Thursday, 2017-05-11

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ekcstime for congress meeting. aimeeu thinrichs ramineni_00:00
ekcs#startmeeting congressteammeeting00:00
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ramineni_ekcs: hi00:01
ekcshi all! welcome back to another meeting. collaborative list of topics are kept here as usual: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-meeting-topics00:01
ekcshi ramineni_00:01
ramineni_ekcs: howz the summit going on?00:02
ekcsit’s going well. got to participate in some interesting discussions around rbac, hierarchical quotas, api microversioning, deprecating postgres, etc.00:04
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ramineni_ekcs: ohk, great00:06
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ekcsok let’s move along then =)00:06
ekcs#topic gate failure00:06
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ekcslooks like you’ve resolved/worked around the two main issues, devstack and keystone v2?00:07
ramineni_ekcs: yes, but still one issue is pending00:07
ekcsthanks a ton!00:07
ekcswhat’s the pending issues ramineni_ ?00:08
ekcsdealing with the remaining keystone v2 stuff?00:08
ramineni_ekcs: HA tests and keystone v2 tests are disabled as of now00:08
ramineni_ekcs: yes , with the removal of v2 v3 in the auth_url, v3 is working staright forward , but still need to figure out identifying v200:09
ramineni_HA test problem is also we are using idnetity v2 clients for creation of replica00:09
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ekcsah I didn’t notice the HA stuff. so is that just a matter of changing to v3 in the way replicas are created?00:10
ramineni_ekcs: and also, you remember making the local copy of manager file which used to be in tempest?00:10
ekcsyes00:10
ramineni_ekcs: any idea, if can remove this and use directly00:11
ramineni_https://github.com/openstack/congress/blob/master/congress_tempest_tests/tests/scenario/manager.py00:11
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ramineni_ekcs:  this part is failing in HA , https://github.com/openstack/congress/blob/master/congress_tempest_tests/tests/scenario/congress_ha/test_ha.py#L4500:13
ramineni_ekcs: taking v2 here , have to use right client here and test it ..ill get to that this week00:13
ekcsthanks so much for figuring stuff out!00:14
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ekcsok ramineni_ said: “any idea, if can remove this and use directly https://github.com/openstack/congress/blob/master/congress_tempest_tests/tests/scenario/manager.py”00:14
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ekcsI’m confused what “this” refers to. what are you proposing to remove?00:15
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ramineni_ekcs: local copy, the link i mentioned00:15
ramineni_can we remove this https://github.com/openstack/congress/blob/master/congress_tempest_tests/tests/scenario/manager.py”00:17
ramineni_?00:17
ekcsok yea mean remove the local copy you linked and use tempest library directly.00:17
ramineni_ekcs: yes00:17
ekcsI would think no because the idea is tempest team is going to take some time to refactor things and create stable interfaces.00:18
ekcswhen they’re done we’ll rework things to use their new interfaces.00:18
ramineni_ekcs: ok00:18
ekcsin the mean time, if we use their library directly, things will break as they make changes.00:18
ekcsunless they’re already done, but i haven’t seen any notice on ML.00:19
ekcsjust did a search again to be sure. nothing on ML.00:19
ramineni_ekcs: ok, got it.00:19
ekcsdoes it help us/you to remove?00:19
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ramineni_ekcs: no00:20
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ekcsoh ok. well i’ll monitor the ML and when i hear update from tempest team I’ll let people know.00:20
ramineni_ekcs: I better not create new failures by touching that file :)00:20
ekcshehe.00:21
ramineni_ekcs: great, thanks00:21
ramineni_ekcs: In the meanwhile , can we merge  to resolve the gate failure as of now.. ?00:21
ekcsok one last thing. in what you’ve looked at so far, do you know if keystone v2 is supposed to work (we just use it wrong) or not supposed to work at all?00:21
ramineni_ekcs: local devstack failing because of the issues, so we need that patch to be merged asap00:22
ekcsyup I think we should merge it. I already +1ed.00:22
ekcsyou can go ahead and +2/+100:22
ramineni_ekcs: i couldnt get anything, i have checked the keystone latest commits, nothing of deprecation related00:22
ramineni_ekcs: change in auth_url , may be we have to change the way we are detetcting its v200:23
ekcsok hmm. maybe i’ll ask one of the keystone folks at the summit hehe. ok thanks!00:23
ekcsdo you have the keystone patch handy that changed the auth_url expected?00:24
ramineni_ekcs: you meant this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/458449/00:25
