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| hongbin | #startmeeting zun | 03:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 4 03:00:02 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 03:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zun' | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zun#Agenda_for_2017-03-28_0300_UTC Today's agenda | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #topic Roll Call | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
| mkrai | Madhuri Kumari | 03:00 |
| lakerzhou | Bin Zhou | 03:00 |
| hongbin | thanks for joining the meeting mkrai lakerzhou | 03:01 |
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| hongbin | i know today is the chinese holiday, it seems some chinese folks are not able to join | 03:01 |
| hongbin | let's have a short meeting this week | 03:01 |
| hongbin | #topic Cinder integration (diga) | 03:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cinder integration (diga) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:02 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/cinder-zun-integration The BP | 03:02 |
| Shunli | hehe | 03:02 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/429943/ | 03:02 |
| hongbin | Shunli: hi, thanks for joining | 03:02 |
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| hongbin | diga told me he is not able to join today | 03:03 |
| hongbin | he said he will submit a revision of the patch above to pass the gate | 03:03 |
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| hongbin | that is all from him | 03:03 |
| hongbin | any question about that? | 03:03 |
| mkrai | No | 03:03 |
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| Shunli | no | 03:04 |
| hongbin | ok, next topic :) | 03:04 |
| hongbin | #topic Kuryr integration (hongbin) | 03:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kuryr integration (hongbin) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:04 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/kuryr-integration The BP | 03:04 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447732/ | 03:04 |
| mkrai | The spec looks good to me | 03:04 |
| hongbin | i saw mkrai has given a +2 | 03:04 |
| mkrai | I think we can go ahead with implementation | 03:04 |
| hongbin | agree | 03:05 |
| hongbin | i will start the implementation this week | 03:05 |
| mkrai | Let me know if i can help in anyway | 03:05 |
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| hongbin | mkrai: i am going to do the first patch by hard-coding the network model, then you can take over to make the network model implemented | 03:06 |
| Shunli | i can help also if you need. | 03:06 |
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| mkrai | Ok thanks i will wait for your patch | 03:06 |
| hongbin | mkrai: ok | 03:06 |
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| hongbin | Shunli: ack, i will see if anything i need a hand for that | 03:07 |
| Shunli | ok. thx | 03:07 |
| hongbin | ok, next topic | 03:07 |
| hongbin | #topic Introduce host capabilities and cpusets (sudipto) | 03:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Introduce host capabilities and cpusets (sudipto) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:07 | |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427007/ The spec | 03:07 |
| hongbin | this one doesn't seem to have any progress last week | 03:08 |
| hongbin | will ping sudipta about that this week | 03:08 |
| hongbin | any question? | 03:08 |
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| Shunli | The scheduler filters also depend on the host capabilities. | 03:08 |
| hongbin | Shunli: i see | 03:09 |
| Shunli | If sudipto has no time to work on this, maybe i can help | 03:09 |
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| hongbin | Shunli: ok, glad to hear that | 03:10 |
| hongbin | Shunli: i will coordinate about it | 03:10 |
| Shunli | ok. thx hongbin | 03:10 |
| hongbin | #action hongbin send an email to sudipta for coordinating the host capability work with Shunli | 03:10 |
| hongbin | Shunli: thanks for the offer | 03:11 |
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| hongbin | ok, next topic | 03:11 |
| hongbin | #topic Introduce container composition | 03:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Introduce container composition (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:11 | |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437759/ | 03:11 |
| hongbin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zun-container-composition | 03:11 |
| hongbin | Kevin told me that he is not able to join todya due to holiday | 03:12 |
| hongbin | he asked us to review the spec and the draft design in the etherpad | 03:12 |
| mkrai | Is the etherpad updated? | 03:12 |
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| mkrai | I will have a look at the etherpad | 03:13 |
| hongbin | mkrai: i think the etherpad is updated, he added a sample pod manifest | 03:13 |
| mkrai | Ok will check | 03:13 |
| hongbin | we can spend sometime to take a look at the etherpad now, since we have times today | 03:14 |
| mkrai | I won't be able to check now as I am online through phone | 03:14 |
| hongbin | i see | 03:14 |
| mkrai | Stuck in traffic | 03:14 |
| hongbin | ok, let's take it offline | 03:15 |
| mkrai | Thanks | 03:15 |
| hongbin | #topic Open Discussion | 03:15 |
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| hongbin | Shunli: lakerzhou : you have any topic to bring up? | 03:15 |
| Shunli | hongbin:no | 03:16 |
| lakerzhou | no, I don't have anything | 03:16 |
| hongbin | ack | 03:16 |
| hongbin | lakerzhou: you want to give a brief upldate about the snapshot work? | 03:16 |
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| lakerzhou | Yes, hongbin | 03:16 |
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| lakerzhou | I am continuing work on update the glance image | 03:17 |
| lakerzhou | now, I have coding done, and working on testing codes now | 03:17 |
| lakerzhou | should have it for review in the next couple of days | 03:17 |
| hongbin | sound like a good progress :) | 03:17 |
| lakerzhou | thanks for the helps from mkrai | 03:18 |
| mkrai | Great lakerzhou | 03:18 |
| mkrai | :) | 03:18 |
| mkrai | Hongbin please have a look at the delete async patch | 03:18 |
| hongbin | mkrai: sure | 03:18 |
| mkrai | Thanks | 03:19 |
| hongbin | welcome | 03:19 |
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| hongbin | ok, sounds like we can end the meeting now. all , thanks for joining | 03:19 |
| hongbin | see you next week | 03:19 |
| mkrai | Thanks all | 03:19 |
| hongbin | #endmeeting | 03:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 03:19 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 4 03:19:59 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:20 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-04-04-03.00.html | 03:20 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-04-04-03.00.txt | 03:20 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-04-04-03.00.log.html | 03:20 |
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| samP | Hi.. all for masakari meeting | 04:00 |
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| samP | hi o/ | 04:00 |
| rkmrHonjo | hi | 04:00 |
| tpatil | Hi | 04:00 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | Hi all | 04:00 |
| samP | let's start | 04:00 |
| abhishek_k | o/ | 04:01 |
| samP | #startmeeting masakari | 04:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 4 04:01:01 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is samP. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 04:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'masakari' | 04:01 |
| samP | hi all | 04:01 |
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| samP | #topic critical bugs | 04:01 |
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| samP | #link log translations https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447810/ | 04:02 |
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| rkmrHonjo | Some projects had already agree with removing translations. So I think that we can agree this patch. | 04:02 |
| sagara | hi | 04:02 |
| rkmrHonjo | sagara: hi | 04:03 |
| tpatil | I think all logs are translated using zanata tool, correct? | 04:03 |
| samP | rkmrHonjo: yes.. however nova doing it bit different way | 04:03 |
| samP | sagara: hi | 04:03 |
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| samP | here is how nova do it, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448293 | 04:04 |
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| samP | tpatil: use zanata is confirmed? | 04:06 |
| tpatil | Masakari code base is small so we can remove all the usages of _LI/_LW/_LE/_LC | 04:06 |
| samP | tpatil: agree | 04:07 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor | Here is the guideline: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446762/ | 04:07 |
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| samP | Dinesh_Bhor: thanks | 04:08 |
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| samP | I would like to have HACKING check for this.. | 04:09 |
| samP | if no objections let move forward with that patch for removing all the _LI/_LW/_LE/_LC | 04:09 |
| tpatil | Sure, I will add this hacking check | 04:09 |
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| samP | tpatil: thanks | 04:09 |
| rkmrHonjo | samP: No objections. | 04:10 |
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| samP | rkmrHonjo: thanks | 04:10 |
| tpatil | samP: I agree to merge the patch | 04:10 |
| sagara | me too | 04:10 |
| rkmrHonjo | I and Takahara will start to remove tranlations from masakari-monitors, masakariclient, and add hacking check after tpatil. | 04:10 |
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| samP | rkmrHonjo: that will be great.. | 04:11 |
| samP | I remove my -1 and put +2 for the patch | 04:11 |
| samP | OK then, lets move to next item.. | 04:12 |
| samP | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/masakari/+bug/1663513 | 04:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1663513 in masakari "Masakari failed to rescue PAUSED instances" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Dinesh Bhor (dinesh-bhor) | 04:12 |
| samP | About this bug, I put a comment in LP | 04:12 |
| samP | IMO, for PAUSED or SUSPENDED VMs, doing nothing would be a acceptable solution | 04:14 |
| sagara | samP: I agree | 04:14 |
| samP | Because, if we start a PAUSED or SUSPENDED server, then we might change the internal status of the VM | 04:15 |
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| sagara | And I think PAUSED or SUSPENDED VMs has a reason to be stopped. so I think doing nothing is good | 04:16 |
| samP | I like Dinesh's idea.. but its not applicable to all the cases | 04:16 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | yes, I agree on doing nothing for this case | 04:17 |
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| tpatil | samP: I agree with option #B i.e to skip recovery action when vm is in PAUSED or SUSPENDED state | 04:17 |
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| samP | great, however we need to inform operator about this issue via log | 04:17 |
| tpatil | samP: Yes | 04:18 |
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| samP | so, action would be Skip the recovery and create a warning log entry about this incident | 04:19 |
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| samP | Now we all agree how to fix this.. thanks..lets fix this. | 04:20 |
| samP | Any other bugs to discuss? | 04:20 |
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| rkmrHonjo | no. | 04:22 |
| samP | BTW, Hiroki Ito is doing some tests in MasakariCI and he send a dummy patch "CI TEST - do not merge" | 04:22 |
| samP | please neglect it.. | 04:22 |
| tpatil | Sure | 04:22 |
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| samP | If no other bugs, then lets jump in to Discussion points | 04:23 |
| samP | #topic Discussion points | 04:23 |
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| samP | I start to write recovery-method-customization, but I couldn't finish it... | 04:24 |
| samP | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/masakari-recovery-method-customization | 04:24 |
| samP | I will try to complete it before our next meeting..sorry | 04:24 |
| sagara | Thank you for writing, after you finished writing, we develop that | 04:25 |
| samP | sagara: thanks.. | 04:25 |
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| samP | In pike work items, "Use openstack resource agents for monitor compute nodes" L51 | 04:26 |
| samP | I had a discussion with openstack HA team, and they are willing to help us to implement this | 04:27 |
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| rkmrHonjo | samP: Can I read the logs of discussion? | 04:28 |
| samP | rkmrHonjo: wait.. | 04:28 |
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| samP | rkmrHonjo: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-ha/%23openstack-ha.2017-03-29.log.html | 04:29 |
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| rkmrHonjo | samp: Thanks. | 04:30 |
| samP | tomorrow we have ha meeting at 6:00pm JST | 04:30 |
| samP | if you are interesting about this topic, you can get into the discussion. I will be there. | 04:31 |
| rkmrHonjo | samP: I will watch it if possible. | 04:31 |
| samP | rkmrHonjo: sure... | 04:31 |
| samP | #link openstack-ha meeting http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#High_Availability_Meeting | 04:32 |
| samP | here is the meeting time.. | 04:32 |
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| samP | OK then, any other Discussion points? | 04:32 |
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| rkmrHonjo | no. | 04:33 |
| samP | lets move to AOB | 04:33 |
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| samP | #topic AOB | 04:34 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor | Yes, About this from pike work items:Enable OpenStack proposal bot for masakari projects | 04:34 |
| samP | Dinesh_Bhor: go ahead | 04:34 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | python-masakariclient needs to be added in gloabl-requirements | 04:34 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor | so that bot job will sync requirements of masakari-monitors | 04:35 |
| samP | Dinesh_Bhor: good point..thanks | 04:35 |
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| samP | rkmrHonjo: is it possible for you to add this? | 04:36 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | I do see this:https://github.com/openstack/masakari-monitors/blob/master/requirements.txt#L15 "*.dev5" requirement. I don't see such requirement specified in global-requirement | 04:37 |
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| rkmrHonjo | samP: OK, I try it. | 04:37 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor | rkmrHonjo: thanks, if not let me know. I will do that | 04:38 |
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| samP | Dinesh_Bhor: Its not in the global requirement now.. | 04:39 |
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| tpatil | samP: It's needs to be added here: https://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/master/global-requirements.txt | 04:39 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor | and the respective upper constraints should be added here:https://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/master/upper-constraints.txt | 04:40 |
| rkmrHonjo | Dinesh_Bhor: The reason of specifying "*.dev5" is that current pypi version is that. : https://pypi.python.org/pypi/python-masakariclient/ | 04:41 |
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| samP | rkmrHonjo: Dinesh_Bhor I will fix that.. | 04:41 |
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| rkmrHonjo | samP: Thanks. Sorry for talking about it late. | 04:42 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | rkmrHonjo: ok thanks for clarifying | 04:42 |
| samP | its because manual upload of pip pkgs.. I will fix that | 04:42 |
| samP | I will update the bot to do that.. | 04:42 |
| samP | I will put stable and bot will update the current one and future tags. that will fix the problem.. | 04:43 |
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| samP | any other topics? | 04:44 |
| samP | if not, we can end the meeting bit early.. | 04:44 |
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| sagara | I have no topic | 04:45 |
| rkmrHonjo | me too. | 04:46 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | nothing from me | 04:46 |
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| tpatil | No more topics to be discussed from my side | 04:47 |
| samP | OK then, let's end the meeting here.. | 04:47 |
| samP | Thank you all.... | 04:47 |
| sagara | thanks | 04:47 |
| samP | #endmeeting | 04:47 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | thanks all, bye | 04:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 4 04:47:39 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 04:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-04-04-04.01.html | 04:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-04-04-04.01.txt | 04:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-04-04-04.01.log.html | 04:47 |
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| samP | bye | 04:47 |
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| yamamoto | #startmeeting networking_midonet | 07:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 4 07:01:44 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yamamoto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_midonet)" | 07:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_midonet' | 07:01 |
| yamamoto | hi | 07:02 |
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| yamamoto | it seems that this is the first meeting in 2017! | 07:03 |
| yamamoto | i guess it makes sense to consider cancelling this meeting. | 07:03 |
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| yamamoto | if anyone want to keep this, please speak up, either offline or online. | 07:04 |
| yamamoto | i want to move the slot at least, as i have an overlapping schedule these days. | 07:05 |
| yamamoto | #topic Bugs | 07:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: networking_midonet)" | 07:06 | |
| yamamoto | the gate is broken right now. | 07:06 |
| yamamoto | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/452888/ | 07:07 |
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| yamamoto | at least this change needs to be in. but there seems other breakage as well. | 07:07 |
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| yamamoto | #topic Open Discussion | 07:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: networking_midonet)" | 07:09 | |
| * yamamoto waiting a few mins before closing | 07:09 | |
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| yamamoto | bye! | 07:15 |
| yamamoto | #endmeeting | 07:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 07:15 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 4 07:15:46 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:15 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_midonet/2017/networking_midonet.2017-04-04-07.01.html | 07:15 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_midonet/2017/networking_midonet.2017-04-04-07.01.txt | 07:15 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_midonet/2017/networking_midonet.2017-04-04-07.01.log.html | 07:15 |
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| kota_ | #startmeeting storlets | 08:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 4 08:00:34 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kota_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storlets)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storlets' | 08:00 |
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| kota_ | who one attends today's meeting? | 08:00 |
| takashi | o/ | 08:01 |
| kota_ | takashi: o/ | 08:01 |
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| takashi | kota_: hi | 08:01 |
| kota_ | I'm glad to see you again here | 08:01 |
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| takashi | kota_: me too | 08:01 |
| kota_ | eranrom is absent today | 08:01 |
| takashi | kota_: ok, np | 08:02 |
| kota_ | do you know either sagara or akihito comming in? | 08:02 |
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| kota_ | ah, | 08:02 |
| kota_ | looks like akihit is absent too | 08:02 |
| kota_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Storlets | 08:03 |
| takashi | kota_: I don't know, and I can't touch them easily now as I'm sitting in the another room, sorry | 08:03 |
| kota_ | alright | 08:03 |
| kota_ | let's get started | 08:03 |
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| takashi | kota_: sure | 08:04 |
| kota_ | today, I cannot find specific topics in the agenda | 08:04 |
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| kota_ | so go to open discussion | 08:04 |
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| kota_ | #topic open-discussion | 08:04 |
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| takashi | kota_: thx | 08:04 |
| kota_ | can i say at first? | 08:04 |
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| takashi | kota_: sure. go ahead | 08:04 |
| kota_ | takashi: thanks for looking at https://review.openstack.org/452673 yesterday | 08:05 |
| kota_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/452673 | 08:05 |
| kota_ | and it seems like it got merged a few minutes before you're back again :/ | 08:05 |
| takashi | kota_: I saw that eranrom just landed it | 08:06 |
| takashi | kota_: yes | 08:06 |
| kota_ | and it looks you had commented | 08:06 |
| kota_ | so we should not keep open_writer method there ;-) | 08:06 |
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| takashi | kota_: I think it is not so critical, so ok for landing the patch at now as it is now | 08:07 |
| takashi | but, as I wrote a comment on the patch, the open_writer func is so trivial that there seems no need to keep it there... :-( | 08:07 |
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| takashi | as it is just a contextmanager wrapping a single contextmanager | 08:08 |
| kota_ | takashi: I think so and the reason why I didn't remove it is for keeping current unit tests as it is as possible | 08:08 |
| kota_ | yup | 08:08 |
| takashi | kota_: I see | 08:08 |
| kota_ | to remove the method seems to make us more code change on the test | 08:08 |
| kota_ | so separating it to the py3 fix is better i thought | 08:09 |
| takashi | kota_: absolutely | 08:09 |
| takashi | I think the refactoring is another thing, so now it sounds better for me to do that in another cleaning up work. | 08:09 |
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| kota_ | yup and the fix landed so let's refactor there | 08:09 |
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| kota_ | next, in the last week, I spended time to review ipython extension proposed by eranrom | 08:10 |
| kota_ | the original patch is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/416089/ | 08:11 |
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| takashi | I saw some patches related to ipython work proposed to gerrit | 08:11 |
| kota_ | but it seems eranrom squash up any follow-up patches into https://review.openstack.org/#/c/452649/ | 08:11 |
| sagara | hi | 08:12 |
| kota_ | so note that patch 416089 is stale for now I think | 08:12 |
| kota_ | sagara: hi :D | 08:12 |
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| takashi | sagra: o/ | 08:13 |
| kota_ | takashi: that's just notation for reviews | 08:13 |
| kota_ | and that's all from me today | 08:13 |
| takashi | kota_: you mean all of the other small patches except patch 452649 will be abandoned, right? | 08:13 |
| kota_ | takashi, sagara: there is something for you? | 08:13 |
| kota_ | takashi: i think so, not yet making sure | 08:14 |
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| takashi | kota_: ok | 08:14 |
| sagara | nothing. sorry | 08:14 |
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| takashi | no big updates from my side. I think the first thing I should do is to update patch 406620 | 08:14 |
