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ekuris__gmann, ping10:02
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gmannekuris__: pong10:50
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lennyb#startmeeting third-party15:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Jan 30 15:00:34 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is lennyb. Information about MeetBot at
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lennybhello pots, how are you?15:01
potsi'm having some trouble bringing up a CI15:01
lennybhello asselin__, thanks for comming.15:02
potsare there known problems with Jenkins 2.x?  i'm trying to use 2.32.115:02
lennybpots, what problems?15:03
potsthe job parameters are not being passed to the job15:03
asselin__pots, yes there are....I believe we got some of those patches merged to cover that15:03
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lennybpots, do you have installed?15:04
potsit looks like i don't, that sounds promising15:04
lennybpots, there are a lot of plugins that are not installed by default :)15:05
mptacekxHi, I have one topic/question related to devstack-gate. Not sure If I can address it here15:05
lennybmptacekx, hello, wait a sec.15:05
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lennybpots, anything else on this issue?15:06
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asselin__pots, so you need to use a different version of jenkins, or add a parameter to let those through. I'm not familiar with the envInject Plugin option15:06
potsis that plugin not one of the ones that's available from the jenkins plugin manager?  i don't see it listed there.15:06
asselin__pots, is one option15:07
lennybpots, we are working with Jenkins 1.656. Please follow asselin__ advice to a newer jenkins15:07
potsok, i'll try that, thanks.15:08
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asselin__pots,  otherwise this patch 'almost' works...just need to ensure you pass in the right args
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lennybpots, asselin__, if there nothing more on this, we can move to mptacekx15:09
asselin__see comments here
potsi yield the floor15:09
mptacekxit's regarding multinode deployments in our CI. We have some usecases for which we need different local.conf on compute & controller15:10
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lennybmptacekx, what is the question ? :)15:10
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mptacekxis anyone seeing a value for introducing them ? Actually I am looking for someone supporting my fix in
mptacekxI think it must be relevant also for other CI's, e.g. if doing some controller specific changes like tempest adaptations ...15:12
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lennybmptacekx, we use multinode CI with controller and compute on different nodes, we have multijob to run the tests15:13
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mptacekxwe also have separated controller & compute, but test settings is propagated from JJB files15:14
mptacekxif there are other ways for doing that, there is probably no interest in patching in devstack-gate15:15
lennybmptacekx, I still dont see what are you trying to solve there. we have a 2 different jobs for Controller and Compute using JJB and running tempest tests from Controller Node only. if you are interested I can share some code with you late15:16
mmedvedemptacekx: it might be possible to update compute local.conf with pre_test hook. I know it is possible to do so for localrc, which we do for our multinode job15:16
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mptacekxwe're also using pre_test hook, it seems that you didn't have need to use different local.conf across nodes. Ok. Thanks. It's answering my question15:18
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lennybthanks mptacekx. I have a question. What is a best/proper way to run neutron tests?15:19
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lennybI can do it with /opt/neutron/ but how can I configure it? especially port_vnic_type=direct that I am doing in tempest.conf15:20
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mptacekxlennyb: tempest is not what you're looking for, right ?15:20
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lennybmptacekx. I dont know yet. I was asked to run neutron tests on our hardware, but I want to make sure that it runs on our hw using SR-IOV ( port direct)15:21
mptacekxlennyb: if it's not coming from tempest, I think you should either add this option or adjust in test itself15:22
lennybthanks mptacekx. I will check this option15:22
mptacekxI guess you're lucky and it's there
mptacekxlennyb: glad that can help :-)15:23
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lennybmmedvede, asselin__ do you run tests  other than tempest?15:25
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asselin__there's pleny...mostly what's in tox15:26
lennybasselin__ do they involve configuration?15:27
asselin__lennyb, not really other than prep the repo to get the patch etc. then tox -e<env>15:28
mmedvedewe mostly run tempest at the moment15:28
lennybmmedvede, asselin__ I see. Thanks15:28
lennybany other issues/questions/suggestions/sharing ?15:29
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potsone other question about puppet setup of the CI15:30
potsi noticed that i have to manual put the jenkins ssh credential id into /etc/nodepool/secure.conf after running 'puppet apply'15:30
lennybpots, please ask15:30
potsdoes that ring any bells?15:30
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asselin__pots, it does should be done correctly...15:31
lennybasselin__, there is still token that you need to put after jenkins installed an rerun puppet15:31
potsmy guess is it's another issue with the later jenkins version?15:32
asselin__perhaps I only ever used up to 1.65115:32
potspuppet overwrites the token each time15:32
lennybpots, I had to install jenkins manually due to some networking issues, so I hadnt seen this15:33
asselin__pots, did you follow these instructions?
