Tuesday, 2017-06-13

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hongbin#startmeeting zun03:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Jun 13 03:00:02 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.03:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.03:00
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hongbin#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zun#Agenda_for_2017-06-13_0300_UTC Today's agenda03:00
hongbin#topic Roll Call03:00
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hongbinthanks for joining the meeting Namrata kevinz03:01
hongbinwill pause for a few more minutes for potential attendees03:01
Namratayeah sure03:02
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mkraiSOrry I am late03:02
hongbinhi mkrai03:02
lakerzhouSorry, I am late03:02
hongbinhi lakerzhou , np at all03:03
hongbinok, let's get started03:03
hongbin#topic Announcements03:03
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hongbini have no announcement03:03
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mkraiI have one03:03
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hongbinmkrai: go ahead03:03
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mkraiClear container runs very  well with Zun. I have tested03:04
kevinz_good news03:04
mkraiSo I am waiting for my patch to be merged in docker-py03:04
Namratamkrai great work !!03:04
lakerzhoumkrai, great news! I planed to try it. Can you share your notes?03:04
mkraiSo we are good to support clear container in zun03:04
mkrailakerzhou: Yes I will do that03:05
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mkraiThank you everyone :)03:05
mkraiThat's all from my side.03:05
hongbinthis is a great new, thanks mkrai03:05
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mkraiMy pleasure :)03:05
hongbinany other announcement from other?03:05
hongbinseems no03:06
hongbin#topic Cinder integration03:06
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hongbin#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/direct-cinder-integration Direct Cinder integration03:06
hongbin#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/cinder-zun-integration Cinder integration via Fuxi03:06
hongbini have the spec up for review for the direct cinder integration03:06
hongbin#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468658/03:06
hongbinwould like your comment on the idea03:07
hongbinfor example, it is a good idea? bad idea03:07
hongbinin addition, i am working on a WIP patch03:07
mkraiOk I will review the spec today. Sorry was not able to see due to some other work.03:07
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hongbinhopefully, will get it done next week, so that you could see what will be implemented03:08
hongbinmkrai: np at all, take your time03:08
kevinz_the same to me. I will review the spec this week:-)03:08
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hongbinfor recap, this bp is for operators who want to try zun service, but don't want the overhead to install yet another serivice (fuxi), so i proposed this idea03:09
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mkraiOk I think I am confused03:09
mkraihongbin: there is one with direct fuxi also. Right?03:10
hongbinmkrai: there will be two volume driver: fuxi, cinder03:10
hongbinmkrai: cinder is not a service, it is a self-contained driver in zun tree03:10
mkraiAnd which one is the above spec?03:11
hongbinmkrai: fuxi is a docker remote plugin for volume03:11
hongbinmkrai: i modified the existing spec to clarify that there will be two drivers03:11
mkraiso that driver calls Cinder for volume?03:11
hongbinmkrai: so the spec is for both03:11
hongbinmkrai: yes03:11
mkraiok and in fuxi driver we directly call Fuxi?03:12
hongbinmkrai: and i believe diga will work on another driver for fuxi, these will be a parallel effort03:12
hongbinfor fuxi driver, will call docker (i.e. docker volume create --driver fuxi ...)03:12
mkraiok got it. Thanks.03:13
hongbinhope everything is clear, feel free to ask for clarification if there is anything is not clear03:13
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hongbinok, i will leave everything to comment on the reviews offline03:14
hongbinnext topic03:14
hongbin#topic Introduce container composition (kevinz)03:14
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hongbin#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437759/ The design spec03:14
hongbin#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zun-container-composition The etherpad03:14
hongbinkevinz: ^^03:14
kevinz_Hi hongbin03:15
hongbinkevinz_: hey, want to drive this topic?03:15
kevinz_Last week the spec has been merged, thanks every one's comments03:15
kevinz_hongbin: of course03:15
kevinz_kevinz_: I have a simple plan for the next step03:16
kevinz_Maybe the first milestone in WIP patch: 1. Python-zunclient abstract the useful yaml file, send it to zun-api03:17
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kevinz_2. Zun-api store the information to database03:17
kevinz_3. Zun-api call zun-compute, create containers inside one sandbox03:17
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hongbinsounds good to me03:17
kevinz_immature plan, need for your comments:-)03:17
kevinz_hongbin: aha, it's good03:18
mkraikevinz_: I have one question03:18
kevinz_mkrai: go ahead03:18
mkraiShould we leave the yaml abstraction to zunclient?03:18
mkraiBecause eventually these clients will be deprecated from OpemStack03:18
kevinz_mkrai: Now plan to leave it in zunclient. But every thing we can discuss03:19
mkraiI think it's better to do this server side itseld03:20
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mkraiOthers, what do you think about this?03:20
kevinz_mkrai: so that the client need to do is just send the yaml to server?03:20
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hongbinfor me, it is hard to tell which one is better for now03:22
mkraithe python clients are optional to any project.03:22
kevinz_I will do some investigation of K8s, whether the yaml abstraction is in kubectl or kube-api03:22
lakerzhouI vote to implement the ymal processing in server. So less overall implementation work.03:23
mkraiIt depends on the users/operator how they want to use the service.03:23
mkraiSo that's why its always good to include all the task in server side. That's my 2 cents :)03:23
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mkraikevinz_: sure03:24
hongbinyes, i agree that this is the approach taken by most of the openstack projects (do heavy lifting in server side)03:24
hongbinit seems like a valid arguement03:24
hongbinbut i will leave it to kevinz to decide03:25
kevinz_hongbin: OK, I will do some DI first before implementation03:25
hongbinkevinz_: thx03:26
hongbinany more comments on this topic?03:26
kevinz_my pleasure03:26
kevinz_No more now, until the persist DB03:26
kevinz_persist infra container in DB03:26
hongbinyes, that would be the next topic03:26
hongbin#topic Persist infra container in DB03:27
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hongbin#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/infra-container-in-db03:27
hongbinthe discussion is in a review, let me find it03:27
hongbin#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/467535/03:27
hongbinthe discussion is about the design of the data model03:28
hongbinthere are two options listed in the whiteboard of hte BP03:28
hongbinoption 1: treat infra container as a normal container and store it in the "container" table03:29
hongbinoption 2: treat infra container as special and store it in a separated table (called sandbox)03:29
hongbinoption 3: treat infra container as part of the capsule, and store it in a "capsule" related table03:30
mkraihongbin: I remember in last discussion, question was what all information is saved for this infra container03:30
hongbini remembered mkrai perference is option 1 if the data model of these two objects are similar03:30
hongbinkevinz perference is option 303:31
mkraiIf we know the fields then answering this question would be simpleter03:31
mkraihongbin: Yes it depends on the info which we want to store03:31
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mkraiOption #3 also sounds reasonable but have some implications03:32
hongbin#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/467535/5/zun/db/sqlalchemy/alembic/versions/4975f1a450ee_init_infra_container_table.py03:32
kevinz_If we "really" plan to use "capsule" to replace "sanbox", I think option 3 is the minimum cost03:32
hongbinit looks shengqin copy all hte fields03:32
mkraihongbin: yes it seems it is same as contaienr table03:33
mkraiI think we don't want to do that03:33
lakerzhouI like option 3 more because it should always go together with capsule I think. Then why not model them together.03:33
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hongbinlakerzhou: ack03:34
mkraii think both option 1 and 3 depending on we create single container or a capsule respectively.03:34
kevinz_If not plan to use "capsule" to replace "sanbox", leave capsule and sandbox separately would be better03:34
hongbinkevinz_: i think "capsule" will replace "sandbox" :)03:35
kevinz_hongbin: Haha, thx03:35
hongbinkevinz_: so option 2 is basically out03:35
mkraihongbin: if that's the case, I vote option #303:36
