| ekcs | time for congress meeting. thinrichs ramineni_ masahito | 00:00 |
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| ekcs | #startmeeting congressteammeeting | 00:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 8 00:00:50 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekcs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting' | 00:00 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: hi | 00:01 |
| ekcs | Hi all. As usual, topics are ketp here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-meeting-topics | 00:01 |
| ekcs | feel free to add & comment. | 00:01 |
| ekcs | hi ramineni_ ! | 00:01 |
| ekcs | good to have you back = ) | 00:01 |
| ramineni_ | :) | 00:02 |
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| masahito | hi | 00:03 |
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| ekcs | hi masahito ! | 00:04 |
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| ekcs | great let’s go ahead and get started then. | 00:06 |
| ekcs | #topic pike-2 | 00:07 |
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| ekcs | quick announcement. Pike-2 release is in progress this week. I’ve started basic testing. expecting to tag a release today. | 00:07 |
| ramineni_1 | ekcs: great | 00:08 |
| ekcs | #topic policy library tasks | 00:08 |
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| ekcs | again just a quick announcement. Some policy library tasks are up. #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bugs?field.tag=policy-lib | 00:09 |
| ekcs | feel free to discuss, comment, modify, and sign up if interested. | 00:09 |
| masahito | got it | 00:10 |
| masahito | the release of policy-library is targeting Pike? | 00:10 |
| ekcs | yup. might be a little tight cuz the design and discussions took longer than expected. but I’m still aiming for pike. | 00:12 |
| ekcs | In the ML email: https://openstack.nimeyo.com/114043/openstack-dev-congress-policy-library-tasks | 00:12 |
| ekcs | I mentioned how we can ship just the essential pieces if we run out of time. | 00:12 |
| ramineni_1 | ekcs: may be you can tag as pike3 for essential pieces | 00:13 |
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| ekcs | yea not sure how we use the targeting exactly. I have some non-essential pieces targeted to pike-3 as well but lower priority. | 00:15 |
| ekcs | And since we’re on the topic of policy library, here’s some patches going on: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:policy-library | 00:16 |
| ekcs | several minor changes to the spec as the implementation happens. | 00:16 |
| ekcs | the bigger one is the bulk of the DB interfaces for policy library. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/471954/ | 00:17 |
| ekcs | comments appreciated =) | 00:17 |
| ekcs | ramineni_1: back to pike3 tagging, is it more helpful if anything lower priority is not targeted for pike-3? | 00:18 |
| ekcs | I’ne been using target is when we’d LIKE to get it done, knowing that we probably won’t get everything done, and that’s where the importance field comes in. | 00:19 |
| ramineni_1 | ekcs: yes | 00:19 |
| ramineni_1 | ekcs: sounds good | 00:20 |
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| ekcs | ok maybe more discussion later about what’s most helpful to everyone with launchpad. We need to go through and retarget a bunch of things too. | 00:20 |
| ekcs | anything else on policy library? | 00:20 |
| ramineni_1 | ekcs: no | 00:21 |
| ekcs | ok moving on then =) | 00:21 |
| ekcs | #topic policy monitoring UI | 00:21 |
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| ekcs | Last week I put up a very rough mockup based on PTG discussions. | 00:22 |
| ekcs | #link https://wireframepro.mockflow.com/view/congress-policy-monitor | 00:22 |
| ekcs | thinrichs and masahito and I had some discussion and I’ve updated the mockup based on the discussion. | 00:22 |
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| ramineni_1 | ekcs: how are we classifying errors and warnings | 00:23 |
| ramineni_1 | ekcs: tables starting with error_ ? | 00:23 |
| ekcs | Basically the main page gives a table of violated policies, inculding color-coded column counting how many tuples there are in the table `error` and the table `warining` | 00:23 |
| ekcs | and user can cilck into each policy to go to that specific page. | 00:24 |
| ekcs | the `error` table and `warning` table would be treated as special in each policy (by the UI) | 00:24 |
| ramineni_1 | ekcs: there cannot be multiple error/warning tables in one policy? | 00:25 |
| ekcs | correct. is that a problem? | 00:25 |
| ekcs | different types of error can ultimately be summarized into an error table. for example | 00:26 |
| ekcs | error(…) :- error_A(…) | 00:26 |
| ekcs | error(…) :- error_B(…) | 00:26 |
| ekcs | error(…) :- error_C(…) | 00:27 |
| ramineni_1 | ekcs , ok | 00:27 |
| ekcs | ultimately we may want to make the system more flexible, but using the special table now (only for UI purpose) leaves the door open for adding more customization down the road. | 00:28 |
| ekcs | Anyway and when a user clicks one of the rows, we take the user to the policy page (already exists today). | 00:28 |
| ekcs | but we can add some more details tailored to the violations. | 00:29 |
| ekcs | for example, displaying the error and warning tables. | 00:29 |
| ekcs | see the “per policy page” on mockflow.com | 00:29 |
| ramineni_1 | ekcs: and one question, yesterday myself and masahito also were discussing regarding this, is there a way to retrive the rule id of the action policy executed or policy violated | 00:29 |
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| ekcs | hmmm | 00:30 |
| ekcs | so say execute[action] :- p(a) {rule id: 19823} | 00:30 |
| ramineni_1 | ekcs: for nitification feature, carlos wants to add rule_id, project_id also as part of message | 00:31 |
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| ramineni_1 | ekcs: yes | 00:31 |
| ekcs | hmmm. I’m sure there is a way. but probbaly not built in currently. I think it’d require a small change. | 00:32 |
| ekcs | we discussed a little with thinrichs last week about the explanation code in congress | 00:32 |
| ekcs | that shows derivation of any result. | 00:33 |
| ekcs | it’ll show the rules and tuples used to derive each thing. | 00:33 |
| ekcs | but it right now shows only the rule text now the rule ID. | 00:33 |
| ekcs | probably not hard to make it get rule ID. | 00:33 |
| ekcs | there is a question of what exactly is desired. | 00:34 |
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| ekcs | rule ID of only the last rule? or of all the rules involved in deriving? | 00:34 |
| ekcs | a(x) :- b(x) | 00:34 |
| ekcs | execute[action] :- a(x) | 00:35 |
| ekcs | we could report both rule IDs or just one. | 00:35 |
| ramineni_1 | ekcs: he is inetrested in only in rule_id where th action is executed | 00:35 |
| ekcs | we could also report the whole derivation tree. and sometimes there are multiple derivations for the same action. | 00:35 |
| ramineni_1 | ekcs: the featue already there, are to be added? | 00:36 |
| ekcs | there is already the explanation code to trace derivation. mostly just used for debugging now. | 00:36 |
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| ekcs | that can be used to find the rule that executed. | 00:36 |
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| ramineni_1 | ekcs: can you point me to the link of that code | 00:37 |
| ekcs | sure I’ll look for it after meeting =) | 00:37 |
| ramineni_1 | ekcs: thanks | 00:37 |
| ekcs | ramineni_1: was there a thought about how monitoring UI can use rule ID as well? | 00:38 |
| ekcs | or any other thoughts about the monitoring UI? | 00:38 |
| ramineni_1 | ekcs: yes, we could add if we can retireve it , and also we thought before about adding actions also to UI | 00:40 |
| ramineni_1 | ekcs: possible action, but may be will be complicated for initial design, could look into it later | 00:40 |
| ekcs | do you mean a display of recent actions executed? | 00:41 |
| ekcs | or suggested actions for resolving a violation? | 00:41 |
| ramineni_1 | ekcs: both, this UI doesnt show, if the actions are defined for violations right as it wont be part of eror/warning | 00:42 |
| ekcs | ramineni_1: right that’s a weakness right now. | 00:42 |
| ramineni_1 | ekcs: makes sense to show by adding modal tables there | 00:43 |
| ramineni_1 | ? | 00:43 |
| ramineni_1 | apart from errors/warnings | 00:44 |
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| ekcs | like the execute table? we could do that. but it might be a little confusing. | 00:44 |
| ramineni_1 | ekcs: ya , ok | 00:45 |
| ekcs | it’d be a combination of things that have already triggered an action and things that are about the trigger an action. | 00:45 |
| ekcs | an action is executed for each NEW row in the execute table. | 00:45 |
| ekcs | what do you think would be helpful? | 00:46 |
| ramineni_1 | ekcs: i think it will be good to show, actions performed as part of policy violations | 00:47 |
| ramineni_1 | ekcs: but not sure which place would be better | 00:47 |
| ekcs | yea showing actions performed is definitely helpful. problem right now is the modal table doesn’t give you exactly that. | 00:48 |
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| ekcs | but anyway we can find a way to track actions performed in relation to a policy. | 00:49 |
| ramineni_1 | ekcs:hmm, right | 00:49 |
| ekcs | so would it be good on the main page or only on the per policy page? | 00:49 |
| ekcs | maybe one more column on the main page showing number of actions performed in the last period of time (1 hr, 10 min, whatever)? | 00:50 |
| ekcs | then in the per policy page showing history of actions executed and the rule that triggered each? | 00:51 |
| ramineni_1 | ekcs: ya, sounds good. | 00:52 |
| ekcs | cool. yea may not be for phase 1, but definitely something we want. | 00:52 |
| ekcs | any thoughts masahito ? | 00:52 |
| masahito | that sounds good. | 00:54 |
| ekcs | ok then | 00:55 |
| ekcs | #topic open discussion | 00:55 |
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| ekcs | anything else to talk about today? | 00:55 |
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| masahito | just fyi | 00:55 |
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| masahito | I'll attend OPNFV summit next week. So I won't join the next meeting. | 00:56 |
| ekcs | gotcha! | 00:56 |
| masahito | And in the summit, OPNFV Doctor project will have its demo that uses Congress | 00:56 |
| ekcs | exciting. is it similar to the one at openstack before? | 00:57 |
| ramineni_1 | masahito: nice | 00:57 |
| masahito | ekcs: yes. but not cutting a cable :-) | 00:58 |
| ekcs | hahaha. great! | 00:58 |
| masahito | that's from my side. | 00:58 |
| ekcs | ok then. time’s up too. great discussions on UI. talk more later! | 00:59 |
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| ekcs | have a great week all. | 00:59 |