| takashi | because this has been a big blocker for other works in agents | 08:15 |
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| takashi | I've already checked the comment by you, kota_, and will address them | 08:15 |
| kota_ | takashi: thank you! | 08:15 |
| kota_ | i think the blocker is where the *halt* command should be defined | 08:16 |
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| kota_ | if i remember correctly | 08:16 |
| takashi | kota_: yes | 08:16 |
| takashi | I think I should make it more clear what is the 'common' thing among all (possible) agents | 08:17 |
| kota_ | ok | 08:17 |
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| sagara | > takashi, sagara: there is something for you? sorry. I misunderstood. I have not noticed talking context. | 08:18 |
| kota_ | sagara: ah, just asking topics you want to bring here | 08:18 |
| takashi | sagara: we don't have special topics for today, so he's just asking if we have any topics for discussion | 08:19 |
| takashi | kota_: yes | 08:19 |
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| sagara | ok | 08:19 |
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| kota_ | and i thought you answered... "nothing"? | 08:19 |
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| kota_ | sagara:^^ | 08:21 |
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| sagara | I confused :-) | 08:22 |
| takashi | sagara: do you have any topics. I already talked about my all topics (just about agent refactoring) | 08:24 |
| takashi | s/topics./topics?/ | 08:24 |
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| sagara | no topic! | 08:24 |
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| kota_ | ok | 08:25 |
| kota_ | thanks for attending the meeting and working on storlets | 08:25 |
| kota_ | #endmeeting | 08:25 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 4 08:25:17 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storlets/2017/storlets.2017-04-04-08.00.html | 08:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storlets/2017/storlets.2017-04-04-08.00.txt | 08:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storlets/2017/storlets.2017-04-04-08.00.log.html | 08:25 |
| takashi | thx | 08:25 |
| sagara | bye | 08:25 |
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| igordcard | #startmeeting network_common_flow_classifier | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 4 14:00:01 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is igordcard. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: network_common_flow_classifier)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'network_common_flow_classifier' | 14:00 |
| igordcard | hi all | 14:00 |
| igordcard | let's wait 2 minutes for people | 14:00 |
| davidsha | Hi | 14:00 |
| igordcard | hi davidsha | 14:00 |
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| bcafarel | hi folks | 14:01 |
| igordcard | hi bcafarel | 14:01 |
| davidsha | bcafarel: Hey | 14:01 |
| igordcard | how's the weather bcafarel ? | 14:01 |
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| igordcard | tmorin offline, others in the fwaas meeting | 14:02 |
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| igordcard | pcarver: ping | 14:02 |
| bcafarel | igordcard: almost good enough to attend the meeting outside :) (but almost) | 14:02 |
| reedip | o/ | 14:02 |
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| igordcard | hi reedip | 14:03 |
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| bcafarel | tmorin was in US time zone last week, maybe coming back home | 14:03 |
| reedip | hi all ... | 14:03 |
| bcafarel | hello reedip | 14:03 |
| davidsha | reedip: hey | 14:03 |
| igordcard | alright | 14:04 |
| igordcard | agenda: | 14:04 |
| igordcard | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/CommonFlowClassifier#Discussion_Topic_4_April_2017 | 14:04 |
| igordcard | #topic PoC status | 14:04 |
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| igordcard | davidsha has published the PoC about 3 weeks ago | 14:04 |
| igordcard | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445577/ | 14:04 |
| igordcard | I'm slowly reviewing it but should finish soon | 14:05 |
| igordcard | one thing I'd like to ask is for some quick instructions on how to deploy it | 14:05 |
| igordcard | I only tried pointing at the devstack plugin, but stacking failed and I moved on | 14:05 |
| davidsha | igordcard: you just need to add it to the list of service plugins I think, give me 1 sec | 14:05 |
| igordcard | np, add some info to the commit message perhaps | 14:06 |
| davidsha | ack | 14:06 |
| igordcard | it might also be failing because of the recent neutron commits | 14:06 |
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| igordcard | hi tmorin | 14:06 |
| tmorin | hi igordcard, hi eveyrone | 14:07 |
| davidsha | kk, I'll need to fill out the other resource types and put in the classification groups. | 14:07 |
| reedip | you need to consider the neutronlib migration as well , I think thats what davidsha is pointing to | 14:07 |
| davidsha | hi tmorin | 14:07 |
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| igordcard | tmorin: you didn't lose much: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/network_common_flow_classifier/2017/network_common_flow_classifier.2017-04-04-14.00.log.txt | 14:07 |
| tmorin | hi davidsha :) | 14:07 |
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| igordcard | davidsha: so the PoC has some initial Classification Types | 14:08 |
| reedip | morning tmorin | 14:08 |
| tmorin | hi reedip | 14:08 |
| igordcard | davidsha: and not grouping yet , right? | 14:08 |
| davidsha | igordcard: IPV4 is the only one that works in PoC | 14:09 |
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| igordcard | davidsha: OK | 14:09 |
| igordcard | davidsha: API, CLI, service plugin all there as far as I understand | 14:09 |
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| davidsha | igordcard: yup, I may remove the neutron client stuff once I get the Openstack client stuff working. | 14:10 |
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| igordcard | davidsha: I have some pending comments, I'll drop them now on the review and do a deeper review later | 14:10 |
| davidsha | kk, there is also RPC stuff so l2-extensions can retrieve the classifications using the id | 14:11 |
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| igordcard | davidsha: oh right, the RPC conversation is an interesting one | 14:11 |
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| igordcard | which should be addressed in the spec too | 14:11 |
| igordcard | I'll add a TODO there | 14:11 |
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| davidsha | If you guys get the chance it would be great to get your feedback on the PoC: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445577/1 | 14:13 |
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| igordcard | alright, anything else regarding the PoC? perhaps someone would like to contribute a Consuming Service PoC :p ? | 14:14 |
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| davidsha | igordcard: I had started a dscp patch to consume it. but it will need more work. | 14:15 |
| igordcard | great davidsha | 14:16 |
| igordcard | moving on... | 14:16 |
| igordcard | #topic Live discussion of some of the spec's pending debates | 14:16 |
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| igordcard | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333993/ | 14:16 |
| igordcard | this is the spec, your feedback is highly valuable so make sure to review it | 14:16 |
| igordcard | there are certain pending questions/debates and, unless someone gets there and provides alternative solutions, the solutions that we are converging to will become final decisions | 14:17 |
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| tmorin | davidsha: I'll put it on my list, but not promising when I'll have a look | 14:17 |
| igordcard | so let's start with the question of validating classifications | 14:17 |
| davidsha | tmorin: thanks | 14:18 |
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| igordcard | we are trending towards not having any kind of classification validation at the CCF side | 14:18 |
| igordcard | (except basic attribute checking, of course) | 14:19 |
| igordcard | it will be up to Consuming Services to validate before consuming, and where and how they do it is completely out of scope | 14:19 |
| tmorin | I already commented on the spec: +1 to that | 14:20 |
| igordcard | I'll give you a couple of minutes to comment here, I understand some people are also watching or participating on the fwaas meeting | 14:20 |
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| reedip | :) | 14:20 |
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| reedip | yeah igordcard : I think I will review the spec once more ( I saw it some days earlier but havent seen the latest iteration ) | 14:21 |
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| igordcard | I hope to submit a new version this week | 14:21 |
| igordcard | alright, let's move on to the question of grouping classifications together | 14:22 |
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| igordcard | we have 2 main possibilities right now: AND grouping only or AND/OR/NOT as defended by ihar | 14:23 |
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| igordcard | I'd prefer not to start with fully fledged AND/OR/NOT yet, and I'm not sure existing potential Consuming Services need that | 14:24 |
| reedip | igordcard, but we need to ensure that we dont push ourselves to a corner with AND :) | 14:25 |
| igordcard | reedip: yeah... the data model should be almost AND/OR/NOT -compatible | 14:25 |
| igordcard | reedip: a small change and api extension should make it possible to enable AND/OR/NOT | 14:25 |
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| reedip | igordcard : it would be best if we can do the change before the official P release , just saying to avoid migration:) | 14:26 |
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| igordcard | I'll think a bit more about how much work is truly needed to support AND/OR/NOT from day one, if it isn't that much let's do it - before the official P release yeah | 14:26 |
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| reedip | :) | 14:28 |
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| igordcard | the spec doesn't yet specify anything about classification groups, but the next patchset will | 14:28 |
| igordcard | let's move on to the question of having special "modifiers" as part of the classification resource | 14:28 |
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| igordcard | the trend seems to be to not having modifiers | 14:29 |
| igordcard | making it out of scope and have the CSs add their own modifiers | 14:29 |
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| davidsha | igordcard: as in update existing classifications? | 14:29 |
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| igordcard | so a modifier would be something common to the whole Classification | 14:30 |
| igordcard | instead of a type-dependent attribute | 14:30 |
| igordcard | like a direction | 14:30 |
| davidsha | igordcard: kk, ack | 14:30 |
| igordcard | Classification X: type:{def}; direction; other-modifier;... | 14:31 |
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| igordcard | but then it also begs the question: is a modifier compatible with any possible type defined? | 14:31 |
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| igordcard | hi ralonsoh | 14:33 |
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| davidsha | igordcard: in the direction example I don't believe so, particularly when some of the classification have explicit source and destination addresses | 14:33 |
| tmorin | igordcard: sorry for the delayed answer: I think the spec could describe the fullfledge AND/OR/NOT-compound groups, but that we can then give a lower priority to implementing OR and NOT and "recursivity" in compound groups | 14:33 |
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| igordcard | tmorin: alright, I'll investigate that further.. I'm concerned that it might significantly impact the implementation, and delay | 14:35 |
| igordcard | davidsha: yeah that's an example | 14:36 |
| tmorin | igordcard: the real question is whether or not we can delay the implementation of the fullfledged combination | 14:36 |
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| igordcard | tmorin: if the delay is between ccf v1 and ccf v2, it's fine but we'll have an api extension just for that | 14:37 |
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| igordcard | v1 is aimed at Pike | 14:38 |
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| igordcard | if there are no further requests about modifiers/common attributes, I'll make that explicitly out of scope | 14:39 |
| tmorin | igordcard: I don't know, perhaps this needs to be discussed: even if we implement the fullfledged version in v1, if no consuming service supports it, then there is no value for API users to have advertised that we support the fullfledged version => hence, why would we have to advertise support for the fullfledged version with an additional api extension ? | 14:39 |
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| tmorin | I think we might perhaps fully specify the fullfledged, implement only a part of it, and initially no consumer will support it | 14:40 |
| igordcard | tmorin: exactly, makes sense... so either do it all in v1 or wait until the "need" | 14:40 |
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| tmorin | yes | 14:40 |
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| igordcard | tmorin: implement only a part of it? | 14:41 |
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| tmorin | the real relevant question for users in terms of exposing what is supported is whether a given type of classification or compound is supported by consumer service foo | 14:41 |
| tmorin | and this can't be done with a simple API extension anyways | 14:41 |
| tmorin | igordcard: yes, the part of it initially implemented would be AND-compound | 14:41 |
| igordcard | tmorin: yes, in the end it's the CS's responsibility to support a certain set of classification capabilities | 14:42 |
| igordcard | independently or with the help of CCF | 14:42 |
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| igordcard | tmorin: but if you only implement part of the API, why have a fully fledged API? non-AND composition calls would fail | 14:43 |
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| tmorin | igordcard: yes, but if no consumer service supports them, this is fine, right ? | 14:44 |
| igordcard | tmorin: oh yes, sure | 14:44 |
| igordcard | they can add support whenever they want, no CCF changes would be necessary | 14:45 |
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| igordcard | #action igordcard to investigate AND/OR/NOT modeling and potential issues | 14:47 |
| igordcard | let's move on | 14:47 |
| igordcard | any other things we have to debate and attempt to reach consensus? | 14:47 |
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| igordcard | next spec will be highly trimmed | 14:49 |
| igordcard | focus/scope on the ccf specifically | 14:50 |
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| igordcard | what consuming services do essentially out of scope | 14:50 |
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| igordcard | it will also have a single answer for each of the 3 pending debates and, unless there's disagreement, we'll go with those answers for the implementation | 14:51 |
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| igordcard | the and/or/not grouping is the toughest to decide | 14:51 |
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| igordcard | there's also ihar's very important suggestion: | 14:52 |
| igordcard | - governance matters (where the code goes, who is in the review and development team) | 14:52 |
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| davidsha | igordcard: ajo is leaving neutron, vikram and sean collins are the other 2 core reviewers in neutron classifier I believe | 14:53 |
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| igordcard | davidsha: right and that leads me to | 14:53 |
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| igordcard | davidsha: you mentioned not much code is being reused form the neutron-classifier on the PoC | 14:54 |
| davidsha | igordcard: basically no code is reused. | 14:54 |
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| igordcard | davidsha: unless it's potential that a big portion of the code can be reused, I'd prefer to create a new repo | 14:55 |
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| igordcard | davidsha: or we would have to wipe the current on in neutron-classifier... which doesn't make much sense | 14:55 |
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| davidsha | igordcard: It's a repo that's already approved though. I'm not sure how long will it take to get a new one. | 14:56 |
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| igordcard | davidsha: we can work on the code while we wait for approval tho | 14:57 |
| igordcard | davidsha: also neutron-classifier is not governed | 14:57 |
| igordcard | in any way | 14:57 |
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| igordcard | and I believe that's the most critical question... how is the governance going to be? | 14:57 |
| davidsha | what do you mean? | 14:58 |
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| igordcard | davidsha: exactly, I'll chat to ihar about this | 14:59 |
| igordcard | #action igordcard to talk about governance with ihar | 14:59 |
| igordcard | alright people, we're done for today! | 14:59 |
| igordcard | bye all | 14:59 |
| igordcard | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 4 14:59:38 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/network_common_flow_classifier/2017/network_common_flow_classifier.2017-04-04-14.00.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/network_common_flow_classifier/2017/network_common_flow_classifier.2017-04-04-14.00.txt | 14:59 |
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| davidsha | cya | 15:00 |
| yuval | #startmeeting karbor | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 4 15:00:57 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yuval. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'karbor' | 15:01 |
| yuval | Hey all, welcome to Karbor's weekly meeting | 15:01 |
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| chenying_ | hi | 15:01 |
| yuval | Most of the current contributors are from China, and it is Qingming Festival, not many will arrive | 15:02 |
| yuval | hey chenying_ | 15:02 |
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| yuval | chenying_: thanks for showing up on the holiday | 15:03 |
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| yuval | I'm afraid nothing to discuss right now. We will speak tomorrow in Karbor's channel | 15:04 |
| chenying_ | yuval: Ok see you tomorrow. | 15:04 |
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| yuval | #endmeeting | 15:05 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 4 15:05:05 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:05 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/karbor/2017/karbor.2017-04-04-15.00.html | 15:05 |
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| jlibosva | o/ | 16:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 16:00 |
| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_ci | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 4 16:00:42 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| haleyb | hi | 16:00 |
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| ihrachys | hi everyone, thanks for joining | 16:01 |
| ihrachys | we will start with our tradition - reviewing action items from prev meeting | 16:01 |
| ihrachys | #topic Action items from prev meeting | 16:01 |
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| ihrachys | huh, "ihrachys fix e-r bot not reporting in irc channel" | 16:01 |
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| ihrachys | no, it's not tackled | 16:01 |
| ihrachys | I wonder if history shows I can't tackle it in due time :) | 16:02 |
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| ihrachys | I will repeat it for the next time, but you know... | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | #action ihrachys fix e-r bot not reporting in irc channel | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | if someone wants to help tracking it, you are welcome | 16:03 |
| ihrachys | next was "mlavalle to fix the grafana board to include gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-dvr-multinode-full-ubuntu-xenial-nv" | 16:03 |
| mlavalle | I submitted this patchset: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/452294/ | 16:03 |
| ihrachys | seems like it merged: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/452294/ | 16:03 |
| ihrachys | mlavalle, good job | 16:03 |
| mlavalle | and it got merged last night | 16:03 |
| mlavalle | :-) | 16:03 |
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| mlavalle | Thanks for the reviews :-) | 16:04 |
| ihrachys | now, let's have a look how the dashboard looks like now | 16:04 |
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| ihrachys | should be here: http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate?panelId=8&fullscreen | 16:04 |
| reedip | o\ /o | 16:04 |
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| ihrachys | 35% failure rate it seems | 16:05 |
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| mlavalle | yeap about that | 16:06 |
| ihrachys | that job is non-voting | 16:06 |
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| ihrachys | mlavalle, haleyb: is there any plan in l3 team to make it the gate job that could replace non-dvr/non-multinode flavours? | 16:07 |
| mlavalle | not that I'm aware of | 16:07 |
| ihrachys | I remember there was a plan to make ha+dvr the gate setup, but at this point it seems dim | 16:08 |
| mlavalle | but haleyb may have a plan | 16:08 |
| mlavalle | if he is not on-line.... | 16:08 |
| haleyb | ihrachys: yes, the plan was to get the ha+dvr change merged | 16:08 |
| mlavalle | I will bring this up during the next L3 team meeting on Thursday | 16:08 |
| ihrachys | haleyb, I think devstack-gate piece landed, no? | 16:08 |
| ihrachys | this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/383827/ | 16:09 |
| ihrachys | there is a test patch from anil here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/383833/ but I don't know what's the state there | 16:09 |
| ihrachys | haleyb, are you in touch with anil? | 16:09 |
| haleyb | ihrachys: no, but we will add this to the list of items at the L3 meeting | 16:10 |
| ihrachys | ok cool, thanks | 16:10 |
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| ihrachys | ok next one was on me | 16:10 |
| ihrachys | "ihrachys to report bugs for fullstack race in ovs agent when calling to enable_connection_uri" | 16:10 |
| ihrachys | there are mixed news here | 16:10 |
| ihrachys | I haven't reported bugs just yet but... | 16:10 |
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| ihrachys | I was working on some OSP Ocata test failures, and while reading through logs, I spotted that we see the same duplicate messages in logs when setting manager | 16:11 |
| ihrachys | so it's not only fullstack issue | 16:11 |
| ihrachys | the env I see it is an actual multinode deployment | 16:12 |
| ihrachys | for reference, this is the error I talk about: http://logs.openstack.org/98/446598/1/check/gate-neutron-dsvm-fullstack-ubuntu-xenial/2e0f93e/logs/dsvm-fullstack-logs/TestOvsConnectivitySameNetworkOnOvsBridgeControllerStop.test_controller_timeout_does_not_break_connectivity_sigkill_GRE-and-l2pop,openflow-native_ovsdb-cli_/neutron-openvswitch-agent--2017-03-16--16-06-05-730632.txt.gz?level=TRACE | 16:12 |
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| ihrachys | apparently the code that sets managers for native ovsdb driver is raceful when executed by two agents | 16:12 |
