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| lennyb | #startmeeting third-party | 15:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 5 15:02:57 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lennyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:03 |
| lennyb | Hello evrybody | 15:03 |
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| mmedvede | hey lennyb | 15:08 |
| mmedvede | sorry I am late | 15:08 |
| lennyb | mmedvede, nice to 'see' you :) | 15:09 |
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| lennyb | anything you would like to discuss today? | 15:09 |
| lennyb | I have a question | 15:10 |
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| mmedvede | just a note about addition of etcd to devstack base service list. It kind of broke non-x86 things | 15:10 |
| mmedvede | we are currently using dirty hacks to make it work | 15:10 |
| lennyb | mmedvede, thanks. We experienced a lot of failures with this, until we disabled it by default :) | 15:11 |
| mmedvede | you are deferring your breakage till some service would start depending on it :) | 15:12 |
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| lennyb | I've noticed that our nodepool makes jobs run slower on the cloud. We have a 3 jobs running one after another, but after first one is finished, the related VM is being deleted | 15:13 |
| lennyb | and nodepool adds a new one | 15:13 |
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| lennyb | during nodepool delete and building the running job are very slow | 15:13 |
| lennyb | any tips/ideas ? | 15:13 |
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| mmedvede | did you check cpu use of nodepoold? I had problems with it (and I think I still do). Last time I investigated it, shade was doing something bad | 15:14 |
| lennyb | sorry, what is 'shade' ? | 15:14 |
| mmedvede | I remember it had a busy wait loop with no sleep, so it was just spinning there like crazy | 15:14 |
| mmedvede | lennyb: shade is an abstraction library nodepool uses to talk to clouds | 15:15 |
| mordred | it shouldn't be a 0-wait busy loop - that was a bug back in the day | 15:15 |
| mordred | so if it is, please let me know and we'll get that fixed | 15:15 |
| mmedvede | mordred: yeah, I think it was solved | 15:15 |
| lennyb | mordred, hi, do you remember when ( what version ) it was solved in? | 15:15 |
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| mordred | cool. there's also a few config settings I can point to that can alleviate that as well - lemme point to link | 15:16 |
| mmedvede | but I still have strange high system load when nodepool does its thing, did not have time to investigate | 15:16 |
| lennyb | I am using 0.3.1 | 15:16 |
| mordred | first 5 lines here: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/system-config/tree/modules/openstack_project/templates/nodepool/clouds.yaml.erb | 15:16 |
| mordred | if you put them in your clouds.yaml - they should control the pause in teh poll loop for those resoruces, which is most likely the issue if you're seeing tight busy loops | 15:17 |
| lennyb | mordred, thanks. I will take a look. | 15:17 |
| mmedvede | I have mine set at 2, would try to set to 5 | 15:18 |
| mmedvede | thanks mordred | 15:18 |
| lennyb | mordred, BTW, could you, pls, review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450296/ | 15:19 |
| patchbot | patch 450296 - openstack-infra/puppet-openstackci - added Single Use Slave plugin | 15:19 |
| mordred | sure nuff - definitely let me know if you continue having problems with that - all of that code is there ot enable scaling, not to make it harder :) | 15:19 |
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| lennyb | anything else you would like to share/discuss/bring up ? | 15:19 |
| mordred | lennyb: done! | 15:20 |
| lennyb | mordred, 10x | 15:20 |
| mmedvede | was trying to find the patch for devstack/etcd fix non-x86 arches would need, would paste shortly | 15:20 |
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| lennyb | mmedvede, I dont see nodepool 0.3.2 tag, unless you meant another version | 15:22 |
| mmedvede | No, I meant 0.3.1, there is no 0.3.2 | 15:22 |
| lennyb | mmedvede, do you have CI on stable branches? | 15:23 |
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| mmedvede | found the review for allowing custom etcd download in d-g: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/467437/ | 15:24 |
| patchbot | patch 467437 - openstack-infra/devstack-gate - Allow overriding ETCD_DOWNLOAD_URL | 15:24 |
| mmedvede | lennyb: yes, we do test on stable branches selectively | 15:25 |
