Thursday, 2017-07-06

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ekcstime for congress meeting ramineni thinrichs masahito00:01
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thinrichsHi all00:01
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ekcshi thinrichs !00:01
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* ekcs topics are here as usual 00:03
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ekcsgosh something happened to my IRC clietn and I can’t paste.00:04
ekcswell topics are at the usual place. feel free to add & comment!00:04
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ekcsI’ll restart my clietn and be back.00:04
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masahitoramineni_: hi00:06
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ramineni_masahito: hi00:07
masahitoekcs is restarting his IRC client now.00:07
ekcshey guys. sorry about the delay. Don’t know why irc client isn’t letting me paste even after several restarts.00:07
ekcsbut let’s continue.00:07
ekcsplease find the etherpad by following the eavesdrop line00:07
ekcsi’ll just type it.00:07
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ekcsAnything else I need to paste I’ll paste in the etherpad.00:08
ekcsok let’s get started then.00:09
ekcsfeel free to add to the etherpad as we go if you have topics or comments00:09
ekcs#topic policy library discussion00:09
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ekcslet’s start with this.00:09
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ekcsso the implementation effort is continuing along.00:10
ekcsI think all the core pieces are in review.00:11
ekcsquite a few CLI and GUI things left.00:11
ekcshere’s a point of discussion we could tackle now.00:11
ekcsplease follow the link on etherpad under policy library discussion00:11
ekcsregarding whether to use unique names in policy library, as well as implementation options.00:12
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ekcsto summarize real quick: we have the option to make policy names in library unique or not.00:12
thinrichsOoops—I had a comment there and forgot to publish it.  If everyone refreshes they should see what I wrote.00:13
ekcsnon-unique names enable some helpful use cases. but unique names may be simpler for users being consistent with policy engine (even though there is no technical requirement for uniqueness)00:13
ekcsI’m going to start talking, but go ahead and jump in with thoughts any time.00:14
ekcsthinrichs: in comment on gerrit you said: “”00:15
ekcsugh forgot can’t paste.00:15
ekcsbut I want to clarify that source path and rank won’d be required when a user adds policy.00:15
ekcsthey’re hidden from the user completely. only meaningful to database.00:15
ekcsand they’re nullable unique fields.00:16
ekcsleaving aside implementation though, I think there is a question over which behavior we desire independently of implementation.00:17
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thinrichsI see, so the ID suggestion is the same as what's there.00:17
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thinrichsLast I remember we thought it could be valuable for the *library* to have policies with the same name, so that it would be easier to support multiple versions of the same policy.00:17
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thinrichsFor example, if the policy name were 'network', you might want one version of the policy to work with Neutron00:18
thinrichsand another version to work with Nova-network00:18
thinrichsIn the library they might both have the same name 'network' so that other policies could reference them00:19
ekcsyup that’s a discussion we had a couple weeks ago.00:20
thinrichsBut if each library policy were required to have a unique name, people could name them 'network_nova' and 'network_neutron'00:20
ramineni_While adding the policy from library to pe , how it will be handled in such case requires uniqueness00:20
thinrichsand then have other policies still reference 'network', with the idea that when you insert 'network_nova' or 'network_neutron' you insert them with the name 'network'00:20
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thinrichsramineni_: the PE would ensure you can only insert one policy named 'network', which would be okay because they are all different versions of each other.00:21
ekcsramineni_: I see it being handled the same way duplicate names are handled with a normal policy creation00:21
ekcsif policy named ‘a’ already exists, and user tries to import a policy named ‘a’ from library, then it fails for duplicate name.00:22
thinrichsWhat that does, however, is stop people from saying "insert all policies from the library into the PE"00:22
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ramineni_And get policy with name in library00:22
ekcsthinrichs: right, the import all function would be complex.00:23
thinrichsramineni_: that's true—the user would need to know to reference policies differently when pulling them out of the library.00:23
ekcsramineni_: at a baseline, user would not be able to import by name. the workflow I imagine would be00:23
thinrichsThat feels like a usability problem00:23
thinrichsat least initially00:24
ekcsbrowse on horizon and select the one to import.00:24
ekcsor search by name on CLI, then import by UUID.00:24
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ekcson horizon it’s just selecting the entry, which is what you’d expect.00:24
thinrichsThough maybe the CLI behavior would be to let you use the name if it's unique, and otherwise require the UUID00:24
ekcsthinrichs: agree on CLI behavior when the input name happens to be unique.00:25
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thinrichsDo we have any policies in the library that reference another policy?00:26
thinrichsIf not, the value of having multiple policies with the same name seems small.00:26
ekcsNot as of right now I think. So it’s really not an issue either way we go. problem is it’s hard to switch down the road.00:26
ekcsif we choose non-unique now and switch to unique, there are obvious upgrade problems.00:27
ekcsif we choose unique now and CLI, API that use that assumption, then move to non-unique later breaks them.00:27