| ekcs | #endmeeting | 00:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 8 00:59:44 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-06-08-00.00.html | 00:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-06-08-00.00.txt | 00:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-06-08-00.00.log.html | 00:59 |
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| masahito | bye | 01:01 |
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| zhenguo | #startmeeting mogan | 02:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 8 02:00:54 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zhenguo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 02:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 02:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mogan' | 02:00 |
| zhenguo | hi all, | 02:01 |
| liusheng | o/ | 02:01 |
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| litao__ | o/ | 02:01 |
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| zhenguo | shaohe_feng, wanghao, luyao, Xinran, zhangyang: are you here? | 02:02 |
| Xinran | o/ | 02:02 |
| zhangyang | o/ | 02:03 |
| zhenguo | ok | 02:03 |
| zhenguo | as always, the agenda: | 02:03 |
| zhenguo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Mogan#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 02:03 |
| zhenguo | let's jump in | 02:03 |
| zhenguo | #topic announcements and reminders | 02:03 |
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| zhenguo | we changed to use node resource class instead of adding a new node_type property to match our flavors. | 02:04 |
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| litao__ | no need to set property in ironic node？ | 02:05 |
| zhenguo | but seems we can't use plancement to track node resouces now | 02:05 |
| zhenguo | litao__: yes | 02:05 |
| litao__ | zhenguo: great | 02:05 |
| zhenguo | litao__: ironic node has a resource_class propery | 02:05 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: is it same as node_type ? | 02:06 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: yes, we just use it as node_type | 02:06 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: got iy | 02:06 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: and that field is just for such purpose | 02:06 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: ok | 02:06 |
| zhenguo | as ironic also want to let placement to track resource like what we have done | 02:07 |
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| litao__ | why not mogan? | 02:07 |
| zhenguo | litao__: hah | 02:07 |
| wanghao | hi guys, I'm here | 02:07 |
| zhenguo | wanghao: o/ | 02:07 |
| zhenguo | litao__: that's also benefet for us, we can use placement to track node resouces later | 02:08 |
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| litao__ | zhenguo: got it | 02:08 |
| zhenguo | litao: but we are a bit different, as we need to expose nodes to users to manage the node aggregates | 02:08 |
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| zhenguo | if we move all our node resources to placement, users can't know which node they can add/remove to aggregates | 02:09 |
| zhenguo | that's the gap, otherwise we can just turn to Placement | 02:09 |
| zhenguo | ok, another thing is still the CLI | 02:10 |
| zhenguo | after we introduce the node notion to mogan, seems we can't avoid collisions with baremetal node | 02:11 |
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| zhenguo | we recently land the patch to expose node list api to admins, but I'm still not sure how to add it to CLI | 02:12 |
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| litao__ | looks like nova | 02:12 |
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| zhenguo | like openstack baremetal node list? which is what ironic use | 02:12 |
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| liusheng | lol | 02:12 |
| zhenguo | litao__: yes, but nova is host aggreagtes, so they can move all resouces tracking to placement | 02:13 |
| zhenguo | openstack bm node list seems a good alternative to me, wdyt> | 02:14 |
| litao__ | yes, nova only exposes host to users | 02:14 |
| wanghao | maybe openstack mogan node list hahah | 02:14 |
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| liusheng | how about we don't export "node list" command in mogan | 02:15 |
| zhenguo | wanghao: but there are some discussion before, the community disgree to use project name | 02:15 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: if so, how can admins manage node aggregates :D | 02:15 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: admin users can just use baremetal node list of ironic, and create node aggregates through mogan | 02:16 |
| wanghao | zhenguo: okay I see | 02:17 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: not sure if it's accepatable | 02:17 |
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| litao__ | I think use two type API is strange | 02:18 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: for OSC perspective, we don't need to care where the baremetal node resource existing | 02:18 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: we only need to know there is baremetal node resources in OpenStack | 02:18 |
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| zhenguo | liusheng: yes, but we for mogan we only want to expose available nodes to users, not only a ironic node list | 02:19 |
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| liusheng | zhenguo: even after we exposing nodes of mogan to end user, users only can see the available nodes ? | 02:20 |
| zhenguo | and for cloudboot driver, how could we handle this? | 02:20 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: hmm, yes, that need to consider | 02:21 |
| zhangyang | maybe admin can see all the nodes from different drivers? | 02:21 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: users just need to list the nodes through mogan, they don't need to care about the filters | 02:21 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: as we only save available nodes for mogan which can be provisioned | 02:21 |
| zhenguo | zhangyang: yes, but currently, we can't only support one driver in a deployment :D | 02:22 |
| zhenguo | s/can't/can | 02:23 |
| zhenguo | maybe we can discuss this later, also have something to discuss during the meeting | 02:24 |
| zhenguo | let's move on | 02:24 |
| zhangyang | zhenguo: yes, didn't see the need of using different drivers in a deployment now | 02:24 |
| liusheng | ok | 02:25 |
| litao__ | we can use different hypervisor type like nova, | 02:25 |
| zhenguo | zhangyang: yes | 02:25 |
| zhenguo | litao__: but we only have one engine service, not multi compute service | 02:25 |
| wanghao | multibackend support need more discuss | 02:25 |
| zhenguo | sure | 02:26 |
| wanghao | we need some feedback from really user. | 02:26 |
| wanghao | so we can leave it as it is now. | 02:26 |
| zhenguo | yes, but for now, seems not requirement for multi backend | 02:26 |
| wanghao | sure | 02:26 |
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| zhenguo | the last thing I want to mention is the reviews | 02:27 |
| zhenguo | Contribution into mogan for the last 30 days | 02:27 |
| zhenguo | #link http://stackalytics.com/report/contribution/mogan/30 | 02:27 |
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| zhenguo | the last 30 days we only got 139 reviews | 02:28 |
| zhenguo | only got 1.4 per core per day | 02:28 |
| liusheng | :( | 02:29 |
| wanghao | ：（ | 02:29 |
| zhenguo | hah, just want to get more reviews from you guys, and also we want got get more core reviewers | 02:30 |
| litao__ | lol | 02:30 |
| zhenguo | litao__: glad to see you reviewing my patches :D | 02:32 |
| litao__ | zhenguo: my pleasure | 02:32 |
| liusheng | sorry absent a while | 02:32 |
| zhenguo | hah | 02:32 |
| liusheng | we really need to improve reviewing | 02:32 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: yes we do | 02:33 |
| litao__ | Recently, I found some foreigners committed codes | 02:34 |
| zhenguo | we can slow down a bit the development. | 02:34 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: morning | 02:34 |
| zhenguo | litao__: yes, but just some trival fix | 02:34 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: o/ | 02:34 |
| litao__ | zhenguo; yes, but a big progress | 02:35 |
| zhenguo | litao__: hah | 02:35 |
| zhenguo | ok, not much of announcement, anyone else got a thing here? | 02:35 |
| wanghao | Do we refresh our task? | 02:36 |
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| wanghao | any update this week? | 02:36 |
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| zhenguo | wanghao: yes, during next topic | 02:36 |
| wanghao | ok | 02:36 |
| zhenguo | ok, let's move on | 02:36 |
| zhenguo | #topic task tracking | 02:36 |
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| zhenguo | #links https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MoganWhiteBoard | 02:36 |
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| zhenguo | we can go through it one by one | 02:37 |
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| zhenguo | first is node aggregates, I made a spec for it, need more reviews | 02:37 |
| zhenguo | and the patch to expose nodes to admins is already landed. | 02:38 |
| wanghao | cool | 02:39 |
| wanghao | spec and code we both have | 02:39 |
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| zhenguo | wanghao: hah, just the first patch :D | 02:39 |
| wanghao | zhenguo: good start | 02:40 |
| wanghao | haha | 02:40 |
| zhenguo | lol | 02:40 |
| zhangyang | cool, we still need a little time to finish the aggregate part.. | 02:40 |
| zhenguo | zhangyang: hope you and liudong can review the spec to see if it meets your requriements | 02:40 |
| litao__ | excited | 02:41 |
| zhangyang | zhenguo: liudong added some comment | 02:41 |
| zhenguo | zhangyang: ok, will check | 02:41 |
| zhenguo | ok, next is server groups and scheduler hints | 02:42 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: it's yours | 02:43 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: ok, I have uploaded two paches for scheduler hints | 02:43 |
| liusheng | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/463534/ | 02:44 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: yes, I see, seems almost good | 02:44 |
| liusheng | firstly, the patch expose the api that allow users specifying scheduler_hints when creating servers | 02:44 |
| zhenguo | hi all, please remember to update the ehterpad, we plan to send out the update every week to present to the whole community | 02:45 |
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| liusheng | and the scheduler hints will be put in to request_spec | 02:45 |
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| liusheng | and will be passed to scheduler | 02:45 |
