Thursday, 2017-06-08

ekcstime for congress meeting. thinrichs ramineni_ masahito00:00
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ramineni_ekcs: hi00:01
ekcsHi all. As usual, topics are ketp here:
ekcsfeel free to add & comment.00:01
ekcshi ramineni_  !00:01
ekcsgood to have you back  = )00:01
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ekcshi masahito !00:04
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ekcsgreat let’s go ahead and get started then.00:06
ekcs#topic pike-200:07
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ekcsquick announcement. Pike-2 release is in progress this week. I’ve started basic testing. expecting to tag a release today.00:07
ramineni_1ekcs: great00:08
ekcs#topic policy library tasks00:08
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ekcsagain just a quick announcement. Some policy library tasks are up. #link
ekcsfeel free to discuss, comment, modify, and sign up if interested.00:09
masahitogot it00:10
masahitothe release of policy-library is targeting Pike?00:10
ekcsyup. might be a little tight cuz the design and discussions took longer than expected. but I’m still aiming for pike.00:12
ekcsIn the ML email:
ekcsI mentioned how we can ship just the essential pieces if we run out of time.00:12
ramineni_1ekcs: may be you can tag as pike3 for essential pieces00:13
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ekcsyea not sure how we use the targeting exactly. I have some non-essential pieces targeted to pike-3 as well but lower priority.00:15
ekcsAnd since we’re on the topic of policy library, here’s some patches going on:
ekcsseveral minor changes to the spec as the implementation happens.00:16
ekcsthe bigger one is the bulk of the DB interfaces for policy library.
ekcscomments appreciated =)00:17
ekcsramineni_1: back to pike3 tagging, is it more helpful if anything lower priority is not targeted for pike-3?00:18
ekcsI’ne been using target is when we’d LIKE to get it done, knowing that we probably won’t get everything done, and that’s where the importance field comes in.00:19
ramineni_1ekcs: yes00:19
ramineni_1ekcs: sounds good00:20
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ekcsok maybe more discussion later about what’s most helpful to everyone with launchpad. We need to go through and retarget a bunch of things too.00:20
ekcsanything else on policy library?00:20
ramineni_1ekcs: no00:21
ekcsok moving on then =)00:21
ekcs#topic policy monitoring UI00:21
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ekcsLast week I put up a very rough mockup based on PTG discussions.00:22
ekcsthinrichs and masahito and I had some discussion and I’ve updated the mockup based on the discussion.00:22
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ramineni_1ekcs: how are we classifying errors and warnings00:23
ramineni_1ekcs: tables starting with error_ ?00:23
ekcsBasically the main page gives a table of violated policies, inculding color-coded column counting how many tuples there are in the table `error` and the table `warining`00:23
ekcsand user can cilck into each policy to go to that specific page.00:24
ekcsthe `error` table and `warning` table would be treated as special in each policy (by the UI)00:24
ramineni_1ekcs: there cannot be multiple error/warning tables in one policy?00:25
ekcscorrect. is that a problem?00:25
ekcsdifferent types of error can ultimately be summarized into an error table. for example00:26
ekcserror(…) :- error_A(…)00:26
ekcserror(…) :- error_B(…)00:26
ekcserror(…) :- error_C(…)00:27
ramineni_1ekcs , ok00:27
ekcsultimately we may want to make the system more flexible, but using the special table now (only for UI purpose) leaves the door open for adding more customization down the road.00:28
ekcsAnyway and when a user clicks one of the rows, we take the user to the policy page (already exists today).00:28
ekcsbut we can add some more details tailored to the violations.00:29
ekcsfor example, displaying the error and warning tables.00:29
ekcssee the “per policy page” on mockflow.com00:29
ramineni_1ekcs: and one question, yesterday myself and masahito also were discussing regarding this, is there a way to retrive the rule id of the action policy executed or policy violated00:29
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ekcsso say execute[action] :- p(a)   {rule id: 19823}00:30
ramineni_1ekcs: for nitification feature, carlos wants to add rule_id, project_id also as part of message00:31
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ramineni_1ekcs: yes00:31
ekcshmmm. I’m sure there is a way. but probbaly not built in currently. I think it’d require a small change.00:32
ekcswe discussed a little with thinrichs last week about the explanation code in congress00:32
ekcsthat shows derivation of any result.00:33
ekcsit’ll show the rules and tuples used to derive each thing.00:33
ekcsbut it right now shows only the rule text now the rule ID.00:33
ekcsprobably not hard to make it get rule ID.00:33
ekcsthere is a question of what exactly is desired.00:34
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ekcsrule ID of only the last rule? or of all the rules involved in deriving?00:34
ekcsa(x) :- b(x)00:34
ekcsexecute[action] :- a(x)00:35
ekcswe could report both rule IDs or just one.00:35
ramineni_1ekcs: he is inetrested in only in rule_id where th action is executed00:35
ekcswe could also report the whole derivation tree. and sometimes there are multiple derivations for the same action.00:35
ramineni_1ekcs: the featue already there, are to be added?00:36
ekcsthere is already the explanation code to trace derivation. mostly just used for debugging now.00:36
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ekcsthat can be used to find the rule that executed.00:36
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ramineni_1ekcs: can you point me to the link of that code00:37
ekcssure I’ll look for it after meeting =)00:37
ramineni_1ekcs: thanks00:37
ekcsramineni_1: was there a thought about how monitoring UI can use rule ID as well?00:38
ekcsor any other thoughts about the monitoring UI?00:38
ramineni_1ekcs: yes, we could add if we can retireve it , and also we thought before about adding actions also to UI00:40
ramineni_1ekcs: possible action, but may be will be complicated for initial design,  could look into it later00:40
ekcsdo you mean a display of recent actions executed?00:41
ekcsor suggested actions for resolving a violation?00:41
ramineni_1ekcs: both, this UI doesnt show, if the actions are defined for violations right as it wont be part of eror/warning00:42
ekcsramineni_1: right that’s a weakness right now.00:42
ramineni_1ekcs: makes sense to show by adding modal tables there00:43
ramineni_1apart from errors/warnings00:44
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ekcslike the execute table? we could do that. but it might be a little confusing.00:44
ramineni_1ekcs: ya , ok00:45
ekcsit’d be a combination of things that have already triggered an action and things that are about the trigger an action.00:45
ekcsan action is executed for each NEW row in the execute table.00:45
ekcswhat do you think would be helpful?00:46
ramineni_1ekcs: i think it will be good to show, actions performed as part of policy violations00:47
ramineni_1ekcs: but not sure which place would be better00:47
ekcsyea showing actions performed is definitely helpful. problem right now is the modal table doesn’t give you exactly that.00:48
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ekcsbut anyway we can find a way to track actions performed in relation to a policy.00:49
ramineni_1ekcs:hmm, right00:49
ekcsso would it be good on the main page or only on the per policy page?00:49
ekcsmaybe one more column on the main page showing number of actions performed in the last period of time (1 hr, 10 min, whatever)?00:50
ekcsthen in the per policy page showing history of actions executed and the rule that triggered each?00:51
ramineni_1ekcs: ya, sounds good.00:52
ekcscool. yea may not be for phase 1, but definitely something we want.00:52
ekcsany thoughts masahito ?00:52
masahitothat sounds good.00:54
ekcsok then00:55
ekcs#topic open discussion00:55
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ekcsanything else to talk about today?00:55
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masahitojust fyi00:55
