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| mordred | armax, clarkb: I've been trying to tell people for five years that the answer to mysql scalability is NOT to increase max_connections | 01:34 |
| mordred | but instead, in almost all cases to lower it and to aggressively lower connection_timeout and to make sure applications handle the connection going away and retries gracefully | 01:34 |
| mordred | and that the best practices from other databases of having a persistent connection pool of connections in application code is at best misguided and at worst just legitimately terrible design as it relates to mysql | 01:35 |
| mordred | max_connections of 1024 is ABSURD | 01:36 |
| mordred | unless, of course, the machine in question actually has 1024 cores of processing power | 01:36 |
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| armax | mordred: so I suppose you’d be open for me to halve it :) | 02:17 |
| armax | fwiw I am in violent agreement with you | 02:17 |
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| mordred | armax: you may find: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/426029/ amusing then | 02:23 |
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| kevinbenton | ooooh | 02:32 |
| kevinbenton | yamamoto: had to rebase https://review.openstack.org/#/c/399964/ , can you +W ? | 02:33 |
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| yamamoto | sure | 02:34 |
| yamamoto | what meeting is this? | 02:34 |
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| kevinbenton | oooh | 02:35 |
| kevinbenton | yamamoto: i'm in the wrong channel :) | 02:35 |
| yamamoto | ok :) | 02:35 |
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| armax | mordred: you upset me | 02:37 |
| armax | though at least for once it’s not neutron’s fault | 02:39 |
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| dhellmann | #startmeeting releaseteam | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Jan 27 15:00:23 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 15:00 | |
| ttx | o/ | 15:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' | 15:00 |
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| dhellmann | courtesy ping: ttx, dims, fungi, tonyb, stevemar, sigmavirus | 15:01 |
| dims | o/ | 15:01 |
| sigmavirus | o/ | 15:01 |
| dhellmann | our agenda is under week r-4 in the etherpad | 15:01 |
| dhellmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-relmgt-tracking | 15:01 |
| ttx | looks like os-*-config request is up now | 15:03 |
| * dhellmann finishes his call | 15:03 | |
| dhellmann | #topic Last minute ocata-3 requests | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Last minute ocata-3 requests (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 15:03 | |
| dhellmann | I think we have requests for all of them now | 15:03 |
| dhellmann | oh, not zaqar | 15:03 |
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| dhellmann | I also have a patch up to drop neutron-vpnaas from ocata, since that is no longer part of the neutron team's set of deliverables | 15:04 |
| dhellmann | shall we go ahead and approve these? | 15:04 |
| dims | +1 from me dhellmann | 15:04 |
| ttx | flaper87: any news from zaqar-land ? | 15:05 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: go for it | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | hmm, the os-*-config releases are not milestones | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | EmilienM : did you mean to cut final releases of those? ^^ | 15:05 |
| ttx | ah! | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | I've approved the trove tag | 15:06 |
| ttx | EmilienM: other question, what's the deal with instack | 15:06 |
| dhellmann | dims or ttx, will one of you approve the vpnaas thing | 15:06 |
| ttx | I'm on it | 15:06 |
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| dhellmann | please | 15:06 |
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| dhellmann | I'll catch up with EmilienM later. He may have confused my suggestion to change release models in pike with this release | 15:07 |
| ttx | done | 15:07 |
| flaper87 | ttx: nothing that I'maware of | 15:07 |
| dhellmann | flaper87 : there's no milestone 3 release set up yet | 15:07 |
| EmilienM | I'm currently in a room waiting for the doc | 15:07 |
| dhellmann | EmilienM : ping me when you're done so we can discuss, please? | 15:07 |
| EmilienM | Yes i will | 15:07 |
| dhellmann | thanks | 15:08 |
| dhellmann | #topic missing branches | 15:08 |
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| dhellmann | there's a list there in the etherpad, produced from the latest master set of data | 15:08 |
| dhellmann | line 374 | 15:08 |
| ttx | instack, python-magnumclient and python-searchlightclienbt are missing the library deadline | 15:08 |
| ttx | For the others I'd say we can propose the stable branch aggressively | 15:09 |
| sigmavirus | magnum seems to not have a PTL candidate either | 15:09 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I suspect instack is either idle or being treated as only used by tripleo -- I suggested that EmilienM change all of the release models for their deliverables to cycle-trailing for pike | 15:09 |