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| ihrachys | which can of course happen because we deploy multiple agents on a single node | 16:13 |
| ihrachys | and each of them uses its own copy of ovsdb connection | 16:13 |
| ihrachys | so, just a heads up; and it's still on me to report the bug | 16:13 |
| ihrachys | #action ihrachys to report bugs for fullstack race in ovs agent when calling to enable_connection_uri | 16:14 |
| ihrachys | #action haleyb or mlavalle to report back on ha+dvr plan after l3 meeting | 16:14 |
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| ihrachys | there was also a long standing action item on jlibosva to prepare py3 transition plan for Pike | 16:15 |
| ihrachys | I doubt it's ready though sicnce jlibosva was offline for a while | 16:15 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, but that's your chance to surprize everyone | 16:15 |
| jlibosva | indeed | 16:15 |
| jlibosva | no surprise | 16:15 |
| jlibosva | :( | 16:15 |
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| ihrachys | that's ok, I would be really surprized | 16:15 |
| ihrachys | #action jlibosva to prepare py3 transition plan for Pike | 16:16 |
| ihrachys | we can walk through it the next week | 16:16 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Patches in review | 16:16 |
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| ihrachys | manjeets's patch to add gate-failure bugs to neutron review board seems stuck: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439114/ | 16:16 |
| ihrachys | clarkb, I know you +2d it. who could be the 2nd person to review it? | 16:17 |
| manjeets | ihrachys, I posted it on infra channel but did not get attention | 16:17 |
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| manjeets | may be need to find out | 16:17 |
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| ihrachys | ok I guess we will need to chase them somehow | 16:19 |
| ihrachys | #action ihrachys to chase infra to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439114/ | 16:19 |
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| manjeets | jeremy stanley | 16:19 |
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| manjeets | don't know his irc handle | 16:19 |
| ihrachys | I am also aware of this set of backports to fix scenario jobs in lbaas: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/I5d41652a85cfb91646bb48d38eedbe97741a97c2,n,z (mitaka seems broken but I probably won't have time till EOL to fix it) | 16:19 |
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| ihrachys | manjeets, I think it's fungi | 16:20 |
| ihrachys | I also revise a bit how we disable dvr tests for dvrskip scenario jobs here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/453212/ | 16:20 |
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| fungi | yep, that's me | 16:21 |
| ihrachys | dasanind has a patch fixing sporadic tempest failure because of missing project_id on first API call: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447781/ Now that it has a functional test, it should probably be ready, though I am still to look at the test. | 16:21 |
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| clarkb | ihrachys: probably fungi or pabelanger | 16:21 |
| ihrachys | fungi, wonder if you could push https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439114/ | 16:21 |
| fungi | looking into it now | 16:22 |
| dasanind | ihrachys: I am getting a tempest test failure for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447781/ | 16:22 |
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| dasanind | http://logs.openstack.org/81/447781/6/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-linuxbridge-ubuntu-xenial/c1962e8/logs/testr_results.html.gz | 16:22 |
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| ihrachys | dasanind, is it stable? or just a single failure? becuase the test is for Cinder API, and doesn't look neutron related for what I can see from 30 secs of log inspection | 16:23 |
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| fungi | manjeets: ihrachys: clarkb: i've approved 439114 now | 16:24 |
| ihrachys | fungi, thanks a lot! | 16:24 |
| manjeets | thanks fungi | 16:24 |
| dasanind | ihrachys: it's just a single failure | 16:24 |
| fungi | any time | 16:24 |
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| ihrachys | dasanind, ok, then it's probably something else. you are of course advised to report a bug if there is no bug that tracks the failure for cinder just yet. | 16:24 |
| dasanind | ihrachys: will do | 16:25 |
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| ihrachys | another failure that we track is fullstack being broken by kevinbenton's change in provisioning blocks where we now require some ml2 driver to deliver the dhcp block for a dhcp enabled port to transition to ACTIVE | 16:26 |
| ihrachys | more info here: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/114796.html | 16:26 |
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| ihrachys | jlibosva has a patch for fullstack here: https://review.openstack.org/451704 | 16:26 |
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| ihrachys | it may need some additional investigation on why we seem to need to set agent_down_time=10 to make it pass | 16:26 |
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| jlibosva | I think it might not be needed but I don't understand why the tests fail on my env if I don't set the agent down time | 16:27 |
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| jlibosva | I'll wait for CI results and will try to remove that | 16:27 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, wonder what happens if we post a patch on top cleaning those up | 16:27 |
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| jlibosva | ihrachys: I went through patches that added dhcp tests and the agent_down_time is just to lower waiting when agent goes down in a failover test | 16:28 |
| jlibosva | for HA | 16:28 |
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| ihrachys | jlibosva, but we don't failover in those tests that you touched do we? | 16:29 |
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| ihrachys | ok we will probably track it offline | 16:31 |
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| ihrachys | speaking of other patches | 16:31 |
| jlibosva | ihrachys: nope | 16:32 |
| ihrachys | my attention was brought to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/421155/ that fixes dvr tests for multinode setups (I expect it to affect our new ha+dvr job) | 16:32 |
| ihrachys | I marked the bug as gate-failure for that matter | 16:33 |
| ihrachys | to ease tracking it | 16:33 |
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| ihrachys | there is some back and forth there in comments about where to fix it first - tempest or neutron (seems like the test is duplicated) | 16:33 |
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| ihrachys | anyhoo, I am glad to see it got attention from some :) | 16:33 |
| ihrachys | there seems to be a proposal to add a job using ryu master against neutron: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445262/ | 16:35 |
| ihrachys | not sure why it's added in gate and not e.g. periodic | 16:36 |
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| ihrachys | ok I left a comment there | 16:37 |
| ihrachys | there is also that long standing patch from jlibosva that documents how rechecks should be approached in gate: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/426829/ | 16:38 |
| ihrachys | mlavalle, I wonder if your WIP is still needed there | 16:38 |
| mlavalle | I can remove it | 16:38 |
| mlavalle | I don't think it is useful anymore | 16:38 |
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| ihrachys | yeah the patch seems to take a lot of time to get in | 16:39 |
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| mlavalle | I'll just merge it now | 16:39 |
| ihrachys | I wonder if it's ok for me to just push it, or I better seek +W from e.g. kevinbenton | 16:39 |
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| ihrachys | since it's policy thing | 16:39 |
| mlavalle | yeah, I think it would be good to get Kevinbenton's blessing | 16:40 |
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| mlavalle | I'll just remove the -1 | 16:40 |
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| mlavalle | Done | 16:40 |
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| ihrachys | thanks | 16:41 |
| ihrachys | I am not aware of any other patches. have I missed anything? | 16:42 |
| ihrachys | otherwiseguy, how close are we to pull the trigger on ovsdbapp switch? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438087/ | 16:43 |
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| ihrachys | ok I guess otherwiseguy is offline | 16:46 |
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| otherwiseguy | oh hi | 16:47 |
| ihrachys | o/ | 16:47 |
| ihrachys | how's ovsdbapp doing? | 16:47 |
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| ihrachys | ok otherwiseguy says he has some connectivity issues | 16:49 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Bugs | 16:49 |
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| ihrachys | there seems to be nothing actionable in the list that we haven't discussed already | 16:50 |
| ihrachys | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=gate-failure | 16:50 |
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| ihrachys | I am still not clear why we track e.g. vpnaas bugs that is not even stadium subproject under neutron component | 16:51 |
| ihrachys | let's discuss something else | 16:51 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Open discussion | 16:51 |
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| ihrachys | infra seems to switch the whole gate that uses ubuntu xenial to UCA: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-April/114912.html | 16:52 |
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| ihrachys | that's ubuntu cloud archive, a repo that contains new versions of libvirt, openvswitch and such | 16:52 |
| clarkb | well I am posing the question :) | 16:52 |
| clarkb | I think newer ovs (2.6.1 compared to 2.5.0) helps neutron? | 16:52 |
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| ihrachys | clarkb, I think fullstack may make use of 2.6.1 so that we can stop compilation for kernel modules | 16:53 |
| jlibosva | clarkb: would the image get also the newer kernel? | 16:53 |
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| clarkb | jlibosva: no UCA doesn't have nweer kernels in it | 16:53 |
| ihrachys | right, question is, are images built with UCA on? | 16:53 |
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| ihrachys | or it's enabled after the fact | 16:53 |
| jlibosva | ah, would be useful for fullstack | 16:53 |
| clarkb | and they wouldn't be built with UCA on (most likely not at least, that specific detail isn't completely 100% settled) | 16:53 |
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| jlibosva | but it may help the disabled functional tests | 16:54 |
| clarkb | ihrachys: even if it was enabled during image builds we woulnd't get newer kernels | 16:54 |
| ihrachys | clarkb, is it possible to get an image with newer kernel too? otherwise we will still compile it seems. | 16:54 |
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| ihrachys | for functional, the only benefit is we will be able to reenable two tests | 16:54 |
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| clarkb | ihrachys: we could possibly do hardware enablement but unlike UCA I think ubuntu/canonical says not to use hardware enablement on servers | 16:55 |
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| jlibosva | we could also precompile the kernel module and fetch it from reliable storage instead of compiling the same all the time | 16:55 |
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| ihrachys | clarkb, sorry, what's hardware enablement? | 16:55 |
| clarkb | ihrachys: its a separate thing that ubuntu does, where they publish newer kernels for LTS so that your new shiny laptop with silly new peripheral design will work | 16:56 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, the module should match kernel; if kernel is updated by ubuntu, we are screwed | 16:56 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, it may not load | 16:56 |
| jlibosva | ihrachys: but we won't get newer kernel | 16:56 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, not new enough; but they can still update it for CVE or whatnot | 16:56 |
| clarkb | I'm sort of confused why a new kernel is necessary | 16:56 |
| jlibosva | there is a bug in kernel datapath for local vxlan traffic | 16:56 |
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| ihrachys | clarkb, openvswitch kernel pieces contain a fix that is needed for some fullstack tunneling feature | 16:57 |
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| clarkb | i see, has that been filed against ubuntu? | 16:57 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva should really document that somewhere | 16:57 |
| jlibosva | there was a bug, let me search | 16:57 |
| ihrachys | #action jlibosva document current openvswitch requirements for fullstack/functional in TESTING.rst | 16:57 |
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| clarkb | I think if we want to talk about newer kernels that avenue for that would be the hardware enablement kernels and that would be separate from any use of UCA | 16:58 |
| ihrachys | clarkb, one consideration when switching should also be revising https://review.openstack.org/#/c/402940/4/reference/project-testing-interface.rst not to give wrong message to consumers | 16:58 |
| ihrachys | the way the document is worded now suggests that you can safely deploy from LTS bits | 16:58 |
| ihrachys | clarkb, ack | 16:58 |
| jlibosva | clarkb: this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/kernel/+bug/1627095 | 16:58 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1627095 in linux "Request to backport fix for local VxLAN" [Undecided,New] | 16:58 |
| clarkb | ihrachys: well thats what openstack has stated it will support | 16:58 |
| clarkb | ihrachys: so if its not the case we should ork to fix that | 16:58 |
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| ihrachys | clarkb, question is, should we work on it retroactively once bugs are revealed, or maintain a job that proves it still works, even if not too stable? | 16:59 |
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| clarkb | ihrachys: I think working with the distros to keep a functioning useable "openstack" is likely ideal. I don't know how practical that is in reality though | 17:00 |
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| clarkb | ihrachys: our users are deploying on these distros, if they don't work then our users will be sad (like me!)) | 17:00 |
| jlibosva | we're out of time | 17:00 |
| ihrachys | right. anyhow would make sense to update docs based on UCA decision. | 17:00 |
| ihrachys | ok time indeed | 17:00 |
| ihrachys | thanks folks | 17:00 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 4 17:00:53 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-04-04-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-04-04-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-04-04-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
| jlibosva | thanks, bye | 17:00 |
| dasanind | thanks | 17:01 |
| mlavalle | Thanks | 17:01 |
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| manjeets | thanks | 17:02 |
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| lbragstad | #startmeeting keystone | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 4 18:00:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lbragstad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | #topic roll call | 18:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:00 | |
| dstanek | ehlo | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | ping agrebennikov, amakarov, annakoppad, antwash, ayoung, bknudson, breton, browne, chrisplo, cmurphy, davechen, dolphm, dstanek, edmondsw, edtubill, gagehugo, henrynash, hrybacki, jamielennox, jaugustine, jgrassler, knikolla, lamt, lbragstad, kbaikov, ktychkova, morgan, nishaYadav, nkinder, notmorgan, portdirect, raildo, ravelar, rderose, rodrigods, roxanaghe, samueldmq, SamYaple, shaleh, spilla, srwilkers, | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | StefanPaetowJisc, stevemar, topol, shardy, ricolin | 18:00 |
| cmurphy | o/ | 18:00 |
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| rodrigods | hey | 18:00 |
| ayoung | Oyez! | 18:00 |
| lamt | o/ | 18:00 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 18:01 |
| knikolla | o/ | 18:01 |
| sdague | o/ | 18:01 |
| lbragstad | agenda | 18:01 |
| lbragstad | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting | 18:01 |
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| breton | o/ | 18:01 |
| rderose | o/ | 18:02 |
| lbragstad | since we're doing roll call to prune the list of folks on the ping list, we'll give it another minute | 18:02 |
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| henrynash | hi | 18:03 |
| ayoung | henrynash, how are ya! | 18:03 |
| henrynash | I’m absolutely spiffing, old boy | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | alright - cool, let's get started | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | #topic forum proposals | 18:03 |
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| spilla | o/ | 18:03 |
| antwash | o/ | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | here is a list of all proposed keystone-related sessions for the forum | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | #link http://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/details/9 | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | #link http://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/details/90 | 18:04 |
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| lbragstad | #link http://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/details/45 | 18:04 |
| lbragstad | #link http://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/details/92 | 18:04 |
| lbragstad | feel free to review and leave comments | 18:04 |
| lbragstad | that'd be a good way to prepare for those discussions to come in Boston | 18:04 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, very nice | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | I wanted to advertise them here since the deadline for proposals was last week | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | #topic Direction of coupling SQL with foreign keys | 18:05 |
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| lbragstad | dstanek o/ | 18:05 |
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| dstanek | hoy | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445505 | 18:05 |
| dstanek | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445505 | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | ^ relevant context | 18:06 |
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| rodrigods | where is morgan :) | 18:06 |
| dstanek | so that review brought up some interesting questions in my mind | 18:06 |
| dstanek | so the first is that even though identity and federation are in separate python packages they are really tightly coupled | 18:06 |
| dstanek | so having foreign keys between those subsystems makes sense to me | 18:07 |
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| rderose | dstanek: ++ | 18:07 |
| ayoung | can we merge them? | 18:07 |
| ayoung | As I see it, Federation is the framework, identity is the self contained implementation | 18:07 |
| rodrigods | federation is an auth method | 18:07 |
| rodrigods | auth method framework | 18:08 |
| rodrigods | everything around it is to proper handle auth | 18:08 |
| ayoung | federated_user should probably be in the federated backend if anything | 18:08 |
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| dstanek | federation is highly coupled with identity. no matter what arbitrary boxes we want to draw | 18:08 |
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| ayoung | dstanek, very right | 18:09 |
| ayoung | I wonder if we are wrong to even treat them as separate things. Really historical accident only. | 18:09 |
| dstanek | so forcing us the do dumb things to avoid FKs seems crazy | 18:09 |
| dstanek | ayoung: ++ | 18:09 |
| knikolla | ++ | 18:10 |
| ayoung | rodrigods, any strong opinion? | 18:10 |
| rodrigods | ayoung, nope | 18:10 |
| dstanek | federation is technically not much different that the ldap identity backend | 18:10 |
| ayoung | dstanek, I would love to have LDAP reimplemented in terms of Federation | 18:10 |
| lbragstad | is notmorgan around? | 18:10 |
| rodrigods | dstanek, ^ that depends on how you are looking to federation | 18:10 |
| henrynash | dstanek: I think that is a (slightly) different argument regarding LDAP | 18:11 |
| rodrigods | henrynash, ++ | 18:11 |
| ayoung | was this done at my insistence? | 18:11 |
| dstanek | rodrigods: how is it different? | 18:11 |
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| henrynash | dstanek: using the backend drivers does not require accepting the conceptual model of federation, which means that youcan’t “read user identites” from keystone... | 18:12 |
| ayoung | henrynash, if LDAP was done right, it would be provided by an apache module before it ever hit the Keystone code, like mod_shib et alles | 18:12 |
| dstanek | we use some external thing as the source of users/groups and keep a lightweight pointer to it locally - federation is just more more involved to do those thing | 18:12 |
| henrynash | dstanek: now it is an interesting ppint that with shadwo users, maybe taht distinction goes away | 18:12 |
| rodrigods | dstanek, so fed_users are federation | 18:12 |
| rodrigods | not identity | 18:12 |
| rodrigods | meh | 18:13 |
| ayoung | even SQL could be implemented as a "populate env vars prior to hitting Keystone proper" | 18:13 |
| rodrigods | i'm getting confused | 18:13 |
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| henrynash | ayoung: agree that we could (and should) also support that | 18:13 |
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| ayoung | and then the write capability of the identity backend would really be a separate subsystem from auth. | 18:13 |
| ayoung | rodrigods, I think we are all saying that we should make Federation a first class citizen in Keystone, and merge it in with the identity code for the most part, but there are some historical accidents that make that hard to do right up front | 18:14 |
| henrynash | The issue for me is that up until now federation == new usage model (i.e. “users aren’t in keystone, so don’t go there for info on them”, while identity was the more traditonal model | 18:14 |
| rodrigods | ayoung, hmm agree | 18:14 |
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| dstanek | henrynash: which as you pointed out isn't true any longer | 18:14 |
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| rodrigods | fed_users is the glue between identity and federation | 18:15 |
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| rodrigods | so... yeah, i guess dstanek has a point | 18:15 |
| dstanek | rodrigods: federated users are a part of the identity system today | 18:15 |
| henrynash | As I said (although as you all know I’m still no fan of shadow users)…if we were to go “all in” and make shadow users look like the old model, then I cold be convinced | 18:15 |
| ayoung | it is shadow users. We just called it something else | 18:16 |
| henrynash | (although not quite convinced it should do that) | 18:16 |
| ayoung | Quack | 18:16 |
| henrynash | sorry….it *could* do that | 18:16 |
| dstanek | this brought up a more interesting point in my mind...how much value is it to not assume SQL (or at the very least assume that RI is handled by the backend and not keystone) | 18:16 |
| dstanek | or maybe that backends are all or nothing (SQL, mongo if you can stomach it, etc) | 18:16 |