patchbotpatch 458449 - openstack-dev/devstack - try to use unversioned keystone endpoints everywhere (MERGED)00:25
ekcshmm ok. yea I see that devstack patch, was wondering if we know the keystone patch that made this necessary.00:27
ekcsfrom there we may be able to figure things out.00:27
ekcsthere must have been a change on keystone that made the versioned auth_url not work.00:28
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ramineni_ekcs: yes, ok, couldnt find it as of now00:28
ekcsnot necessarily easy to track down tho.00:28
ekcsyea. ok. great00:28
ekcsif i get hold of a keystone guy i’ll ask =)00:28
ramineni_ekcs: great :)00:29
ekcsok well lets move on then?00:29
ramineni_yes00:30
ekcs#topic policy library00:32
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ekcsok too bad no thinrichs and masahito, but let’s see what we can do.00:32
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ekcsthanks for the comments.00:32
ekcson #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/457880/6/specs/pike/policy-library.rst@9600:32
patchbotpatch 457880 - congress-specs - policy library spec00:32
ramineni_ekcs: yep, i was just wondering if we have explored that option ?00:33
ramineni_ekcs: and still couldnt get why we need to store template policies in DB  ? and if we want to store, can u update inthe spec, what all details we are storing?00:34
ramineni_ekcs: is it just the id, or all details?00:34
ekcsok so there are two things.00:35
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ekcsfor whether to go actual templates instead of plain policy that can be editted: thinrichs came up with that design. I think the idea is we may not have time this cycle to figure out all the details needed to deal with templates (what syntax, would it interfere with existing rule syntax? do we need new parser grammer?, what gui, etc)00:36
ekcsso we can get almost all the benefit without explicitly doing placeholders.00:36
ekcsjust use normal variables/constants, and choose names that make it clear users can edit them.00:36
ekcsdo you see a major benefit of using templates instead of actual policies users can edit?00:37
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thinrichsHi all.  Sorry I'm late—got caught up (again)00:38
ramineni_thinrichs: hi00:38
ekcsah you’re here just in time for the pol lib discussion.00:38
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ekcswe’re talking about ramineni_ ’s comment here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/457880/6/specs/pike/policy-library.rst@9600:39
patchbotpatch 457880 - congress-specs - policy library spec00:39
ramineni_ekcs: hmm , i saw using jinja2 is easier , so proposed that option , but may be for next cycle as you mentioned00:40
ekcsekcs: for whether to go actual templates instead of plain policy that can be editted: thinrichs came up with that design. I think the idea is we may not have time this cycle to figure out all the details needed to deal with templates (what syntax, would it interfere with existing rule syntax? do we need new parser grammer?, what gui, etc)00:40
ekcs[5:36pm] ekcs: so we can get almost all the benefit without explicitly doing placeholders.00:40
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ekcsthat’s what I said. anything correction/addition thinrichs ?00:40
thinrichsekcs: nope—that was the thought.  That a template is a lot of work, and people will want to modify things more than a template provides (eventually) anyway.00:42
thinrichsThere's nothing stopping us from adding the functionality of templates later00:42
ramineni_thinrichs: ya, ok00:42
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ekcsok the other issue is why do we persist the policy library in DB.00:43
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ekcswhat model do you have in mind ramineni_ ?00:44
thinrichsMy thought there was if we store them in the DB then it's easy to make them accessible via the API00:45
thinrichswhich we'd need to do, esp for Horizon00:45
ramineni_thinrichs: after modifying or before modfying?00:45
thinrichsBoth.  The policy "library" has its own API and policies contained within it are not active.  (Eventually these could be raw policies or templates.)00:46
ramineni_thinrichs: if user wants to use only 2/3 policies of it? still we load all the policies into DB00:47
thinrichsThen the user wants to apply/instantiate a policy from the library and make it active.00:47
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thinrichsThe library DB tables would be completely separate from the current Policy/Rule tables.00:47
thinrichsThe library DB tables have their own CRUD operations to add new policies, look at the ones that exist, update, and delete.00:48
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thinrichsAll those operations would be completely independent of our current CRUD operations on Policies/Rules.00:48