potsis there a way to pin the jenkins version in the puppet scripts (sorry i should know this by now)15:33
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asselin__pots yes:
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asselin__pots you can use a specific version, present, or latest (not recommended)15:34
potsoops, i may have missed that, i probably thought it was just about securing access to the jenkins server15:35
potsthanks gentlemen15:35 can never be sure nowdays :)15:36
potsoops, sorry gentlepersons15:36
lennybmmedvede, asselin__, pots, mptaceks thanks for the meeting. See you next week. I have a wedding to go to this evening :). I will close the meeting if there is nothing more for today15:36
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asselin__thanks lennyb. Bye15:37
mmedvedepots: its ok, we are all hupersons :)15:37
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rakhmerov#startmeeting Mistral16:03
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rakhmerovok, hi everyone16:05
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rakhmerov1 min16:05
rakhmerov#topic Review Action Items16:05
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rakhmerovno action items16:06
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rakhmerov#topic Current Status16:06
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rakhmerovmy status: sorting out blueprints and bugs at Launchpad after ocata 3 release, profiling Mistral in order to optimize it in case of big data stored in workflow context16:07
rakhmerovsent one relatively simple patch16:07
rakhmerovwhich is
rakhmerovif you have updates please go ahead16:08
ddejaMy status: finished working on kombu driver multi thread and mulit rabbit support16:08
rakhmerovI'm also planning PTG and summit activities16:08
rakhmerovddeja: is everything merged?16:08
ddejaand thanks to Renat and Dougal it was merged before the O-3 freeze :)16:08
d0ugalI don't really have anything to share this week :)16:08
rakhmerovthat you wanted16:08
ddejayup ;)16:08
sharatssI have almost no status. Was on vacation last week.16:09
rakhmerovd0ugal, sharatss: ok16:09
d0ugalsharatss: oh, good reminder - I will be on vacation next week. So don't look for me :)16:09
sharatssHad to test congress actions, couldn't :(16:09
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rakhmerovd0ugal: can I announce your new role on the project? :)16:09
d0ugalrakhmerov: ha, sure16:09
ddejathis week I'd like to double check if it works as expected and fix any bugs I will found in it16:09
rakhmerovddeja: yes, please16:09
d0ugalrakhmerov: but that did make it sound more exciting than it is :)16:09
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rakhmerovso, d0ugal will be the liaison for Mistral documentation in Pike16:10
sharatssd0ugal: i will miss you :))16:10
ddejacongrats d0ugal :)16:10
d0ugalThanks :)16:11
rakhmerovthere's a plan in the community to start more active communication with the projects in order to improve docs in OpenStack16:11
d0ugalHopefully I can do the role justice ;)16:11
rakhmerovso far I've been formally a liaison but I was a bad one16:11
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rakhmerovyes, so we'll be counting on you :)16:11
sharatssd0ugal: congrats :)16:12
rakhmerovI didn't have any special topics this week since I jumped into technical stuff and want to focus on it for now16:12
rakhmerovmy main goal though before the PTG is to prepare a good plan to discuss our topics we collected in the etherpad16:13
ddejaI have one small topic: failing mysql/postgres gates16:13
rakhmerovby a good plan I mean a more detailed list of topic and approximate time that we need to discuss it and when it's going to be16:14
rakhmerovddeja: yes, I was going to ask you about it actually16:14
rakhmerovgo ahead16:14
rakhmerovshare what you know16:14
ddejaso, I spend some time looking on it16:14
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ddejai can reporduce it lokally using tox -e unit-mysql16:14
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ddejaand I have a patch that fix it in a dummy way16:14
rakhmerovok, 1) what's the issue? 2) what's your fix that you call dummy?16:15
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ddejaso that's the patch16:15
ddejaand it deletes the importing of muranoclient16:16
ddejathat's why it is dummy16:16
d0ugalso muranoclient is causing an issue?16:16
rakhmerovbut the gates are still failing on it16:16
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ddejayes, since one or two tests requires the muronaclient16:16
ddejabut most of the tests passes16:16
ddejaon another patches, almost all tests not pass16:17
ddejaso, the problem is with muronoclient, but I have no idea what the problem may be16:17
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ddejaIf i use the python from .tox/unit-mysql/bin/python16:17
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ddejaand do importutils.load('python-muronoclient')16:18
ddejait just works16:18
tuan__ddeja: murano :)16:18
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ddejatuan__: yes16:19
ddejamissclick ;)16:19
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ddejabut, what I can do for now16:19
