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| hongbin | #startmeeting zun | 03:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 28 03:00:25 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 03:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zun' | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zun#Agenda_for_2017-03-28_0300_UTC Today's agenda | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #topic Roll Call | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
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| lakerzhou | lakerzhou | 03:00 |
| Namrata | Namrata | 03:00 |
| kevinz | kevinz | 03:00 |
| yuanying | yuanying | 03:00 |
| mkrai | Madhuri Kumari | 03:00 |
| hongbin | thanks for joining lakerzhou Namrata kevinz yuanying mkrai | 03:01 |
| hongbin | let's get started | 03:01 |
| hongbin | #topic Cinder integration (diga) | 03:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cinder integration (diga) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:01 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/cinder-zun-integration The BP | 03:01 |
| diga | o/ | 03:01 |
| hongbin | diga: hi diga | 03:01 |
| diga | hi | 03:01 |
| hongbin | diga: want to give a update about he cinder integration bp? | 03:02 |
| diga | I think Core implementation part is completed | 03:02 |
| diga | yeah | 03:02 |
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| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/429943/ | 03:02 |
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| diga | hongbin: Tested with client also, thanks hongbin on help fixing the issue | 03:02 |
| diga | hongbin: I haven't added test cases yet for my patch as patch is huge | 03:03 |
| diga | hongbin: will start adding it now as code is working | 03:03 |
| diga | state | 03:03 |
| hongbin | diga: feel free to add test cases in follow-up patches in this case | 03:03 |
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| diga | hongbin: sure | 03:03 |
| diga | hongbin: that's it from my side | 03:04 |
| hongbin | diga: i have a request for you | 03:04 |
| diga | hongbin: yes | 03:04 |
| hongbin | diga: could you briefly explain how your patch works in high level? | 03:05 |
| diga | hongbin: currently we have dependency on fuxi, we need fuxi for now, there are some testing pending fuxi side also but will test it today | 03:05 |
| diga | hongbin: we have to make sure cinder, fuxi & | 03:06 |
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| diga | should exist | 03:06 |
| pksingh | Hello, sorry for being late | 03:06 |
| hongbin | pksingh: hey, np, thanks for joining | 03:06 |
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| hongbin | diga: ok | 03:07 |
| diga | hongbin: then we can run create volume call from zunclient will go to cinder first, create volume & then pass that volume to fuxi to attach it to docker volume | 03:07 |
| diga | hongbin: I will update step by step doc in wiki | 03:07 |
| diga | hongbin: zun volume-create -n testvol -d fuxi (cli call) | 03:08 |
| hongbin | diga: ok, then the request will go to zun-api | 03:08 |
| diga | hongbin: will try to cover all the testing today & push latest changes | 03:08 |
| diga | hongbin: yes | 03:08 |
| hongbin | diga: zun-api will pass the request to ? | 03:08 |
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| diga | zun-api will pass to volume driver | 03:09 |
| hongbin | ok, i saw there are two volume drivers? | 03:09 |
| mkrai_ | volume driver here is cinder or fuxi? | 03:09 |
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| diga | volume driver will call cinder driver to create volume & then request comes back to volume driver & then volume driver will initiate docker volume | 03:10 |
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| diga | Currently I am creating volume first in Cinder, actually docker level we are using fuxi as volume driver | 03:10 |
| hongbin | i see | 03:11 |
| diga | hongbin: just one question on Fuxi | 03:12 |
| hongbin | diga: go ahead | 03:12 |
| diga | hongbin: does fuxi support manila also ? | 03:12 |
| hongbin | diga: yes | 03:12 |
| diga | hongbin: will go through it | 03:13 |
| mkrai_ | diga: Yes | 03:13 |
| mkrai_ | I see it in their github page | 03:13 |
| diga | okay | 03:13 |
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| hongbin | diga: i think doc and tests can be added later | 03:13 |
| diga | hongbin: okay | 03:14 |
| hongbin | diga: right now, our priority is to get the gate passed | 03:14 |
| diga | hongbin: give me today, I will do one final testing & update the patch | 03:14 |
| hongbin | dims: sure | 03:14 |
| hongbin | diga: sure | 03:14 |
| hongbin | dims: sorry, wrong person :) | 03:14 |
| diga | hongbin: but without test, how we can pass the gate | 03:14 |
| diga | hongbin: is it possible ? | 03:15 |
| hongbin | diga: we should pass | 03:15 |
| diga | hongbin: okay | 03:15 |
| hongbin | diga: i will help you with that offline | 03:15 |
| diga | hongbin: okay, gr8 | 03:15 |
| diga | hongbin: will ping you after meeting | 03:15 |
| hongbin | diga: sure, thanks for your huge contribution on this feature | 03:15 |
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| hongbin | all, any other question for diga ? | 03:16 |
| diga | hongbin: welcome! | 03:16 |
| diga | hongbin: i m done! | 03:16 |
| hongbin | thanks diga | 03:17 |
| hongbin | #topic Kuryr integration (hongbin) | 03:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kuryr integration (hongbin) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:17 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/kuryr-integration The BP | 03:17 |
| hongbin | i wanted to bring up this patch | 03:17 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447732/ | 03:17 |
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| hongbin | do everyone have a chance to review it? | 03:17 |
| pksingh | will try to review by today | 03:18 |
| hongbin | if no, that is fine, i can give a brief introduction of it | 03:18 |
| hongbin | pksingh: ack, thx | 03:18 |
| diga | hongbin: will take a look at it today | 03:18 |
| mkrai_ | I also take a look today | 03:18 |
| hongbin | ok | 03:18 |
| hongbin | thanks everyone | 03:18 |
| hongbin | the general idea is to have a network abstraction in zun, that maps the "docker network" command | 03:19 |
| hongbin | then, container will join/leave a network, and two containers can share a network | 03:20 |
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| hongbin | containers within the same network should enjoy all the features provided by libnetwork | 03:20 |
| hongbin | i.e. they can resolve each other by hostname | 03:20 |
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| hongbin | that is the idea | 03:21 |
| hongbin | for details, we can discuss in the review | 03:21 |
| hongbin | any question for this one? | 03:21 |
| mkrai_ | I am interested in looking the flow, but I suppose that it will be in the spec | 03:22 |
| FengShengqin | will remove scanbox-container if using kuryr ? | 03:22 |
| hongbin | mkrai_: yes, the flow is on hte spec | 03:22 |
| mkrai_ | Thanks hongbin I will take a look | 03:22 |
| hongbin | FengShengqin: yes, if kuryr is introduced, sandbox might be removed, but we can discuss it later | 03:22 |
| FengShengqin | i see | 03:23 |
| diga | yeah | 03:23 |
| hongbin | ok, one more thing, i am going to implement the spec after it is approved, but feel free to ping me if anyone interest to take over the work | 03:23 |
| diga | hongbin: I think sandbox feature is also a good addition to zun | 03:24 |
| hongbin | diga: yes, i am thinking we should make it optional , and let each driver to decide to support sandbox or not | 03:24 |
| hongbin | diga: but that could be decided later | 03:25 |
| diga | hongbin: okay | 03:25 |
| hongbin | ok, advance topic | 03:26 |
| hongbin | #topic Introduce host capabilities and cpusets (sudipto) | 03:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Introduce host capabilities and cpusets (sudipto) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:26 | |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427007/ The spec | 03:26 |
| hongbin | it looks sudipta is not here | 03:26 |
| hongbin | i saw he updated a patch | 03:26 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/449699/ | 03:26 |
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| hongbin | this is good, i guess the next step is the scheduler part | 03:27 |
| hongbin | any comment about this topic? | 03:28 |
| hongbin | ok, move on | 03:28 |
| hongbin | #topic Make "command" as positional parameter for run/create | 03:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Make "command" as positional parameter for run/create (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:28 | |
| hongbin | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/zun/+bug/1675082 | 03:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1675082 in Zun "Make "command" parameter as positional" [Medium,Opinion] - Assigned to <email address hidden> (feng-shengqin) | 03:29 |
| hongbin | i can briefly explain the idea | 03:29 |
| hongbin | right now, the style of the cli is: zun run --command xxx cirros | 03:29 |
| hongbin | i proposed to change it to: zun run cirros sh | 03:30 |
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| kevinz | make it like docker cli? | 03:30 |
| FengShengqin | yes | 03:30 |
| hongbin | that is : zun run cirros [command [args...]] | 03:30 |
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| mkrai_ | command is not a mandatory param | 03:31 |
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| mkrai_ | So is it good idea to make it positional | 03:31 |
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| hongbin | mkrai_: i don't think command is mandatory, since image can specify the default command | 03:31 |
| mkrai_ | yes so is it good to make it positional? Then it becomes mandatory | 03:32 |
| mkrai_ | to pass commands | 03:32 |
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| hongbin | i think it is still optional even we changed it to positional (just like docker) | 03:33 |
| hongbin | e.g. it can be: zun run nginx | 03:33 |
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| hongbin | or it can be: zun run cirros sleep 100000 | 03:33 |
| mkrai_ | If so then I am ok with it | 03:34 |
| hongbin | mkrai_: ack | 03:34 |
| hongbin | others, any remark for this one? | 03:34 |
| hongbin | feel free to bring up opposing point of view if any | 03:35 |
| hongbin | pksingh: what is your opinion on that? | 03:35 |
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| pksingh | hongbin: i am also OK with that | 03:36 |
| hongbin | pksingh: ack | 03:36 |
| hongbin | kevinz: you? | 03:36 |
| kevinz | hongbin: I'm OK also :-) | 03:36 |
| hongbin | FengShengqin: ok, i think you are ready to go | 03:37 |
| FengShengqin | OK.i will update the patch | 03:37 |
| hongbin | FengShengqin: thanks | 03:37 |
| hongbin | ok, next topic | 03:38 |
| hongbin | #topic Discuss image name at glance | 03:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discuss image name at glance (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:38 | |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446710/ | 03:38 |
| hongbin | lakerzhou: want to drive this one? | 03:38 |
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| lakerzhou | ok | 03:38 |
| lakerzhou | now, docker commit can take repository and tag as inputs, but both optional | 03:39 |
| lakerzhou | I propose a mandatory input, e.g. image-name for zun commit command, | 03:41 |
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| lakerzhou | the image-name will be used for the glance image | 03:41 |
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| lakerzhou | User can pull the status of the glance image using the input name. | 03:42 |
| lakerzhou | I am extending zun glance driver to create new image | 03:42 |
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| lakerzhou | is there any comments from the team about the proposal? | 03:44 |
| pksingh | how does this image name fits to docker registry? | 03:44 |
| lakerzhou | if we want to correlate them, we must define some new rules explicitly. | 03:45 |
| pksingh | how about this 'zun commit container repo [tag]' and convert repo to image-name internally for glance | 03:45 |
| lakerzhou | for example, glance image name can be used for repository | 03:46 |
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| mkrai_ | pksingh: to add to it and the tag in glance would be same as in docker | 03:46 |
| mkrai_ | +1 to use the repo name as image name as is for glance | 03:47 |
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| hongbin | i think we all agreed on using image name as repo? | 03:48 |
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| mkrai_ | yes | 03:48 |
| pksingh | hongbin: user provide image-name and internally we treat it as repo? | 03:49 |
| lakerzhou | then when user make multiple snapshots, images will created in same name | 03:49 |
| mkrai_ | lakerzhou: We can differentiate based on tags | 03:49 |
| mkrai_ | glance create api has tags field | 03:50 |
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| hongbin | pksingh: yes, i think the discussion about i) user provide image-name ii) user provide repo | 03:50 |
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| hongbin | pksingh: either i) or ii) the image-name is a repo internally | 03:50 |
| lakerzhou | yes, but it seems tag in glance has different meaning | 03:50 |
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| hongbin | lakerzhou: what is the meaning of tag in glance? | 03:51 |
| mkrai_ | Copied from glance api doc :"List of tags for this image. Each tag is a string of at most 255 chars. The maximum number of tags allowed on an image is set by the operator." | 03:51 |
| pksingh | hongbin: but image-name word does only fit to glance | 03:51 |
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| hongbin | pksingh: yes, i agree on that | 03:52 |
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| lakerzhou | Image tags make it easy to group images into functional units. You can retrieve a particular group of images by using the tag=<tag_value> filter on an image-list call. | 03:52 |
| lakerzhou | from rackspace doc | 03:52 |
| hongbin | i see | 03:53 |
| hongbin | lakerzhou: then, how about mapping docker tag as glance image properity? | 03:53 |
| hongbin | property | 03:53 |
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| lakerzhou | I haven't thought that, need to think about it. | 03:54 |
| pksingh | for now i think we can go ahead with image-name, but i think in future we need to change that | 03:54 |
| mkrai_ | Yes that's was also my suggestion | 03:54 |
| hongbin | sure | 03:55 |
| mkrai_ | lakerzhou: I can help you with the glance tag/property work if you're ok with it | 03:55 |
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| lakerzhou | But I don't have strong opinion on either options. We have to explicitly define a rule if we want to correlate repo/tag to image name | 03:55 |
| lakerzhou | sure, mkrai, please let me know you comments | 03:55 |
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| mkrai_ | lakerzhou: Thanks I will ping you later | 03:56 |
| hongbin | ok, then i tried to summary the discussion on this | 03:56 |
| lakerzhou | great, thanks mkrai | 03:56 |
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| hongbin | 1. use image-name (with a future revisit to change it to repo) | 03:56 |
| hongbin | 2. map docker tag to glance tag/property | 03:57 |
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| hongbin | then, zun commit <container> cirros:latest | 03:57 |
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| hongbin | this will convert to a glance image with name "cirros" and with tag/property "latest" | 03:58 |
| hongbin | is it the agreement of everyone? | 03:58 |
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| hongbin | (just to confirm) | 03:58 |
| pksingh | +1 | 03:58 |
| kevinz | +1 | 03:58 |
| lakerzhou | +1 | 03:58 |
| hongbin | ok | 03:59 |
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| hongbin | lakerzhou: then, i think you are good to go | 03:59 |
| lakerzhou | thanks all for the comments | 03:59 |
| hongbin | lakerzhou: thanks for leading the work on this feature | 03:59 |
| hongbin | sorry, we run out of time, we cannot cover all topics today | 04:00 |
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| hongbin | overflow is on #openstack-zun channel | 04:00 |
| hongbin | all, thanks for joining hte meeting | 04:00 |
| hongbin | #endmeeting | 04:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 04:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 28 04:00:41 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 04:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-03-28-03.00.html | 04:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-03-28-03.00.txt | 04:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-03-28-03.00.log.html | 04:00 |
| samP | Thanks... | 04:01 |
| samP | Hi all for masakari | 04:01 |
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| tpatil | Hi | 04:01 |
| rkmrHonjo | hi | 04:01 |
| sagara | hi | 04:01 |
| samP | #startmeeting masakari | 04:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 28 04:01:36 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is samP. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 04:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'masakari' | 04:01 |
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| samP | sorry for long absent | 04:01 |
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| samP | #topic critical bugs | 04:02 |
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| samP | Any bugs need to discuss? | 04:02 |
| rkmrHonjo | I'd like to discuss about https://bugs.launchpad.net/masakari/+bug/1670940 | 04:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1670940 in masakari "If failure host is the reserved host, the compute service of the failure host finally beccomes the enable status" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to takahara.kengo (takahara.kengo) | 04:03 |
| samP | rkmrHonjo: ok.. | 04:03 |
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| rkmrHonjo | samP:thanks. | 04:04 |
| rkmrHonjo | There are two solutions for this issue. | 04:04 |
| samP | rkmrHonjo: yep | 04:04 |
| rkmrHonjo | No.1 Remove crushed node from reserved host list. Reserved flag of the crushed node will be still "True" after evacuating. | 04:04 |
| rkmrHonjo | No.2 Change reserved flag of the crushed node to "False" before getting reserved host list. (As a result, crushed node will be not contained in reserved host list.) | 04:04 |
| rkmrHonjo | Takahara and I think that No.2 is simpler than No.1. But we can agree with No.1 if it has advantage or reasons. | 04:05 |
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| rkmrHonjo | Do anyone have the opinion about this? | 04:05 |
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| samP | rkmrHonjo: in both cases on_maintenance': True? | 04:05 |
| samP | right? | 04:05 |
| rkmrHonjo | samP: yes. | 04:06 |
| sagara | Is there any notification to operator both cases? | 04:06 |
| tpatil | sagara: Notification is not implemented yet in masakari | 04:07 |
| samP | sagara: tpatil is correct, we dont have it yet | 04:07 |
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| sagara | So can operator find that event in logs. | 04:07 |
| sagara | So can operator find that event in logs? | 04:07 |
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| samP | sagara: he may, but we have out sufficient log for that | 04:08 |
| tpatil | there are no logs to indicate on_maintenance is set to True | 04:08 |
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| samP | tpatil: yes, IMO we have to add that log msg | 04:09 |
| tpatil | Sure, we will add logs for this purpose, as well as identify other places which needs logs | 04:10 |
| samP | if we use solution 2., next time when we get the reserved host list, this host will still in the list with on-maintenance= true right? | 04:10 |
| tpatil | samP: correct | 04:11 |
| rkmrHonjo | samP: No. please wait for writing... | 04:11 |
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| tpatil | https://github.com/openstack/masakari/blob/master/masakari/engine/manager.py#L143, this is where on_maintenance is set to True | 04:12 |
| rkmrHonjo | samP: In solution 2, reserved flag will be changed to "false". Because crushed host is not contained in reserved host list at next time. | 04:12 |
| samP | rkmrHonjo: tpatil sorry I mean solution 1. | 04:13 |
| rkmrHonjo | samP: OK. | 04:13 |
| samP | rkmrHonjo: you are right, in sol 2. you will not get this host on the list any more | 04:13 |
| tpatil | rkmrHonjo: Did you check my comment which I have added today? | 04:15 |
| samP | so, if we can log out this issue, and set the host reserved=False, on_maintenance=True, then it will not effect further operations in masakari. | 04:16 |
| samP | And operator can take care of it later, and he may re-add this node after fix reserved=True, on_maintenance=False | 04:17 |
| rkmrHonjo | tpatil: Yes. In my understand, your comment is telling about solution 2. and, I don't think that overwriting "false" to "false" is not a problem. | 04:17 |
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| rkmrHonjo | s/I don't think/I think/gc | 04:17 |
| samP | rkmrHonjo: I think tpatil's comment is about unnecessary logic when the node is not a reserved host | 04:18 |
| rkmrHonjo | samP: Yes. But, is there problem if overwriting reserved flag from false to false? | 04:19 |
| tpatil | I think we should not update on_maintenance and reserved for no reasons | 04:19 |
| tpatil | There are no issues but I don't think that is a good thing to do either | 04:19 |
| samP | rkmrHonjo: no issue with overwriting same value, but why generate unnecessary call | 04:21 |
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| tpatil | samP: on_maintenance and reserved properties of host is updated in a single call | 04:22 |
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| samP | tpatil: correct | 04:22 |
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| rkmrHonjo | tpatil, samP: OK, I agree with your opinion. | 04:23 |
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| rkmrHonjo | I'll tell this decision to Takahara. | 04:24 |
| samP | rkmrHonjo: I also prefer to add comment there, about why we doing this | 04:24 |
| samP | rkmrHonjo: thanks | 04:24 |
| samP | I will add this to gerrit | 04:25 |
| rkmrHonjo | samP: tanks. | 04:25 |
| rkmrHonjo | s/tanks/thanks/g | 04:25 |
| samP | rkmrHonjo: np | 04:25 |
| samP | any other bugs? | 04:25 |
| samP | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/masakari/+bug/1663513 | 04:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1663513 in masakari "Masakari failed to rescue PAUSED instances" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Dinesh Bhor (dinesh-bhor) | 04:26 |
| sagara | no | 04:26 |
| samP | sorry, I missed this todo item.. | 04:26 |
| tpatil | samP: please add your suggestion and Dinesh will take it forward | 04:27 |
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| samP | tpatil: I will definitely do it today | 04:27 |
| tpatil | samP: Thanks | 04:28 |
| samP | if no other bugs, let's jump in to Discussion points | 04:28 |
| samP | #topic Discussion points | 04:28 |
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| samP | About Pike work items: | 04:28 |
| tpatil | Need your approval on BP: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/masakari/+spec/enable-openstack-proposal-bot | 04:28 |
| samP | #link Pike work items https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/masakari-pike-workitems | 04:29 |
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| samP | tpatil: I think I did... | 04:30 |
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| tpatil | samP: I missed that point. I will request Dinesh to upload patches for community review | 04:31 |
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| samP | tpatil: sure, thank you | 04:31 |
| tpatil | Next item: Add devstack plugin for masakari-monitors | 04:31 |
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| tpatil | I will add support in devstack to install masakari_monitors only on the node where nova-compute is configured | 04:32 |
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| samP | tpatil: great.. | 04:32 |
| rkmrHonjo | tpatil: Does it support all-in-one? | 04:33 |
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| samP | tpatil: May assign this task to you? | 04:34 |
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| tpatil | rkmrHonjo: I think it shouldn't matter, masakari-monitor should be run only on the node where nova-compute is running | 04:34 |
| rkmrHonjo | tpatil: OK. | 04:34 |
| tpatil | in other words ,it will be installed on all-in-one as well as multiple nodes | 04:35 |
| tpatil | samP: Dinesh will work on this item | 04:35 |
| samP | tpatil: sure.. | 04:35 |
| samP | tpatil: any other items would you like to bring up? | 04:36 |
| sagara | I would like to confirm who writes spec and blueprint for each Pike items. Is it OK to write bp/spec by whom suggested each items? | 04:36 |
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| sagara | I am seeing https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/masakari-pike-workitems #L15-22 | 04:37 |
| samP | sagara: yes, lest discuss that after this.. | 04:37 |
| samP | sagara: I wrote what I thought there.. | 04:37 |
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| samP | OK, if no other items from tpatil, let's go to bp/spec discussion | 04:38 |
| samP | #topic BP/spec for Pike | 04:38 |
