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| hongbin | #startmeeting zun | 03:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 18 03:00:05 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 03:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zun' | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zun#Agenda_for_2017-07-18_0300_UTC Today's agenda | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #topic Roll Call | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
| Namrata | Namrata | 03:00 |
| mkrai | Madhuri | 03:00 |
| kevinz | kevinz | 03:00 |
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| hongbin | thanks for joining the meeting Namrata mkrai kevinz | 03:01 |
| hongbin | ok, let's get started, potentially a short meeting | 03:02 |
| hongbin | #topic Announcements | 03:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:02 | |
| hongbin | 1. No meeting at 2017-07-25 due to OpenStack Days China. | 03:02 |
| hongbin | #link http://openstackdaychina.org/ | 03:02 |
| hongbin | 2. New BPs created | 03:02 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/show-container-engine-info Introduce an API to show container engine info | 03:02 |
| hongbin | that is all the announcement from my side | 03:02 |
| hongbin | any comment? | 03:03 |
| hongbin | seems no | 03:03 |
| mkrai | hongbin: I wanted to know what this BP about | 03:03 |
| hongbin | mkrai: sure | 03:03 |
| mkrai | I think we can take it in open discussion | 03:03 |
| mkrai | Need time to read it | 03:04 |
| hongbin | i remembered i created this bp based on a question from ML | 03:04 |
| mkrai | yes I also read that email | 03:04 |
| hongbin | ok | 03:04 |
| hongbin | any other comment? | 03:04 |
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| hongbin | ok, next topic | 03:05 |
| hongbin | #topic Cinder integration | 03:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cinder integration (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:05 | |
| hongbin | i didn't have time to work on this one recently, due to openstack day china preparation | 03:05 |
| hongbin | i will get back to this after the event | 03:05 |
| hongbin | i am planning to move to the new cinder attachment workflow | 03:06 |
| hongbin | which is hte new attachment workflow that nova is switching to it | 03:06 |
| mkrai | What is it? | 03:07 |
| mkrai | Is there any spec for it in Nova? | 03:07 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330285/ | 03:07 |
| hongbin | the implementation will be something like above patch | 03:07 |
| hongbin | i believe there is a spec, but couldn't find it at the monent | 03:08 |
| mkrai | I am not sure what the change is about but its always good to go with the latest changes | 03:08 |
| hongbin | ack | 03:08 |
| hongbin | any other comment before going to the next topic? | 03:09 |
| mkrai | no | 03:09 |
| hongbin | #topic Introduce container composition (kevinz) | 03:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Introduce container composition (kevinz) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:09 | |
| kevinz | hi all | 03:09 |
| hongbin | kevinz: ^^ | 03:09 |
| kevinz | I've split the patch of zun capsule to several patch | 03:09 |
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| kevinz | support capsule create, list ,describe and delete | 03:10 |
| hongbin | cool | 03:10 |
| kevinz | I find that the image searching and image load will cost a little long time | 03:10 |
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| hongbin | how long? | 03:11 |
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| kevinz | It feels like half of time will be cost by image load and search | 03:12 |
| hongbin | image searching is for validation only | 03:12 |
| kevinz | The time of capsule creation will cost 10s I find | 03:13 |
| hongbin | if performance is suboptimal, we could figure out a way to disable it | 03:13 |
| hongbin | i see | 03:13 |
| mkrai | 10s is long time | 03:13 |
| mkrai | Yes we can disable the image validation | 03:13 |
| kevinz | OK that's good news | 03:14 |
| kevinz | where to disable it? by configuration? | 03:14 |
| hongbin | for image loading, i think it might be possible to check if an image is already loaded, before loading hte new image | 03:14 |
| hongbin | however, it will miss if there is a new image available at docker hub | 03:15 |
| mkrai | no there is no such config now kevinz | 03:15 |
| mkrai | hongbin: i think we are talking about the image validation at the api layer | 03:16 |
| mkrai | isn't it? | 03:16 |
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| hongbin | mkrai: yes, sorry, i commented on the loading , which is too fast | 03:16 |
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| hongbin | ok, back to the api validation | 03:16 |
| mkrai | hongbin: np :) | 03:17 |
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| hongbin | yes, a config will work | 03:17 |
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| mkrai | hongbin: I am think how about removing it? | 03:17 |
