, I did run tempest on py3 locally | 17:28 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: tempest runs are still only py2 | 17:28 |
| jordanP | results are encouraging | 17:28 |
| mtreinish | jordanP: oh, cool. It's been a while since I last tried that, it wasn't in the best shape back then | 17:28 |
| jordanP | I say we are very close to having it running fine, at least locally | 17:28 |
| oomichi | I did breke some gate before due to this kind of patches on Nova side, so I'd like to confirm that | 17:28 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: dims is working on getting devstack running in the gate with py3 | 17:29 |
| jordanP | I am running tempest wirh py3, all other services running Py2 | 17:29 |
| mtreinish | although that technically isn't a blocker for running tempest under py3 | 17:29 |
| oomichi | jordanP: oh, awesome. | 17:29 |
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| mtreinish | it does make it easier from a gating perspective to just have a global flag USE_PYTHON3 in devstack | 17:29 |
| oomichi | mtreinish: that is good work | 17:29 |
| oomichi | ok, I will review it later anyways | 17:30 |
| oomichi | lets move on if we don't have more topics related to Tempest today | 17:31 |
| oomichi | #topic DevStack + Grenade | 17:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "DevStack + Grenade (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:32 | |
| oomichi | do we have disussion items about them? | 17:32 |
| oomichi | there are a lot of +2ed patches on the devstack queue anyways | 17:33 |
| oomichi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack-dev/devstack+status:open | 17:33 |
| jordanP | yep | 17:33 |
| oomichi | jordanP: ah, you are deprecating a lot of Tempest options and that would require Devstack patches also for removing the options | 17:34 |
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| jordanP | yeah, yeah, devstack changes have been proposed already | 17:35 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: there is the py3 work dims was doing that I mentioned earlier | 17:35 |
| oomichi | jordanP: cool, I will see them | 17:35 |
| mtreinish | but I think all the patches he had up for that are already approved | 17:35 |
| oomichi | mtreinish: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/416064/ is ? | 17:36 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: that's the latest patch yes | 17:36 |
| mtreinish | there were others that I think have already merged | 17:36 |
| oomichi | mtreinish: are there patches for Tempest? | 17:37 |
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| mtreinish | not that I've seen | 17:37 |
| mtreinish | well besides jordanP's from earlier :) | 17:38 |
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| oomichi | hehe, I got it | 17:38 |
| oomichi | ok, lets move on to the next topic | 17:39 |
| oomichi | #topic openstack-health | 17:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "openstack-health (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:39 | |
| jordanP | there have been a mass +2 on devstack changes | 17:39 |
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| oomichi | jordanP: yeah, thare is a lot | 17:40 |
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| mtreinish | I have nothing on openstack-health this week. I think things have been pretty quiet on it lately | 17:41 |
| oomichi | mtreinish: yeah there are not so many active patches today on https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/openstack-health+status:open | 17:41 |
| oomichi | ok, lets move on | 17:41 |
| oomichi | #topic Critical Reviews | 17:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Critical Reviews (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:41 | |
| oomichi | do we have patches needed to be reviewed asap today? | 17:42 |
| oomichi | from my side, I don't have | 17:43 |
| jordanP | there was https://review.openstack.org/#/c/417009/ earlier | 17:43 |
| jordanP | which got abandonned, but asks a question | 17:43 |
| jordanP | what should we do if we break a project because they improperly imported/used non tempest/lib code ? | 17:43 |
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| oomichi | jordanP: Ideally, that should be fixed on project side, IMO | 17:44 |
| oomichi | like this case | 17:44 |
| mtreinish | jordanP: normally there is a quick fix in the consuming project because there is a supported way of doing it | 17:44 |
| mtreinish | but if there isn't a quick fix I think a revert is appropriate | 17:44 |
| oomichi | but if the effect is so big, it is possible to revert it case by case | 17:45 |
| jordanP | ok, we are on the same page | 17:45 |
| jordanP | oomichi, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/415532/ | 17:45 |
| jordanP | and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/405691/ | 17:45 |
| jordanP | they are duplicates | 17:45 |
| jordanP | but yours depend on a patch that is not going to be merged soon :) | 17:46 |
| jordanP | anyway, it's not critical, we can discuss this in #qa | 17:46 |
| oomichi | jordanP: I win the race, but yeah that contains problem as you said ;) | 17:46 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: heh, I like how sdague +2'd both :) | 17:47 |
| oomichi | jordanP: I drop it now :) | 17:47 |
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| oomichi | haha, that is not good | 17:47 |
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| jordanP | sdague, was like 'let's see who wins this !' | 17:47 |