ddejais to put PBR inside the tests and see what the heck is happening when we use tox16:19
ddejaI can try tommorow16:19
rakhmerovyes, ok16:20
ddejathat's all on this topic16:20
ddejathe most interesting is what kong found16:20
ddejathat it started to fail after we change the version of.... novaclient16:20
tuan__after discussing ddeja problem16:21
tuan__i have another one16:21
rakhmerovddeja: I'd suggest we write to openstack-dev16:21
tuan__i think it should be discussed16:21
ddejarakhmerov: OK, I can send an email16:21
rakhmerovseems like it makes sense to ask Murano team, they may know about it and be able to help16:21
rakhmerov#action ddeja: send an email to openstack-dev about the issue with the murano client16:22
d0ugalOver time, I think it would be great if we could somehow isolate actions.16:22
rakhmerovtuan__: what's your topic?16:22
rakhmerovd0ugal: StackStorm did this16:23
tuan__yeap, it is the topic of cacert16:23
rakhmerovwith using separate virtual envs16:23
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rakhmerovwhich also allows to use different dependencies16:23
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d0ugalrakhmerov: ah, interesting. I was wondering how well that would work. containers would be another interesting approach :)16:23
tuan__can i explain my topic16:23
d0ugaltuan__: please do16:23
tuan__d0ugal: interetsing with docker16:23
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tuan__so, the problem like this16:24
rakhmerovtuan__: sure, please do, it's just our regular way of having these meetings: we just keep telling our stuff no matter what others are doing :)16:24
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tuan__when we create pythonclient of other projects16:24
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tuan__in mistral i do not see the cacert that should be fetched16:24
tuan__for instance16:24
tuan__if inside workflow, i would like my novaclient talk to nova server by using cacert16:25
tuan__and i do not see the cacert is fetched into novaclient in mistral16:25
tuan__inside mistral/actions/openstack/actions.py16:26
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rakhmerovtuan__: ok, so the issue is that even though we can pass cacert from the client as --os-cacert parameter it doesn't get passed through to other OpenStack clients?16:27
rakhmerovdoes that sound accurate?16:27
rakhmerovbecause when I'm looking at the client code I see that we can pass it16:28
tuan__we just pass it to mistralclient16:28
tuan__how does mistralclient passes it to novaclient16:29
rakhmerovno, I don't know yet16:29
rakhmerovI'm just trying to clarify my understanding16:29
tuan__of course we ccan do that by passing context of mistralclient16:29
tuan__but i do not see it in the code16:29
rakhmerovno, this is a bad way16:29
rakhmerovok, I understand16:29
rakhmerovtuan__: please file a bug (look for an existing one) and change its priority to High16:30
tuan__we will talk to our team and file a bug ASAP16:30
tuan__actually we did an implementation for this fix16:31
tuan__and now fixing unittest and testing it16:31
rakhmerovis it already on review?16:31
tuan__not yet16:31
rakhmerovok, cool16:31
tuan__we are fixging unittest16:31
rakhmerovbut please have a bug report anyway16:31
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tuan__for sure16:31
rakhmerovanything else folks?16:31
ddejaI'm done16:32
rakhmerovif no I'd like to keep this meeting short16:32
tuan__ddeja: what about the kombu16:32
ddejatuan__: It's not that easy16:32
d0ugalI have one question, but it can wait until tomorrow :) so nothing from me.16:33
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ddejabut I'll file an patch as soon as I get it done16:33
rakhmerovtuan__, ddeja: what are you discussing about kombu?16:33
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ddejawe can re-use failover mechanisms from kombu library16:33
ddejainstead of what I did - writing our own ;)16:33
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ddejaso I need to do a little refactor16:34
ddejaso we can use those16:34
rakhmerovhm.. not sure I'm following you16:34
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rakhmerovcan you briefly tell what exactly you're going to refactor/replace?16:34
tuan__yeap, but i think you can take a look to the oslo messaging that for you i think it is an easy stuff16:34
ddejaright now in kombu driver you can pass a number of rabbitMQ servers16:34
tuan__as you did before16:34
rakhmerovddeja: ack16:34
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ddejaand connect to one of them, in case of failure, connect to another etc.16:35
rakhmerovthe patch we recently merged16:35
ddejaand I've implemented the logic of catching the exception and reconnecting16:35
rakhmerovwith "HA" it its title16:35
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ddejabut, such mechanism is implemented in kombu library16:35
rakhmerovI see16:35
rakhmerovyeah, it's good if you can reuse it16:35
ddejaso with a little refactor, we can delete some code from mistral and rely on kombu16:35
rakhmerovyep, good16:36
tuan__ddeja: btw, your patch is still good16:36
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ddejatuan__: that is why I'm saing it's not easy, I need to refactor the kombu_server16:36