thinrichsAnd it would be cool if people would start saying "use policy network_neutron_7" to fix this bug00:27
ekcsyea one vision that could potentially happen is a big library of policies people have contributed to and built up over the years.00:28
ekcsI guess thinrichs you’re saying that as a reason to go unique name.00:28
thinrichsIt seems that we should be able to relax the requirement of unique-names later if we wanted...00:28
thinrichs(Meaning that if every policy has a unique name, everything works the same00:29
ekcsI’m also thinking it’s a reason to go non-unique name because then someone can write a policy that refers to another without being tightly coupled to the specific policy.00:29
thinrichsbut you could also have non-unique names and that would only impact you when using the CLI (via UUIDs)00:29
thinrichsor the API (using UUIDs)00:29
thinrichsekcs: If policy A referring to policy B becomes a real problem we could always invent an Interface concept00:30
thinrichswhere policy A refers to interface B, and policies C, D, and E all implement interface B.00:31
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ekcsso it seems we’re leaning toward using unique names for now but not keeping the option open te move to non-unique later?00:32
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thinrichsI think there could be tremendous value in giving the community concrete names for a collection of policy statements that address a particular problem.  That too me is the most compelling reason to go with unique names.00:34
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ekcsoh correctly my previous message: s/but not keeping/but keeping00:36
ekcsramineni_, masahito any more thoughts?00:36
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masahitounique name sounds goods for me.00:37
ramineni_I'm leaning towards unique names , can be changed later if required00:38
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masahitoit's easier for users to check which real policy is created by which policy library.00:39
ekcsok let’s do that then. great discussion!00:39
ekcsanything else we want to talk about right now on policy library?00:39
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ekcsok let’s move on then =)00:41
ekcs#topic pike priorities00:41
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ekcsWe’re coming up towards the end of pike.00:42
ekcsI went through our pike goals and downgraded some of them.00:42
ekcsleaving the high priority ones that I’m thinking we really want to get done for pike.00:42
ekcsplease take a look now or later and comment and whether that makes sense.00:43
ekcslike are there other things that should be in there? or are there things that should not be in there.00:43
ekcslink is in etherpad.00:43
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ramineni_Are high priority ones as must go in pike? Medium as good to go00:45
ekcsThat’s the way I’m using it. At this point I don’t expect we’ll get to most medium ones.00:46
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ekcsThe big remaining pieces I prioritized as high are: author library policies, monitoring UI, CLI and UI for policy lib, WSGI deployment, python3 integration tests.00:47
ekcsthe one I have least confidence in is WSGI deployment. I’ve been looking at it on and off but it’s a brand new thing for me.00:48
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ekcslibrary policies and python3 integration tests COULD go in between pike-3 and rc1.00:48
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ramineni_I'll look at wsgi one00:49
ekcsthe monkey wrench we got kind of late in the game is doc migration target moving from queens to pike because of openstack changes. but again that could be done between pike-3 and rc1.00:50
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ekcsramineni_: awesomeness.00:51
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ekcslet’s move on then for now.00:51
ekcs#topic open discussion00:51
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ekcsplease jump in with whatever you may want to talk about =)00:52
ekcsone interesting thing on ML is linked to on etherpad under congress for config files00:52
ekcssomeone was proposing that congress be used to check configs during cloud operation. to make sure that they haven’t deviated from desired and accepted practices.00:54
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thinrichsI saw that00:54
ekcshe seems to have thought a fair bit about it and proposed that a new datasource be created to send config info to congress.00:55
thinrichsAnother way to look at this is to *independently* check that the systems are behaving correctly through their APIs.00:55
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ekcsyup. does that seem like something that’s useful?00:56
thinrichsI don't know about the config files.  Seems they could be hard to flatten.00:56
ekcsor is that really covered by all the existing config management systems in use.00:56
thinrichsOr would they?00:56
thinrichsI don't know if puppet/chef/ansible have a way of expressing invariants over the /etc/congress.conf files that get dumped onto disk00:57
ekcsdoesn’t seem hard actually. are there hierarchicial data in configs?00:57
ekcsI feel like you could almost get away with a two column table. first is name/path of config, second a value.00:57
thinrichsI imagine those tools make it easy to write tests though.  Just not sure about what you're testing.00:57
thinrichsSounds like it'd be worth exploring00:58
ekcslike (“default.auth.blah”, “value”)00:58
thinrichsSolving a concrete pain point is always valuable00:58
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ekcsany other last min topics?00:59
ekcsliterally last min.00:59
ekcsok I guess we’re done then. Thanks all again!01:00
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zhenguo#startmeeting mogan02:01
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zhenguoliusheng, litao__, luyao, Xinran, zhangyang: o/02:02
zhenguoas always, the agenda:02:03
zhenguolet's jump in02:03
zhenguo#topic announcements and reminders02:03
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zhenguoOpenStack Summit Sydney CFP, only 9 days left.02:04