| oomichi | jordanP: yeah, then you win now | 17:48 |
| jordanP | bottom line is, we should all do more devstack reviews :) | 17:48 |
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| oomichi | jordanP: btw you seem to check unnecessary options of Tempest, the check is done already ? | 17:48 |
| jordanP | I think I have it all covered yes | 17:49 |
| jordanP | but a second pair of eyes always help | 17:49 |
| oomichi | jordanP: cool, thanks so much for that | 17:49 |
| jordanP | I've only done half of the job, the rest is to actually delete the options | 17:49 |
| jordanP | now they are just deprecated | 17:49 |
| oomichi | yeah, they are nice steps | 17:50 |
| oomichi | do we have more patches to be reviewed today? | 17:51 |
| oomichi | #topic Open Discussion | 17:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:51 | |
| mmedvede | hi, I'd like to request permission for voting on DevStack patches for IBM PowerKVM CI, is there a quorum here for a decision? | 17:51 |
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| oomichi | mmedvede: is that stable now? | 17:52 |
| mmedvede | it is mostly stable, 7 day history: http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=devstack&time=7+days | 17:52 |
| mmedvede | I'd say it sometimes gives a false negative, but it is not much worse than jenkins at that, and we try to recheck when it happens | 17:53 |
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| jordanP | I am not found of the idea | 17:54 |
| jordanP | we already have a hard time we the community gate | 17:55 |
| jordanP | mmedvede, why do you want to make it voting ? | 17:55 |
| jordanP | I mean, if we broke you and you are known here we can quickly work together | 17:55 |
| jordanP | to come up with a fix | 17:55 |
| mmedvede | It does catch valid problems sometimes for the platform (KVM on Power) | 17:55 |
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| mtreinish | jordanP: fwiw, voting doesn't really mean much. It just means it can leave a -1 on the patch, but it doesn't block anything | 17:56 |
| mmedvede | voting gives a bit more visibility, that is what voting for, right? :) | 17:56 |
| jordanP | your CI should give you confidence about the stuff you deliver to your customers, why involve the community ? | 17:56 |
| jordanP | mtreinish, I didnt know that | 17:56 |
| jordanP | I though it would blocl | 17:56 |
| jordanP | block | 17:56 |
| mmedvede | jordanP: yes, it would not block the gate | 17:56 |
| jordanP | then, I am not against having it voting | 17:57 |
| jordanP | it's something :) | 17:57 |
| oomichi | if that would be voting and give -1 on unrelated patches, that makes the review process slow | 17:57 |
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| oomichi | because reviewers tend to avoid -1 voting patches | 17:58 |
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| oomichi | and patch owners start getting angry to the CI which gives -1 | 17:58 |
| mmedvede | that is correct, but our CI is stable enough | 17:59 |
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| jordanP | we are out of time, sorry... | 17:59 |
| mmedvede | and we also disable reporting when we catch our ci going haywire | 17:59 |
| oomichi | mmedvede ok, let's discuss it more on qa channel due to the time | 17:59 |
| mmedvede | ok | 17:59 |
| oomichi | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 5 17:59:59 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-01-05-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-01-05-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| oomichi | thanks all :) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-01-05-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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| stevemar | o/ | 19:01 |
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| dtroyer | o/ | 19:03 |
| dtroyer | #startmeeting openstackclient | 19:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 5 19:03:32 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstackclient)" | 19:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient' | 19:03 |
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| stevemar | howdy | 19:04 |
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| dtroyer | Thanks to stevemar and huanxuan we have an actual agenda at | 19:04 |
| dtroyer | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osc-weekly-meeting | 19:04 |
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| huanxuan | o/ | 19:04 |
| huanxuan | hi dtroyer and stevemar | 19:04 |
| stevemar | hi huanxuan! | 19:05 |
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| dtroyer | courtesy meeting ping: dhellmann, rtheis,, sheel,, thingee, ankur-gupta-f | 19:05 |
| dtroyer | #topic releases | 19:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "releases (Meeting topic: openstackclient)" | 19:05 | |
| dtroyer | Lets start with a release bit first though, should be quick | 19:05 |
| huanxuan | ok | 19:05 |
| dtroyer | I'd like to get two releases in before the freeze, one early next week and the second a week or so later | 19:06 |
| dtroyer | this touches on ▪https://review.openstack.org/412614 | 19:06 |
| dtroyer | in that introduces volume v3, but is not complete. | 19:06 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: that sounds good. we're 2 weeks away from non-client library freeze, and 3 weeks aware from library freeze | 19:07 |