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| samP | #link bp/specs https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/masakari-pike-workitems #L15-22 | 04:38 |
| samP | I wrote some items, which I think need more clarification before go to implementation | 04:39 |
| samP | you may suggest otherwise.. or add items | 04:40 |
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| samP | I just picked up them from priority H items. Priority M and L are not there yet.. | 04:41 |
| samP | I will add them soon.. | 04:41 |
| tpatil | Recovery method customization: What are the things that you are expecting to customize for execution of workflow for each notification type? | 04:42 |
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| samP | tpatil: recovery actions should be customizable | 04:43 |
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| samP | tpatil: IMO, those recovery actions can be selected from pre defined action in masakari. | 04:45 |
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| tpatil | To cater to this requirement, we need to check if taskflow has this support in place | 04:46 |
| samP | tpatil: I think its better to write some sample customization scenario | 04:47 |
| tpatil | This is certainly doable if we use mistral workflow | 04:47 |
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| samP | tpatil: sure.. | 04:47 |
| samP | tpatil: correct, since Mistral Integration is marked as M item, I thought its better not to address it here... | 04:48 |
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| tpatil | if you can list down pre-define actions and possible recovery action customization use cases, I will check if it can be supported by Taskflow | 04:49 |
| samP | tpatil: sure, I will do that. then we can decide whether to use Taskflow or MIstral | 04:50 |
| tpatil | samP: Thanks | 04:50 |
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| samP | #action samP create customization scenarios for recovery actions | 04:51 |
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| samP | And for Force Stonith, I will write the spec | 04:52 |
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| sagara | samP: thanks. please write that. | 04:54 |
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| samP | Could some onw write the spec for Notifying API progress? or do we need spec for this? | 04:55 |
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| samP | cause this feature has already implemented in other projects, might not need detailed spec | 04:55 |
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| tpatil | Honjo: Are you interested to work on this item? if not, I will work on it. | 04:56 |
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| rkmrHonjo | tpatil: I interest about it. | 04:57 |
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| tpatil | rkmrhonjo: sure | 04:57 |
| samP | ok then, I will add rkmrHonjo for this.. | 04:57 |
| rkmrHonjo | samP: thanks. | 04:57 |
| samP | rkmrHonjo: about split-brain, do you have any plans? | 04:58 |
| sagara | samP, rkmrHonjo: Could you tell us any example of Notifying API progress. Is that like glance-client --progress? | 04:58 |
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| rkmrHonjo | sagara: No. It means that sending RPC message when API process is started/completed. | 04:59 |
| samP | we only have, 1 mins left... | 04:59 |
| sagara | rkmrHonjo: thanks. OK, I understood | 04:59 |
| rkmrHonjo | samP: I don't have plan now. I should start to think about it. | 04:59 |
| samP | lets, discuss on openstack-masakari | 04:59 |
| samP | we are out of time.. | 05:00 |
| samP | let finish here and move to openstack-masakari | 05:00 |
| samP | thank you all..... | 05:00 |
| sagara | thank you | 05:00 |
| tpatil | Thank you, Bye | 05:00 |
| samP | #endmeeting | 05:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 28 05:00:57 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 05:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-03-28-04.01.html | 05:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-03-28-04.01.txt | 05:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-03-28-04.01.log.html | 05:01 |
| rkmrHonjo | thank you all | 05:01 |
| samP | thank you all... | 05:01 |
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| eranrom | #startmeeting storlets | 08:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 28 08:00:15 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eranrom. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storlets)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storlets' | 08:00 |
| eranrom | Hi | 08:00 |
| sagara | hi | 08:00 |
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| akihito | Hi! | 08:00 |
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| eranrom | Agenda for today: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Storlets | 08:02 |
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| kota_ | helllo | 08:02 |
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| eranrom | kota_: hi | 08:03 |
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| kota_ | oops, tripled l | 08:03 |
| sagara | kota_: hi | 08:03 |
| eranrom | just posted the agenda | 08:03 |
| kota_ | sorry for late | 08:03 |
| eranrom | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Storlets | 08:03 |
| eranrom | kota_: np. | 08:03 |
| eranrom | #topic Quick updates | 08:03 |
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| kota_ | just concentrate some staff in my review list | 08:03 |
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| eranrom | kota_: sure. | 08:03 |
| eranrom | so there is a new project navigator for Openstack and we are there. | 08:04 |
| eranrom | http://devbranch.openstack.org/software/project-navigator/ | 08:04 |
| eranrom | which I find very cool | 08:04 |
| kota_ | congraturations! | 08:04 |
| eranrom | to us! | 08:05 |
| kota_ | i saw that status :) | 08:05 |
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| eranrom | Otherwise, I assume you have seen it on the mailing list, but on Thursday I will give a web talk on storlets and deep learning | 08:05 |
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| kota_ | tweeted, https://twitter.com/bloodeagle40234/status/846534386782654464 | 08:07 |
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| sagara | I'll confirm Eran's demo details. | 08:07 |
| eranrom | kota_: Thanks! | 08:07 |
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| eranrom | kota_: I guess I should tweet it as well. | 08:09 |
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| kota_ | good way i suppose | 08:09 |
| eranrom | kota_: yep. | 08:09 |
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| eranrom | #topic prioritizing reviews | 08:10 |
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| eranrom | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/storlets-review-priorities | 08:11 |
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| eranrom | Not much as changed. | 08:11 |
| kota_ | looking | 08:11 |
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| kota_ | and the copy fix landed priort to priority high :P | 08:12 |
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| eranrom | I added one that is important for me, and which greatly simplifies agent side development (it's number 5 on the high) | 08:12 |
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| eranrom | kota_: well it was superhigh | 08:12 |
| eranrom | I also needed that for my demo on Thursdaty | 08:12 |
| kota_ | eranrom: gotcha | 08:13 |
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| eranrom | also I guess that from your perspective it was higher :-) | 08:14 |
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| kota_ | thx | 08:17 |
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| eranrom | anything else on reviews? | 08:17 |
| kota_ | for now, nothing from me | 08:17 |
| kota_ | ah | 08:17 |
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| kota_ | I'd like to know the status on your ipython get | 08:18 |
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| kota_ | today, I tried to look at it but you set your -2 on that | 08:18 |
| kota_ | what is going on? | 08:18 |
| eranrom | right, there was a bug I discovered while working on the demo. | 08:18 |
| kota_ | maybe I'd like to raise the priority up (because I want to make a custormer demo with that ;-)) | 08:19 |
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| eranrom | ok, I think I can fix that tomorrow. | 08:19 |
| kota_ | thx! | 08:19 |
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| eranrom | np | 08:19 |
| eranrom | If there is nothing else, we can go to the next topic. | 08:20 |
| kota_ | sure | 08:20 |
| eranrom | #topic Continue design discussions(?) | 08:20 |
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| eranrom | sagara: akihito: do you want to discuss anything? | 08:21 |
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| sagara | eranrom: thanks for reviewing my resource management idea, 2 week ago. | 08:21 |
| sagara | I could not move it forward in this week. but I think it needs to write blueprints about that. | 08:21 |
| sagara | it's all of my update. | 08:22 |
| eranrom | sagara: sure, thanks for the update | 08:22 |
| sagara | do I need to write spec? not only BP. | 08:23 |
| kota_ | eranrom: I reviewed sagara's idea locally and it looks cool, that is what we want | 08:24 |
| kota_ | i support it | 08:24 |
| eranrom | sagara: we do not have any strict rules here. | 08:24 |
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| * kota_ still need experience with docker container though | 08:24 | |
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| eranrom | sagara: whatever works for you. Personally I like to work with the wiki, and place stuff there. | 08:25 |
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| eranrom | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Storlets | 08:25 |
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| eranrom | sagara: but of you prefer BP that is fine. | 08:26 |
| eranrom | s/of/if | 08:26 |
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| sagara | I haven't know Storlet/Swift way, so I'll write it to wiki as same as Eran. | 08:27 |
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| eranrom | sagara: I think (not sure) this is also the way Swift works with feature planning. | 08:29 |
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| sagara | OK, thanks. I have learned Swift way. | 08:30 |
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| eranrom | ok, anything else for today? | 08:30 |
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| sagara | nothing | 08:31 |
| akihito | sorry. I have no updates.. | 08:31 |
| kota_ | that's all | 08:31 |
| akihito | I will fix following codes. <<https://review.openstack.org/#/c/406620/>> and <<https://review.openstack.org/#/c/436263/>> | 08:31 |
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| eranrom | akihito: great, thanks! | 08:32 |
| eranrom | ok, so thanks for joining. | 08:32 |
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| eranrom | Talk to you later | 08:32 |
| eranrom | #endmeeting | 08:32 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 28 08:32:55 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storlets/2017/storlets.2017-03-28-08.00.html | 08:32 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storlets/2017/storlets.2017-03-28-08.00.txt | 08:33 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storlets/2017/storlets.2017-03-28-08.00.log.html | 08:33 |
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| sagara | thanks, bye | 08:33 |
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| yuval | #startmeeting karbor | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 28 09:00:12 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yuval. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: karbor)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'karbor' | 09:00 |
| yuval | Hello, and welcome to Karbor's weekly meeting! | 09:00 |
| chenhuayi_ | hi | 09:00 |
| yuval | \ (•◡•) / | 09:00 |
| yuval | waiting a couple of minutes for more people to arrive | 09:01 |
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| zhonghua2 | hi | 09:02 |
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| edisonxiang | hello | 09:02 |
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| yuval | #info chenhuay, zhonghua, xiang in meeting | 09:03 |
| yuval | lets begin | 09:03 |
| zhongjun_ | hi | 09:03 |
| yuval | I guess chenying and zhangshuai are busy | 09:03 |
| yuval | #info zhongjun in meeting | 09:03 |
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| yuval | #topic Task assignments | 09:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Task assignments (Meeting topic: karbor)" | 09:03 | |
| chenying__ | hi | 09:04 |
| yuval | #link https://ethercalc.openstack.org/karbor-pike | 09:04 |
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| yuval | we have assignees for most high priority tasks | 09:04 |
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| yuval | please take a look and see if you can take something from high/med priority on yourselves | 09:04 |
| yuval | also, change only assignee part of the doc | 09:05 |
| chenying__ | 'Deployment Guide zhangshuai has worked on this task. | 09:05 |
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| zhonghua2 | yuval, can everyone change the documents? | 09:05 |
| yuval | zhonghua2: yes, but please only change assignee, not priority or tasks | 09:06 |
| zhonghua2 | yuval, ok, +1 | 09:07 |
| yuval | In this part of the cycle, we should work mainly on specs and reach concensus | 09:07 |
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| yuval | #topic Open Discussion | 09:08 |
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| zengchen | yuval:got it | 09:08 |
| yuval | Nothing on the agenda right now, if you have anything you want to talk about - now is the time | 09:08 |
| chenhuayi_ | yuval, network plugin waiting to be reviewd. | 09:08 |
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| chenhuayi_ | it holds for more than one week. | 09:09 |
| yuval | chenhuayi_: thanks for the notice | 09:09 |
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| yuval | everybody, please take a look at chenhuayi's patches about the network plugin | 09:09 |
| yuval | chenhuayi_: I hope I'll be able to get to it later this week or next week | 09:10 |
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| chenhuayi_ | yuval, thanks. | 09:10 |
| yuval | chenhuayi_: are you working on something else in the meantime? | 09:10 |
| chenhuayi_ | yeah, start to work on S3. | 09:10 |
| yuval | chenhuayi_: that's low priority for pike | 09:11 |
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| chenhuayi_ | we will surport S3 and OBS(huawei) | 09:12 |
| chenhuayi_ | so I start with S3. | 09:12 |
| yuval | chenhuayi_: we could use some help on high/med items, both in code and reviews | 09:12 |
| chenying__ | yuval about the task Trove Protection/Protectable Plugin | 09:12 |
| chenying__ | 09:12 | |
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| chenhuayi_ | yuval, which job may i start? | 09:13 |
| chenying__ | yuval I don't think is in low priority for pike. Last time you said we will not integrate with freezer now. Trove plugin will be the only way to protect database like mysql. | 09:13 |
| yuval | chenhuayi_: reviewing specs, writing docs guides, OpenStack Ansible, python 3.5 or WSGI goals | 09:15 |
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| yuval | chenying__: freezer is low priority as well | 09:15 |
| yuval | chenying__: low priority = we will do it, once we finish the rest | 09:15 |
| chenying__ | yuval That may be the question: we don't have a solution to protect database mysql. | 09:15 |
| yuval | chenying__: low priority != we will not do it | 09:15 |
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| chenying__ | yuval OK I know. | 09:16 |
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| yuval | chenying__: trove is completely different than freezer on that | 09:16 |
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| chenying__ | yuval: Of course, I know it. | 09:17 |
| chenying__ | yuval freezer is backup tool with agent. Trove is a database a service project. | 09:17 |
| chenying__ | database as a service project | 09:17 |
| yuval | chenying__: from my point of view, both are important to karbor, but we have more important tasks until the end of pike | 09:18 |
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| yuval | chenying__: what do you think? | 09:18 |
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| chenying__ | yuval OK I will focus this task later. | 09:20 |
| yuval | chenying__: great | 09:20 |
| yuval | anything else? | 09:20 |
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| chenhuayi_ | yuval, i can work on the ansible. | 09:20 |
| yuval | chenhuayi_: great! :) | 09:21 |
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| yuval | thank you all for attending | 09:23 |
| yuval | #endmeeting | 09:24 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 28 09:24:04 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:24 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/karbor/2017/karbor.2017-03-28-09.00.html | 09:24 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/karbor/2017/karbor.2017-03-28-09.00.txt | 09:24 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/karbor/2017/karbor.2017-03-28-09.00.log.html | 09:24 |
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| Qiming | #startmeeting senlin | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 28 13:00:52 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Qiming. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'senlin' | 13:00 |
| Qiming | evening | 13:00 |
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| yanyanhu | hi | 13:01 |
| Qiming | hi, yanyan | 13:01 |
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| yanyanhu | evening : ) | 13:02 |
| Qiming | evening, Ruijie_ | 13:02 |
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| Ruijie_ | hi Qiming | 13:02 |
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| Ruijie_ | hi yanyanhu | 13:02 |
| Qiming | ethan texted me that he will join a bit later | 13:02 |
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| yanyanhu | hi, Ruijie_ :) | 13:03 |
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| Qiming | let's get started | 13:03 |
| yanyanhu | ok | 13:03 |
| Qiming | #topic pike work items | 13:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "pike work items (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:04 | |
| Qiming | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/senlin-pike-workitems | 13:04 |
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| Qiming | not sure we have progress in API | 13:04 |
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| Qiming | Ethan is not here to give us an update on feature rich server | 13:05 |
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| Qiming | Engine improvement, CLUSTER_CHECK is still there for review | 13:06 |
| Qiming | Node adopt | 13:06 |
| Qiming | I'm still working on it | 13:06 |
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| Qiming | got some problems when implementing this at profile base layer | 13:07 |
| yanyanhu | https://review.openstack.org/446867 | 13:07 |
| yanyanhu | this one | 13:07 |
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| Qiming | right, that one is about adopting a heat stack | 13:07 |
| Qiming | a more trick thing is about doing this at profile base class | 13:08 |
| Qiming | we will need a profile object to invoke do_adopt() method | 13:08 |
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| Qiming | we can use a fake node object for this method to work | 13:08 |
| Qiming | however, we still need a profile instance in order to invoke its do_adopt() | 13:09 |
| yanyanhu | can we define do_adopt as class method? | 13:09 |
| Qiming | when we create a profile object, we need a spec | 13:09 |
| Qiming | a class method cannot be used to hole the _computeclient ... properties | 13:09 |
| yanyanhu | oh, right | 13:09 |
| Qiming | or we can just do a class method, but we don't use the _computeclient ... instance property | 13:10 |
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| Qiming | still trying to find a decent workaround | 13:10 |
| yanyanhu | a little tricky here... | 13:11 |
| Qiming | I hope we can work this out without introducing messy workarounds | 13:12 |
| yanyanhu | understand | 13:12 |
| Qiming | next thing is about scaling improvement | 13:12 |
| Qiming | Ruijie_, do you have an update? | 13:12 |
| Ruijie_ | yes Qiming, filed a bp | 13:12 |
| Qiming | oh, ... I didn't notice it | 13:13 |
| Ruijie_ | had a plan, can we add the parameter to scaling_policy ? | 13:13 |
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| Ruijie_ | I'd plan to add one parameter to scaling_policy and request obj to support health_check | 13:13 |
| Qiming | I think so | 13:14 |
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| Qiming | it is something optional | 13:14 |
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| Ruijie_ | so we need to bump the version of scaling policy | 13:14 |
| Qiming | yes | 13:14 |
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| Ruijie_ | okay Qiming, will start this work soon. | 13:15 |
| Qiming | it means a property that is only supported by a new version | 13:15 |
| Qiming | thanks | 13:15 |
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| Ruijie_ | np :) | 13:15 |
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| Qiming | We don't have xuefeng online today? | 13:15 |
| Ruijie_ | he said on wechat | 13:16 |
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| Qiming | so, we can skip rdo item | 13:16 |
| Qiming | no update on health | 13:16 |
| Qiming | policy one | 13:17 |
| Qiming | just reviewed | 13:17 |
| Qiming | it looks fine to me | 13:17 |
| Ruijie_ | thx Qiming. | 13:18 |
| Ruijie_ | may need to revise this part when doing health check | 13:18 |
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| Qiming | that's all for the etherpad | 13:18 |
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| Qiming | #topic summit prep | 13:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "summit prep (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:18 | |
| Qiming | have any of you confirmed your presence at the summit? | 13:19 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, will you join it? | 13:19 |
| Qiming | yes, I will | 13:19 |
| yanyanhu | great | 13:19 |
| Ruijie_ | may not be able to boston :( | 13:20 |
| yanyanhu | I guess xinhui and ethan will join the summit as well? | 13:20 |
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| Qiming | I believe xinhui is going and maybe also xuefeng | 13:20 |
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| yanyanhu | ok, so you do have several presentations need to cover | 13:21 |
| Qiming | I'm a little worried about the mistral integration talk, since they haven't shown up for quite a few weeks | 13:21 |
| yanyanhu | ... | 13:21 |
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| yanyanhu | has xinhui communicated with them about the detail? | 13:21 |
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| yanyanhu | like content preparation and presentation arrangement | 13:21 |
| Qiming | not sure | 13:22 |
| Qiming | she looks very very busy | 13:22 |
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| yanyanhu | ok, hope to have a meet after qingming festival | 13:22 |
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| Qiming | we don't have a lot time to prep | 13:22 |
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| Qiming | very curious about the mistral support | 13:23 |
| yanyanhu | yes | 13:23 |
| yanyanhu | only a month | 13:23 |
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| Qiming | ethan mentioned that their VNF case is in pretty good shape | 13:23 |
| Qiming | that is really good news | 13:23 |
| yanyanhu | good to hear that | 13:23 |
| Qiming | #topic open discussions | 13:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussions (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:23 | |
| Qiming | anything else you want to add? | 13:24 |
| yanyanhu | nope from me | 13:24 |
| Ruijie_ | em Qiming, I met a problem about the lock | 13:24 |
| Qiming | yes? | 13:24 |
| Ruijie_ | Cluster is already locked by action [u'b112a879-41ac-4581-97e1-a0d1e27c2cf1'], action e61586b8-8c0f-4b46-9eb8-e9c0673b9cf0 failed grabbing the lock | 13:24 |
| Ruijie_ | this cluster had been locked for days :) | 13:24 |
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| Ruijie_ | engine will not clear the dead lock? | 13:25 |
| Qiming | it cannot | 13:25 |
| Qiming | unless the engine is dead | 13:25 |
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| Qiming | seems like a bug of action | 13:25 |
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| Qiming | what's the status of the b112 action? | 13:25 |
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| Ruijie_ | let me check it | 13:26 |
| Ruijie_ | its cluster_scale_in | 13:26 |
| Ruijie_ | and the status reason is 'Action execution failed' | 13:26 |
| Ruijie_ | is is possible that we provide API or anything to clear the dead lock | 13:27 |
| Qiming | em, ... not sure why that would happen | 13:27 |
| Qiming | if you have an idea, feel free to propose it | 13:27 |
| Ruijie_ | okay Qiming, will lock forward to it :) | 13:28 |
| Qiming | the thing is that we have to make sure the db is consistent | 13:28 |
| Qiming | looks to me like a bug | 13:28 |