ddejafor kombu client it's a one-line change16:36
tuan__okay, i understand16:36
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rakhmerovtuan__: are you using Kombu based RPC in CBAM?16:36
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rakhmerovor oslo.messaging based? Default one16:37
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ddejarakhmerov: oh, and tuan__ is a person who pointed me that there is a failover mechanism in kombu ;)16:37
rakhmerovI'm just not aware16:37
rakhmerovI see, thanks tuan__ :)16:37
rakhmerovok, ending the meeting?16:38
tuan__rakhmerov: we use rabbitmq16:38
rakhmerovtuan__: ok, I asked a little different thing, let's talk tomorrow16:38
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rakhmerovIstvan can probably help us answer this16:39
rakhmerovok, thanks everyone for joining16:39
rakhmerovhave a good week16:39
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jamemccHi - I'm here for (and to run) the user_committee18:58
jproulxHi jamemcc18:58
jamemccHi Jon18:58
jamemccDon't want to step in front of you18:58
jamemccI just told Edgar I could if he needed18:59
jproulxNo by all means :)18:59
jproulxI've been a bit out of the loop due to internal doing-less-with-less chaos so just trying to catch up a bit18:59
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jamemcc#startmeeting user_committee19:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'user_committee'19:00
mrhillsmanjust noticed edgar will not be here19:00
jamemccI told him I'd be glad to run it if no-one else would/could19:00
mrhillsmantotally missed that in the email19:00
mrhillsmanthx for stepping up jamemcc19:01
jamemccMy first - so lets all help Jamey19:01
jamemcc#topic UC Election19:01
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jamemccI can see this progress for preparations but have no special knowledge19:01
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docaedoyow, feb 3 is end of this week, how time flies!19:03
jamemccDo we need to follow-up with Matt Jarvis and Matt Van Winkle - I sent an e-mail to them but just before start of this meeting19:04
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mrhillsmanwas there anything in particular around the election we needed to discuss?19:04
jproulxJanuary 30 - February 10, 05:59 UTC: Open candidacy for UC positions -- suggests nomination period should be starting today19:04
jproulxTom Fiefield is pulling current  AUC listing last I heard & generating voting links for ellection official to send19:05
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jamemccGood to know Jon19:06
jproulxThere's also onging work to write up a SuperUser post explaining what a good candidate looks like (I belive Shilla is on that)19:06
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docaedothat should be a good read, looking forward to seeing it19:06
jproulxThat's what I know19:06
jamemccYeah - I think the action will be to clarify those dates - possible bump out a few days if the infrastructure is not ready. Tom Fifefield check along that path.  Then SHilla to get date for publishing and finally  then to notify all via User Committee DL.19:07
mrhillsmanis there an expected date for this to go out since nominations need to be submitted by this friday 05:59 utc19:07
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leongmrhillsman: nominations is till 2/10 which is next friday19:08
jproulxI'd have expected today, but have been a bit out of the loop due to internal issues at MIT19:08
mrhillsmanleong do we need to update that section at the bottom of the election page then?19:09
jamemccI was wondering if it had to be by a certain date - based on Charter or OS By-laws - but I re-read and dont' see any fixed date need.19:09
docaedocurrently page reads " email to the mailing-list, with the subject: “UC candidacy” by February 3, 05:59 UTC"19:09
leongthe link here said 2/10:
mrhillsmani do not think it is clear then but i could be wrong19:10
jproulxdocaedo: which page is that?19:10
mrhillsmandame page19:10
docaedoleong: yeah the page has that section for candidates at the bottom, the one you linked to19:10
mrhillsmanat the bottom under candidates19:10
jproulxnever mind I see now19:11
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leongmrhillsman: saw what you mean...19:11
jamemccSO we really need to clear that up as well - probably by today if we can19:11
leongso the date should be 2/10 instead?19:12
jamemccSeems the Feb 10 date for Candidacy makes sense19:12
jproulxI belive 10th is correct19:12
jproulxI'd booked solid after this can someone else submit that change19:13
jamemccThe part that says The electorate is requested to confirm their email address in gerrit, > Settings > Contact Information > Preferred Email, prior to February 4, 2017 05:5919:13
jproulxI cna review it slightly after hours if noone else with +2 gets to it first19:13
jamemccProbably shoudl get moved out as well giving a few days after the Superuser and User Committee communictions19:14
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jamemccOK - so agreed someon to followup on all the little details to clarify the sptes, dates and update the page with dates?19:15