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masahitoI'll attend OPNFV summit next week. So I won't join the next meeting.00:56
masahitoAnd in the summit, OPNFV Doctor project will have its demo that uses Congress00:56
ekcsexciting. is it similar to the one at openstack before?00:57
ramineni_1masahito: nice00:57
masahitoekcs: yes. but not cutting a cable :-)00:58
ekcshahaha. great!00:58
masahitothat's from my side.00:58
ekcsok then. time’s up too. great discussions on UI. talk more later!00:59
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ekcshave a great week all.00:59
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zhenguo#startmeeting mogan02:00
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zhenguohi all,02:01
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zhenguoshaohe_feng, wanghao, luyao, Xinran, zhangyang: are you here?02:02
zhenguoas always, the agenda:02:03
zhenguolet's jump in02:03
zhenguo#topic announcements and reminders02:03
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zhenguowe changed to use node resource class instead of adding a new node_type property to match our flavors.02:04
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litao__no need to set property in ironic node?02:05
zhenguobut seems we can't use plancement to track node resouces now02:05
zhenguolitao__: yes02:05
litao__zhenguo: great02:05
zhenguolitao__: ironic node has a resource_class propery02:05
liushengzhenguo: is it same as node_type ?02:06
zhenguoliusheng: yes, we just use it as node_type02:06
liushengzhenguo: got iy02:06
zhenguoliusheng: and that field is just  for such purpose02:06
liushengzhenguo: ok02:06
zhenguoas ironic also want to let placement to track resource like what we have done02:07
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litao__why not mogan?02:07
zhenguolitao__: hah02:07
wanghaohi guys, I'm here02:07
zhenguowanghao: o/02:07
zhenguolitao__: that's also benefet for us, we can use placement to track node resouces later02:08
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litao__zhenguo: got it02:08
zhenguolitao: but we are a bit different, as we need to expose nodes to users to manage the node aggregates02:08
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zhenguoif we move all our node resources to placement, users can't know which node they can add/remove to aggregates02:09
zhenguothat's the gap, otherwise we can just turn to Placement02:09
zhenguook, another thing is still the CLI02:10
zhenguoafter we introduce the node notion to mogan, seems we can't avoid collisions with baremetal node02:11
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zhenguowe recently land the patch to expose node list api to admins, but I'm still not sure how to add it to CLI02:12
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litao__looks like nova02:12
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zhenguolike openstack baremetal node list? which is what ironic use02:12
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zhenguolitao__: yes, but nova is host aggreagtes, so they can move all resouces tracking to placement02:13
zhenguoopenstack bm node list seems a good alternative to me, wdyt>02:14
litao__yes, nova only exposes host to users02:14
wanghaomaybe openstack mogan node list   hahah02:14
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liushenghow about we don't export "node list" command in mogan02:15
zhenguowanghao: but there are some discussion before, the community disgree to use project name02:15
zhenguoliusheng: if so, how can admins manage node aggregates :D02:15
liushengzhenguo: admin users can just use baremetal node list of ironic, and create node aggregates through mogan02:16
wanghaozhenguo: okay I see02:17
zhenguoliusheng: not sure if it's accepatable02:17
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litao__I think use two type API is strange02:18
liushengzhenguo: for OSC perspective, we don't need to care where the baremetal node resource existing02:18
liushengzhenguo: we only need to know there is baremetal node resources in OpenStack02:18
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zhenguoliusheng: yes, but we for mogan we only want to expose available nodes to users, not only a ironic node list02:19
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liushengzhenguo: even after we exposing nodes of mogan to end user, users only can see the available nodes ?02:20
zhenguoand for cloudboot driver, how could we handle this?02:20
liushengzhenguo: hmm, yes, that need to consider02:21
zhangyangmaybe admin can see all the nodes from different drivers?02:21
zhenguoliusheng: users just need to list the nodes through mogan, they don't need to care about the filters02:21
zhenguoliusheng: as we only save available nodes for mogan which can be provisioned02:21
zhenguozhangyang: yes, but currently, we can't only support one driver in a deployment :D02:22
zhenguomaybe we can discuss this later, also have something to discuss during the meeting02:24
zhenguolet's move on02:24
zhangyangzhenguo: yes, didn't see the need of using different drivers in a deployment now02:24
litao__we can use different hypervisor type like nova,02:25
zhenguozhangyang: yes02:25
zhenguolitao__: but we only have one engine service, not multi compute service02:25
wanghaomultibackend support need more discuss02:25
wanghaowe need some feedback from really user.02:26
wanghaoso we can leave it as it is now.02:26
zhenguoyes, but for now, seems not requirement for multi backend02:26
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zhenguothe last thing I want to mention is the reviews02:27
zhenguoContribution into mogan for the last 30 days02:27
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zhenguothe last 30 days we only got 139 reviews02:28
zhenguoonly got 1.4 per core per day02:28
zhenguohah, just want to get more reviews from you guys, and also we want got get more core reviewers02:30
zhenguolitao__: glad to see you reviewing my patches :D02:32
litao__zhenguo: my pleasure02:32
liushengsorry absent a  while02:32
liushengwe really need to improve reviewing02:32
zhenguoliusheng: yes we do02:33
litao__Recently, I found some foreigners committed codes02:34
zhenguowe can slow down a bit the development.02:34
shaohe_fengzhenguo: morning02:34
zhenguolitao__: yes, but just some trival fix02:34
zhenguoshaohe_feng: o/02:34
litao__zhenguo; yes, but a big  progress02:35
zhenguolitao__: hah02:35
zhenguook, not much of announcement, anyone else got a thing here?02:35
wanghaoDo we refresh our task?02:36
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wanghaoany update this week?02:36
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zhenguowanghao: yes, during next topic02:36
zhenguook, let's move on02:36
zhenguo#topic task tracking02:36
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zhenguowe can go through it one by one02:37
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zhenguofirst is node aggregates, I made a spec for it, need more reviews02:37
zhenguoand the patch to expose nodes to admins is already landed.02:38
wanghaospec and code we both have02:39
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zhenguowanghao: hah, just the first patch :D02:39
wanghaozhenguo: good start02:40
zhangyangcool, we still need a little time to finish the aggregate part..02:40
zhenguozhangyang: hope you and liudong can review the spec to see if it meets your requriements02:40
zhangyangzhenguo: liudong added some comment02:41
zhenguozhangyang: ok, will check02:41
zhenguook, next is server groups and scheduler hints02:42
zhenguoliusheng: it's yours02:43
liushengzhenguo: ok, I have uploaded two paches for scheduler hints02:43
zhenguoliusheng: yes, I see, seems almost good02:44
liushengfirstly, the patch expose the api that allow users specifying scheduler_hints when creating servers02:44
zhenguohi all, please remember to update the ehterpad, we plan to send out the update every week to present to the whole community02:45
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liushengand the scheduler hints will be put in to request_spec02:45
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liushengand will be passed to scheduler02:45
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zhenguoliusheng: yes, and the server group patch, maybe you also need to make more time on it, as liudong seems cant get time, but he can help to review02:46