ramineni_thinrichs: what details are we storing in DB for policy libraries? same as policy table?00:48
thinrichsI believe so.  Not sure if there are any extra fields we'd want.  The spec might cover that.00:49
ekcsramineni_: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/457880/6/specs/pike/policy-library.rst@9600:49
patchbotpatch 457880 - congress-specs - policy library spec00:49
ekcshere is the table I propose in the spec00:50
ekcsugh nvm00:50
ekcswrong link00:50
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thinrichsThe difference is most obvious with execute[] rules.  The execute[] rules in the Library tables would never fire; but the execute[] rules in the Policy/Rules tables would fire.00:50
thinrichsSaid another way, the Policy Engine would never see any of the Library policies (until they were inserted into the Policy/Rules tables).00:50
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ekcshttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/457880/6/specs/pike/policy-library.rst@20900:51
patchbotpatch 457880 - congress-specs - policy library spec00:51
ramineni_thinrichs: hmm, so user would edit the polciies in files or using API?00:51
ramineni_thinrichs: sample policies**00:52
ekcsthe API is how congress server sees it.00:52
ekcsbut CLI would support referencing a file.00:52
ekcsand passing it along to server using API.00:53
ekcshorizon would have edit box. but again pass it along to server using API.00:53
ekcsin the current spec proposal anyway.00:53
thinrichsLooking at the sample policies, I'd think most of the time people will want to edit them before instantiating them (templating might make that easier).00:54
thinrichsIn Horizon, that editing could be done in an edit box, as ekcs suggests.00:54
thinrichsFrom the CLI it's unclear to me, but I'd imagine pulling the policy into a file, having the user edit it, and uploading the file.00:54
thinrichsThe CLI could also stitch together the download + upload APIs into a single command00:55
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thinrichsfor those cases when the user doesn't want to edit00:55
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thinrichsWhen we support templates, I'd imagine the user would want to instantiate the template with given parameters.00:56
ekcsin either `policy create` or `library policy create` the CLI can accept either the policy with all rules in json/yaml as well as path to file.00:56
ekcsin `policy create`, an additional option is to create directly from a policy stored in the library, by referencing it’s name.00:57
ekcsa deployer may have already edited that policy in the library to be suitable for the particular setup. then an admin can simply activate it this way.00:57
thinrichsSo the CLI would be something like "openstack congress library install <policy name> <values>", which would under the hood (a) pull down the template, (b) run the template, (c) upload the instantiated policy.  (We could move some/all of that to the server too)00:58
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thinrichs(The above was for the templated case.)00:58
thinrichsdown the road00:58
ramineni_thinrichs: yes, thats what i had in mind00:59
ekcsHere’s the proposed API for activating directly from library without editing. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/457880/6/specs/pike/policy-library.rst@60900:59
patchbotpatch 457880 - congress-specs - policy library spec00:59
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ekcswell we’re out of time. let’s continue on gerrit =)00:59
ramineni_ekcs: ok01:00
thinrichsOk01:00
ekcsor we could contine on #congress if interested.01:00
ekcsanyway i’ll be on congress.01:00
ekcssee you next time!01:00
ekcs#endmeeting01:00
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zhenguo#startmeeting mogan02:01
openstackMeeting started Thu May 11 02:01:51 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is zhenguo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.02:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.02:01
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liushengo/02:02
zhenguoliusheng, luyao, Xinran, zhangyang: o/02:02
luyaoo/02:02
zhenguoas always, the agenda:02:03
zhenguo#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Mogan#Agenda_for_next_meeting02:03
Xinrano/02:04
zhenguook, seems we only got 4 guys here02:04
zhenguolet's jump in02:04
zhenguo#topic announcements and reminders02:05
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zhenguonext weekly meeting will be canceled due to the bug smash activities, as most of us will be there02:05
zhenguoand seems we got at least one guy from each company :D02:05
liushengyes, let's meet in SuZhou02:06
liusheng:)02:06
zhenguohah02:06
zhenguooops, not only guys bug gals, lol02:06
liushengsure02:06