| Qiming | it would be helpful if you can help reproduce it | 13:29 |
| Ruijie_ | sure Qiming | 13:29 |
| Qiming | anything else? | 13:29 |
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| Ruijie_ | no from me :) | 13:29 |
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| Qiming | alright | 13:29 |
| Qiming | elynn, evening | 13:30 |
| Qiming | we are about to end the meeting, :D | 13:30 |
| elynn | o/ | 13:30 |
| elynn | .... | 13:30 |
| yanyanhu | haha | 13:30 |
| elynn | okay... | 13:30 |
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| Qiming | you can check the meeting minutes | 13:30 |
| Qiming | it is short | 13:30 |
| Qiming | do you have anything to share? | 13:30 |
| elynn | I will~ | 13:30 |
| elynn | No... | 13:31 |
| Qiming | thank you for joining, :) | 13:31 |
| yanyanhu | :P | 13:31 |
| Qiming | we can release the channel early today | 13:31 |
| yanyanhu | yea, looks so | 13:31 |
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| Qiming | #endmeeting | 13:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 28 13:31:59 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2017/senlin.2017-03-28-13.00.html | 13:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2017/senlin.2017-03-28-13.00.txt | 13:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2017/senlin.2017-03-28-13.00.log.html | 13:32 |
| yanyanhu | have a good night, everyone | 13:32 |
| Ruijie_ | good night | 13:32 |
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| jlibosva | #startmeeting networking | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 28 14:00:00 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jlibosva. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| dasm | o/ | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 14:00 |
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| jlibosva | Hello everybody | 14:00 |
| john-davidge | hi | 14:00 |
| rossella_s | hi | 14:00 |
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| boden | howdy | 14:00 |
| electrocucaracha | o/ | 14:00 |
| jlibosva | #topic Announcements | 14:00 |
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| dalvarez | o/ | 14:00 |
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| dasm | 14:00:00 jlibosva | #startmeeting networking | 14:01 |
| dasm | jlibosva: i envy your punctuality :) | 14:01 |
| jlibosva | I don't remember this being announced anywhere - so native ovsdb interface has been pulled from Neutron and has its own repo now | 14:01 |
| hichihara | hi | 14:01 |
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| jlibosva | dasm: :D I actually see it 59:59 :) | 14:01 |
| boden | yay | 14:01 |
| jlibosva | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/ovsdbapp | 14:01 |
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| reedip | o/ | 14:01 |
| jlibosva | Neutron still uses in-tree code for interface but there is already a WIP: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438087/ | 14:01 |
| haleyb | hi | 14:01 |
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| annp_ | hi | 14:02 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva: what was the plan? do we switch right away or let it bake? | 14:02 |
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| bcafarel | hi | 14:02 |
| jlibosva | ihrachys: I think the plan is to switch during pike, maybe pike-1. Don't remember. I should be able to find it in PTG summaries | 14:02 |
| ihrachys | pike1 would be great, though it's around the corner | 14:03 |
| jlibosva | 3 weeks? | 14:03 |
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| ihrachys | yeah, around that time. | 14:03 |
| dasm | Apr 10 - Apr 14 == Pike1 | 14:03 |
| ihrachys | so 2 weeks | 14:03 |
| hichihara | This is neutron stadium, right? | 14:03 |
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| jlibosva | I think it would make sense to switch early as currently we need to maintain 'almost' same thing in two places | 14:04 |
| ihrachys | otherwiseguy: are there obstacles to get the patch not WIP? | 14:04 |
| dasm | hichihara: yes, it is | 14:04 |
| jlibosva | hichihara: yes | 14:04 |
| jlibosva | ihrachys: I don't think he's online :) | 14:04 |
| andreas_s | hi | 14:04 |
| hichihara | I see | 14:04 |
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| ihrachys | ok nevermind | 14:04 |
| jlibosva | #action jlibosva to sync with otherwiseguy on the plan of ovsdbapp switch | 14:04 |
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| jlibosva | This has been announced last week but for those who missed it: post mortem Ocata got merged: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425990/ | 14:05 |
| jlibosva | Boston summit Forum sessions should be announced on April 10, deadline for proposals is April 2. | 14:06 |
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| jlibosva | Anything else to announce? | 14:07 |
| ihrachys | what's the fate of Monday meeting? I saw revert from armax: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448886/ but it never got merged. | 14:07 |
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| jlibosva | ihrachys: IIRC last week it was agreed to move monday | 14:07 |
| dasm | ihrachys: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/114527.html | 14:07 |
| dasm | > Proposed revert in [1] to give time and opportunity to comment on whether | 14:08 |
| dasm | the new time works for the majority of folks. | 14:08 |
| dasm | but i didn't see any follow-up to this | 14:08 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva: and then armax said it was not properly discussed and proposed revert | 14:08 |
| ihrachys | that's a bit of a mess :) | 14:08 |
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| jlibosva | so maybe the revert patch would be the best place to discuss | 14:10 |
| jlibosva | as I think lot of ppl who attend monday are not here | 14:10 |
| john-davidge | the new earlier times are definitely better for me personally | 14:10 |
| jlibosva | I can't attend neither so I deffer :) | 14:11 |
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| john-davidge | will look out for objections from others | 14:11 |
| hichihara | maybe new time will affect East-Asia ;) | 14:11 |
| ihrachys | I don't think we will resolve it here, just wanted folks to be aware | 14:12 |
| jlibosva | good | 14:12 |
| hichihara | I agree | 14:12 |
| jlibosva | if there is nothing else to announce we shall move on | 14:12 |
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| jlibosva | #topic Blueprints | 14:12 |
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| jlibosva | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/pike-1 | 14:12 |
| reedip | it does :) | 14:12 |
| jlibosva | So as mentioned, we're 2 weeks from p1 | 14:13 |
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| jlibosva | Does anybody has anything to raise here regarding to work on a blueprint? | 14:14 |
| jlibosva | any blockers or anything? | 14:14 |
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| jlibosva | seems everything goes smooth then | 14:15 |
| john-davidge | Any movement on approval of https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1667329 ? | 14:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1667329 in neutron "[RFE] Floating IP Subnets on Routed Provider Networks" [Undecided,Triaged] | 14:15 |
| john-davidge | I was away last week | 14:15 |
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| ihrachys | john-davidge: that's a question to drivers team, but as you can see, there is nothing in LP, which means there was no discussion | 14:16 |
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| ihrachys | the prev drivers meeting was cancelled I believe because of the meeting shift mess | 14:16 |
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| jlibosva | and I can't find it mentioned in drivers meeting logs | 14:16 |
| john-davidge | ihrachys: Ok, hopefully the new drivers meeting time will stick so I can finally attend :) | 14:17 |
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| ihrachys | people are advised to comment in the bug if they have thoughts, and ofc join the next drivers meeting. | 14:17 |
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| jlibosva | maybe there could be a section in driver's meeting wiki to put a note/question when someone can't attend the meeting due to TZ | 14:18 |
| reedip | jlibosva : +1 | 14:18 |
| ihrachys | LP is the place where we track all info related to RFE bugs | 14:19 |
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| jlibosva | ihrachys: so if someone writes "Any news?" to LP, it'll get attention? | 14:20 |
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| ihrachys | no, RFEs get attention in order | 14:21 |
| ihrachys | ofc you can vouch for special attention for specific bug, but that will need some personal communication :) | 14:21 |
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| jlibosva | alright | 14:23 |
| jlibosva | let's move on | 14:23 |
| jlibosva | #topic Bugs and gate failures | 14:23 |
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| ihrachys | I was the deputy this week | 14:24 |
| jlibosva | I see a spike in all jobs that happened yesterday. Given that it's in all jobs I assume some infra issue. I haven't seen any email nor bug report though. | 14:24 |
| jlibosva | ok, let's do the deputy first | 14:24 |
| ihrachys | ok | 14:24 |
| ihrachys | nothing major happened, business as usual | 14:24 |
| ihrachys | I marked some bugs as needs-attention where I saw fit | 14:25 |
| ihrachys | also cleaned up old needs-attention tagged bugs | 14:25 |
| ihrachys | the resulting list is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=needs-attention | 14:25 |
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| ihrachys | most of those still probably need some discussion, f.e. in https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1585907 it's not clear the intended behaviour of availability API | 14:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1585907 in neutron "'used_ips' field of 'net-ip-availability-list' command increased by 1 when subnet added into router,In fact, Before subnet added into the router ,'total_ips' of network does not contain 'gateway_ip'." [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to QunyingRan (ran-qunying) | 14:26 |
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| ihrachys | others, like https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1674889, affect other projects (this one is OVN) and will probably need champions from those communities | 14:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1674889 in neutron "Fix get_schema_helper bug in some case" [Undecided,Incomplete] - Assigned to Dong Jun (dongj) | 14:26 |
| ihrachys | I don't think there is a huge reason to go through each of them; instead I will ask folks to eyeball the list and contribute to discussions where due | 14:26 |
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| ihrachys | <EOM> | 14:27 |
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| jlibosva | ihrachys: good, thanks for report | 14:28 |
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| jlibosva | as per gate failure I mentioned earlier - does anybody have any information of what happened? was that an infra issue? | 14:29 |
| jlibosva | the curve went down, so we're good by now | 14:29 |
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| ihrachys | no idea, I probably missed it while sleeping ;) | 14:30 |
| jlibosva | :) | 14:30 |
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| jlibosva | alright, we have a special price here which is a bug deputy role for this week | 14:30 |
| jlibosva | any volunteers? | 14:30 |
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| haleyb | i can volunteer, haven't done it for a bit | 14:31 |
| ihrachys | \o/ \o/ go go haleyb go go \o/ \o/ | 14:32 |
| jlibosva | haleyb: yay! thanks | 14:32 |
| jlibosva | haleyb: now I feel like my car-selling skills improved too :) | 14:32 |
| jlibosva | #info haleyb is a bug deputy for week of Mar 27 | 14:32 |
| haleyb | i'll buy the car too :) | 14:33 |
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| ihrachys | jlibosva: see? he hasn't even asked the price | 14:33 |
| amotoki | I can be bug dupty next week | 14:33 |
| reedip | congrats on the new car haleyb | 14:33 |
| reedip | :) | 14:33 |
| jlibosva | ihrachys: the price was the role | 14:33 |
| * haleyb assumes it's an older ferarri | 14:33 | |
| jlibosva | amotoki: thanks! | 14:33 |
| john-davidge | haleyb: Congrats! Now follow me to the finance department... | 14:33 |
| dalvarez | lol | 14:33 |
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| jlibosva | #info amotoki is a bug deputy for a week of Apr 3 | 14:34 |
| ihrachys | that was gold john-davidge | 14:34 |
| john-davidge | ihrachys: So are our interest rates! 1lb of gold per day. | 14:34 |
| jlibosva | if there is nothing else to discuss beside haleyb | 14:36 |
| jlibosva | 's car | 14:36 |
| jlibosva | we can jump to docs | 14:36 |
| jlibosva | #topic Docs | 14:36 |
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| jlibosva | john-davidge: yo | 14:36 |
| john-davidge | jlibosva: yo yo | 14:36 |
| john-davidge | jlibosva: Nothing significant from me actually, just returned from a week of PTO | 14:36 |
| jlibosva | oh, so I hope you had a good time :) | 14:37 |
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| john-davidge | jlibosva: I notice lots of OSC conversion patches for review thought, so thanks all for those | 14:37 |
| john-davidge | jlibosva: Thank you, I did :) | 14:37 |
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| jlibosva | john-davidge: so we can move on, right? | 14:37 |
| john-davidge | jlibosva: Yes, go ahead | 14:37 |
| jlibosva | #topic Transition to OSC | 14:37 |
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| jlibosva | amotoki: hi, do you have anything? | 14:37 |
| amotoki | nothing to report. the progress is steady | 14:38 |
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| jlibosva | amotoki: cool, thanks | 14:38 |
| jlibosva | that's fast today :D | 14:38 |
| jlibosva | #topic Neutron-lib | 14:38 |
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| jlibosva | boden: hi :) | 14:39 |
| boden | hi | 14:39 |
| jlibosva | boden: any updates to neutron-lib | 14:39 |
| jlibosva | ? | 14:39 |
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| boden | we are still working through the rehoming patches for neutron core API resources and api attributes that I mentioned last week | 14:40 |
| boden | hopefully we can have those in better shape by next week | 14:40 |
| ihrachys | boden: do we plan a release in next days? because I really want one to move forward with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448671/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446730/ (that will allow to kill translation markers in trees) | 14:40 |
| ihrachys | I need a release with 1st included (it's already merged) to proceed with cleanup | 14:40 |
| ihrachys | and then we will be able to land the 2nd and fix periodic jobs and finally release another one with no-log-translation enforced | 14:41 |
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| boden | ihrachys: it’ll be more than a few days for the patches I mentioned I think, but I don’t have any objections to a release in the meatime | 14:41 |
| boden | obviously we need to make sure the periodic jobs are green, etc.. | 14:42 |
| ihrachys | sure | 14:42 |
| ihrachys | dasm: could you follow up on it? or should I post request myself? | 14:42 |
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| dasm | ihrachys: i'll prepare a release | 14:42 |
| ihrachys | tnx! | 14:42 |
| boden | also | 14:43 |
| boden | there are a few patches in neutron that consume lib updates that could use review | 14:43 |
| dasm | boden: ihrachys fyi, currently there are 3 jobs failing. i'll look into that and will report back to you | 14:43 |
| jlibosva | boden: do you have links handy? | 14:43 |
| boden | dasm: ack | 14:43 |
| boden | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+message:%22NeutronLibImpact%22+project:openstack/neutron | 14:44 |
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| jlibosva | boden: thanks! | 14:44 |
| boden | the patches to use portbindings and providernet API defs from lib have been out there for awhile | 14:44 |
| boden | please have a looksee if you get a few min :) | 14:44 |
| ihrachys | will do | 14:44 |
| hichihara | boden: Why do some patches have branch name "bp/neutron-lib-networking-ovn"? | 14:45 |
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| boden | hichihara: technically they are part of that effort | 14:45 |
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| boden | rehoming dependencies ovn has on neutron | 14:45 |
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| hichihara | boden: I got it | 14:45 |
| boden | I was trying to track the related patches in the BP, but if that’s just confusing it doesn’t matter to me | 14:45 |
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| boden | If it gets confusing using that topic, just let me know and I’ll stop | 14:46 |
| jlibosva | boden: thanks for updates, I hope more cores will jump on the api-def patches | 14:46 |
| boden | I don’t have much else to add, unless others do | 14:47 |
| jlibosva | anything else neutron-lib related? | 14:47 |
| jlibosva | ok | 14:47 |
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| mlavalle | boden: the topic is useful. keep it up | 14:47 |
| jlibosva | let's move on | 14:47 |
| jlibosva | #Disable IPv6 forwarding on backup HA routers | 14:47 |
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| jlibosva | the stage is yours dalvarez :) | 14:47 |
| dalvarez | jlibosva, thanks! | 14:47 |
| hichihara | boden: Don't mind my question | 14:47 |
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| dasm | jlibosva: topic change? | 14:47 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva: topic missing | 14:47 |
| jlibosva | whoops | 14:47 |
| jlibosva | dasm: ihrachys thanks :) | 14:47 |
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| jlibosva | #topic Disable IPv6 forwarding on backup HA routers | 14:48 |
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| dalvarez | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/442518/ | 14:48 |
| jlibosva | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/442518/ | 14:48 |
| ihrachys | is it just a request for review? | 14:48 |
| dalvarez | i wanted to bring this up in order to move the patch forward | 14:48 |
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| ihrachys | oh ok. you could probably just ping some of us in irc and get the same. :) | 14:49 |
| haleyb | dalvarez: do you want to mention the issue you saw yesterday wrt /proc entry, etc | 14:49 |
| jlibosva | should we aim the bug to p1 then? | 14:49 |
| dalvarez | oh i was about to elaborate a bit further, but essentialy | 14:49 |
| dalvarez | what I want to bring up is that if we go ahead with this bug we'll make us dependent on the l3 agent for IPv6 failover | 14:50 |
| dalvarez | haleyb, i actually found out that this is a bug on 3.10 kernels so procfs entry should still be there | 14:50 |
| dalvarez | ihrachys, yeah thanks i have done it but it doesn't seem to get traction... I just wanted to know what you guys think about making us dependent on the l3-agent running for Ipv6 failover | 14:50 |
| ihrachys | dalvarez: oh you mean that data plane correctness will depend on l3 agent disabling forwarding on failover? | 14:51 |
| dalvarez | ihrachys, that's it | 14:51 |
| dalvarez | ihrachys, and actually re-enabling it when an instance transitions from backup to master | 14:51 |
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| ihrachys | we already have some bits in the agent that work in sync with keepalived | 14:53 |
| ihrachys | f.e. we send gARPs for it | 14:53 |
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| dalvarez | but the thing is that I can't think of any other solutions since, right now, ipv6 forwarding is enabled by default on namespaces and that makes it joining different multicast groups and thus responding to queries coming from the outside | 14:53 |
| ihrachys | here https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/agent/l3/keepalived_state_change.py#L87 | 14:53 |
| ihrachys | it would be either keepalived doing it, or smth on top | 14:53 |
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| ihrachys | if keepalived doesn't, I don't see an alternative | 14:54 |
| dalvarez | ihrachys, ack so you think it's not a big issue to depend on l3 agent running, right? | 14:54 |
| dalvarez | ack | 14:54 |
| haleyb | i think it's the kernel joining the mcast groups, right? | 14:54 |
| dalvarez | haleyb, correct. that happens automatically when ipv6 forwarding is enabled | 14:54 |
| dalvarez | and those are left when disabled | 14:54 |
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| ihrachys | dalvarez: I don't see a big difference architecturally between l3 agent doing it or a daemon under its control | 14:54 |
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| dalvarez | ihrachys, the daemon is monitorized by the agent | 14:55 |
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| ihrachys | the only issue I see is additional complexity in the agent, and the fact that it may not react to failover as quick as keepalived could | 14:55 |
| ihrachys | but that sounds like keepalived bug/missing feature we try to work around | 14:56 |
| ihrachys | which is not news for the implementation :) [see the garp] | 14:56 |
| haleyb | dalvarez: keepalived is moving the LLA, right? | 14:56 |
| dalvarez | haleyb, it is | 14:56 |
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| haleyb | then maybe when it moves, forwarding moves? | 14:56 |
| dalvarez | ihrachys, yes... i think the reaction time is not a big deal here since those changes shouldn't occur too often and the only drawback may be disrupting the traffic until l3 agent reacts | 14:56 |
| haleyb | btw, if we run out of time can move to other channel, or continue in L3 meeting thursday | 14:57 |
| dalvarez | haleyb, that's something that keepalived doesn't do I guess | 14:57 |
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| dalvarez | haleyb, yes! | 14:57 |
| dalvarez | ihrachys, haleyb thanks a lot guys :) | 14:57 |
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| jlibosva | good | 14:57 |
| dalvarez | i think we're good to go if we aim for p1 with this bug | 14:57 |
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| jlibosva | we're almost out of time | 14:57 |
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| jlibosva | is there any other quick thing to discuss? | 14:57 |
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| jlibosva | or we could get 2 minutes back | 14:58 |
| ihrachys | just a shout out for jlibosva chairing those meetings for us. kudos! | 14:58 |
| dalvarez | \o/ | 14:58 |
| jlibosva | lol | 14:58 |
| dalvarez | jlibosva, brought some beers? | 14:58 |
| jlibosva | ihrachys: and you're always here anyway :D | 14:58 |
| jlibosva | which is good! | 14:58 |
| ihrachys | that was part of the plan of deceit | 14:58 |
| mlavalle | jlibosva: yeah, thanks for chairing this meeting | 14:58 |
| jlibosva | :) | 14:58 |
| jlibosva | ok, thanks all for showing up | 14:59 |
| jlibosva | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 28 14:59:15 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2017/networking.2017-03-28-14.00.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2017/networking.2017-03-28-14.00.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2017/networking.2017-03-28-14.00.log.html | 14:59 |
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| ralonsoh | #startmeeting neutron_qos | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 28 15:00:02 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ralonsoh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_qos)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_qos' | 15:00 |
| ralonsoh | Hello! | 15:00 |
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| davidsha | hi | 15:01 |
| ralonsoh | hi davidsha | 15:01 |
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| reedip | tuesday is the Networking Day ! | 15:02 |
| ralonsoh | you are right! | 15:02 |
| ralonsoh | ok, let's start | 15:02 |
| ralonsoh | I hope ajo and slaweq join us ASAP | 15:02 |
| ralonsoh | and mlavalle | 15:02 |
| ralonsoh | #topic RFEs | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RFEs (Meeting topic: neutron_qos)" | 15:03 | |
| mlavalle | o/ | 15:03 |
| ralonsoh | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1505627 | 15:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1505627 in neutron "[RFE] QoS Explicit Congestion Notification (ECN) Support" [Wishlist,New] - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee) | 15:03 |
| ralonsoh | Hi mlavalle | 15:03 |
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| ralonsoh | reedip, I know | 15:03 |
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| ralonsoh | we need to review the spec | 15:03 |
| ralonsoh | my bad: I didn't have time last week | 15:03 |
| ralonsoh | I'll review this spec tomorrow morning | 15:04 |
| reedip | ralonsoh : no updates on this. Yeah awaiting your review but also trying to get the working Env up for yamamoto's comments | 15:04 |
| reedip | thanks ralonsoh | 15:04 |
| ralonsoh | how do you write a todo for someone? | 15:04 |
| reedip | #action | 15:04 |
| ralonsoh | yes | 15:04 |
| davidsha | /action | 15:04 |
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| * ralonsoh ralonsoh to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445762/ | 15:05 | |