jamemccAny volunteer?19:16
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mrhillsmani have no +2 but can follow up19:16
jamemccok, thanks19:17
jproulxI can +2 after it's followed up, but have 4hr delay after this be for Ican get back to it.19:17
jamemcc#action mrhillsman to clear up steps, dates and Election Communication page19:17
jproulxthanks mrhillsman19:17
jamemccI'm glad to help as well if I can19:18
jamemccAnything else on that topic?19:18
jamemcc#topic PTG activities from UC members19:19
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jamemccThis one doesn't mean too much to me in regards to the UC.19:19
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jproulxI'm not attending PTG so nothing from me19:20
mrhillsmanI am not slated to attend the PTG and would probably not be able to squeeze it in now if it was needed from UC perspective19:20
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jproulxanyone here who put that on the agenda? presumably someone had a thought about it, but not I.19:21
jamemccAs a working group chair we are sending our project team members to approproate project team sessions but are not attending as the Working Group19:21
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leongwhat is the PTG activities about from UC perspective?19:22
mrhillsmani do not think it has changed but ptg is about working on code19:22
jamemccIf youy look at the above - on Monday andTuesday there are some teams that are similar to working groups19:23
jamemccBut I think they are gathering under Technical Committee guifance not UC19:23
leongthose are under TC19:24
jproulxYes as I understand it PTG is about execution, Summit (or whatever) is about planning and direction which is more where UC & PTG stuff meets19:24
jproulxI mean UC & TC stuff meets19:24
docaedoyep, that's my understanding too - ptg is all about code and forum (boston) is going to be for PTLs for projects to work with UC/WG folks on planning and direction19:24
jamemccOk, so seems clear no special UC activies planned for the Atlanta PTG.  Agreed?19:25
jproulxAFAIK that's true19:25
jamemcc#info  no special UC activies planned for the Atlanta PTG.19:25
AndyUWhats happening in these?  Release Goals  Release Mgmt / Stable maint / Requirements19:25
jamemccSHould we talk about Midcycle in the same way before we go on to the Boston SUmmit?19:26
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jamemccI'm not sure we have the expertise here to answer that Andy19:27
jamemccWould you take an action item to investigate and get back to all via DL?19:27
jproulxNext OPs meetup is in Milan, team planning it meet tomorrow (1400 UTC I think) current event plan working draft
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mrhillsman1500 UTC19:28
jproulxyup 1500 in thx19:28
mrhillsmantomorrow in #openstack-operators19:28
jamemccAny UC meeting planned or desired there?19:29
mrhillsmani know the pwg is co-locating Monday and Tuesday they have, ops Wednesday and Thursday19:29
mrhillsmanunless pwg changed course19:29
AndyUstill the pwg plan19:30
leongthat's the plan for PWG19:30
jamemccI could see some kind of summary or cross group ending sponsored by the UC unless (and it probably is) being planned by the Ops meetup team.19:30
mrhillsmanand sessions are still open so i do not see why a uc meeting cannot happen as well19:30
leongunless we have issues with location...19:30
AndyUand possibly EWG on Friday19:31
leongAndyU.. more likely there will be no EWG on Friday, defer to after Boston summit19:31
AndyUok. thx19:31
jamemccAny other proposals/justification for UC to have a session there?19:31
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jamemccI guess it could and would be the first 5 person UC committee gathering19:32
mrhillsmanit can be done if wanted19:33
jamemccPerhaps boot camp for new UC Committee members (that was a little out there) and planing for next year goals?19:33
mrhillsmani do not think any of the folks on the ops side steering the midcycle would object19:33
mrhillsmanbut can be discussed tomorrow for confirmation19:33
mrhillsmani can action that and follow up via DL19:33
jamemccAgain thanks19:34
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jamemcc#action mrhillsman Investigate possibility of UC meetup time at Ops-Meetup in Milan19:34
jamemcc#topic Boston planning19:35
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mrhillsmanwelcome again hehe19:35
jproulxDefinitely a UC session there19:35
jamemccHas anyone requested UC sessions at Boston - referencing the weekends guidelines for Workign Groups to request meeting space?19:35
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jproulxThe UC has been I'm not sure about the status of individual WGs19:37
jamemccSO the action items - per DL is for all WG chairs to request sessions before Feb 6 submission deadline19:38
leongPWG has submitted Working Session and BoF for WG19:38
jamemccFYI - LCOO has requested19:39
AndyUsuggest session(s) to raise awareness of AUC.s and this process:
leongEWG will do the similar as well19:39
leongAndyU, i'm planning to do that :-)19:39
jamemcc#action WG chairs submit for WG session in Boston at before Feb 619:40
jamemccWhat else should UC be doing to plan for Boston?19:40