| dstanek | not looking for an answer to this....just want to bring it up and see if there are thoughts | 18:17 |
| lbragstad | i know notmorgan had an opinion | 18:17 |
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| ayoung | OK...so what do you mean by " it to not assume SQL" | 18:17 |
| lbragstad | maybe we take an action to continue the conversation and ensure we get his viewpoint, too | 18:17 |
| ayoung | what is "it" in this question>? | 18:17 |
| henrynash | dstanek: I agree we are kind of “sticking to the old rules” even though they are becoming less convincing they are buying us anything (I.e. it’s either SQL everywhere, or SQL everywhere except LDAP for Identity) | 18:18 |
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| ayoung | It think it is SQL everywhere as a federation layer, and then it talks some other protocol... | 18:18 |
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| ayoung | cleaner model conceptually | 18:18 |
| dstanek | ayoung: we do backflips in code to enforce FKs in Python because we assume (or want to enable) non-SQL systems to store data | 18:18 |
| ayoung | dstanek, right | 18:19 |
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| dstanek | i'm just wondering is people think that is still valuable overall | 18:19 |
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| ayoung | dstanek, would love to kill the SQL identity backend and only to Federation | 18:19 |
| ayoung | do Federation | 18:20 |
| ayoung | in the Auth pipelien | 18:20 |
| ayoung | pipeline | 18:20 |
| dstanek | i don't want to take up too much time as i can write this up offline, but i want to give people the change to save me from that work by telling me they hate it | 18:20 |
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| ayoung | keep[ the RI checks in Python | 18:20 |
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| dstanek | ayoung: i'm talking about *all* backends | 18:20 |
| lbragstad | dstanek maybe start a ML post? | 18:20 |
| rodrigods | lbragstad, ++ | 18:20 |
| lbragstad | and yeah - whatever we do we should be consistent | 18:20 |
| rodrigods | dstanek, conceptually, separating the backends is correct | 18:20 |
| ayoung | yeah, would like to see it clearly laid out what you are proposing. | 18:20 |
| dstanek | lbragstad: ++ | 18:20 |
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| dstanek | rodrigods: why? | 18:21 |
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| lbragstad | not assuming RI in one backend and not in another would be a terrible experience | 18:21 |
| rodrigods | but only if adds some value | 18:21 |
| ayoung | If we were consistent, we would treat SQL like every other federation backend | 18:21 |
| lbragstad | s/not// | 18:21 |
| rodrigods | dstanek, for the reasons you said above | 18:21 |
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| dstanek | rodrigods: so that people can make architectural mistakes? do you see value in separate backends by subsystem? | 18:21 |
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| rodrigods | dstanek, only if "<dstanek> ayoung: we do backflips in code to enforce FKs in Python because we assume (or want to enable) non-SQL systems to store data" | 18:22 |
| dstanek | rodrigods: that's a reason not to allow different backends | 18:22 |
| ayoung | rodrigods, you OK with letting that patch go? | 18:23 |
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| rodrigods | dstanek, what? heh | 18:23 |
| rodrigods | ayoung, i'm completely fine | 18:23 |
| rodrigods | i was convinced by morgan | 18:23 |
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| rodrigods | let me search the abandoned backport patch | 18:23 |
| lbragstad | is everyone good to move this to the mailing list/ | 18:24 |
| dstanek | yep | 18:24 |
| ayoung | ++ | 18:24 |
| knikolla | ++ | 18:24 |
| rodrigods | dstanek, ayoung see morgan's comment https://review.openstack.org/#/c/420893/ | 18:24 |
| lbragstad | dstanek would you mind starting that thread? or do you want me to? | 18:24 |
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| dstanek | lbragstad: i'll go ahead and do it | 18:24 |
| lbragstad | #action dstanek to start ML thread on FK constraints in backends or python | 18:24 |
| lbragstad | dstanek thanks | 18:24 |
| ayoung | Hmmm | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | #topic Pike specs | 18:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Pike specs (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:25 | |
| lbragstad | 1.5 weeks until spec proposal freeze | 18:25 |
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| ayoung | He's not wrong. | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | 9 weeks until spec freeze | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | #topic Pike specs: unified limits | 18:25 |
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| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/440815 | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | sdague o/ | 18:25 |
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| sdague | o/ | 18:26 |
| ayoung | sdague, what limits are we talking about besides existing quotas? | 18:26 |
| lbragstad | sdague thanks for keeping up with that spec btw | 18:26 |
| sdague | ayoung: none really | 18:26 |
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| sdague | yeh, this is the follow on from the PTG discussion about moving the limits definitions into keystone | 18:27 |
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| lbragstad | and leaving allocation enforcement to the service | 18:27 |
| sdague | right exactly | 18:27 |
| ayoung | sdague, how strongly do you feel about this being the right direction? We've trod this ground a time or two, and it has never been Keystone that stopped the discussion | 18:27 |
| sdague | ayoung: well, we got the PTLs from cinder, glance, neutron, nova all on board with it | 18:28 |
| lbragstad | i think there are several differences in the current proposal from the ones we've hashed in the past | 18:28 |
| * notmorgan swears he's been lurking the whole time and not on ehte phone | 18:28 | |
| dstanek | ayoung: what i'm a fan of is that keystone doen't do quotas - is provides limit metadata | 18:29 |
| sdague | this is the concept spec for it, which it would be good to get keystone team to decide if we're doing this | 18:29 |
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| ayoung | OK...so I kind of like it in theory, and think that Keystone's current orginazation sucks to support it in practice, but if the other leads are OK with it, I don't see that as a deal breaker | 18:29 |
| ayoung | sdague, when would limits be queried? | 18:29 |
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| sdague | then I can work up a lower level spec with the actual interfaces | 18:29 |
| sdague | ayoung: every time that info is needed | 18:29 |
| notmorgan | sdague: ++ | 18:29 |
| rodrigods | notmorgan, we are going to have a ML thread about FKs between subsystems | 18:29 |
| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/440815/6/specs/keystone/backlog/unified-limits.rst@171 | 18:29 |
| notmorgan | rodrigods: no. | 18:30 |
| notmorgan | rodrigods: no need, just need to add a test mechanism (i have a way to do this) | 18:30 |
| ayoung | sdague, and we would not treat this as an authorization process | 18:30 |
| sdague | ayoung: meaning? | 18:30 |
| notmorgan | rodrigods: i'm simply going to make SQlite run in different DBs for each subsystem :P | 18:30 |
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| ayoung | sdague, not part of token validation | 18:31 |
| notmorgan | rodrigods: so the tests will totally fail. | 18:31 |
| notmorgan | rodrigods: :P | 18:31 |
| rodrigods | notmorgan, lol | 18:31 |
| sdague | ayoung: no, you would be using a valid token to get this information | 18:31 |
| lbragstad | ayoung "187+Service/Administrative users will have this read access for all projects." | 18:31 |
| sdague | either project scoped, and get the rpoject | 18:31 |
| ayoung | sdague, I could see the token validation process used to fetch the data, but not do anything with it | 18:31 |
| notmorgan | rodrigods: if you're doing FKs between systems as a ML topic, keep in mind we likely will simply move back to a single unified DB and drop non-sql options | 18:31 |
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| ayoung | sdague, been a long time coming. I think this can work | 18:32 |
| notmorgan | rodrigods: if you ask too many people | 18:32 |
| rodrigods | notmorgan, dstanek is going to be responsible to write it | 18:32 |
| rodrigods | :) | 18:32 |
| sdague | ayoung: ah, so, that is probably a keystone internals question. I don't think that every token validation needs this, more that it would be a dedicated interface | 18:32 |
| ayoung | notmorgan, does that mean we can drop LDAP? | 18:32 |
| lbragstad | yes | 18:32 |
| lbragstad | sdague ++ | 18:32 |
| rodrigods | i'm just http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/tumblr_ljh0puClWT1qfkt17.gif | 18:32 |
| notmorgan | ayoung: heh | 18:32 |
| lbragstad | sdague when we talked about the limit data before, we were pretty clear that the last thing we wanted to do with it was stuff it into the token | 18:32 |
| notmorgan | rodrigods: in short, i have a plan to make it a hard-set thing | 18:32 |
| lbragstad | sdague afair | 18:33 |
| sdague | so, the big question right now, is getting keystone team approve to move forward in concept, so I can start the more detailed interface design and hopefully get some progress this cycle | 18:33 |
| notmorgan | if i have time to write it. | 18:33 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, technically it does not go into the *token* | 18:33 |
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| notmorgan | sdague: i like this plan. | 18:33 |
| sdague | lbragstad: I definitely agree, not in token | 18:33 |
| notmorgan | sdague: and i appreciate the work you (and the other folks) are putting into it. | 18:33 |
| lbragstad | notmorgan sdague ++ | 18:33 |
| sdague | at L242 the "not in token" is called out again explicitly | 18:34 |
| ayoung | sdague, you did the mnost important part: getting consensus from the other teams about the scope and limits of...limits? | 18:34 |
| sdague | ayoung: yeh, we seem pretty bought in there | 18:34 |
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| dstanek | sdague: i like the work here and don't see why we shouldn't be able to agree to it | 18:34 |
| ayoung | that is where the discussion has fallen apart in the past. We probably should plan on having the limit as an optional part of the token validation process, as that is a nefficiency question | 18:34 |
| ayoung | it would be passed from Auth token middleware via headers like other info | 18:34 |
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| ayoung | and getting that defined properly is probably the hardest part | 18:35 |
| ayoung | esp for, say Neutron that might have quotas on 16 different types of resources | 18:35 |
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| ayoung | can always be done as a deliberate call to Keystone, but that is going to be an additional round trip. Probably OK, but worth considering if it is worth/necessary | 18:36 |
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| lbragstad | FWIW - i'm good to +2 the spec. I think we should probably propose it to On-Going since it's a really well written document | 18:36 |
| ayoung | ++ | 18:36 |
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| sdague | lbragstad: so, revise with the other directory? | 18:36 |
| lbragstad | sdague yeah - i think that'd be best | 18:36 |
| sdague | I can do that pretty quick | 18:37 |
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| ayoung | OK...my turn? | 18:37 |
| lbragstad | sdague awesome - after that i'm good to +2 and I'd encourage other keystone folks to give it a good hard look | 18:37 |
| ayoung | ++ | 18:37 |
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| sdague | updated | 18:38 |
| lbragstad | sdague is there anything you need from us as next steps outside of reviewing the new spec? | 18:38 |
| ayoung | lets agree to meet and hammer out a strawman-level API at the summit | 18:38 |
| sdague | ayoung: so, I intend to do that in advance | 18:39 |
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| sdague | as another spec | 18:39 |
| ayoung | ++ | 18:39 |
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| sdague | and there is already a discussion on unified limits and hierarchical quota models for Boston where we can talk about some of this as well | 18:40 |
| ayoung | That will work | 18:40 |
| lbragstad | #link http://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/details/9 | 18:40 |
| samueldmq | Nice. Will be good to have those as topics next month in Boston | 18:41 |
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| ayoung | Next topic? | 18:42 |
| lbragstad | sdague thanks again, let us know if you need anything else? | 18:42 |
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| lbragstad | #topic Pike specs: RBAC from Middleware | 18:42 |
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| sdague | lbragstad: just a +A :) | 18:42 |
| ayoung | RBAC from Middleware https://review.openstack.org/#/c/452198/ sdague would love your input on it | 18:42 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/452198/ | 18:42 |
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| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/401808/ | 18:42 |
| ayoung | So, this has been under discussion a long time, and I would like to see it come to fruition | 18:43 |
| ayoung | the goals here have been to balance all of the demands on RBAC | 18:43 |
| dstanek | sdague: thanks for your hard work here | 18:43 |
| lbragstad | dstanek ++ | 18:43 |
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| ayoung | namely, it is essential to all of the other services that RBAC be enforced in a consistant way to ensure we are not opening security holes | 18:44 |
| ayoung | making policy safe to modify without breaking services | 18:44 |
| samueldmq | We need to take care how we're doing that I think | 18:44 |
| ayoung | make it possible to upgrade, etc | 18:44 |
| dstanek | ayoung: has there been any x-project discussion about this yet? | 18:44 |
| samueldmq | I'd really like to see how that fits with the current discussion on policies | 18:44 |
| lbragstad | dstanek there was some on the spec, but it merged | 18:44 |
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| samueldmq | And the direction we're going | 18:45 |
| ayoung | samueldmq, very much so, and this proposal is the best we've been able to hammer out. I'd like to make sure, at a minimum, that Keystone core understands, not just the proposal, but the whys behind it. | 18:45 |
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| lbragstad | ayoung why don't you start with the two things you shared yesterday you'd like to solve | 18:45 |
| ayoung | We've had discussions on it in the policy meetings, in cross project meetings at prior summits (I misseed the PTG) | 18:45 |
| * lbragstad and ayoung talked a lot yesterday | 18:45 | |
| ayoung | sure | 18:45 |
| ayoung | so, as the hippocratic oath says "First, do no harm" | 18:45 |
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| ayoung | the goal here is to not introduce anything that will destabilize the existing policy work | 18:46 |
| ayoung | but rather, compliement it | 18:46 |
| ayoung | a long time identified goal is to split role enforcement from scope | 18:46 |
| samueldmq | I just wanted to make sure people/deloyera want to have 2 layers of policy | 18:46 |
| ayoung | scope is "does this token have a project that matches the project of the resource" | 18:46 |
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| ayoung | the scope check is an engineering decision. End users should not customize it, as they will only break it, not make things better | 18:47 |
| ayoung | thus, editing policy files is a risky business | 18:47 |
| samueldmq | ayoung: that is to enforce token roles in the middeware correct? | 18:47 |
| ayoung | samueldmq, yes | 18:47 |
| lbragstad | no - the scope check belongs in the service | 18:47 |
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| lbragstad | because it takes into account things that only the service knows about | 18:48 |
| ayoung | explicitly, this proposal is to make a check in the middleware, prior to the scope check, that only checks the roles | 18:48 |
| dstanek | i've stated by objects to the current URL approach in that paste | 18:48 |
| samueldmq | ayoung: I didjt mean final users but deployera | 18:48 |
| samueldmq | Deployers | 18:48 |
| lbragstad | the rbac check is what is being proposed we do in middleware | 18:48 |
| ayoung | and the role matches (for now) only a rule based on the URL | 18:48 |
| dstanek | and i'm worried what this does to the in-code effort of having sane defaults | 18:48 |
| ayoung | that means it will not support role to instance of resources or any other checks like that | 18:48 |
| samueldmq | So is the goal to have the role checks only in the middleware? | 18:49 |
| ayoung | an example would be the url for say creating a network port: | 18:49 |
| samueldmq | And in the service we only keep scope checks? | 18:49 |
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| ayoung | soimething like serivce=network verb=PUT /port | 18:49 |
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| ayoung | in middleware, we would check what role is associated with the above: | 18:49 |
| samueldmq | I wanted to see how this converge in the future eith the other work, rather than checking roles in 2 places | 18:49 |
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| ayoung | assuming a starting case of there being two roles: | 18:50 |
| ayoung | admin and Member | 18:50 |
| lbragstad | samueldmq i have similar concerns about the usability of that | 18:50 |
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| dstanek | samueldmq: i think you have to real with roles during a scope check if we allow complicated rules | 18:50 |
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| ayoung | dstanek, samueldmq lbragstad yes. We are not going to remove anything from policy. But I think we can persuade people to leave policy alone | 18:51 |
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| ayoung | if they really really need complex policy, let them write it. | 18:51 |
| lbragstad | I'd be curious to see operators give their feedback on this, I don't think we had any operators review the original spec that was merged to ongoing (outside of edmondsw) | 18:51 |
| ayoung | but for most people, I think it is not what they want. | 18:51 |
| samueldmq | dstanek: yes and my point is that having enforcement in 2 places for tbe same thing (roles) will make things harder to customize/debug | 18:51 |
| lbragstad | but we are sucking a bunch of information that is already defined somewhere into keystone | 18:51 |
| dstanek | samueldmq: agreed | 18:52 |
| ayoung | samueldmq, it might be if the operator is using both RBAC and policy. But if they use default policy, and RBAC from middleware, it should be much easier | 18:52 |
| ayoung | policy is not easy | 18:52 |
| lbragstad | it might not break backwards compatibility, be we're adopting a lot of information into keystone | 18:53 |
| ayoung | In essence, you need to run with a debugger to see why something is failing | 18:53 |
| dstanek | ayoung: do other cloud providers or commercial systems implement something like this? | 18:53 |
| ayoung | dstanek, kubernetes does | 18:53 |
| samueldmq | ayoung: so the goal is to have people putting current policy aside to use that mechanism | 18:53 |
| ayoung | its still alpha there | 18:53 |
| dstanek | rbac and complicated policy? | 18:53 |
| ayoung | samueldmq yes | 18:53 |
| samueldmq | We should document that we qant that | 18:53 |
| samueldmq | In the future | 18:53 |
| ayoung | dstanek, p[er "resource" type policy scoped to namespace | 18:54 |
| samueldmq | And make sure we have enough deployers agreeing on thay | 18:54 |
| samueldmq | And they know the implications of it | 18:54 |
| lbragstad | i think we are trying to solve two problems (per the discussion yesterday) 1.) introduce a read-only role 2.) allow users to have roles to do subsets of things | 18:54 |
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| samueldmq | Like not being able to combine role and scope in a more complicates rule | 18:54 |
| samueldmq | That's my point | 18:54 |
| dstanek | ayoung: maybe i'm dense, but i don't understand what this buys us | 18:55 |
| ayoung | I want to be clear, the keystone team should not say "no" to this without providing a viable alternative proposal. I've spent, quite literally, years trying to come up with a solution here. policy.json based approaches were origianlly considerd, vetted, and discarded | 18:55 |
| ayoung | OK,,, what does this buy us.... | 18:55 |
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| lbragstad | ayoung there is an alternative proposal | 18:55 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, not really there isn't. | 18:55 |
| lbragstad | ayoung you reviewed it https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427872/17 | 18:55 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, that is not a real replacement | 18:56 |
| ayoung | that will break | 18:56 |
| samueldmq | ayoung: you like the solution. As do I. But I want to make sure people want it too. | 18:56 |
| lbragstad | how does ^ not solve the problems you described yesterday? | 18:56 |
| samueldmq | I am more than happy to review | 18:56 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, Openstack is more than Nova | 18:56 |
| lbragstad | ayoung sure | 18:56 |
| ayoung | Nova alone cannot define new roles without providingh a way to prevent those roles from executing operations on other services | 18:56 |
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| lbragstad | ayoung i'm positive that's not what nova was trying to do | 18:57 |
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| ayoung | with that proposal, they would have to modify policy.json on every.single.service | 18:57 |
| ayoung | even ones they do not know about | 18:57 |
| samueldmq | Looks like we need to look at the spec and add questions there | 18:57 |
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| samueldmq | It has been merged alteady, correct? | 18:57 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, so the goal here is to provide a mechanism that can be added in to the middleware flow, provide decent defaults, and move forward from there | 18:57 |
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| ayoung | at a minimu, we want to knwo that a service that is registered with keystone, that expects a user with the default role (Member) *has* to have that role to perform standard operations | 18:58 |
| lbragstad | but side-affects of adding this mechanism to middleware doesn't make any sense with upgradeability | 18:58 |
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| ayoung | otherwise, if you go to the nova approach, define a role, say "reader" that can only read Nova resource, it can still write to all resources within that project scope on neutron etc | 18:58 |
| lbragstad | and i would argue that it makes it harder to manage | 18:58 |
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| lbragstad | ayoung i think this is something that we'd have to go through as a community together | 18:59 |
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| knikolla | 1 minute left warning | 18:59 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, the default rule handles upgradeability at least as well as things do today, if not slightly better | 18:59 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, and that is why I am bringing it up at the team meeting. | 18:59 |
| lbragstad | ayoung no it doesn't beacuse you're not taking into account the default role define at the service | 18:59 |
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| ayoung | lbragstad, so knikolla and I will be m,aking a proof of concept of this work prior to the summit, and are talking about tit there | 19:00 |