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liushengzhenguo: yeah, sure02:47
zhenguoliusheng: ok, thanks02:47
zhenguonext is adopt servers, wanghao^^02:47
wanghaothis week I updated the spec according to the comments02:48
zhenguoaha, yes, we will try to do more reviews on this02:48
wanghaoI think we are close02:48
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zhenguowanghao: I also think so, thanks for sticking on this02:49
wanghaoso maybe next week we can prepare to code something.02:49
zhenguosounds cool :D02:49
wanghaozhenguo: haha  happy to02:49
zhenguonext is valence integration02:49
zhenguonot sure if we should place it in high priority section02:50
zhenguoshaohe_feng: wdyt?02:50
shaohe_fengzhenguo: which task02:50
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zhenguoshaohe_feng, luyao, Xinran: I assign it to us02:50
shaohe_fengzhenguo: I have seen it.02:51
zhenguoshaohe_feng: please look at this
zhenguothe valence related one02:51
shaohe_fengzhenguo: Let me check with yanglin02:51
shaohe_fengI should know the valence status.02:52
zhenguoshaohe_feng: ok, so we can leave a not updates to the task this week02:52
zhenguoshaohe_feng: we will sent the task report out, so valence guys can also see it02:52
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zhenguook, seems not much time left02:52
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zhenguoevery ower can upade the other tasks on the etherpad,02:53
wanghaoOK  BTW  I move specifying port id patch into this etherpad.02:53
zhenguowanghao: cool, thanks02:53
zhenguowanghao: on my tests, it's almost good02:53
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wanghaozhenguo: thanks02:54
wanghaozhenguo: I'm building my new devstack for mogan02:54
zhenguowanghao: any bad thing happened?02:54
wanghaozhenguo: not yet for now02:54
zhenguowanghao: hah, good luck02:55
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wanghaozhenguo: that will help to test mogan more.02:55
wanghaozhenguo: haha02:55
zhenguowanghao: lol02:55
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zhenguowanghao: we can discuss later about the weekly report  context, maybe just like ironic's02:55
wanghaozhenguo: sure02:56
zhenguook, let's move on to next topic although there's only 5min left02:56
zhenguo#topic open discussion02:56
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zhenguowho's got a thing here02:56
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shaohe_fengno from me.02:57
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zhenguohah, ok, if not, we can end the meeting02:58
zhenguothanks y'all02:58
wanghaocool  bye bye02:58
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ianychoi#startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting13:04
openstackMeeting started Thu Jun  8 13:04:42 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ianychoi. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:04
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ianychoipahuang, yep13:04
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting'13:04
ianychoi#topic Zanata webinar13:05
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ianychoipahuang, can I start streaaming then?13:05
pahuangyes i think we can start13:05
aeng_its recorded right?13:06
aeng_not many ppl joined13:06
ianychoiaeng_, sure I am trying13:06
pahuangit says i need to reconnect. can you still see my screen?13:06
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ianychoiThe screen seems in pause13:07
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aeng_in youtube?13:07
aeng_screen in youtube is the same...13:07
jpichAh, loading now :)13:08
ianychoiIt should be in live13:08
ianychoipahuang, would you reconnect?13:08
aeng_can see desktop13:08
ianychoipahuang, would u show your slide then? Voice seems fine13:09
pahuangscreensharing doesn't seem to reconnect13:09
ianychoiOh really..13:09
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aeng_we can hear you13:10
jftaltahi all13:10
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ianychoiWould u try again pahuang ?13:10
pahuangcan you see the screen move?13:10
aeng_hi jftalta13:10
aeng_now the screen is black13:10
aeng_feel free to start sharing13:10
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ianychoipahuang, good13:10
aeng_can see now13:10
ianychoijftalta, jpich plz see through
jpichYep, I am! Working well13:11
jftaltaI'd like, but I can't :(13:11
ianychoijftalta, I am trying to record it :)13:11
jftaltaI have to attend a kind of crisis meeting...13:12
jftaltaianychoi, ok :)13:13
ianychoiaeng_, from which version supports API for the list of translators?13:13
aeng_ianychoi, list of transaltors of a project?13:13
aeng_that is in 4.013:13
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ianychoiaeng_, aha thank u13:14
jpichGood luck, jftalta13:15
ianychoiWow.. much better user interface13:15
jftaltajpich, thanks a lot13:15
aeng_for next upgrade.. i would say just go for the latest version13:15
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aeng_4.2.1 now13:15
ianychoiAha.. the current fedora25 vm for webinar is 4.2.1?13:16
ianychoiI see13:16
ianychoiOne thing I want to ask is that can Zanata admin(s) see the request messges (join to language team)? I think the message is sent to language coordinators through e-mail and the message is not stored in zanata13:19
aeng_yeah.. because we dont want to be another emailing system13:20
aeng_but in the UI, language coordinators and admin can see the request in the language page13:20
ianychoiHaha I see. :)13:20
aeng_there's another ticket which allows admin to see all pending requests all in language list page13:21
aeng_its not implemented yet13:21
ianychoiAha.. yep13:21
aeng_but will help with the request process... if coordinator or admin is ignoring their email13:21
jftaltagoodbye I18N et Zanata guys, I've got to go. See you soon.13:22
ianychoijftalta, see u later!13:22
aeng_no problem.. see ya jftalta13:22
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ianychoiWebhook for "Translation milestone" looks so nice!13:24
ianychoiOh JSON file: jpich already supported it :)13:26
ianychoiamotoki, hi!13:26
ianychoiamotoki, FYI: (We are seeing it)13:26
amotokiworking well13:27
ianychoigood :)13:27
aeng_for json file, please read and
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aeng_since there's no standard way for internationalise json file, we have to pick the most general ones13:28
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jpichI'll have to look at the details when we upgrade, see if we can simplify our code13:30
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aeng_the best way for translate and maximise the reuse of translation still still po/pot format13:31
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amotokithe API docs upgrade sounds so nice.13:32
jpichMaybe we'll stick to that then :) we're converting json -> pot then po -> json. Seems to work well enough so far13:32
amotokithe current API docs of Zanata is hard to understand without trying several things in my mind :(13:32
aeng_its all listed on resources13:33
amotokiaeng_: for example, if I look at
amotokiaeng_: I cannot know what values are allowed for projectSlug or versionSlug. How can we know them?13:34
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aeng_perhaps the explaination is not detailed enough13:34
aeng_projectSlugpathProject identifier13:34
amotokiin case of projectSlug or versionSlug, it can be predictable but in some case it is difficult13:34
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ianychoipahuang, great! Thanks a lot for your presentation13:35
aeng_yeah, perhaps we can put more information on the expected fields13:35
pahuangmy pleasure13:35
amotokiiterationSlug is most difficult one to me :(13:35
ianychoipahuang, let's wait for several minutes13:35
aeng_amotoki, if you have any issue, feel free to send us email13:35
amotokiaeng_: sure.13:35
aeng_thanks pahuang, wonderful presentation13:36
amotokiit is just my experience when I worked on Zanata API as part of openstack-i18n tool13:36
aeng_i agree our doc is not the easiest to use13:36
ianychoipahuang, What are the actual shortcut keys for approving/rejecting reviews?13:36
ianychoiFor example, Ctrl+A?13:36
pahuangit's in the shortcut cheatsheet13:37
ianychoiAnd.. would it be so easy to test Zanata with the docker image provided in Zanata homepage?13:37