hongbinmkrai: ack03:36
hongbinkevinz_: one last thing from me is that k8s has designed their data model for pod03:36
hongbinkevinz_: which might be similar to our use cases (capsule)03:37
hongbinwe could take a bit of time to look into the data model of k8s and evaluate it03:37
kevinz_hongbin: yes. I think this is the first thing I need to do03:37
hongbinmkrai: lakerzhou you have further remark on this one?03:38
mkraiNo that's all.03:38
kevinz_hongbin: the rudiment for data model is in the spec. I will implement in the code03:39
lakerzhouno, I don't. don't re-invent the wheel for sure.03:39
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hongbinok, seems it is time to move to the next topic03:39
hongbini wanted to bring up the heat topic, but Namrata just said that she needed to leave03:40
hongbinfyi, she uploaded a revision on the heat side03:40
hongbin#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437810/03:41
hongbinit needs further improvement but it looks quite close03:41
hongbinok, then i am going to bring up the discussion of hte nfv03:41
hongbin#topic NFV use cases03:42
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hongbin#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zun-nfv-use-cases03:42
hongbinlakerzhou: want to drive this one ?03:42
hongbinlakerzhou: wow, i saw you added a lot of content on the etherpad, need to catch it up :)03:42
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hongbinlakerzhou: you have anything want to discuss about the nfv use cases?03:44
lakerzhouSorry, last seconds of NBA final03:44
hongbinok, we could leave it as a homework03:45
hongbinthen, end the meeting now03:45
hongbinall, thanks for joining, enjoy the nba final :)03:45
lakerzhouI need more time for the spec, had good discussion with Hongbin03:45
mkraihongbin:one thing03:45
hongbinmkrai: go ahead03:45
mkraiDo you think we should add the api-ref gate?03:45
hongbinmkrai: i think we should03:46
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mkraiOk thanks03:46
mkraiI will do that03:46
hongbinmkrai: thx03:46
kevinz_thx mkrai:-)03:46
kevinz_btw, I will go to Beijing for OPNFV summit this week. Hope to collect some user case for zun03:46
lakerzhouHongbin, I will update the NFV use cases more, and submit a spec with SR-IOV use case by the end of this week03:46
mkraikevinz_: cool03:47
hongbinkevinz_: that would be great03:47
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hongbinlakerzhou: sounds great03:47
hongbinall, thanks for joining, have a good day03:47
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samPhi all for masakari04:00
samP#startmeeting masakari04:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Jun 13 04:00:21 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is samP. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.04:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.04:00
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samPDinesh_Bhor: hi04:00
samPHi All..o/04:00
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samPlets start04:00
samPsorry for absent last week04:01
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samP#topic Critical Bugs04:01
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samPany bugs to discuss04:01
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Dinesh_BhorNeed opinions about this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468771/2/masakari/engine/drivers/taskflow/host_failure.py04:02
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Dinesh_Bhorcomment by tushar san04:02
samPabout the number of threads?04:03
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samPIn config, its define as, number of cores can be used to run this job, right?04:04
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samPIn that case, IMO, 100 is way too high.04:06
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Dinesh_Bhoryes, agree04:06
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samPI preffer, lower single digit value, (quad core -1) = 3 which will hold for testing evns too04:08
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samPoperator may tune this value upon the spec of the their node where (masakari-engine runs)04:09
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Dinesh_Bhorok, sure. I will make it 304:09
samPAfter all this is an configurable value and default value should work for any possible env...(just my opinion)04:10
samPDinesh_Bhor: thanks, I will comment this..04:10
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Dinesh_BhorsamP: thanks04:11
samPif no more bugs to discuss, lets jump in to Discussion points..04:11
samPDinesh_Bhor: NP04:11
samP#topic Discussion Points04:11
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abhishek_kfor recovery method customization, I have replied to comments from Renant #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/458023/04:13
samPAbout recovery method customization, we have to discuss about Renat's comment,04:13
samPabhishek_k: thanks..04:13
samPIMO, there are some misunderstandigs here..04:14
abhishek_ksamP: could you please help me to understand, IMO in masakari we have certain business rules which will not allow certain api's to be performed. For example in above case we are setting reserved_host to False while notification is in process, but if you try to update the reserved_host using REST API while notification is running then it will raise HTTP Forbidden error.04:15
samPabhishek_k: correct..04:16
samPIMO, we have to levels of tast executions, (1) process the business logics (2) simple recovery tasks04:17
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samP(2) can be offload to mistral, but not (1)04:18
samPs/we have to levels/we have 2 levels/04:19
abhishek_ksamP: (1) is clearly dependent on (2)04:19
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samPabhishek_k: correct, however, if mistral can return values, we could use mistral to execute (2),04:21
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tpatilsamP: need to check if mistral can run the workflow synchronously04:21
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samPtpatil: agree04:21
samPtpatil: isn't that the resone why we prohibit reserved_host API to update while notification is running?04:24
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tpatilsamP: we don't allow host to be updated while notiification is running otherwise nova scheduler will start using host for creating new servers04:27
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samPtpatil: got it.04:28
samPnyway, IMO we sould discuss this in ML, where other people can also participate to the discussion. I will send this mail to [masakari] ML04:29
samP#action samP Send mail to discuss about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/458023/04:29
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samPOther items, Honjo-san proposed spec for "Add event notification feature to masakari"04:31
samP#link Add event notification feature to masakari https://review.openstack.org/#/c/473057/04:31
samPplease review ^^04:31
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abhishek_ksamP: I have seen your comments on documentation patch, I will fix them asap04:32
tpatilsamP: sure04:32
abhishek_ksamP: thank you for review04:32
samPabhishek_k: "Add db purge support" this is from last week discussion, right?04:33
samPabhishek_k: np, thanks04:33
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samPtpatil: thanks04:33
abhishek_ksamP: yes, I have submitted lite-specs for this04:33
abhishek_k#link https://review.openstack.org/47337904:33
samPabhishek_k: great, thanks, I will review this..04:33
abhishek_ksamP: thank you04:34
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samPAnd please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469070/ if you have spare time..04:35
samPI think Owner: Greg is in OPNFV summit at China...04:35
tpatilsamP: Sure04:36
samPSo, we can't expect quick replies for Greg..04:36
samPtpatil: thanks04:36
samPI think no other updates for other pike work items...04:38
samPlets move to AOB,04:38
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samP#topic AOB04:38
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Dinesh_BhorsamP: is RPM and debian packaging thing all done? need to submit patch in global-requirement to add python-masakariclient04:39
samPrpm packaging is done, got some request from Adem for fix the versions and tags..04:39
Dinesh_BhorsamP: ok04:40
Dinesh_Bhorthanks for update04:40
samPI am referring to openstack stack release team documents for how to fulfill those04:40
tpatilsamP so until that is not done, we should hold submitting patch in global-requirements, right?04:41
samPtpatil: right..04:41
tpatilsamP: OK04:41
samPplease wait till I fix the versions...otherwise it will be a mess :)04:42
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tpatilsamP: I got it04:42
Dinesh_Bhorme too04:43
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samPDinesh_Bhor: About the pacemaker config, sorry for the delay and thanks for the replay.. I wil give you more detilas on mail about this.04:45
Dinesh_BhorsamP: OK04:45
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samPabhishek_k: About the testing envs, I saw you raised some issues, are those issues are still vaild?04:46