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| samueldmq | I guess qe gotta continue in -keystone | 19:00 |
| lbragstad | let's carry this over to -keystone | 19:00 |
| lbragstad | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 4 19:00:09 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-04-04-18.00.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-04-04-18.00.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-04-04-18.00.log.html | 19:00 |
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| ayoung | sdague, did you catch what I was saying above? | 19:00 |
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| fungi | infra team, E_THESAURUS_FAILED | 19:00 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | :) | 19:01 |
| SotK | o/ | 19:01 |
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| ianw | yay meeting, boo daylight savings | 19:01 |
| cmurphy | o/ | 19:01 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | hah, it caught me out, too | 19:01 |
| clarkb | hello | 19:01 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I was all ready at 7... | 19:01 |
| jeblair | fungi: you can loop around and start over again, but repeat each word. | 19:01 |
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| fungi | i'm completely and utterly unprepared today, so let's see just how much i can cover up my ineptitude | 19:01 |
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| fungi | olaph: not required for irc | 19:01 |
| * fungi hopes at least | 19:02 | |
| fungi | looks like we have topics proposed by pabelanger and mordred | 19:02 |
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| fungi | i may also add a couple if time allows | 19:02 |
| mordred | that doesn't seem right | 19:02 |
| pabelanger | o/ | 19:02 |
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| pabelanger | mordred: it is your patch, I just cc'd you | 19:02 |
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| fungi | heh | 19:02 |
| mordred | oh neat! | 19:03 |
| fungi | surprise witness | 19:03 |
| mordred | then it seems GREAT! | 19:03 |
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| fungi | #startmeeting infra | 19:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 4 19:03:35 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:03 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:03 |
| fungi | #topic Announcements | 19:03 |
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| fungi | semi-announcement, i'll be travelling and mostly unavailable next week | 19:04 |
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| fungi | pabelanger has graciously volunteered to chair the meeting on the 11th | 19:04 |
| fungi | thanks pabelanger! | 19:04 |
| pabelanger | np | 19:04 |
| fungi | as always, feel free to hit me up with announcements you want included in future meetings | 19:04 |
| fungi | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:04 |
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| jlvillal | o/\ | 19:05 |
| fungi | #action fungi put forth proposal to flatten git namespaces | 19:05 |
| fungi | still haven't gotten to that | 19:05 |
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| fungi | nothing else from last week | 19:05 |
| fungi | #topic Specs approval | 19:05 |
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| fungi | i thought we might have SpamapS's zuul v3 sandboxing approach up in time | 19:05 |
| fungi | should it be a last-minute addition or hold off? | 19:06 |
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| jeblair | it just got another revision, so maybe hold? | 19:07 |
| fungi | okay, fair enough | 19:07 |
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| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts | 19:08 |
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| fungi | nothing called out specifically here this week, though i know zaro and clarkb have picked back up steam on the gerrit upgrade stuff | 19:08 |
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| fungi | and zuul v3 and storyboard activity are ongoing and making traction | 19:09 |
| clarkb | yes, I'm tired of restarting Gerrit | 19:09 |
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| fungi | you and the rest of us ;) | 19:09 |
| fungi | #topic Ipsilon integration for OpenStack ID (pabelanger) | 19:09 |
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| pabelanger | Ohai! | 19:10 |
| fungi | i guess jeblair may have some input on this one | 19:10 |
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| pabelanger | I keep getting ping from trystack folks wanting to know who they can drop facebook as there auth backend and use the openstack foundation database. As I understand it, we need ipsilon for this | 19:10 |
| fungi | is ipsilon integration preventing trystack.org from switching off facebook group auth? | 19:10 |
| pabelanger | maybe? is there another option for them? | 19:11 |
| fungi | is this oidc feature stuff missing from the current openstackid implementation, or something else? | 19:11 |
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| kambiz | we just need to know what options we have. old facebook code that doesnt work with newton and ocata. | 19:11 |
| pabelanger | I am not sure honestly, I thought we in -infra wanted to move away from the current openstackid code base, to ipsilon | 19:12 |
| fungi | well, not all of openstackid, just the openid/oidc provider interface... the backend would presumably remain as it is now | 19:13 |
| clarkb | and I think plan was to run them side by side, and as long as they use same backend you should be able to migrate from one to the other trivially | 19:13 |
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| clarkb | at least initially | 19:13 |
| fungi | that's at least how the idp.openstackid.org poc was set up | 19:13 |
| pabelanger | so, I am not sure how to proceed with trystack.org and there openstackid integration. It is something they have been wanting to do for a while | 19:14 |
| pabelanger | I'd like to help, but need some direction | 19:14 |
| clarkb | (migration may involve updating root url of ids in a database like what we did with ubuntu one and gerrit recently) | 19:14 |
| kambiz | are there docs available to do auth for an ocata install against idp.openstack.org ? | 19:14 |
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| fungi | have they tried using openstackid.org directly yet? | 19:14 |
| fungi | curious what keystone needs which it isn't providing | 19:15 |
| kambiz | also we need auto-provisioning of tenants / users based on whether they are members of e.g. a trystack group. | 19:15 |
| mordred | kambiz: ah - so you need group membership from the idp? | 19:15 |
| fungi | kambiz: at best, there may be documentation for configuring keystone to authenticate via openid in the general sense, and openstackid.org attempts to be a generic openid provider | 19:15 |
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| kambiz | mordred: correct. | 19:15 |
| mordred | fungi: I think the gotcha will be openstackid not implementing (to my knowledge) the group-membership extension | 19:16 |
| clarkb | why is group membership necessary? | 19:16 |
| kambiz | fungi: want to minimize the administration. so basically users with openstackid creds would request access to a "trystack" group, and once they are granted access, when they login to x86.trystack.org they would be directed to the IDP and sent back to trystack (which would also auto provision their tenant / user, but only if they are members of the group | 19:17 |
| fungi | group-based authorization isn't part of the openid 1.x spec as far as i understand, and is instead openid-connect (oidc) and openid 2.x (which ipsilon supposedly has already and openstackid has been working toward implementing but i don't know whether they finished) | 19:17 |
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| fungi | group administration would be yet another layer there, it sounds like | 19:17 |
| notmorgan | uhm. yeah and is that an issue? wouldn't the group be something that would be added on the SP (service provider/consumer)? | 19:17 |
| clarkb | I've worked around similar by maintaining the group membership on the application side fwiw | 19:17 |
| kambiz | clarkb: *shrug* I guess it's not strickly necessary. Presumably someone with an openstackid account is already interested in openstack, so they get trystack for free. vs. the current setup which is facebook auth and requires membership in a trystack group on facebook. | 19:18 |
| fungi | because you want some software to provide an interface for some unnamed admins to decide who can be in or out of the authorization group? | 19:18 |
| notmorgan | clarkb: that is typically the way it works, the SP is usually responsible | 19:18 |
| notmorgan | since the IDP otherwise might be leaking that data outside to another source (excluding Microsoft ecosystem and ADFS for various reasons) | 19:18 |
| notmorgan | i would hesitate to lump that into the IDP itself. | 19:19 |
| fungi | yeah, so trystack would need to grow a group authorization management interface | 19:19 |
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| notmorgan | fungi: depending on what trystack does, it may have that alread, not sure if it's just keystone undewr the hood or something else | 19:19 |
| notmorgan | already* | 19:20 |
| fungi | this is where my lack of understanding of keystone options rules me out of making good suggestions | 19:20 |
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| notmorgan | it might require a *very* new keystone. but it should work. (new as in Ocata or post Ocata) | 19:20 |
| notmorgan | lbragstad: ^ cc for federated identity tech stuff. | 19:20 |
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| fungi | i think ultimately the desire is to allow people with an openstack foundation account (e.g. via openstackid.org openid login) to use per-account tenants autoprovisioned in trystack, which is a bog-standard rdo deployment? | 19:21 |
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| kambiz | fungi: gonna paste link to the auth stuff we added to liberty release. | 19:21 |
| kambiz | (looking for it) | 19:21 |
| wfoster | https://github.com/trystack/python-django-horizon-facebook | 19:22 |
| kambiz | it's keystone insofar that once the user is authed, the user and tenant are created (with a dummy/random password) | 19:22 |
| kambiz | users can then download the keystonerc_<user> from horizon and never look back to the facebook auth stuff. | 19:22 |
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| kambiz | (so they can run openstack cli commands) | 19:22 |
| wfoster | fungi: that seems about right, more or less. | 19:23 |
| fungi | okay, so really the openid auth is just needed far enough to get an api access account created and then they use the autogenerated keystone credentials moving forward? | 19:23 |
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| fungi | not actually doing keystone federation to an openid provider? | 19:23 |
| fungi | or is the desire to move from the former to the latter? | 19:24 |
| kambiz | fungi: yes, and just generally a replacement for facebook, and to use an IDP with a deployment in a manner that is prescribed / has wider adoption. | 19:24 |
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| kambiz | basically, is anyone doing federated authn/authz with auto-provisioning of tenants/users? | 19:24 |
| fungi | okay, and so with facebook you got a group administrator role who could add/remove accounts in some group? | 19:24 |
| kambiz | fungi: yep. users ask to join, and we take a quick 5 second glance at the request, and make a judgement call that they are real humans, and not spammers./ | 19:25 |
| fungi | well, ids rather than accounts from trystack's perspective | 19:25 |
| wfoster | trystack needs an oath or similiar identity provider to plug into keystone to auto create accounts after they've been approved, I think we'd defer to people just having an openstack.org account (or LP and signing the CLA?) so long as we have ability of revocation for abuse scenarios, the facebook auth piece just fits in so we can somewhat determine its indeed a human and we get out of business of | 19:25 |
| wfoster | manually manauging accounts (even with tools its not scalable). | 19:25 |
| kambiz | and once we allow them into the group, they get access to trystack. | 19:25 |
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| fungi | contributor license agreement sounds completely out of scope for using trystack, fwiw | 19:26 |
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| fungi | but anyway, i don't know that with either the current openstackid codebase nor switching to an externally (from trystack's perspective) managed ipsilon instance gets you any sort of group management interface | 19:27 |
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| fungi | it's possible the foundation site maintainers would be able to delegate access to the group management interface they use for www.openstack.org properties, but i also don't know how hierarchical that interface is | 19:28 |
| notmorgan | fungi: CLA seems a bit heavy handed to require (so ++) | 19:28 |
| fungi | as notmorgan and clarkb pointed out, you can always do group management on the trystack side of things | 19:28 |
| notmorgan | and i highly recommend that model if possible | 19:29 |
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| notmorgan | it doesnt rely on the IDP to grow smarts or have someone manage internally | 19:29 |
| jeblair | i keep seeing suggestions that maybe just having a foundation membership account is sufficient. if we can agree that's the case, then it doesn't seem like there should be any obstacles. | 19:29 |
| wfoster | that would be ideal, using delegated group mgmt from openstack.org - we had looked at freeipa for this but i dont think it's ready with the self-service options currently e.g. http://www.freeipa.org/page/V4/Community_Portal#Self-Service_Registration. | 19:29 |
| fungi | from something as basic as am htpasswd callout to a list of openid urls to as featureful as a custom-written web management interface or some off-the-shelf groupware | 19:29 |
| wfoster | somehwere mod_auth_idc fits in, that's where my understanding of ocata/keystone fall short here. | 19:30 |
| fungi | yeah, if just having an openstackid.org id is sufficient, then sounds like it might just work already? | 19:30 |
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| wfoster | our main thing is to just be sure it's indeed a human and to make sure we can take action in abuse scenarios if needed. it seems having an openstack.org id would be enough in my opinion, do you concur kambiz? | 19:31 |
| fungi | clarkb: was mod_auth_openid the one you used in your etherpad authentication experiments? | 19:31 |
| clarkb | fungi: yes, its not perfect but mostly worked | 19:31 |
| fungi | so not mod_auth_idc | 19:31 |
| clarkb | some of the issues were on openstackid's side of not exactly following the spec and otehrs are bugs in mod auth openid | 19:32 |
| fungi | but you managed (after some fixes) to get apache mod_auth_openid working with current openstackid.org | 19:32 |
| clarkb | the issues on openstackid side got fixed | 19:32 |
| clarkb | yup | 19:32 |
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| kambiz | wfoster: *nod* that's what I said earlier as well, to clarkb's point | 19:32 |
| kambiz | just not sure of mod_auth_openid is enough, since from what pabelanger and ayoung have mentioned in the past, there is no auto-provisioning of the tenant/user | 19:33 |
| fungi | okay, so seems to me it's worth testing now to just authenticate against openstackid.org without any group membership requirements and see if it works | 19:33 |
| fungi | whichever module you use at the client side | 19:33 |
| fungi | i mainly wanted to make sure this isn't blocked on a production rollout of ipsilon (unless it comes with a set of developers eager to hack on getting that going infra-side) | 19:34 |
| pabelanger | ya, I wasn't 100% sure of that either | 19:35 |
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| fungi | because movement there has been slow, so we'd either need more people dedicated to working on that or alternatives which can be used in the interim | 19:35 |
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| fungi | okay, any objections to testing using trystack.org with openstackid.org as described above, and then circling back around if there are issues identified? | 19:36 |
| pabelanger | I'm happy people talked | 19:37 |
| pabelanger | :) | 19:37 |
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| fungi | the openstackid.org devs are generally attentive and willing to fix implementation bugs when identified | 19:37 |
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| fungi | though at this particular moment they're busy flinging load tests at the openstackid-dev server i think | 19:38 |
| ayoung | mod_auth_ is not enough for provisioning. Provisioning is outside the auth standards | 19:38 |
| fungi | #agreed The trystack.org maintainers should test integration with current https://openstackid.org/ openid implementation (without oidc group membership lookups), and identify any shortcomings | 19:39 |
| fungi | ^ that cover it for now? | 19:40 |
| fungi | ayoung: thanks, and yes i'm guessing you need some automation for keystone account/tenant autoprovisioning regardless? | 19:40 |
| fungi | ayoung: or is that a keystone feature? | 19:40 |
| clarkb | right it doesn't sounds like using ipsilon or openstackid or any other openid backend is going to change that | 19:40 |
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| clarkb | something needs to do it and those tools don't solve that problem | 19:41 |
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| fungi | presumably something is already doing it for people logging in via facebook | 19:41 |
| fungi | so i would guess that automation remains mostly the same anyway | 19:41 |
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| fungi | okay, 18 minutes remaining, so moving on | 19:42 |
| wfoster | kambiz: fungi that sounds great to me, thank you. we'll also work on patching the fb auth bits in the meantime until we can cutover. we have a parallel newton we can upgrade to ocata to start testing openstackid. who should we ping about implementation questions after we've read up? | 19:42 |
| fungi | wfoster: us but also smarcet and jpmaxman in #openstack-infra are the main openstackid maintainers | 19:42 |
| fungi | #topic Stop enabling EPEL mirror by default (pabelanger/mordred) | 19:42 |
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| pabelanger | mordred proposed 453222 today, and would like to see if anybody objects. If not, I can help keep an eye on jobs failures for EPEL dependencies. | 19:42 |
| pabelanger | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/453222/ | 19:43 |
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| pabelanger | today both puppet and tripleo have moved away from EPEL, since it was unstable and often broke | 19:43 |
| fungi | opposite of objecting, i'm wholeheartedly in favor | 19:43 |
| clarkb | someone should check if devstack needs it for anything | 19:43 |
| * mordred is in favor of it | 19:43 | |
| clarkb | ianw: ^ do you know? | 19:43 |
| mnaser | just an fyi, kolla depends on it | 19:43 |
| mordred | clarkb: we'll find that out very quickly :) | 19:43 |
| mnaser | so we'll have to check | 19:43 |
| mnaser | https://github.com/openstack/kolla/blob/master/tools/setup_gate.sh#L55-L57 | 19:44 |
| * fungi realizes it's not a given that mordred is necessarily always in favor of changes he proposes | 19:44 | |
| jpmaxman | Happy to help wfoster tied up in a meeting but feel free to reach out | 19:44 |
| ianw | i don't believe so | 19:44 |
| mordred | mnaser: I believe kfox111 said he had a patch queued up for kolla-k8s | 19:44 |
| pabelanger | mnaser: sudo yum-config-manager --enable epel | 19:44 |
| pabelanger | is how to enable it | 19:44 |
| mordred | fungi: I am happy to propose the patch so it can be debated - but in this case, I also like it | 19:44 |
| mnaser | this was just gate code to use the mirrors | 19:44 |
| mnaser | so we'll just have to drop the mirrors ill double check this kolla site | 19:44 |
| mnaser | s/site/side/ | 19:44 |
| pabelanger | we'll keep mirroring EPEL, but this means jobs now opt-in | 19:44 |
| pabelanger | and understand, it might not be the most stable | 19:45 |
| mnaser | gotcha | 19:45 |
| fungi | also the enablement command should be idempotent, so you could start running it before we drop the default configuration presumably | 19:45 |
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| mordred | well - so mnaser/kolla have to do their own config since it's being done during container build in the containers | 19:45 |
| mnaser | we already do yum install epel-release in kolla | 19:45 |
| pabelanger | okay, good! This is something I've hope to do for a long time :) | 19:45 |
| mnaser | but it just seds things around in the gate to point towards mirror | 19:45 |
| mordred | which means nothing should change for that koll ajob | 19:45 |
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| mordred | this is only about the epel rpeo being enabled on the vm itself | 19:46 |
| ianw | on CI images, epel-release should already be installed | 19:46 |
| pabelanger | fungi: I'm happy to leave it with your to approve when you think we are ready | 19:46 |
| pabelanger | you* | 19:46 |
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| mordred | ianw: yes. but not inside of containers being built on CI images | 19:46 |
| mnaser | inside the docker images, we do yum install epel-release, but we also do a sed in there to point towards mirrors, which means if the epel mirrors stop the builds will fail (unless im missing something obvious *shrug* | 19:46 |
| mordred | mnaser: yah - we're not stopping the mirrors | 19:47 |
| mordred | mnaser: we're only stopping from enabling them by default in the CI images | 19:47 |
| mnaser | oh | 19:47 |
| pabelanger | ya | 19:47 |
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| mnaser | sorry | 19:47 |
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| mnaser | gotcha now | 19:47 |
| fungi | sounds like kolla wasn't relying on that part regardless | 19:47 |
| mordred | we should likely be extra clear with folks on this point :) | 19:47 |
| mnaser | nope it wasn't | 19:47 |
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| pabelanger | I think puppet and tripleo were the biggest, and they were not affect with todays outage | 19:48 |
| fungi | okay, sounds safe to roll forward in that case | 19:48 |
| fungi | i guess let's give the ml thread a little more time to collect feedback unless this is urgent enough we need to move forward asap | 19:48 |
| fungi | but i don't see any obvious blockers | 19:49 |
| pabelanger | WFM | 19:49 |
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| fungi | mainly want to make sure nobody can say they were paying attention to the ml but were caught by surprise that we changed this | 19:49 |
| fungi | or weren't given time to add that command to their jobs | 19:49 |
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| fungi | anything else on this? otherwise i can try to cram in a last-minute topic or two | 19:50 |
| pabelanger | none, thank you | 19:50 |
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| fungi | #topic Mailman 2.1.16 fork or Xenial upgrade soon? | 19:51 |
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| fungi | i think jeblair asked this over the weekend | 19:51 |
| clarkb | I think we should xenial soon. Upgrade is fresh and process should be very similar | 19:52 |
| fungi | apparently there's some content encoding nastyness in the trusty mailman packages, fixed subsequentlt upstream and never backported | 19:52 |
| jeblair | there was talk about looking into whether a backport was feasible (it's a one line patch). i don't know if anyone has done that. | 19:52 |
| jeblair | but yeah, a further upgrade seems doable. | 19:52 |
| pabelanger | I can look into the backport, if we want to stay. But also happy to xenial | 19:52 |