zhenguoany ideas?02:04
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litao__just thinking02:05
zhenguolitao__: hah, ok, just need some abstract02:06
zhenguozhangyang: would you like to prepare one about cloudboot or productions02:06
zhangyangzhenguo: i'm not sure...02:07
zhenguolitao__: is there a plan for Fiberhome to run mogan in production ?02:07
zhenguozhangyang: hah, we can prepare a joint one02:07
zhangyangzhenguo: that will be very cool02:08
zhenguozhangyang: need to show how our big Bank customer use it, lol02:08
litao__zhengguo:Currently not02:08
zhenguolitao__: need to wait it offical?02:09
litao__zhenguo: maybe need more time02:09
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litao__zhenguo: not sure, maybe before02:09
zhenguolitao__: ok02:09
zhenguoThe Pike release is coming, we don't have much time left.02:10
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liushengzhenguo: we will relase our 1.0 ?02:10
zhenguoliusheng: yes02:10
litao__zhenguo: This is a big work for adding  a new module,  need to plan it in release version.02:10
Xinranhi sorry I am late02:10
zhenguoliusheng: do we need a p-3 or just one for Pike02:10
zhenguoXinran: np02:11
zhenguolitao__: got it, same to us02:11
liushengzhenguo: maybe only one enough. hah02:11
zhenguoliusheng: hah, sure02:11
zhenguoliusheng: when we have a release, we should add API microversion and bump db schema migrations02:12
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liushengzhenguo: ok, db migration is necessary02:12
zhenguook, and do you have something that must be done before release02:13
litao__liusheng: yes, I often encounter inconsistent issues for db02:14
zhenguozhangyang: do you still need server groups?02:15
zhangyangwhen  do we stop merging codes for pike?02:15
zhangyangzhenguo: according to liudong, yes02:15
zhenguozhangyang: at least one month02:15
zhenguozhangyang: ok02:15
zhangyangzhenguo: i'll make it sure with him02:15
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zhenguozhangyang: ok, thanks02:16
zhangyangzhenguo: np:D02:16
zhenguoContribution into mogan for the last 30 days02:16
zhenguowe got 5 person got more than 20 reviews last 30 days02:17
zhenguothanks all for your efforts02:17
zhenguoanother thing I want to talk about is the 'review hour'02:18
zhenguodo you find it's useful?02:18
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zhenguoseems not run very well and it's not effective02:20
liushengzhenguo: seems cannot ensure everyone have enough time02:20
zhenguoyes, that's one big reason02:20
litao__I think putting patches in etherpad for review is useful, hah02:20
zhenguoneed to improve it or should we just cancel it02:20
zhenguook, let's talk about it later when shaohe_feng and wanghao back02:21
zhenguonot much of announcement, anyone else have a thing here?02:21
zhenguook, let's move on02:22
zhenguo#topic task tracking02:22
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zhenguolooks like things are moving along nicely02:22
* zhenguo gives folks a few minutes to review02:22
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zhenguodo you think we should enrich quotas and notifications before Pike?02:25
litao__quota now just supports  server number02:26
zhenguolitao__: yes, we should add more02:26
liushengI may prefer we'd better to enrich the stability of existing interfaces02:27
zhenguoliusheng: yes, before release we should make user the interfaces are stable02:27
litao__stable is important02:28
zhenguozhangyang: do you care about the notifications?02:29
zhenguozhangyang: if you want to run mogan in production env02:29
zhangyangzhenguo: currently not using mogan notifications...02:30
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zhenguozhangyang: ok, got it02:30
zhenguozhangyang: you can give us more feedback on your tests, so we can improve it02:31
zhangyangzhenguo: yes, sure!02:31
zhenguozhangyang: thanks02:31
zhangyangzhenguo: :D02:31
zhenguook, let's go through the tasks list one by one02:32
zhenguothe new flavors one is done, maybe need a following up patch to deny deleting in use flavors02:32
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zhenguoliusheng: next is placement, seems it's almost done, thanks for your hard work02:34
liushengzhenguo: np :D02:34
liushengzhenguo: after that, we may need to consider node aggregates02:34
zhenguoliusheng: sure, the next is node aggregates02:35
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zhenguoliusheng: still not got how to use aggregates if it's only a notion of group without metadata/traits associated02:36
liushengzhenguo: not very sure, but maybe scheduler can use that to select grouped nodes ?02:37
zhenguoliusheng: you mean we can specify aggregates when query RP?02:37
liushengzhenguo: I think so02:37
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zhangyangwe now use node aggregates to group node manually, and use the group while creating servers.02:39
zhenguoliusheng: at least, for now admins can set traits to every rp they want to, and flavor can match that02:39
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zhenguozhangyang: for placement, we need to set traits to every node instead of setting metadata to a group02:40
zhangyangso we are thinking whether we can let user  select between the placement api and the aggregate / scheduler of our own.02:40
liushengzhenguo: yes, but if we specified node aggregates, we can also filter the nodes in specific aggregates02:40
litao__liusheng: node  aggregate is seen by normal users?02:40
litao__liusheng: or admin only02:41
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liushenglitao__: no plan for now02:41
zhenguoI mean we don't use the host aggreates way like nova, but we can achieve the same thing02:41
liushengliusheng: placement now only provide apis, I am not sure about the policy02:41
zhenguoif you want to group node1 node2 node3, you can set a trait to all of them02:42
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shaohe_feng_zhenguo: morning02:42
shaohe_feng_zhenguo: ping02:42
liushengzhenguo: we don't use the similar interface provided by placement ?02:42