| hongbin | an alternative approach is introducing a option like: zun run --no-validation nginx | 03:17 |
| mkrai | let it fail after returning the call, if image is not foung | 03:18 |
| hongbin | mkrai: then, users have to do another api call to check if hte container was failing | 03:19 |
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| mkrai | hongbin: yes the same way it is done for another failures | 03:19 |
| mkrai | #link https://github.com/openstack/zun/blob/master/zun/api/controllers/v1/containers.py#L239 | 03:19 |
| mkrai | Because the image searching is a heavy operation and it blocks the api server | 03:20 |
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| mkrai | Irony is I added this support if I remember correctly ;) | 03:20 |
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| hongbin | from user experience point of view, this validation is good for fail earlier | 03:21 |
| hongbin | however, if it is too heavy, i am ok to remove it | 03:21 |
| mkrai | Yes I agree to that part but we can't underestimate the time consumption | 03:21 |
| mkrai | I think its better to add a config. WDYT? | 03:21 |
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| hongbin | yes, that will work as well | 03:22 |
| mkrai | kevinz: hongbin I can post a patch for that if you want | 03:22 |
| hongbin | mkrai: sure, np from me | 03:23 |
| kevinz | mkrai: Thanks | 03:23 |
| mkrai | hongbin: Ok what should be the default value? | 03:23 |
| mkrai | validation or no validation? | 03:23 |
| hongbin | mkrai: i voted for validation by default | 03:24 |
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| kevinz | +1 | 03:24 |
| mkrai | Ok agree | 03:24 |
| mkrai | hongbin: Can you note a AI for this? | 03:24 |
| hongbin | sure | 03:24 |
| mkrai | hongbin: Thanks | 03:25 |
| hongbin | #action mkrai works on a patch to make image validation configurable | 03:25 |
| hongbin | ok, then let's talk about image loading | 03:25 |
| kevinz | OK | 03:25 |
| hongbin | i think a solution is to load the image only if it is not loaded | 03:26 |
| mkrai | We might miss the latest image | 03:26 |
| hongbin | yes, that is the drawback | 03:27 |
| mkrai | I think this can also be made configurable | 03:27 |
| mkrai | whether user wants to use the existing image or the latest image always | 03:27 |
| hongbin | yes, i believe a config will work | 03:28 |
| hongbin | i was thinking to extend the --image-pull-policy to determine if the image should be loaded | 03:28 |
| hongbin | which is another option | 03:28 |
| mkrai | yeah that is also an option | 03:28 |
| mkrai | in that case we might not need the new config | 03:29 |
| mkrai | I actually forgot the image_pull_policy | 03:29 |
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| hongbin | for loading, this would be image_load_policy, or combine these two option, would be image_policy | 03:29 |
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| kevinz | I think it is a good solution | 03:31 |
| hongbin | ok | 03:31 |
| mkrai | Wouldn't the image_pull_policy be enough? I can't think of the use case of both in broader term now | 03:32 |
| hongbin | i see | 03:32 |
| hongbin | then, load the image only if the image is pulled? | 03:32 |
| mkrai | yes | 03:33 |
| mkrai | exactly | 03:33 |
| hongbin | sound reasonable | 03:33 |
| kiennt_ | mkrai: +1, the image_pull_policy is good enough (sorry if i interrupted) | 03:33 |
| kevinz | good | 03:33 |
| hongbin | is anything change we need to make? | 03:34 |
| mkrai | I think no | 03:34 |
| hongbin | kiennt_: hey, thanks for joining hte meeting | 03:34 |
| hongbin | mkrai: ack, wait for kevinz to confirm | 03:35 |
| kiennt_ | hongbin: hi, my pleasure. | 03:35 |
| kevinz | Actually I 'm not very clear about the image policy. I will check code to see the procedure | 03:35 |
| hongbin | kevinz: ack | 03:36 |
| kevinz | for capsule, that's all from me | 03:37 |
| hongbin | kevinz: thanks | 03:37 |
| kevinz | hongbin: my pleasure | 03:38 |
| hongbin | kevinz: i remembered we loaded the image only if it is pulled from glance | 03:38 |
| mkrai | kevinz: thanks | 03:38 |
| kevinz | mkrai:my pleasure | 03:38 |
| hongbin | kevinz: for docker hub, it is not loaded | 03:38 |
| hongbin | kevinz: ok, you could check that after | 03:39 |
| kevinz | hongbin: OK, I will try this after the meeing | 03:39 |
| hongbin | #topic Open Discussion | 03:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:39 | |
| kevinz | thanks hongbin mkrai | 03:39 |
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| kevinz | hongbin: when will arrive at Beijing? | 03:40 |
| hongbin | kevinz: sunday afternoon | 03:40 |
| kevinz | hongbin: OK I'm the same | 03:40 |
| hongbin | kevinz: i heard beijing is very hot right now | 03:41 |
| hongbin | :) | 03:41 |
| hongbin | ok, any other topic to discuss? | 03:41 |
| kevinz | hongbin: haha, a little, this weekend will be cool | 03:41 |
| mkrai | Yes | 03:42 |