| dtroyer | do we want to hold off on that until it is more complete? I'm unsure about leaving something partly done like that in a stable release | 19:07 |
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| stevemar | how is it "partly done" ? | 19:07 |
| dtroyer | AIUI it is just a clone of v2 at this point, no new changes | 19:08 |
| huanxuan | yes it almost is | 19:08 |
| huanxuan | there are some new features in v3 | 19:09 |
| dtroyer | are those features im plemented in the initial review? | 19:09 |
| stevemar | no they are not | 19:09 |
| dtroyer | that's what I mean about incomplete… that might give off bad expectations to say 'v3' and not have anything that really is v3 yet | 19:09 |
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| stevemar | we've never claimed support for an entire API version as being "complete" | 19:10 |
| dtroyer | to flip the coin, will it be less frustrating for users to have a stable release with a) and incomplete v3 or b) no v3? | 19:10 |
| dtroyer | no, but it doesn't do _anything_ new yet | 19:10 |
| stevemar | we claimed we had v2 support for cinder last release when we didn't have most of it done yet | 19:11 |
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| dtroyer | but it used a v2 endpoint. | 19:11 |
| stevemar | this one doesn't? | 19:11 |
| dtroyer | see? I can defend both positions here, somebody push me one way or the other! :) | 19:11 |
| stevemar | i'm not sure how many users actually use volume api v3 | 19:12 |
| dtroyer | I don't think our volume discovery is 'done' and there is no microversioning yet | 19:12 |
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| dtroyer | what I'd like to do is have the next release be our stable (modulo bug fixes) and the release just before freeze be our continuing development to get us into a solid place during the freeze | 19:13 |
| dtroyer | last cycle was frustrating with the amount of stuff that piled up, I'm thinking that's a great time to work on the tests (more to come on that later) | 19:14 |
| dtroyer | so here is a proposal: | 19:14 |
| dtroyer | * we hold off on the volume v3 review until after the next release | 19:14 |
| stevemar | eh... i can go either way, i see the point of delivering something incomplete | 19:14 |
| dtroyer | * after the next release we only do bug fixes for a couple of days | 19:15 |
| dtroyer | * whatever we have there becomes stable (way early yes, but there is a reason) | 19:15 |
| dtroyer | then we can get in the v3 and other new features and release the first post-stable before the freeze | 19:15 |
| dtroyer | thoughts? | 19:15 |
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| stevemar | i can dig it | 19:16 |
| huanxuan | I agree | 19:16 |
| stevemar | we're old and used by too many things to go crazy with features at the last minute | 19:16 |
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| stevemar | one release, then another release with bug fixes => what we deliver for ocata ... sounds good to me | 19:17 |
| dtroyer | ok, we'll run with that then… | 19:17 |
| dtroyer | moving on… | 19:17 |
| dtroyer | #topic bugs | 19:17 |
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| dtroyer | lets start with hhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/os-client-config/+bug/1635696 | 19:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1635696 in os-client-config "Having a '{' or '}' in password causes formatting errors" [High,Confirmed] | 19:18 |
| dtroyer | no, that's not what I meant, but we'll go with it | 19:18 |
| stevemar | hmm? | 19:19 |
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| dtroyer | this one was introduced when o-c-c started using the new string substitution syntax | 19:19 |
| dtroyer | so we either need to undo that or start escaping strings | 19:19 |
| stevemar | i'm not sure how impactful it is, so far 2 users have hit it | 19:20 |
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| dtroyer | that we know of… yeah, not sure if it's High or Medium actually | 19:21 |
| dtroyer | but it applies to _all_ config values that o-c-c handles, not just passwords | 19:21 |
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| stevemar | like username and such | 19:22 |
| stevemar | though why you would have { or } in user or proejct name is beyond me | 19:22 |
| dtroyer | right, I don't know where else to expect to see this | 19:23 |
| dtroyer | we should kick ot over with mordred and shrews and see of they've run across anything and have a preference | 19:23 |
| stevemar | i don't know where the fix goes for this, otherwise i'd jump in | 19:23 |
| dtroyer | it's o-c-c, that is what introduced the issue | 19:24 |
| dtroyer | we could work around it in osc or osc-lib, but we have a lot of that crap already that I'm trying to remove | 19:24 |
| dtroyer | I think since it isn't a top priority, we can take the time to talk with the other o-c-c cores | 19:25 |
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| mordred | oh | 19:26 |
| mordred | wow | 19:26 |
| mordred | yeah. let's ... uhm ... fix that | 19:26 |
| dtroyer | hey mordred! welcome… | 19:27 |
| stevemar | o/ mordred | 19:27 |
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| stevemar | mordred: any take on this one? have you run into this issue in occ/shade? | 19:28 |
| mordred | I haven't - but then I also haven't had any { in passwords | 19:28 |
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| dtroyer | I think it affects any config values, but we couldn't come up with a place that '{' chars might be common | 19:29 |