zhenguothe difference is that, nova create a host aggregates A, then you add node1, node2, node3 to A, and set metadata to A02:42
zhenguoshaohe_feng_: o/02:43
liushengzhenguo: you can also add a node to a aggregate02:43
zhangyangah,  i see. use placement api to set metadata to nodes you want to manage.02:43
zhenguozhangyang: yes02:43
zhenguoliusheng: if we can't set traits to aggreatge, we don't need aggregate02:43
zhenguozhangyang: before you set metadata to aggregates, now you set metadata to every single node02:44
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zhenguozhangyang: it's the same02:44
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zhangyangzhenguo: I see :D02:45
zhenguozhangyang: and we use flavor resource_traits to match the specified resource provider(node)02:45
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zhenguozhangyang: you can set AZ, RACK, ROW or whatever info to placement resource provider02:46
zhenguozhangyang: that will meet your requirements02:46
* litao__ But it is a little complexity to add metadata for every node?02:47
zhenguolitao__: yes02:47
zhenguolitao__: that's for admins/deployers,02:47
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litao__zhenguo: yeah, I think so02:48
zhangyangzhenguo: oh, i see. liudong are concerned on whether we should all turn to placement so quick, so we wanted to keep both methods...02:48
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zhenguozhangyang: hah, placement's achitecture is simple, so no need to concern02:49
zhenguozhangyang: just some query SQL to DB, it will be more fast, and we only use the basic functionalities02:49
zhenguomaybe we can hold a voice meeting to discuss more about placement things, hah02:51
zhangyangzhenguo: so we can deploy placement api along with mogan on a single host?02:51
zhangyangzhenguo: yes, we should02:51
zhenguozhangyang: sure02:51
zhenguozhangyang: it's very small02:51
zhangyangzhenguo: ok, i see.02:52
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shaohe_fengwechat voice meeting.02:52
zhenguoshaohe_feng: hah02:53
liushenghaa, that is cool02:53
zhenguoshaohe_feng: intel's conference bridge seems work fine for us, hah02:54
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zhenguooh, it's almost time02:55
shaohe_fengzhenguo: then I can setup a conference bridge02:55
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zhenguoshaohe_feng: ok, we can confirm with others later02:55
zhenguoanother task is the 'adopt servers'02:55
zhenguoseems wanghao is absent02:56
zhenguolitao__: you will do together with wanghao, right?02:56
shaohe_fengzhenguo: Ok. a fit suitable time for all02:56
litao__zhenguo: yes,02:56
zhenguoshaohe_feng: yes02:56
litao__zhenguo: I will commit my patch later02:56
zhenguolitao__: ok, t hanks02:57
litao__zhenguo: n02:57
litao__zhenguo: np02:57
zhenguohi all, please help to review the specs more02:57
litao__zhenguo: sure02:58
zhenguoand I would like to land the placement patches this week, then we will get more time to prepare other things before release.02:58
zhenguoalso please help to review it02:58
zhenguook, let's move to open discussion02:59
zhenguo#topic open discussion02:59
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zhenguowho's got a thing here02:59
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zhenguook, it's almost time, thanks everyone for joining the meeting!03:00
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ianychoi_phonejpich: Genek : Sorry I was a little bit confused with irc channel haha13:10
jpichNo problems :)13:10
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jftaltaHi. Sorry for the delay :(13:25
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ianychoi_phonejftalta: Hi!13:26
ianychoi_phoneNow there r 4 members - me, jftalta, jpich, and Genek13:26
ianychoi_phoneStarting a meeting would be good?13:27
ianychoi_phone#startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting13:27
openstackMeeting started Thu Jul  6 13:27:41 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ianychoi_phone. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:27
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ianychoi_phone#topic open discussions13:28
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ianychoi_phoneFeel free to tell here :)13:28
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jpichJust an FYI! I'm going to be running a short presentation on tripleo-ui and i18n in about 30mn - . Everyone is welcome to attend if you're curious :)13:29
ianychoi_phonejftalta: how r u ?13:29
ianychoi_phonejpich: I will :)13:30
jpichianychoi_phone: On your phone? Brave :-)13:30
jftaltaianychoi : I'm fine, thx :)13:30
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jftaltajpic: I'd like to attend your prez but I won't be able :(13:31
jpichjftalta: No problems :) I'll record it and also post some notes online after, hopefully13:31
jftaltaok, cool :)13:32
jftaltaianychoi: and you, how are you going ?13:32
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jpichianychoi_phone: I've never tried to access bluejeans on a phone, curious to hear if it works well! :)13:32
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ianychoi_phonejpich: Maybe? :)13:33
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jftaltaany news from Franck ?...13:33
ianychoi_phonejftalta: me is actually so busy13:33
ianychoi_phonejftalta: Frank attended the meeting last week and he is helping translate checksite13:34
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jftaltafor my part, I think I'm going to work on the french glossary.13:36
ianychoi_phoneNote that I need to cancel the next irc meeting since it conflicts with my company meeting and also OpenStack Days in Korea13:36
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jpichWill you be attending the OpenStack Days?13:37
jftaltaIn France, OpenStack Days will stand in november, after Sydney Summit.13:37
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ianychoi_phonejpich: Both physically and virtually - I need to mainly stay at my office but I can move during my available time - it's near :)13:38
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jpichCool, enjoy :)13:38
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ianychoi_phonejftalta: yep i have heard during Boston Summit13:39