| reedip | #action ralonsoh will review https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1505627 | 15:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1505627 in neutron "[RFE] QoS Explicit Congestion Notification (ECN) Support" [Wishlist,New] - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee) | 15:05 |
| ralonsoh | next one | 15:05 |
| reedip | like this ... I am not the chair so my action wont work | 15:05 |
| ralonsoh | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1634798 | 15:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1634798 in neutron "[RFE] Qos DSCP to vlan priority mapping" [Wishlist,Incomplete] | 15:05 |
| ralonsoh | now is in incomplete status | 15:06 |
| ralonsoh | no feedback from the submitter | 15:06 |
| ralonsoh | I'll remove this one from the list until we have something | 15:06 |
| ralonsoh | next one | 15:06 |
| ralonsoh | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1657089 | 15:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1657089 in neutron "[RFE]Add bandwidth_limit to vip" [Undecided,New] | 15:06 |
| ralonsoh | My question here is: should we move this one to Octavia?? | 15:07 |
| ralonsoh | I'll ask this in the bug | 15:07 |
| davidsha | Would this not be something for lbaas repo? | 15:07 |
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| ralonsoh | yes, that's the point | 15:08 |
| reedip | ralonsoh : hi | 15:08 |
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| reedip | zhaobo and I am working on a spec for this :D | 15:08 |
| ralonsoh | reedip: ok | 15:08 |
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| davidsha | kk, is there a link? | 15:08 |
| reedip | wait, lemme find the link | 15:08 |
| ralonsoh | but shouldn't be in lbaas? | 15:08 |
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| reedip | the affected project would be octavia | 15:09 |
| ralonsoh | so please change the project | 15:09 |
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| ralonsoh | do you have the link? | 15:10 |
| ralonsoh | You can add it to the bug | 15:10 |
| reedip | hi | 15:10 |
| reedip | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/441912/ | 15:10 |
| reedip | this is the link | 15:10 |
| reedip | done ! | 15:11 |
| ralonsoh | Thanks! | 15:11 |
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| ralonsoh | ok, I updated the link in the bug | 15:11 |
| ralonsoh | next one | 15:11 |
| ralonsoh | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1596611 | 15:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1596611 in neutron "[RFE] Create L3 IPs with qos (rate limit)" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to LIU Yulong (dragon889) | 15:11 |
| ralonsoh | The spec is almost finished | 15:11 |
| ralonsoh | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/374506/ | 15:12 |
| ralonsoh | Please take a last review to this spec | 15:12 |
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| reedip | will do ralonsoh | 15:13 |
| ralonsoh | the last one | 15:13 |
| ralonsoh | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1639220 | 15:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1639220 in neutron "[RFE] Introduce Network QoS policy "is_default" behaviour" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Rodolfo Alonso (rodolfo-alonso-hernandez) | 15:13 |
| ralonsoh | ok, this one is beginning to worry me | 15:13 |
| ralonsoh | there is no progress at all | 15:13 |
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| reedip | reviews ? | 15:14 |
| slaweq | hello | 15:14 |
| slaweq | sorry for late | 15:14 |
| ralonsoh | the first patch is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/401254/ | 15:14 |
| ralonsoh | hi slaweq | 15:14 |
| reedip | ok, I was hoping for reviews and slaweq is here :) | 15:14 |
| ralonsoh | I would like a core to review it | 15:14 |
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| reedip | ralonsoh : you could have asked it in the Weekly meeting of Neutron earlier | 15:14 |
| reedip | but you can ping them now ... | 15:15 |
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| ralonsoh | with this we could continue and mlavalle could start doing the API to Nova | 15:15 |
| ralonsoh | I know | 15:15 |
| slaweq | yes, and I will probably can start doing displaying it in port_info | 15:15 |
| davidsha | ralonsoh: gary reviewed it yesterday and Ihar was discussing with you on the bug, ping them both to have a look. | 15:15 |
| ralonsoh | We have a lack of core support in this group | 15:15 |
| mlavalle | ralonsoh: I am a core | 15:16 |
| ralonsoh | I know | 15:16 |
| mlavalle | I will take a look in that review | 15:16 |
| ralonsoh | and we need all core possible support | 15:16 |
| ralonsoh | in all the RFE and bugs in progress | 15:16 |
| ralonsoh | mlavalle: when are you planning to start https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396297/5/specs/pike/strict-minimum-bandwidth-support.rst | 15:17 |
| ralonsoh | bullets 2 and 3 | 15:17 |
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| ralonsoh | in work items | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | ralonsoh: I was really waiting for the spec to merge | 15:17 |
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| ralonsoh | yes... we need this first! | 15:18 |
| ralonsoh | ok, I'll try to fix this this week | 15:18 |
| mlavalle | I actually +2 the spec some days ago | 15:18 |
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| ralonsoh | I know hehehe | 15:18 |
| ralonsoh | ok, no problem | 15:18 |
| mlavalle | ralonsoh: but I can start right away | 15:18 |
| ralonsoh | no rush | 15:18 |
| ralonsoh | ok, next topic | 15:18 |
| ralonsoh | #topic Bugs | 15:18 |
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| ralonsoh | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1676877 | 15:19 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1676877 in neutron "Increase "TestQosPlugin.test_update_policy_rule" coverage" [Medium,New] - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee) | 15:19 |
| reedip | I JUST got it | 15:19 |
| ralonsoh | are you ok with the tests?? | 15:19 |
| ralonsoh | perfect! | 15:19 |
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| ralonsoh | do you still have problems? | 15:19 |
| reedip | Yes ralonsoh , I have some issues but I will be working on it | 15:19 |
| ralonsoh | perfect | 15:19 |
| ralonsoh | I'll review your next patch | 15:20 |
| reedip | if you would like to increase the Importance to High, please be my guest :) | 15:20 |
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| ralonsoh | I don't think I'm allowed to do this.... | 15:20 |
| ralonsoh | yet | 15:20 |
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| ralonsoh | next one | 15:20 |
| ralonsoh | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1667138 | 15:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1667138 in neutron "Minumum bandwidth can be higher than maximum bandwidth limit in same QoS policy" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee) | 15:20 |
| ralonsoh | the patch is almost finished | 15:21 |
| reedip | linked with the earlier bug :) | 15:21 |
| reedip | actually the above bug was found by this patch :D | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | I have made reviws for that patchset | 15:21 |
| ralonsoh | yes, you are right | 15:21 |
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| reedip | yeah guys, thanks for your reviews | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | I can look again | 15:21 |
| ralonsoh | perfect | 15:22 |
| reedip | now I just hope to finish thios | 15:22 |
| ralonsoh | we will wait for it | 15:22 |
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| mlavalle | reedip: please give me the link and I'll review it today | 15:22 |
| reedip | sure mlavalle, though I would like to add the test case if is not yet up | 15:22 |
| ralonsoh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/442375/ | 15:22 |
| ralonsoh | this is the link mlavalle | 15:22 |
| reedip | aah thanks ralonsoh :) | 15:22 |
| mlavalle | reddahh ok, I'll star it in my gerrit and will wait for the test | 15:23 |
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| ralonsoh | fantastic | 15:23 |
| mlavalle | reedip: ^^^ | 15:23 |
| ralonsoh | next one | 15:23 |
| ralonsoh | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1663908 | 15:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1663908 in neutron "Qos rules not cleaned by L2 agent" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to David Shaughnessy (david-shaughnessy) | 15:23 |
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| ralonsoh | I think the code is to be merged | 15:23 |
| ralonsoh | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/449710/ | 15:23 |
| ralonsoh | davidsha | 15:24 |
| reedip | mlavalle : I thought you were saying yeaaah !! :D | 15:24 |
| ralonsoh | try to ping garyk | 15:24 |
| davidsha | It had a +2 from Gark, I'll ping him and ask for a follow up when he has the time | 15:24 |
| ralonsoh | perfect! | 15:24 |
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| ralonsoh | because this is almost done | 15:24 |
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| ralonsoh | next one | 15:24 |
| ralonsoh | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1662109 | 15:24 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1662109 in neutron "tempest scenario test_qos fails intermittently" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Miguel Angel Ajo (mangelajo) | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | I will take also a look | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | I mean the previous one | 15:25 |
| ralonsoh | ajo: are you there? | 15:25 |
| davidsha | mlavalle: Thank you! | 15:25 |
| ralonsoh | this bug should be closed because the patches (removing the tests) are merged | 15:25 |
| ralonsoh | I'll ping ajo to do this | 15:25 |
| ralonsoh | next one | 15:26 |
| ralonsoh | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1659265 | 15:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1659265 in neutron "Network level QoS policies should apply to network:router_gateway" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Maxime (maxime-guyot-p) | 15:26 |
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| ralonsoh | almost the same | 15:26 |
| ralonsoh | the code is ok and should be merged asap | 15:26 |
| mlavalle | I also reviewed that one | 15:26 |
| mlavalle | give me the link and I'll look again | 15:27 |
| ralonsoh | mlavalle: I saw that! perfect | 15:27 |
| ralonsoh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425218/ | 15:27 |
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| ralonsoh | is waiting for other core | 15:27 |
| mlavalle | ah ok | 15:27 |
| ralonsoh | 5 +1 and one +2 | 15:27 |
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| ralonsoh | I'll ask in the neutron irc channel | 15:27 |
| ralonsoh | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1649517 | 15:28 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1649517 in neutron "qos policy attached to network, qos_policy_id is reflecting on neutron net-show , but not on the port with neutron port-show" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq) | 15:28 |
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| slaweq | I didn't do anything on it | 15:28 |
| ralonsoh | ok, I know | 15:28 |
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| ralonsoh | there are other patches with higher priority | 15:28 |
| ralonsoh | no problem | 15:28 |
| slaweq | in fact I'm not sure if I should write specs for it | 15:29 |
| slaweq | or not? | 15:29 |
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| ralonsoh | ajo proposed to make a rfe | 15:29 |
| ralonsoh | so I think so | 15:29 |
| ralonsoh | change the topic in the bug to RFE | 15:29 |
| slaweq | ok, I will update | 15:29 |
| ralonsoh | and I think you should write it | 15:29 |
| ralonsoh | perfect and thanks! | 15:30 |
| slaweq | *update it | 15:30 |
| reedip | slaweq : I can take it up if the other bugs are done from my side, lemme know if thats ok ? | 15:30 |
| ralonsoh | reedip: do you want one? | 15:30 |
| slaweq | ok, just take it if You want | 15:30 |
| ralonsoh | the nex tone | 15:30 |
| ralonsoh | next one | 15:30 |
| reedip | ralonsoh : which one ? | 15:30 |
| ralonsoh | the last bug | 15:30 |
| ralonsoh | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1649503 | 15:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1649503 in neutron "Mechanism driver can't be notified with updated network" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Hong Hui Xiao (xiaohhui) | 15:30 |
| ralonsoh | There was a patch submitted | 15:30 |
| ralonsoh | one sec | 15:30 |
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| ralonsoh | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/410101/ | 15:31 |
| ralonsoh | 3 months ago | 15:31 |
| ralonsoh | and that's all | 15:31 |
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| ralonsoh | If you can take this one, perfect! | 15:31 |
| reedip | ralonsoh : ok , I will take this one ! | 15:31 |
| slaweq | it's still waiting for kevinbenton opinion :) | 15:31 |
| ralonsoh | which one? | 15:31 |
| ralonsoh | slaweq: which one is waiting for kevin opinion? | 15:32 |
| slaweq | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/410101/ <-- this one | 15:32 |
| ralonsoh | ?? | 15:32 |
| ralonsoh | it's a joke, isn't it? | 15:33 |
| reedip | hahahaha :) | 15:33 |
| slaweq | no, armax asked for kevinbenton opinion in comment in review for this patch | 15:33 |
| ralonsoh | ohhhhh yes! | 15:33 |
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| ralonsoh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/410101/1/neutron/plugins/ml2/plugin.py | 15:33 |
| ralonsoh | ok, reedip | 15:34 |
| ralonsoh | please, take a look at this patch, the bug and ask us if you have a better alternative | 15:34 |
| reedip | ok, I am asking for Kevin's suggestion on it | 15:34 |
| ralonsoh | and also ask Kevin | 15:34 |
| ralonsoh | yes! | 15:34 |
| reedip | and looking at a better solution if possible | 15:34 |
| ralonsoh | and that's all | 15:34 |
| ralonsoh | next topic | 15:34 |
| ralonsoh | #topic Other Changes | 15:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Other Changes (Meeting topic: neutron_qos)" | 15:34 | |
| ralonsoh | there is no agenda | 15:35 |
| ralonsoh | any suggestion? | 15:35 |
| slaweq | if I can | 15:35 |
| ralonsoh | of course | 15:35 |
| slaweq | I would ask for review for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/426946/ | 15:35 |
| slaweq | it's already +2 from garyk and ralonsoh | 15:35 |
| slaweq | but I need another core to review it :) | 15:35 |
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| ralonsoh | yes, I don't know why I didn't put this in the list.... | 15:36 |
| mlavalle | slaweq: I will take a look | 15:36 |
| slaweq | maybe mlavalle could do this? :) | 15:36 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: thx | 15:36 |
| ralonsoh | This patch has several +1 and one +2 | 15:36 |
| mlavalle | slaweq: it's a little big, so expect it to happen over the next 2 3 days | 15:36 |
| mlavalle | ok? | 15:36 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: that's fine for me | 15:36 |
| slaweq | better in 3 days than never :P | 15:36 |
| ralonsoh | mlavalle: thanks a lot! | 15:36 |
| mlavalle | ralonsoh: in general.... | 15:37 |
| mlavalle | I see this team is doing a lot of work | 15:37 |
| slaweq | if this will be merged finally I will be able to move forward with ingress bw limits | 15:37 |
| davidsha | I have something as well... | 15:37 |
| mlavalle | so if you need core attention, I will be glad to prioritize this team | 15:37 |
| ralonsoh | mlavalle: fantastic | 15:37 |
| ralonsoh | davidsha: please, go on | 15:37 |
| davidsha | About object versioning... I've been told how we use it is not how it's intended to be used, should we look into how other projects are using it? | 15:38 |
| reedip | slaweq : yes , thats a great addition... and thanks a lot mlavalle | 15:38 |
| mlavalle | The only caveat is that I don't consider myself a QoS expert | 15:38 |
| mlavalle | so I will get up to speed over the next few weeks | 15:38 |
| mlavalle | I will go over the devref and the docs and the code | 15:38 |
| ralonsoh | davidsha: do you have examples? | 15:38 |
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| mlavalle | do we have an understanding where I am? | 15:38 |
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| ralonsoh | mlavalle: yes, of course | 15:39 |
| mlavalle | cool | 15:39 |
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| ralonsoh | davidsha: ? | 15:39 |
| davidsha | ralonsoh: not on hand, but what I've been told is it should be using the version to modify interal variables to conform to lower API versions, what we use it for now is micro versioning and throwing exception when the version is lower that a given qos rule is introduced | 15:40 |
| ralonsoh | davidsha: you are right | 15:40 |
| ralonsoh | and we should change that | 15:40 |
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| ralonsoh | davidsha: do you have time to open a bug for this? | 15:41 |
| davidsha | Will I file a bug and should we make it a priority for this release? | 15:41 |
| ralonsoh | (whishlist, please!) | 15:41 |
| davidsha | Ack | 15:41 |
| ralonsoh | no no | 15:41 |
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| ralonsoh | we don't have enough hands!! | 15:41 |
| ralonsoh | and thanks for the heads up | 15:41 |
| mlavalle | LOL | 15:41 |
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| ralonsoh | hehehe | 15:41 |
| ralonsoh | ok, next topic | 15:42 |
| ralonsoh | #topic Open Discussion | 15:42 |
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| davidsha | no problem! | 15:42 |
| ralonsoh | the same: no agenda here | 15:42 |
| ralonsoh | anyone has a new topic? | 15:42 |
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| ralonsoh | ok | 15:43 |
| ralonsoh | thank you very much for attending | 15:43 |
| ralonsoh | and see you in two weeks | 15:43 |
| reedip | anyone ot any topic selected in Boston ? | 15:43 |
| ralonsoh | (and IRC every day) | 15:43 |
| ralonsoh | uhmmm | 15:43 |
| reedip | oh we are ending ??? Bye then :D | 15:43 |
| ralonsoh | is anyone here going to Boston? | 15:43 |
| reedip | never mind, ignore me | 15:43 |
| ralonsoh | no no | 15:43 |
| ralonsoh | no problem | 15:43 |
| reedip | hehe | 15:43 |
| ralonsoh | I'm not going to Boston | 15:43 |
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| ralonsoh | and I did't take a look at the talks | 15:44 |
| reedip | neither am I , but thought of asking out if any QoS presentation got selected ? | 15:44 |
| reedip | :) | 15:44 |
| slaweq | me neither | 15:44 |
| ralonsoh | I need to check this | 15:44 |
| reedip | I gave the ECN talk but they didnt select it | 15:44 |
| ralonsoh | better luck next time!! once you have the code marged | 15:45 |
| ralonsoh | merged | 15:45 |
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| mlavalle | ralonsoh: I'll be in Boston | 15:45 |
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| ralonsoh | Lucky you! | 15:45 |
| ralonsoh | send pictures | 15:45 |
| davidsha | We'll have to try a combined QoS talk for the next summit, we didn't submit one this time did we? | 15:45 |
| ralonsoh | davidsha: that's a very good idea! | 15:45 |
| mlavalle | ralonsoh: LOL, will do | 15:45 |
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| ralonsoh | and we have enough topics and material to do this | 15:46 |
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| reedip | davidsha : thats in Australia , Mate ! | 15:46 |
| mlavalle | yeah, taht is stating the obvious. Lots of activity here | 15:46 |
| slaweq | yeah but it will be in Sydney so can be quite expensive trip | 15:46 |
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| reedip | slaweq : but a good QoS talk is worth a trip to Sydney ! | 15:47 |
| ralonsoh | crowdfunding is the solution!! | 15:47 |
| reedip | :d | 15:47 |
| ralonsoh | heheheh | 15:47 |
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| reedip | ralonsoh : we need a Big Crowd ! | 15:47 |
| ralonsoh | OK, thank you guys. See you in two weeks. | 15:47 |
| slaweq | reedip: for sure | 15:47 |
| reedip | c ya | 15:47 |
| davidsha | Thanks guys, see ya! | 15:47 |
| slaweq | if You will need help I will be very happy to join such presentation :) | 15:47 |
| ralonsoh | hehehe | 15:48 |
| slaweq | thx | 15:48 |
| ralonsoh | #endmeeting | 15:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 28 15:48:04 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:48 |
| slaweq | bye | 15:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2017/neutron_qos.2017-03-28-15.00.html | 15:48 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2017/neutron_qos.2017-03-28-15.00.txt | 15:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2017/neutron_qos.2017-03-28-15.00.log.html | 15:48 |
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| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_ci | 16:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 28 16:00:27 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:00 | |
| * ihrachys waves at everyone | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ci' | 16:00 |
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| manjeets_ | o/ | 16:00 |
| jlibosva | o/ | 16:01 |
| ihrachys | let's review action items from the prev meeting | 16:01 |
| ihrachys | aka shame on ihrachys | 16:01 |
| jlibosva | and jlibosva | 16:01 |
| ihrachys | "ihrachys fix e-r bot not reporting in irc channel" | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | hasn't happened; I gotta track that in my trello I guess | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | #action ihrachys fix e-r bot not reporting in irc channel | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | "ihrachys to fix the grafana board to include gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-dvr-multinode-full-ubuntu-xenial-nv" | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | nope, hasn't happened | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | will follow up on it after the meeting, it should not take much time :-x | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | actually, mlavalle maybe you could take that since you were to track dvr failure rate? | 16:03 |
| ihrachys | that's a matter of editing grafana/neutron.yaml in project-config, not a huge task | 16:03 |
| mlavalle | ihrachys: sure. I don't know how, but will find out | 16:03 |
| ihrachys | that's a good learning opportunity then | 16:04 |
| mlavalle | cool | 16:04 |
| ihrachys | you can ask me for details in neutron channel | 16:04 |
| ihrachys | and thanks | 16:04 |
| mlavalle | will do | 16:04 |
| ihrachys | #action mlavalle to fix the grafana board to include gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-dvr-multinode-full-ubuntu-xenial-nv | 16:04 |
| mlavalle | I spent time loking at this | 16:04 |
| mlavalle | looking^^^ | 16:04 |
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| mlavalle | all the failures I can see are due to hosts not available for the tests | 16:05 |
| mlavalle | or loosing connection with the hypervisor | 16:05 |
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| mlavalle | the other failures I see are due to the patchsets in the check queue | 16:05 |
| mlavalle | as a next step I'll be glad to talk to the infra team about this | 16:06 |
| ihrachys | ok I see | 16:06 |
| ihrachys | we may revisit that once we have data (grafana) back | 16:06 |
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| ihrachys | next was "jlibosva to figure out the plan for py3 gate transition and report back" | 16:07 |
| jlibosva | didn't sync yet. Although it's quite important I won't be able to make a plan till next meeting as I'll be off most of the time. So I target for now+2 weeks :) | 16:07 |
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| clarkb | mlavalle: yes please do ping us in -infra after the meeting if you can (I've been trying to get things under control failure wise want to make sure we aren't missing something) | 16:08 |
| mlavalle | clarkb: will do | 16:08 |
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| ihrachys | ok let's punt py3 for now till jlibosva is bcak | 16:08 |
| ihrachys | *back | 16:08 |
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| ihrachys | unless someone want to take a pitch on writing a proposal for py3 coverage in gate | 16:09 |
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| ihrachys | ok | 16:10 |
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| ihrachys | #topic State of the Gate | 16:11 |
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| ihrachys | http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate | 16:11 |
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| ihrachys | gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-linuxbridge-ubuntu-xenial is the only gate job that seem to show high failure rate | 16:12 |
| ihrachys | it's 8% right now | 16:12 |
| ihrachys | anyone aware of what happens there? | 16:12 |
| * electrocucaracha is checking | 16:12 | |
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| jlibosva | any chance it's still the echo from the spike before? | 16:12 |
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| ihrachys | I see this example: http://logs.openstack.org/17/412017/5/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-linuxbridge-ubuntu-xenial/c2fab50/console.html#_2017-03-24_18_31_35_087822 | 16:13 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva: looks rather flat from grafna | 16:13 |
| ihrachys | timeout? | 16:13 |