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| zhenguo | liusheng: yes, and the server group patch, maybe you also need to make more time on it, as liudong seems cant get time, but he can help to review | 02:46 |
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| liusheng | zhenguo: yeah, sure | 02:47 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: ok, thanks | 02:47 |
| zhenguo | next is adopt servers, wanghao^^ | 02:47 |
| wanghao | okay | 02:47 |
| wanghao | this week I updated the spec according to the comments | 02:48 |
| zhenguo | aha, yes, we will try to do more reviews on this | 02:48 |
| wanghao | yeah | 02:48 |
| wanghao | I think we are close | 02:48 |
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| zhenguo | wanghao: I also think so, thanks for sticking on this | 02:49 |
| wanghao | so maybe next week we can prepare to code something. | 02:49 |
| zhenguo | sounds cool :D | 02:49 |
| wanghao | zhenguo: haha happy to | 02:49 |
| zhenguo | next is valence integration | 02:49 |
| zhenguo | not sure if we should place it in high priority section | 02:50 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: wdyt? | 02:50 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: which task | 02:50 |
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| zhenguo | shaohe_feng, luyao, Xinran: I assign it to us | 02:50 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: I have seen it. | 02:51 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: please look at this https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MoganWhiteBoard | 02:51 |
| zhenguo | the valence related one | 02:51 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: Let me check with yanglin | 02:51 |
| shaohe_feng | first | 02:51 |
| shaohe_feng | I should know the valence status. | 02:52 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: ok, so we can leave a not updates to the task this week | 02:52 |
| shaohe_feng | OK. | 02:52 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: we will sent the task report out, so valence guys can also see it | 02:52 |
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| shaohe_feng | Great. | 02:52 |
| zhenguo | ok, seems not much time left | 02:52 |
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| zhenguo | every ower can upade the other tasks on the etherpad, | 02:53 |
| wanghao | OK BTW I move specifying port id patch into this etherpad. | 02:53 |
| zhenguo | wanghao: cool, thanks | 02:53 |
| zhenguo | wanghao: on my tests, it's almost good | 02:53 |
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| wanghao | zhenguo: thanks | 02:54 |
| wanghao | zhenguo: I'm building my new devstack for mogan | 02:54 |
| zhenguo | wanghao: any bad thing happened? | 02:54 |
| wanghao | zhenguo: not yet for now | 02:54 |
| zhenguo | wanghao: hah, good luck | 02:55 |
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| wanghao | zhenguo: that will help to test mogan more. | 02:55 |
| wanghao | zhenguo: haha | 02:55 |
| zhenguo | wanghao: lol | 02:55 |
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| zhenguo | wanghao: we can discuss later about the weekly report context, maybe just like ironic's | 02:55 |
| wanghao | zhenguo: sure | 02:56 |
| zhenguo | ok, let's move on to next topic although there's only 5min left | 02:56 |
| zhenguo | #topic open discussion | 02:56 |
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| zhenguo | who's got a thing here | 02:56 |
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| shaohe_feng | no from me. | 02:57 |
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| zhenguo | hah, ok, if not, we can end the meeting | 02:58 |
| zhenguo | thanks y'all | 02:58 |
| wanghao | cool bye bye | 02:58 |
| liusheng | bye | 02:58 |
| zhenguo | #endmeeting | 02:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 8 02:58:36 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 02:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mogan/2017/mogan.2017-06-08-02.00.html | 02:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mogan/2017/mogan.2017-06-08-02.00.txt | 02:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mogan/2017/mogan.2017-06-08-02.00.log.html | 02:58 |
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| ianychoi | yep | 13:04 |
| ianychoi | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 13:04 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:04 |
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| ianychoi | pahuang, yep | 13:04 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 13:04 |
| ianychoi | #topic Zanata webinar | 13:05 |
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| ianychoi | pahuang, can I start streaaming then? | 13:05 |
| pahuang | yes i think we can start | 13:05 |
| aeng_ | its recorded right? | 13:06 |
| aeng_ | not many ppl joined | 13:06 |
| ianychoi | aeng_, sure I am trying | 13:06 |
| aeng_ | :) | 13:06 |
| pahuang | it says i need to reconnect. can you still see my screen? | 13:06 |
| ianychoi | #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVCSAfk4t54 | 13:06 |
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| ianychoi | The screen seems in pause | 13:07 |
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| aeng_ | in youtube? | 13:07 |
| aeng_ | screen in youtube is the same... | 13:07 |
| jpich | Ah, loading now :) | 13:08 |
| ianychoi | It should be in live | 13:08 |
| aeng_ | ah | 13:08 |
| aeng_ | yup | 13:08 |
| ianychoi | pahuang, would you reconnect? | 13:08 |
| aeng_ | can see desktop | 13:08 |
| ianychoi | Good | 13:08 |
| ianychoi | pahuang, would u show your slide then? Voice seems fine | 13:09 |
| pahuang | screensharing doesn't seem to reconnect | 13:09 |
| ianychoi | Oh really.. | 13:09 |
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| aeng_ | we can hear you | 13:10 |
| jftalta | hi all | 13:10 |
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| ianychoi | Would u try again pahuang ? | 13:10 |
| pahuang | can you see the screen move? | 13:10 |
| aeng_ | hi jftalta | 13:10 |
| aeng_ | now the screen is black | 13:10 |
| aeng_ | feel free to start sharing | 13:10 |
| aeng_ | "" | 13:10 |
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| ianychoi | pahuang, good | 13:10 |
| aeng_ | can see now | 13:10 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, jpich plz see through https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVCSAfk4t54 | 13:11 |
| jpich | Yep, I am! Working well | 13:11 |
| ianychoi | Great! | 13:11 |
| jftalta | I'd like, but I can't :( | 13:11 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, I am trying to record it :) | 13:11 |
| jftalta | I have to attend a kind of crisis meeting... | 13:12 |
| jftalta | ianychoi, ok :) | 13:13 |
| ianychoi | aeng_, from which version supports API for the list of translators? | 13:13 |
| aeng_ | 4.2.0 | 13:13 |
| aeng_ | ianychoi, list of transaltors of a project? | 13:13 |
| aeng_ | that is in 4.0 | 13:13 |
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| ianychoi | aeng_, aha thank u | 13:14 |
| jpich | Good luck, jftalta | 13:15 |
| ianychoi | Wow.. much better user interface | 13:15 |
| jftalta | jpich, thanks a lot | 13:15 |
| aeng_ | for next upgrade.. i would say just go for the latest version | 13:15 |
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| aeng_ | 4.2.1 now | 13:15 |
| ianychoi | Aha.. the current fedora25 vm for webinar is 4.2.1? | 13:16 |
| aeng_ | yeah | 13:16 |
| aeng_ | 4.2.1 | 13:16 |
| ianychoi | I see | 13:16 |
| aeng_ | latest | 13:16 |
| ianychoi | Good | 13:17 |
| ianychoi | One thing I want to ask is that can Zanata admin(s) see the request messges (join to language team)? I think the message is sent to language coordinators through e-mail and the message is not stored in zanata | 13:19 |
| aeng_ | yeah.. because we dont want to be another emailing system | 13:20 |
| aeng_ | but in the UI, language coordinators and admin can see the request in the language page | 13:20 |
| ianychoi | Haha I see. :) | 13:20 |
| aeng_ | there's another ticket which allows admin to see all pending requests all in language list page | 13:21 |
| aeng_ | its not implemented yet | 13:21 |
| ianychoi | Aha.. yep | 13:21 |
| aeng_ | but will help with the request process... if coordinator or admin is ignoring their email | 13:21 |
| jftalta | goodbye I18N et Zanata guys, I've got to go. See you soon. | 13:22 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, see u later! | 13:22 |
| jftalta | s/et/and/ | 13:22 |
| aeng_ | no problem.. see ya jftalta | 13:22 |
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| ianychoi | Webhook for "Translation milestone" looks so nice! | 13:24 |
| amotoki | hi | 13:26 |
| ianychoi | Oh JSON file: jpich already supported it :) | 13:26 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, hi! | 13:26 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, FYI: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVCSAfk4t54 (We are seeing it) | 13:26 |
| amotoki | working well | 13:27 |
| ianychoi | good :) | 13:27 |
| aeng_ | for json file, please read http://docs.zanata.org/en/release/user-guide/documents/raw-documents/ and http://okapi.sourceforge.net/Release/Filters/Help/json.htm | 13:27 |
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| aeng_ | since there's no standard way for internationalise json file, we have to pick the most general ones | 13:28 |
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| jpich | I'll have to look at the details when we upgrade, see if we can simplify our code | 13:30 |
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| aeng_ | the best way for translate and maximise the reuse of translation still still po/pot format | 13:31 |
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| amotoki | the API docs upgrade sounds so nice. | 13:32 |
| jpich | Maybe we'll stick to that then :) we're converting json -> pot then po -> json. Seems to work well enough so far | 13:32 |
| amotoki | the current API docs of Zanata is hard to understand without trying several things in my mind :( | 13:32 |
| aeng_ | https://zanata.ci.cloudbees.com/job/zanata-api-site/site/zanata-common-api/rest-api-docs/index.html | 13:33 |
| aeng_ | its all listed on resources | 13:33 |
| amotoki | aeng_: for example, if I look at https://zanata.ci.cloudbees.com/job/zanata-api-site/site/zanata-common-api/rest-api-docs/resource_ProjectVersionResource.html | 13:33 |
| amotoki | aeng_: I cannot know what values are allowed for projectSlug or versionSlug. How can we know them? | 13:34 |
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| aeng_ | ah | 13:34 |
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| aeng_ | perhaps the explaination is not detailed enough | 13:34 |
| aeng_ | projectSlugpathProject identifier | 13:34 |
| amotoki | in case of projectSlug or versionSlug, it can be predictable but in some case it is difficult | 13:34 |