| sigmavirus | so perhaps that team is not doing well this cycle | 15:09 |
| EmilienM | #action EmilienM to figure tripleo release questions with Doug asap | 15:09 |
| dhellmann | sigmavirus : ack | 15:09 |
| ttx | sigmavirus: they are doing well enough, I think. | 15:09 |
| ttx | just a tradition of not being very... aligned with deadlines | 15:10 |
| * sigmavirus shrugs | 15:10 | |
| dhellmann | ttx: I will send a reminder to the mailing list, but I don't want the release team to handle the branches ourselves. We need to continue to distribute this work out to the liaisons. | 15:10 |
| ttx | dhellmann: your call | 15:10 |
| ttx | the main concern are those three things without a release | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | I've already sent at least one reminder about those libraries | 15:11 |
| ttx | + zaqar | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann send a reminder to the mailing list for missing branches | 15:12 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann track down flwang about zaqar release | 15:12 |
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| sigmavirus | dhellmann: so, if python-magnumclient is released today, I think the requirements team will still freeze it out | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | at this point the missing clients will end up needing to be released as independent projects, and their requirements updates won't be allowed for ocata | 15:13 |
| sigmavirus | dims: might have insight on that | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | sigmavirus : no, you're likely to be right | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | we'd certainly have to have that conversation, instead of it being automatic | 15:13 |
| ttx | dhellmann: the missing 0b3 tag is not critical | 15:13 |
| sigmavirus | I agree | 15:13 |
| sigmavirus | ttx: missing the client freeze deadline though probably is | 15:13 |
| ttx | (on zaqar) | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | ttx: true, I'm more concerned with those libs | 15:13 |
| ttx | right | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | right, zaqar has 2 others so they qualify to be included in the final | 15:14 |
| ttx | so if we are to do some pinging, I'd prioritize Magnum and Searlight over Zaqar | 15:14 |
| dhellmann | makes sense | 15:14 |
| ttx | also TripleO but EmilienM is around already | 15:14 |
| dims | i can ping those two | 15:14 |
| dhellmann | ttx: but what do we say to them? | 15:14 |
| dims | dhellmann : give me an action item please | 15:14 |
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| dhellmann | dims, sure, let's figure out what to say first | 15:15 |
| dims | right | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | we want them to do a release, but we're going to tell them it can't be used? | 15:15 |
| ttx | "You appear to be missing the deadline, please fix now" | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | that is, the constraints won't be updated? | 15:15 |
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| ttx | we'll have to update the contraints I think | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | oh, magnum has had no releases of anything so far | 15:16 |
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| dims | ugh | 15:16 |
| * ttx wonders if we should not enforce a lib release by milestone 2 to have a fallback | 15:16 | |
| dhellmann | ttx: yeah, that seems like a good idea | 15:16 |
| dhellmann | searchlight has only missed their lib; the service and horizon plugin have b3 tags | 15:16 |
| ttx | then we can say "we'll just use that if you don't get your act together" | 15:16 |
| dhellmann | yeah, let's figure out that policy for pike -- maybe a ptg discussion | 15:17 |
| fungi | like tag projects whether or not they're ready? seems prudent | 15:17 |
| ttx | but with no release at all, we are a bit screwed | 15:17 |
| ttx | dhellmann: adding to the plan | 15:17 |
| dhellmann | well, we're not screwed. their project is just not part of the release. | 15:17 |
| ttx | then the users are screwed | 15:17 |
| ttx | not a lot better | 15:18 |
| dhellmann | true | 15:18 |
| dhellmann | ok, dims, is the communication clear? | 15:18 |
| EmilienM | dhellmann, ttx: I'm back online (for a few) - so I sent a os-*-config patch to release final ocate and branch stable/ocata. We have zero blocker to release it now AFIK. | 15:18 |
| fungi | but yeah, if they're not around to prepare to release, i doubt they're around to fix bugs caused by i either | 15:18 |
| dims | dhellmann : y, will ask questions later if i think of it | 15:18 |
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| EmilienM | dhellmann:, ttx: "instack" is a bit special, as we are deprecating it and it has no future. I'll take care of its release today or next week | 15:19 |
| dhellmann | EmilienM : the issue is some of those deliverables need milestone tags, not final releases. Unless you definitely want them to be release candidates. | 15:19 |
| EmilienM | dhellmann: +1 for rc | 15:19 |