aeng_Ctrl+shift+a = approve13:37
aeng_Ctrl+shift+R = reject13:37
ianychoiOh good :)13:38
amotokifor shortcuts, Ctrl-S is sometimes confusing. it creates fuzzy string, but sometimes users expects to save strings as translated by Ctrl-S13:38
pahuangyes i am running docker in my demo13:38
aeng_yes, docker image is the way to go13:38
aeng_even for dev13:38
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ianychoiWould you recommend me for the guide with Docker image?13:38
pahuangctrl s is use by browser by default. so we try not to steal browser shortcuts13:38
aeng_ianychoi, to test the docker?13:39
ianychoiaeng_, yep13:39
pahuangianychoi, we have a dockerhub image. but i think we haven't had an automated way to publish it continuously.13:39
aeng_the readme should be sufficient13:39
amotokiI see 'Save as Fuzzy (Ctrl+S)' in the current openstack zanata instance. this is what i mean.13:40
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ianychoiAha.. I see thank you13:40
amotoki(i am using Mac OSX)13:40
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aeng_keyboard shortcut is a tricky business.. :)13:40
amotokiit may be different on Linux or windows env.13:40
amotokiit is really tricky :)13:41
ianychoiHaha... mac is Cmd not Ctrl13:41
pahuangah right. yes ctrl+s will save as fuzzy. well i forgot to show the new editor we are continuing working on. it will have different shortcuts. hopefully soon it will replace the current editor13:41
ianychoiLet's close the streaming. Thank you so much pahuang !13:42
amotokiWhen I see fuzzy strings in Japanese transaltion and asked the authors several times, they said 'ah... i pressed ctrl-s. I didn't intend to save it as fuzzy'13:42
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amotokithank you!13:42
pahuangctrl enter will save as translated and move to next row. i would recommend using that ;)13:43
ianychoiYep :)13:43
ianychoi#topic open discussion13:44
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ianychoiActually now I have several topics but I mainly focused on such webinar today, I want to move on open discussions13:44
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ianychoiamotoki, not considering user survey translation with ATC status is just my proposal - since someone might think that ATC status would be valid only to upstream projects13:45
ianychoiamotoki, but I don't have a strong opinion on this.13:45
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amotokiianychoi: this is just my question.13:46
amotokiianychoi: I agree that we need to clarify what projects are considered as ATC.13:46
amotokiianychoi: user survey may be categorized into AUC? I am not sure the foundation related works like user survey are categorized into what category?13:47
amotokiif we apply a new criteria, it should start in the next cycle.13:48
ianychoiamotoki, I think there may be two options on that 1) considering user survey translations with ATC status and 2) enumerating credits (who contributed to user survey translations) on somethere 3) AUC - oh I have not thought with such things just I am adding it by seeing your message13:48
ianychoiamotoki, +1 starting from the next cycle13:48
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amotokiianychoi: yeah, there are several options.13:49
amotokii didn't think your idea so far. That's good point13:49
ianychoiaeng_, pahuang - thanks a lot. My final question might be: are you considering newer version of Java (e.g., Java 9) and Wildfly 11 later?13:49
aeng_java 9, dont think we will move to that anytime soon13:50
aeng_we on wildfly 10 now....13:50
aeng_and 11 is still in alpha13:50
aeng_so not for now13:51
pahuangnot at the moment. i think we won't do major platform upgrade in a while13:51
ianychoiaeng_, thanks a lot. Just plz share it later if you have such plans... :) Unfortunately I have no time to upgrade it now but I think it would be much nice to see all with infra team during Sydney Summit and discuss upgrade13:51
aeng_we might want to discuss about upgrade to 4.X13:52
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aeng_Alright guys. I need to go now. Good night from AUS13:55
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amotokii have another type of question. is there any ongoing effort to create python client side API bindings?13:55
aeng_amotoki, the pyhton client is maintained by community13:55
ianychoi_Oh this channel :)13:55
ianychoi_aeng_, have a good night!13:55
ianychoi_aeng_, would u share the url for such python client?13:55
aeng_feel free to contribute towards it13:55
aeng_it is not as up to date as our supported client13:56
aeng_we still recommend to use zanata-cli which will be always up to date with the server13:56
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amotokithanks, but it might be a CLI implementation, not SDK13:57
amotokianyway i will check it later13:57
aeng_alright. Let us know if you have any other question13:57
aeng_Good night guys :013:57
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ianychoiGood night!13:57
amotokigood night :)13:57
aeng_and thanks pahuang :)13:57
amotokipahuang: thanks a lot13:58
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ianychoipahuang, so great webinar today :)13:58
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pahuangi also need to leave now. any more questions?13:59
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ianychoiIt's already 14:00 UTC13:59
ianychoiThanks a lot for attending today13:59
ianychoiLet's close today IRC meeting13:59
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ianychoipahuang, again, thanks a lot today!14:00
pahuangmy pleasure. bye guys14:00
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andreaf#startmeeting qa17:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jun  8 17:00:29 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is andreaf. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'qa'17:00
andreaf#link Today's agenda17:00
andreafwho's here for the meeting today?17:01
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andreafnice we have a good attendance today :)17:02
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andreafok let's start17:03
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andreafI just wanted to mention again that zhufl joined tempest core - welcome to the team!17:03
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andreaf#topic Meeting time17:03
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andreafabout the meeting I created a patch in irc-meetings to move the 9:00 UTC one to 8:00 UTC, mostly to help folks in APAC17:04
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andreafNext week will be the first meeting on the new time17:04
andreafno change to this meeting at 17:00 UTC17:05
andreaf#topic Previous Meeting Action review17:05
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chandankumarandreaf: new timing is going to early for me in afternoon :-)17:05
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andreafchandankumar: hopefully that helps ^_^17:06
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andreafThe only action item from last meeting was to try and setup a rota for the categorization work on the recheck page17:07
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andreafI haven'd done that yet, so I will set an action again17:07
andreaf#action andreaf send an email about classification rota and mentoring17:07
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andreaf#topic PTG17:08
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andreafFor the PTG it's still some time to go, but I think the structure is pretty much going to be now to what Thierry proposed17:09
andreafIf you see something does not work for you with the current plan please speak now, later it will become more and more difficult to change things17:09
dustinsRemind me, what are the dates for the PTG?17:10
andreafSept 11 to 15 I believe?17:10
andreafin Denver17:10
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andreafit's going to be 2 + 3, the initial 2 days for working groups and help rooms for horizontal teams17:11
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andreaf3 days for project dedicated spaces, including QA17:11
dustinsandreaf: Awesome, thanks!17:12
andreafdustins: will you be there?17:12