leongjamemcc, i believe that should be an action for UC to notifiy WG chairs to submit19:41
jamemccGood correction - thanks19:41
jproulxI can take that19:41
jamemcc#action jprolux Notify WG Chairs to submit for WG session in Boston at before Feb 619:41
leongCarolBarret has requested an agenda item to be added today (a proposal from PWG to help UC to facilitate Boston Forum)19:42
leongshould we discuss here or in Open?19:42
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jamemccSeems good here19:43
leonglooking at the time.. maybe i would suggest postpone to next meeting19:43
leongmeanwhile, i have drafted a slides for the discussion19:44
jamemccPerhaps related - I could see having a UC session for the WG Chairs to generally educate and maybe more importantly coordinate across the WGs19:44
jamemccSounds good and still plenty timely19:44
leong#link PWG Proposal for Boston Forum:
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jamemcc#action leong Present proposal from PWG to help UC to facilitate Boston Forum in next UC meeting - 2 weeks19:45
leongShamail, CarolBarrett, Kencjohnston and GeraldK discuss in PWG, we came out with a proposal and would like to discuss with UC19:45
leong+1 jamemcc19:45
jamemccI guess nothing wrong to send out ahead of the next meeting in UC DL as well Leong19:46
leongthanks jamemcc :)19:46
jamemccTHanks - looking forward to it19:46
jproulxyes good to have materials before hand (first glance looks good)19:46
jamemccANy other Boston ideas - needs?19:46
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AndyULeong:  Nice  +119:47
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jamemccok, final topic19:48
jamemcc#topic Open Agenda19:48
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jamemccI think we should do a little work to reconcile and update the 2 wiki pages I find in UC.19:48
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jamemccI can and in fact did update the first one lightly just before this meeting19:50
leong+1 jamemcc, those pages needs to be updated19:50
MeganRjamemcc: it would be great to have those updated19:51
jamemccJon, If I'm understanding - the Governance one is done through Gerrit?19:51
jproulxyes, governance is meant to take precedence since it in git and thus requires some level of approval, but def need to bring teams and working groups up to date19:51
leongthe wiki page can be updated by just "logging in"19:52
jamemccOk so how about this plan - I'll update the first one and send out note on UC DL for others - especially other chairs to update19:52
jamemccThen we can use it's content to finalize the 2nd one in GIT19:52
leonghowever, i tried to update "emai" but it was rejected due to "email spam control"19:52
mrhillsmanbut i think you still need some extra permissions no?19:52
jamemccBecause at least it's list of Workign Groups is more up to date (or at least longer)19:53
jproulxNo extra perms for wiki AFAIK,  govenance needs to be UC approved through Gerrit making it "official"19:53
jproulxjamemcc: +119:53
leong+1 jproulx, anyone with a valid ID can login and update the wiki19:53
docaedohah last time I tried to update a wiki page (two weeks ago I think?) I was also denied, was just changing some meeting dates but their spam filter said NO!19:54
jamemcc#action jamemcc Update and send out on UC DL for other Chairs to also update.19:54
jamemccOther topics?19:54
leongdocaedo, i did successfully updated the wiki, but got denied when i tried to update "email" and was blocked by spam filter19:55
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jproulxmove to adjourn?19:56
jamemccSecond that19:56
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jamemccThanks all19:56
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mrhillsmanthx jamemcc for chairing and all for attending19:56
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tonyb#startmeeting stable21:02
openstackMeeting started Mon Jan 30 21:02:28 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is tonyb. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'stable'21:02
* mtreinish noticed today21:03
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tonybmtreinish: \o/21:06
tonybsigmavirus: hey there21:06
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tonybsigmavirus: sorry to split focus on the glance issue and the meeting21:06
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sigmavirustonyb: no worries21:06
sigmavirusThat has been going on for days (I was distracted with release cpl duties)21:06
sigmavirusSo it can probably wait a bit longer =P21:06
tonybsigmavirus: Perhaps but it might be a fun way for me to remeber what it is that I do ....21:07
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tonybI haven21:08
tonyb't written up an agenda for today but I guess it's Status, PTG/Pike planning (if any), Pike glance bug21:09
sigmavirusMitaka glance bug?21:09
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tonybsigmavirus: Yeah bad inline editing21:10
sigmavirustonyb: no worries. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something21:10
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mtreinishsigmavirus: heh, tonyb is getting ready to discuss next month's bugs already :)21:11