ianychoi_phonejpich: thank u :)13:39
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jftaltatonight I'm going to an OS meetup in Paris. Hope I will meet one or two I18N contributors there13:41
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jpichThat would be cool!13:42
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jpichBy the way, if there is no meeting next week then this is my last meeting until August 17th - I'll try to catch up on everything when I'm back!13:43
ianychoi_phonejpich: oh your vacation is from next week? Enjoy your vacation:)13:44
jftaltajpich: enjoy, and take care !13:45
jpichThanks! :)13:45
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ianychoiI'm back :)13:51
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ianychoijftalta, and I sent an e-mail to you about I18n core reviewers. Would you check the mail if you have time later?13:52
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ianychoiGenek, although there will be no irc meeting next week, I think Foundation will announce translated user survey in OpenStack Days Korea 2017 next week. I will tell you :)13:53
ianychoijftalta, thank you!13:53
ianychoi#info Next I18n IRC meeting will be canceled13:55
ianychoi#action ianychoi will submit extra ATC on the next week13:55
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ianychoi^ is now merged so I can calculate extra ATC status with user survey translation13:56
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ianychoi#info Plz see open review in
ianychoiThat's all from my saying briefly.13:57
ianychoiIf there is no question, I would like to close today meeting. Any other questions?13:58
jftaltano question13:59
ianychoijftalta, I see thank you! :)13:59
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andreaf#startmeeting qa17:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jul  6 17:00:17 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is andreaf. Information about MeetBot at
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andreaf#link Today's agenda17:00
andreafo/ who's here today for the meeting?17:01
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martinkopecHi, where is everybody else? :D17:02
andreaflet's wait another minute or two to see if anyone else is joining17:02
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andreafok let's get started17:03
andreaf#topic Actions from previous meeting17:04
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andreaf#link actions17:04
andreaf#link chandakumar started his doc work17:05
andreafI don't have updates from gmann - I'm back today from PTO so kind of short in updates17:05
andreaf#topic PTG17:06
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andreafJust a quick update on the PTG17:06
andreafthe first two days QA will have a room where folks can pop in seeking help on QA related topics17:07
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andreafthe remaining three days we'll have a room for sessions and hacking17:07
andreafWe shall start discussing about topics for discussions soon-ish17:08
martinkopecthat's awesome17:08
mtreinishsigh, I guess that means I'll have conflicts the whole week :)17:09
andreafmtreinish: the first two days we can setup a kind of rota, so that QA folks can join WG sessions as well17:09
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andreafmtreinish: for the sessions I would try to pack them together but if we have room to move them around to avoid conflicts17:10
andreafmtreinish: so it should not be too bad17:10
andreafso unless anyone objects, since we are a very small group today, I would skip the rest of formal agenda and move to Open Discussion17:11
martinkopecI can add some little information about tempest bug triaging I was supposed to do this week17:12
andreaf#topic Tempest bug triage17:12
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martinkopecso I've created the report on17:12
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martinkopecunfortunately I wasn't able to confirm any new bug but17:13
martinkopecat least I've checkd if bugs in progress are valid17:13
martinkopecif they have an assignee .. and reviewed incomplete bugs17:14
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andreafmartinkopec: that's great it's good to check if in-progress bugs are really in progress17:14
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mtreinishmartinkopec: did you see: there has been some work to automate this kind of work17:14
mtreinishit might be useful to look into that17:15
martinkopecmtreinish, I'll have a look17:15
andreafmtreinish: I saw that earlier today but didn't really look into it yet, but yeah17:15
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andreafany automation we can get would be welcome since we have a decent backlog - nothing compared to nova though17:16
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martinkopecyeah, automation would be good .. btw, I was kindly surprised how the number of bugs went lower last few weeks, that's good17:17
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martinkopec*tempest bugs on Launchpad17:18
mtreinishoh, that is good, I guess we're fixing things :)17:18
andreafmartinkopec: according to the report there is a new "high importance" bug in the list, but high importance bugs are all kind of old - do you know which one had its priority raised?17:18
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martinkopecandreaf, no, there were already 8 when I started bug triaging :/17:19
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andreafuhm I guess it's
openstackLaunchpad bug 1681866 in tempest "Bad response code while validating token: 502" [High,Confirmed]17:20
andreafI don't see how this is a tempest issue though...17:20
mtreinishthat's not a tempest bug17:20
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andreafmtreinish: heh you were faster - down to 7 now :)17:22
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andreafok anything else on bug triage?17:23
martinkopecthat's all from my side17:23
andreafany volunteer to look into applying sdague automation to tempest?17:24