zhenguoand maybe we can not treat it like a 'bug smash', we can do more dicussion, maybe like mid-cycle.02:07
zhenguoyou can prepare topics you want to discuss, anything is fine :D02:07
zhenguook, another thing I want to mention here is the mogan UI02:08
zhenguoit is basicly ready to show, you can try with mogan-ui plugin enabled in devstack conf02:08
liushengzhenguo: that is cool, thanks for zhenguo's great work!02:08
zhenguoand I would like to show you how mogan manage bareemtals during the bug smash with real physical env02:08
zhenguoliusheng: hah02:08
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zhenguoI will try to finish the first patch of flavor refactoring, at least we can show more hardware properties with it02:09
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zhenguonot much of announcement, any else have a thing here?02:10
zhenguook, let's move on02:11
zhenguo#topic task tracking02:11
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zhenguo#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mogan-task02:11
* zhenguo gives folks a few minutes to review02:11
zhenguowrt new flavors, I will try got land the first patch by this week02:12
zhenguothen make the scheduler to aware new flavor properties02:12
zhenguobut before that, we only use node-type for scheduling02:12
liushengzhenguo: ok, will try to review02:13
zhenguoliusheng: thansk02:13
zhenguoliusheng: how's the scheduler hints one, seems patch is ready to review02:14
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liushengzhenguo: in Nova, seems there are some exact_core, exact_ram, exact_disk filters for baremetal scheduling02:14
zhenguoliusheng: yes, that makes it more accurate02:14
liushengzhenguo: yes, in my patch, only provide the compacity to pass the scheduler_hint to scheduler02:15
zhenguoliusheng: it will use equal instead of more than02:15
liushengzhenguo: but won't be used because we don't have a scheduler filter to use it02:15
liushengzhenguo: ok02:15
zhenguoliusheng: ok, how about specifying the node_uuid with schedule hints02:16
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zhenguoit would be sure a hint02:16
liushengzhenguo: ok, let me study more, maybe add that in following patches02:17
zhenguoor maybe we will introduce the concept of Rack, scheduling servers to same Rack?02:17
zhenguoliusheng: ok02:17
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zhenguowe need some brain storming during the bug smash02:17
liushengzhenguo: hah, sure02:18
zhenguohah02:18
zhenguofor mogan UI, I have added the basic functionalities, will add more02:18
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zhenguook, the attch/detach interfaces task02:19
zhenguoluyao and Xinran02:19
zhenguoseems the new updated patches look better, sorry for not got time to look through the codes02:20
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liushenglet's review and land the patches asap :D02:21
zhenguoliusheng: sure02:21
luyaozhenguo, liusheng, thank you very much. :D02:21
zhenguonp02:21
zhenguoand seems litao also updated the patch to improve multi server creation scheduling02:22
zhenguoaha, seems he is not here, just a reminder to review it02:23
zhenguook, next is the migration tool02:23
zhenguooh, sorry liusheng02:23
zhenguoI still not got a env to test it02:23
zhenguomaybe you can show it during the bug smash, lol02:23
liushengzhenguo: that is ok02:24
liushengzhenguo: ok02:24
zhenguohah, thanks02:24
zhenguoas wanghao is in Boston now, there's now update for his tasks until he come back02:24
zhenguook, that's all02:25
zhenguoanything else here?02:25
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liushengseems most Mogan guys are absent :P02:25
zhenguoyes, maybe busy with internal stuff02:26
zhenguonot like you and me, lol02:26
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zhenguook, let's move on02:26
liushengzhenguo: also many meetings for me in Thursday :)02:26
zhenguo#topic open discussion02:26
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zhenguoliusheng: hah,02:27
zhenguoliusheng: do you think we should change the meeting time02:27
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zhenguomaybe move it to mid night, lol02:27
liushengzhenguo: I am OK, but is there a strong reason ?02:28
liushenghah02:28
zhenguoliusheng: hah, work time seems not suitable for most of us02:28
zhenguoas internal meetings, stuff,02:28
liushengzhenguo: oh, reasonable'02:28
zhenguohah, let's discuss this with others later02:28
liushengzhenguo: let's talk that in SuZhou02:28
zhenguomaybe not mid night, but some time no in work02:29
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zhenguook, another thing is also the bug smash02:29
zhenguoshould we need to prepare some bugs for it02:29
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zhenguoluyao, Xinran: you don't need to stick to the attach/detach interfaces task if you still got time, you can fix bugs or do more reviews02:32