tonybSo status. liberty needs the nest round of EOLing done, then clean up all the old branches21:11
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sigmavirusWise and the gift of foresight. What more could we want?21:11
tonybasside from the mitaka glance bug (and pribably a ceilomioter one) is the gate mostly okay?21:11
sigmavirusseems to be21:13
mtreinishI do like the stable hammer branch, although I have no idea what it is21:14
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sigmavirusmtreinish: someone saw a nail?21:14
sigmaviruslooks like the puppet project21:14
tonybI think it's a puppet release name21:15
tonybmtreinish: I have questions on that view ...21:15
mtreinishtonyb: sure21:16
tonybmtreinish: Are the failure rates really percentages? it goes from 0 -> 1 so I want to read 0.1 as 10% but that doesn't match with the text21:16
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tonyb0.1% is meh 10% is more interesting ....21:17
mtreinishyeah it's 10% not .1%21:17
mtreinishthat's definitely a bug21:17
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mtreinishit's missing a * 100 somewhere in the js21:18
* sigmavirus would troll about it displaying fine in his browser, but won't21:19
tonybmtreinish: okay I'll fix that21:19
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tonybsigmavirus: it displays fine for me or are you sayign that the 'Job Failure Rate' goes from 0 to 100 in the y- axis for you?21:20
sigmavirustonyb: ignore me21:20
sigmavirusI've had too much caffeine today :)21:20
tonybsigmavirus: I have the inverse problem ;P21:20
tonybmtreinish: there used to be a way to remove the passing tests from the total jobs graph, did that go away or am I just not seeing it?21:21
mtreinishtonyb: it went away when we stopped using nvd3 (for memory and performance reasons)21:22
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tonybmtreinish: Ah okay21:22
mtreinishI can bug timothyb89 about adding it back. Because I barely understanding all the code he wrote to render the graphs :)21:23
tonybmtreinish: I can poke him in -qa21:23
tonybmtreinish: Thanks for the link21:23
timothyb89mtreinish, tonyb: I will look into adding it back21:24
mtreinishtimothyb89: cool, thanks21:24
tonybtimothyb89: \o/21:24
* tonyb really likes the "lurk in all the meeting rooms" thing :)21:24
tonybso ....21:24
tonyb#topic PTG/Pike planning21:24
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tonybwe have a shared space with release/requirements in ATL21:25
tonybdo we want to schedule a working bee or any key discussion topics?>21:25
* sigmavirus won't be at the PTG21:25
tonybsigmavirus: :(21:25
mtreinishtonyb: are we going to have the obligatory make support windows longer discussion? :p21:25
tonybmtreinish: I was hoping to avoid it21:26
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sigmavirusI'll send someone to instigate it, just for you mtreinish21:26
tonybsigmavirus: prometheanfire is a reasonable proxy (assumeing he'll be theer)21:26
mtreinishsigmavirus: LOL21:27
sigmavirustonyb: Matt doesn't listen to me21:27
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tonybsigmavirus: He will if you're aking hime to make trouble ... he likes that sort of thing ;P21:27
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sigmavirustonyb: not if it's me asking him to cause trouble21:28
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tonybsigmavirus: Well if you think of anything you'd like discuessed and if you can attend remotely we can do that thing21:28
tonybsigmavirus: ;P21:28
sigmavirusIf remote attendance works this year, I'll try to attend remotely, but I have nothing in particular21:28
tonybsigmavirus: okay.21:28
sigmavirusI'd love if I could find another glance stable core who has time to review things but I seem to be the only person21:28
sigmavirusAnd really taht's fine because so few people are backporting anything anywa21:28
tonybsigmavirus: I wonder if it's worth trying to nail down the "do we need meetings" thing21:28
sigmavirustonyb: I like meetings21:29
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sigmaviruseven if they're only short21:29
sigmavirusThe security team has capped meetings to 30 min21:29
tonybsigmavirus: okay.21:29
sigmavirusAnd I'm happy to run meetings if that's desirable21:29
tonybsigmavirus: I wonder if we shoudl do the same21:29
sigmavirusI run very tight meetings21:29
tonybI overlap moer with the US so it's easier to have a quick chate with y'all but Eurpoe is harder and it's been good to speak to ttx and apevec from time-to-time21:30
* tonyb makes a note to look at the security meeting logs21:30
* tonyb waffles a bit (read lot)21:30
tonyb#topic mitaka glance bug21:31
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sigmavirustonyb: at least, if you ever need a sub, I can help =P21:31
tonybsigmavirus: :)21:31
sigmavirusSo yeah, the glance bug I'm pretty sure is related to setuptools 34.*21:32
tonybsigmavirus: You had 3 possible solutions to the bug new enough pip, chnage the requirements ordering ... what was thr 3rd?21:32
* tonyb really would like to be able to cap setuptools but alas :(21:32
sigmavirusI don't think the third is at all preferable but changing upper constraints for setuptools21:32