| lennyb | mmedvede, you are running stable/branches on clean VMs, right? | 15:26 |
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| mmedvede | lennyb: yes | 15:30 |
| mmedvede | we currently do not reuse any VMs | 15:30 |
| lennyb | mmedvede, OK. we are reusing physical servers and having some issues with cleaning. | 15:30 |
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| lennyb | mordred, mmedvede, any other questions/issues for today's meeting? | 15:31 |
| mmedvede | lennyb: nothing from me, thanks | 15:33 |
| mmedvede | just a note - patchbot is awesome | 15:33 |
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| lennyb | mordred, mmedvede, Thanks for the meeting. I will close now. See you next week. | 15:34 |
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| lennyb | #endmeeting | 15:34 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 5 15:34:58 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2017/third_party.2017-06-05-15.02.html | 15:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2017/third_party.2017-06-05-15.02.txt | 15:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2017/third_party.2017-06-05-15.02.log.html | 15:35 |
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| notmyname | mmedvede: bah! I was supposed to remove patchbot from here (it's mine, and I've gotten complaints). If you want patchbot to lurk in some channel, let me know | 16:19 |
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| mmedvede | notmyname: I would not mind it in #openstack-third-party-ci. It is a low traffic channel | 16:28 |
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| jamemcc | Hello | 18:00 |
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| shamail | #startmeeting uc | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 5 18:02:37 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shamail. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
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| shamail | hi, anyone here for the UC meeting? | 18:03 |
| jamemcc | I am | 18:03 |
| leong | o/ | 18:03 |
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| shamail | hi jamemcc, leong | 18:03 |
| leong | do we have quorum? | 18:04 |
| shamail | let’s give it a couple more minutes to see if we get quorum from UC members. | 18:04 |
| shamail | Not currently | 18:04 |
| rockyg | o/ | 18:05 |
| shamail | hi rockyg | 18:05 |
| rockyg | hey. In a f2f meeting, too. | 18:05 |
| shamail | It’s 1805 UTC | 18:06 |
| shamail | I will go ahead and skip the UC member specific agenda items since we don’t have quorum but we can proceed with others | 18:06 |
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| shamail | Agenda: | 18:06 |
| shamail | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/UserCommittee#Meeting_Agenda.2FPrevious_Meeting_Logs | 18:06 |
| shamail | #topic update from previous meeting(s) | 18:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "update from previous meeting(s) (Meeting topic: uc)" | 18:07 | |
| shamail | We had productive sessions in Boston at the Forum (both UC and WG specific ones) and this resulted in several action items for the UC | 18:07 |
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| jamemcc | Yes - I think the first 4 were just leftovers from Boston | 18:08 |
| shamail | The need to make the AUC process simpler and scalable was noted multiple times and the decided path forward was to create a repository file where WG chairs can submit a list of active members | 18:08 |
| shamail | This in conjunction with other automated methods we have for identifying user group organizers, superuser contributions, etc. will hopefully let us get even closer to 100% AUC status for those that are eligible | 18:09 |
| shamail | #action shamail will follow up with other UC members on creating file and process for AUC WG files and extra AUC | 18:09 |
| leong | shamail: +1 for the repo file | 18:09 |
| shamail | We also decided on a new meeting schedule for the UC | 18:09 |
| shamail | this meeting originally used to be bi-weekly at 1900UTC | 18:10 |
| leong | is there a "cut-off" date for upcoming cycle to quality as AUC? | 18:10 |
| shamail | leong: there is not a cut-off per se but generally the list if queried about 3-4 weeks prior to the summit | 18:10 |
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| leong | i am more referring to the "start-date".. | 18:11 |
| shamail | the list can be queried real-time for those metrics that we can automate but for the list-based WG membership, we will probably do an ML announce before we collect the names from those files | 18:11 |