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dustinsI believe Manila is not attending the PTG, in favor of a virtual one this time around17:12
dustinsAnd the possibility of doing design sessions at the Summits in the future17:12
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dustinsSo I honestly don't know17:13
chandankumarsame here.17:13
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andreafdesign sessions at the summit sounds like the old model17:13
chandankumarandreaf: but i will let you know my status in advance. :-)17:14
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dustinsandreaf: Yeah... There are some good reasons, the big ones being overlap with Cinder sessions and including more of our APAC contributors17:14
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andreafheh right makes sense17:14
dustinsStill kinda feels like going rogue, but at least there's a good reasoning :)17:15
andreafdustins: it's not so easy to get to Denver from outside the US I guess - it's going to take me to layovers to get there17:15
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dustinsandreaf: Yeah, that's a haul for sure17:16
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andreafok moving on17:16
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andreaf#topic Gate stability17:16
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andreafA couple of weeks ago the categorization rate was really low as clarkb pointed out - it's a bit better now but still below 50% for gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-full-ubuntu-xenial17:17
andreafSo that's something we need to get better at - I have to send out an email for that (see action point)17:18
andreafOtherwise I'm not aware of any major issue going on right now17:18
clarkbI've been throwing patches at it. I think mriedem and sdague too which has helped17:19
andreafclarkb, mriedem, sdague: thanks!17:20
andreafclarkb: e-r patches?17:20
clarkbthere have also been a few bugs that caused a bunch of gate fails that got fixed quickly (libssl-dev and a nova thing) that aren't being tracked properly IO don't think17:21
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andreaf#link sdague has a patch up to add a script to e-r to create a boiler plate for new bugs that looks handy to me17:21
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andreaf#link Gate failure rate17:22
andreafclarkb: there were a couple of spikes in the rolling avg, I guess the bugs you mentioned17:23
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andreafok anything else on gate stability?17:24
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andreaf#topic Spec reviews17:24
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andreaf#link,n,z open specs17:24
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andreafI don't have anything specific on specs17:25
andreafok I guess next topic17:26
andreaf#topic Tempest17:26
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andreaf#link Open Patches17:26
andreafAnything on Tempest anyone?17:27
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felipemonteiro__minor question i was wondering whether test_change_admin_password is run anywhere, couldn't find a gate that didn't skip it17:27
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andreaffelipemonteiro__: not sure, I think it may require xen to work17:28
andreaffelipemonteiro__: we can check in openstack-health17:28
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felipemonteiro__k ill do that, thanks17:29
andreafok I don't have anything specific on Tempest this week, so let's move on17:30
andreaf#topic Patrole17:31
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andreafThere are a few points here from you felipemonteiro__ - the floor is yours17:31
felipemonteiro__few questions were reserved for gmann, i'll skip those.17:31
felipemonteiro__was wondering qa's thoughts on backwards-compatible gates, i.e. for n-1 n-2 in patrole17:32
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felipemonteiro__which is what tempest currently does with its newton and ocata gates17:33
andreaffelipemonteiro__: I think it would be good to have17:33
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andreaffelipemonteiro__: it might be a pain for the work policy in code, but it will help discover deviations in behaviour17:34
andreaffelipemonteiro__: Patrole is branchless right?17:34
felipemonteiro__andreaf: yes our 0.1.0 release is just a tag, not a branch17:35
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andreaffelipemonteiro__: so from my POV setting up those gates is the right thing to do17:35
felipemonteiro__andreaf: regarding the n-1/n-2 gates, those were my thoughts, though it'd require a bit of research from our own to see how much policy has changed (i don't mean policy in code, just policy definitions/naming)17:36
felipemonteiro__which i don't *think* has been too much17:37
andreaffelipemonteiro__: right, well since patrole did not run on older release you may want to introduce those gates incrementally i.e. as soon as we start working on Queens setup the N-1 and when Rocky starts setup N-217:38
andreaffelipemonteiro__: but if it works as is I think it's fine to introduce them both now17:38
felipemonteiro__andreaf: my management would prefer now just because they want to run patrole master against newton release, but wanted your input first17:39
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andreaffelipemonteiro__: well if it works as is I guess it will be fine, but you'll need to discuss this with the stable maintenance team as well since it would require adding the patrole job to stable/ocata and stable/newton17:40
andreafotherwise changes there might break patrole gate17:40
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andreafunlikely as it is, I think it would be the right thing to do17:40
andreaffelipemonteiro__: ^^^17:40
felipemonteiro__andreaf: i see, thanks we'll look into that.17:41
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felipemonteiro__that's it from me, other items were targetted at ken'ichi/gmann but they're not here this week17:41
andreaffelipemonteiro__: oh wait, Patrole tests run only in Tempest gate for now, right?17:41
andreafheh gmann will never be in the 17UTC meeting :)17:42
felipemonteiro__andreaf: you alluding to symmetric testing? they only run in our repo right now17:42
felipemonteiro__oh, i see17:42
andreaffelipemonteiro__: right thst's what I meant17:43
andreaffelipemonteiro__: so you will not necessarily need gates on stable branches17:43
andreaffelipemonteiro__: however if something does not work as is you'll have to make a good case to get things changed in Newton :)17:44
felipemonteiro__andreaf: thanks for the information, your other plan of incrementally introducing it in the future might be a better alternative, we'll have to do some research17:45
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felipemonteiro__i did add a nova spec for patrole gating targetted at queens release, i'll see how that goes17:45
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andreaf#link Nova spec for policy testing17:45
andreaffelipemonteiro__: cool thanks17:46
andreafok moving on17:46
andreaf#topic outreachy17:46
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raildoit will be a quickly one :)17:46
raildoso, I would like to introduce you folks, lwanderley, she is an intern in the outreachy cycle:
lwanderleyhi, everyone :D17:47
andreafwelcome lwanderley!17:47
raildoand I'm and rodrigods( I think you know him, more than me :P) will be her mentors17:47
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raildoso the idea is to having a new job to test keystone with LDAP support17:48
raildowe already have some functional tests for this case, but we need to fix a couple of things on devstack support for LDAP and creating this job17:48
raildoso, she might be around the #openstack-qa asking for helping some times :)17:49
raildothat's it17:50
andreafwe have folks in a lot of different time-zones, so we should be able to help in the openstack-qa channel :)17:50
andreafdevstack folks are mostly in the US so that should be a good fit17:51
lwanderleythat's great17:51
raildoandreaf, yeah, it's closer to our time zone, so it will be great for us17:51
andreafok, about 8 minutes left in the meeting17:52
andreafmoving to the last few topics17:53