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abhishek_ksamP: yes04:46
abhishek_ksamP: Please do the needful :)04:46
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samPabhishek_k: OK then, I will check them and come back to you. Can we have this discussion on #openstack-masakari, from 4:00pm JST today?04:48
abhishek_ksamP: sure, please ping me04:48
samPabhishek_k: great...thanks04:49
samPOK, then. AOBs to discuss?04:49
abhishek_ksamP: nothing from our side04:50
samPabhishek_k: thanks..04:50
samPIf no other topis to discuss, lets finish the meeting...04:51
samPThank you all.....04:51
abhishek_kthank you04:51
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openstackMeeting ended Tue Jun 13 04:51:49 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)04:51
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-06-13-04.00.html04:51
Dinesh_Bhorthank you04:51
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-06-13-04.00.txt04:51
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-06-13-04.00.log.html04:51
samPbye... thank you all04:52
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:00
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QimingHi, XueFeng13:07
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Qimingseems guys prefer talking in project channel ...13:12
Qimingreleasing this now13:12
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igordcard#startmeeting network_common_flow_classifier14:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Jun 13 14:00:50 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is igordcard. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
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igordcardhi all14:01
igordcardjust giving 3 minutes to people14:01
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igordcardhi all again14:03
igordcardso let's start14:03
igordcardagenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/CommonClassificationFramework#Discussion_Topic_13_June_201714:03
igordcard#topic Spec status14:03
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igordcard#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33399314:04
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reedip_igordcard : going through it14:05
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igordcardjust some background before diving in, I was able to get rights to the neutron-classifier after talking to kevinbenton14:06
igordcardthat prompted more people to review the spec14:06
igordcardso there are a couple of new comments in the spec that I will address in the next patchset14:06
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igordcardsince davidsha is/was working on the PoC, I've added him to neutron-classifier as well14:07
igordcardand based on that...14:07
igordcard#topic Implementation status14:07
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igordcardnow that we have access to the repo, we can potentially start merging code14:08
igordcardI'd just wait until the existing neutron-classifier members are OK with the spec, and then we can start working on the repo14:09
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igordcardmost of them have moved on, but e.g. sean has commented on the spec14:10
davidshakk, just the update on the implementation, Classifications, Classification Groups and list classification types are done. At the moment I'm looking into the unit tests and then I can submit the code for review.14:10
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igordcarddavidsha: cool, is it a different patch from https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445577/ ?14:11
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davidshaFor the classifications we have ipv4, ipv6, tcp, udp and ethernet. No, that is the patch I'll submit it to.14:12
igordcarddavidsha: alright14:12
davidshaAre there any questions about the implementation people would like to ask?14:14
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igordcarddavidsha: we have to bring the repo to a clean state (i.e. wipe the unused code)14:15
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igordcarddavidsha: we can do that after our changes or before... before makes it a bit clear as to when the CCF changes start I'd say14:16
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igordcarddavidsha: but it's fine either way14:16
davidshaigordcard: true I can rebase over that repo wipe or we can clean up after the patch as a "retirement" of the old library.14:17
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igordcarddavidsha: yeah14:18
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igordcarddavidsha: I'll submit a quick patch with just the cookiecutter stuff to see what happens in the gate14:18
igordcarddavidsha: DNM patch14:18
davidshaCool, add me to it!14:18
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igordcarddavidsha: alright!14:19
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igordcardI don't have anything else.. just going to fix the spec and make that test patch in neutron-classifier14:21
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igordcard#topic Open discussion14:21
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* igordcard looks at bcafarel's coffee14:22
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bcafarelsorry, the CCF does not allow coffee classification :)14:23
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davidshabcafarel: yet*14:24
igordcardregarding the neutron-classifier core team.. me and davidsha are there due to the spec/code authorship, but as people engage in the project and make contributions, of course we will follow the good community habits, and anyone can join the team14:24
igordcardbcafarel: it's all about extensibility14:24
reedip_igordcard : thats a good idea :)14:25
bcafareligordcard: don't forget to add that in the next spec update14:25
reedip_I have been a bit distracted with other projects , but I will pitch in whenever I have some free time14:25
igordcardbcafarel: coffee classification type? OK14:26
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igordcardreedip_: alright, let us know if there's any clear blocekr14:26
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igordcardmany people have shown interest in the ccf over time, so it's a bit hard to manually invite everyone to the next patchsets, as such my recommendation is that you enable neutron-classifier email notifications in gerrit14:27
reedip_igordcard : sure14:27
bcafarelack, will do14:28
igordcardthere won't be too many notifications since this is a small project14:28
reedip_big things start small :P14:28
igordcardreedip_: yes14:29
igordcardalright, bye all14:29
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bcafarelsee ya, waiting to get that cookicutter patch mail :)14:30
davidshaSame, I'll talk to ye!14:30
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yuval#startmeeting karbor15:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Jun 13 15:00:57 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is yuval. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
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yuvaland welcome to karbors weekly meeting15:01
yuvalhey chenying_15:01
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yuvallets wait a few minutes15:02
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yuvalso, nothing on the agenda15:04
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yuval#topic Open Discussion15:04
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yuvalchenying_: anything?15:05
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chenying_hi yuval Have you see the tc irc meeting? This topic Moving away from weekly meetings (ttx, 20:38:04)15:05
chenying_How about changing karbor irc meeting to every two week.15:06
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yuvalsounds good15:09
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yuvallet's just verify that in the next meeting (which will be the one to stay) with the other contributors15:10
yuvaland cores15:10
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yuvalanything else?15:10
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yuvalalright, good night15:11
chenying_Fix "global name 'blacklist' is not defined" bug. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/473703/ Seems that this patch has not fix the isuue.15:11
yuvalseems so15:12
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yuvaldhellmann is on that (see in #openstack-release)15:12
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yuvalalright, good night :)15:13
chenying_good night :)15:13
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lbragstad#startmeeting keystone18:00
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lbragstadping ayoung, breton, cmurphy, dstanek, edmondsw, gagehugo, henrynash, hrybacki, knikolla, lamt, lbragstad, lwanderley, notmorgan, rderose, rodrigods, samueldmq, spilla, aselius18:00
lbragstad#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting18:00
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lbragstadpretty short agenda today - so we might get some time back :)18:01
lbragstad#topic announcements18:01
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lbragstad#info focus should be on feature development and large changes18:01