| fungi | the version in xenial is apparently new enough not to suffer, but of course comes with its own new and as of yet unidentified bugs most likely ;) | 19:52 |
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| fungi | so sort of a roll of the dice, but on the other hand we'll need to upgrade it to xenial (or something else) eventually too | 19:53 |
| fungi | i'm leaning toward going ahead and doing a second upgrade maintenance, but i don't have time to drive it so would need a volunteer regardless | 19:54 |
| pabelanger | we know a few ubuntu packagers, we should atleast see if we can get the patches into -updates | 19:54 |
| fungi | and i'll admit if ubuntu can sru that patch into trusty-updates, that's a lot less work for us | 19:54 |
| jeblair | i'd prefer not to have to upgrade until after the summit. | 19:55 |
| fungi | plus, that benefits people running trusty mailman packages besides us | 19:55 |
| fungi | yeah, we're definitely getting close to the summit now | 19:55 |
| pabelanger | I'll get an SRU request in place | 19:55 |
| fungi | pabelanger: great, thanks! | 19:55 |
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| clarkb | ya, I'm just rarely hopeful those go through quickly (considering the python3 experience on a current LTS) | 19:55 |
| fungi | jeblair: have a link to the defect report or upstream patch? | 19:55 |
| fungi | well, mailman is much more of a "leaf" package than an interpreter would be | 19:56 |
| fungi | a lot fewer reverse-depends to consider | 19:56 |
| jeblair | fungi: i'll look it up | 19:57 |
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| jeblair | #link mailman bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/1251495 | 19:57 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1251495 in mailman (Ubuntu Trusty) "Lists with topics enabled can throw unexpected keyword argument 'Delete' exception." [High,Triaged] | 19:57 |
| fungi | thanks! | 19:57 |
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| fungi | #action pabelanger Open an Ubuntu SRU for bug 1251495 | 19:58 |
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| fungi | should just be able to add the ubuntu package as an affected project on that mailman bug and go from there | 19:58 |
| pabelanger | sure | 19:58 |
| fungi | #topic Open discussion | 19:59 |
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| fungi | one minute remaining | 19:59 |
| mtreinish | firehose! | 19:59 |
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| jeblair | i will be unavailable next week | 19:59 |
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| fungi | i was going to also try and work in a topic for requested repo renaming maintenance scheduling | 19:59 |
| fungi | jeblair: me too! | 19:59 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open++topic:more-firehose | 19:59 |
| jeblair | fungi: see you there! ;) | 19:59 |
| fungi | sounds like it'll be a (quiet|busy) week for infra | 19:59 |
| fungi | oh, and we're out of time | 20:00 |
| fungi | thanks all! | 20:00 |
| fungi | tc meeting, up next. stay tuned! | 20:00 |
| mtreinish | also if an infra-root is available to help me push things into prod this week, that'd be nice :) | 20:00 |
| fungi | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 4 20:00:19 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-04-04-19.03.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-04-04-19.03.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-04-04-19.03.log.html | 20:00 |
| ttx | indeed | 20:00 |
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| * fungi is still here, i think | 20:00 | |
| flaper87 | o/ | 20:00 |
| ttx | Who's here for the TC meeting ? | 20:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | o/ | 20:00 |
| dtroyer | o/ | 20:00 |
| EmilienM | o/ | 20:00 |
| stevemar | o/ | 20:00 |
| sdague | o/ | 20:00 |
| jroll | \o | 20:00 |
| johnsom | o/ | 20:00 |
| mtreinish | o/ | 20:00 |
| * edleafe watches from the balcony | 20:01 | |
| dims | o/ | 20:01 |
| ttx | dhellmann, dims, mordred, thingee: around ? | 20:01 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 20:01 |
| ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 4 20:01:17 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:01 |
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| ttx | Hi everyone! | 20:01 |
| cdent | o/ | 20:01 |
| ttx | Thanks EmilienM for chairing last week | 20:01 |
| flaper87 | hello | 20:01 |
| ttx | Although my plan to skip the meetign failed completely | 20:01 |
| * Rockyg is snuffling and sneezing as far away from everyone else as possible | 20:01 | |
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| * ttx blames DST | 20:01 | |
| EmilienM | ttx: my pleasure. I can do it anytime again | 20:01 |
| ttx | Our agenda for today is at: | 20:02 |
| * flaper87 blames ttx | 20:02 | |
| mordred | o/ | 20:02 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 20:02 |
| ttx | #topic Renew & add Zanata dev members as extra ATC | 20:02 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/451625 | 20:02 |
| ttx | I had trouble matching some of those to active Foundation memberships | 20:02 |
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| ttx | Is it OK if I approve this as soon as I get the confirmation of active membership ? | 20:02 |
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| mordred | ++ | 20:03 |
| dims | +1 ttx | 20:03 |
| ttx | Will be tight to include them to the TC election | 20:03 |
| dtroyer | +1 | 20:03 |
| flaper87 | ++ | 20:03 |
| mtreinish | ttx: ++, I'm fine with it once you sort that out | 20:03 |
| fungi | yeah, i think we've generally fast-tracked extra-atcs changes as long as the ptl votes in favor | 20:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 | 20:03 |
| EmilienM | +1 | 20:03 |
| ttx | #agreed OK to approve once we clear out the question of active Foundation membership | 20:03 |
| ttx | #topic Clarify project addition process | 20:03 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/452073 | 20:03 |
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| ttx | The idea here is to make the process slightly more discoverable | 20:04 |
| ttx | and encourage projects to engage early on with the Technical Committee on the question of scope match | 20:04 |
| ttx | I did fix the comments that were posted | 20:04 |
| ttx | Looks like we have quorum | 20:04 |
| fungi | i like the word "adequation" | 20:04 |
| ttx | It's a pretty common French word, but I checked that it existed in English before using it :) | 20:04 |
| thingee | o/ | 20:04 |
| ttx | Alright, approved, thanks! | 20:05 |
| ttx | #topic Propose the addition of an assert:maintenance-mode | 20:05 |
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| ttx | amrith: around ? | 20:05 |
| amrith | yup | 20:05 |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/449925 | 20:05 |
| amrith | hello | 20:05 |
| * ttx reads recent comments | 20:05 | |
| amrith | sorry, I was multitasking, let me shut down other tasks | 20:06 |
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| dhellmann | I made the same assumption dtroyer did about the purpose of this tag as an indication that a project is not necessarily healthy | 20:06 |
| ttx | mtreinish: to answer your question, I think it's OK for a project with an otherwise-active team to declare a specific deliverable in maintenance-only mode | 20:06 |
| amrith | dhellmann, that isn't the only situation where this would happen | 20:06 |
| amrith | and I expect that there are times, and I certainly see this with trove moving forward where a specific deliverable may become maintenance mode | 20:07 |
| mtreinish | ttx: sure, but I think maintenance mode means something different to me then the core team is AWOL | 20:07 |
| dtroyer | I think the distinction between 'entire project' and 'deliverable' is important here | 20:07 |
| mtreinish | which is what the tag is written as | 20:07 |
| amrith | one of the things I want to do with trove is to split the deliverables to make the project more modular | 20:07 |
| dhellmann | well, we have lots of deliverables that don't see many changes but that are actively maintained. I'm not sure we would want to apply this to them except as an indication of a possible problem. | 20:07 |
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| amrith | currently we have all databases in a single deliverable, trove | 20:07 |
| flaper87 | dtroyer: 'entire project' is the team | 20:07 |
| amrith | I'd like to split that and make it per deliverable database | 20:08 |
| ttx | dhellmann: you mean, there is no value in describing a project that is in maintenance-mode ? | 20:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | dtroyer: this does feel a bit per deliverable | 20:08 |
| dtroyer | flaper87: it is also the set of all fo the deliverables, which is not people | 20:08 |
| dims | should be able to do either at the project or deliverable level | 20:08 |
| dhellmann | ttx: the only reason I could see to declare that is if we think that state is either good or bad. Otherwise, it's just normal, right? | 20:08 |
| amrith | dhellmann, ttx, I have removed the project wide maintenance mode notion | 20:08 |
| ttx | It feels like communicating to users that a project will not grow new features at the moment, is a useful thing to communicate | 20:08 |
| thingee | dims: ++ | 20:08 |
| ttx | amrith: good | 20:08 |
| dims | this is a signal to outside world to set expectations | 20:09 |
| flaper87 | dtroyer: I meant to say that project team covers that, people and set of deliverables. | 20:09 |
| dtroyer | amrith: ++ although there may be a shred or two of that still present | 20:09 |
| flaper87 | ttx: ++ | 20:09 |
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| ttx | dims: I'd rather keep tags applied at team OR deliverable level, not AND | 20:09 |
| dhellmann | ok, I guess I can see that. The oslo libraries we have that might otherwise fit this description aren't being prevented from having new features, they're just sort of done. | 20:09 |
| amrith | the ONLY thing that can have maintenance mode is a deliverable. now, if you set all deliverables to maintenance mode, you are signaling something is not good with the project. | 20:09 |
| mriedem | if i applied this to the sqlalchemy-migrate library, can i stop getting a bunch of random useless pep8 and typo fix patches? | 20:09 |
| sdague | so, while it was removed, just for the record I'd be fine with project wide maintenance mode tag | 20:09 |
| dims | ttx : yep, OR is good | 20:09 |
| sdague | mriedem: I thought we -2ed most of those :) | 20:09 |
| amrith | sdague, YES | 20:09 |
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| mtreinish | mriedem: heh, isn't that maintenance? | 20:10 |
| amrith | I am hoping that with this, I can get some of that. | 20:10 |
| dhellmann | mriedem : we should definitely apply this tag to sqlalchemy-migrate | 20:10 |
| ttx | mtreinish: yes | 20:10 |
| sdague | dhellmann: ++ | 20:10 |
| dims | ++ mriedem | 20:10 |
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| mriedem | you know the patches will continue to come, | 20:10 |
| ttx | The idea of the tag is to communicate the effect to the user | 20:10 |
| mriedem | because no one will read the tag first | 20:10 |
| flaper87 | I think this tag makes sense, FWIW. I like what it communicates and how it communicates it | 20:10 |
| ttx | not to make a statement on the team state | 20:10 |
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| dims | mriedem : we are not going to stop people from posting patches | 20:11 |
| amrith | flaper87, ++ I agree, a well written proposal | 20:11 |
| amrith | :) | 20:11 |
| thingee | ttx: seems like a side effect | 20:11 |
| flaper87 | amrith: rofl | 20:11 |
| ttx | *if* a team is so abandoned that it can't do basic maintenance, then yes it should die | 20:11 |
| dhellmann | amrith, ttx: the use of the term "transient period of low activity" makes me think you believe this would be a temporary situation for a deliverable | 20:11 |
| fungi | we've sort of got the same situation with a number of infra deliverables, where we really don't want to add new features/complexity to them but contributors seem to take that message as a hostile rejection of their right to innovate | 20:11 |
| thingee | for some teams that don't have much deliverables | 20:11 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: I think the idea there was to say that it's something you could recovber from. I agree it's slightly unlikely though | 20:11 |
| amrith | dhellmann, yes. transient is the operative word | 20:12 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: that's how I read it, yep. | 20:12 |
| sdague | dims: well, we could always have maintenance bot which replies "this project is in maintenance mode, most patches won't be accepted." just so that there is some feedback to contributors that don't realize | 20:12 |
| dims | ttx : +1 to basic maint else die | 20:12 |
| dims | sdague : true | 20:12 |
| dhellmann | amrith, ttx: I'm reading your responses to my question as not being aligned. | 20:12 |
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| amrith | dims, ++ | 20:12 |
| dhellmann | well, I guess you are. | 20:12 |
| amrith | dhellmann, let's look at them specifically | 20:12 |
| amrith | I think we are | 20:12 |
| dhellmann | it seems like we're talking about 2 slightly different things | 20:12 |
| ttx | dhellmann: I'm fine withthe wording, but could support its removal :) | 20:12 |
| amrith | but if I'm conveying the idea that I'm not, let's clarify | 20:12 |
| dhellmann | either the team is moribund or the deliverable is "done" | 20:12 |
| dhellmann | having a "done" deliverable, as unlikely as that seems, is a good thing | 20:13 |
| dhellmann | having a moribund team is less good | 20:13 |
| mtreinish | dhellmann: that's the distinction I was tring to get at before | 20:13 |
| amrith | dhellmann, there are two use cases; yes. | 20:13 |
| ttx | dhellmann: is there value in discerning between the two cases, from a user perspective ? | 20:13 |
| mtreinish | and the way the proposal is written is more for the former | 20:13 |
| ttx | mtreinish: the intent was to keep it positive | 20:13 |
| dhellmann | so if we're going to say "this project is not receiving new features" then let's focus on that, rather than all of the "not guaranteeing to be responsive with feature reviews" phrasing | 20:13 |
| amrith | in the short term, I would like to mark all trove deliverables to be maintenance mode; that use-case is the indication that the project is in a 'not good' state. | 20:13 |
| jroll | we've talked about bugfix/stability cycles, too, that seems like it could apply here (but not sure it would be a useful way to communicate that) | 20:13 |
| sdague | personally, it feels like maintenance mode is very in line with graceful step down. It is signaling honestly that some bit of things has wound down. That can be data for people that care to step up, or for people that deploy things that are concerned about features to consider what they are going to do next. | 20:13 |
| amrith | but I believe that this is transient | 20:13 |
| flaper87 | ttx: I think there is. If the team is moribund then all its deliverables might be affected | 20:13 |
| amrith | there are things I'm working on to get us to a better state. | 20:14 |
| amrith | but once we remove the tag on all deliverables, I would like to split the project | 20:14 |
| dhellmann | sdague : that's what I thought, but I don't think that's what amrith and ttx actually mean | 20:14 |
| amrith | into multiple deliverables, like trove-mysql, trove-mariadb, trove-mongodb, ... and so on | 20:14 |
| sdague | dhellmann: ok, I could be misreading and putting a lot of my expectations in there | 20:14 |
| amrith | if that happens, different 'drivers' could be in different states of done'ness | 20:14 |
| dhellmann | sdague : my expectations aligned with yours, which is why I'm trying to clarify | 20:14 |
| sdague | amrith: I get, in the trove case would it make more sense to just deprecate a bunch of those dbs | 20:14 |
| sdague | s/I get/I guess/ | 20:15 |
| amrith | sdague, i don't think so | 20:15 |
| amrith | consider this | 20:15 |
| amrith | in mysql there are two kinds of replication | 20:15 |
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| amrith | binlog and guid | 20:15 |
| ttx | I guess the question is whether we want to conflate things that are maintenance-only because they are done, with things that are maintenance-only because their team is in low-activity mode | 20:15 |
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| ttx | The tag conflates the two cases | 20:15 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I don't think we do | 20:15 |
| amrith | if I went to the place I want to, I'd have trove-mysql-binlog-replication as a deliverable (not the best name) | 20:15 |
| dhellmann | yes | 20:15 |
| dhellmann | I think "low activity team" is another tag | 20:15 |
| dtroyer | ttx: do we need status:done or status:mostly-done? | 20:15 |
| flaper87 | ttx: team status should be specified at a team level, I think | 20:16 |
| amrith | and I could mark that in maintenance while -guid would remain active | 20:16 |
| amrith | sdague ^^ | 20:16 |
| dhellmann | I'm not sure what the trove case is, but I think it's "low activity team" | 20:16 |
| dhellmann | flaper87 : ++ | 20:16 |
| amrith | dhellmann, yes. now it is, to paraphrase someone, a 'low energy team' | 20:16 |
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| ttx | flaper87: why ? Corner case a moribund team would place most of its deliverable in maintenance mode to focus on one | 20:16 |
| dims | dhellmann : they way i saw it, if it was set a deliverable level then that thing is in maintenance, if applied at project level then team is going away | 20:16 |
| amrith | hopefully soon, the project would go to a different place where the current unwieldy deliverable is replaced my many deliverables | 20:17 |
| amrith | and individual deliverables could be pushed to maintenance mode | 20:17 |
| dhellmann | amrith : I don't know how valuable it is to say that driver X is only being maintained and not seeing new features. I do see it as valuable for a whole project, or for a team. | 20:17 |
| fungi | or at best the team is in stasis with a hope of eventual recovery | 20:17 |
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| amrith | dhellmann, the latter (whole project or team) is the current use case | 20:17 |
| amrith | so let's focus on that one for now | 20:17 |
| Rockyg | rather than status done, how about complete? it has all the features that it's going to have. Any changes are bugfixes now. | 20:17 |
| dhellmann | dims : yeah, we want to describe those cases separately, though, and it's easier to think of tags as having one scope or another | 20:17 |
| flaper87 | it's not the same. As unlike as it may sound a team that used to have drivers might merge everything into a single repo and mark the drivers as maintenance mode | 20:17 |
| ttx | fwiw I'm not attached to the current (conflating) version, just trying to explain why it ended up in that place, since I reviewed an early draft and influenced it :) | 20:17 |
| cdent | I think the ambiguity between a project being done and a project (or deliverable) being unattended is bad here. Because "being done" should be considered not just a good thing, but a goal. | 20:17 |
| amrith | it is the stated intent to mark all of trove's deliverables as maintenance mode right now | 20:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | is "no-new-features-now" the flag we want here? there do seem to be lots of overlapping things here. | 20:18 |
| dims | don't want too many tags either... | 20:18 |
| flaper87 | probably not the best example (ttx see my prev message) | 20:18 |
| dhellmann | cdent : ++ | 20:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | cdent: I am leaning in your direction here | 20:18 |
| amrith | OK, all, could we assert that for the purposes of this tag, we only discuss the 'team is low energy for now' use case | 20:18 |
| amrith | and ignore the per-deliverable maintenance mode? | 20:18 |
| dhellmann | amrith, ttx: I feel like the case we have right now is not well covered by this tag because of the conflation. Do you want to modify the definition to focus on the team aspect? | 20:18 |
| jroll | cdent: agree. I can't decide if "maintenance mode" here means "slow" or "unattended". the latter implies a lack of maintenance. | 20:18 |
| ttx | OK, so it sounds like we should rewrite this in a way that makes it more of a team tag, like team:low-activity | 20:19 |
| cdent | amrith: in that case maintenance is the wrong word | 20:19 |
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| cdent | ttx++ | 20:19 |
| dhellmann | amrith : make a team:low-activity tag | 20:19 |
| dtroyer | amrith: I think we should look at those as separate things (team vs deliverable) | 20:19 |
| ttx | basically describe minimal activity levels before removal | 20:19 |
| dhellmann | right | 20:19 |
| dims | designate would qualify as well | 20:19 |
| amrith | cdent, I'm happy to pick another word. and make a team flag | 20:19 |
| amrith | happy to leave name choice out for now | 20:19 |
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| ttx | amrith: sounds like that's where the majority lies | 20:19 |
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| amrith | and focus on the theme cdent dhellmann | 20:19 |
| amrith | the proposal is to come up with | 20:19 |
| EmilienM | ttx: would this tag considered an official step before retiring a project? | 20:19 |
| amrith | (a) a team tag | 20:19 |
| ttx | EmilienM: no | 20:20 |
| amrith | (b) indicates that the team is in a low energy mode | 20:20 |
| amrith | (c) is expected to be transient | 20:20 |
| amrith | EmilienM, or reviving the project | 20:20 |
| dims | why (c)? | 20:20 |
| jroll | amrith: s/expected/hoped/? :) | 20:20 |
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| mriedem | ttx: why not? | 20:20 |
| ttx | EmilienM: I think it's good to say that the minimal activity requires releases, security bugs watch etc | 20:20 |
| amrith | dims, the idea is that this is transient | 20:20 |
| * flaper87 things there's room for both a team level and a deliverable level tag | 20:20 | |
| dhellmann | amrith : and then this would be a tag a team asserts about itself or the TC attaches to a team if the team fails to participate over the course of a cycle (I don't know where the minimum bar would be, but 0 releases should be in there somewhere) | 20:20 |
| EmilienM | ttx: I agree with that statement | 20:20 |
| ttx | EmilienM, mriedem: some projects will just go directly to sub-minimal | 20:20 |
| dims | (c) will imply someone will have to curate the tag periodically | 20:20 |
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| amrith | dhellmann, Yes | 20:20 |
| dhellmann | amrith : I wouldn't focus on the transient aspect. We're all just dust in the wind, after all. | 20:21 |
| Rockyg | ++ flaper87 | 20:21 |
| ttx | Like if a project doesn't do releases at all, it should not get the tag | 20:21 |
| dims | dhellmann : ++ | 20:21 |
| mriedem | if activity is low enough that you can't even land the security fixes through the gate, then it's time to retire... | 20:21 |
| amrith | dhellmann, ok. with that, the proposal would be (a) and (b) stated above | 20:21 |
| dims | ttx : ++ | 20:21 |
| flaper87 | ttx: mriedem EmilienM and there's also the project team and deliverable distinction, which is important | 20:21 |
| amrith | with the prerequisites as stated in the proposal | 20:21 |
| dhellmann | ttx: if they do no releases they should *not* get the tag? | 20:21 |
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| amrith | dhellmann, they WILL do releases | 20:21 |
| dims | should get the low tag :) | 20:21 |
| amrith | that is a stated expectation | 20:22 |
| jroll | ttx: +1 | 20:22 |
| fungi | seems like there's a bit of subjective fuzzyness regardless. i expect most teams have more work to do than they can reasonably expect to get through and leave some on the floor | 20:22 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: the tag basically describes the minimal activity level | 20:22 |
| amrith | dhellmann, see line 65 | 20:22 |