andreaf#topic Critical reviews17:53
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andreafany review that requires urgent attention?17:53
andreaf#topic Open Discussion17:54
*** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: qa)"17:54
andreafok I'll give you back five minutes of your life ^_^17:56
andreafthanks for joining the meeting today17:56
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mriedem#startmeeting nova21:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jun  8 21:00:07 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'21:00
efried /o\21:01
mriedemalright let's get started21:01
mriedem#link agenda
mriedem#topic release news21:01
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mriedem#link Pike release schedule:
mriedem#info Today is the pike-2 milestone21:02
mriedemi just posted the p-2 tag release request
* bauzas waves latey21:02
mriedemwhich i know bauzas has been fretting over21:02
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mriedem#info next upcoming important date: Jul 20: non-client library (oslo, os-vif, os-brick, os-win, os-traits, etc) release freeze21:02
mriedemwith feature freeze the week after that21:03
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mriedemso we've got about 6 weeks left21:03
mriedem#info Blueprints: 74 targeted, 69 approved, 18 completed, 4 not started21:03
mriedemwe're approving a couple of blueprints per week at this rate21:03
mriedemthe smaller ones21:03
mriedem#info Blueprints which are blocked, not started or do not have an owner  after the p-2 milestone will likely be deferred to Queens.21:03
mriedemquestions about the release?21:04
mriedem#topic bugs21:04
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mriedemnothing listed as critical21:04
mriedem#help Need help with bug triage; there are 79 (down 14 from last week) new untriaged bugs as of today (June 8).21:04
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mriedemgood news there is we're trending down in untriaged bugs week to week21:04
mriedemgetting back to that more manageable ~75 range :)21:05
bauzasI have more time for that :)21:05
mriedemgate status has been okish21:05
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mriedemtop issue right now is probably
mriedemthat doesn't hit nova since we don't run the linuxbridge job,21:05
mriedembut it's kind of crippling neutron21:05
mriedemi've got a debug patch up to try and figure some of it out21:06
mriedembut could use help21:06
mriedemi don't have any news about 3rd part yci21:06
mriedem*party ci21:06
mriedemvmware is still off in the weeds i think, not sure about xen21:07
mriedemanything for bugs?21:07
mriedem#topic reminders21:07
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mriedem#link Pike Review Priorities etherpad:
mriedem#topic stable branch status21:07
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mriedem#link stable/ocata:,n,z21:07
mriedem#link stable/newton:,n,z21:08
mriedemwe have a lot open there,21:08
mriedemand we just recently did a release on both, but i feel like we've got some other high severity backports merged lately that aren't yet released21:08
mriedem#topic subteam highlights21:08
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mriedemdansmith: i know there was no cells v2 meeting this week, but did you want to call out anything?21:09
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dansmithnot really21:09
mriedembut alright21:09
mriedemedleafe: scheduler?21:09
edleafeWent over some current reviews - nothing to controversial21:09
edleafeMost of the discussion was about how to claim against nested and/or shared providers.21:09
edleafeCurrently scheduler only has the compute node uuid, but some of the actual resource providers will be different in those cases.21:09
edleafeTwo widely different approaches came up, and were discussed until the end of the meeting and then further in a hangout.21:09
edleafeThe matter is still unresolved, and is being discussed in a ML thread starting with
mriedemi saw jaypipes also has a spec up21:10
edleafeYeah - a bit premature IMO, but whatever21:10
* dansmith sighs21:10
* edleafe there theres dansmith 21:11
mriedemok i still need to digest all of this,21:11
mriedemi've been more off in cells v2 land which is oddly comfortable at this point21:11
mriedemi'll find any excuse not to have to be involved in the schedluer stuff :)21:11
mriedemthere was no api meeting21:12
mriedemalex has a spec up for fixing server groups / members quota in the quota classes api21:12
mriedemneed to circle back on that21:12
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mriedemgibi is probably not around21:12
mriedembut there was a notifications meeting21:13
mriedemhe and i21:13
gibiIm here >D21:13
mriedemoh wow21:13
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mriedemanything you want to mention?21:13
gibiplenty of tranformation patches are waiting for core review21:13
gibithe searchlight related patches still needs some care from me but mostly ready21:13
gibiand we agreed the way forward on bug21:14
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mriedemthe nova-api binary one?21:14
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gibiI cannot copy here for some reason21:14
mriedembug 169615221:14
openstackbug 1696152 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "nova notifications use nova-api as binary name instead of nova-osapi_compute" [Low,Confirmed]
mriedemlet the bot do the work21:15
gibiso we wont change the binary name21:15
gibiin the notifications21:15
gibithat was all21:15
mriedemthanks gibi21:15
mriedemfor cinder/nova stuff, meeting was today21:15
mriedemclient-side microversion changes are merged (thanks!), now working on  live migration, swap volume and attach flows; need to close on swap  volume soon21:15
mriedemstvnoyes is close on live migration working21:15
mriedemjgriffith has a poc for new attach flow21:15
mriedemthe sticky thing right now is swap volume21:16
mriedemjgriffith, cinder et al are going to write something up to the ML to state the problem and possible solutions21:16
mriedemfire is, unfortunately, not an option21:16
mriedem#topic stuck reviews21:17
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mriedemnothing on the agenda21:17
mriedemanything anyone needs to bring up here?21:17
mriedem#topic open discussion21:17
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mriedemlbragstad: Feedback on policy approach21:17
lbragstadwe've had a bunch of policy discussion recently and the result has been a collection of specs21:17
lbragstadsince the approach is going to affect the majority of projects, we want to make sure we get feedback before going off and just doing a bunch of stuff21:18
lbragstad#link attempts to capture the overall policy needs we're not getting today21:18
lbragstad#link attempts to detail a roadmap in the interest of security21:18
lbragstad#link introduces a concept of global roles21:18
lbragstadthe second and third links detail work the is going to impact consuming projects21:19
lbragstadi'm taking time this week to meet with projects and get feedback on what we've come up with21:19
lbragstadjohnthetubaguy: has been driving a bunch of this, too21:19
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lbragstadif anyone has particular questions, please don't hesitate to come find me21:20
mriedemi haven't looked at any of it21:20
lbragstadit's not the most exciting stuff in the world ;)21:21
mriedemwell, it's also 2/3 of the way through pike21:21
mriedemand we're way behind on major stuff we've already got planned21:21
lbragstadmriedem: yeah - everything we're considering now is going to be staged for queens21:21
mriedemi realize this is prepping for queens21:21
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mriedemi'd think any major decisions are going to be finalized at the ptg21:22
mriedemlbragstad: are ops / user community groups/people providing feedback?21:22
lbragstadmriedem: yeah - let me grab a link21:22
lbragstadi started that thread in an attempt to get feedback from operators21:23
lbragstadi sent an update today with the current direction based on the comments collected there21:23
lbragstadbut since this is going to impact a lot of project, i want to make sure we get as much feedback as possible beforehand21:24
mriedemok, but you guys aren't planning on landing major changes in keystone in pike are you?21:24