lbragstadsince we past pike-2, we should be focusing on finishing up large changes we want to deliver this release18:02
lbragstadif you're struggling or need help delivering something, please reach out18:02
lbragstadin addition to that - the number of bugs opened against keystone has been growing18:03
lbragstadat the start of the pike release, we were in the 90s18:03
lbragstadnow we're up to 12518:03
lbragstaddstanek: was doing a lot of great work to keep the number manageable18:04
lbragstadespecially with bug day friday's18:04
lbragstadi want to call attention to it and see if anyone is going to be around this friday and wants to keep doing that work18:04
lbragstador if we have someone who'd like to step up into the bug czar role18:04
* knikolla volunteers18:05
lbragstadknikolla: awesome - that'd be awesome18:05
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cmurphyi won't be here this friday but I can commit to dedicating some time on future fridays18:05
lbragstadcmurphy: ++18:05
lbragstadwe were pretty good about organizing those during the end of ocata going into pike18:06
lbragstadit would be nice to try and get back into that groove18:06
nishaYadavI can try fixing some, starting tomorrow infact18:07
lbragstadi'd also love to hear ideas for ways we can make that whole experience easier18:07
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lbragstadnishaYadav: ++18:07
nishaYadavI would ping regarding the doubts, on the channel :)18:07
lbragstadfor me, I personally find it tough to organize work on fridays18:07
lbragstadi think "bug work" is a very nebulous term18:08
lbragstadand open to interpretation18:08
gagehugobut we can try to get back into it18:08
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lbragstadi wouldn't be opposed to spending 30 minutes every friday coming up with a list of goals we want to accomplish18:08
lbragstadthen we have something to work towards as a group18:09
* lbragstad shrugs18:09
hrybackilbragstad: I can help on Friday18:09
lbragstadhrybacki: sweet!18:09
lbragstaddoes anyone else have that same feeling when participating in bug days?18:09
knikollamore organization and communication is good18:10
lbragstadi think so too, but any feedback is good18:10
lbragstadi kind of lean towards focusing efforts on a few things instead of a bunch of things18:10
* hrybacki agrees18:11
lbragstadi'm hoping something like this might result in more breakout work too18:11
lbragstadif gagehugo and i split off to work on a specific bug, then cmurphy hrybacki and knikolla spin off to work on something else, etc...18:11
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lbragstadeither way - it'd be great to try out a couple of things and see how they work, then integrate it into every friday18:12
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lbragstadI think that'd be a great pattern to establish and smooth out before we hit pike-3, which would be great because we'll be in bug-only mode anyway18:13
knikollasounds good18:13
lbragstadif you have ideas, ping me, i'd be happy to listen18:13
lbragstadknikolla: wanna sync in -keystone after the meeting about bug czar?18:14
samueldmqlbragstad: just to make it a bit clearer18:14
samueldmqconfirming bugs, triaging, fixing, reviewing18:14
samueldmqthose are all welcome, correct?18:14
lbragstadsamueldmq: ++18:14
knikollalbragstad: thumbs up18:14
lbragstadsamueldmq: right - any bug work is valuable, so long as we understand what each process is and how to do it18:15
lbragstadif we end up with two people wanting to be bug czars, then i'd expect those two people to have pretty tight communication in the process18:15
lbragstadwhich i think is important for people consuming the bug work (e.g. opening the bugs)18:15
hrybackibug czar?18:16
gagehugoczar of all bugs?18:16
lbragstadhrybacki: gagehugo yeah - it was a term that was introduced in an attempt to scale the PTL position18:16
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lbragstadin the early days, much of that work fell on the PTL18:16
lbragstadand it still does18:16
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lbragstadone of the scaling efforts was for the PTL to delegate some of that work to an individual that specialized in bugs for the project18:17
* hrybacki nods 18:17
lbragstad(triaging, reporting, cleaning up, tracking, etc.)18:17
hrybackiokay, thank you :)18:17
knikollai wouldn't mind more responsibilities18:17
lbragstadwe can sync in -keystone after for folks who are interested18:18
lbragstadit's a rewarding experience18:18
lbragstad#topic tempest plugin is split out18:18
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lbragstadcmurphy: o/18:18
cmurphyone of the queens goals was to split tempest plugins into their own repo18:18
cmurphyand we are already on top of it18:18
cmurphy#link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/keystone-tempest-plugin18:18
* lbragstad high-fives cmurphy18:19
cmurphythe project-config change just merged to make our jobs use the split out plugin18:19
cmurphyso in a few minutes i'll recheck https://review.openstack.org/#/c/471060/ to make sure everything is good18:19
patchbotpatch 471060 - keystone - Remove the local tempest plugin18:19
cmurphyso please propose tempest plugin changes to the new repo and please add the repo to your review watch list18:19
* cmurphy done18:19
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lbragstadcmurphy: thanks for all your work here18:20
lbragstadcmurphy: when that's done, i'll propose a patch to governance updating our artifacts for the change18:20
lbragstad#topic docs reorganization18:21
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lbragstadsamueldmq: sjain_ o/18:21
samueldmqsjain_: want to explain the ideas?18:21
sjain_We are planning to reorganise the keystone documentation into three parts, developer, user and operator docs. Since it directly affects the whole docs directory and is a major change, we would like to discuss the idea.18:22
samueldmq#link https://docs.openstack.org/developer/keystone/18:22
sjain_the change is mostly based on this doc developed by Alex from doc team, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/472275/3/specs/pike/os-manuals-migration.rst18:22
patchbotpatch 472275 - docs-specs - Adds spec for migrating the documentation suite to...18:22
lbragstadsjain_: awesome - i'm happy to see we're ahead of the curve there18:23
sjain_thanks lbragstad18:23
sjain_what do You think about this change?18:24
lbragstadsjain_: are all the project action items detailed in that spec covered by the reorg?18:24
sjain_currently I have made this list for reorganisation, https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Gh1ai0p4zBbAHI660pwUFvaO7iinUDZAbNmmUmYjS70/edit?usp=sharing18:24
sjain_more items need to be added18:24
sjain_The spec covers some docs that need to be migrated from openstack-manuals also18:25
lbragstadoh - cool18:25
sjain_I have covered those too in this link ^^18:25
lbragstadsjain_: ok - which isn't included in your changes is it?18:25
sjain_currently not18:26
samueldmqsjain_ started that too18:26
samueldmq#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469515/18:26
patchbotpatch 469515 - keystone - Added keystone admin guides to documentation18:26
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samueldmqthis does the migration for the admin guides18:26
lbragstadoh - nice18:27
samueldmqwe might want to keep everything in the same topic so it'll be easier to review/keep track of18:27
lbragstadsjain_: samueldmq ++18:27
lbragstadi agree18:27
sjain_in total I found 4 subdirectories in openstack-manuals which need to be shifted18:27
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lbragstadsjain_: cool18:29
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lbragstadsjain_: i think this is really good - i couldn't agree more with the direction asettle laid out18:29
samueldmqlbragstad: ++18:29
lbragstadanything we can do to help make that a reality, I'm on board18:29
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lbragstadnot to mention, i've always wanted to have more consistency in the docs we keep in tree18:30
sjain_yes, I'll try to come up with some initial patches, lets see how it comes up18:30
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lbragstadsjain_: sounds good - keep us posted and let us know if you need anything18:30
sjain_sure, thanks :)18:30
lbragstadlooks like there are some reviews up that i need to go look at18:30
lbragstadsjain_: samueldmq anything else?18:30
sjain_lbragstad ++18:31
samueldmqsjain_ covered everything :)18:31
lbragstadgood deal18:31
sjain_what about the change in docs theme?18:31
lbragstadsjain_: ?18:31
lbragstadsjain_: as in should we do it?18:32
sjain_Yeah, here, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/466066/18:32
patchbotpatch 466066 - keystone - Updated the keystone docs to follow the docs theme18:32
sjain_I updated this theme and this is left in open discussion18:32
sjain_yes whether we should do it18:32
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sjain_and if we do, for now what should be the table of contents18:32
samueldmqI guess there is a general consensus that we want it, it looks just nice :)18:33
lbragstadi'm all for the new theme so long as the information is still discoverable18:33