sigmavirusThat said, I'm not sure where best to add the macro to get pip's version21:33
tonybsigmavirus: Ahh we don't (shoudln't) have setuptools in u-c21:33
sigmavirusAnd someone on my team is seeing similar issues with knew-enough pip21:33
sigmavirusSo, I'm not sure option 1 is that much of an option21:33
tonybsigmavirus: okay so how does option 2 help?21:33
sigmavirustonyb: so, pip *should* be ordering what is installed and in what order to avoid problems where a library needs a dependency that doesn't exist21:34
sigmavirusIf we give pip an explicit ordering, it might help21:34
sigmavirusI'm not certain it *will* but I think it's worth trying21:34
mtreinishsigmavirus: would opt 3, changing u-c work? because it depends on pip (which includes setuptools)21:34
mtreinishoh, I'm slow tonyb realized that already21:34
sigmavirusmtreinish: so pip doesn't force setuptools to a specific version21:35
sigmavirusit's happy to use something that's remotely new enough21:35
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mtreinishsigmavirus: well it uses whatever is installed when it creates the venv right?21:35
* mtreinish is still fighting jetlag21:35
sigmavirusmtreinish: uh, not quite21:35
sigmavirusvirtualenv has code to download/install latest pip/setuptools by default iirc21:36
tonybsigmavirus: option would be a bit house of cardsish wouldn't it .... I mean if we say $lib1 $lib2 and thr deps for $lib1 chnage then the ordering we check will break wont it?21:36
sigmavirusThat might not be true for system-packaged versions of virtualenv though21:36
sigmavirustonyb: yeah exactly,21:36
sigmavirustonyb: that said, six has no dependencies, so I figure moving it to the top would be safe enough21:36
tonybsigmavirus: I though venv always used the vendored tools ans tox woudl update them but I'm hazy there21:36
sigmavirustonyb: nah, tox uses what ever virtualenv installs21:37
tonybsigmavirus: okay so much confusion in how all this works for most people including me21:37
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tonybsigmavirus: I think that moving six it a reasonable band-aid for now.  I assume it's only hitting mitakak 'cause of somethign else we've cappu in u-c?21:38
mtreinishtonyb: oh, is it just an ordering probably in requirements? that's an acceptable fix for the lack of a dep solver21:39
* mtreinish hasn't seen the actual bug21:39
openstackLaunchpad bug 1660444 in Glance mitaka "Glance stable/mitaka docs cannot be built" [High,Triaged]21:39
sigmavirusI don't lightly blame third party devs who do the work in their free time, but I feel like this was borderline irresponsible of setuptools and this has caused serious problems for other (non-OpenStack) people/projects21:40
tonybsigmavirus: Yeah it seems like a strange move and not well tested/communicated but we can't really help that now21:41
sigmavirusActually, setuptools isn't even in our requirements list21:41
sigmavirus*our = Glance21:42
sigmavirusSo moving this around won't really do very much because pip is relying on setuptools and pkg_resources at run time and then six is being pulled out before pkg_resources can import it? (Maybe?)21:42
sigmavirusI need to dig deeper into this21:42
mtreinishsigmavirus: it wouldn't be, normally it's set via pbr (or something else)21:42
tonybsigmavirus: that's pretty common for OpenStack21:42
sigmavirusYeah, so reordering probably wouldn't even work21:43
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tonybsigmavirus: okay we21:44
tonybll play with it. how much longer are you online for?21:44
sigmavirustonyb: technically I should be getting offline21:44
sigmavirusor rather, should already be offline21:44
tonybsigmavirus: okay.21:45
sigmavirusI might reach out to Donald Stufft for some help21:45
tonybsigmavirus: I need to take the kids to school and I wont ask you to stay around longer21:45
sigmavirusNo worries21:45
sigmavirusI'll probably be online on my non-work IRC in an hour or two21:45
sigmavirusHave to release some non-OpenStack software to the PyPIs21:45
tonybsigmavirus: okay I'll ping you in -stable replay if you online and want to chat I wont be offedned if you ignore me ;P21:46
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sigmavirusheh, I don't use this nick after I finish work. But I'll hop in with my other one21:46
tonybsigmavirus: Yeah that'd be the one I highlighted ;P21:47
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sigmavirusanyway, anything else for today?21:47
tonybI was about the # endmeeting ....21:47
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tonybThanks all!21:48
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asingh_tonyb while installing stable/liberty using devstack, i upgraded pip version to 9.0.1, after running ./, it downgraded pip version to 7.0.1 and shows error that pip version 9 is needed . is there something i am missing?21:49
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tonybasingh_: Happy to discuss that in #openstack-dev in ~45mins21:50
asingh_ok tonyb, thank you21:50
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tonybasingh_: I'm back care to join #openstack-stable so we can discuss you issue?22:44
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