lbragstadmriedem: no - we don't have the bandwidth to do anything major this release21:25
lbragstadbut i did want to get this in front of other groups early21:25
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lbragstadso that it didn't come as a surprise in a couple months21:25
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mriedemanything else?21:26
lbragstadnope - that does it for me, thanks!21:26
mriedemanyone else have anything here?21:26
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mriedemok that's it then21:27
mriedemthanks everyone21:27
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kevinbenton#startmeeting neutron_drivers22:01
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kevinbentonarmax, amotoki_away: ping22:01
kevinbentonpresumably amotoki is indeed away :)22:01
mlavalleindeed.... LOL22:02
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kevinbentonarmax told me he might not be able to make it today22:02
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kevinbentonyeah, i suppose we can go through a few things22:03
kevinbentonone i want to talk about is the l2 extension manager22:03
ihrachyswhat's there? people showed up and drive the work?22:03
kevinbentonso it sounds like Thomas is willing to be approver22:04
ihrachysI lost the context since all fire drills that never end22:04
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kevinbentonand David is willing to write the code22:04
kevinbentoni'm looking for spec now22:04
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ihrachysok then let them? I believe the initial implementation doesn't imply that everything should switch to the new way in one go, so we can consider it experimental and play with it.22:05
kevinbentonmlavalle: yep22:05
kevinbentonmlavalle:  can you take a look through that spec so you're familiar with it?22:05
kevinbentonmlavalle: and give +2 if it looks good22:06
kevinbentonwill go through it as well22:06
kevinbentonand that will give us enough to approve22:06
kevinbentonand let them go on their way22:06
mlavalleI was about to propose to review it22:06
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mlavalleyes, I will look at it tomorrow22:06
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mlavalleis that ok?22:06
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mlavalleadded to my pile22:07
kevinbentonshall we take a look at a few RFE's?22:08
openstackLaunchpad bug 1649417 in neutron "RFE: Security group rule using address set" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Dongcan Ye (hellochosen)22:09
mlavalleI thought it is a sensible use case22:09
ihrachysI *think* it was once proposed in the past22:09
ihrachysI think ~Barcelona22:10
kevinbentoni was thinking we might not even need to change the SG API itself22:10
ihrachysthere was a guy (I don't remember the name) who pitched the idea22:10
kevinbentonwe can overload remote_group_id22:10
kevinbentonto reference either a new set thingyt22:10
kevinbentonor security group22:10
mlavalleso it becomes only adapting the pipes22:11
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kevinbentonand a separate api to create AddressSets22:11
ihrachysso remote group will point to a new compound resource and the latter will point to set of SGs?22:11
ihrachysI mean, set of addresses22:12
kevinbentonso remote_group will either be an AddressSet or a SecurityGroup22:12
kevinbentonis what i was thinking22:12
ihrachysso consider this: a user not knowing about overloading fetches SG, looks at remote group, fetches it via SG API and gets 40422:13
kevinbentonthat's the downside22:13
ihrachysthat's a blocker I would say no?22:13
kevinbentonAnother option may be to allow address sets to associate with a security group22:13
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kevinbentonthen for remote_group_id they still reference a security group22:14
kevinbentonand that includes all of the sets associated with that group22:14
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kevinbentonI want to avoid adding a new thing to the rules themselves22:15
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ihrachysthat may ofc raise some eyebrows like - I have my SG rules blocking all but X and Y, but I can access Z too22:15
ihrachysbut that's a downside of any new api22:15
kevinbentonthere is something else here22:15
kevinbentonthis already sort of works with allowed address pairs22:16
kevinbentona little unknown feature is that security groups allows all addresses in members allowed address pairs22:16
kevinbentonthat may actually solve this use case22:16
kevinbentoncreate a dummy port for your external stuff22:16
kevinbentonadd each IP into the allowed_address_pairs entries22:17
mlavallelet's propose that to the submitter in the RFE, let's see his feedback22:18
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kevinbentoni will do that right now22:19
mlavallekevinbenton: do you mind going out of order for one RFE?22:19
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kevinbentonmlavalle: sure22:20
kevinbentonmlavalle: link it now22:21
openstackLaunchpad bug 1682775 in neutron "[RFE] Tag mechanism supports all resouces with standard attribute." [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Hirofumi Ichihara (ichihara-hirofumi)22:21
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mlavallehichihara already has a patchset in gerrit22:21
mlavallewhich I reviewed earlier today22:21
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mlavalleso I thought we migh as well look at the RFE22:21
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kevinbentonihrachys: did you have a concern here?22:21
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kevinbentonIIUC after briefly looking at the patches this is just extending to include all standard attr resources22:22
ihrachysmy concern was about how we define 'all' resources22:22
kevinbentonmlavalle: do you have a patch link handy22:22
kevinbentonmaybe i'll just update the title to all standard attribute resources if that's the case22:23
ihrachyswe don't have this concept of overarching api extensions covering 'everything'22:23
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kevinbentonyeah, this is just standard attr resources22:23
kevinbentonso i'll update rfe title to reflect that22:23
kevinbentonihrachys: will that address your concerns?22:23
ihrachysit's not like we have a stable list of those resources either22:23
ihrachysat least not discoverable22:24
kevinbentonihrachys: if those resources change then there will be a separate extension that indicates that22:24
mlavalleihrachys: he tries to address that, hang on22:24
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ihrachysso what the RFE proposes is to add tags to all resources that atm support stdattrs, and to NOT cover for any resources that may add support for stdattr in the future?22:25
kevinbentonihrachys: they would automatically get them in the future22:25
ihrachysthen I am good, no controvercy from api discoverability pov22:25
mlavalleyeah, that's what it is doing now22:25
kevinbentonihrachys: similar to revision_number and timestamp22:25
ihrachyskevinbenton, and how does api user determine if it's going to be present on resourceA?22:26
ihrachysit would somehow need to know the server version to relate, but we don't have versions.22:26
kevinbentonihrachys: resourceA is a new extension, right?22:26
kevinbentoni mean a new resource introduced by an extension22:26
ihrachyslet's say ports have stdattrs, but qos don't. you add 'all-tags' extension that indicates that ports have tags; then in next release, you add support for qos. will you add a new extension called 'qos-tags'?22:27
ihrachysthen it's not discoverable22:27
kevinbentoni don't understand your question22:28
kevinbentonthis patch introduces a new extension22:28
kevinbentonthat covers all standard attr stuff that exists now22:28
kevinbentonso the only two options left are completely new standard attr resources22:28
kevinbentonand resources that weren't standard attr before22:28
kevinbentonboth of those will have a new extension22:28
kevinbentonwhich is the case before this patch as well22:28
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ihrachysok, then the proposal doesn't cover 'all stdattr enabled resources' but 'all stdattr resources from Pike'22:29