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mtreinishI'm not sure if I'll have the bandwidth to look anytime soon, I'm traveling again next week17:25
andreafif anyone wants to look into that feel free to ping me later or add your name to the bug triage etherpad17:25
andreafI'm also seeking volunteers for the gate issue categorisation:
mtreinishbut I was interested in testing it, because I've spent too much time over the years doing bug triage by hand17:26
andreafmtreinish: heh no worries - I will give it a shot if no-one else is available17:26
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andreafok, next topic17:27
andreaf#topic Open Discussion17:27
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andreafanything else to be discussed today?17:27
andreafelse I'll give you a record 30min back of your life17:28
andreafnot sure about the ordering of words in that sentence ^^^ hope it makes sense17:28
mtreinishandreaf: I understood :)17:29
martinkopecandreaf, yeah it makes :)17:29
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andreafok thanks everyone for your time!17:31
andreaf#endmeeting qa17:31
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dtroyeranyone around to talk osc?19:00
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dtroyergoing once...19:06
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dtroyer#startmeeting openstackclient19:07
openstackMeeting started Thu Jul  6 19:07:30 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at
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dtroyertwo is more than we've had for a while :)19:07
dhellmannI'm looking at that display command hook patch now19:07
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dhellmannI'm going to throw another patch on top of it to add some tests19:08
dtroyersummer for half the world, go figure19:08
dhellmannhow are we doing with the doc-migration stuff for OSC repos?19:08
dtroyerok, thanks.  I wasn't sure if that fits what you intended for the hooks19:08
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dtroyerI think I have most, if not all, of the reviews merged19:08
dtroyerwill check again after this19:08
dhellmannok, cool19:08
dtroyerah, I have not looked at os-client-config yet, so there may be some there still19:09
dhellmannhow are things going otherwise? any reviews I can help with besides that display command item?19:09
dtroyerI can't think of anything specific, there are a couple that need working through the command/option layout19:09
dhellmannthe os-client-config items all merged:
dtroyerin osc proper19:09
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dhellmannthat's really all I had :-)19:11
dtroyerI am planning to do a set of releases soon, will be out of town for a few days here but can keep an eye on that since it's looking like they will not be ready until Monday now19:11
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dhellmannI can take care of that for you, if you want. No sense in worrying about that while you're on the road.19:12
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dtroyerok, thanks.  cliff is ready once your bits merge, there is one more review on osc-lib I want to resolve yet, then it is ready.  I am behind the curve on o-c-c but we do need one before the freeze yet there too.19:14
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dhellmannif you have the list of patches you want to wait for I can set that up19:14
dhellmannin fact, if you have the patches, you could file the release today with depends-on :-)19:15
dtroyerwe can merge that, if rui's question needs addressing it can be in a follow-up19:15
dtroyeroh, good idea...19:15
dtroyerthe last one merged is the release SHA, right?  assuming that doesn't change19:16
dhellmannyeah, and I can fix it if the sha ends up changing19:16
dtroyerit's OSC that is the unknown, and since it has another week (right?) before freeze I'm focusing on the libs now19:17
dhellmanndtroyer : adds tests for
dhellmannI would prefer to merge those together, I think, so I'll +2 but leave the approval to you19:18
dtroyerstevemar: do you have an opinion on the live migration options between and
dtroyerdhellmann: ok19:18
dtroyerstevemar: I am writing a comment with my thoughts to add to both reviews to pick one to handle both of them since they overlap19:19
dtroyerbasically, it's a combination of not wanting to use the argparse nargs option (at all if possible) and picking option names19:20
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dtroyergrrrr, I gave you bad links: and
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stevemaroh the migration bits...19:29
stevemarsorry, i don't have much of an opinion on that stuff, not in my wheelhouse19:29
dtroyerok, np, thanks19:30
dtroyerfrom a command format standpoint though, I prefer —cold to —no-live I think19:30
dtroyerbut also don't want the hostname to be optional, maybe would rather have —live-auto for the no-host-given version19:30
dtroyerthe second one I'm not totally sold on yet, but I still don't like nargs19:31
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dtroyerok, anything else?19:35
dtroyerMy apologies for not having better structure to this, I'm still catching up from the last couple of weeks...19:35
dtroyerok, thanks guys for your time!19:37
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mriedem#startmeeting nova21:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Jul  6 21:01:23 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at
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mriedemok let's get started21:02
mriedem#link agenda
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mriedem#topic release news21:03
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mriedem#link Pike release schedule:
mriedem#info July 27 is feature freeze (3 weeks away)21:03
mriedem#info Blueprints: 65 targeted, 63 approved, 26 completed (+1 from last week)21:03
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mriedemslowly making some progress on closing things out, but not nearly enough21:03
mriedemany questions about the release?21:04
mriedem#topic bugs21:04
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mriedemthere is nothing listed as critical21:04