zhenguoonly if you got time02:32
zhenguook, seems they are not around02:34
zhenguothanks you all for joining the meeing02:35
zhenguowill end it02:35
zhenguo#endmeeting02:35
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ianychoizzxwill, ujuc13:02
ianychoi#startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting13:02
openstackMeeting started Thu May 11 13:02:26 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ianychoi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:02
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)"13:02
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting'13:02
ujuchi13:02
ujuco/13:02
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zzxwillHi ujuc ianychoi13:03
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ianychoiSo in the room - eumel8 and Gene (from Taiwan)13:03
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ianychoi#topic Sharing how Summit is going with I18n13:04
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clarkbOn Monday there was an onborading session for new users with the docs ptl. ianychoi explained how the documentation is translated using zanata13:07
eumel8#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/boston_i18n-teammeeting13:08
clarkbOn tuesday was session on translating logs13:08
clarkbdiscussion on how to get feedback on what things are important and what are not13:08
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ianychoi#link https://www.slideshare.net/ianychoi/i18n-internationalization-101-in-openstack13:16
ianychoi#link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2zuaoRXlSQ13:17
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ianychoiujuc, zzxwill: we are using also Etherpad:)13:19
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ianychoi#topic Report of recent Zanata production server error13:21
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ianychoi#topic User survey translation status13:25
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ianychoicacti.openstack.org13:26
zzxwillSimplified Chinese finished 78%.13:26
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ianychoizzxwill, great!13:27
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ianychoi#link https://github.com/OpenStackweb/openstack-org13:29
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zzxwill_There are many country names needed to be translated which is a little bit annoying.13:30
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ujuc_ha... tooooo many country name....13:31
zzxwill_We might only need to translate our own country leave others as they are? ujuc13:33
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ianychoiujuc_, you don't have to translate country names - those original strings will be removed - I asked this thing to Foundation13:36
ujuc_o//13:36
ujuc_lol13:36
ianychoiujuc_, haha I met the developer who supported user survey translation13:37
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ianychoi#topic Discussion on I18n team PTG participation13:39
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zzxwill_That's a good news. Thanks ianychoi13:39
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ianychoizzxwill_, np :)13:41
ianychoizzxwill_, ujuc: do you want to go to next PTG? It will be held on Sep 11-15 in Denver US13:41
zzxwill_Sure~ ianychoi13:42
ianychoizzxwill_, I should tell the availability of I18n participation for nexxt PTG. It u would like to attend to next PTG, I will tell Foundation that at least you want to attend to PTG for I18n13:43
ujuc_i don't know13:43
ujuc_i want go PTG!!!!!13:44
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zzxwill_Me too.13:45
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ianychoiujuc_, haha zzxwill_ :)13:48
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ianychoi#topic Feedback from I18n contributors: PTG, Summit, Design Summit, Forum13:48
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ianychoiI need to finish14:00
ianychoiujuc_, zzxwill_ thanks a lot for coming14:00
ianychoiI am not sure Etherpad is well written or not14:00
ujuc_:)14:00
zzxwill_thx.14:00
ianychoiBut I will share what we talked later14:00
ianychoiI want to close today IRC meeting14:00
ianychoiBye :)14:01
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ianychoi#endmeeting14:01
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings"14:01
openstackMeeting ended Thu May 11 14:01:05 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)14:01
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-05-11-13.02.html14:01
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-05-11-13.02.txt14:01
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-05-11-13.02.log.html14:01
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ujuc_bye :)14:01
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