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kevinbentonall standard attr resources that didn't have tags yet22:29
ihrachysthat makes sense. it's not open end, which is not controvercial.22:30
kevinbentonwell say we add AddressSets and they are standard attr22:30
kevinbentonthey will automatically get tags22:30
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ihrachysnew resources are easy22:30
kevinbentonbut the address-set extension or whatever we would call it would automatically include tags22:30
kevinbentonso your concern is things that aren't standard attr now that already exist?22:31
ihrachyskevinbenton, so to understand, it won't be possible to implement address-sets without tags?22:31
kevinbentonihrachys: if they are standard attr, they automatically get tags22:32
mlavalleif it has standard attributes, no22:32
ihrachyskevinbenton, yes, that's my concern, resourceX that is not there yet.22:32
kevinbentonihrachys: so converting resourceX to standard attr should have an extension regardless of this because of revision numbers, timestamps, and descriptions22:32
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ihrachyskevinbenton, that's implementation. I am talking more about api semantics. from neutron api model, you don't get anything automatically, you get it by virtue of attr map loaded into neutron-server.22:33
ihrachyskevinbenton, I think we can discuss those details in review. RFE is fine. maybe wording is not ideal for me, but that's ok22:33
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kevinbentonihrachys: attr map is derived from standard attr inheritors22:33
kevinbentonihrachys: automatically22:33
ihrachysattr map is supposed to be static, it doesn't depend on implementation22:34
ihrachysyou commit it to neutron-lib and don't touch it22:34
ihrachyskevinbenton, I know the code; remember I was eagerly against it when you pushed it into tree late Newton?22:34
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kevinbentonihrachys: so why are you suggesting that's not how it works? :)22:35
ihrachysI am saying that's not how it *should* work22:35
ihrachysapi doesn't depend on server code, it's contract.22:35
ihrachys*should not* depend22:35
kevinbentonthat ship sailed long ago with extensions defined out of tree in code22:36
kevinbentonbut i get your point22:36
kevinbentonyou can suggest that he statically enumerate them22:36
kevinbentonlet's approve RFE and you can provide that feedback in the review22:36
ihrachyskevinbenton, enumerate is what I support; hence my comments on difference between open ended 'all' and closed list. anyhoo, I think we can move.22:37
kevinbentonok, left a comment22:38
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ihrachysnicely worded, thanks22:40
kevinbentonmlavalle: so patch is good in current approach, basically the only line that needs to change is that one you linked22:40
kevinbentonmlavalle: instead of making that function call for getting all standard attrs22:40
kevinbentonihrachys: just manually list each resource22:41
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1652071 in neutron "[RFE] Implement migration from iptables-based security groups to ovsfw" [Wishlist,Triaged]22:41
ihrachysI looked at the abandoned patch, I don't think it's the way to go22:41
ihrachysI suggest we don't explore further in-place switch22:41
ihrachysinstead expand on live migration22:42
ihrachyswhich ofc requires multiple port bindings and nova work22:42
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ihrachysbut it's a complete solution for all backends, not a hack22:42
kevinbentonthe only downside is that i'm not sure we can switch default22:43
kevinbentonor suggest a default switch22:43
kevinbentonbecause it's a non-standard upgrade that requires rolling migration22:43
ihrachysI don't think it matters if live migration works. let the market (users) choose where they want to migrate to. maybe it's ovs to linuxbridge ;)22:43
kevinbenton(we have no default, but deployment tools do)22:43
kevinbentonwell i was hoping we would have a path to actually dump the hybrid iptables driver22:44
kevinbentonat some point22:44
ihrachysyou can always do it. follow deprecation process and remove/push code out of tree22:44
ihrachysI don't think anything stops us if we document the process22:44
ihrachysa release note will ofc be needed22:45
kevinbentonwould be the first time we had a breaking upgrade for a node, no?22:45
ihrachyswhy no22:45
ihrachyslet's say a config option changes name22:45
ihrachyswe are going to break in 2 cycles22:45
ihrachys1st cycle we warn, 2nd we remove22:45
kevinbentonthey just update the config in response to warnings22:45
kevinbentonthere is nothing they can do here to avoid dataplane disruption22:46
ihrachysmitigation will be more involving ofc22:46
ihrachysin theory live migration is not disruptive22:46
ihrachysfrom instance pov22:46
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kevinbentondo all deployments support live migration? Is that something other project upgrades depend on?22:47
ihrachyswell from product pov, RH-OSP upgrade implies live migration of all instances from compute to another node before upgrade.22:47
ihrachysso it should work :)22:47
kevinbentonok, so you don't even upgrade components with VMs running on them?22:48
ihrachysnot to say I want to drag RH into the formula, just saying it works22:48
ihrachyskevinbenton, not for compute22:48
ihrachysfor agents procedures should actually be similar but I am not sure we document it that way22:48
kevinbentonwell yeah it works, but I'm wondering if other projects force live migration on upgrade22:48
kevinbentone.g. cinder22:49
ihrachysthe reason why we do it this way is because we usually need a reboot for kernel and stuff22:49
kevinbentonmakes sense22:49
kevinbentonso the proposed patch i was definitely against22:49
ihrachyswell I don't say neutron *forces* it. we can recommend.22:49
kevinbentonwell we will force if we deprecate22:49
ihrachysworst case is they just stick to the old driver indefinitely22:49
kevinbentonwhich i was hoping to do22:49
kevinbentonbut for now that doesn't seem feasible22:50
kevinbentonthe other option for migration is to leave iptables bridge behind and clear all of it's iptables rules22:50
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ihrachysok, let's say it this way - mainstream path is live migration, but we can explore in-place if we have time and will after we close the first path.22:51
kevinbentonyeah, i'm for marking this deferred22:51
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kevinbentonthen revisit next cycle as people start to move22:51
ihrachysin place should be a thing you pick knowingly, can live out of stadium22:51
kevinbentonihrachys: well it could be the new hybriddriver eventually22:52
ihrachysnot to mention there are still major issues with the firewall, so it's not time to discuss how we will move everyone to greener pastures ;p22:52
ihrachys+ for defer/postpone/whatever it's called22:53
kevinbentonlet's try one more22:54
openstackLaunchpad bug 1653932 in neutron "[rfe] network router:external field not exported" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Kevin Benton (kevinbenton)22:54
kevinbentonbasically the issue here is that subnets aren't visible on external networks22:54
kevinbentonbeyond their IDs in the network body22:55
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ihrachyswell that's as designed. unless we introduce shared field for subnets, or a new rbac action for network. is it what's proposed?22:56
mlavalleI think the latter22:56
kevinbentonso subnets has a shared field that is derived from the network's shared field22:56
kevinbentonso we could do the same thing22:57
kevinbentonhave a 'router:external' field that derives from parent network22:57
ihrachysinherit access_as_external from network?22:57
kevinbentonlet's revisit this22:57
kevinbentonpolicy engine can do parent lookups22:58
kevinbentonso i need to see if it's possible without adding more fields22:58
ihrachyslike policy.json rule change?22:58
kevinbentonso that triggers policy engine to lookup parent network22:59
kevinbentonif we can just make this possible for this guy to write a rule that says (network:router_external=True) or something on get_subnet22:59
kevinbentonthen we should be good22:59
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