mriedem#help Need help with bug triage; there are 109 (+2 from last week) new untriaged bugs as of today (July 6).21:04
mriedemgate status is ok,21:05
mriedemone of the main issues was some image upload test failing b/c of glance running under uwsgi in devstack21:05
mriedemlooks like that has dropped off after a socket timeout was increased yesterday
mriedemno news on 3rd party ci21:05
mriedemanything to mention for bugs?21:06
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mriedem#topic reminders21:06
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mriedem#link Pike Review Priorities etherpad:
mriedem#link Consider signing up for the Queens PTG which is the week of September 11 in Denver, CO, USA:
mriedem#topic stable branch status21:06
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mriedem#link stable/ocata:,n,z21:06
mriedemquite a few open reviews for ocata21:07
mriedem#link stable/newton:,n,z21:07
mriedemand for newton21:07
mriedeminfra is working through dropping the mitaka jobs21:07
mriedem#topic subteam highlights21:08
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mriedemdansmith: anything for cells v2?21:08
dansmithjust reviewed the outstanding reviews21:08
dansmithwhich got some things going21:08
dansmithworking through issues with the ironic people on the multicell devstack patch,21:08
dansmithbut might have that resolved at this point21:08
dansmiththat's about it I think21:08
mriedemedleafe: scheduler?21:09
edleafeno meeting this week. I'm just catching up on the current state of things21:09
edleafeso unless someone else has anything21:09
mriedemtop priority review is
mriedemthere was a short api subteam meeting this week due to the 4th of July holiday in the US21:10
mriedemworking on
mriedemthere was no notification meeting this week due to the holiday also21:10
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mriedemfor the cinder v3 attach stuff, the series needs reviews:; stvnoyes is working on some grenade testing21:10
mriedemi'm going through those changes today21:11
mriedem#topic stuck reviews21:11
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mriedemthere was nothing on the agenda,21:11
mriedemdoes anyone want to mention something?21:11
mriedem#topic open discussion21:11
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mriedemnothing on the agenda, so i'll open it up21:12
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mriedemalright then21:12
mriedemi guess that's it,21:12
mriedemthanks everyone21:12
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kevinbenton#startmeeting neutron_drivers22:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jul  6 22:00:29 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is kevinbenton. Information about MeetBot at
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armaxthat’s abrupt22:00
armaxnot even hello22:00
armaxtoo late22:00
* amuller is lurking22:00
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kevinbentonok, i want to look at a few things from the list here22:01
openstackLaunchpad bug 1627987 in neutron "[RFE] SR-IOV accelerated OVS integration" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Moshe Levi (moshele)22:01
kevinbentonthis one seems easy enough to me22:02
armaxkevinbenton: I looked at it and reviewed the patches just now22:02
armaxnot sure I see much of an RFE material in the sense that this feels like a minimal enhnancement22:02
armaxam I missing something?22:02
kevinbentonthat's why we can just approve22:03
mlavallepretty well contained22:03
kevinbentonand skip spec22:03
armaxwell, I’d argue we should just remove the rfe tag :)22:03
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armaxthis reminds of
openstackLaunchpad bug 1506127 in neutron "enable vhost-user support with neutron ovs agent" [Wishlist,Fix released] - Assigned to Terry Wilson (otherwiseguy)22:04
armaxwhich was an RFE22:04
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armaxbut it brought in a user-facing change and some contention in relation to the networking-ovs-dpdk  project22:05
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kevinbentonseems to just be an agent flag to change info in vif details to nova22:05
armaxnope to what?22:05
amotokiwhat is the difference between removing rfe tag and approving rfe without requesting spec?22:06
kevinbentonnot user facing or anything like that22:06
amotokithe change would be simple22:06
armaxamotoki: none, just ignore me :)22:06
armaxkevinbenton: agreed, but won’t we need to add a new value to
armaxsorry I meant22:06
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kevinbenton(sorry, internet is really slow)22:07
kevinbentonarmax: what was that a link to?22:08
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amotokiamuller: you mean ?22:08
amotokiamuller: sorry22:09
amotokiarmax: ^22:09
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armax no22:09
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armaxI meant the datapath_type config option agent side22:09
amotokiah i see. datapath_type22:09
armaxthe RFE states22:09
armaxthat a new hw_acc value would be used22:10
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kevinbentonyeah, so an operator option is needed then22:10
armaxto make sure we can do a direct binding22:10
armaxkevinbenton: that’s what I thought, and hence I posted my question in the review22:10
kevinbentonis there a problem we are trying to figure out here?22:10
kevinbentonor can we move to review22:10
armaxas far as I can see22:10
armaxso long as we document the whole thing etc we should be good22:11
openstackLaunchpad bug 1667877 in neutron "[RFE] Allow DVR for E/W while leaving N/S centralized" [Wishlist,Triaged]22:11
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kevinbentonarmax has a suggestion in there about an agent config mode to make it not do offload22:12
armaxkevinbenton: right now we have a config option used for L3 agents22:12
kevinbentonarmax: well i thought you did22:12
armaxwhose values are ‘dvr’, ‘dvr_snat’, and ‘legacy’22:13
mlavalleI went thorugh the bug again. Didn't see any change22:13
kevinbentonarmax: didn't you leave a comment somewhere?22:13
armaxwe can add a new one ‘dvr_no_dnat’22:13
kevinbentonarmax: yeah, that would work for me22:13