| mkrai | about the api to show container engine info | 03:42 |
| hongbin | mkrai: go ahead | 03:42 |
| mkrai | I think we can use the docker info api for each compute node? | 03:42 |
| hongbin | mkrai: i think that is possible | 03:43 |
| mkrai | Actually I am thinking of how it will be implemented | 03:44 |
| mkrai | I will wait for the patch and see | 03:44 |
| hongbin | i think it will be similar as nova hypervisor-show | 03:44 |
| mkrai | Yes it should be | 03:44 |
| hongbin | i saw shunli is taking the bp | 03:45 |
| mkrai | Yes ok let's discuss when Shunli is present | 03:45 |
| kiennt_ | hongbin: I just noticed Shunli's patch set for add volumes_from suppport was abandoned by himself. Why he did that? | 03:45 |
| hongbin | kiennt_: he mentioned in the review that this option won't work for mult-host senario | 03:46 |
| hongbin | multi-host scenario | 03:46 |
| hongbin | for example, if a container in host A, --volume-from container in host B | 03:47 |
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| hongbin | which is the case that it won't work well | 03:48 |
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| hongbin | any other topic? | 03:49 |
| kiennt_ | hongbin: I got it, thank you. I didn't read all comments carefully, my bad. | 03:49 |
| hongbin | kiennt_: np | 03:49 |
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| hongbin | ok, it looks no more question | 03:49 |
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| hongbin | all, thanks for joining the meeting, remember there is no meeting next week | 03:50 |
| hongbin | see you next time | 03:50 |
| hongbin | #endmeeting | 03:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 03:50 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 18 03:50:30 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-07-18-03.00.html | 03:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-07-18-03.00.txt | 03:50 |
| mkrai | Thank you all | 03:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-07-18-03.00.log.html | 03:50 |
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| samP | Hi all for Masakari | 04:00 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | Hi samP | 04:00 |
| samP | #startmeeting masakari | 04:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 18 04:00:19 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is samP. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'masakari' | 04:00 |
| samP | Dinesh_Bhor: hi | 04:00 |
| samP | hi all ..o/ | 04:00 |
| abhishekk | o/ | 04:00 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | hi all | 04:00 |
| samP | let's start | 04:00 |
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| samP | #topic Critical Bugs | 04:01 |
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| samP | Any bugs to discuss? | 04:01 |
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| samP | if not, lets move to Discussion | 04:02 |
| samP | #topic Discussion Points | 04:02 |
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| samP | Dinesh_Bhor: thanks for the remove on_shared_storage patch | 04:02 |
| samP | abhishekk: any updates from nova or Ops about evacuate the "resized" VMs | 04:03 |
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| abhishekk | samP: regarding resize issue I have got reply from Jay Pipes, http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2017-July/013932.html | 04:04 |
| samP | abhishekk: yep | 04:04 |
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| abhishekk | he suggested to revert the resize instead of setting it to error and then do resize again after evacuation | 04:04 |
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| abhishekk | Should we follow this approach? | 04:05 |
| rkmrHonjo | Could we revert the resize when host is down? | 04:05 |
| abhishekk | If yes I have couple of doubts which I have updated on the redmine ticket | 04:06 |
| samP | situation is: destination fail. If we revert it and re do the resize, the no evacuate needed. right? | 04:06 |
| abhishekk | rkmrHonjo: right | 04:06 |
| abhishekk | samP: ^^^ | 04:06 |
| tpatil | when you revert, masakari is not aware whether host A is up or down | 04:07 |
| samP | We could revert it if destination down. do we consider the situation where source host down? | 04:07 |
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| tpatil | if revert is successful, then we should also note down the new flavor used to resize the instance and try resize api again | 04:08 |
| abhishekk | samP: if source host is down then reverting will fail and then can we mark the notification as failure? | 04:09 |
| samP | tpatil: That is true. we have to find which flavor used | 04:09 |
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| samP | abhishekk: mark notification as failure = hand it over to operator? | 04:10 |
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| tpatil | samP: reattempt in periodic task to recover the instance and if its fails again, it will be handed over to the operator | 04:13 |