| mordred | password seems like the most likely place | 19:29 |
| dtroyer | since that's user-changeable I don't think this is a top priority | 19:29 |
| mordred | I wonder if maybe we just don't run the substitution on the password field :) | 19:29 |
| stevemar | i would think the fix happens here: https://github.com/openstack/os-client-config/blob/master/os_client_config/config.py#L789-L823 | 19:29 |
| mordred | I cna't come up with ANY reason for using substitution vars in your password | 19:30 |
| stevemar | definitely not | 19:30 |
| dtroyer | stevemar: are there other auth password-like attributes that might need this fix? | 19:30 |
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| stevemar | maybe if you are using ADMIN_TOKEN? | 19:31 |
| dtroyer | pkiz is old news, what is the char set for fernet tokens? I think UUID is safe | 19:32 |
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| dtroyer | I am OK with making a list of values to skip substitution on and going from there | 19:32 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer: yah | 19:33 |
| dtroyer | ok, lets keep going… | 19:33 |
| dtroyer | now for the fun one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/1652317 | 19:33 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1652317 in Manila "OpenStackSDK refactoring caused various OSC networking commands to fail" [Critical,New] | 19:33 |
| dtroyer | We missed this because our functional tests were no-ops for a few months :( | 19:34 |
| dtroyer | that's been fixed, and SDK 0.9.11 was blacklisted in parallel with us skipping the broken tests | 19:34 |
| dtroyer | so we still have 7 tests to fix (sdk 0.9.12 is out and will either break or get blacklisted again when it hits u-c) | 19:35 |
| dtroyer | I was thinking about pinging the folks that originally write those tests to follow up with them and fix them | 19:35 |
| dtroyer | unless someone just wants to pick it up? | 19:35 |
| stevemar | i've got a full plate :( | 19:36 |
| huanxuan | I think I can do it | 19:36 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer: i'd say these are must-fix bugs | 19:37 |
| dtroyer | yes, I'd like to have this done for stable release, we should be back on latest SDK for stable | 19:37 |
| dtroyer | huanxuan: thanks, you don't need to to the full rewrite that I've started for this, just make them work | 19:38 |
| huanxuan | ok, zhiyong, jiahui and I will try to fix them | 19:39 |
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| dtroyer | and finally, https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/1650026 | 19:40 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1650026 in python-openstackclient "Trying to get help for a command errors out with "__init__() got an unexpected keyword argument 'project_name'"" [High,Confirmed] | 19:40 |
| stevemar | another must-fix :( | 19:40 |
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| dtroyer | I have not looked in to this one… is it still happening as reported? | 19:40 |
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| stevemar | i think so, i checked it last week or so | 19:41 |
| sshank | dtroyer, I ran into issue that when I was testing my neutron dhcp patch. | 19:42 |
| stevemar | it does only affect networking commands | 19:43 |
| dtroyer | I have not come across it in the network func test work I've been doing | 19:44 |
| dtroyer | fiwi, I'm using a devstack config from clouds.yaml, not env vars | 19:44 |
| dtroyer | I wonder if env vars is the common thread? | 19:44 |
| dtroyer | sshank: ^^^ ??? | 19:45 |
| sshank | dtroyer, I sourced from openrc. Maybe that's causing the issue. | 19:45 |
| dtroyer | so was mriedem in the bug report | 19:45 |
| dtroyer | I'll try that too | 19:45 |
| stevemar | possible, i was using env. vars too | 19:46 |
| dtroyer | let's follow up in the bug with that… | 19:47 |
| mriedem | yeah i do: source devstack/openrc admin | 19:48 |
| mriedem | then all hell breaks loose | 19:48 |
| dtroyer | FWIW, I see it too using openrc | 19:48 |
| mriedem | note that i get a warning about OS_TENANT_NAME or something when sourcing that way | 19:48 |
| mriedem | might be ID | 19:49 |
| mriedem | but guessing that's somehow related | 19:49 |
| dtroyer | mriedem: is there a chance you can try using clouds.yaml to verify that it doesn't see the problem? | 19:49 |
| mriedem | dtroyer: probably not today | 19:49 |
| dtroyer | I think the OS_TENANT_NAME is just a hard-coded warning in openrc | 19:49 |
| dtroyer | mriedem: no worries, we can follow up in the bug | 19:49 |
| dtroyer | thanks | 19:49 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: thats correct, its an openrc warning | 19:49 |
| dtroyer | #topic OSC metapackage | 19:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OSC metapackage (Meeting topic: openstackclient)" | 19:50 | |
| dtroyer | stevemar: enlighten us! | 19:50 |
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| stevemar | oh right | 19:51 |
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| stevemar | i've got the infra and governance patches done | 19:51 |
| stevemar | just needs an initial commit -- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/414380/ | 19:51 |
| stevemar | but a passing one :) | 19:51 |
| dtroyer | coolness | 19:52 |
| stevemar | not sure how i bungled the doc build, but i managed to | 19:52 |
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| dtroyer | I'll throw some eyes on it later | 19:52 |