| dhellmann | ttx: so in that case all teams will have it, because they're doing the minimal amount of work? | 20:22 |
| Rockyg | separate the deliverable tag from this proposal. Keep this just team | 20:22 |
| ttx | minimal acceptable activity level includes doing releases | 20:22 |
| dhellmann | or at least the minimum | 20:22 |
| ttx | dhellmann: it also describves a list of things that those teams will not commit to do | 20:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | but if there are no patches? we still need the release to bump requirements? | 20:23 |
| dhellmann | I think we want this to work like the single-vendor flag. If you fall below a threshold, you get the tag. | 20:23 |
| fungi | yeah, no point in fixing security vulnerabilities if you don't make releases to include/distribute them | 20:23 |
| jroll | dhellmann: there's three levels, AIUI: 1) active, no tag; 2) low activity, does bare minimum, yes tag; 3) no activity, no tag, pls retire | 20:23 |
| dtroyer | dhellmann: that's how I read it | 20:23 |
| ttx | dhellmann: right. It describes that threashold, but also the threshold under which you should not fall | 20:23 |
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| ttx | lest you shalt be removed | 20:23 |
| dhellmann | jroll : if a team is so low activity to not even apply for the tag or do a release, I think we would just retire it, no? | 20:23 |
| amrith | maybe one thing to do is to have a couple of passes at defining a metric which we can assess programmatically like the single vendor tag. I'll take the action item to do that if y'all would like | 20:23 |
| dhellmann | ttx: ok, the threshold to stay official should be documented separately | 20:24 |
| jroll | dhellmann: yes | 20:24 |
| ttx | OK, looks like amrith has the feedback he needs now | 20:24 |
| sdague | amrith: honestly, a metric seems less useful here than the team itself asserting it | 20:24 |
| amrith | ttx, yes I do | 20:24 |
| sdague | I wouldn't want to figure out a crazy metric | 20:24 |
| dhellmann | sdague : I think I agree with that. | 20:24 |
| ttx | dhellmann: probably yes | 20:24 |
| dims | am with sdague, wanted teams to self-apply | 20:24 |
| jroll | sdague: ++ | 20:24 |
| flaper87 | sdague: ++ | 20:24 |
| amrith | so, this may be premature, but I'm hoping that by the end of the week I can tell you that trove won't need the tag after all. but no promises on that. | 20:24 |
| dims | don't want to broker or judge or check periodically | 20:24 |
| ttx | sdague: dhellmann said that it should not be an assert, as those are desirable behavior. I kinda agree | 20:25 |
| dims | amrith ++ | 20:25 |
| ttx | But can be self-influcted team tag in 99% of the cases | 20:25 |
| ttx | inflicted* | 20:25 |
| jroll | I think the TC may need to encourage teams to take the tag now and then, though | 20:25 |
| ttx | OK, I think we can move on | 20:25 |
| dims | jroll : that's fair | 20:25 |
| EmilienM | amrith: we look forward to know | 20:25 |
| dhellmann | ttx, sdague : let's call this team:low-activity and let teams add it themselves or have the TC add it based on subjective judgement | 20:25 |
| ttx | dhellmann: ++ | 20:25 |
| amrith | EmilienM, you and me both :) | 20:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | well if the teams not doing anything, will the remember about the tag? I guess thats what jroll said | 20:26 |
| fungi | i think if the tc needs to apply the tag, it's something worse than warrants that tag | 20:26 |
| ttx | I think it's a great tool to signal teams taht are struggling and need help | 20:26 |
| jroll | johnthetubaguy: right :) | 20:26 |
| EmilienM | amrith: what is the key factor here? | 20:26 |
| dims | johnthetubaguy : its a bat signal for, we need help here too right? | 20:26 |
| dhellmann | johnthetubaguy : right, if a team is so inactive as to not even think about this tag, it's probably on its way to being moribund enough that we would just retire it | 20:26 |
| dims | ah ttx beat me to it | 20:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | dhellmann: possibly yeah | 20:26 |
| mriedem | fwiw i'm in an active team and never think about our tag status | 20:26 |
| amrith | EmilienM, I don't follow your question | 20:26 |
| jroll | I don't think teams often think about tags | 20:26 |
| jroll | mriedem: ++ | 20:26 |
| fungi | ttx: dims: if there are bat signals for that, let me know. infra could use a few ;) | 20:26 |
| mriedem | b/c there are so many tags and i'm separated from them | 20:26 |
| EmilienM | amrith: what happens this week? I might have missed something | 20:26 |
| ttx | Alright, let's move on | 20:26 |
| dims | :) fungi | 20:27 |
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| ttx | amrith has everything he needs for next rev | 20:27 |
| dims | mriedem : yep | 20:27 |
| amrith | EmilienM, time is up, ttx says move along :) | 20:27 |
| EmilienM | amrith: well done ;-) | 20:27 |
| amrith | thanks all, I have the feedback I need for now | 20:27 |
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| ttx | Thanks for pushing this amrith | 20:27 |
| ttx | #topic Use case analysis for Golang addition to Openstack | 20:27 |
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| amrith | but if things don't work, I'll blame dims | 20:27 |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/451524 | 20:27 |
| * dims bows | 20:28 | |
| ttx | is thiago here ? | 20:28 |
| tdasilva | hello | 20:28 |
| notmyname | hello | 20:28 |
| ttx | tdasilva: oh, hi! | 20:28 |
| flaper87 | tdasilva: notmyname yo yo! | 20:28 |
| tdasilva | ttx: o/ | 20:28 |
| ttx | Looks like exactly what I had in mind for a "Step 1" | 20:28 |
| dhellmann | this is a nice write up, thanks for putting it together | 20:28 |
| ttx | but then I didn't write /that/ process | 20:28 |
| * flaper87 is happy to see this moving forward | 20:28 | |
| tdasilva | dhellmann: thanks | 20:28 |
| ttx | That was flaper87's | 20:28 |
| * flaper87 looks around | 20:28 | |
| ttx | Any last-minute question before I approve ? | 20:29 |
| tdasilva | not from me, thanks everyone for reviewing | 20:29 |
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| * flaper87 was about to make a terrible joke... holding back | 20:29 | |
| ttx | alright then | 20:29 |
| flaper87 | no questions | 20:29 |
| fungi | last-minute +1 from me. looks great | 20:29 |
| jroll | flaper87: meetings are prime for terrible jokes | 20:30 |
| thingee | amazing ps1 merge | 20:30 |
| jroll | this is a great write-up, thanks tdasilva :) | 20:30 |
| ttx | approved | 20:30 |
| flaper87 | jroll: :P | 20:30 |
| ttx | flaper87, dims: Now it's approved, does that mean we need to start working / finalize the work on step 2 now ? | 20:30 |
| thingee | achievement unlocked | 20:30 |
| ttx | As a reminder, step 2 means setting up the CI pipelines, define how the deliverables are distributed, how dependencies will be managed... | 20:30 |
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| ttx | Define how stable maint, i18n & docs will work, define a way to share code/libraries, and guarantee compatible functionality for the base common libraries. | 20:30 |
| dims | ttx : yes, i'd like to see some work on the common libraries etc | 20:30 |
| flaper87 | yes, it means all that needs to happen :) | 20:30 |
| EmilienM | flaper87: can you pm the private joke? | 20:30 |
| ttx | Feels like we already started that | 20:30 |
| dtroyer | ttx: we have | 20:30 |
| dtroyer | some of it at least | 20:31 |
| fungi | are there any ci jobs building/testing gocode yet? | 20:31 |
| dims | ttx : we have brought up a lot of infrastructure already. but a lot more work needs to be done | 20:31 |
| dims | fungi : yep | 20:31 |
| fungi | awesome! | 20:31 |
| flaper87 | I'm happy to help and follow-up on the process aspects of this work | 20:31 |
| dtroyer | fungi: golang-client has a small unit test job | 20:31 |
| flaper87 | if there are questions about the expectations, do let me know | 20:31 |
| fungi | one small step for golang-client, one giant leap for the ecosystem | 20:32 |
| flaper87 | tdasilva: and myself had a convo about this at the PTG, tho | 20:32 |
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| ttx | flaper87: cool, just want to make sure we cross all the T's based on your process description | 20:32 |
| dims | fungi : i was just poking at devstack+k8s+k8s-e2e tests (http://logs.openstack.org/53/453253/2/check/gate-k8s-cloud-provider-golang-dsvm-conformance-ubuntu-xenial/80726c8/console.html) | 20:32 |
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| fungi | nice | 20:32 |
| dtroyer | the dependency mirroring bits for CI are going to take some work | 20:32 |
| ttx | alright, anything else to discuss on this topic ? | 20:32 |
| tdasilva | in terms of CI jobs I noticed a jenkins job for golang, but not sure where that is being used yet | 20:33 |
| dims | tdasilva : can i expect swift team to help with the golang commons library? | 20:33 |
| fungi | dtroyer: consider retrieving deps through our caching proxy as an alternative maybe? | 20:33 |
| dims | tdasilva : y, ping me later on openstack-golang, and will walk you through what is there | 20:33 |
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| ttx | I'd rather say "members of the Swift team", don't think everyone needs to jump in | 20:33 |
| tdasilva | dims: sounds good | 20:33 |
| dims | ++ ttx | 20:33 |
| dtroyer | fungi: expect questions tomorrow | 20:34 |
| fungi | dtroyer: though could get similarly complex since it sounds like there's no central host for go deps | 20:34 |
| dtroyer | right | 20:34 |
| ttx | yes the dep situation still needs to be clarified a bit | 20:34 |
| ttx | From a release management perspective, the fallback will be to publish signed tarballs, but ideally we'd like to support whatever makes the most sense in this world | 20:35 |
| ttx | which is *not* signed source code tarballs apparently :) | 20:35 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 20:35 |
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| mtreinish | ttx: heh | 20:35 |
| dtroyer | ttx: the biggest thing I'm worried about for releases are the genrated files and how to include those | 20:35 |
| mordred | dtroyer: I gave in an committed them to the repo in oaktree | 20:35 |
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| mordred | dtroyer: I still feel dirty and wrong - but it's how go works | 20:36 |
| ttx | mordred: boo | 20:36 |
| dhellmann | fungi, dtroyer : I wonder if we can learn anything about mirroring build dependencies from some of the distros. I know RH doesn't like to have a build depend on outside servers, either. | 20:36 |
| fungi | the gocosystem seems perfectly happy with git tags (or even just random git commit shas from arbitrary foks on github at times?) sounds like | 20:36 |
| mordred | ttx: there is literally no other choice when the consumptoin model is only via git | 20:36 |
| ttx | mordred: what's next. Jars deployed with maven ? | 20:36 |
| dims | ttx : so question for you, what's the next check point before we allow an official release of a go based deliverable? | 20:36 |
| dtroyer | that's where tools like glide are helpful, as an indirection step to setting up the GOPATH dirs | 20:36 |
| ttx | All my certainties are gone | 20:36 |
| mordred | ttx: :) | 20:37 |
| mordred | dtroyer: this is true - although once you get in to things like generating protobuf code from .proto files ... | 20:37 |
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| ttx | dims: I think we can add stuff in now, as long as the step 2 work is in progress and we are pretty confident the work will be completed | 20:37 |
| dhellmann | ttx: time is circular | 20:37 |
| ttx | But then flaper87 designed that process | 20:37 |
| dims | ack ttx | 20:38 |
| ttx | so I'm happy to defer to him on when time is right | 20:38 |
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| ttx | OK, let's move on | 20:38 |
| flaper87 | dims: As far as release go, the step 2 should be completed | 20:38 |
| flaper87 | but that doesn't prevent projects from being created | 20:38 |
| dims | flaper87 : ack on that | 20:38 |
| dims | right | 20:38 |
| ttx | Like I said, for release management we have a fallback | 20:38 |
| ttx | and we can incrementally improve from there | 20:39 |
| ttx | for dependency management, not sure we have such a fallback | 20:39 |
| * flaper87 wonders if ttx is trying to hack "The Process" | 20:39 | |
| flaper87 | :P | 20:39 |
| ttx | It's more just a fall | 20:39 |
| dims | abyss! | 20:39 |
| ttx | Today is pun day | 20:39 |
| ttx | OK, moving on! | 20:40 |
| ttx | #topic Add a "docs:install-guide-verified" tag | 20:40 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/445536 | 20:40 |
| ttx | dhellmann: you sent an email to ask that we table this until you have a chance to work out the next draft with Alexandra ? | 20:40 |
| dhellmann | asettle and I are working on a new draft of this | 20:40 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I think we'll have something next week | 20:40 |
| ttx | ok, so maybe useless to talk about it now | 20:40 |
| dhellmann | yeah, let's skip it for now | 20:40 |
| ttx | Have several topics for open discussion, so ok to skip | 20:40 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 20:41 |
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| ttx | I had a few topics to cover | 20:41 |
| ttx | * Centrally documenting API versions for exposure in project navigator | 20:41 |
| ttx | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/114690.html | 20:41 |
| ttx | The web team at the Foundation would like to expose accurate API version information in the Project Navigator | 20:41 |
| ttx | A noble goal | 20:41 |
| ttx | So they would like to collect things like http://paste.openstack.org/show/604775/ or http://paste.openstack.org/show/604776/ (which rosmaita proposed) | 20:41 |
| ttx | I would rather not add this to projects.yaml though, because it's not governance, nor does it need TC approval | 20:41 |
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| ttx | lsell suggested that they create a specific project-navigator repository to collect that information | 20:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | we have links to api-ref docs now, is there a reason why thats not enough? | 20:42 |
| ttx | (and any other non-governance-releated information they will need for the navigator in the future) | 20:42 |
| mtreinish | ttx: yeah it seems out of place in projects.yaml | 20:42 |
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| ttx | Does that sound like a good idea ? We can make it a TC-owned repo and delegate review. | 20:42 |
| ttx | Or would you rather collect that information somewhere else ? | 20:42 |
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| ttx | johnthetubaguy: I think the issue is if each project does things differently | 20:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | it just feels like a failure of the existing API docs | 20:42 |
| dhellmann | johnthetubaguy : ++ | 20:42 |
| sdague | so, I think a machine structured overview in api-ref feels like the right thing here | 20:43 |
| mtreinish | ttx: I'm with johnthetubaguy, it feels like the projects can expose this in a standard way | 20:43 |
| sdague | we just need a schema | 20:43 |
| fungi | what if it's consumable by the existing api docs, simply extracted into its own tree/repo for reduced duplication? | 20:43 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: if we want to standardize, then let's get the API WG to set a standard | 20:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: that works | 20:43 |
| jroll | johnthetubaguy: so the new project navigator wants to show which API versions are supported in (the current?) release. I would show you but the dev version is broken | 20:43 |
| jroll | sdague: that makes sense to me | 20:43 |
| fungi | seems a lot like the discussion about coming up with a standard format for driver feature matrices between projects | 20:43 |
| dhellmann | jroll : the question is, why is that in the navigator to begin with? | 20:44 |
| ttx | dhellmann: it's blocking the release of the new version though, so it's not realkly a one-year thing | 20:44 |
| jroll | johnthetubaguy: ah here it is, see version history toward the bottom http://devbranch.openstack.org/software/releases/ocata/components/glance | 20:44 |
| dhellmann | fungi : ++ | 20:44 |
| dhellmann | ttx : the question is, why is that in the navigator to begin with? | 20:44 |
| jroll | dhellmann: good question, I can't answer that :/ | 20:44 |
| fungi | the project navigator wants a project/api versioning history, the marketplace wants driver feature matrices and contact details... | 20:44 |
| ttx | dhellmann: I asked the question, and it was mentioned as a useful piece of information to communicate about a given service | 20:44 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I'm also not sure why you think agreeing on a standard outside of any of our processes is going to be faster or work better than using the working group :-) | 20:44 |
| sdague | the API version information seems useful honestly, I have no problem with it being there | 20:44 |
| mordred | it should be correct though | 20:45 |
| mordred | and should include the list of versions each release supports | 20:45 |
| sdague | I think we just need an owner on defining a schema | 20:45 |
| mordred | like, that glance page is wrong | 20:45 |
| ttx | dhellmann: well, the API WG was very busy for the last 3 months defining API compatibility :) | 20:45 |
| dhellmann | then, yeah, I guess let's set up a new repo to hold whatever data the navigator team needs that isn't available somewhere else | 20:45 |
| jroll | mordred: right, hence why we're talking about a machine readable format :) | 20:45 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: ++ | 20:45 |
| fungi | options seem to be in a central repo or distributed across teams | 20:46 |
| dhellmann | sdague : wouldn't that be the navigator devs? | 20:46 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: ++ | 20:46 |
| mordred | I mean - we do already have a machine readable format for versions in a release - maybe we just use that? | 20:46 |
| sdague | dhellmann: sure | 20:46 |
| fungi | but with a consistent schema in either case | 20:46 |
| ttx | I mean, *if* data ends up being covered somewhere else, we can delete it from the project-navigator extra-information directory | 20:46 |
| dhellmann | fungi : centralize it | 20:46 |
| jroll | mordred: we do? for api versions? | 20:46 |
| mordred | and whereit diverges across projects, use this as an opportuntity to fix that | 20:46 |
| mordred | jroll: yes | 20:46 |
| sdague | mordred: it's not super readable | 20:46 |
| mordred | no - it's Machine readable | 20:46 |
| jroll | mordred: where? | 20:46 |
| mordred | a program can read it | 20:46 |
| sdague | yeh, where? | 20:46 |
| mordred | the version discovery document each service services from / | 20:47 |
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| sdague | mordred: ok, but you have to stand up the services at all those versions | 20:47 |
| dhellmann | so literally you have to stand the service up and ask it | 20:47 |
| jroll | mordred: you want the project navigator to run every version of every api service? | 20:47 |
| mordred | nono - I get that ... | 20:47 |
| mordred | no | 20:47 |
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| mordred | I'm not saying we collect it that way | 20:47 |
| mordred | I'm saying we HAVE a format - we just need to collect it and stick it somewhere | 20:47 |
| mordred | so it can be read | 20:47 |
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| jroll | right | 20:47 |
| dhellmann | oh, just use the same format | 20:47 |
| cdent | why not each project keep a chunk of yaml in its own git. the projects.yaml knows where those repos are | 20:47 |
| jroll | the question is where :) | 20:47 |
| mordred | literally ever project can already produce this data | 20:47 |
| sdague | cdent: yeh, pretty much | 20:47 |
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| ttx | mordred: we could dump that information in that project-navigator git repo alright | 20:48 |
| mordred | cdent: sure. but maybe keep that chunk of yaml in an identical document format to what GET / would return | 20:48 |
| * johnthetubaguy is still confused what people use that info in the navigator for, has CD too ingrained in his head | 20:48 | |
| dhellmann | I don't know. I'd just put it in one repo. It's much easier to change the schema as needed that way, since the tools could live there, too. | 20:48 |
| jroll | I'm fine with something in api-ref per project or a central repo. tend to prefer the former so we can update it in the same patch that changes the microversion | 20:48 |
| ttx | dhellmann: much easier to collect the information too | 20:48 |
| cdent | mordred: yeah, that would be nice | 20:48 |
| ttx | cloning a thousand repos is not taht fun | 20:48 |
| dhellmann | ttx: ++ | 20:49 |
| fungi | yep, so comes back to the same as the driver feature matrix discussion. we agree there should be a common schema, there's disagreement on whether it's centralized (and whose responsibility it is to review proposed changes) or distributed across teams to each maintain their own | 20:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | but, will it be kept up to date if it is centralized? | 20:49 |
| mordred | thing is - if there is a single document with a collection of discovery documents for a release | 20:49 |
| sdague | ttx: cloning them is more fun then forgetting to update the centralized repo | 20:49 |
| mordred | then one would imagine a tool for reading it | 20:49 |
| dhellmann | johnthetubaguy : will it be kept up to date if it's not? | 20:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | what fungi said | 20:49 |
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| mordred | which would mean maybe a _cloud_ would also post such a documentfor itself | 20:49 |
| mordred | that could also be read | 20:49 |
| mordred | without having to hit every service | 20:49 |
| mordred | and we baby step towards users knowing what's going on | 20:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | dhellmann: it seems as likely as the api-ref to be up to date, if its part of that | 20:49 |
| sdague | yeh, api-ref has high incentive to stay up to date now | 20:50 |
| dhellmann | johnthetubaguy : they want the history, too, though, right? not just what's current? | 20:50 |
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| sdague | and that's part of a normal management process | 20:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | dhellmann: that seems like a one time thing that needs adding as a release goal | 20:50 |
| sdague | anyway, we still need a schema | 20:50 |
| jroll | dhellmann: ironic is able to keep something like this up https://github.com/openstack/ironic/blob/master/doc/source/dev/webapi-version-history.rst | 20:50 |
| jroll | just needs a format | 20:50 |
| fungi | dhellmann: the schema could be append-only and you just stop updating it in stable branches? | 20:50 |
| dhellmann | ok. I'm not doing the work, so I'll let others decide on central or distributed data storage. | 20:50 |
| sdague | ttx: whoever is doing this from foundation side able to tackle the schema question, as they are parsing it? | 20:51 |
| mordred | please don't define a new schema. please please please | 20:51 |
| sdague | mordred: then you define the schema :) | 20:51 |
| dhellmann | mordred : are all of the services returning data in the same schema? | 20:51 |
| thingee | would like to bring up that for the Market Place, the projects are coming together on Nova's originally matrix in a ini file as a common format to suck in the information to the foundation's site. | 20:51 |
| ttx | mordred: available to work with jimmy on a format ? | 20:51 |
| fungi | mordred: what current schema do you have that encapsulates the release-by-release portion of the requirement? | 20:51 |
| mordred | dhellmann: it's nearly identical - the schema being the superset is not hard | 20:51 |
| thingee | these come from each project's repo. could probably just follow that idea | 20:51 |
| sdague | because I guess I don't quite see how we get from the single release one we have to the multi one | 20:51 |