| leong | e.g. if a contributor was active in 2016 Dec but no longer active in 2017? | 18:12 |
| shamail | No start date, generally look at it for the “last 6 months" | 18:12 |
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| shamail | revolving | 18:12 |
| shamail | If you updated it once a release then you should be good | 18:12 |
| leong | 6mths based on software release date? | 18:12 |
| jamemcc | This was mym proposal back in February related to time of the AUC qualification: | 18:13 |
| jamemcc | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/user-committee/2017-February/001664.html | 18:13 |
| shamail | it’s 6 months in general from when the script is excuted | 18:13 |
| shamail | example: script runs and looks for eligible activity as within the last 180 days | 18:13 |
| shamail | we generally run the script about3-4 weeks before the summit | 18:13 |
| leong | gotit | 18:14 |
| shamail | Thanks @jamemcc | 18:14 |
| shamail | We will be sure to specify clearly what the window is for the definition of | 18:15 |
| shamail | “active" | 18:15 |
| jamemcc | I think tom can autoamte to any date - just needs us to document it | 18:15 |
| shamail | We don’t do it by date but rather number of days | 18:15 |
| shamail | today minus 180 for example | 18:15 |
| leong | shamail: +1 on the window for definition of active | 18:16 |
| shamail | Okay to move on to the meeting update? | 18:16 |
| leong | +1 | 18:16 |
| shamail | Essentially we are moving from bi-weekly 1900 UTC on Mondays to weekly 1800UTC on Mondays with a change in the agenda process too | 18:16 |
| shamail | The UC meetings will only occur when there are items on the agenda (similar to the TC) | 18:17 |
| shamail | We will send an email out by Wednesdays to ask for agenda items and confirm a meeting by Friday if we have topics submitted | 18:17 |
| shamail | The topics can be from any community members | 18:17 |
| shamail | You would simply need to login to the wiki and edit the page with the items: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/UserCommittee#Meeting_Agenda.2FPrevious_Meeting_Logs | 18:18 |
| leong | changes? --> 1) biweekly to weekly as long as there are agenda items. 2) from 1900UTC to 1800UTC same day | 18:18 |
| jamemcc | That sounds good to me and I am finding it useful to be able to add agenda items. | 18:18 |
| shamail | leong: +1, perfectly captured | 18:18 |
| leong | :) | 18:18 |
| shamail | #info meeting changes --> 1) biweekly to weekly as long as there are agenda items. 2) from 1900UTC to 1800UTC same day (request for agenda items will go out on Wednesdays) | 18:19 |
| jamemcc | #5 on this weeks agenda was added basd on Operation Telco NFV meeting last week and I promised to bring it here and it seems ralted to the above at least to the timing. | 18:19 |
| leong | there seems to be discussion in TC to drop irc meeting in favour of ML and Gerrt? | 18:19 |
| shamail | #topic Review and finalize approach proposed for WG Status meetings | 18:20 |
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| jamemcc | Basically we agreed tahat it made sense to have 1 UC meeting month to have WG chairs status on the agenda. | 18:20 |
| shamail | leong: there is indeed leong, however that model may not work as well for us since we are not voting on guidelines via gerrit for most of our meetings | 18:20 |
| shamail | jamemcc: +1 I like the idea a lot | 18:20 |
| leong | just for infor.. one reason is to encourage "cross-timezone" collaboration | 18:21 |
| jamemcc | But we had some in that discussion from Asia Pacific and this time of day for meeting won't be very doable. | 18:21 |
| jamemcc | So we created a doodle Poll to find out when that might be, that is in this link: | 18:21 |
| jamemcc | #link https://beta.doodle.com/poll/6k36zgre9ttciwqz#table | 18:22 |
| mrhillsman | apologies so late, family stuff | 18:22 |
| shamail | @jamemcc it seems that if we move this meeting 1 hour sooner than that time would work and we could just keep the same meeting every week (with dedicating 1 meeting per month to WG chair updates)? | 18:22 |
| shamail | hi mrhillsman | 18:23 |
| shamail | #chair mrhillsman | 18:23 |
| openstack | Current chairs: mrhillsman shamail | 18:23 |
| leong | hi mrhillsman | 18:23 |
| shamail | oops, that is Tuesday not Monday | 18:23 |
| jamemcc | So just to clear the air - what I think this means is that at the week of the monthly meeting for UC status we might be at a different time if UC themselves approve. | 18:23 |
| jamemcc | We are not ready to propose tht spectici time. | 18:23 |