| dhellmann | EmilienM : ok, we can go ahead with that, then. I'll review the patch more closely after our meeting | 15:19 |
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| ttx | shoudl be 0rc1 if RC | 15:19 |
| EmilienM | dhellmann: thanks & sorry for confusions | 15:19 |
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| ttx | i.e. skip 0b3 and go direct to RC1 | 15:20 |
| dhellmann | ttx: yeah, that's true. EmilienM ^^ | 15:20 |
| dhellmann | #action dims contact magnum and searchlight ptls about missing releases for libraries | 15:20 |
| ttx | in all cases requires a tag | 15:20 |
| EmilienM | ok I'll update it | 15:20 |
| ttx | only difference is that you can branch from 0rc1 :) | 15:20 |
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| dhellmann | anything else on this topic? | 15:21 |
| ttx | no | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | #topic team availability for RC1 tagging | 15:21 |
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| dhellmann | just like last week, I wanted to touch bases in case folks are traveling next week | 15:21 |
| ttx | I'll be on/off next week, can process things when I pass by | 15:22 |
| dims | i am available all days | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | I may be, but I'll be online for a normal work day thursday if I am. | 15:22 |
| ttx | but I can't take my usual "release day" | 15:22 |
| ttx | I don't expect much RC1 requests before Thursday | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I think we can cover for you. Thursday is going to be the big day. | 15:22 |
| ttx | since RC1 is so early after 0b3 | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | right | 15:22 |
| ttx | Also we should be ready to cut some slack | 15:23 |
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| dhellmann | and fungi already said he'd be sequestered | 15:23 |
| fungi | yup | 15:23 |
| dhellmann | yeah, that's going to be a pretty soft deadline next week | 15:23 |
| ttx | i.e. late RC1s will happen | 15:23 |
| ttx | just not a full week after | 15:23 |
| dhellmann | maybe say sunday? monday? | 15:23 |
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| ttx | We can say Monday and catch the last ones Tuesday morning | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | ok | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | that's logged here, but I won't advertise it unless we end up needing it | 15:24 |
| ttx | right | 15:24 |
| dims | ack | 15:25 |
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| dhellmann | moving on then | 15:25 |
| dhellmann | #topic PTG "scheduling" | 15:25 |
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| dhellmann | we have our list of team topics to discuss, but we also have some topics for which we're going to want to coordinate with other groups | 15:25 |
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| ttx | shall we have an etherpad beyond https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pike-relmgt-plan ? Like something in common with the others ? | 15:25 |
| dhellmann | I have a couple of examples in the etherpad (the usual retrospective, addressing the way we do stable releases to cut down on backlog, etc.) | 15:26 |
| ttx | requirements has https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/requirements-ptg-pike (empty for now) | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | I think it might make sense to either put them in a separate section of the existing planning pad, at least | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | but I was more concerned about how we will coordinate the times when we'll talk about those things | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | are we sharing physical space with any other groups? | 15:27 |
| ttx | no, it's just a common room for requirements/stable/relmgt | 15:27 |
| ttx | we could split the time more formally | 15:27 |
| ttx | or meet all together | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | are we going to be there for both days? I know I'm going to need to be in the python 3 goal room for at least some of that time | 15:27 |
| ttx | I'm certinaly not going to be there for two days | 15:28 |
| ttx | max I can do is two half-days | 15:28 |
| dhellmann | ok | 15:28 |
| ttx | i.e. max 0.5 day on Monday and 0.5 day on Tuesday | 15:28 |
| ttx | have to attend SWG and ArchWG a bit | 15:28 |
| dhellmann | right | 15:28 |
| ttx | We could say we'll only be there in afternoons | 15:28 |
| fungi | i expect to be in the infra room the majority of monday/tuesday (no surprise i hope) | 15:28 |
| dhellmann | we've done OK the past 2 times with a single half day, but saying both afternoons may make sense | 15:29 |
| ttx | lets us put the other rooms on good rails | 15:29 |
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| dhellmann | maybe we can plan out which topics to cover each day, too | 15:29 |
| ttx | I think we should have a single etherpad for all teams | 15:29 |
| ttx | the room won't be so big it can fit 3 parallel discussions at all times | 15:29 |
| dhellmann | what's the limit on the usable amount of text you can put in an etherpad? | 15:29 |
| dhellmann | are you suggesting keeping the notes in it, or just organizing the topic list? | 15:30 |