| dhellmann | mordred : ok, cool | 20:51 |
| sdague | mordred: but if you solve it, will totally implement it | 20:52 |
| mordred | sdague: awesome. I will sign up to do that | 20:52 |
| * dims checks what's on mordred 's plate already :) | 20:52 | |
| ttx | I just don't want them to be stuck until we agree on a file format when all they need is a piece of information from each project :) | 20:52 |
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| ttx | #agreed mordred will come up with a format that avoids creating yet another format for this information | 20:53 |
| sdague | ttx: well, mordred hopefully figures it out quick with jimmy | 20:53 |
| fungi | perhaps we could, in parallel, give them the info they need for the initial veesion of teh site and work on a format/parser so they don't have to keep asking? | 20:53 |
| sdague | then we implement quick | 20:53 |
| ttx | sdague: yes, I'm hopeful :) They are in the same TZ | 20:53 |
| sdague | any ask is basically just doing that with an adhoc schema | 20:53 |
| fungi | heck, they're in the same state a lot of the time | 20:53 |
| ttx | fungi: that's plan B if plan A takes forever | 20:53 |
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| ttx | OK, I'll connect the dots | 20:54 |
| ttx | * TC election - this is nomination week | 20:54 |
| ttx | #link https://governance.openstack.org/election/ | 20:54 |
| ttx | As a reminder, the following members have terms ending in April: dims, dtroyer, flaper87, johnthetubaguy, mtreinish, thingee, ttx | 20:54 |
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| ttx | Whether you plan to run (or plan not to run), you should probably post something this week to the -dev list. | 20:54 |
| * johnthetubaguy nods at ttx | 20:54 | |
| ttx | Anything else, anyone ? | 20:54 |
| thingee | I have announced my non-candidacy http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-April/114974.html | 20:54 |
| zaneb | I added the footnote with implementation info that sdague requested to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447031/ | 20:55 |
| sdague | TC vision draft is out | 20:55 |
| ttx | dhellmann, EmilienM, thingee: quick update on Forum topics selection, maybe ? | 20:55 |
| sdague | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/453262/ | 20:55 |
| jroll | sdague: ++ | 20:55 |
| EmilienM | ttx: we are working on the selection this week | 20:55 |
| * dims thanks thingee for his work and guidance on the TC! | 20:55 | |
| EmilienM | and we are ranking the sessions | 20:55 |
| thingee | ttx: we have a process in place to start selecting before our meeting this thursday I believe? | 20:55 |
| dhellmann | we're reviewing now and meeting thursday to discuss the forum sessions | 20:55 |
| sdague | ttx: I think you are on the hook for doing the email broadcast around that | 20:55 |
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| ttx | dims: he is not gone yet | 20:55 |
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| ttx | sdague: yes | 20:55 |
| * mtreinish is still working on his election repo patch | 20:55 | |
| dims | :) | 20:55 |
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| fungi | dims: i think that means there's still time to change his mind? ;) | 20:56 |
| EmilienM | sdague: we should tweet it :D | 20:56 |
| sdague | EmilienM: feel free :) | 20:56 |
| dims | fungi :) | 20:56 |
| EmilienM | sdague: I'm bad at that | 20:56 |
| sdague | I was just making sure it got out there, and I think ttx said he was going to do the publicizing | 20:56 |
| ttx | sdague: I'm fine with sharing the task with whoever | 20:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | does that come once we have the survey ready? | 20:57 |
| ttx | Just thoughts I would use my -dev ML juice for the cause | 20:57 |
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| * ttx gmances at the TC backlog | 20:58 | |
| ttx | glances even | 20:58 |
| dims | we should get this out (castellan/oslo - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/451131/) | 20:58 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: good question, probably worth getting gothicmindfood looped in on that. It would be nice to have survey feedback ready to go | 20:58 |
| ttx | zaneb's Resolution on OpenStack's mission for cloud applications shall be back on the table next week | 20:58 |
| sdague | when the ML post hits | 20:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: +1 | 20:59 |
| dhellmann | dims : I think that one falls under the "one week with no objections" rule | 20:59 |
| dims | ah cool thanks dhellmann | 20:59 |
| zaneb | ttx: I updated the review after last week's discussion | 20:59 |
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| ttx | zaneb: yes, looks like it's going well | 20:59 |
| zaneb | I think that addresses everything sdague requested | 20:59 |
| ttx | mordred's "Add tag assert:never-breaks-compat" might be back if there is some new rev in it | 20:59 |
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| sdague | zaneb: yes, thank you | 21:00 |
| EmilienM | I'll probably skip next meeting, due to the leadership training | 21:00 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I like the cloud application thing, its really the same thing I was trying to do with the VM & BM resolution, so I might think on how to do the same thing for that | 21:00 |
| dtroyer | a non-trivial subset of us will be in MI next week… | 21:00 |
| ttx | We'll also discuss the App Catalog team removal | 21:00 |
| zaneb | sdague: cool, thanks | 21:00 |
| dims | outta time... | 21:00 |
| fungi | EmilienM: as will i | 21:00 |
| ttx | Oh right | 21:00 |
| jroll | michigan \o/ | 21:00 |
| * fungi updates excuses list | 21:00 | |
| ttx | We might want to skip | 21:00 |
| dtroyer | 5 by my count | 21:00 |
| ttx | You clearly should not have a TC meeting during that week | 21:00 |
| dhellmann | that's a big group to be missing | 21:00 |
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| ttx | ok, I'll move that discussion to the -tc ML | 21:00 |
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| dhellmann | ++ | 21:01 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 4 21:01:08 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2017/tc.2017-04-04-20.01.html | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2017/tc.2017-04-04-20.01.txt | 21:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2017/tc.2017-04-04-20.01.log.html | 21:01 |
| ttx | Missed taht conflict | 21:01 |
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| fungi | looks like we have 6 tc members attending, so quorum will be tough | 21:01 |
| * fungi may also have miscounted | 21:01 | |
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| ttx | Also in the middle of campaigning period, so not crazy to skip | 21:01 |
| zaneb | ttx: fwiw I won't be around next week either | 21:01 |
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| ttx | oh well, sold | 21:01 |
| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-wg | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 4 21:02:16 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_wg' | 21:02 |
| oneswig | and now for something completely different :-) | 21:02 |
| ttx | oneswig: sorry for being late leaving the room, as always | 21:02 |
| oneswig | No problem ttx! | 21:02 |
| ttx | I tend to rant at 11pm | 21:02 |
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| trandles | I just got back from another meeting but it looks like I didn't miss much yet | 21:02 |
| * fungi now has mpfc theme music stuck in his head | 21:03 | |
| fungi | thanks oneswig | 21:03 |
| oneswig | Don't we all??? | 21:03 |
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| oneswig | #link agenda for today: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#IRC_Meeting_April_4th_2017 | 21:03 |
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| oneswig | the larch | 21:03 |
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| priteau | Hello | 21:03 |
| oneswig | #chair martial | 21:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: martial oneswig | 21:03 |
| martial | hello oneswig priteau | 21:04 |
| oneswig | Hello priteau trandles martial et al | 21:04 |
| martial | Hello world :) | 21:04 |
| oneswig | Is Blair online? | 21:04 |
| oneswig | Let us press on, hopefully he'll catch up | 21:05 |
| martial | #topic OpenStack Summit sessions | 21:05 |
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| oneswig | martial: and then there were three! | 21:05 |
| martial | So we have three planned meeting at this point: General / BoF / Lightning Talk | 21:06 |
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| oneswig | Do they run consecutively? | 21:07 |
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| oneswig | I saw some messages go by about rescheduling... | 21:07 |
| martial | we have two slots on wednesday morning | 21:07 |
| martial | 9am to 9:40am and 9:50am to 10:40am | 21:07 |
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| priteau | I see lightning talks on Tuesday | 21:07 |
| priteau | 11:15am-11:55am | 21:08 |
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| oneswig | martial: will you and Blair run the lightning talks session or are you looking for volunteers? | 21:09 |
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| trandles | the scheduling gods very graciously moved things around to avoid conflicts with the congress | 21:09 |
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| martial | oneswig we are chairing I believe, actually just me | 21:09 |
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| b1airo | o/ | 21:09 |
| martial | oneswig: so yes I need an extra volunteers for Tuesday | 21:09 |
| martial | #chair b1airo | 21:09 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b1airo martial oneswig | 21:09 |
| oneswig | Hi b1airo | 21:09 |
| b1airo | apologies for the lateness - wifi woes | 21:10 |
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| martial | I do not know if blair will be there by Tuesday at noon | 21:10 |
| b1airo | neither do i yet... | 21:10 |
| b1airo | what have we got on Tuesday, the BoF ? | 21:11 |
| jmlowe | If you need laymen I can help out on Tuesday | 21:11 |
| oneswig | Thanks jmlowe - let's minute that! | 21:11 |
| martial | hi jim, you will be welcome, thank you | 21:11 |
| b1airo | ha, GTC schedule is up! my talk is at 11am on Monday, so I should be back in Boston on Tuesday - may not have slept much though... | 21:12 |
| oneswig | martial b1airo: what are the plans for the free-form session on Wednesday? | 21:12 |
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| b1airo | let's make an action to get our "Scientific OpenStack Summit Schedule" drafted | 21:13 |
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| b1airo | #action: b1airo to draft Summit schedule etherpad | 21:13 |
| rbudden | hello | 21:14 |
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| b1airo | hi rbudden | 21:14 |
| rbudden | sorry i’m a bit late | 21:14 |
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| b1airo | it's fashionable | 21:14 |
| b1airo | (i should know) | 21:14 |
| rbudden | baby duty ;) | 21:14 |
| oneswig | #action jmlowe to help with lightning talks session | 21:15 |
| oneswig | hi rbudden - hope fatherhood's going well... | 21:15 |
| rbudden | i’m willing to help with lightning talk orchestration as well | 21:15 |
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| b1airo | ah yes of course, i'd forgotten - congratulations rbudden! hope fatherhood is treating you well | 21:15 |
| rbudden | oneswig: thanks, going good! | 21:15 |
| oneswig | #action rbudden too | 21:15 |
| rbudden | b1airo: thanks! | 21:16 |
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| priteau | Congratulations rbudden, I didn't know. | 21:16 |
| trandles | indeed, congrats! | 21:16 |
| rbudden | thanks all! i’ll give everyone the baby updates at the summit outside our meeting ;) | 21:16 |
| rbudden | pics of course! | 21:16 |
| trandles | you're learning just how overrated sleep can be ;) | 21:16 |
| rbudden | yep | 21:17 |
| martial | (need 5 minutes for something, brb, sorry) | 21:17 |
| b1airo | oneswig, looks like you beat me to it? https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Scientific-WG-boston | 21:17 |
| oneswig | No recollection of that - was it the other oneswig? :-_ | 21:17 |
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| b1airo | you should get him to stay at home while you come to boston?! | 21:18 |
| oneswig | I suspect he's already used my ticket! | 21:19 |
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| oneswig | What's the latest on the forum topics? | 21:22 |
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| b1airo | i was wondering that too and thinking about following up to the lists asking about the next steps | 21:24 |
| priteau | b1airo: I brought up the duplicate reservation topic at our Blazar meeting this morning. Masahito wasn't there, but he should reply to your comment hopefully today | 21:24 |
| b1airo | i don't think the 2nd part of the process worked as well as the foundation folks were expecting, so there seems to be a bit of work in sifting through and combining sessions | 21:24 |
| martial | (back) | 21:25 |
| b1airo | hi priteau - cool, well maybe it isn't a duplicate, but certainly related | 21:25 |
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| martial | I have not heard much back either on the forum topics, the etherpad does list names now | 21:26 |
| oneswig | On that subject I'm aware of plenty of other work going on with cinder multi-attach that should combine into one | 21:26 |
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| b1airo | would be good to cover the high level advanced scheduling topics. Blazar no doubt deserves its own session/s | 21:26 |
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| oneswig | priteau: how much activity are you seeing now on blazar? | 21:27 |
| b1airo | martial, the etherpad is now obsolete - they all needed to be submitted to forumtopics.openstack.org | 21:27 |
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| priteau | oneswig: we have a group of 4 core reviewers that are quite active, plus at least 3 non-core regular reviewers. All participate in weekly meetings, contributing to specs, etc. | 21:28 |
| oneswig | priteau: that's brilliant - well done on bringing it back to life | 21:28 |
| priteau | We still have some bug fixing to do, but the hardest part has been done I think. We're starting to include new functionality. | 21:29 |
| martial | b1airo: the ones with names are our BoF at this point then? https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-UC-brainstorming-scientific-wg | 21:29 |
| priteau | It was a common effort, I am glad I was able to meet interested folks in Barcelona | 21:29 |
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| b1airo | martial, the working group sessions have been pre-organised - the other stuff is the free-form community-lead part | 21:30 |
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| b1airo | priteau, does that mean Blazar is now working with Nova trunk again ? | 21:30 |
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| priteau | b1airo: yes, it's the first thing we fixed | 21:31 |
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| priteau | we have a devstack install + tempest tests gate | 21:31 |
| oneswig | priteau: is OPIE on the event horizon yet? | 21:31 |
| b1airo | priteau, would be good to get your input on the current thread on os-ops ML | 21:32 |
| priteau | oneswig: not yet, but that's a great discussion topic for the forum | 21:32 |
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| b1airo | and does this mean Blazar is fully relying on manipulating host-aggregates for reservations now and can work alongside on-demand aggregates ? | 21:33 |
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| priteau | b1airo: will do, I have noticed this thread only today | 21:34 |
| priteau | b1airo: yes, you summed it up well in your email | 21:34 |
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| oneswig | I just noticed, the forum proposals I made have comments added - I don't think I was mailed about this. If you have proposed forum topics, better check their state for comments in case... | 21:36 |
| b1airo | ah good, how prescient of me | 21:36 |
| priteau | My email filters were matching on [blazar] and [scientific-wg], so I only saw it when I manually browser user-committee | 21:36 |
| priteau | s/browser/browsed/ | 21:36 |
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| b1airo | ah, i think we advise using [scientific] on the wiki, but i've noticed oneswig uses both - can we pick one? | 21:37 |
| b1airo | oneswig, yeah i asked Tom about that and he said this time around we just have to keep checking | 21:38 |
| oneswig | Previously I've thought of scientific-wg for user-committee (being wg centric) and scientific for ops | 21:38 |
| oneswig | but having just one makes much more sense! | 21:38 |
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| priteau | +1 | 21:39 |
| priteau | Sorry to hijack the agenda with mailing list etiquette :-) | 21:39 |
| martial | priteau: hey regexp rules are important | 21:40 |
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| b1airo | i like the shortest option: [scientific] - gotta same valuable subject line real estate | 21:41 |
| b1airo | s/same/save/ | 21:41 |
| priteau | seconded | 21:41 |
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| oneswig | thirded | 21:41 |
| trandles | priteau: I've had the same difficulties with the subject tags so THX for hijacking ;) | 21:42 |
| priteau | oneswig: maybe keep [scientific-wg] for a couple of weeks and mention it in your next agenda emails | 21:42 |
| oneswig | In OpenStack, even an email subject tag has to have a managed EOL :-) | 21:43 |
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| oneswig | #action oneswig to stop tagging with [scientific-wg] - use [scientific] instead - in a couple of weeks | 21:43 |
| oneswig | #action priteau to update his mail filters | 21:43 |
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| priteau | Done, I have updated my filter to match on Subject contains scientific. No wg, no square brackets! | 21:43 |
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| oneswig | OK are there items for the Boston Cloud Congress? | 21:45 |
| b1airo | oneswig, lol, no just rip it out and wait to see if anyone screams | 21:45 |
| martial | oneswig: agree wtih b1airo on this one | 21:46 |
| oneswig | b1airo: your alternative career in medicine is a tragic loss | 21:46 |
| martial | I am part of most meetings and its agenda is coming together | 21:47 |
| b1airo | martial, do you have a handle on the overarching goals for the meeting ? | 21:48 |
| rbudden | i’ve been lurking on the meetings as well and will be attending… are the majority of this group staying for the BCC? | 21:48 |
| oneswig | martial: what direction are things going in? | 21:48 |
| martial | rbudden: I am | 21:48 |
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| priteau | I'm registered for the BCC, but depending on the schedule I might also attend summit sessions on Thursday | 21:49 |
| trandles | I'll be at the congress | 21:49 |
| martial | well it is still moving into generating working groups | 21:49 |
| martial | and the agenda and the search for speaker | 21:49 |
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| martial | am trying to find the link the proposed agenda | 21:50 |
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| bollig | martial: ? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ADid14vKrN6YM5V9SV6Sbvj8Ud87I5vJ16CaaTRmj-c/pub | 21:51 |
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| martial | bollig: thanks, a direct link to the proposed agenda | 21:51 |
| martial | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1i3gjLxaFk8FcX_RNNT5iicELuUCE24x6HAQ4M4O4Q5I/edit | 21:51 |
| martial | as you can see they are splitting it into different topics/interest groups | 21:52 |
| martial | they want to have breakout sessions | 21:53 |
| priteau | The event dates are out of date right? | 21:53 |
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| martial | in general the tone of the teleconference is good, although still many items to clarify | 21:53 |
| b1airo | priteau, yes as far as i know it's thurs-fri | 21:54 |
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| priteau | b1airo: that's what I signed up for | 21:54 |
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| oneswig | Good to see matters taking shape | 21:54 |
| b1airo | anyone have the actual rego link handy ? | 21:54 |
| martial | registration link #link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/boston-open-research-cloud-workshop-tickets-31893256589 | 21:54 |
| martial | (sigh) | 21:55 |
| martial | #link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/boston-open-research-cloud-workshop-tickets-31893256589 | 21:55 |
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| oneswig | Nearly out of time... any more to cover here? | 21:56 |
| trandles | should be some action on the evening social soon | 21:56 |
| priteau | Is there a social? | 21:56 |
| trandles | there is | 21:56 |
| oneswig | Yes indeed... | 21:56 |
| trandles | I think I'll be asking for a venue vote in the next week | 21:57 |
| oneswig | We ought to look at choice of evening too I guess | 21:57 |
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| trandles | I was tentatively thinking Wednesday night | 21:57 |
| martial | is there an official stack-party this time? | 21:57 |
| martial | (ie not that night :) ) | 21:58 |
| trandles | there is, at Fenway Park on Tuesday | 21:58 |
| oneswig | trandles: makes good sense to have it after speakers have spoken on HPC/Research track - which IIRC is mostly Wednesday | 21:58 |
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| trandles | yeah | 21:58 |
| martial | trandles: do not remember receiving a link to register | 21:58 |
| trandles | haven't put one out yet martial | 21:58 |
| trandles | mostly because oneswig and I are still working funding | 21:59 |
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| b1airo | trandles, yeah Weds is probably a good choice given i imagine there will be a dinner or something on thursday of the BCD | 21:59 |
| martial | trandles: I meant for the official partay | 21:59 |
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| trandles | martial: I haven't seen anything but an announcement for the official do | 21:59 |
| trandles | and that might have been on facebook or something | 22:00 |
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| martial | b1airo: from the BCD's agenda:"BREAK for general participants until dinner at 19.30" | 22:00 |
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| oneswig | We are out of time, alas | 22:00 |
| martial | so yes Thuesday is BCD night | 22:00 |
| trandles | oneswig: I'll email you RE: social... | 22:00 |
| oneswig | trandles: already looking forward to it :-) | 22:00 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 4 22:01:07 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-04-04-21.02.html | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-04-04-21.02.txt | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-04-04-21.02.log.html | 22:01 |
| rbudden | trandles: hit me up with the social as well | 22:01 |
| rbudden | :) | 22:01 |
| oneswig | Thanks y'all | 22:01 |
| rbudden | looking forward to Boston! | 22:01 |
| trandles | rbudden: will do | 22:01 |
| rbudden | yep, talk to everyone later! | 22:01 |
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| priteau | martial: https://twitter.com/OpenStack/status/839290852463759360 | 22:02 |
| priteau | rbudden: https://twitter.com/OpenStack/status/839290852463759360 | 22:02 |
| oneswig | The green monster! | 22:02 |
| rbudden | priteau: thx | 22:02 |
| b1airo | cheers all, good night/day | 22:02 |
| martial | priteau: cool | 22:02 |
| oneswig | Until next time | 22:02 |
| armstrong | Hello | 22:02 |
| martial | see you all :) | 22:03 |
| priteau | bye all! | 22:03 |
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