| stevemar | locally, the docs are being generated one folder up from where they should be | 19:52 |
| stevemar | i imagine it's a case of a missing ".." | 19:52 |
| stevemar | or one too many | 19:52 |
| stevemar | once that passes we could technically "release" it at any time | 19:53 |
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| dtroyer | how do you feel about doing a stable release of this? we could wait until the last minute to get some more time with it? | 19:54 |
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| dtroyer | but promoting it (eventually) as the documented way to get OSC | 19:54 |
| stevemar | probably best to get more time with it, i have no idea what the ramifications are of installing it | 19:55 |
| dtroyer | for Ocata | 19:55 |
| dtroyer | ok, I can live with that | 19:55 |
| stevemar | you mean Pike? | 19:55 |
| dtroyer | well, yes, now for Pike | 19:55 |
| stevemar | we can modify the install docs and such for Pike | 19:55 |
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| dtroyer | ok, 4 minutes, one more thing... | 19:56 |
| dtroyer | #topic functional tests | 19:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "functional tests (Meeting topic: openstackclient)" | 19:56 | |
| dtroyer | I was just wondering if there was anything to add to the functional test rewrites I've started. | 19:56 |
| dtroyer | I have seen a couple of reviews with devs starting to change to that format | 19:57 |
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| dtroyer | \o/ | 19:57 |
| stevemar | oh? | 19:57 |
| huanxuan | yes | 19:57 |
| stevemar | i thought it was just you? :P | 19:57 |
| dtroyer | apparently I'm not as far off the trail as I thought? | 19:57 |
| huanxuan | jiahui and zhiyong will doing that as well | 19:58 |
| stevemar | the new changes are good to me | 19:58 |
| dtroyer | anyway, anything to add to that? I've noted wanting to add some alternate output format testing | 19:58 |
| stevemar | add it to the backlog | 19:58 |
| dtroyer | and I just pushed up a rewrite for (compute) flavor to add a check for the bug Jens fixed this morning | 19:58 |
| stevemar | are we good with using the etherpad for the meeting agenda? | 19:59 |
| dtroyer | I do not plan to do all of these myself, but want to target the one we have or think we may have issues with | 19:59 |
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| dtroyer | I am…was the issue with the wiki the locking down of account creation? | 19:59 |
| stevemar | yeah, and just annoying to update tbh | 19:59 |
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| stevemar | we've been using it in keystone for about a year | 20:00 |
| stevemar | 8 months | 20:00 |
| dtroyer | it is fine with me… I've started doing non-openstack stuff with folk in etherpads, it's becoming my more common doc environment! | 20:00 |
| huanxuan | yes, it is good | 20:00 |
| dtroyer | ok, with that we're out of time | 20:00 |
| dtroyer | thanks everyone! | 20:01 |
| huanxuan | yes | 20:01 |
| dtroyer | #endmeeting | 20:01 |
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| stevemar | see ya | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 5 20:01:04 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:01 |
| huanxuan | Thanks! | 20:01 |
| sshank | Thanks | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2017/openstackclient.2017-01-05-19.03.html | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2017/openstackclient.2017-01-05-19.03.txt | 20:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2017/openstackclient.2017-01-05-19.03.log.html | 20:01 |
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| mriedem | #startmeeting nova | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 5 21:00:21 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:00 |
| * Vek waves | 21:00 | |
| takashin | o/ | 21:00 |
| macsz | \o | 21:00 |
| dansmith | moo/ | 21:00 |
| tovin07 | o/ | 21:00 |
| dansmith | um, I did not mean to moo | 21:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 21:00 |
| macsz | cowsay? ;) | 21:00 |
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| thorst_ | o/ | 21:00 |
| dtp | o/ | 21:00 |
| diana_clarke | o/ | 21:00 |
| bauzas | \o | 21:00 |
| cdent | o/ | 21:01 |
| Vek | haha :) | 21:01 |
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| mriedem | since i just broke the nova gate let's get this party started | 21:01 |
| mriedem | #link meeting agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 21:02 |
| Vek | heh | 21:02 |
| mriedem | #topic release news | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release news (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:02 | |
| efried | o/ | 21:02 |
| mriedem | #link Ocata release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Ocata_Release_Schedule | 21:02 |
| mriedem | #info Jan 19: final non-client library release (oslo) | 21:02 |
| mriedem | ^ is the next upcoming major deadline | 21:02 |
| mriedem | if you have changes that depend on a library patch to get released, that library release has to happen by the 19th | 21:02 |
| mriedem | i know we at least have one for os-vif | 21:03 |
| mriedem | #info Jan 26: o-3 milestone, final python-novaclient release, FeatureFreeze, Soft StringFreeze | 21:03 |
| mriedem | so one week after lib freeze is feature freeze and the o-3 milestone | 21:03 |
| mriedem | on a side note i'm on vacation that week so bauzas is going to handle the o-3 release tag | 21:03 |