| fungi | around a thousand lines it gets sloooow | 15:30 |
| ttx | how about we do stable on Monday morning, RelMgt on Monday afternoon, Stable on Tuesday morning and all together Tuesday afternoon | 15:30 |
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| ttx | lets us use the last period for catching up | 15:30 |
| dhellmann | that seems like a good plan | 15:30 |
| dims | ++ | 15:30 |
| ttx | we should reach out to the others but they dfon't seem to have planned much yet | 15:31 |
| ttx | I'll set up the unique etherpad and propose the time split | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | #action ttx set up ptg etherpad and contact requirements and stable teams to collaborate on planning | 15:31 |
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| dhellmann | is there anything else we need to do to prep for the ptg? | 15:32 |
| dhellmann | if not, we can move on | 15:32 |
| dhellmann | #topic mascot | 15:32 |
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| dhellmann | the foundation team has taken our feedback on the last draft of the mascot and produced a new version | 15:33 |
| dhellmann | #link old: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7152077/release-mascot/old.png | 15:33 |
| dhellmann | #link new: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7152077/release-mascot/new.png | 15:33 |
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| dhellmann | I think the primary change is to the coloring | 15:33 |
| dhellmann | Heidi said they looked at a "face-on" version and no one liked the results, so they didn't even share it with us | 15:33 |
| dhellmann | it sounds like they're looking for approval to go with the new version and prep materials for the ptg | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | any thoughts? | 15:34 |
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| dims | dhellmann : looks better than the old one for sure | 15:35 |
| dhellmann | I'm no expert, but the coloring does look closer to what I would expect | 15:35 |
| ttx | yes, at least we get the meaning now | 15:36 |
| dhellmann | if we're agreed, I'll reply to heidi that this version is good | 15:36 |
| dhellmann | ok, hearing no objections, I'll do that | 15:37 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann respond to heidi's email, accepting the mascot design | 15:37 |
| dhellmann | #topic open discussion | 15:37 |
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| dhellmann | that's all we had on the formal agenda for today | 15:37 |
| dhellmann | does anyone have any other topics to raise? | 15:38 |
| ttx | is there a PTl candidate for requirements ? | 15:38 |
| ttx | (or stable) | 15:38 |
| * ttx looks up proposals | 15:38 | |
| dims | no to both ttx | 15:39 |
| dhellmann | I asked prometheanfire about that and he said tonyb had promised to put in his nomination by the deadline but if it isn't there then prometheanfire will propose himself | 15:39 |
| dhellmann | that's for requirements | 15:39 |
| dhellmann | I don't know about stable | 15:39 |
| ttx | nobody yet | 15:39 |
| dims | mriedem and tonyb both on vacation | 15:39 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 15:39 |
| ttx | guess the TC might have to fix that one | 15:39 |
| dhellmann | mriedem put himself up for nova again, didn't he? | 15:40 |
| ttx | yes | 15:40 |
| dims | yes | 15:40 |
| dhellmann | that's a big enough job, I wouldn't expect him to take on stable, too | 15:40 |
| dhellmann | it will be interesting to see how the discussion goes if we have no volunteers for that | 15:41 |
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| dhellmann | I think that's all we have for today, then | 15:42 |
| fungi | it will seem reminiscent of plenty of older discussions | 15:42 |
| dhellmann | enjoy the extra 17 minutes in your day! | 15:42 |
| dims | :) | 15:42 |
| dhellmann | fungi : exactly | 15:42 |
| sigmavirus | I would run for stable but I don't think I would qualify | 15:43 |
| dhellmann | sigmavirus : why not? do you do stable reviews? | 15:43 |
| sigmavirus | Also, highly doubt work would give me the time to be PTL | 15:43 |
| dhellmann | that's a bigger concern | 15:43 |
| sigmavirus | Also, won't be at the PTG so seems silly to run for PTL | 15:43 |
| fungi | i can't imagine a less qualified ptl than none at all | 15:43 |
| sigmavirus | dhellmann: I do glance stable reviews. I don't have bandwidth to do them for everyone =/ | 15:44 |
| sigmavirus | Or to review stable releases | 15:44 |
| dhellmann | ack | 15:44 |
| dhellmann | ok, down to an extra 15 minutes | 15:44 |
| dhellmann | have a good day, folks! | 15:44 |
| dhellmann | #endmeeting | 15:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Jan 27 15:44:52 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2017/releaseteam.2017-01-27-15.00.html | 15:44 |
| dims | thanks dhellmann | 15:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2017/releaseteam.2017-01-27-15.00.txt | 15:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2017/releaseteam.2017-01-27-15.00.log.html | 15:44 |
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