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| ianychoi | pahuang, great! Thanks a lot for your presentation | 13:35 |
| aeng_ | yeah, perhaps we can put more information on the expected fields | 13:35 |
| pahuang | my pleasure | 13:35 |
| amotoki | iterationSlug is most difficult one to me :( | 13:35 |
| ianychoi | pahuang, let's wait for several minutes | 13:35 |
| aeng_ | amotoki, if you have any issue, feel free to send us email | 13:35 |
| amotoki | aeng_: sure. | 13:35 |
| aeng_ | thanks pahuang, wonderful presentation | 13:36 |
| amotoki | it is just my experience when I worked on Zanata API as part of openstack-i18n tool | 13:36 |
| aeng_ | i agree our doc is not the easiest to use | 13:36 |
| ianychoi | pahuang, What are the actual shortcut keys for approving/rejecting reviews? | 13:36 |
| ianychoi | For example, Ctrl+A? | 13:36 |
| pahuang | ctrl+shift+a? | 13:37 |
| pahuang | it | 13:37 |
| pahuang | it's in the shortcut cheatsheet | 13:37 |
| ianychoi | And.. would it be so easy to test Zanata with the docker image provided in Zanata homepage? | 13:37 |
| ianychoi | Aha | 13:37 |
| aeng_ | Ctrl+shift+a = approve | 13:37 |
| aeng_ | Ctrl+shift+R = reject | 13:37 |
| ianychoi | Oh good :) | 13:38 |
| amotoki | for shortcuts, Ctrl-S is sometimes confusing. it creates fuzzy string, but sometimes users expects to save strings as translated by Ctrl-S | 13:38 |
| pahuang | yes i am running docker in my demo | 13:38 |
| aeng_ | yes, docker image is the way to go | 13:38 |
| aeng_ | even for dev | 13:38 |
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| ianychoi | Would you recommend me for the guide with Docker image? | 13:38 |
| pahuang | ctrl s is use by browser by default. so we try not to steal browser shortcuts | 13:38 |
| aeng_ | ianychoi, to test the docker? | 13:39 |
| ianychoi | aeng_, yep | 13:39 |
| pahuang | ianychoi, we have a dockerhub image. but i think we haven't had an automated way to publish it continuously. | 13:39 |
| aeng_ | the readme should be sufficient | 13:39 |
| amotoki | I see 'Save as Fuzzy (Ctrl+S)' in the current openstack zanata instance. this is what i mean. | 13:40 |
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| ianychoi | Aha.. I see thank you | 13:40 |
| amotoki | (i am using Mac OSX) | 13:40 |
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| aeng_ | keyboard shortcut is a tricky business.. :) | 13:40 |
| amotoki | it may be different on Linux or windows env. | 13:40 |
| amotoki | it is really tricky :) | 13:41 |
| ianychoi | Haha... mac is Cmd not Ctrl | 13:41 |
| pahuang | ah right. yes ctrl+s will save as fuzzy. well i forgot to show the new editor we are continuing working on. it will have different shortcuts. hopefully soon it will replace the current editor | 13:41 |
| ianychoi | Let's close the streaming. Thank you so much pahuang ! | 13:42 |
| amotoki | When I see fuzzy strings in Japanese transaltion and asked the authors several times, they said 'ah... i pressed ctrl-s. I didn't intend to save it as fuzzy' | 13:42 |
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| amotoki | thank you! | 13:42 |
| pahuang | ctrl enter will save as translated and move to next row. i would recommend using that ;) | 13:43 |
| ianychoi | Yep :) | 13:43 |
| ianychoi | #topic open discussion | 13:44 |
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| ianychoi | Actually now I have several topics but I mainly focused on such webinar today, I want to move on open discussions | 13:44 |
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| ianychoi | amotoki, not considering user survey translation with ATC status is just my proposal - since someone might think that ATC status would be valid only to upstream projects | 13:45 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, but I don't have a strong opinion on this. | 13:45 |
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| amotoki | ianychoi: this is just my question. | 13:46 |
| amotoki | ianychoi: I agree that we need to clarify what projects are considered as ATC. | 13:46 |
| amotoki | ianychoi: user survey may be categorized into AUC? I am not sure the foundation related works like user survey are categorized into what category? | 13:47 |
| amotoki | if we apply a new criteria, it should start in the next cycle. | 13:48 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, I think there may be two options on that 1) considering user survey translations with ATC status and 2) enumerating credits (who contributed to user survey translations) on somethere 3) AUC - oh I have not thought with such things just I am adding it by seeing your message | 13:48 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, +1 starting from the next cycle | 13:48 |
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| amotoki | ianychoi: yeah, there are several options. | 13:49 |
| amotoki | i didn't think your idea so far. That's good point | 13:49 |
| ianychoi | aeng_, pahuang - thanks a lot. My final question might be: are you considering newer version of Java (e.g., Java 9) and Wildfly 11 later? | 13:49 |
| aeng_ | java 9, dont think we will move to that anytime soon | 13:50 |
| aeng_ | we on wildfly 10 now.... | 13:50 |
| aeng_ | and 11 is still in alpha | 13:50 |
| aeng_ | so not for now | 13:51 |
| pahuang | not at the moment. i think we won't do major platform upgrade in a while | 13:51 |
| ianychoi | aeng_, thanks a lot. Just plz share it later if you have such plans... :) Unfortunately I have no time to upgrade it now but I think it would be much nice to see all with infra team during Sydney Summit and discuss upgrade | 13:51 |
| aeng_ | yeah | 13:51 |
| aeng_ | we might want to discuss about upgrade to 4.X | 13:52 |
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| aeng_ | Alright guys. I need to go now. Good night from AUS | 13:55 |
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| amotoki | i have another type of question. is there any ongoing effort to create python client side API bindings? | 13:55 |
| aeng_ | amotoki, the pyhton client is maintained by community | 13:55 |
| ianychoi_ | Oh this channel :) | 13:55 |
| ianychoi_ | aeng_, have a good night! | 13:55 |
| ianychoi_ | aeng_, would u share the url for such python client? | 13:55 |
| aeng_ | feel free to contribute towards it | 13:55 |
| aeng_ | https://github.com/zanata/zanata-python-client | 13:56 |
| aeng_ | it is not as up to date as our supported client | 13:56 |
| aeng_ | we still recommend to use zanata-cli which will be always up to date with the server | 13:56 |
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| amotoki | thanks, but it might be a CLI implementation, not SDK | 13:57 |
| amotoki | anyway i will check it later | 13:57 |
| aeng_ | alright. Let us know if you have any other question | 13:57 |
| aeng_ | Good night guys :0 | 13:57 |
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| ianychoi | Good night! | 13:57 |
| amotoki | good night :) | 13:57 |
| aeng_ | and thanks pahuang :) | 13:57 |
| amotoki | pahuang: thanks a lot | 13:58 |
| pahuang | np | 13:58 |
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| ianychoi | pahuang, so great webinar today :) | 13:58 |
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| pahuang | thanks | 13:58 |
| pahuang | i also need to leave now. any more questions? | 13:59 |
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| ianychoi | It's already 14:00 UTC | 13:59 |
| ianychoi | Thanks a lot for attending today | 13:59 |
| ianychoi | Let's close today IRC meeting | 13:59 |
| ianychoi | #endmeeting | 13:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 8 13:59:57 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-06-08-13.04.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-06-08-13.04.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-06-08-13.04.log.html | 14:00 |
| ianychoi | pahuang, again, thanks a lot today! | 14:00 |
| pahuang | my pleasure. bye guys | 14:00 |
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| andreaf | #startmeeting qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 8 17:00:29 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is andreaf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:00 |
| andreaf | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_Jun_8th_2017_.281700_UTC.29 Today's agenda | 17:00 |
| andreaf | who's here for the meeting today? | 17:01 |
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| hogepodge | o/ | 17:01 |
| felipemonteiro__ | o/ | 17:01 |
| blancos | o/ | 17:01 |
| dustins | \o | 17:01 |
| raildo | o/ | 17:02 |
| chandankumar | \o/ | 17:02 |
| andreaf | nice we have a good attendance today :) | 17:02 |
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| andreaf | ok let's start | 17:03 |
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| andreaf | I just wanted to mention again that zhufl joined tempest core - welcome to the team! | 17:03 |
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| andreaf | #topic Meeting time | 17:03 |
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| andreaf | about the meeting I created a patch in irc-meetings to move the 9:00 UTC one to 8:00 UTC, mostly to help folks in APAC | 17:04 |
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| andreaf | Next week will be the first meeting on the new time | 17:04 |
| andreaf | no change to this meeting at 17:00 UTC | 17:05 |
| andreaf | #topic Previous Meeting Action review | 17:05 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Previous Meeting Action review (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:05 | |
| chandankumar | andreaf: new timing is going to early for me in afternoon :-) | 17:05 |
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| andreaf | chandankumar: hopefully that helps ^_^ | 17:06 |
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| andreaf | The only action item from last meeting was to try and setup a rota for the categorization work on the recheck page | 17:07 |
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| andreaf | I haven'd done that yet, so I will set an action again | 17:07 |
| andreaf | #action andreaf send an email about classification rota and mentoring | 17:07 |
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| andreaf | #topic PTG | 17:08 |
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| andreaf | For the PTG it's still some time to go, but I think the structure is pretty much going to be now to what Thierry proposed | 17:09 |
| andreaf | If you see something does not work for you with the current plan please speak now, later it will become more and more difficult to change things | 17:09 |
| dustins | Remind me, what are the dates for the PTG? | 17:10 |
| andreaf | Sept 11 to 15 I believe? | 17:10 |
| andreaf | in Denver | 17:10 |
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| andreaf | it's going to be 2 + 3, the initial 2 days for working groups and help rooms for horizontal teams | 17:11 |