| samP | I think it is worth considering revert on destination failure as Jay said. | 04:13 |
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| samP | tpatil: thanks. it seems to me, that revert will fail because source node is down, and it will handed over to operator anyway.. | 04:14 |
| tpatil | samP: As per Jay`s suggestion, it's possible to bring the instance to the original state i.e. resized | 04:15 |
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| samP | tpatil: for destination node down: yes | 04:16 |
| samP | tpatil: is it still possible where source node down? | 04:16 |
| tpatil | samP: you are correct, if source compute is down, then it will be handed over to the operator after second attempt | 04:17 |
| samP | tpatil: OK | 04:17 |
| tpatil | abhishekk: correct me if I'm wrong | 04:18 |
| abhishekk | tpatil: you are right | 04:18 |
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| abhishekk | just to confirm, we need to revert the resize if vm state is down and then resize it again with new flavor | 04:20 |
| samP | humm.. before resize confirmed, if source node is down, then simply resize confirm wil move the instance to destination node? | 04:20 |
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| samP | abhishekk: yes | 04:20 |
| tpatil | abhishekk: you mean vm_state is resized, correct? | 04:21 |
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| tpatil | if vm_state is resized, revert and then resize it again with the new flavor | 04:22 |
| abhishekk | tpatil: yes | 04:23 |
| samP | if destination host is down: if vm_state is resized, revert and then resize it again with the new flavor | 04:23 |
| tpatil | abhishekk: ok | 04:23 |
| samP | if destination source is down: mark the notification as failure? | 04:23 |
| tpatil | samP: we cannot can resize confirm because the destination compute host is down and hence masakari got the request to evacuate the instance | 04:24 |
| tpatil | s/can/call | 04:24 |
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| samP | tpatil: sorry, mistake | 04:25 |
| samP | if source host is down: mark the notification as failure? | 04:25 |
| abhishekk | samP: if source is down then we will set the notification as failed so that it will picked by periodic task for second attempt of processing | 04:25 |
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| samP | abhishekk: OK | 04:26 |
| samP | abhishekk: tpatil: thanks | 04:26 |
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| abhishekk | ok, we will make changes as per discussion | 04:27 |
| samP | OK lets proceed with, resize revert and let's see any other points to consider | 04:28 |
| samP | abhishekk: thank you. | 04:28 |
| abhishekk | Honjo san has given comment on api documentation patch, https://review.openstack.org/459516 | 04:29 |
| samP | rkmrHonjo: What it the status of exclude "ERROR" state VMs from rescue | 04:29 |
| samP | abhishekk: about the place for "please use shared storage"? | 04:30 |
| rkmrHonjo | I sent a mail to dev ML. But there were no reactions. | 04:30 |
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| abhishekk | no do not use openstackdocs theme | 04:30 |
| rkmrHonjo | I'll write a bug report(or blueprint) if there were no objections. | 04:30 |
| rkmrHonjo | oops, sorry abhishekk | 04:30 |
| abhishekk | to implement that I need to restructure entire api documentation | 04:31 |
| abhishekk | rkmrHonjo: no problem | 04:31 |
| samP | abhishekk: ah..yes. we can not use openstackdocs theme | 04:31 |
| samP | abhishekk: it is only for official openstack projects | 04:31 |
| abhishekk | samP: I will restructure it | 04:32 |
| samP | abhishekk: sorry... please | 04:32 |
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| samP | abhishekk: at the time we start this work, there were no such strong restrictions. | 04:32 |
| abhishekk | samP: no problem, I will refer glare or blazar documentation for reference | 04:33 |
| samP | abhishekk: sure | 04:33 |
| abhishekk | samP: yes, thats why we have followed nova documentation | 04:33 |
| abhishekk | that's it we can move to next point | 04:34 |
| samP | abhishekk: ok. lets remove that theme | 04:34 |
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| samP | abhishekk: thanks | 04:34 |
| samP | rkmrHonjo: sorry, I missed your mail. | 04:34 |
| samP | rkmrHonjo: I will replay it soon. | 04:34 |
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| rkmrHonjo | samP: NP. thanks. | 04:35 |
| samP | rkmrHonjo: I think we do not need BP for this. lets discuss in the ML and, then we could agree on how to fix this. | 04:35 |
| rkmrHonjo | samP: OK. I agree. | 04:36 |
| samP | About recovery method customization | 04:37 |
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| abhishekk | needs review on spec | 04:38 |
| samP | abhishekk: thank you for new patch set. No reply from Mistral. I will review the specs | 04:38 |
| abhishekk | samP: thank you | 04:38 |
| samP | Add db purge support looks good. thanks for the review.. | 04:39 |