samueldmqfor the toc think I guess people would need to go to the review and look at it, and the comments18:33
samueldmqlbragstad: ++18:33
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lbragstadi can do that this week18:33
* lbragstad makes a note18:34
nishaYadavsamueldmq, ++18:34
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sjain_sounds good samueldmq18:34
lbragstadtaking a quick look through the comments, it doesn't look like any of them are hard NOs to the proposal18:35
lbragstadwe just might need to refactor some of the documentation to fit the new layout18:35
nishaYadavthanks lbragstad, there are some comments which haven't been resolved yet18:35
sjain_yes there are toctree related comments which need to be addressed18:36
nishaYadavlbragstad, like there are contrary views, would be great if we could have a decision over them, over the comment section or in a meetting next week18:36
sjain_nishaYadav ++18:36
lbragstadnishaYadav: yeah - that sounds good, let's make a point to get that on the agenda for next week so we don't forget about it18:36
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lbragstadif we come to consensus early, we can remove it18:37
nishaYadavlbragstad, sure, will do that.18:37
lbragstadanything else docs-wise?18:37
sjain_nopes that would be all :)18:37
lbragstad#topic open discussion18:37
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lbragstadfloor is open18:38
gagehugoptg tickets are up for buying18:38
gagehugoI think an email went out last week18:38
lbragstadhuh - i only have a save the date18:38
lbragstad#link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/project-teams-gathering-denver-2017-tickets-3321938908718:39
knikolla500 tickets on sale18:39
gagehugohotel blocks are in the email18:40
gagehugolooks like the discounted ones from the foundation are the cheapest for that hotel18:40
lbragstadfyi - there is a channel for all ptg related topic18:42
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knikollatoo soon to plan an agenda for keystone?18:43
lbragstadknikolla: nope - we can start doing that18:43
lbragstadwe can start collecting a bunch of topics and organize them into buckets18:44
lbragstadbut i wouldn't expect to formalize a schedule until August, so we should remain flexible until then18:44
lbragstadi don't expect cross-project threads for PTG sessions to start popping up for a few weeks18:44
lbragstadand those topics are typically the ones we plan the rest of everything else around18:45
lbragstad(or at least that's what i did for atlanta)18:45
lbragstadi think we're still a little early in the planning phase, but that's ok18:46
lbragstadanyone have anything else?18:47
* nishaYadav is wondering if she can see the details/summary of the last ptg, something similar to the summit videos for those who missed it(ptg) 18:47
lbragstadnishaYadav: well - we didn't have any video recordings18:47
lbragstadnishaYadav: but i attempted to put together a summary https://www.lbragstad.com/blog/keystone-pike-ptg-summary18:47
nishaYadavlbragstad, oh, thanks for the article, on it :D18:48
lbragstadnishaYadav: no problem18:48
lbragstadanything else?18:48
lbragstadcool - thanks for coming everyone!18:49
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fungihello infra team!19:00
fungithis week we have action items assigned to and topics proposed by clarkb, fungi and ianw19:00
fungino general topics on the agenda, so this may be a relatively short meeting19:00
* mordred waves at humans19:00
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fungi#startmeeting infra19:02
openstackMeeting started Tue Jun 13 19:02:31 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'infra'19:02
fungi#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting19:02
fungi#topic Announcements19:02
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fungi#info If you want to meet in person, registration for the PTG is now *OPEN*.19:02
fungi#link https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ PTG September 11-15 in Denver, CO, USA19:02
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fungias always, feel free to hit me up with announcements you want included in future meetings19:03
fungi#topic Actions from last meeting19:03
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fungi#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-06-06-19.03.html19:03
fungifungi [lots of specs-related followup and cleanup]19:03
fungi#link https://review.openstack.org/471948 Clean up implemented specs19:03
patchbotpatch 471948 - openstack-infra/infra-specs - Clean up implemented specs19:03
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fungiianw abandon pholio spec and send announcement about discontinuing the (unused) service19:05
fungi#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-June/118275.html shutting down pholio.openstack.org19:05
ianwhaven't shut it down yet, but will19:06
fungii don't see a spec change yet to move that one to abandoned either19:06
fungi#action ianw abandon pholio spec and shut down pholio.openstack.org server19:06
fungithanks for writing that up!19:06
ianwyep, will do19:06
fungiclarkb finish writing up an upgrade doc for gerrit 2.11 to 2.1319:06
fungii think you said you were planning to dig into it later this week?19:06
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clarkbya, I've run into the performance issues in the gate and have been trying totrack those down19:07
clarkbso haven't had time to work through gerrit upgrade process yet19:07
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clarkbgoal is to get the gerrit plan written down in the next couple days19:07
fungicool. they're both important19:07
fungi#action clarkb finish writing up an upgrade doc for gerrit 2.11 to 2.1319:07
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fungi#topic Specs approval - PROPOSED: PTG Bot (fungi)19:08
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fungi#link https://review.openstack.org/473582 "PTG Bot" spec proposal19:08
fungifairly straightforward (i hope), presumably many of you saw the discussion on the ml about running this19:08
fungiif not, it's linked in the spec19:08
fungiif you voted on this earlier, i just pushed up a new patchset a few minutes ago to address some clarification jeblair requested19:09
fungiif you haven't seen it yet, it's a quick read19:09
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fungione thing maybe worth noting about the bot itself is that it's written for python 3, though looking through the puppet-statusbot module which i was intending to pattern it after, nothing really jumped out at me as being a challenge for installing/running it under python319:11
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fungiits python deps are a subset of statusbot's, but we'll just end up with two copies of them (one in the python2.7 import path, and one in the python3.4 import path on the server)19:12
fungiwe already seem to be satisfying those from pypi, therefore i don't think we need to do anything different besides yse pip3 or python3 -m pip in place of the normal pip exec we have for statusbot19:13
fungianybody have any concerns before i set a deadline for council voting? since i only uploaded it this week, i was thinking of a week from thursday as the cutoff19:15
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* fungi takes your collective silence as a deafening tacit approval ;)19:16
fungi#info Council voting is open for the "PTG Bot" spec proposal until 19:00 UTC on Thursday, June 22.19:16
fungiany questions at all about this before we move on?19:16
fungi#topic Priority Efforts19:17
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funginothing called out specifically here for this week19:17
fungi#topic Open discussion19:17
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fungii just refreshed the agenda and, still seeing no general topics proposed, it's open discussion19:18
cmurphyi went through a bunch of the puppet modules and fixed the beaker jobs, would appreciate reviews https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:%22%255Eopenstack-infra/.*%2524%22+topic:fix-beaker19:18
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ianychoiFrom I18n team, I would like to say19:18
ianychoi- Please review a infra-spec modification: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/440825/19:18
ianychoi- I am considering one more Zanata upgrade before Zanata uses Java 9 and/or Wildfly 11 :)19:18
ianychoi- Can I ask the progress of the database modification for translate-dev.o.o to support openstackid-dev?19:18
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cmurphyif they're not all green and the end of the patch stack isn't green please don't merge broken things19:18
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fungicmurphy: 61 changes! wow. and they're all passing19:19
cmurphyclarkb: you might be interested in this one specifically https://review.openstack.org/#/c/461806/19:19
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clarkbianychoi: for the auth I think we are still waiting on openstackid-dev updating how you change your password?19:20
cmurphyfungi: they're not though, because the ubuntu beaker jobs are all nonvoting19:20
clarkbianychoi: I think last I heard it was still not quite useable?19:20