armaxthis way FIP requests will always go to ‘dvr_snat’ nodes22:14
kevinbentonamotoki: yeah, that would be set on the compute node l3 agents22:14
kevinbentonand then they would do no north/south translation22:14
kevinbentonwhich would be left to a central node at that point22:15
mlavalleand that woul;d by dnat, right?22:15
armaxkevinbenton: right, code agent side would need to be refactored a bit to avoid some of the spaghetti mess22:15
kevinbentonarmax: didn't you comment this somewhere or am i going crazy?22:15
kevinbenton(other than above in this meeting)22:15
armaxkevinbenton: perhaps I was22:16
armaxkevinbenton: do you want me to repost?22:16
kevinbentonyeah, put it in the bug if you can22:16
armaxyes, sir22:16
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mlavalleSwami commented this mroning during L3 team meeting he is ready to start working on this22:16
kevinbentondoes anyone have any objections then to having this option to basically disable the north-south capabilities on a compute node l3 agent?22:17
mlavalleso any guidance we can leave in the rfe will be helpful22:17
kevinbentonwhich would then force them back to the central agent?22:17
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armaxmlavalle: OK22:17
mlavalleI am ok with it22:17
armaxkevinbenton: let me comment and if you’re happy with it then you can rfe-approve22:18
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kevinbentonarmax: ok22:18
armaxthe only difference between the initial approach22:18
armaxand this one being discussed right now22:18
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armaxis that the centralized DNAT is always config driven22:18
armaxnot based on some ‘circumstantial’ condition22:19
armaxwhich is based on agent health22:19
mlavalleso operator chooses to centralize DNAT or not based solely on cofig, right?22:19
armaxand also the fact that we don’t have yet another config option a user must wrap her head around22:20
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kevinbentonany l3 agents without external network access would have this option set22:20
armaxwe need to understand what happens in clouds with a mix of agents where22:20
armaxa bunch are dvr (computes), dvr_snat (network nodes) and dvr_no_dnat (compute)22:21
kevinbentonarmax: shouldn't be anything too special there22:21
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kevinbentonjust whatever was on no_dnat would be centralized22:21
kevinbentonwhile other stuff remains the same22:21
armaxwhen a VM with FIP migrates from a compute running in DVR mode to one running in dvr_no_dnat what happens?22:21
armaxI still believe this is a can of worms22:21
armaxbut hey, you want the rope22:22
armaxhave at it22:22
kevinbentonthe same thing as happens now22:22
kevinbentonjust a different destination :)22:22
armaxkevinbenton: let’s hope so :)22:22
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kevinbentonarmax: ok, did you comment yet?22:22
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armaxdo I have to now? I can’t multitask :)22:23
kevinbentonoh, no22:23
armaxif I comment, I can’t talk to you22:23
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kevinbentoni just thought you meant right now22:23
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kevinbentonlet's move on for now then22:23
armaxI’ll ping you as soon as I do22:23
openstackLaunchpad bug 1669630 in neutron "Network RBAC acceptance workflow" [Wishlist,Triaged]22:23
armaxthis would need a spec, wouldn’t it?22:25
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armaxwe need new CLI, docs etc, the whole lot22:25
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amotokii think a spec is a good start22:27
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mlavalleyeah, it does enatil cli, api change, docs, etc22:27
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kevinbenton#chair armax22:29
openstackCurrent chairs: armax kevinbenton22:29
kevinbenton(bad connection, will read backlog later, sorry everyone!)22:29
mlavallekevinbenton: we were talking about a spec as a next step22:30
mlavallegiven that it entails cli, api change, docs22:30
mlavallethat's as much as you lost22:30
mlavallemaybe we lost him again22:31
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armaxmlavalle: I suppose we can comment on the bug report for him22:33
mlavallelet's do that22:33
armaxno we have the option to continue to scrub the list or call the meeting off22:33
kevinbenton#chair armax22:34
openstackCurrent chairs: armax kevinbenton22:34
kevinbentondid that make it through?22:34
armaxkevinbenton: yes it did22:34
mlavalleyes it did22:34
kevinbentoni'm okay with just ending the meeting for now if you folks want22:35
armaxmlavalle, amotoki thoughts?22:35
mlavalleok with me22:35
kevinbentoni got the two burning ones blocking people22:35
kevinbentonthis one22:35
openstackLaunchpad bug 1669630 in neutron "Network RBAC acceptance workflow" [Wishlist,Triaged]22:35
mlavalleburning rfe's22:35
mlavallearmax: ^^^^22:35
kevinbentonlooks like it has a contributor that i can help22:35
armaxI hardly thought they were lukewarm22:35
armaxbut sure22:36
armaxlet’s wrap this up so that I can comment on these and move them through the pipeline22:36
armaxsounds good?22:36
kevinbentonsounds good22:36
mlavallesounds good to me22:36
kevinbentondid anyone have any other high priority things?22:36
kevinbentonbefore we end?22:36
armaxanything anyone?22:36
mlavalleI will make sure Swami gets the latest news about the fip rfe22:36
armaxmlavalle: aye22:37
kevinbentonmlavalle: send him a carrier pigeon22:37
armaxor a horse’s head22:37
armaxyour choice22:37
kevinbentonamotoki: anything you want to discuss?22:37
amotokikevinbenton: no priority item from me.22:37
kevinbentonlet's end then and chat next week22:38
kevinbentonthanks everyone22:38
armaxkevinbenton: do you have spare bauds to close the meeting?22:38
mlavallekevinbenton: have fun wherever you are22:38
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kevinbentonlooks like it22:38
openstackMinutes (text):
armaxhe did!22:38
kevinbentonmlavalle: glacier national park :)22:38
amotokinice :)22:39
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