| shamail | and AM not PM :) | 18:23 |
| leong | jamemcc/shamail: i am confused on the above doodle link? are we trying to set up a separate meeting for the WG collaboration update? | 18:24 |
| leong | i thought last time UC is discussing to invite WG to join the UC meeting to provide update? | 18:24 |
| shamail | @jamemcc we don’t have quorum to vote today but it seems that you are still working on identify a proper time too. Please let us know what the results of the poll indicate and we can then determine if a seperate meeting makes sense. | 18:24 |
| jamemcc | Not a spearate meeting but a different time - as it seems taht some of our more eager to participate can't make this time of day. | 18:24 |
| shamail | We have also talked about having another UC meeting to align with APAC so another option could be 1 week US, 1 week APAC if other UC members agree | 18:25 |
| jamemcc | @shmail - no - I dont' think just 1 hour earlier will do. | 18:25 |
| shamail | @jamemcc: it won’t.. I misread the results | 18:25 |
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| shamail | The UC will probably also need to see which regions are the WG chairs from | 18:26 |
| shamail | and advocate for whichever time is better for the majority | 18:26 |
| leong | jamemcc: the email is not clear to me: it seems more like a separate meeting. Based on the existing pool in the doodle, most seems to be in US, why do we need a separate time? | 18:26 |
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| jamemcc | We talkd abotu alternating months for a WG Status meeting between Europe and Asia times but seemed it would be better to try for the times when all could attend - just early or late buut not in the mdnight to 5AM timeframe - that's what the doodle poll times are trying for. | 18:26 |
| shamail | @jamemcc see what you find and we’ll do some research on our end too | 18:27 |
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| leong | shamail: +1 on the alternating option: 1 week US, 1 week APAC | 18:27 |
| shamail | #action Jamey will conduct poll to identify a monthly time for WG chair meeting, meanwhile UC will review WG chair locations and advocate for the time easier for the majority… | 18:28 |
| shamail | #action shamail will ask UC about alternating meetings for US and APAC times | 18:28 |
| shamail | Thanks @jamemcc | 18:29 |
| shamail | Okay to move on | 18:29 |
| shamail | ? | 18:29 |
| shamail | #topic PTG space requests | 18:29 |
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| jamemcc | @leong - it's not perfectly clear - if you want to try to sort through the options and what was proposed and debated - read this: | 18:29 |
| jamemcc | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_telco_nfv/2017/operators_telco_nfv.2017-05-31-15.00.log.html | 18:29 |
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| shamail | The second Project Teams Gathering (PTG) will be hosted in Denver, September 11-15, 2017. | 18:29 |
| shamail | There is some space reserved for UC/WG activities but we wanted to know if there is any interest in having space from any of the people here? | 18:30 |
| shamail | We don’t want to block rooms and not leverage them since space will be in high demand | 18:30 |
| mrhillsman | I have not got yay or nay to go, I may be able to convince based on F2F being colocated | 18:30 |
| shamail | Are your WGs planning to meet at the PTG? | 18:30 |
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| shamail | mrhillsman: kinda sorta same for me | 18:31 |
| rockyg | I'm bakc.... | 18:31 |
| mrhillsman | Not sure I want to fight for that vs Sydney though :) | 18:31 |
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| jamemcc | I don't think so for LCOO - but I will put it on Thursday morning meeting agenda. Is that too late? | 18:31 |
| leong | shamail: maybe UC should send an email to all WG chair to check with the WG plan? | 18:31 |
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| shamail | leong: +1 | 18:31 |
| mrhillsman | You can action me shamail | 18:31 |
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| shamail | #action Melvin to send message on ML to confirm if any WG needs a room at the PTG | 18:32 |
| shamail | #topic open | 18:32 |
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| shamail | That is all for our scheduled agenda | 18:32 |
| shamail | Does anyone have any other topics they would like to discuss? | 18:32 |
| shamail | Going once... | 18:33 |
| mrhillsman | SIGs | 18:33 |
| shamail | Go for it | 18:33 |
| mrhillsman | Is sending an email now sufficient to continue to move forward? | 18:33 |