| samP | I will approve this soon. | 04:40 |
| samP | thanks. | 04:40 |
| samP | In the pike work items, my items are still pending.. | 04:41 |
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| samP | I will push them soon, sorry for the delay. | 04:41 |
| samP | Other specs are under review and I will process them.. | 04:42 |
| samP | Any other things to discuss on specs? | 04:43 |
| abhishekk | no | 04:43 |
| rkmrHonjo | no | 04:43 |
| sagara | prevent from flapping is not yet | 04:43 |
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| samP | sagara: I cant remember the conclusion of our last discussion on "prevent from Flapping" | 04:45 |
| samP | sagara: is this still valid proposal? | 04:45 |
| samP | sagara: due to new masakari architecture, I think we agree to reconfirm the validity of this feature | 04:46 |
| sagara | samP: OK, I see, Please rethink it together | 04:47 |
| samP | sagara: If it is still valid, then please proceed with the proposal.. | 04:47 |
| samP | sagara: sure.. | 04:48 |
| samP | #topic AOB | 04:48 |
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| samP | Any other topics to discuss? | 04:48 |
| samP | I submit 2 presentations on VMHA to summit. | 04:49 |
| samP | one with Adam@Suse and other one by myself.. | 04:49 |
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| abhishekk | great | 04:50 |
| samP | There is another panel discussion proposal on openstack HA | 04:50 |
| samP | I couldn't put my name on that due to limit exceed. | 04:51 |
| samP | However, if it will up, then I may have ask some of us to attend to that panel as speaker | 04:52 |
| samP | I will let you all know.. | 04:52 |
| samP | s/may have/will/ | 04:52 |
| tpatil | samＰ:Ｓｕｒｅ | 04:53 |
| samP | Thatz all from my side | 04:53 |
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| samP | if no other topics to discuss, then lets finish the meeting. | 04:54 |
| abhishekk | ok | 04:54 |
| samP | please use #openstack-masakari or ML with [masakari] for extended discussions.. | 04:54 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | This seems intresting to note from masakari side: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/462521/ | 04:54 |
| samP | Dinesh_Bhor: thanks.. this is interesting.. | 04:56 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | I will keep watch on this | 04:56 |
| rkmrHonjo | ah. Live migration already has rollback action. That patch will implement rollback action to cold migration/resize. | 04:56 |
| rkmrHonjo | rollback action=revert | 04:56 |
| samP | Dinesh_Bhor: thanks.. let watch this. | 04:57 |
| samP | OK then... if nothing else..let's endmeeting | 04:58 |
| samP | Thank you all.... | 04:58 |
| rkmrHonjo | thank you. | 04:58 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | thanks to all | 04:58 |
| samP | #endmeeting | 04:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 18 04:58:56 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 04:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-07-18-04.00.html | 04:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-07-18-04.00.txt | 04:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-07-18-04.00.log.html | 04:59 |
| rkmrHonjo | bye. | 04:59 |
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| yuval | #startmeeting karbor | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 18 09:00:18 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yuval. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: karbor)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'karbor' | 09:00 |
| yuval | Hello and welcome to Karbor's bi-weekly meeting | 09:00 |
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| yuval | We have only a few things on the agenda | 09:01 |
| yuval | Waiting a bit for people to arrive | 09:01 |
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| chenying | hi | 09:03 |
| jiaopengju | hi | 09:03 |
| yuval | #info chenying, jiaopengju in meeting | 09:03 |
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| yuval | zhonghua: coming? | 09:04 |
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| yuval | chenying: will chenzeng join us? | 09:05 |
| zhonghua | hi | 09:05 |
| zhonghua | sorry to be late | 09:05 |
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| yuval | zhonghua: will chenzeng join us? | 09:06 |
| zhonghua | I think he will join later | 09:06 |
| yuval | alright, let's begin | 09:06 |
| zengchen | i am here | 09:06 |
| yuval | #topic Freezer integration | 09:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Freezer integration (Meeting topic: karbor)" | 09:06 | |
| yuval | #info zhonghua, zengchen in meeting | 09:07 |
| jiaopengju | I have added this agenda | 09:07 |
| yuval | jiaopengju: have you added this item? | 09:07 |
| yuval | jiaopengju: righ | 09:07 |
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| chenying | jiaopengju want to do this work about Freezer integration in queens of karbor. | 09:08 |