cmurphybut, the end of each stack should be green19:20
fungicmurphy: oh, hah right :/19:20
fungicmurphy: that's awesome work, thanks!19:20
ianychoiclarkb, the passwords were changed the time we discussed :)19:20
clarkbianychoi: yes, but users need to be able to change their own passwords too19:20
clarkbianychoi: and that piece is/was still missing I think19:21
clarkbcmurphy: I've pulled it up and will review after lunch19:21
fungitest again, i'm pretty sure smarcet said that was fixed (or nearly so) last week19:21
ianychoiaha really yep the password link needed basic auth but now it does not require basic auth19:22
fungiwe merged a change to point the password reset at the dev site and he undid the basic auth blocking public access to that and, i think, also confirmed e-mail sending is working19:22
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ianychoiFor merging a spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/440825/ , which things might I do further?19:25
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fungiianychoi: i've added it to my personal priority list to review that one. assuming nobody points out any substantial concerns in it i'll propose it for an official rollcall next week. how does that sound?19:27
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ianychoifungi, sounds great! Thanks a lot19:27
ianwcmurphy: the "Update beaker setup for xenial" is boilerplate?19:27
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fungi#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:%22%255Eopenstack-infra/.*%2524%22+topic:fix-beaker cmurphy's changes to fix beaker jobs on our puppet modules19:28
fungi#link https://review.openstack.org/440825 New spec for translation_check_site (Ansible AIO)19:28
ianwso rather than port everything to 4, the approach is more to install puppetlabs v3?19:28
cmurphyianw: most of them are boilerplate...i just clicked on a random one and it has extra changes in it, so i'll double check19:29
cmurphyianw: i wanted to get everything working and voting on puppet 3 which we're still using before taking the next step to start testing on puppet 419:29
cmurphyso we can start from square 019:30
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fungiseems like a reasonable approach19:30
ianwsure, i'm just thinking if we broadly agree on that here we and it's mostly xenial only boilerplate we can get that in quickly19:31
ianwand turn it to voting to stop regression?19:31
fungithat's my hope19:31
fungii don't want these to linger or they'll bitrot quickly (between merge conflicts and new regressions)19:32
ianware you allowed/able to mirror puppetlabs repo?19:32
cmurphymirror the puppetlabs puppet modules from github?19:33
cmurphyi don't see why not19:33
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ianwi meant the v3 packages more19:33
cmurphyoh right19:33
cmurphyagain i don't see why not19:33
cmurphybut they don't have puppet 3 packages for xenial19:34
cmurphyso the current proposal is to get them from the distro repos which we do already mirror19:34
cmurphydefinitely worth talking about for puppet 4 though19:34
fungipuppet 3.8.5-2ubuntu0.1 is currently in ubuntu xenial-updates19:35
fungidoesn't look like puppet 4.x was introduced into an ubuntu release until yakkety (16.10)19:36
mordredso in some ways we could choose to not worry about puppet 4 until we move servers to post-xenial19:36
ianwcmurphy: oh, heh, yeah i was parsing your comment in the change backwards, makes sense19:36
mordredI mean, we should fix stuff19:37
fungi18.04 will presumably have puppet >= 4.8.2 since that's what's presently slated for 17.1019:37
mordredjust saying - if we move our own deployments to use distro packages of puppet for puppet3, we can keep doing thatuntil we have an 18.04 server should we choose19:37
fungifixing sooner would be good, but we'll need to have stuff working on puppet 4 before we can move to the next lts for sure19:37
cmurphymordred: sure but there are other benefits to switching over19:37
mordredcmurphy: cool19:37
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fungioh, i missed this in the action items (and haven't done it yet!):19:39
fungi#action fungi start an infra ml thread about puppet 4, beaker jobs and the future of infra configuration management19:39
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ianwso we should turn these jobs voting, and add 4 jobs even if failing?19:39
ianwheh, or discuss in ^^19:39
fungidefinitely on #1, probably on #219:39
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cmurphyi haven't gone through every module so not all of them will pass on puppet 3 yet19:39
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cmurphyif anyone wants to help that would be cool19:40
ianwcmurphy: seems like you've done the hard work anyway :)  plenty of templates19:40
cmurphymost of the hard stuff isn't the rspec stuff it's the random other xenial breakage19:41
cmurphyor a lot of the modules probably never had working fixture manifests in the first place19:41
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fungii would bet on the latter19:43
cmurphylike accessbot https://review.openstack.org/#/c/461810/ there is no way that has ever worked19:44
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fungiopen discussion seems to have petered out... thanks everyone!19:51
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fungiin 8 minutes, there will be no tc meeting! ;)19:52
fungi(next tc office hours 01:00 utc in #openstack-tc)19:52
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Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_Can anybody see my messages?20:57
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trandlesyes, hello20:58
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Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_Is Stig here?20:59
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Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_How we should start?20:59
trandleshe's on his way Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_20:59
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Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ok I see @trandles21:00
jmloweusually takes 1-5 min for everyone to get situated21:00
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oneswigHi all21:00
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oneswig#startmeeting scientific_wg21:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Jun 13 21:01:01 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:01
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oneswigGreetings all21:01
rbuddenhello everyone!21:01
jmloweHey, Bob made it!21:01
martialHi Stig, everyone21:01
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_Hi, Stig, everyone21:01
oneswig#chair martial21:01
openstackCurrent chairs: martial oneswig21:01
jmloweMartial, Stig21:01
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rbuddenyes, might have to bow out early for daycare pickup though ;)21:01
oneswigHi Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_, thanks for coming21:01
trandlesHi hi everyone21:01
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_sure you are welcome21:01
DK_Hi, Stig21:01
oneswig#link Today's agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#IRC_Meeting_June_13th_201721:01
oneswigOK lets get the show on the road21:02
oneswigBlair here yet?21:02
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oneswigOK, lets get started21:02
oneswig#topic RDMA-enabled Big Data21:02
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oneswigHello DK_ Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ thanks both for coming21:03
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Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_Hello everybody21:03
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oneswig#link presentation for today is http://www.hpcadvisorycouncil.com/events/2017/swiss-workshop/pdf/Tuesday11April/DKPanda_BigDataMeetsHPC_Tue04112017.pdf21:03
oneswigWe can talk today about OSU's work21:03
oneswigon optimising HPDA platforms with RDMA21:03
oneswigHi verdurin, welcome21:04
oneswigXiaoyi-Lu-OSU_: DK_: can you talk about how long you've been working on this project and an overview of what you've done?21:04
DK_We have been working on this project for the last four years.21:05
DK_The broad idea is to exploit HPC technologies (including RDMA) to accelerate Hadoop, Spark and Memcached.21:05
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DK_Recently, we have also been exploring virtualization support for these stacks with SR-IOV and OpenStack21:06
oneswigHadoop and Spark - presumably big lumps of java - how do you do that?21:06
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_For Hadoop, we have designs for difffernent components21:06
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Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_say, RPC, MapReduce, and HDFS21:06
oneswigI'm looking at the box called "OSU design" in the new network stack (slide 11)21:06
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_They are designed with Java + JNI + native C libraires21:07
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oneswigAre there well established precedents for using JNI to do RDMA into a JVM?21:07