| mriedem | and jaypipes is also on vacation that week | 21:03 |
| * melwitt o/ | 21:03 | |
| mriedem | questions about dates? | 21:04 |
| mriedem | we've got 3 weeks until feature freeze and a lot to do yet | 21:04 |
| mriedem | #link Ocata blueprints https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/ocata | 21:04 |
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| mriedem | #info 70 total blueprints, 16 implemented, 5 not started, 38 need code review | 21:04 |
| jaypipes | hey, sorry, was out last few hours. back now. | 21:04 |
| mriedem | so we've got about 23% of our blueprints completed | 21:04 |
| mriedem | there are a few out there which need a final +2 | 21:05 |
| mriedem | #link Details on remaining blueprints: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-ocata-feature-freeze | 21:05 |
| bauzas | I guess we could have a review day? | 21:05 |
| mriedem | if you didn't see the ML thread, ^ is a thing i did last week | 21:05 |
| mriedem | bauzas: getting there :) | 21:05 |
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| bauzas | oh yeah, just saw the agenda | 21:06 |
| mriedem | i categorized the remaining blueprints and added notes on where i thought each was progress-wise in that etherpad | 21:06 |
| mriedem | i plan on scrubbing through it again tomorrow | 21:06 |
| mriedem | more on that later | 21:06 |
| mriedem | any release questions? | 21:06 |
| mriedem | #topic bugs | 21:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:06 | |
| mriedem | well | 21:07 |
| mriedem | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1654393 | 21:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1654393 in OpenStack Compute (nova) ""keystoneauth1.exceptions.catalog.EmptyCatalog: The service catalog is empty." in test_cinderclient_unsupported_v1" [High,Confirmed] | 21:07 |
| mriedem | ^ is new as of today, bouncing changes | 21:07 |
| mriedem | and is my fault | 21:07 |
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| mriedem | i suspect a racy global mock in the test added today | 21:07 |
| mriedem | if no one else figures it out anytime soon i'll be working on that tonight | 21:07 |
| mriedem | otherwise we're pretty good on gate status | 21:08 |
| mriedem | anything else on bugs? | 21:08 |
| mriedem | #topic reminders | 21:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reminders (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:08 | |
| mriedem | the usual | 21:08 |
| mriedem | #link Ocata review priorities https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-nova-priorities-tracking | 21:08 |
| mriedem | #topic Stable branch status: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stable-tracker | 21:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stable branch status: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stable-tracker (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:09 | |
| mriedem | there are some things getting into stable/newton that i'm looking to release soon, maybe next week | 21:09 |
| mriedem | one is for fixing an upgrade issue from mitaka | 21:09 |
| mriedem | so would like to get that released soon | 21:09 |
| mriedem | #topic subteam highlights | 21:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "subteam highlights (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:09 | |
| mriedem | dansmith: cells v2? | 21:10 |
| dansmith | we had a meeting, | 21:10 |
| dansmith | several things up for review, all on the priorities tracker page | 21:10 |
| dansmith | quota stuff, multicell stuff, and some other minor things we need to change | 21:10 |
| dansmith | that's pretty much it | 21:10 |
| mriedem | main thing looking at right now is cells v1 job with cells v2 | 21:11 |
| mriedem | at least for dansmith | 21:11 |
| dansmith | yeah, getting there.. have a debug patch up and slogging through | 21:11 |
| mriedem | ok thanks | 21:11 |
| mriedem | edleafe: scheduler? | 21:11 |
| edleafe | I was out Monday, so jaypipes or cdent can fill you in | 21:11 |
| cdent | jaypipes: ran the meeting and went through all the relevant reviews | 21:11 |
| cdent | and that's about it | 21:11 |
| bauzas | was on PTO | 21:12 |
| cdent | We introduced some new contributors to the lay of the land | 21:12 |
| cdent | nice way to start year | 21:12 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: briefly talked about the issue with NUMA objects being recreated every time update_available_resource() is called and the trouble that causes trying to add a uuid field to the NUMA cell. | 21:12 |
| mriedem | ok, so for placement, the main focus right now is going to be on getting https://review.openstack.org/#/c/392569/ in which is needed for the scheduler to use the placement API | 21:12 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: yep ++ | 21:12 |
| mriedem | and then bauzas is going to have a change up for the scheduler | 21:13 |
| mriedem | any minute now... :) | 21:13 |
| mriedem | and that's the main goal for placement in ocata | 21:13 |
| mriedem | there are of course lots of other patches up | 21:13 |
| bauzas | yeah, the scheduler change should come up soon | 21:13 |
| mriedem | ok moving on | 21:14 |
| mriedem | is tdurakov or pkoniszewski around? | 21:14 |
| mriedem | for live migration | 21:14 |
| mriedem | guess not | 21:14 |
| mriedem | ok, api | 21:14 |
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| mriedem | sdague: were you at the api meeting this week? | 21:14 |
| mriedem | well, | 21:15 |