| mrhillsman | Asking for feedback from like WG chairs for example | 18:34 |
| shamail | What would you cover in the email? The concept and solicit broader feedback? | 18:34 |
| mrhillsman | Not the broader community | 18:34 |
| shamail | Ah okay | 18:34 |
| mrhillsman | Not just yet that is | 18:34 |
| shamail | stakeholders? TC, UC, etc? | 18:34 |
| shamail | Who else? | 18:34 |
| mrhillsman | We still need to hammer out high level, yep | 18:34 |
| shamail | mrhillsman: +1 | 18:34 |
| shamail | I think an email to stakeholders > vetting/flushing > ML post > vote | 18:35 |
| shamail | are the steps I see in my mind at least | 18:35 |
| mrhillsman | Sounds good | 18:35 |
| shamail | Any other topics? | 18:35 |
| mrhillsman | I had nothing else | 18:35 |
| shamail | Cool | 18:35 |
| leong | btw, it is still no clear to me the key differences between SIG and existing WG (if Dev were joining WG discussion) | 18:35 |
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| shamail | mrhillsman do you want to address that? | 18:36 |
| mrhillsman | SIG has more weight I believe we determined, shamail can correct me if I am wrong. | 18:36 |
| mrhillsman | Please do shamail | 18:36 |
| leong | what do you mean by "more weight"? | 18:36 |
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| mrhillsman | Both dev/non-dev come together | 18:37 |
| mrhillsman | To work out the what and the how | 18:37 |
| leong | that is based on the assumption that "dev" will join SIG discussion. | 18:37 |
| shamail | I think that’s right mrhillsman.. SIG was being positioned as a group that would essentially fall under TC/UC charter and therefore have more visibility into both communities (rather than a project trying to attract users or WG trying to attract developers) | 18:38 |
| mrhillsman | It is not an assumption | 18:38 |
| mrhillsman | SIG is not just a thing UC is "pushing" | 18:38 |
| shamail | I personally think there could be a notion of strategy vs execution at play too but my thoughts are well-formed yet on the topic | 18:38 |
| leong | so why can't UC/TC together encourage dev/non-dev to participate in existing WG? | 18:39 |
| mrhillsman | So we have to figure it out and present right because it is a community strategy shift I would say | 18:39 |
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| leong | with SIG, do we still need existing WG? | 18:40 |
| mrhillsman | Current WGs are upstream or downstream | 18:40 |
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| shamail | I think we still do leong | 18:40 |
| mrhillsman | And form based on concern for either | 18:40 |
| shamail | for example, the work done in the EWG doesnt require devs to participate in the WG itself | 18:40 |
| leong | that means more meeting to attend :) | 18:40 |
| shamail | but the work is important and does great work in educating our potential users | 18:40 |
| shamail | so I can see needs that do not require “SIG" | 18:41 |
| mrhillsman | +1 | 18:41 |
| shamail | Topic is still being thought through… We’ll definitely come back to the ML once we have broader agreement on the role, value, and alignment of SIGs as a concept in the community | 18:42 |
| leong | shamail: +1 ... a better clarification on the differences of SIG would be greatly appreciated! | 18:42 |
| shamail | leong: +1, we’ll make sure that is a core deliverable | 18:42 |
| shamail | Anything else? | 18:43 |
| shamail | Alright | 18:43 |
| jamemcc | Thanks | 18:43 |
| shamail | thank you everyone! | 18:43 |
| mrhillsman | Please make sure to participate in the discussion as well leong on the doc | 18:43 |
| shamail | have a great day/evening | 18:43 |
| shamail | mrhillsman: +1 | 18:43 |
| mrhillsman | Would live to capture any thoughts concerns | 18:43 |
| shamail | #link √ | 18:43 |
| shamail | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gTeN5ZB2AnPPXejXOm08sQ75Fc-cMs-x-dOGwfsyM8w | 18:44 |
| shamail | cya | 18:44 |
| shamail | #endmeeting | 18:44 |
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| mrhillsman | ty sir | 18:44 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 5 18:44:13 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2017/uc.2017-06-05-18.02.html | 18:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2017/uc.2017-06-05-18.02.txt | 18:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2017/uc.2017-06-05-18.02.log.html | 18:44 |
| mrhillsman | l8r | 18:44 |
| leong | ok.. will comment on doc, see you all.. have a great day | 18:44 |
| shamail | u 2 | 18:44 |
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