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| andreaf | 3 days for project dedicated spaces, including QA | 17:11 |
| dustins | andreaf: Awesome, thanks! | 17:12 |
| andreaf | dustins: will you be there? | 17:12 |
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| dustins | I believe Manila is not attending the PTG, in favor of a virtual one this time around | 17:12 |
| dustins | And the possibility of doing design sessions at the Summits in the future | 17:12 |
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| dustins | So I honestly don't know | 17:13 |
| andreaf | ok | 17:13 |
| chandankumar | same here. | 17:13 |
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| andreaf | design sessions at the summit sounds like the old model | 17:13 |
| chandankumar | andreaf: but i will let you know my status in advance. :-) | 17:14 |
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| dustins | andreaf: Yeah... There are some good reasons, the big ones being overlap with Cinder sessions and including more of our APAC contributors | 17:14 |
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| andreaf | heh right makes sense | 17:14 |
| dustins | Still kinda feels like going rogue, but at least there's a good reasoning :) | 17:15 |
| andreaf | dustins: it's not so easy to get to Denver from outside the US I guess - it's going to take me to layovers to get there | 17:15 |
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| dustins | andreaf: Yeah, that's a haul for sure | 17:16 |
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| andreaf | ok moving on | 17:16 |
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| andreaf | #topic Gate stability | 17:16 |
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| andreaf | A couple of weeks ago the categorization rate was really low as clarkb pointed out - it's a bit better now but still below 50% for gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-full-ubuntu-xenial | 17:17 |
| andreaf | So that's something we need to get better at - I have to send out an email for that (see action point) | 17:18 |
| andreaf | Otherwise I'm not aware of any major issue going on right now | 17:18 |
| clarkb | I've been throwing patches at it. I think mriedem and sdague too which has helped | 17:19 |
| andreaf | clarkb, mriedem, sdague: thanks! | 17:20 |
| andreaf | clarkb: e-r patches? | 17:20 |
| clarkb | yes | 17:20 |
| clarkb | there have also been a few bugs that caused a bunch of gate fails that got fixed quickly (libssl-dev and a nova thing) that aren't being tracked properly IO don't think | 17:21 |
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| andreaf | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/471304/ sdague has a patch up to add a script to e-r to create a boiler plate for new bugs that looks handy to me | 17:21 |
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| andreaf | #link https://goo.gl/ptPgEw Gate failure rate | 17:22 |
| andreaf | clarkb: there were a couple of spikes in the rolling avg, I guess the bugs you mentioned | 17:23 |
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| andreaf | ok anything else on gate stability? | 17:24 |
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| andreaf | #topic Spec reviews | 17:24 |
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| andreaf | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z open specs | 17:24 |
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| andreaf | I don't have anything specific on specs | 17:25 |
| andreaf | ok I guess next topic | 17:26 |
| andreaf | #topic Tempest | 17:26 |
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| andreaf | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tempest+status:open Open Patches | 17:26 |
| andreaf | Anything on Tempest anyone? | 17:27 |
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| felipemonteiro__ | minor question i was wondering whether test_change_admin_password is run anywhere, couldn't find a gate that didn't skip it | 17:27 |
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| andreaf | felipemonteiro__: not sure, I think it may require xen to work | 17:28 |
| andreaf | felipemonteiro__: we can check in openstack-health | 17:28 |
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| felipemonteiro__ | k ill do that, thanks | 17:29 |
| andreaf | ok I don't have anything specific on Tempest this week, so let's move on | 17:30 |
| andreaf | #topic Patrole | 17:31 |
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| andreaf | There are a few points here from you felipemonteiro__ - the floor is yours | 17:31 |
| felipemonteiro__ | few questions were reserved for gmann, i'll skip those. | 17:31 |
| felipemonteiro__ | was wondering qa's thoughts on backwards-compatible gates, i.e. for n-1 n-2 in patrole | 17:32 |
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| felipemonteiro__ | which is what tempest currently does with its newton and ocata gates | 17:33 |
| andreaf | felipemonteiro__: I think it would be good to have | 17:33 |
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| andreaf | felipemonteiro__: it might be a pain for the work policy in code, but it will help discover deviations in behaviour | 17:34 |
| andreaf | felipemonteiro__: Patrole is branchless right? | 17:34 |
| felipemonteiro__ | andreaf: yes our 0.1.0 release is just a tag, not a branch | 17:35 |
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| andreaf | felipemonteiro__: so from my POV setting up those gates is the right thing to do | 17:35 |
| felipemonteiro__ | andreaf: regarding the n-1/n-2 gates, those were my thoughts, though it'd require a bit of research from our own to see how much policy has changed (i don't mean policy in code, just policy definitions/naming) | 17:36 |
| felipemonteiro__ | which i don't *think* has been too much | 17:37 |
| andreaf | felipemonteiro__: right, well since patrole did not run on older release you may want to introduce those gates incrementally i.e. as soon as we start working on Queens setup the N-1 and when Rocky starts setup N-2 | 17:38 |
| andreaf | felipemonteiro__: but if it works as is I think it's fine to introduce them both now | 17:38 |
| felipemonteiro__ | andreaf: my management would prefer now just because they want to run patrole master against newton release, but wanted your input first | 17:39 |
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| andreaf | felipemonteiro__: well if it works as is I guess it will be fine, but you'll need to discuss this with the stable maintenance team as well since it would require adding the patrole job to stable/ocata and stable/newton | 17:40 |
| andreaf | otherwise changes there might break patrole gate | 17:40 |
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| andreaf | unlikely as it is, I think it would be the right thing to do | 17:40 |
| andreaf | felipemonteiro__: ^^^ | 17:40 |
| felipemonteiro__ | andreaf: i see, thanks we'll look into that. | 17:41 |
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| felipemonteiro__ | that's it from me, other items were targetted at ken'ichi/gmann but they're not here this week | 17:41 |
| andreaf | felipemonteiro__: oh wait, Patrole tests run only in Tempest gate for now, right? | 17:41 |
| andreaf | heh gmann will never be in the 17UTC meeting :) | 17:42 |
| felipemonteiro__ | andreaf: you alluding to symmetric testing? they only run in our repo right now | 17:42 |
| felipemonteiro__ | oh, i see | 17:42 |
| andreaf | felipemonteiro__: right thst's what I meant | 17:43 |
| andreaf | felipemonteiro__: so you will not necessarily need gates on stable branches | 17:43 |
| andreaf | felipemonteiro__: however if something does not work as is you'll have to make a good case to get things changed in Newton :) | 17:44 |
| felipemonteiro__ | andreaf: thanks for the information, your other plan of incrementally introducing it in the future might be a better alternative, we'll have to do some research | 17:45 |
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| felipemonteiro__ | i did add a nova spec for patrole gating targetted at queens release, i'll see how that goes | 17:45 |
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| andreaf | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/471145/ Nova spec for policy testing | 17:45 |
| andreaf | felipemonteiro__: cool thanks | 17:46 |
| andreaf | ok moving on | 17:46 |
| andreaf | #topic outreachy | 17:46 |
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| raildo | it will be a quickly one :) | 17:46 |
| raildo | so, I would like to introduce you folks, lwanderley, she is an intern in the outreachy cycle: https://wiki.gnome.org/Outreachy/2017/MayAugust#Accepted_Participants | 17:47 |
| raildo | #link https://wiki.gnome.org/Outreachy/2017/MayAugust#Accepted_Participants | 17:47 |
| lwanderley | hi, everyone :D | 17:47 |
| andreaf | welcome lwanderley! | 17:47 |
| raildo | and I'm and rodrigods( I think you know him, more than me :P) will be her mentors | 17:47 |
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| raildo | so the idea is to having a new job to test keystone with LDAP support | 17:48 |
| raildo | we already have some functional tests for this case, but we need to fix a couple of things on devstack support for LDAP and creating this job | 17:48 |
| raildo | so, she might be around the #openstack-qa asking for helping some times :) | 17:49 |
| raildo | that's it | 17:50 |
| andreaf | we have folks in a lot of different time-zones, so we should be able to help in the openstack-qa channel :) | 17:50 |
| raildo | ++ | 17:51 |
| andreaf | devstack folks are mostly in the US so that should be a good fit | 17:51 |
| lwanderley | that's great | 17:51 |
| raildo | andreaf, yeah, it's closer to our time zone, so it will be great for us | 17:51 |
| andreaf | ok, about 8 minutes left in the meeting | 17:52 |
| andreaf | moving to the last few topics | 17:53 |
| andreaf | #topic Critical reviews | 17:53 |
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| andreaf | any review that requires urgent attention? | 17:53 |
| andreaf | #topic Open Discussion | 17:54 |
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| andreaf | ok I'll give you back five minutes of your life ^_^ | 17:56 |
| andreaf | thanks for joining the meeting today | 17:56 |
| felipemonteiro__ | ty | 17:56 |
| andreaf | #endmeeting | 17:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 8 17:56:20 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-06-08-17.00.html | 17:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-06-08-17.00.txt | 17:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-06-08-17.00.log.html | 17:56 |
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| mriedem | #startmeeting nova | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 8 21:00:07 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:00 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:00 |