| mriedem | two things, | 21:15 |
| cdent | lots of discussion about capabiities spec under review in api-wg | 21:15 |
| mriedem | the query parameters validation changes are in and merged | 21:15 |
| cdent | some discussion on how to manage the fixes to filtering (avoiding joins and whatnot) | 21:15 |
| mriedem | cdent: yeah i expect that'll be a cross-project discussion at the PTG | 21:15 |
| mriedem | i'm not sure if i can call it cross project or not, the PTG rules are new and scary | 21:16 |
| cdent | quite | 21:16 |
| bauzas | there is now a wiki AFAIK | 21:16 |
| mriedem | the other thing for ocata api stuff is the server sort/filter patches that Kevin Zheng is working on | 21:16 |
| bauzas | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum | 21:17 |
| mriedem | those changes are here https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/add-whitelist-for-server-list-filter-sort-parameters+status:open | 21:17 |
| mriedem | looks like i need to talk to alex_xu and Kevin about what's going on there | 21:17 |
| mriedem | moving on | 21:17 |
| mriedem | i don't see anyone around for the sriov/pci meeting, if there was one this week | 21:18 |
| mriedem | gibi: notifications updates? | 21:18 |
| gibi | short one | 21:18 |
| gibi | nothing has been finished but everything is moving | 21:18 |
| gibi | the first patch of the instance action notification extensions for searchlight has been merged | 21:18 |
| gibi | not the whole bp scope will be finished for Ocata but we still have some patch that has chance | 21:18 |
| gibi | json-schema-for-versioned-notifications still has some dependency on ovo lib due to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/411822/ | 21:18 |
| gibi | so this has less and less chance to be finished in Ocata | 21:19 |
| gibi | the flavor notification bp has code up and it is getting in a good shape | 21:19 |
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| mriedem | yeah i need to get back on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398171/ | 21:19 |
| mriedem | but it's close | 21:19 |
| gibi | the priority etherpad is up to date | 21:19 |
| gibi | that is all | 21:19 |
| mriedem | ok thanks gibi | 21:19 |
| mriedem | #topics PTG planning | 21:20 |
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| mriedem | #topic PTG planning | 21:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG planning (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:20 | |
| mriedem | #link Pike PTG planning: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-January/109594.html | 21:20 |
| mriedem | i've started an etherpad to jot down topics | 21:20 |
| mriedem | i'm still just trying to figure out myself how this thing is going to work | 21:21 |
| mriedem | but with wed-friday being like a normal midcycle i guess i'm going to start out by treating it that way, mostly open-ended | 21:21 |
| mriedem | but we'll need to be discussing things for Pike deliverables for sure since it's at the start of Pike | 21:21 |
| mriedem | any questions on the PTG? | 21:22 |
| mriedem | #topic stuck reviews | 21:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "stuck reviews (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:22 | |
| mriedem | there was nothing in the agenda - anyone have something for this? | 21:22 |
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| mriedem | #topic open discussion | 21:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:22 | |
| mriedem | a few items | 21:22 |
| mriedem | I plan on scrubbing https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-ocata-feature-freeze before next week to maybe drop things that haven't started but to also highlight things that need review and are close if given a good push. | 21:22 |
| mriedem | Given that, I'm proposing a review sprint for next week on Wednesday 1/11 which leaves about a week before library release freeze and two weeks before feature freeze. | 21:23 |
| mriedem | are people ok with that date for a blueprint code review sprint? | 21:23 |
| mriedem | i can't do monday or tuesday | 21:23 |
| cdent | wednesday++ | 21:23 |
| bauzas | cool by me | 21:24 |
| mriedem | ok - it's going to be mostly harassment in the nova channel | 21:24 |
| mriedem | #info if you've got a blueprint up for review, be in the channel on wednesday 1/11 in case there are questions | 21:24 |
| mriedem | #undo | 21:24 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #info if you've got a blueprint up for review, be in the channel on wednesday 1/11 in case there are questions | 21:24 |
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| mriedem | #info if you've got a blueprint up for review, be in the openstack-nova channel on wednesday 1/11 in case there are questions | 21:25 |
| mriedem | (efried / thorst) PowerVM Update | 21:25 |
| thorst_ | I’ll give a powervm CI update. efried will do a powervm driver review update. | 21:25 |
| thorst_ | We hit an issue where we need to change the name space of our out of tree driver so that in tree can just be ‘powervm’. We’re working through that joy... Affected our CI. | 21:25 |
| thorst_ | We’re also working through a keystone issue now, so while we’re running nova jobs, we shut off publishing so we don’t flood red to each patch (even if non-voting). Plan to turn back on soon. | 21:25 |
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| thorst_ | that's about it for where we are w/ CI. | 21:26 |
| mriedem | ok | 21:26 |
| efried | Four outstanding change sets for the PowerVM driver: | 21:26 |