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_For Spark, we currently also bring our RDMA design into the shuffle manager21:07
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b1airohi all (bit late sorry, early morning dns issues)21:08
oneswigHi b1airo, good morning21:08
oneswig#chair b1airo21:09
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_Different groups are exploring different solutions. We choose JNI to have better control for the low-level verbs-based designs.21:09
openstackCurrent chairs: b1airo martial oneswig21:09
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martial#chaor b1airo21:09
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oneswigXiaoyi-Lu-OSU_: How big were the changes for Hadoop and Spark components - is this a major change or is it well layered/21:09
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_First I think it is well layered.21:10
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Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_For example, we implement our RDMA designs as plugins for these components.21:10
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_We don't want to change too many lines of code inside the original codebase.21:11
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Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_That's why we are able to support Apache Distribution of Hadoop, as well as CDH and HDP.21:11
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oneswigSo it's maintainable?  Sounds promising.21:11
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Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_Yes, it is maintainable. And we don't change any existing APIs for these components21:12
oneswigSomething I missed was the acronym HHH for Hadoop - what is that? (slide 14)21:12
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_We also keep the existing architecture intact.21:12
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_HHH means A Hybrid Approach to Accelerate HDFS on HPC Clusters with Heterogeneous Storage Architecture21:13
b1airooneswig: are there slides somewhere i missed?21:13
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_Hybrid, HDFS, and Heterogeneous are three key wrods21:13
oneswigthese ones b1airo: http://www.hpcadvisorycouncil.com/events/2017/swiss-workshop/pdf/Tuesday11April/DKPanda_BigDataMeetsHPC_Tue04112017.pdf21:13
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oneswigHybrid between what and what?21:13
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_Hybrid means different I/O paths among hard disks, SSD, RAM Disk, and parallel filesystems.21:14
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_More details can be found at this paper: Triple-H: A Hybrid Approach to Accelerate HDFS on HPC Clusters with Heterogeneous Storage Architecture21:15
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_which was presented at CCGrid 201521:15
oneswigIs there a URL?21:15
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Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_Here it is: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?arnumber=715247621:15
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_from IEEE Digital Library21:16
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oneswigThanks Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_21:16
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_No problem.21:16
martial#link http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?arnumber=715247621:16
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oneswigthe benchmark results (slide 26 onwards) look compelling.   How does Ethernet (10G or 50G) fit on these graphs - have you tested?21:18
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Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_we have some initial evaluations with 10GigE, but we have not done anything for 50G21:18
oneswigRoCE 10GE would be interesting if you've done that21:19
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Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_We don't have large testbed with RoCE 10GE21:19
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_but anybody can do this study with our libraries since we support RoCE also21:20
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_users can just download them from this link: http://hibd.cse.ohio-state.edu/21:20
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_as indicated in slide 1221:20
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martial#link http://hibd.cse.ohio-state.edu/21:21
oneswigIs the project open source?21:21
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_not yet.21:21
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Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_The OHB benchmarks are opensourced already21:22
oneswigDo you have plans for the rest?21:22
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_yes, in future21:22
b1airolarge scale RoCE workloads may not work well anyway, unless you were using MOFED4.0, depending on application RDMA QP requirements21:22
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oneswigb1airo: did you get that bond issue fixed that was blocking you?21:23
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oneswigXiaoyi-Lu-OSU_: These results all look great.  What are the cases where it doesn't perform well? :-)21:24
b1airooneswig: it was supposed to be fixed in 4.1 but we haven't checked it again yet21:24
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_for some workloads, if they are not communication intensive, then you may not be able to see obvious benefits21:24
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oneswigWhy did you base your benchmarks on IPoIB?  Was that because of what you had available?21:26
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_No, for IPoIB, we can evaluate our enhanced design with default design on the same InfiniBand hardware21:26
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_we believe this is a fair way to compare them.21:27
b1airomakes sense21:27
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b1airoit would be very interesting, and probably give the work a greater audience and applicability, to see more results over an Ethernet fabric21:27
oneswigDo you know these people: https://gaia.ac.uk/gaia-uk/ioa-cambridge/dpci - website says 108 nodes but that's a previous generation.  IIRC they have 200+ nodes running IPoIB Hadoop21:27
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Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_Do you mean RoCE?21:28
b1airoYes, RoCE versus regular TCP over the same high-speed Ethernet21:28
oneswigXiaoyi-Lu-OSU_: I'd say so21:28
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Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_Yes, we actually can support such type of comparison as well with our packages21:29
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_like I said earlier, we support native RoCE or IB21:29
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_it can be configured with our libraries21:29
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oneswigSo - OpenStack - how do they integrate so far?  You build on an OFED image, so that's easy enough.21:30
b1airoXiaoyi-Lu-OSU_: do you have any special relationship with Mellanox, e.g., Centre of Excellence ?21:30
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_we are able to run three modes: default TCP/IP, native IB, native RoCE21:30
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_you can go to this page: http://hibd.cse.ohio-state.edu/userguide/21:30
oneswigAre the last two via MVAPICH2?21:30
b1airothey might be able to get you access to a reasonable Ethernet test-bed21:30
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_to get all the configuration information from our userguides for various components21:31
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_yes, we do have closely worked with Mellanox folks21:31
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_MVAPICH2 is a separate project21:31
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_that's great!21:31
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_we would love to get the access21:32
oneswigXiaoyi-Lu-OSU_: OK thanks re: MVAPICH2.  How have you integrated with OpenStack to date?21:32
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_So, for Openstack integration, we are using Heat to develop a standard deploy template21:33
oneswigIs this the appliance for Chameleon21:33
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_this template will help users to set up all required dependencies as well as install and configure our libraries automatically21:34
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_it is available on Chameleon already21:34
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Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_here is the information about our appliance21:34
oneswigThe appliance looks like it deploys a hypervisor first - is that correct?21:35
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_we will first allocate some bare-metal nodes and then deploy the KVM instances on top of it21:35
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Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_then, a layer of RDMA-Hadoop will be set up on these vms21:36