| dansmith | o/ | 21:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 21:00 |
| gibi | o/ | 21:00 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 21:00 |
| melwitt | o/ | 21:00 |
| dtp_ | oo | 21:00 |
| mikal | . | 21:00 |
| cdent | o/ | 21:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 21:01 |
| efried | /o\ | 21:01 |
| mriedem | alright let's get started | 21:01 |
| mriedem | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 21:01 |
| mriedem | #topic release news | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release news (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:01 | |
| mriedem | #link Pike release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Pike_Release_Schedule | 21:01 |
| mriedem | #info Today is the pike-2 milestone | 21:02 |
| mriedem | i just posted the p-2 tag release request https://review.openstack.org/#/c/472409/ | 21:02 |
| * bauzas waves latey | 21:02 | |
| mriedem | which i know bauzas has been fretting over | 21:02 |
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| bauzas | heh | 21:02 |
| mriedem | #info next upcoming important date: Jul 20: non-client library (oslo, os-vif, os-brick, os-win, os-traits, etc) release freeze | 21:02 |
| mriedem | with feature freeze the week after that | 21:03 |
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| mriedem | so we've got about 6 weeks left | 21:03 |
| mriedem | #info Blueprints: 74 targeted, 69 approved, 18 completed, 4 not started | 21:03 |
| mriedem | we're approving a couple of blueprints per week at this rate | 21:03 |
| mriedem | the smaller ones | 21:03 |
| mriedem | #info Blueprints which are blocked, not started or do not have an owner after the p-2 milestone will likely be deferred to Queens. | 21:03 |
| mriedem | questions about the release? | 21:04 |
| mriedem | #topic bugs | 21:04 |
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| mriedem | nothing listed as critical | 21:04 |
| mriedem | #help Need help with bug triage; there are 79 (down 14 from last week) new untriaged bugs as of today (June 8). | 21:04 |
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| mriedem | good news there is we're trending down in untriaged bugs week to week | 21:04 |
| mriedem | getting back to that more manageable ~75 range :) | 21:05 |
| bauzas | I have more time for that :) | 21:05 |
| mriedem | gate status has been okish | 21:05 |
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| mriedem | top issue right now is probably http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html#1696125 | 21:05 |
| mriedem | that doesn't hit nova since we don't run the linuxbridge job, | 21:05 |
| mriedem | but it's kind of crippling neutron | 21:05 |
| mriedem | i've got a debug patch up to try and figure some of it out | 21:06 |
| mriedem | but could use help | 21:06 |
| mriedem | i don't have any news about 3rd part yci | 21:06 |
| mriedem | *party ci | 21:06 |
| mriedem | vmware is still off in the weeds i think, not sure about xen | 21:07 |
| mriedem | anything for bugs? | 21:07 |
| mriedem | #topic reminders | 21:07 |
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| mriedem | #link Pike Review Priorities etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pike-nova-priorities-tracking | 21:07 |
| mriedem | #topic stable branch status | 21:07 |
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| mriedem | #link stable/ocata: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/ocata,n,z | 21:07 |
| mriedem | #link stable/newton: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/newton,n,z | 21:08 |
| mriedem | we have a lot open there, | 21:08 |
| mriedem | and we just recently did a release on both, but i feel like we've got some other high severity backports merged lately that aren't yet released | 21:08 |
| mriedem | #topic subteam highlights | 21:08 |
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| mriedem | dansmith: i know there was no cells v2 meeting this week, but did you want to call out anything? | 21:09 |
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| dansmith | not really | 21:09 |
| mriedem | boo | 21:09 |
| mriedem | but alright | 21:09 |
| mriedem | edleafe: scheduler? | 21:09 |
| edleafe | Went over some current reviews - nothing to controversial | 21:09 |
| edleafe | Most of the discussion was about how to claim against nested and/or shared providers. | 21:09 |
| edleafe | Currently scheduler only has the compute node uuid, but some of the actual resource providers will be different in those cases. | 21:09 |
| edleafe | Two widely different approaches came up, and were discussed until the end of the meeting and then further in a hangout. | 21:09 |
| edleafe | The matter is still unresolved, and is being discussed in a ML thread starting with http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-June/117913.html | 21:10 |
| edleafe | EOM | 21:10 |
| mriedem | i saw jaypipes also has a spec up | 21:10 |
| mriedem | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/471927/ | 21:10 |
| edleafe | Yeah - a bit premature IMO, but whatever | 21:10 |
| * dansmith sighs | 21:10 | |
| * edleafe there theres dansmith | 21:11 | |
| mriedem | ok i still need to digest all of this, | 21:11 |
| mriedem | i've been more off in cells v2 land which is oddly comfortable at this point | 21:11 |
| mriedem | i'll find any excuse not to have to be involved in the schedluer stuff :) | 21:11 |
| mriedem | there was no api meeting | 21:12 |
| mriedem | alex has a spec up for fixing server groups / members quota in the quota classes api | 21:12 |
| mriedem | need to circle back on that | 21:12 |
| mriedem | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468619/ | 21:12 |
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| mriedem | gibi is probably not around | 21:12 |
| mriedem | but there was a notifications meeting | 21:13 |
| mriedem | he and i | 21:13 |
| gibi | Im here >D | 21:13 |
| gibi | :D | 21:13 |
| mriedem | oh wow | 21:13 |
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| mriedem | anything you want to mention? | 21:13 |
| gibi | plenty of tranformation patches are waiting for core review | 21:13 |
| gibi | the searchlight related patches still needs some care from me but mostly ready | 21:13 |
| gibi | and we agreed the way forward on bug | 21:14 |
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| mriedem | the nova-api binary one? | 21:14 |
| gibi | yeah | 21:14 |
| mriedem | ok | 21:14 |
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| gibi | I cannot copy here for some reason | 21:14 |
| gibi | 1696152 | 21:14 |
| mriedem | bug 1696152 | 21:14 |
| openstack | bug 1696152 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "nova notifications use nova-api as binary name instead of nova-osapi_compute" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1696152 | 21:14 |
| mriedem | let the bot do the work | 21:15 |
| gibi | so we wont change the binary name | 21:15 |
| gibi | in the notifications | 21:15 |
| gibi | that was all | 21:15 |
| mriedem | thanks gibi | 21:15 |
| mriedem | for cinder/nova stuff, meeting was today | 21:15 |
| mriedem | client-side microversion changes are merged (thanks!), now working on live migration, swap volume and attach flows; need to close on swap volume soon | 21:15 |
| mriedem | stvnoyes is close on live migration working | 21:15 |
| mriedem | jgriffith has a poc for new attach flow | 21:15 |
| mriedem | the sticky thing right now is swap volume | 21:16 |
| mriedem | jgriffith, cinder et al are going to write something up to the ML to state the problem and possible solutions | 21:16 |
| mriedem | fire is, unfortunately, not an option | 21:16 |
| mriedem | #topic stuck reviews | 21:17 |
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| mriedem | nothing on the agenda | 21:17 |
| mriedem | anything anyone needs to bring up here? | 21:17 |
| mriedem | #topic open discussion | 21:17 |
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| mriedem | lbragstad: Feedback on policy approach | 21:17 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 21:17 |
| lbragstad | we've had a bunch of policy discussion recently and the result has been a collection of specs | 21:17 |
| lbragstad | since the approach is going to affect the majority of projects, we want to make sure we get feedback before going off and just doing a bunch of stuff | 21:18 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/460344/ attempts to capture the overall policy needs we're not getting today | 21:18 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/462733/ attempts to detail a roadmap in the interest of security | 21:18 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/464763/ introduces a concept of global roles | 21:18 |
| lbragstad | the second and third links detail work the is going to impact consuming projects | 21:19 |
| lbragstad | i'm taking time this week to meet with projects and get feedback on what we've come up with | 21:19 |
| lbragstad | johnthetubaguy: has been driving a bunch of this, too | 21:19 |
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| mriedem | ok | 21:20 |
| lbragstad | if anyone has particular questions, please don't hesitate to come find me | 21:20 |
| mriedem | i haven't looked at any of it | 21:20 |
| lbragstad | it's not the most exciting stuff in the world ;) | 21:21 |
| mriedem | well, it's also 2/3 of the way through pike | 21:21 |
| mriedem | and we're way behind on major stuff we've already got planned | 21:21 |
| lbragstad | mriedem: yeah - everything we're considering now is going to be staged for queens | 21:21 |
| mriedem | i realize this is prepping for queens | 21:21 |
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| mriedem | i'd think any major decisions are going to be finalized at the ptg | 21:22 |
| lbragstad | ++ | 21:22 |
| mriedem | lbragstad: are ops / user community groups/people providing feedback? | 21:22 |
| lbragstad | mriedem: yeah - let me grab a link | 21:22 |
| lbragstad | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-May/117419.html | 21:22 |
| lbragstad | i started that thread in an attempt to get feedback from operators | 21:23 |
| lbragstad | i sent an update today with the current direction based on the comments collected there | 21:23 |
| mriedem | ok | 21:23 |
| lbragstad | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-June/118047.html | 21:24 |
| lbragstad | but since this is going to impact a lot of project, i want to make sure we get as much feedback as possible beforehand | 21:24 |
| mriedem | ok, but you guys aren't planning on landing major changes in keystone in pike are you? | 21:24 |
| lbragstad | mriedem: no - we don't have the bandwidth to do anything major this release | 21:25 |
| mriedem | ok | 21:25 |
| lbragstad | but i did want to get this in front of other groups early | 21:25 |