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| ihrachys | I don't see too many patches merged lately, could be a one off | 16:14 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Fullstack voting progress | 16:15 |
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| ihrachys | jlibosva: surely fullstack is still at 100% failure rate but do we make progress? | 16:16 |
| ihrachys | do we have grasp of all failures there? | 16:16 |
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| jlibosva | re - linuxbridge - I found the latest failure: http://logs.openstack.org/71/450771/1/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-linuxbridge-ubuntu-xenial/df0eaa2/console.html#_2017-03-28_14_05_34_665809 | 16:17 |
| jlibosva | ihrachys: there is still the patch for iptables firewall | 16:17 |
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| ihrachys | https://review.openstack.org/441353 ? | 16:17 |
| jlibosva | yes, that one | 16:17 |
| jlibosva | still probably a WIP | 16:18 |
| ihrachys | I see test_securitygroup failing with it as in http://logs.openstack.org/53/441353/8/check/gate-neutron-dsvm-fullstack-ubuntu-xenial/fe9f205/testr_results.html.gz | 16:18 |
| ihrachys | does it suggest it's not solving it? | 16:18 |
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| jlibosva | it's probably introducing another regression | 16:19 |
| ihrachys | :-) | 16:19 |
| jlibosva | as it solves the iptables driver but breaks iptables_hybrid | 16:19 |
| ihrachys | whack a mole | 16:19 |
| jlibosva | they are closely related and both use the conntrack manager | 16:19 |
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| ihrachys | kevinbenton: fyi seems like we need the conntrack patch in to move forward with fullstack | 16:20 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva: apart from this failure, anything pressing? or is it the last one? | 16:20 |
| jlibosva | no, other two :) | 16:20 |
| jlibosva | rather :( | 16:20 |
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| jlibosva | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1673531 - introduced recently | 16:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1673531 in neutron "fullstack test_controller_timeout_does_not_break_connectivity_sigkill(GRE and l2pop,openflow-native_ovsdb-cli) failure" [Undecided,New] | 16:20 |
| jlibosva | by merging tests for keeping data plane connectivity while agent is restart | 16:21 |
| jlibosva | ed | 16:21 |
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| jlibosva | I also saw another failure in trunk test where patch ports between tbr- and br-int are not cleaned properly after trunk is deleted. | 16:21 |
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| jlibosva | I haven't investigated that one and I don't think I reported a LP bug yet | 16:22 |
| ihrachys | I should probably raise the test_controller_timeout_does_not_break_connectivity_sigkill one on upgrades meeting since it's directly related to upgrade scenarios | 16:22 |
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| jlibosva | It's unclear to me if it's fullstack or agent | 16:22 |
| ihrachys | http://logs.openstack.org/98/446598/1/check/gate-neutron-dsvm-fullstack-ubuntu-xenial/2e0f93e/logs/dsvm-fullstack-logs/TestOvsConnectivitySameNetworkOnOvsBridgeControllerStop.test_controller_timeout_does_not_break_connectivity_sigkill_GRE-and-l2pop,openflow-native_ovsdb-cli_/neutron-openvswitch-agent--2017-03-16--16-06-05-730632.txt.gz?level=TRACE | 16:23 |
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| ihrachys | looks like multiple agents trying to add same manager? | 16:24 |
| ihrachys | since we don't isolate ovs, and we execute two hosts, maybe that's why | 16:24 |
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| ihrachys | gotta get otherwiseguy looking at it. the bug may be in the code that is now in ovsdbapp. | 16:25 |
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| jlibosva | that's weird | 16:25 |
| jlibosva | it has vsctl ovsdb_interface | 16:25 |
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| jlibosva | I thought the manager is for native | 16:25 |
| ihrachys | it's chicken and egg | 16:25 |
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| ihrachys | you can't do native before you register the poret | 16:26 |
| ihrachys | port | 16:26 |
| ihrachys | so if connection fails, we call CLI to add the manager port | 16:26 |
| ihrachys | and then repeat native attempt | 16:26 |
| jlibosva | but there is no native whatsoever | 16:26 |
| jlibosva | it's a vsctl test | 16:26 |
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| ihrachys | oh | 16:27 |
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| ihrachys | a reasonable question is then, why do we open the port | 16:27 |
| ihrachys | right? | 16:27 |
| jlibosva | but anyways, if it tries to create new manager and it's already there, it shouldn't influence the functionality, right? | 16:27 |
| ihrachys | depending on what the agent will do with the failure. | 16:28 |
| ihrachys | not sure if failure happens on this iteration, or somewhere later | 16:28 |
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| ihrachys | yeah, seems like the failure happens 30sec+ after that error | 16:30 |
| ihrachys | probably not directly related | 16:30 |
| jlibosva | I'm looking at the code right now and ovsdb monitor calls to native.helpers.enable_connection_uri | 16:31 |
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| jlibosva | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/441447/ | 16:32 |
| ihrachys | yea, was actually looking for this exact patch | 16:32 |
| jlibosva | but by that time the fullstack test wasn't in tree yet | 16:32 |
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| ihrachys | oh so basically polling.py always passes cfg.CONF.OVS.ovsdb_connection | 16:34 |
| ihrachys | and since it has default value, it always triggers the command | 16:34 |
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| ihrachys | I think there are several issues here. one is - we don't need that at all for vsctl | 16:35 |
| ihrachys | another being - multiple calls may probably race | 16:35 |
| ihrachys | neither are directly related to fullstack failure | 16:35 |
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| ihrachys | #action ihrachys to report bugs for fullstack race in ovs agent when calling to enable_connection_uri | 16:36 |
| jlibosva | we could hack fullstack to filelock the call | 16:36 |
| ihrachys | I don't think that correct | 16:36 |
| jlibosva | to avoid races, it can't happen in real world | 16:36 |
| ihrachys | because we don't run multiple monitors? | 16:37 |
| jlibosva | we don't run multiple ovs agents | 16:37 |
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| ihrachys | yeah seems like the only place we call the code path is in ovs agent | 16:38 |
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| ihrachys | I would still prefer code level fix for that, but it would work if we lock too | 16:39 |
| jlibosva | the only thing where it's used is vsphere at some dvs_neutron_agent ... http://codesearch.openstack.org/?q=get_polling_manager&i=nope&files=&repos= | 16:40 |
| jlibosva | but dunno what that is | 16:40 |
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| ihrachys | this code looks like ovs agent copy-pasted :) | 16:40 |
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| ihrachys | but it doesn't seem this code reimplements the agent | 16:41 |
| ihrachys | the question would be whether the DVS agent can be used with OVS agent on the same node | 16:41 |
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| ihrachys | ok let's move to the next topic | 16:42 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Functional job state | 16:42 |
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| ihrachys | http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate?panelId=7&fullscreen | 16:43 |
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| ihrachys | there are still spikes in close past till 80% | 16:43 |
| ihrachys | not sure what that was, I suspect some general gate breakage | 16:43 |
| ihrachys | now it's at reasonable 10% | 16:43 |
| ihrachys | (note it's check queue so there may be valid breakages) | 16:43 |
| ihrachys | of all patches, I am aware of this fix for a func test stability: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446991/ | 16:44 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva: maybe you can have a look | 16:44 |
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| jlibosva | I will | 16:45 |
| jlibosva | also note that almost the whole previous week the rate was around 20% which is still not ideal | 16:45 |
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| ihrachys | yeah. sadly I am consumed this week by misc stuff so won't be able to have a look. | 16:46 |
| ihrachys | #topic Other gate failures | 16:48 |
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| ihrachys | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=gate-failure | 16:48 |
| jlibosva | we could monitor the trend for next week and we'll see | 16:48 |
| * ihrachys looks through the list to see if anything could benefit from review attention | 16:48 | |
| ihrachys | this patch may be interesting since late pecan switch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447781/ | 16:49 |
| ihrachys | but it needs dasanind to respin it with a test included | 16:49 |
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| ihrachys | I think the bug hit tempest sometimes. | 16:49 |
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| ihrachys | any bugs worth raising? | 16:50 |
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| ihrachys | oh there is one from tmorin with a fix here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450865/ | 16:51 |
| ihrachys | I haven't checked the fix yet, so I am not sure if it's the right thing | 16:51 |
| manjeets_ | he just enabled quotas explicitly and it worked | 16:51 |
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| manjeets_ | need to check how quota ovo disrupted normal behavior | 16:52 |
| ihrachys | I don't think the change we landed was intended to break subprojects ;) | 16:52 |
| ihrachys | gotta find a fix on neutron side | 16:52 |
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| manjeets_ | yea that would be right fix | 16:52 |
| ihrachys | ok let's move on | 16:53 |
| ihrachys | #topic Open discussion | 16:53 |
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| ihrachys | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439114/ from manjeets_ still waits for +W from infra | 16:53 |
| ihrachys | I see Clark already +2d it, nice | 16:53 |
| manjeets_ | i asked clark yesterday for review | 16:54 |
| manjeets_ | may be need to post once more on infra | 16:54 |
| ihrachys | yeah, thanks for following up on it | 16:54 |
| ihrachys | apart from that, anything CI related worth mentioning here? | 16:54 |
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| jlibosva | I noticed that qos is skipped in api job | 16:55 |
| jlibosva | e.g. http://logs.openstack.org/91/446991/2/check/gate-neutron-dsvm-api-ubuntu-xenial/044a331/testr_results.html.gz | 16:55 |
| jlibosva | test_qos | 16:55 |
| manjeets_ | one question I was looking at functional tests | 16:55 |
| manjeets_ | don't see much for qos | 16:55 |
| manjeets_ | i see trunk is covered in functional but not qos | 16:56 |
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| ihrachys | jlibosva: I think we had a skip somewhere there | 16:57 |
| ihrachys | http://logs.openstack.org/91/446991/2/check/gate-neutron-dsvm-api-ubuntu-xenial/044a331/console.html#_2017-03-24_11_12_55_029613 | 16:57 |
| ihrachys | apparently the driver (ovs?) doesn't support it | 16:57 |
| jlibosva | I digged into it a bit and ended up that settings from local.conf are not propagated to the tempest.conf - but at this patch I see it works ... maybe it | 16:57 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva: oh there was another thing related | 16:57 |
| jlibosva | yeah, that's probably something else than what I saw - seems fixed by now | 16:57 |
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| ihrachys | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/449182/ | 16:58 |
| ihrachys | that should fix the issue with changes not propagated from hooks into tempest.conf | 16:58 |
| ihrachys | so now we have 2 skips only, and they seem to be legit | 16:58 |
| jlibosva | ihrachys: yeah, that's probably it :) | 16:58 |
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| jlibosva | it was weird for me though as I actually saw crudini being called - anyways, it's solved. Thanks ihrachys :) | 16:59 |
| ihrachys | np | 16:59 |
| ihrachys | manjeets_: there are func tests for qos too | 16:59 |
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| ihrachys | manjeets_: I will give links in neutron channel since we are at top of the hour | 16:59 |
| ihrachys | thanks everyone and keep up! | 16:59 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 28 16:59:47 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-03-28-16.00.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-03-28-16.00.txt | 16:59 |
| manjeets_ | ihrachys, thanks | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-03-28-16.00.log.html | 16:59 |
| jlibosva | thanks! bye | 17:00 |
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| lbragstad | #startmeeting keystone | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 28 18:00:02 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lbragstad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:00 |
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| lbragstad | ping agrebennikov, amakarov, annakoppad, antwash, ayoung, bknudson, breton, browne, chrisplo, cmurphy, davechen, dolphm, dstanek, edmondsw, edtubill, gagehugo, henrynash, hrybacki, jamielennox, jaugustine, jgrassler, knikolla, lamt, lbragstad, kbaikov, ktychkova, morgan, nishaYadav, nkinder, notmorgan, portdirect, raildo, ravelar, rderose, rodrigods, roxanaghe, samueldmq, SamYaple, shaleh, spilla, srwilkers, | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | StefanPaetowJisc, stevemar, topol, shardy, ricolin | 18:00 |
| samueldmq | hi all | 18:00 |
| hrybacki | o/ | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 18:00 |
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| notmorgan | o/ | 18:00 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 18:00 |
| cmurphy | o/ | 18:00 |
| notmorgan | lbragstad: turns out my schedule conflict is starting at 11:30 not 11 | 18:00 |
| ravelar | o/ | 18:00 |
| knikolla | o/ | 18:01 |
| dstanek | ehlo | 18:01 |
| spilla | o/ | 18:01 |
| rodrigods | o/ | 18:01 |
| lbragstad | notmorgan sweet - so we get you for a half an hour! | 18:01 |
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| lbragstad | our attendee list is getting a little large, and my client is showing me most of the folks aren't in the room | 18:02 |
| lbragstad | figured its time for a roll call | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | #topic roll call | 18:03 |
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| lbragstad | I've already recorded those who've already raised their hands | 18:03 |
| antwash | o/ | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | is anyone else here that wants a pre-meeting ping who hasn't raised their hand yet? | 18:04 |
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| lbragstad | we'll be doing this next week, too | 18:04 |
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| lbragstad | i'll aggregate the list together in a couple weeks | 18:04 |
| lbragstad | alright - moving on | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | #topic Boston Forum Brainstorming | 18:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Boston Forum Brainstorming (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:05 | |
| lbragstad | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-Keystone-brainstorming | 18:05 |
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| lbragstad | I've started a list to see who is going to be at the forum for sure | 18:06 |
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| lbragstad | and who is still tentative | 18:06 |
| knikolla | that's a sad attendance list | 18:06 |
| rderose | o/ | 18:06 |
| dstanek | knikolla: ++ | 18:06 |
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| lbragstad | is anyone else planning on being in Boston at this point? | 18:07 |
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| gagehugo | I will most likely be there* | 18:07 |
| rodrigods | i am | 18:07 |
| lbragstad | i understand a lot of this is based on corporate approval, i'm trying to get an early feel of who is going to be there | 18:07 |
| spilla | also most likely there | 18:07 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: I'll be there | 18:07 |
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| lbragstad | is there anything we specifically want to request sessions for? | 18:08 |
| lbragstad | (the whole concept of the proposal for projects bits is confusing to me, so i'm just kinda going with the flow based on what other projects are doing) | 18:09 |
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| lbragstad | it sounds like nova is only proposing 3 sessions that are pretty cross-project oriented, which makes me think we should do the same if there is anything cross project wise we need from other folks | 18:10 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: are those sessions like in the PTG ? | 18:10 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: or user/deployer focused ? | 18:10 |
| lbragstad | samueldmq i have no idea | 18:10 |
| lbragstad | this is the information i have | 18:11 |
| lbragstad | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/114456.html | 18:11 |
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| rodrigods | we will always have something to discuss | 18:11 |
| rodrigods | :) | 18:12 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: looks like more general | 18:12 |
| samueldmq | topics to discuss with ops, with users, with the community-at-large | 18:12 |
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| lbragstad | true - i'm more wondering what we need to know now so that we can propose sessions by April 1st | 18:12 |
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| samueldmq | lbragstad: cool, so we need to brainstorm there, right ? | 18:12 |
| lbragstad | one of the big ones that keeps popping up for me is the policy work | 18:12 |
| lbragstad | samueldmq yeah | 18:13 |
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| dstanek | lbragstad: can we just get a room for some amount of time and decide how to use it later? | 18:13 |
| lbragstad | i can follow up with the nova folks to see if they'd be interested in a policy session? | 18:13 |
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| samueldmq | lbragstad: sounds good to me | 18:13 |
| lbragstad | dstanek it doesn't sound like that's is the flow, we have to use proposals | 18:13 |
| dstanek | topic1 - 1 hour, topic2 - 1 hour, etc. | 18:14 |
| lbragstad | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/114399.html | 18:14 |
| notmorgan | i will definitely not be at the forum | 18:14 |
| lbragstad | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/user-committee/2017-March/001856.html | 18:14 |
| lbragstad | that ^ note specifically requires abstracts | 18:15 |
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| lbragstad | "We are looking for a good mix of project-specific, cross-project or | 18:15 |
| lbragstad | strategic/whole-of-community discussions, and *sessions that emphasize | 18:15 |
| lbragstad | collaboration between users and developers are most welcome!*" | 18:15 |
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| lbragstad | is there anything other than policy that folks think we need a specific session for? | 18:17 |
| henrynash | anything keystone-horizon-ish? | 18:18 |
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| lbragstad | like domain-admin configuration? | 18:19 |
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| lbragstad | and the support in horizon for it? | 18:19 |
| henrynash | yeah, as well as adminness in general (e.g. recognizing is_admin_project) | 18:19 |
| lbragstad | henrynash would the intended direction be that developers from horizon and keystone are there describing it to operators? | 18:20 |
| lbragstad | henrynash which sounds more informative, or do we want feedback? | 18:20 |
| henrynash | horizon as the classic example of how to interprest these things | 18:20 |
| henrynash | yes, that’s probably true, howver | 18:21 |
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| lbragstad | i can follow up with robcresswell to see what his thoughts are on a cross-project proposal | 18:21 |
| lbragstad | #action lbragstad to follow up with nova on a cross-project proposal for RBAC/policy | 18:22 |
| lbragstad | #action lbragstad to follow up with horizon on a cross-project proposal for Boston | 18:22 |
| dstanek | lbragstad: limits maybe? | 18:22 |
| lbragstad | dstanek oo | 18:22 |
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| lbragstad | yeah - that'd be another good cross-project one | 18:23 |
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| lbragstad | #action lbragstad to follow up on limits session | 18:23 |
| samueldmq | nice | 18:24 |
| lbragstad | i assume we'll need nova, cinder, neutron, etc... in there too | 18:24 |
| dstanek | yeah | 18:24 |
| lbragstad | dstanek good suggestion, | 18:24 |
| lbragstad | can anything think of anything else? | 18:24 |
| lbragstad | rderose and samueldmq are doing talks on PCI, so i feel like that will be pretty well covered | 18:25 |
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| rderose | just samueldmq as I didn't get approval to go :( | 18:25 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: ++ rderose won't be able to make it though | 18:25 |
| samueldmq | ^ :( | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | rderose ah! :( | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | samueldmq rderose thanks for the update | 18:25 |
| dstanek | what about a "beat up keystone" session? or some sort of feedback thing | 18:26 |
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| lbragstad | dstanek yeah - have that documented in the etherpad, but I don't know if that is something that we need a proposal for? | 18:26 |
| lbragstad | i can check with mrhillsman though | 18:26 |
| lbragstad | something tells me he'd be the guy to ask | 18:26 |
| lbragstad | #action lbragstad to check and see if operator feedback sessions need proposals | 18:27 |
| lbragstad | ok - sounds like i have some work to do | 18:27 |
| lbragstad | if anyone has additional ideas that fit the criteria, please ping me in -keystone | 18:28 |
| dstanek | a PTLs job is never done | 18:28 |
| lbragstad | since we'll have to get things proposed this week | 18:28 |
| lbragstad | dstanek you're telling me | 18:28 |
| samueldmq | dstanek: ++ | 18:28 |
| lbragstad | alrighty - i think we're good to move on | 18:28 |
| lbragstad | #topic pike specs | 18:28 |
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| lbragstad | #info 2.5 weeks until Spec Proposal Freeze | 18:29 |
| lbragstad | #info 10 weeks until Spec Freeze | 18:29 |
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| lbragstad | we have several specs up for review and several of them are pretty indepth | 18:29 |
| lbragstad | #topic pike specs: persistent group membership in federation | 18:29 |
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| lbragstad | breton o/ | 18:30 |
| lbragstad | breton you've been wanting to talk about this for a long time | 18:30 |
| breton | yep | 18:30 |
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| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437533/ | 18:30 |
| breton | so at the PTG we talked about federation | 18:30 |
| breton | and that group membership was not persistent | 18:30 |
| breton | we decided that we are just going to document it | 18:31 |
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| lbragstad | yup - iirc the idea was to provide better documentation for operators to handle that case | 18:31 |
| breton | but then at the next session i suggested to add an ability to make group membership persistent | 18:31 |
| breton | by adding an option to a mapping | 18:31 |
| breton | and we didn't really discuss it | 18:31 |
| breton | so i wanted to get some feedback on the spec | 18:31 |
| lbragstad | breton does the latest version of the spec include the details about using mapping? | 18:32 |
| lbragstad | about using the mapping?* | 18:32 |
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| lbragstad | looks like the last upload was Feb 23 | 18:32 |
| breton | lbragstad: not sure what you mean | 18:32 |
| breton | persistent_membership is what i suggest there | 18:32 |
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| dstanek | breton: was there already a patch submitted for the doc update? | 18:33 |
| breton | dstanek: no | 18:33 |
| dstanek | although i thought i was relatively clear on the nature of groups when i overhauled that doc | 18:33 |
| lbragstad | this is the relevant bug report | 18:34 |
| * lbragstad #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1589993 | 18:34 | |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1589993 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "cannot use trusts with federated users" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Boris Bobrov (bbobrov) | 18:34 |
| breton | i really want to have persistent membership because role assignments from https://docs.openstack.org/developer/keystone/federation/mapping_combinations.html#auto-provisioning _are persistent_ | 18:34 |