oneswigAre the benchmarks you publish from SR-IOV VMs? Or bare metal?21:36
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_except slide 4821:36
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_others are taken from bare-metal nodes21:37
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_the numbers on slide 48 are taken from SR-IOV vms21:37
oneswigWe are looking at integrating HiBD into Sahara - on bare metal21:37
oneswigAny advice?21:38
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_We are still exploring Sahara. At this point, we don't know what kind of issues will be there21:38
oneswigWhat Mark my colleague has found so far is that HiBD uses pretty new versions of everything, and Sahara's pinned on some pretty old versions.21:38
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_if you find any problems, please feel free to contact us21:38
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_and we will be happy to help21:39
oneswigThanks Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_, will do!21:39
b1airoXiaoyi-Lu-OSU_: would the Heat template be easily editable to remove the bare-metal component assuming we already had RDMA-capable KVM guests via Nova?21:39
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Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_We keep upgrading our designs to the newer version of the codebase21:39
oneswigI think generally it would be a great thing to have this project easily integrated into HPDA-on-demand21:39
b1airooneswig: we have Sahara in Nectar testcloud at the moment, it's behind Trove for prod deployment currently21:40
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_yes, that will be doable with Heat21:40
martialoneswig: great idea21:40
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oneswigXiaoyi-Lu-OSU_: Interesting to see how you've worked a software deployment inside a vm that is itself a software deployment21:40
oneswigI'm sure there's wide interest in this, for anyone with RDMA-enabled kit and an interest in data-intensive analytics21:42
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_I agree21:42
oneswigXiaoyi-Lu-OSU_: do you already have contact with people from the Sahara project?21:42
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_One person from Sahara project talked to me earlier when I presented this work in OpenStack Summit @ Boston21:43
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Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_they also feel very interested with our designs.21:43
oneswigIf we can, let's find a way to get an OSU recipe into their work.21:44
b1airothat's my main concern with Sahara... as I understand it Mirantis built it but then cut back the dev resources, and I'm not sure how much other community there is around it yet21:44
oneswigb1airo: don't know either.  It's very useful for us.21:44
oneswigXiaoyi-Lu-OSU_: memcached - presumably much simpler.  I wonder if this might be usable on the OpenStack control plane - have you ever tested it in a Keystone use case?21:45
b1airoi agree it is useful, but i'm still on the fence about whether we need a specific service, i mean you could do something pretty similar with Murano packages21:46
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_No, we didn't do that21:46
b1airoor even just an external orchestration tool - Juju, Ansible, etc21:46
oneswigb1airo: We do a fair bit with heat wrapped up in Ansible.  What these services get you is a dashboard panel.21:46
oneswigWhich helps for user friendliness21:46
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_we have not explored these21:47
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oneswigI suppose it doesn't do much for you if Hadoop/Spark is part of a wider application platform - like http://opencb.org21:48
b1airooneswig: yes UI is important, but Murano could give you that too21:48
oneswigb1airo: Isn't Murano in a similar boat to Sahara?21:49
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b1airohave you looked at the Sahara interface? there are a LOT of widgets, confusing even for someone with a vague idea of what they are doing21:49
b1airooneswig: dev/community wise? yes i suppose so21:49
b1airoi suppose i'm thinking that not all of these projects will last and wondering what things are best to invest in21:50
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_If the OpenCB can run with default Hadoop/Spark, they should be able to run on our packages directly21:50
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oneswigb1airo: No I haven't - slightly worried that the interface might not be the panacea we hope for...21:50
oneswigWe are overrunning on time... any final questions WG?21:51
b1airoother option for UI is something like Ambari, but then that's a service atop your cloud, not integrated into it21:51
oneswigb1airo: perhaps that's OK, in that the application platform is not locked in to OpenStack...21:52
oneswigheresy I know :-)21:52
oneswigOK, we should cover other items.21:52
oneswigThank you Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ and DK_ - very helpful21:52
DK_Thank you!!21:53
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_Thanks everyone!21:53
oneswigreally good to have you come by!21:53
b1airoyes thanks a lot!21:53
martialreally good coverage, truly appreciate21:53
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oneswigMartial do you have a roundup on ORC?21:53
martialyes I do21:53
martial#topic ORC roundup21:53
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martialORC continue its discussion on the different topics discovered during the original effort21:53
martial#link https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B4Y7flFgUgf9dElkaFkwbUhKblU21:53
martialConversation is ongoing toward a federation effort for more than just OpenStack21:53
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martialThere is a request to see what and who from the SWG can bring any research user stories / information / effort to the initiative21:54
martialThe next meeting is going to be at the end of August in Amsterdam (dates to be finalized)21:54
martialStig, are you able/willing to go?21:54
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martial(physical meeting)21:54
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oneswigmartial: sounds possible.21:54
martialthere is a weekly telecon on Mondays at 11am EST21:54
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oneswigI love a good kletskoppen21:54
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martialoneswig: will mention that to Kazil then, he will reach out to you once the official meeting is set21:55
martialand that is it for ORC roundup :)21:55
oneswigOK, thanks martial21:55
martial(yes I prepared my text :) )21:55
oneswigAnyone going to ISC next week?  I believe Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ and DK will be there...21:56
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oneswigUnfortunately I will not but one of my colleagues is heading over21:56
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_we are there21:56
oneswigXiaoyi-Lu-OSU_: great21:56
powerdhey oneswig, ill be over at ISC!21:56
b1airoi was going to but then realised how close it was to all the travel i've just had - need to stick around home for a while!21:57
oneswigHello powerd!  You guys should meet up with Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_?21:57
Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_we are happy to meet with you guys there21:57
oneswigpowerd: John's going to be there, perhaps he already mentioned that.21:57
powerdyea that would be great - i sat in a workshop at SC about HiBD and have had it on my 'to test' list for for too long21:58
b1airoquick question - anyone got experience with transparent hugepages integration with HPC workloads ?21:58
powerdyup will be syncing with john too21:58
oneswigb1airo: not that I'm aware of, we've been busy on baremetal these last few months21:58
oneswigI had one final question21:59
b1airoe.g., how to transparently make allocations use madvise etc, preferably with scheduler switches21:59
oneswig#link CharlieCloud article https://insidehpc.com/2017/06/charliecloud-simplifies-big-data-supercomputing-lanl/21:59
oneswigtrandles: Are you holding punched cards in the photo??21:59
oneswigYou guys are old school :-)21:59
trandlesyeah the caption wasn't correct21:59
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trandlesI'm holding equivalent pages representing code base for docker, shifter, singularity22:00
b1airoreally floppy disks?22:00
trandlesReid is holding all of Charliecloud's source code22:00
b1airoshould the caption have read: "here's some guys we ran into outside the printer room"22:00
trandlesyes basically22:00
oneswigOK - on that happy note, time to take it away for another week...22:00
oneswigThanks all22:00
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Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_thanks, bye22:01
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rbuddencatch ya’ll later!22:01
martialgood bye all :)22:01
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trandlesbye bye22:01
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