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| lbragstad | so that it didn't come as a surprise in a couple months | 21:25 |
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| mriedem | alright | 21:26 |
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| mriedem | anything else? | 21:26 |
| lbragstad | nope - that does it for me, thanks! | 21:26 |
| mriedem | anyone else have anything here? | 21:26 |
| * cdent wants a pony | 21:26 | |
| mriedem | denied | 21:26 |
| * cdent cries | 21:27 | |
| mriedem | ok that's it then | 21:27 |
| mriedem | thanks everyone | 21:27 |
| mriedem | #endmeeting | 21:27 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 8 21:27:08 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:27 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-06-08-21.00.html | 21:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-06-08-21.00.txt | 21:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-06-08-21.00.log.html | 21:27 |
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| kevinbenton | hi | 22:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 22:00 |
| kevinbenton | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 22:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 8 22:01:21 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kevinbenton. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 22:01 |
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| ihrachys | o/ | 22:01 |
| kevinbenton | armax, amotoki_away: ping | 22:01 |
| kevinbenton | presumably amotoki is indeed away :) | 22:01 |
| mlavalle | indeed.... LOL | 22:02 |
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| kevinbenton | armax told me he might not be able to make it today | 22:02 |
| ihrachys | heh | 22:02 |
| ihrachys | 3/5? | 22:02 |
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| kevinbenton | yeah, i suppose we can go through a few things | 22:03 |
| kevinbenton | one i want to talk about is the l2 extension manager | 22:03 |
| ihrachys | what's there? people showed up and drive the work? | 22:03 |
| kevinbenton | so it sounds like Thomas is willing to be approver | 22:04 |
| ihrachys | I lost the context since all fire drills that never end | 22:04 |
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| kevinbenton | and David is willing to write the code | 22:04 |
| kevinbenton | i'm looking for spec now | 22:04 |
| mlavalle | davidsha? | 22:04 |
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| kevinbenton | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320439/ | 22:05 |
| ihrachys | ok then let them? I believe the initial implementation doesn't imply that everything should switch to the new way in one go, so we can consider it experimental and play with it. | 22:05 |
| kevinbenton | mlavalle: yep | 22:05 |
| kevinbenton | mlavalle: can you take a look through that spec so you're familiar with it? | 22:05 |
| kevinbenton | mlavalle: and give +2 if it looks good | 22:06 |
| kevinbenton | i' | 22:06 |
| kevinbenton | will go through it as well | 22:06 |
| kevinbenton | and that will give us enough to approve | 22:06 |
| kevinbenton | and let them go on their way | 22:06 |
| mlavalle | I was about to propose to review it | 22:06 |
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| mlavalle | yes, I will look at it tomorrow | 22:06 |
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| kevinbenton | ok | 22:06 |
| mlavalle | is that ok? | 22:06 |
| kevinbenton | yep | 22:07 |
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| mlavalle | added to my pile | 22:07 |
| kevinbenton | ok | 22:08 |
| kevinbenton | shall we take a look at a few RFE's? | 22:08 |
| mlavalle | yeah | 22:08 |
| kevinbenton | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=Triaged&field.tag=rfe | 22:09 |
| kevinbenton | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1649417 | 22:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1649417 in neutron "RFE: Security group rule using address set" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Dongcan Ye (hellochosen) | 22:09 |
| mlavalle | I thought it is a sensible use case | 22:09 |
| ihrachys | I *think* it was once proposed in the past | 22:09 |
| ihrachys | I think ~Barcelona | 22:10 |
| kevinbenton | i was thinking we might not even need to change the SG API itself | 22:10 |
| ihrachys | there was a guy (I don't remember the name) who pitched the idea | 22:10 |
| kevinbenton | we can overload remote_group_id | 22:10 |
| kevinbenton | to reference either a new set thingyt | 22:10 |
| kevinbenton | or security group | 22:10 |
| mlavalle | so it becomes only adapting the pipes | 22:11 |
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| kevinbenton | yeah | 22:11 |
| kevinbenton | and a separate api to create AddressSets | 22:11 |
| ihrachys | so remote group will point to a new compound resource and the latter will point to set of SGs? | 22:11 |
| ihrachys | I mean, set of addresses | 22:12 |
| kevinbenton | so remote_group will either be an AddressSet or a SecurityGroup | 22:12 |
| kevinbenton | is what i was thinking | 22:12 |
| ihrachys | so consider this: a user not knowing about overloading fetches SG, looks at remote group, fetches it via SG API and gets 404 | 22:13 |
| kevinbenton | yeah | 22:13 |
| kevinbenton | that's the downside | 22:13 |
| ihrachys | that's a blocker I would say no? | 22:13 |
| kevinbenton | Another option may be to allow address sets to associate with a security group | 22:13 |
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| kevinbenton | then for remote_group_id they still reference a security group | 22:14 |
| kevinbenton | and that includes all of the sets associated with that group | 22:14 |
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| kevinbenton | I want to avoid adding a new thing to the rules themselves | 22:15 |
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| ihrachys | that may ofc raise some eyebrows like - I have my SG rules blocking all but X and Y, but I can access Z too | 22:15 |
| ihrachys | but that's a downside of any new api | 22:15 |
| kevinbenton | there is something else here | 22:15 |
| kevinbenton | this already sort of works with allowed address pairs | 22:16 |
| kevinbenton | a little unknown feature is that security groups allows all addresses in members allowed address pairs | 22:16 |
| kevinbenton | that may actually solve this use case | 22:16 |
| kevinbenton | create a dummy port for your external stuff | 22:16 |
| kevinbenton | add each IP into the allowed_address_pairs entries | 22:17 |
| mlavalle | let's propose that to the submitter in the RFE, let's see his feedback | 22:18 |
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| ihrachys | + | 22:19 |
| kevinbenton | i will do that right now | 22:19 |
| mlavalle | kevinbenton: do you mind going out of order for one RFE? | 22:19 |
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| kevinbenton | mlavalle: sure | 22:20 |
| kevinbenton | mlavalle: link it now | 22:21 |
| mlavalle | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1682775 | 22:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1682775 in neutron "[RFE] Tag mechanism supports all resouces with standard attribute." [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Hirofumi Ichihara (ichihara-hirofumi) | 22:21 |
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| mlavalle | hichihara already has a patchset in gerrit | 22:21 |
| mlavalle | which I reviewed earlier today | 22:21 |
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| mlavalle | so I thought we migh as well look at the RFE | 22:21 |
| kevinbenton | yeah | 22:21 |
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| kevinbenton | ihrachys: did you have a concern here? | 22:21 |
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| ihrachys | looking | 22:22 |
| kevinbenton | IIUC after briefly looking at the patches this is just extending to include all standard attr resources | 22:22 |
| mlavalle | correct? | 22:22 |
| ihrachys | my concern was about how we define 'all' resources | 22:22 |
| kevinbenton | mlavalle: do you have a patch link handy | 22:22 |
| kevinbenton | maybe i'll just update the title to all standard attribute resources if that's the case | 22:23 |
| ihrachys | we don't have this concept of overarching api extensions covering 'everything' | 22:23 |
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| mlavalle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/460391/ | 22:23 |
| kevinbenton | yeah, this is just standard attr resources | 22:23 |
| kevinbenton | so i'll update rfe title to reflect that | 22:23 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: will that address your concerns? | 22:23 |
| ihrachys | it's not like we have a stable list of those resources either | 22:23 |
| ihrachys | at least not discoverable | 22:24 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: if those resources change then there will be a separate extension that indicates that | 22:24 |
| mlavalle | ihrachys: he tries to address that, hang on | 22:24 |
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| mlavalle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/460391/5/neutron/extensions/tagging.py@42 | 22:25 |
| ihrachys | so what the RFE proposes is to add tags to all resources that atm support stdattrs, and to NOT cover for any resources that may add support for stdattr in the future? | 22:25 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: they would automatically get them in the future | 22:25 |
| ihrachys | then I am good, no controvercy from api discoverability pov | 22:25 |
| mlavalle | yeah, that's what it is doing now | 22:25 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: similar to revision_number and timestamp | 22:25 |
| ihrachys | kevinbenton, and how does api user determine if it's going to be present on resourceA? | 22:26 |
| ihrachys | it would somehow need to know the server version to relate, but we don't have versions. | 22:26 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: resourceA is a new extension, right? | 22:26 |
| kevinbenton | i mean a new resource introduced by an extension | 22:26 |
| ihrachys | let's say ports have stdattrs, but qos don't. you add 'all-tags' extension that indicates that ports have tags; then in next release, you add support for qos. will you add a new extension called 'qos-tags'? | 22:27 |
| kevinbenton | no | 22:27 |
| ihrachys | then it's not discoverable | 22:27 |
| kevinbenton | i don't understand your question | 22:28 |
| kevinbenton | this patch introduces a new extension | 22:28 |
| kevinbenton | that covers all standard attr stuff that exists now | 22:28 |
| kevinbenton | so the only two options left are completely new standard attr resources | 22:28 |
| kevinbenton | and resources that weren't standard attr before | 22:28 |