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| knikolla | i thought they were not persistent, just the project was created. :/ | 18:35 |
| lbragstad | knikolla it depends on the mapping | 18:35 |
| lbragstad | if the mapping specifies a project *in* the mapping, the project reference must contain a role | 18:36 |
| lbragstad | which is then assigned directly from the shadow user to the project | 18:36 |
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| lbragstad | breton in your approach - would the mapping change in order for keystone to make memberships persistent? | 18:38 |
| breton | lbragstad: yes | 18:38 |
| lbragstad | it wouldn't be the default behavior? | 18:39 |
| dstanek | ++ it has too for backward compatibility | 18:39 |
| breton | it wouldn't be the default behavior | 18:39 |
| dstanek | i'm 'o' happy, it seems | 18:39 |
| knikolla | lbragstad: did a quick check in the code. you are right about the role assignment. | 18:40 |
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| dstanek | lbragstad: if you changed the default behavior then you break the expectations of existing mappings | 18:40 |
| lbragstad | knikolla if i wasn't right about it i would be worried since i wrote it ;) | 18:40 |
| lbragstad | dstanek right - that's one of my main concerns | 18:40 |
| dstanek | #action dstanek to check the mapping documentation to make sure the ephemeral nature of the groups is clear | 18:40 |
| knikolla | lbragstad: i forgot that :p | 18:41 |
| lbragstad | i can also see how operators would have a *ton* of stuff to clean up if they started using this feature | 18:41 |
| lbragstad | since groups is batch processing for users | 18:42 |
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| dstanek | lbragstad: it would be nice to know if people would use it rather than the default behavior | 18:42 |
| lbragstad | true | 18:43 |
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| lbragstad | projects like heat would probably like it because it would require less things in order for them to consume federation | 18:43 |
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| dstanek | lbragstad: how so? | 18:43 |
| lbragstad | right now we are suggesting the operators place federated users in groups manually | 18:44 |
| knikolla | also trusts | 18:44 |
| lbragstad | before they can use heat which uses trusts | 18:44 |
| lbragstad | which don't work with ephemeral group memberships | 18:44 |
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| dstanek | lbragstad: ah i see. it also adds effort to their user provising systems that they have to consider | 18:45 |
| lbragstad | right | 18:46 |
| lbragstad | they also have to clean things up manually | 18:46 |
| lbragstad | regardless, of if the mapping engine makes the group membership persistent or if they do | 18:46 |
| dstanek | yeah, anytime a group change in AD (or whatever) they need to "manually" make that change | 18:46 |
| lbragstad | (which is totally another thing we need to document if we haven't already) | 18:47 |
| dstanek | lbragstad: that's why it would be nice to just fix trusts so they don't have to do it at all | 18:47 |
| lbragstad | ok - so random tangent question, would this be a problem if heat used something like oauth? | 18:47 |
| lbragstad | instead of trusts | 18:47 |
| dstanek | i suggested in the case of a federated trust that we don't do a group lookup, but i'm not sure it that feasible | 18:47 |
| dstanek | lbragstad: i think with a little work on our side that would be entirely possible | 18:48 |
| lbragstad | is it a more appropriate solution? | 18:48 |
| dstanek | ...or api keys? | 18:48 |
| lbragstad | i can ask the same question about api keys, too :) | 18:48 |
| knikolla | i thought the underlying issue is that we can't know if the user still has that kind of group permissions. so everything persistent is sketchy | 18:49 |
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| dstanek | we'd still need to understand the tolerance for the risk of a user no longer being in a group | 18:49 |
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| lbragstad | ok - so oauth might not help us here? | 18:49 |
| * lbragstad totally thought it might for some reason | 18:50 | |
| dstanek | knikolla: that's exactly the problem. until they auth again we won't know | 18:50 |
| dstanek | lbragstad: it totally could. we just have to understand the tolerance for group membership changes | 18:50 |
| lbragstad | otherwise its a bunch of duplicated state across identity systems | 18:50 |
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| lbragstad | so if heat wanted to use oauth for federated users, what would that look like? | 18:51 |
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| dstanek | lbragstad: i assume the user would auth and give heat a token. that token would then have roles back on groups that we can no longer verify | 18:52 |
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| lbragstad | hmm | 18:54 |
| lbragstad | breton thoughts? | 18:54 |
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| knikolla | does an oauth idp have an api to check group mempership? | 18:55 |
| dstanek | no matter what we run into the same problem. the question is what side is best for the solution or can we just assme the change-group risk for some period of time | 18:55 |
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| lbragstad | dstanek i feel like that has to be a question answered by the deployer | 18:55 |
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| lbragstad | if we provide both in keystone | 18:56 |
| rderose | I thought we talked about making concrete role assignments to solve this | 18:56 |
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| dstanek | rderose: that doesn't solve group membership changes | 18:56 |
| lbragstad | rderose i think this is more related to concrete role assignments | 18:56 |
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| lbragstad | s/role assignment/group membership/ | 18:57 |
| rderose | dstanek: right, but it's about the roles | 18:57 |
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| knikolla | until create user with federated attributes is merged, users have to auth once before they can be assigned concrete roles. with the mapping that is automatic. | 18:57 |
| knikolla | but not concrete | 18:57 |
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| knikolla | if i understand correctly, breton wants an option in the mapping to make it concrete | 18:58 |
| rderose | knikolla: right | 18:58 |
| dstanek | rderose: right, that causes the issue of the operator needing to cleanup | 18:58 |
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| lbragstad | information sprawl across identity systems | 18:58 |
| lbragstad | i think we need more input from operators on this | 18:58 |
| dstanek | i'd really just like trusts to 'trust' the group membership (epheral groups) and make the operator responsible for kicking keystone when that changes | 18:59 |
| dstanek | lbragstad: ++ | 18:59 |
| knikolla | we probably can have it as an option and let ops decide. it's their tradeoff to decide. | 18:59 |
| lbragstad | alright - we can take this to -keystone | 19:00 |
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| lbragstad | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 28 19:00:25 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-03-28-18.00.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-03-28-18.00.txt | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-03-28-18.00.log.html | 19:00 |
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| fungi | infra team, unite! | 19:00 |
| * jeblair looks around for grub | 19:00 | |
| cmurphy | o/ | 19:00 |
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| pabelanger | present | 19:00 |
| Shrews | o/ | 19:00 |
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| ianw | good morning | 19:02 |
| SotK | o/ | 19:02 |
| mordred | o/ | 19:02 |
| mordred | jeblair: I failed at lunch today - I wish you better success | 19:02 |
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| jeblair | are they tater tots? are they nachos? does it matter? | 19:02 |
| fungi | this week we have action items assigned to and topics proposed by ianw, fungi, jeblair, mordred, greghaynes | 19:02 |
| fungi | (some proposed by me by proxy) | 19:02 |
| greghaynes | ohai | 19:02 |
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| fungi | fair amount on the agenda, so let's get started | 19:03 |
| fungi | #startmeeting infra | 19:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 28 19:03:25 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:03 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:03 |
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| fungi | #topic Announcements | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:03 | |
| fungi | #info Seeking volunteers to help present Infra "On-Boarding" at Forum | 19:03 |
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| fungi | it looks like we're subdividing a slot with qa, relmgmt, requirements and stable | 19:04 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/114121.html Project On-Boarding Rooms | 19:04 |
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| fungi | we could probably just brush up one of our overview presentations and run through that, then do question and answer for a few minutes after | 19:04 |
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| fungi | #link https://docs.openstack.org/infra/publications/ | 19:04 |
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| fungi | if you're interested in pitching in, get in touch with me | 19:04 |
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| fungi | #info Submit Forum topics before April 2 | 19:05 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/114399.html | 19:05 |
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| fungi | i think the main benefit we provide to the forum sessions is being there as high-profile users and operators | 19:05 |
| fungi | but if you have ideas for topics people should be discussing there please add them before sunday! | 19:05 |
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| fungi | #info Volunteer needed to chair Infra team meeting on April 11 | 19:05 |
| clarkb | sorry am here got nerd sniped by pkg_resources | 19:06 |
| fungi | i'll be at a leadership seminar with some other members of the community most of that week, and so unavailable to chair our meeting | 19:06 |
| fungi | get up with me if you want to fill in | 19:06 |
| fungi | as always, feel free to hit me up with announcements you want included in future meetings | 19:06 |
| fungi | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:06 |
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| fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-03-21-19.03.html Minutes from last meeting | 19:06 |
| fungi | ianw try booting a Xenial-based replacement for planet.openstack.org | 19:06 |
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| fungi | did you have a chance to give that a try? | 19:06 |
| ianw | yes, a couple of issues | 19:07 |
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| ianw | #link https://review.openstack.org/450534 | 19:07 |
| ianw | #link https://review.openstack.org/450526 | 19:07 |
| ianw | #link https://review.openstack.org/450529 | 19:07 |
| ianw | xenial hosts require python2 for ansible ... i presume that's not going to be controversial | 19:07 |
| ianw | i think a python3 only system is interesting but not a priority | 19:07 |
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| fungi | yeah, not a problem as far as i'm concerned | 19:08 |
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| ianw | the other is just a fyi that for vexxhost, just ping mnaser for rdns as there's no interface for that yet | 19:08 |
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| mordred | I think mnaser is a wonderful API | 19:09 |
| jeblair | that's not that much more difficult than the rax interface, tbh. | 19:09 |
| fungi | those changes all look nicely straightforward | 19:09 |
| jeblair | possibly better | 19:09 |
| ianw | so yes, the host is up and on vexxhost, but not puppeted yet (450534) | 19:09 |
| mordred | jeblair: ++ | 19:09 |
| fungi | mnaser probably has as well-defined a public api ;) | 19:09 |
| ianw | yeah, i'll put in something to launch-node because it spews some very wrong info in the dns section | 19:09 |
| jeblair | ianw: i bet you didn't even need an mnaser-specific virtualenv. | 19:09 |
| fungi | i have no doubt about that | 19:09 |
| fungi | thanks for putting that together ianw! | 19:10 |
| ianw | so, yeah, in progress, but good to sort out those little xenial issues now | 19:10 |
| ianw | <end> | 19:10 |
| fungi | #action fungi put forth proposal to flatten git namespaces | 19:10 |
| mordred | fungi: the one API call starts with "mnaser:" and everything after that is schemaless | 19:10 |
| fungi | i haven't gotten started on that yet, though ttx put this awesome impact study together: | 19:10 |
| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/repo-name-shortening-impact Impact of shortening repository names | 19:10 |
| fungi | if anybody thinks of anything which should also be on there, please add it! | 19:10 |
| fungi | mordred: sounds a lot like glance tasks? ;) | 19:11 |
| * fungi shouldn't poke fun | 19:11 | |
| fungi | #topic Specs approval | 19:11 |
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| fungi | we don't seem to have anything new up this week | 19:12 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts | 19:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Priority Efforts (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:12 | |
| fungi | nothing called out specifically here for this week, though for the zuulv3 topic i encourage people to attend the zuul-specific meeting on mondays: | 19:12 |
| fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Zuul_Meeting A weekly meeting to discuss Zuul development | 19:12 |
| mordred | fungi: :) | 19:12 |
| fungi | #topic Planning to upgrade lists.openstack.org to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (fungi, jeblair) | 19:13 |
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| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lists.o.o-trusty-upgrade Trusty upgrade steps for lists.openstack.org | 19:13 |
| fungi | jeblair ran through this last week and wrote up a very detailed maintenance plan there | 19:13 |
| jeblair | i think it's basically repeatable but we'll want to remove the old kernels beforehand to save time | 19:13 |
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| fungi | i think you estimated a 90-minute outage we should announce as 3 hours? | 19:14 |
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| jeblair | yeah, i'm comfortable with that | 19:14 |
| fungi | "messages bound for the list will queue..." | 19:14 |
| fungi | et cetera | 19:14 |
| fungi | you suggested we pick a friday soon | 19:14 |
| fungi | does anyone think this friday is "too soon"? | 19:14 |
| jeblair | it may be slightly more impactful than the 10-hour mailman outage previously, but only to people with bonkers MTAs which don't retry. | 19:15 |
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| jeblair | s/bonkers/non-rfc-compliant/ | 19:15 |
| pabelanger | friday seems fine | 19:15 |
| jeblair | works for me. | 19:15 |
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| clarkb | also works for me | 19:16 |
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| fungi | 20:00 start? | 19:16 |
| jeblair | 2000 also works for me | 19:16 |
| clarkb | I'm fine with earlier if it helps people in more eastern timezones | 19:17 |
| mordred | wfm | 19:17 |
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| fungi | that gets you after west coast lunch and i don't mind eating my dinner a couple hours early | 19:17 |
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| pabelanger | same | 19:18 |
| fungi | #info The Mailman listserv on lists.openstack.org will be offline for an upgrade | 19:18 |
| fungi | er, i have a stray newline on that | 19:18 |
| fungi | #undo | 19:18 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #info The Mailman listserv on lists.openstack.org will be offline for an upgrade | 19:18 |
| fungi | #info The Mailman listserv on lists.openstack.org will be offline for an upgrade | 19:19 |
| fungi | gah | 19:19 |
| fungi | #undo | 19:19 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #info The Mailman listserv on lists.openstack.org will be offline for an upgrade | 19:19 |
| fungi | #info The Mailman listserv on lists.openstack.org will be offline for an upgrade maintenance 20:00-23:00 UTC Friday, March 31; most messages bound for the lists there should queue and retry, so impact is likely minimal | 19:20 |
| fungi | there we go. anybody disagree with that? | 19:20 |
| jeblair | fungi: ^5 | 19:20 |
| fungi | i can get an announcement worked up later today for that unless someone else wants to | 19:21 |
| fungi | probably should go to the openstack-announce ml i guess? | 19:21 |
| clarkb | and maybe even -ops and general? | 19:21 |
| fungi | seems questionable to send it to every ml we host | 19:21 |
| clarkb | don't want to overspam but those likely represent a large subset of users | 19:21 |
| fungi | i mean, -dev is by far the highest volume of list traffic | 19:22 |
| fungi | so i guess if we're going to cross-post to multiple lists we should include that one? | 19:22 |
| * fungi worries he's taken a detour into the bikeshed | 19:23 | |
| jeblair | i'm not sure we should include -announce? | 19:23 |
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| fungi | yeah, i guess the -announce ml, by nature of being almost exclusively a read-only ml, has subscribers who are least impacted | 19:24 |
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| fungi | i was trying to figure out the best place to announce it without announcing to multiple lists | 19:24 |
| jeblair | that's my thinking. also, likely least interested. | 19:24 |
| jeblair | (different story if there were an impacting change) | 19:24 |
| fungi | but maybe i just accept the evils of cross-posting in this case | 19:24 |
| clarkb | I think -dev -ops and general represents the largest cross section. However sending to those 3 is not one :) | 19:25 |
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| fungi | so -dev, -ops and the general list. anything else? | 19:25 |
| jeblair | -infra | 19:25 |
| jeblair | people who care about the availability of infrastructure systems maybe ought to subscribe to -infra :) | 19:25 |
| fungi | yeah, that's a great point | 19:25 |
| fungi | okay, i'll send the announcement to those four | 19:26 |
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| fungi | anything else we need to discuss on this topic? | 19:26 |
| jeblair | nak | 19:26 |
| fungi | it's an in-place upgrade, which is out of the ordinary for us, so everyone keep that in mind i guess | 19:26 |
| fungi | #topic Shade proposal for a new TC-recognized project team (fungi, mordred) | 19:28 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/446426 Move shade into its own top-level team | 19:28 |
| fungi | putting this on the agenda since it's also on the tc agenda immediately after this | 19:28 |
| fungi | and since my mention of it in last week's meeting seemed to take some people by surprise i wanted to make sure it's communicated so i can get at least some last minute feedback before i vote on it | 19:29 |
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| mordred | and I was afk for the surprise | 19:29 |
| fungi | mainly curious if there are objections so i can weigh those | 19:29 |
| fungi | and yeah, mordred was absent last week so nobody had a chance to tell him he's crazy | 19:30 |
| mordred | I mean, like I don't already know taht | 19:30 |
| * ttx waves from Berlin | 19:30 | |
| jeblair | i think the current commit message lays out a reasonable case. | 19:30 |
| * mordred has updated the commit message since last week - so it might be better/clearer than it was then | 19:30 | |
| jeblair | i think that based on the expanding use of shade, in some cases it's becoming a "face" of openstack | 19:31 |
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| jeblair | and that seems very appropriate to be an official openstack project | 19:31 |
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| fungi | it's also going to be integral to oaktree, and i expect we don't want to be in the business of maintaining an openstack api service | 19:31 |
| jeblair | it's certainly evolved beyond "utility library for nodepool" :) | 19:31 |
| clarkb | I am really concerned that people think using software that is appropriately licensed and supported by its developers is not appropriate for usage in openstack | 19:31 |
| clarkb | I don't think thats shade's fault nor do I think shade can fix it, so not something to block this. But why does that perception exist and is it something we need to look at more broadly? | 19:32 |
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| mordred | clarkb: I do think it is something we shoud look more broadly | 19:32 |
| clarkb | this will be an issue for dib too with the proposed move into infra btw | 19:33 |
| clarkb | so its not a one off thing we are running into | 19:33 |
| mordred | there are definitely some very strange perceiption issues floating around out there | 19:33 |
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| greghaynes | heh, I was just noticing how interesting the timing is there | 19:33 |
| fungi | i wouldn't expect the actual set of developers on shade or requestsexceptions to actually change as a result of this | 19:33 |
| mordred | and figuring out how to address them over time would be beneficial | 19:33 |
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| mordred | fungi: me neither | 19:33 |
| jeblair | clarkb: i agree with that concern. and it's interesting that whatever might underly that concern, this does nothing to address that. (as expected -- how could it) | 19:34 |
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| fungi | this is more of a means of calling them out as not infra-specific projects (as a class our repos get more latitude to use other licenses, in particular) | 19:34 |
| clarkb | the only other thing that came up recently was a pull request was proposed to github which mordred/thingee then pushed up to shade. I think moving into openstack and applying the CLA potentially complicates that in the future | 19:34 |
| jeblair | that's part of why i'm happier with this version of the commit message which takes a more positive tone and leaves out most of the vague (and unactionable) "there are problems" bits. | 19:34 |
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| clarkb | but thats more something to be aware of and not a deal breaker either | 19:35 |
| fungi | the github pr in question did include an agreement to the dco, which the board has agreed we can switch to | 19:35 |
| mordred | clarkb: yup. I agree with that - although for clarity for folks who might not have seen it, the PR in question was a one-word fix | 19:35 |
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| fungi | we just haven't had the cycles to finish things that need doing to be able to make that transition | 19:35 |
| mordred | fungi: ++ | 19:35 |
| fungi | on a mass scale i mean | 19:36 |
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| fungi | by "we" i mean openstack as a whole (not just infra) | 19:36 |
| * mordred really should start signed-off-by his patches ... | 19:36 | |
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| mordred | although all of my patches are gpg signed, so one would hope that implies to people that they are signed-off by him too | 19:36 |
| clarkb | signed off by doesn't ahve any real weight in our setup does it? | 19:37 |
| clarkb | because we don't assert the dco anywhere | 19:37 |
| jeblair | so yeah, in short, i think there is no legit organizational issue that should prompt this, and if folks think there are, we should talk about it. but regardless of that, i think it makes good sense for the openstack project. | 19:37 |
| mordred | not at the moment | 19:37 |
| clarkb | (it doesn't hurt either but doesn't mean anything) | 19:37 |
| mordred | jeblair: ++ | 19:37 |
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| fungi | clarkb: it had weight for that commit, but it doesn't have weight in gerrit insofar as being enforced (yet) | 19:38 |
| jeblair | clarkb: https://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/developers.html#using-signed-off-by | 19:38 |
| jeblair | (but the repos should really have that in a file too) | 19:38 |
| fungi | and yeah, we have russellb's excellent writeup there in the infra manual | 19:38 |
| clarkb | oh neat didn't realize that was there | 19:38 |
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| russellb | i do it for most of my patches now, habit | 19:39 |
| russellb | since it's required for some other projects i'm contributing to | 19:39 |
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| clarkb | the only other thing I will say is that I think a lot of what is being said around this shade move is potentially at odds with what is said with the dib move | 19:40 |
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| clarkb | we may need to reconcile that | 19:41 |
| jeblair | clarkb, mordred: yes, if there are folks that only want to package "openstack" projects, then are they going to come back with "issues" regarding dib? | 19:41 |