| efried | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/powervm-nova-compute-driver+status:open | 21:26 |
| efried | First one is a bit large (+1732 at current patch set). | 21:27 |
| efried | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391288/ | 21:27 |
| efried | Would like to get some feedback from those present as to whether we should attempt to split this up further. This won't be trivial, or we would have done it already, but I'm sure we can figure it out if it's going to make the difference getting core reviews. | 21:27 |
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| mriedem | so, | 21:27 |
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| mriedem | this is actually paired down from when i first looked at it, | 21:27 |
| mriedem | before it had tests :) | 21:27 |
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| mriedem | so now the first one is just spawn/destroy + infra | 21:28 |
| mriedem | when i looked last week, the powervm ci was running wayyyy more tests than i thought it would for just spawn/destroy | 21:28 |
| mriedem | which was probably why a ton of it was failing | 21:28 |
| efried | Correct. If we were gonna split it further, it would be infra with no functionality, then spawn/destroy in a subsequent. | 21:28 |
| thorst_ | mriedem: so that's the issue we're working on. The OOT was what ran on that | 21:28 |
| efried | Well, we have a question about the CI in a sec. | 21:28 |
| mriedem | i would prefer to have spawn/destroy minimal in the first change | 21:28 |
| thorst_ | we will have a second CI for the in tree...but its a bit of a chicken / egg there on the CI and driver there. | 21:29 |
| mriedem | if there is something in there that looks like it could be split out, people can comment as such | 21:29 |
| efried | Sounds good to me. | 21:29 |
| mriedem | thorst_: i'd expect that ci to just run on these patches | 21:29 |
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| mriedem | not other nova patches | 21:29 |
| thorst_ | the in tree or out of tree? | 21:30 |
| mriedem | and not be doing anything with volumes, or attaching interfaces, pause/suspend, any of that stuff | 21:30 |
| mriedem | the in-tree | 21:30 |
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| mriedem | i expect the in-tree ci to only be running on the patches for the in-tree driver right now | 21:30 |
| mriedem | it doesn't really make sense otherwise | 21:30 |
| thorst_ | OK - yeah, we are setting up the skip lists and config for that one in parallel | 21:30 |
| mriedem | ok | 21:30 |
| thorst_ | its...fun... | 21:30 |
| mriedem | i had figured the tests being run were for the out of tree driver, which didn't make sense for the in-tree patches | 21:30 |
| mriedem | thorst_: honestly i'd probably start with a whitelist | 21:31 |
| mriedem | and build that up | 21:31 |
| efried | Right, so the question is whether we need to have (a drastically pared-down version of) our CI actually passing before we can expect to merge each change? | 21:31 |
| mriedem | efried: well i expect to see the powervm ci reporting on those changes to show green | 21:31 |
| mriedem | if that means you're only running 20 tempest tests for spawn/destroy, so be it | 21:31 |
| efried | Okay, that's what I figured, and that's totally reasonable. | 21:31 |
| thorst_ | sounds good | 21:32 |
| mriedem | start small and build out the test set | 21:32 |
| mriedem | otherwise you're going to die | 21:32 |
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| efried | For the other change sets, we expect to be able to wipe the WIP off in the next week or two. | 21:32 |
| efried | Realizing this means some of this function will probably slip to pike. | 21:32 |
| mriedem | just to level set expectations, i think getting the first patch for spawn/destroy in this release is going to be an achievement | 21:32 |
| thorst_ | understood. | 21:33 |
| mriedem | ok let's move on | 21:33 |
| mriedem | thanks for the updates guys | 21:33 |
| mriedem | (tovin07): OSprofiler support in Nova is almost done and marked as good progress. | 21:33 |
| thorst_ | thx | 21:33 |
| tovin07 | yes | 21:33 |
| tovin07 | i just want to get some attention for this patch | 21:33 |
| tovin07 | #link osprifiler in nova review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254703/ | 21:33 |
| tovin07 | patch in novaclient is OK now, waiting for patch in nova... | 21:34 |
| mriedem | yeah it'd be nice to get that in finally, but i haven't gone through it since newton i don't think | 21:34 |
| mriedem | but i know we relied on it heavily for our cloud performance testing | 21:34 |
| tovin07 | yup, i see it too | 21:34 |
| mriedem | so, be around in the nova channel on wed 1/11 in case questions come up | 21:34 |
| mriedem | or issues | 21:34 |
| mriedem | ok, anyone else have anything to discuss? | 21:35 |
| tovin07 | okay, sound good :D | 21:35 |
| tovin07 | thanks | 21:35 |
| mriedem | i'm not hearing anything, and we're already about 20 minutes over where dansmith wanted this to be, so thanks everyone | 21:35 |
| dansmith | yup. | 21:35 |
| mriedem | #endmeeting | 21:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 5 21:35:56 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-01-05-21.00.html | 21:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-01-05-21.00.txt | 21:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-01-05-21.00.log.html | 21:36 |
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