| kevinbenton | both of those will have a new extension | 22:28 |
| kevinbenton | which is the case before this patch as well | 22:28 |
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| ihrachys | ok, then the proposal doesn't cover 'all stdattr enabled resources' but 'all stdattr resources from Pike' | 22:29 |
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| kevinbenton | all standard attr resources that didn't have tags yet | 22:29 |
| ihrachys | that makes sense. it's not open end, which is not controvercial. | 22:30 |
| kevinbenton | well say we add AddressSets and they are standard attr | 22:30 |
| kevinbenton | they will automatically get tags | 22:30 |
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| ihrachys | new resources are easy | 22:30 |
| kevinbenton | but the address-set extension or whatever we would call it would automatically include tags | 22:30 |
| kevinbenton | ok | 22:31 |
| kevinbenton | so your concern is things that aren't standard attr now that already exist? | 22:31 |
| ihrachys | kevinbenton, so to understand, it won't be possible to implement address-sets without tags? | 22:31 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: if they are standard attr, they automatically get tags | 22:32 |
| mlavalle | if it has standard attributes, no | 22:32 |
| ihrachys | kevinbenton, yes, that's my concern, resourceX that is not there yet. | 22:32 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: so converting resourceX to standard attr should have an extension regardless of this because of revision numbers, timestamps, and descriptions | 22:32 |
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| ihrachys | kevinbenton, that's implementation. I am talking more about api semantics. from neutron api model, you don't get anything automatically, you get it by virtue of attr map loaded into neutron-server. | 22:33 |
| ihrachys | kevinbenton, I think we can discuss those details in review. RFE is fine. maybe wording is not ideal for me, but that's ok | 22:33 |
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| kevinbenton | ihrachys: attr map is derived from standard attr inheritors | 22:33 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: automatically | 22:33 |
| ihrachys | attr map is supposed to be static, it doesn't depend on implementation | 22:34 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/460391/5/neutron/extensions/tagging.py@44 | 22:34 |
| ihrachys | you commit it to neutron-lib and don't touch it | 22:34 |
| ihrachys | kevinbenton, I know the code; remember I was eagerly against it when you pushed it into tree late Newton? | 22:34 |
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| kevinbenton | ihrachys: so why are you suggesting that's not how it works? :) | 22:35 |
| ihrachys | I am saying that's not how it *should* work | 22:35 |
| ihrachys | api doesn't depend on server code, it's contract. | 22:35 |
| ihrachys | *should not* depend | 22:35 |
| kevinbenton | that ship sailed long ago with extensions defined out of tree in code | 22:36 |
| kevinbenton | but i get your point | 22:36 |
| kevinbenton | you can suggest that he statically enumerate them | 22:36 |
| kevinbenton | let's approve RFE and you can provide that feedback in the review | 22:36 |
| ihrachys | kevinbenton, enumerate is what I support; hence my comments on difference between open ended 'all' and closed list. anyhoo, I think we can move. | 22:37 |
| ihrachys | ++ | 22:37 |
| kevinbenton | ok, left a comment | 22:38 |
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| ihrachys | nicely worded, thanks | 22:40 |
| kevinbenton | mlavalle: so patch is good in current approach, basically the only line that needs to change is that one you linked | 22:40 |
| mlavalle | cool | 22:40 |
| kevinbenton | mlavalle: instead of making that function call for getting all standard attrs | 22:40 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: just manually list each resource | 22:41 |
| ihrachys | + | 22:41 |
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| kevinbenton | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1652071 | 22:41 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1652071 in neutron "[RFE] Implement migration from iptables-based security groups to ovsfw" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 22:41 |
| ihrachys | I looked at the abandoned patch, I don't think it's the way to go | 22:41 |
| ihrachys | I suggest we don't explore further in-place switch | 22:41 |
| ihrachys | instead expand on live migration | 22:42 |
| ihrachys | which ofc requires multiple port bindings and nova work | 22:42 |
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| ihrachys | but it's a complete solution for all backends, not a hack | 22:42 |
| kevinbenton | yep | 22:42 |
| kevinbenton | the only downside is that i'm not sure we can switch default | 22:43 |
| kevinbenton | or suggest a default switch | 22:43 |
| kevinbenton | because it's a non-standard upgrade that requires rolling migration | 22:43 |
| ihrachys | I don't think it matters if live migration works. let the market (users) choose where they want to migrate to. maybe it's ovs to linuxbridge ;) | 22:43 |
| kevinbenton | (we have no default, but deployment tools do) | 22:43 |
| kevinbenton | well i was hoping we would have a path to actually dump the hybrid iptables driver | 22:44 |
| kevinbenton | at some point | 22:44 |
| ihrachys | you can always do it. follow deprecation process and remove/push code out of tree | 22:44 |
| ihrachys | I don't think anything stops us if we document the process | 22:44 |
| ihrachys | a release note will ofc be needed | 22:45 |
| kevinbenton | would be the first time we had a breaking upgrade for a node, no? | 22:45 |
| ihrachys | why no | 22:45 |
| ihrachys | let's say a config option changes name | 22:45 |
| ihrachys | we are going to break in 2 cycles | 22:45 |
| ihrachys | 1st cycle we warn, 2nd we remove | 22:45 |
| kevinbenton | they just update the config in response to warnings | 22:45 |
| kevinbenton | there is nothing they can do here to avoid dataplane disruption | 22:46 |
| ihrachys | mitigation will be more involving ofc | 22:46 |
| ihrachys | in theory live migration is not disruptive | 22:46 |
| ihrachys | from instance pov | 22:46 |
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| kevinbenton | do all deployments support live migration? Is that something other project upgrades depend on? | 22:47 |
| ihrachys | well from product pov, RH-OSP upgrade implies live migration of all instances from compute to another node before upgrade. | 22:47 |
| ihrachys | so it should work :) | 22:47 |
| kevinbenton | ok, so you don't even upgrade components with VMs running on them? | 22:48 |
| ihrachys | not to say I want to drag RH into the formula, just saying it works | 22:48 |
| ihrachys | kevinbenton, not for compute | 22:48 |
| ihrachys | for agents procedures should actually be similar but I am not sure we document it that way | 22:48 |
| kevinbenton | well yeah it works, but I'm wondering if other projects force live migration on upgrade | 22:48 |
| kevinbenton | e.g. cinder | 22:49 |
| ihrachys | the reason why we do it this way is because we usually need a reboot for kernel and stuff | 22:49 |
| kevinbenton | makes sense | 22:49 |
| kevinbenton | so the proposed patch i was definitely against | 22:49 |
| ihrachys | well I don't say neutron *forces* it. we can recommend. | 22:49 |
| kevinbenton | well we will force if we deprecate | 22:49 |
| ihrachys | worst case is they just stick to the old driver indefinitely | 22:49 |
| kevinbenton | which i was hoping to do | 22:49 |
| kevinbenton | but for now that doesn't seem feasible | 22:50 |
| kevinbenton | the other option for migration is to leave iptables bridge behind and clear all of it's iptables rules | 22:50 |
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| ihrachys | ok, let's say it this way - mainstream path is live migration, but we can explore in-place if we have time and will after we close the first path. | 22:51 |
| kevinbenton | yeah, i'm for marking this deferred | 22:51 |
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| kevinbenton | then revisit next cycle as people start to move | 22:51 |
| ihrachys | in place should be a thing you pick knowingly, can live out of stadium | 22:51 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: well it could be the new hybriddriver eventually | 22:52 |
| ihrachys | not to mention there are still major issues with the firewall, so it's not time to discuss how we will move everyone to greener pastures ;p | 22:52 |
| kevinbenton | true | 22:52 |
| kevinbenton | :) | 22:52 |
| ihrachys | + for defer/postpone/whatever it's called | 22:53 |
| mlavalle | + | 22:53 |
| kevinbenton | let's try one more | 22:54 |
| kevinbenton | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1653932 | 22:54 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1653932 in neutron "[rfe] network router:external field not exported" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Kevin Benton (kevinbenton) | 22:54 |
| kevinbenton | basically the issue here is that subnets aren't visible on external networks | 22:54 |
| kevinbenton | beyond their IDs in the network body | 22:55 |
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| ihrachys | well that's as designed. unless we introduce shared field for subnets, or a new rbac action for network. is it what's proposed? | 22:56 |
| mlavalle | I think the latter | 22:56 |
| kevinbenton | so subnets has a shared field that is derived from the network's shared field | 22:56 |
| kevinbenton | so we could do the same thing | 22:57 |
| kevinbenton | have a 'router:external' field that derives from parent network | 22:57 |
| ihrachys | inherit access_as_external from network? | 22:57 |
| kevinbenton | let's revisit this | 22:57 |
| kevinbenton | policy engine can do parent lookups | 22:58 |
| kevinbenton | so i need to see if it's possible without adding more fields | 22:58 |
| ihrachys | like policy.json rule change? | 22:58 |
| kevinbenton | https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/d26b96b7a27c8fcd5e99a6494de406436a48339e/etc/policy.json#L6 | 22:58 |
| kevinbenton | so that triggers policy engine to lookup parent network | 22:59 |
| kevinbenton | if we can just make this possible for this guy to write a rule that says (network:router_external=True) or something on get_subnet | 22:59 |
| kevinbenton | then we should be good | 22:59 |
| ihrachys | + | 23:00 |
| ihrachys | time | 23:00 |
| kevinbenton | thanks | 23:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 23:00 |
| bzhao_ | bye | 23:00 |
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| kevinbenton | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-06-08-22.01.html | 23:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-06-08-22.01.log.html | 23:00 |
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