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| clarkb | (I'm happy for both moves to happen as proposed just we may need to clean up the messaging) | 19:41 |
| jeblair | me too | 19:41 |
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| fungi | so anyway, this has a few rough edges... 1. it sets a precedent that if an openstack service wants to depend on an infra deliverable, we have to evict it; 2. tripleo depends on diskimage-builder, which we're about to talk about moving into infra; 3. shade and requestsexceptions may need to get git namespaces changed because this apparently might confuse some people when they're non-infra repos in | 19:41 |
| fungi | the openstack-infra git namespace | 19:41 |
| jeblair | since i'm not focused on that -- i think from the pov of who uses/maintains them, they both make a lot of sense. | 19:42 |
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| jeblair | fungi: i catagorically deny #1 | 19:42 |
| jeblair | if someone has said that, we need to talk about it | 19:42 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: thats how I read the shade move commit message | 19:42 |
| jeblair | (i mean, that's ridiculous -- openstack depends on all sorts of things that aren't written by openstack) | 19:42 |
| clarkb | yes exactly :) | 19:43 |
| jeblair | clarkb: what sentence says that so we can remove it? :) | 19:43 |
| fungi | i can sort of see it between the lines there if i squint | 19:43 |
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| mordred | yah - and I'm not thrilled with the concept of 3 - and would rather defer doing such a thing until such a time as we decide to flatten or remove namespaces | 19:43 |
| clarkb | the middle of the first paragraph | 19:43 |
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| jeblair | "to use adjacent to or as a part of OpenStack things" i guess? | 19:44 |
| clarkb | "people view it as 'separate' so maybe not appropriate for use adjavent to or as openstack things" | 19:44 |
| clarkb | jeblair: yes | 19:44 |
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| greghaynes | I'd be interested to know - has that happened already or is there just a fear of that potentially happening? | 19:44 |
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| greghaynes | (people seeing it as not appropriate for use with openstack) | 19:45 |
| greghaynes | Since the big question seems to be whether that would also likely happen to dib | 19:45 |
| fungi | i suspect a lot of the licensing concern could be fixed by being less team-specific in the governance documentation about licensing exceptions | 19:46 |
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| mordred | I _think_ it may have something to do with the fact that shade is a) a library and b) interacts specifically with the openstack apis and at least for now also c) depends on python libraries that openstack depends on at different versions | 19:46 |
| fungi | #link https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/licensing.html | 19:46 |
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| jeblair | i will once again mention that non-openstack projects don't have to adhere to our licensing requests -- in all cases, we have to look at the actual license used by a piece of software before we incorporate it. | 19:47 |
| mordred | c) is being handled by fixing code, but we've still had a couple of years of habit for folks | 19:47 |
| fungi | the spirit there seems to be that the community is allowed to use other free licenses for things which aren't runtime dependencies of "openstack the product" (however you define it), particularly software used for testing and development | 19:47 |
| clarkb | mordred: maybe rewrite the commit to specifically talk about how separately managed versions of common deps have created conflict and remove the talk about separate governance? | 19:48 |
| clarkb | because to me those two things are orthogonal and unrelated | 19:48 |
| jeblair | mordred: yeah, if that's the case, that's an entirely reasonable technical objection for folks to have, and a good technical solution is being implemented (and has no relationship with the openstack project team doing the work) | 19:48 |
| jeblair | clarkb and i say similar things i think | 19:48 |
| clarkb | jeblair: ya | 19:48 |
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| mordred | yup. I agree re: c - however, a and b are the things that are still true and where I'm guessing people are getting themselves flummoxed | 19:49 |
| fungi | i agree, the release management argument is far stronger than the licensing exceptions one | 19:49 |
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| jeblair | fungi: what's the release management argument? | 19:49 |
| fungi | "separately managed versions of common deps" | 19:49 |
| jeblair | gotcha | 19:49 |
| jeblair | fungi: agreed | 19:50 |
| fungi | aka requirements tracking, stable branches, following the same release process as other openstack-the-product pieces | 19:50 |
| mordred | yah - as a thing that is related to openstack apis it's not currently participating in OpenStack Release Management like the other things are | 19:50 |
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| fungi | okay, so seems like we're more or less in agreement that the spirit of the proposal makes sense, but the commit message might still be reinforcing misconceptions? | 19:51 |
| fungi | i want to get to the dib topic too, since it's also up for tc vote today | 19:52 |
| mordred | fungi: ++ | 19:52 |
| clarkb | yes for the sake of the dib move I think we awnt to avoid any of those misconceptions, particukarly if we move them at the same time | 19:52 |
| fungi | cool, that makes a great segue | 19:53 |
| fungi | #topic Diskimage Builder proposal to join Infra (fungi, greghaynes) | 19:53 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/445617 Move DIB from TripleO to Infra | 19:53 |
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| fungi | this one should be much less of a surprise. greghaynes has communicated it widely first in a lengthy discussion on the -dev ml and then later in the -infr aml | 19:54 |
| fungi | so far the only concern i've seen raised is that if the misconception about infra deliverables being unsuitable as openstack dependencies persists then we've got an issue | 19:54 |
| EmilienM | o/ | 19:54 |
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| greghaynes | Yep, I've also made #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/dib-infra-move-deets to gather some finer grained details | 19:55 |
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| fungi | i also just want to make absolutely 100% sure that the current dib devs are entirely disinterested in having their own separate project team. as a tc member i'd also happily support that move | 19:55 |
| EmilienM | (in same position as fungi fwiw) | 19:55 |
| ianw | personally i see that as a lot of overhead with no benefits i can see | 19:56 |
| greghaynes | Right, I've been trying to find anyone who might have a strong desire for that and was unable to | 19:56 |
| greghaynes | For the same reasons as ianw says | 19:56 |
| fungi | but i certainly agree that the work on dib is pretty closely aligned with other things in infra and we have a fair amount of overlap on contributors, so i don't object to the current proposal and i haven't heard anyone else object | 19:56 |
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| fungi | i mainly wanted to give an opportunity for last-minute objections from the infra team | 19:57 |
| * mordred welcomes our existing dib friends in remaining our dib friends | 19:58 | |
| fungi | and seems like i'm hearing none. we can move to open discussion for the last couple minutes | 19:58 |
| ianw | just join #openstack-dib as sometimes things come up in there | 19:58 |
| EmilienM | (indeed, we're going to vote it during the TC meeting) | 19:58 |
| fungi | #topic Open discussion | 19:58 |
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| clarkb | as a heads up I think I got one of our barcelona demo clouds to donate resources | 19:59 |
| fungi | YES! | 19:59 |
| clarkb | once people get back from vacation we should be able to make that concrete with proper accounts and everything (late this week, early next) | 19:59 |
| pabelanger | I'm looking for help with directory hashing for rubygems-mirror. I might be pinging some people | 19:59 |
| cmurphy | I pushed up https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450029/ to stop installing root users on nodepool nodes and so far ianw has raised hesitation, does anyone else want to discuss it? | 19:59 |
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| clarkb | cmurphy: maybe we can take that over to -infra as we are running out of time? | 20:00 |
| EmilienM | I'm still waiting for feedback on infracloud/ocata patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/436503/ | 20:00 |
| cmurphy | clarkb: sure | 20:00 |
| fungi | okay, thanks everyone--time for teh tc meeting | 20:00 |
| fungi | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 28 20:00:25 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-03-28-19.03.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-03-28-19.03.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-03-28-19.03.log.html | 20:00 |
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| EmilienM | dims, dtroyer, fungi, johnthetubaguy, mordred, mtreinish, sdague, stevemar, thingee: ping | 20:00 |
| dtroyer | o/ | 20:00 |
| * fungi changes hats and sticks around | 20:00 | |
| sdague | o/ | 20:00 |
| EmilienM | excused absence: dhellmann, ttx, flaper87 | 20:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | o/ | 20:00 |
| ttx | I'm here actually | 20:00 |
| johnsom | o/ | 20:00 |
| mordred | o/ | 20:00 |
| EmilienM | oh nooooooes | 20:00 |
| dims | o/ | 20:00 |
| ttx | but probably shouldn't | 20:01 |
| thingee | o/ | 20:01 |
| EmilienM | I was waiting for this time in my life | 20:01 |
| ttx | EmilienM: so I'll let you drive | 20:01 |
| EmilienM | ttx: floor is yours | 20:01 |
| dims | go have fun ttx ! | 20:01 |
| ttx | no no | 20:01 |
| EmilienM | ttx: are you here for the whole meeting? | 20:01 |
| mordred | ttx: I apologize - white trash fast food is not currently in operation! :( | 20:01 |
| thingee | ttx: have a cocktail and relax | 20:01 |
| EmilienM | #startmeeting tc | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 28 20:01:36 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is EmilienM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:01 |
| ttx | thingee: they all decide to go to bed early | 20:01 |
| ttx | decided* | 20:01 |
| EmilienM | Agenda at: | 20:01 |
| EmilienM | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 20:01 |
| EmilienM | let's start with the first topic: | 20:02 |
| EmilienM | #topic Update diversity tags | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Update diversity tags (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:02 | |
| EmilienM | #link https://review.openstack.org/448667 | 20:02 |
| EmilienM | sounds like we had a negative feedback a few hours ago from Michael | 20:02 |
| johnsom | I am here to answer questions | 20:02 |
| johnsom | Give comments if asked for... | 20:02 |
| thingee | johnsom: do you disagree with the script we use to produce these results? | 20:02 |
| * edleafe hopes no one sees him wandering in late | 20:03 | |
| ttx | johnsom: the ;etric at fault is core reviezs | 20:03 |
| ttx | oops us keyboard | 20:03 |
| ttx | the metric at fault is core reviews | 20:03 |
| johnsom | I think it is a bit on the harsh side and penalizes a project for having the PTL at an active company. | 20:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | johnsom: did you see the definition here: https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/tags/team_diverse-affiliation.html | 20:03 |
| johnsom | Right, percent of core reviews from one company. | 20:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | its two companies being more than 80% of something I thought? | 20:04 |
| johnsom | I dug into the script when I heard about this. | 20:04 |
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| ttx | it's not single-vendor, but it's not diverse either | 20:04 |
| ttx | johnthetubaguy: single company core review > 50% | 20:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | right, diverse is a high-sh bar, and for a good reason | 20:04 |
| johnsom | It was only the core metric we were over. | 20:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | ttx: ah, OK | 20:05 |
| ttx | johnsom: yes true, and not by far | 20:05 |
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| johnsom | Right. We of course have been impacted my the musical chairs with developers. | 20:05 |
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| * rockyg spies a slinking edleafe | 20:05 | |
| sdague | johnsom: which also means it's probably not hard to get back over that line as long as it's a team focus | 20:05 |
| fungi | if the script isn't measuring what we intended, then i agree we should hold off updating tag application and fix that. if it's just that we're focusing on the wrong metrics entirely that's a separate discussion we should handle through a different proposal which shouldn't block the current one | 20:05 |
| ttx | the issue is, I don't think we can make the rule subjective | 20:05 |
| johnsom | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/jR9uwWyL/ | 20:06 |
| * bswartz invokes Goodhart's Law | 20:06 | |
| bswartz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart%27s_law | 20:06 |
| EmilienM | johnsom: tbh, I don't think it's a terrible news to loose this tag. you're close to have it again anyway | 20:06 |
| thingee | fungi: ++ | 20:06 |
| johnsom | For those curious in the actual numbers. (which might be nice on the commit message). | 20:06 |
| EmilienM | johnsom: the most important is the health of your project and I haven't seen negative signs so far | 20:06 |
| johnsom | These don't get automatically re-added right? | 20:06 |
| EmilienM | fungi: yes, we can wait for sure. | 20:06 |
| thingee | johnsom: no | 20:06 |
| EmilienM | johnsom: we have a bot called ttx :D | 20:07 |
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| mordred | he's a good little bot | 20:07 |
| ttx | johnsom: they get readded whenever someone runs the script again | 20:07 |
| thingee | can confirm he's a robot | 20:07 |
| fungi | but they do get re-added without necessarily needing to request that it happen | 20:07 |
| ttx | I try to do that every 2months-ish | 20:07 |
| sdague | ttx: it would be nice if the numbers for the projects were in the commit message | 20:07 |
| dims | i was just going to ask that ttx :) | 20:07 |
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| johnsom | This just seems like another thing that makes it hard for small teams to participate and grow momentum. | 20:07 |
| sdague | just to make it concrete | 20:07 |
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| EmilienM | ttx: we could have a periodic job in governance (so we stop doing it manually?) | 20:07 |
| thingee | sdague: ++ | 20:07 |
| ttx | sdague: aren't they ? you mean all the numbers ? | 20:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | the 56 and 92 are there I guess | 20:08 |
| sdague | ttx: yeh | 20:08 |
| mordred | johnsom: well - in the past we've also talked about hopefully being able to use some of these to cajole folks in to contributing resources ... | 20:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, all | 20:08 |
| ttx | sdague: ok, will copy more next time | 20:08 |
| sdague | ttx: all of them, just as baseline | 20:08 |
| johnsom | mordred Understand, it's a fine line I think we dance | 20:08 |
| mordred | johnsom: other companies may not realize that it would be good to get more humans on a thing - I _know_ everyone is always interested in the topic of lbaas | 20:08 |
| EmilienM | so do we agree to postpone it a little more until we discuss more about the script? | 20:08 |
| mordred | johnsom: totally agree | 20:09 |
| mordred | EmilienM: I'm good with postponing a bit | 20:09 |
| ttx | sure no urgency | 20:09 |
| zaneb | one problem with a hard threshold is that teams right on the threshold for one of the metrics will tend to bounce in and out | 20:09 |
| sdague | can we set a time table though? | 20:09 |
| dtroyer | This is an indicator, and it is doing its job in raising awareness in places not otherwise aware of the situation. | 20:09 |
| zaneb | some hysteresis might help here | 20:09 |
| fungi | zaneb: sort of a hysteresis? | 20:09 |
| sdague | zaneb: yeh, that's going to be true anywhere | 20:09 |
| dtroyer | zaneb: one reason for not running it weekly | 20:10 |
| EmilienM | #action postpone https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448667 and start discussion on how the script computes the diversity metrics | 20:10 |
| * mordred can provide hysteresis just by running around screaming, if it would help | 20:10 | |
| johnsom | Small teams, the cores are likely concentrated at a few organizations (we have three). | 20:10 |
| sdague | EmilienM: can we give it a date where we're going to move forward regardless | 20:10 |
| zaneb | yeah, so once a team has the tag, maybe give them a bit more leeway before losing it again | 20:10 |
| fungi | mordred: i think you meant hysteria? | 20:10 |
| johnsom | I will noodle and maybe propose something | 20:10 |
| mordred | johnsom: ++ | 20:10 |
| ttx | johnsom: well it's sure it's harder for small teams to be diverse | 20:10 |
| EmilienM | sdague: in 2 weeks max? | 20:11 |
| ttx | doesn't mean the tag definition is inaccurate | 20:11 |
| sdague | EmilienM: ++ | 20:11 |
| sdague | ttx: ++ | 20:11 |
| EmilienM | #undo | 20:11 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #action postpone https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448667 and start discussion on how the script computes the diversity metrics | 20:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | ttx: ++ | 20:11 |
| EmilienM | #action postpone https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448667 and start discussion on how the script computes the diversity metrics - take decision on the patch in the next 2 weeks | 20:11 |
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| EmilienM | #undo | 20:11 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #action postpone https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448667 and start discussion on how the script computes the diversity metrics - take decision on the patch in the next 2 weeks | 20:11 |
| EmilienM | #action postpone https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448667 | 20:11 |
| sdague | right, part of the reason for this tag to exist it for consumers to understand how robust the contributor field is behind a project, so that if one or more orgs close shop, what is the impact on the project | 20:12 |
| EmilienM | #action start discussion about how we compute diversity metrics | 20:12 |
| ttx | I think "diverse-affiliation" is a high bar and hard to reach. Was honestly surprised to see Octavia had it in the first place | 20:12 |
| EmilienM | #action take decision for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448667 in the next 2 weeks | 20:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: +1 for keeping that in mind here | 20:12 |
| sdague | because, we've totally had organizations actually close up shop | 20:12 |
| dims | ++ EmilienM | 20:12 |
| sdague | that's not a theoretical | 20:12 |
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| EmilienM | sdague: yes, agreed | 20:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | although small teams are had to keep the diverse tag, they are also more likely to be affected by one company walking away | 20:12 |
| johnsom | We were the #1 neutron sub-project based on the April 2016 survey.... | 20:12 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: ++ | 20:12 |
| sdague | johnsom: which is fine, that's a different axis | 20:13 |
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| johnsom | Agreed | 20:13 |
| EmilienM | johnsom: again, you shouldn't take this one as a bad news tbh | 20:13 |
| ttx | we could have some grace period | 20:13 |
| EmilienM | johnsom: I haven't seen any sigh of octavia being in bad shape | 20:13 |
| EmilienM | sign* | 20:13 |
| mordred | or sigh | 20:14 |
| johnsom | It is perceived as a path to getting booted from an official project..... | 20:14 |
| sdague | johnsom: why? | 20:14 |
| mordred | ah - well, we should work on changing that perception | 20:14 |
| EmilienM | johnsom: not at all | 20:14 |
| sdague | yeh, definitely not that | 20:14 |
| ttx | johnsom: fwiw most teams aren't diverse | 20:14 |
| mordred | that is definitely not the _intent_ | 20:14 |
| sdague | mordred: ++ | 20:14 |
| johnsom | I think it is confused with single vendor and it is part of the discussion to become a project | 20:14 |
| mordred | and, for the love of all that is good and holy, I think the _last_ thing any of us want to do is boot LBaaS out | 20:15 |
| EmilienM | we need to send a message that this tag doesn't make you a first class citizen | 20:15 |
| johnsom | Hahaha | 20:15 |
| EmilienM | it's just a number | 20:15 |
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| EmilienM | should we move on? | 20:15 |
| ttx | yes | 20:15 |
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| mordred | if anything it should be a message to member companies that maybe they need to allocate a human to work on a thing if they care about it | 20:15 |
| EmilienM | #topic Various repository moves | 20:15 |
| dims | please | 20:15 |
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| EmilienM | * Move DIB from TripleO to Infra | 20:15 |
| mtreinish | o/ | 20:15 |
| EmilienM | #link https://review.openstack.org/445617 | 20:15 |
| EmilienM | I didn't vote because I'm the author | 20:16 |
| EmilienM | but with my TC hat, +1 :) | 20:16 |
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| EmilienM | (and TripleO PTL hat) | 20:16 |
| greghaynes | I am guessing this is just a topic mistype but the intent is for us to not remove the repository fwiw | 20:16 |
| dims | was there some discussion on this in the infra meeting earlier? | 20:16 |
| fungi | yeah, we just re-discussed it in the infra meeting moments ago, so i'm good | 20:16 |
| sdague | these should be pretty rote right? just let ttx slam them all in | 20:16 |
| EmilienM | so far we have zero negative feedback until now | 20:16 |
| greghaynes | er | 20:16 |
| greghaynes | not move | 20:16 |
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| dims | :) | 20:16 |
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| ttx | good if both ptls are ok | 20:17 |
| EmilienM | ttx: ship it please | 20:17 |
| ttx | shipping | 20:17 |
| EmilienM | * Remove Gnocchi from Telemetry | 20:17 |
| EmilienM | #link https://review.openstack.org/447438 | 20:17 |
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| EmilienM | gordc: any last word? :) | 20:17 |
| EmilienM | (jd is offline) | 20:17 |
| dims | gordc : are you moving out of openstack ci infra as well? | 20:17 |
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| EmilienM | dims: AFIK yes | 20:18 |
| EmilienM | but I might have missed something | 20:18 |
| thingee | according to the email, that was eventually happening | 20:18 |
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| fungi | i read it as "might eventuaklly be in the cards" | 20:18 |
| dims | thanks EmilienM thingee - just curious | 20:18 |
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| fungi | it didn't sound like there were any immediate plans to relocate the repo | 20:18 |
| thingee | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/114300.html | 20:19 |
| thingee | "As a second step, the project will likely move out of the OpenStack infrastructure in the future." | 20:19 |
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| fungi | yeah, so no set timeline for that | 20:19 |
| EmilienM | ttx: ship it please, no blocker afik | 20:19 |
| dims | ++ | 20:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | just for clarity, we are not requiring them to stop using infra I assume? | 20:20 |
| ttx | I guess the only auestion is, are we happy to see it go, or should we fork it in openstack. | 20:20 |
| mordred | nope | 20:20 |
| clarkb | no they would essentially be "stackforge' at that point | 20:20 |
| ttx | I think I'm in the first camp | 20:20 |
| mordred | johnthetubaguy: that was for you - we are certainly not requiring hem to stop | 20:20 |
| dims | y happy to let go | 20:20 |
| mordred | ttx: I am too - I do not see any need to | 20:20 |
| fungi | for what it's worth, we did discuss a few weeks ago in boston that we need to take action to get rid of the perception that openstack is one monolithic thing you have to run all of | 20:20 |
| EmilienM | why forking it? | 20:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | mordred: clarkb: yeah, that was my hope, just wanted to make that clear | 20:20 |
| mtreinish | fungi: yeah, that's something I'd like to figure out how to fix | 20:21 |
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| fungi | so the concern raised in that review will one day, i hope, no longer be | 20:21 |
| ttx | EmilienM: well, if there were some people in openstack wanting to continue it... we'd be in a bind | 20:21 |
| ttx | and would probably have to fork it | 20:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | fungi: mtreinish: +1 talking more about constellations as sets of things that run together for particular use cases should help some, but thats a different discussion | 20:22 |
| EmilienM | ttx: AFICT, "people in openstack" who worked / work on Gnocchi are part of Gnocchi team and are happy with this move | 20:22 |
| ttx | (that's due to the "leave infra" part) | 20:22 |
| mordred | yah, just because a team wants to go away doesn't necessarily mean OpenStack as a whole feels the same way - imagine if the nova cores decided they wanted to take nova elsewhere | 20:22 |
| EmilienM | ttx: I never had the impression (unless I missed something) that someone wasn't happy and would eventually fork it | 20:22 |
| ttx | EmilienM: indeed, which is why I said, no problem in this case | 20:22 |
| mordred | I'm pretty sure we would _not_ just delete nova from infra and wash our hands of it - but in this case, I think there is no need for such a behavior | 20:22 |
| mtreinish | johnthetubaguy: this is somewhat independent of that I think. It's more a general perception that if it's a git repo in openstack/ you can't use it outside of openstack | 20:23 |
| ttx | but when am official deliverable leaves openstack infrastructure, I think it's good to check :) | 20:23 |
| mordred | their reasons for making the change all make sense | 20:23 |
| mordred | ttx: ++ | 20:23 |
| EmilienM | ship it! | 20:23 |
| mtreinish | I'm not sure constellations will help with that (but they might, I really don't know) | 20:23 |
| mordred | mtreinish: yah - we should also work on that perception | 20:23 |
| ttx | shipping | 20:23 |
| mordred | mtreinish: I mean, I do not think that I can't run statsd just because I don't work on etsy :) | 20:24 |
| gordc | EmilienM: sorry, you still need me? | 20:24 |
| ttx | shipped | 20:24 |
| EmilienM | gordc: too late :) | 20:24 |
| mordred | gordc: nope! you're all set | 20:24 |
| EmilienM | * Move castellan under Oslo governance | 20:24 |
| fungi | johnthetubaguy: more the thing we discussed where we should make it possible to run services independent of one another | 20:24 |
| EmilienM | #link https://review.openstack.org/449137 | 20:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | mtreinish: true, that is maybe wider | 20:24 |
| gordc | dims: i think eventually yes. this is mainly for formality right now. | 20:24 |
| dims | ack gordc | 20:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | fungi: so thats possible today, and people do it, I guess its just not talked about a whole bunch | 20:24 |
| fungi | johnthetubaguy: right | 20:24 |
| ttx | dims: looks like that one could use last-minute additions | 20:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | fungi: I was really suggesting we make those constellations (of maybe one), but that might be overkil | 20:25 |
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| EmilienM | gcb: any thoughts you want to share? | 20:25 |
| ttx | dims: to please gcb | 20:25 |
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| EmilienM | it's worth mentioning this spec in progress: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo.utils/+spec/adopt-castellan | 20:26 |
| dims | ack ttx : will rev the patch and get ok from gcb | 20:26 |
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| ttx | ok, and with the TC approval I'll merge the result | 20:27 |
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| ttx | whenever it has gcb +! | 20:27 |
| ttx | +1 | 20:27 |
| EmilienM | ttx: he already +1 fwiw | 20:27 |
| dims | @action Dims to follow up with Oslo PTL on Castellan review | 20:27 |
| dims | #action Dims to follow up with Oslo PTL on Castellan review | 20:27 |
| ttx | yeah, but I think it's better to fix the patch and approve it | 20:27 |
| dims | agree ttx | 20:28 |
| EmilienM | moving on | 20:28 |
| EmilienM | #topic Move shade into its own top-level team | 20:28 |
| EmilienM | #link https://review.openstack.org/446426 | 20:28 |
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| EmilienM | mordred: o/ | 20:28 |
| fungi | also just talked through this one in the infra meeting | 20:28 |
| mordred | this one has had an update to the commit message since last you voted on it | 20:28 |
| mordred | based on feedback in the infra meeting | 20:28 |
| EmilienM | mordred: so we're moving a bug to another place? :P | 20:28 |
| fungi | we're playing musical bugs | 20:29 |
| EmilienM | mordred: where you are the PTL of this bug? | 20:29 |
| EmilienM | sounds like a safe plan ;-) | 20:29 |
| mordred | mmm. bug orchestras | 20:29 |
| mordred | EmilienM: aren't I the PTL of all bugs? :) | 20:29 |
| EmilienM | Hi, I'm PTL of a bug | 20:29 |
| fungi | mordred: you're probably about to be at any rate | 20:30 |
| mordred | fungi: indeed | 20:30 |
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| EmilienM | fungi: is the namespace still ok? | 20:30 |
| EmilienM | I guess we don't want to mess with git migration? | 20:30 |
| * stevemar sneaks in | 20:30 | |
| mordred | yah - I'm concerned that would wind up breaking humans for no great reason | 20:30 |
| fungi | EmilienM: repo renames are painful, but also doable separately later if we really decide it's causing a problem | 20:30 |
| mordred | yah | 20:30 |
| dims | EmilienM : we can leave it to the infra team if/when they want to do the git migration | 20:30 |
| EmilienM | fair enough, just a random question | 20:31 |
| EmilienM | we have the quorum, ship it | 20:31 |
| dims | EmilienM : needed to be asked :) | 20:31 |
| ttx | /me ships | 20:31 |
| fungi | and as i mentioned in one of the review comments, it's not the first repo in the openstack-infra namespace which isn't an infra team deliverable | 20:31 |
| EmilienM | fungi: good to know | 20:31 |
| EmilienM | #topic Add tag assert:never-breaks-compat | 20:31 |
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| EmilienM | #link https://review.openstack.org/446561 | 20:31 |
| EmilienM | mordred: you again?? :) | 20:32 |
| mordred | yah - this one I think people had more concerns with | 20:32 |
| mordred | I think you all know I have extreme views on compatibility | 20:32 |
| mordred | this is an attempt to create an opt-in assertion for anyone who starts sharing them with me :) | 20:32 |
| EmilienM | I found the name weird tbh | 20:32 |
| mordred | EmilienM: I'm also _very_ bad at naming things | 20:32 |
| EmilienM | stevemar had a great proposal I think | 20:33 |
| mtreinish | mordred: how does this relate to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/418010/ ? | 20:33 |
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| mordred | basically - as I was looking at the standard-deprecation tag and applying it to shade, I was dismayed that it laid out concepts around removal that shade did not, in fact, share | 20:33 |
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| EmilienM | I liked assert:fully-compatible | 20:33 |
| mordred | mtreinish: it's very very similar | 20:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | do we have a team to start adopting this one? was it swift? | 20:34 |
| mtreinish | mordred: heh, that's what I was thinking as I started reading it | 20:34 |
| jroll | johnthetubaguy: probably shade :P | 20:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | jroll: heh | 20:34 |
| fungi | timely given that novaclient has just stopped supporting some nova-net features which may still be in heavy use in the wild | 20:35 |
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| mordred | johnthetubaguy: swift as so far not broken anything, although notmyname wasn't sure they wanted to assert it | 20:35 |
| sdague | mordred: ok, so before creating a wish list tag, is any team going to assert that? | 20:35 |
| mordred | fungi: those, in fact, broke shade for a second | 20:35 |
| mordred | sdague: I mean, shade is - but I konw that's only one team | 20:35 |
| notmyname | I agreed with clayg's comments on the review (which in large part were due to the name) | 20:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | mordred: do they know? the testing on this is really hard, I know you touch on that, did you want to include that | 20:35 |
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| ttx | I think we shouldn't create the tag until we want to encourage more projects to adopt it | 20:36 |
| mordred | johnthetubaguy: well - there's intent and then there is perfection in reality | 20:36 |
| notmyname | as of this point today, the swift team is not looking to assert this tag | 20:36 |
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| fungi | i feel like it's sufficient to declare that a project will try not to break backward compatibility and will consider any such breakage (even if not actively tested) an important bug worth fixing | 20:37 |
| mordred | for now this is about intent - the team asserts its intent is to not release breaking changes to its api | 20:37 |
| ttx | base question is, is that a behavior we ideally want all projects to have | 20:37 |
| mordred | fungi: ++ | 20:37 |
| dtroyer | ttx: I'm not sure we need that, it is another indicator of intent/status | 20:37 |
| sdague | I also think like it's a different story between a library and service, and the challenges of the 2 mean it's a little weird to lump them in | 20:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: thats a very good point | 20:38 |
| mordred | so - the reason I think they're the same, and that's it's valuable | 20:38 |
| JayF | I would also wonder if having a "super" we-don't-break-compatibility tag will water down the value of a project that has standard-deprecation. For instance, I could see an external force (like someone in management) wanting to push for the more impactful tag. | 20:38 |
| mordred | is that it's also entirely possible that teams value things like "cleaning things up" or "reducing maint burden" | 20:38 |
| mordred | which are other points of view that are held, from time to time, by various people | 20:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | never breaks requires basically infinite man power, at least feels that way as a service | 20:39 |
| dims | notmyname : were there any things in that review that did not sit well with the swift team? | 20:40 |
| mordred | johnthetubaguy: but if the service team doesn't do it- the end user has to | 20:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | mordred: I keep thinking about cloud pipe VPN as the example | 20:40 |
| mordred | the burden exists somewhere, because we aren't a single implementation of any of our services, but are instead a collection of differently versioned points in time of each service out in the world | 20:40 |
| fungi | definitely runs counter to the interest in the joint board/tc/uc meeting for dropping rarely-used options, features and backends to simplify service complexity | 20:40 |
| sdague | mordred: I definitely agree with you on the slider | 20:40 |
| thingee | I'm ok with the idea. I like that there is something that encourages and asserts this value of a project. | 20:41 |
| mordred | johnthetubaguy: yah - I mean, I don't thikn teams should start off with this | 20:41 |
| sdague | where there are things where either the service handles it or externalizes to all the users | 20:41 |
| notmyname | dims: in general, the absolute-ness of it. true, we do our best not to break clients. but sometimes it's a very fuzzy line to determine what "break" means | 20:41 |
| sdague | but *never* is a really strong word | 20:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: +1 on the slider, I am just not right up against the far end | 20:41 |
| notmyname | to quote the gerrit review from clayg: 'there should be a thing here for security too - like "when faced with a mistake and given the choice that either the behavior of the api changes to include a new restriction or it's impossible to use safely prefer to fix it"' | 20:41 |
| EmilienM | fungi: good point | 20:41 |
| dims | ack notmyname | 20:41 |
| sdague | notmyname: ++ | 20:41 |
| thingee | notmyname: agreed | 20:42 |
| mordred | notmyname: yah - I mean, I thought I had that in there already | 20:42 |
| notmyname | I think that's just one example where we do "break" compat, but it depends on what breaking means | 20:42 |
| mordred | but I'll definitely take another stab at making that much clearer - beause I totally agree with that | 20:42 |
| mordred | yup | 20:42 |
| dims | may be this language goes somewhere else as projects should aspire to be doing this | 20:42 |
| notmyname | another is when implementation is different than RFC. who's wrong? the client? the service? it's different at different times | 20:42 |
| fungi | my main issue is that it doesn't seem like it can actually be meaningful. does applying it now mean the project has never broken backward compatibility in the past? or just promises not to do so from now on? and only until they choose to remove the tag? can it be re-added again after that? "247 days since last api backward-compatibility breakage" | 20:42 |
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| notmyname | and we've made different calls at different times (and sometimes reverted) | 20:42 |
| sdague | fungi: right, past returns not indicative of future performance? | 20:43 |
| mordred | fungi: zomg. we need that badge | 20:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | mordred: so that API almost never worked on any cloud, probably has worked for years, no one dare test it, we can keep that behaviour today, but removing it might actually cause less user confusion... but I am agree its all about the users. | 20:43 |
| dims | fungi : if we don't make any changes in the repo :) | 20:43 |
| mordred | johnthetubaguy: yah. fair point | 20:44 |
| thingee | mordred: badge/sticker idea for shade | 20:44 |
| sdague | mordred: honestly, on the mission of helping more developers understand the cost of externalizing their API changes without compatibility, it feels like a description of the costs of that is maybe better than a tag | 20:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | mordred: I mean I am totally on your side in terms of getting the slider in the right place though | 20:44 |
| dims | ++ johnthetubaguy | 20:44 |
| mordred | ++ | 20:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: thats a top idea | 20:44 |
| mordred | to both of you | 20:44 |
| sdague | I feel like a lot of the heatedness during the API WG sessions at the PTG were because people really hadn't thought through | 20:44 |
| mordred | sdague: where should that go, do you think? | 20:45 |
| sdague | like "oh, then you have to make this change to ruby sdk, this go thing, this nodejs thing, etc" | 20:45 |
| sdague | mordred: that's a good question... api-wg repo maybe? | 20:45 |
| mordred | sdague: yah - that's probablya good place | 20:45 |
| * johnthetubaguy remembers the Nova v3.0 API debates... its really not obvious as it seems after you have the "ah ha moment" | 20:45 | |
| fungi | also, time check. 15 minutes remaining with another topic before open discussion | 20:46 |
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| EmilienM | fungi: indeed | 20:46 |
| EmilienM | mordred: can we move on? | 20:46 |
| EmilienM | mordred: and re-iterate next week probably | 20:46 |
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| mordred | EmilienM: yup | 20:46 |
| EmilienM | #topic Resolution on OpenStack's mission for cloud applications | 20:46 |
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| EmilienM | #link https://review.openstack.org/447031 | 20:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | mordred: sdague: that new API guidelines thing probably has 80/90% of that context thinking about it | 20:46 |
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| sdague | johnthetubaguy: maybe, I think there is more context here | 20:47 |
| dims | kudos to zaneb | 20:47 |
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| mordred | zaneb++ | 20:47 |
| EmilienM | zaneb: any comment on this one? | 20:47 |
| zaneb | dims: thanks for prompting me to do this :) | 20:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: +1 for there being some missing, totally needs checking | 20:47 |
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| zaneb | EmilienM: not much to add really. if anyone has questions I can try to answer 'em | 20:48 |
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| EmilienM | I think we miss one vote to ship it | 20:48 |
| dims | when we get this in, we should promote this mission statement heavily | 20:48 |
| sdague | zaneb: I guess my only question is how does paragraph 4 turn into concrete things | 20:49 |
| zaneb | I'm also interested in how we can get the whole community on board with this, not only the TC | 20:49 |
| mordred | zaneb: there are other people? | 20:49 |
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| zaneb | sdague: it's a balancing act between getting too concrete and failing to say anything at all | 20:50 |
| EmilienM | (I want to keep 7 min for open discussion fyi) | 20:50 |
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| mordred | zaneb: srrsly though - even just tweeting out the link to the published doc when it lands would be a good first step in folks seeing it / reading it / ingesting it | 20:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I have been thinking about including this kind of discussion as part of the VM & BM working group thing, for the next PTG | 20:50 |
| zaneb | sdague: feedback on the first draft was that it was too vague | 20:50 |
| mordred | johnthetubaguy: ++ | 20:51 |
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| dims | zaneb : the board and tc talked about adjacent communities which we turned around and running with it in the "go/containers" thread and actively finding people and proposals to expand on that. we need to do something similar | 20:51 |
| sdague | zaneb: yeh, I guess it feels like a bunch of keystone related effort, and it would be nice to have keystone community members bought in before the TC declares this a thing | 20:51 |
| sdague | I don't see any keystone folks in the the +1 list, right? | 20:51 |
| mtreinish | lbragstad: ^^^ | 20:52 |
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| zaneb | johnthetubaguy: that would be great. it might be worth discussing if there are any sessions we could organise at the Forum to get started too | 20:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: thats a very good point, more keystone +1 around that would be good | 20:52 |
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| lbragstad | mtreinish o/ | 20:52 |
| zaneb | sdague: I agree, although it's not _just_ keystone that needs to be on board | 20:52 |
| sdague | zaneb: sure | 20:53 |
| EmilienM | lbragstad: we're running out of time but it would be great if your team could have a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447031 | 20:53 |
| sdague | I just wouldn't want to land it without any keystone feedback | 20:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | zaneb: possibly, I was getting the vibes we wouldn't have enough of those project developers present to have a good discussion | 20:53 |
| EmilienM | sdague: +1 | 20:53 |
| sdague | EmilienM: can I propose we table until next week and make sure keystone folks throw in | 20:53 |
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| EmilienM | sdague: yes please | 20:53 |
| zaneb | mordred: https://twitter.com/zerobanana/status/842763247543640064 | 20:53 |
| lbragstad | EmilienM sdague awesome - i'll review today | 20:53 |
| dims | zaneb : let's throw this into general mailing list too and ask folks to vote | 20:53 |
| EmilienM | #action Get Keystone team to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447031 | 20:54 |
| zaneb | dims: ack, will send a mail today | 20:54 |
| sdague | zaneb: awesome | 20:54 |
| EmilienM | #topic Open discussion | 20:54 |
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| dims | thanks zaneb | 20:54 |
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| EmilienM | * Forum topics: http://forumtopics.openstack.org/ | 20:54 |
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| * dims has to run. will catch up on the meeting log | 20:54 | |
| EmilienM | I sent an email to tc ML about the sessions I created on behalf of the authord in the etherpad we have | 20:54 |
| ttx | Posted details about the TC+Board+UC meeting (and dinner) in Boston around summit | 20:55 |
| EmilienM | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-TC-brainstorming | 20:55 |
| EmilienM | if anyone who wrote a topic on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-TC-brainstorming wants to change the content on http://forumtopics.openstack.org/ - please let me know | 20:55 |
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| ttx | I was thinking about a "should Stackalytics die" session. Does that sound like a good idea ? | 20:55 |
| EmilienM | floor is open to questions and feedback or any other topic! | 20:55 |
| notmyname | ttx: yes. also, it's a good forum topic ;-) | 20:56 |
| mtreinish | ttx: does anyone think we shouldn't kill it? | 20:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | EmilienM: I did mean to reply to you, honest, just not had chance | 20:56 |
| EmilienM | ttx: maybe not die, but evolve | 20:56 |
| thingee | mtreinish: you'll have to attend the session to find out! | 20:56 |
| EmilienM | johnthetubaguy: you don't have to worry | 20:56 |
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| ttx | EmilienM: all metrics used to compare performance will result in gaming amd incentivize bad behavior | 20:57 |
| jroll | stackalytics is super nice for some quick information discovery, e.g. finding out if cores are pulling their weight and such. I do wonder if the downstream abuse outweighs those benefits | 20:57 |
| ttx | so that evolution would need to be very close to death | 20:57 |
| fungi | mtreinish: it fills the gap of having some sort of central statistics so that every member company doesn't feel obliged to publish their own conflicting community involvement metrics, at least | 20:57 |
| jroll | I used it all the time as PTL | 20:57 |
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| EmilienM | jroll: same thing. Very useful to find out who in the team makes good progress on reviews, etc | 20:57 |
| thingee | I still use russellb's stats | 20:57 |
| thingee | even if it doesn't update | 20:58 |
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| lbragstad | thingee ++ same here | 20:58 |
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| ttx | fungi: we/Foundation would need to produce some official stats to compensate | 20:58 |
| dtroyer | these are all uses that are great, but done by people who understand what they are looking at. | 20:58 |
| jroll | thingee: sure, stackalytics can give you different views on the data though. especially when you have lots of projects under one umbrella (neutron, ironic,e tc) | 20:58 |
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| JayF | I'm not even sure I understand what the percieved value would be of killing Stackalytics. If downstream managers want to use bad metrics, they'll use bad metrics whether provided by stackalytics or not. | 20:58 |
| ttx | OK, sounds like an interesting discussion, will propose | 20:58 |
| fungi | ttx: yep. and i guess not outsource that stats collection to a third party like we tried in the past? | 20:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | jroll: ++ | 20:58 |
| sdague | fungi: ++ | 20:58 |
| jroll | JayF: good point, I'd love to see more context | 20:59 |
| clarkb | JayF: there is likely an argument that we shouldn't enable it though | 20:59 |
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| lbragstad | jroll ++ another data point doesn't really hurt | 20:59 |
| EmilienM | fungi: agreed. | 20:59 |
| JayF | I don't think removing stackalytics would change any downstream behaviors, honestly. And there are clearly upstream use cases for it (see comments made in here already) | 20:59 |
| sdague | JayF: ++ | 20:59 |
| ttx | JayF: remove bad incentives, mostly | 20:59 |
| EmilienM | I'm about to close the meeting | 20:59 |
| jroll | it'll just make managers ask me to gather stats :P | 20:59 |
| sdague | jroll: ++ | 20:59 |
| fungi | granted, openstack doesn't officially run stackalytics (yet anyway). it's not an official project and it's provided by one company | 20:59 |
| JayF | ttx: I promise, management is creative enough to find new bad incentives | 20:59 |
| EmilienM | thanks all for giving me the change to do it ;-) | 20:59 |
| sdague | yeh, pretty much | 20:59 |
| JayF | jroll: ++++ | 20:59 |
| EmilienM | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 28 21:00:01 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2017/tc.2017-03-28-20.01.html | 21:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | JayF ++ | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2017/tc.2017-03-28-20.01.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2017/tc.2017-03-28-20.01.log.html | 21:00 |
| ttx | JayF: A lot of Chinese contributors, for example, think of Stackalytics as reflecting value and do not contribute where they should | 21:00 |
| jroll | EmilienM: thanks for hosting! | 21:00 |
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| ttx | EmilienM: thx! | 21:00 |
| JayF | ttx: Yeah. That's a problem, I just don't think killing stackalytics changes that. | 21:00 |
| sdague | ttx: yeh, but lacking stackalytics, some internal person would build tests with gitdm or random script instead | 21:00 |
| EmilienM | I suggest using #openstack-dev | 21:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: ++ | 21:00 |
| JayF | sdague: ++ exactly | 21:00 |
| sdague | having maintained a gitdm fork before... I can guaruntee that will be the case | 21:01 |
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| ttx | sdague: except stackalytics is now broken and nobody steps up to fix it | 21:01 |
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| ttx | anyway, need to run | 21:01 |
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