| jiaopengju | I think we can make this as a solution to support backup more resources. | 09:08 |
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| yuval | yes, that's on the roadmap | 09:09 |
| yuval | very good | 09:09 |
| yuval | jiaopengju: would you like to elaborate? | 09:09 |
| chenying | so do we need discuss the solution or the scope about freezer integration? | 09:10 |
| jiaopengju | yuval: I think we can see Freezer as a backup/restore software | 09:11 |
| chenying | what resources about freezer protection should be integrate with karbor? | 09:12 |
| yuval | jiaopengju: I agree. One of the things we discussed, is that Freezer can be used for protecting volumes, but protecting files is trickier | 09:12 |
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| chenying | as we know, now freezer can backup volume, vm , file, db(also file). | 09:13 |
| jiaopengju | yuval: Yes | 09:13 |
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| chenying | yuval 'but protecting files is trickier' yuval, you know too much. :D | 09:13 |
| yuval | chenying: lol? | 09:14 |
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| yuval | chenying: :) | 09:14 |
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| yuval | chenying: we had so many discussions about that | 09:14 |
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| jiaopengju | yuval chenying: I will write a specs documentation to make it clear of freezer integration | 09:15 |
| yuval | jiaopengju: great | 09:16 |
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| chenying | jiaopengju sound good. | 09:17 |
| yuval | jiaopengju: anything else you'd like to discuss regarding freezer integration? | 09:17 |
| chenying | I have only one quesiton, do we need cover file backup of freezer? | 09:18 |
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| chenying | do we need consider ntegrating file backup of freezer? | 09:18 |
| chenying | jiaopengju What's your oppion about it? | 09:19 |
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| jiaopengju | yuval chenying: File is just one resource in freezer, after freezer integration, karbor do not need to interactive with the file resource. So I think it is ok to cover the file backup | 09:20 |
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| yuval | jiaopengju: I don't think I understand. Karbor is protecting protectables. In order to protect files, we need a file protectable, which is one of the tricky aspects | 09:21 |
| chenying | jiaopengju You mean that you will provider a common frezer plugins, can support all the protectable resources in freezer? | 09:22 |
| jiaopengju | chenying: yes | 09:23 |
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| yuval | jiaopengju: so, we are not speaking about adding new protectable plugins for that, right? | 09:24 |
| chenying | yuval: That is what I worry about. a file protectables make me confused. | 09:25 |
| jiaopengju | yuval: yes, i think we can consider volume, instance in first step | 09:26 |
| yuval | jiaopengju: great! | 09:26 |
| yuval | #topic Pike Schedule | 09:27 |
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| yuval | #link https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html | 09:28 |
| yuval | next week is the Pike-3 milestone | 09:28 |
| yuval | together with final release for client libraries | 09:28 |
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| yuval | this means we will do another karborclient release in the beginning of the week | 09:29 |
| yuval | and update the requirements in dashboard and karbor | 09:29 |
| chenying | so operation log api need be included in karborclient before release. | 09:30 |
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| yuval | chenying: yes | 09:30 |
| jiaopengju | shoud the swift full listing be included? | 09:31 |
| yuval | jiaopengju: full listing is in karbor, not in karborclient | 09:31 |
| yuval | jiaopengju: if I recall correctly | 09:32 |
| chenying | jiaopengju: karborclient is released before karbor. | 09:32 |
| jiaopengju | yuval karborclient need also to be updated. | 09:32 |
| yuval | jiaopengju: hows that? | 09:32 |
| jiaopengju | yuval the checkpoint list api | 09:33 |
| yuval | jiaopengju: the checkpoint list api will retain the pagination | 09:33 |
| chenying | jiaopengju: You mean that there may be some change about karborclint with full listing? | 09:34 |
| jiaopengju | yuval: yes, you mean do the pagination in karbor, not in the dashboard? | 09:34 |
| yuval | jiaopengju: we will not change the API, but we could mark the pagination arguments as 'deprecated' | 09:34 |
| jiaopengju | chenying: maybe yes. but as yuval said, I think we can make it maintain current status. | 09:35 |
| yuval | jiaopengju: the idea is to maintain checkpoint indexing out of the bank as well | 09:36 |
| yuval | jiaopengju: so we should keep the checkpoint pagination in the api | 09:36 |
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| jiaopengju | yuval: ok | 09:37 |
| yuval | jiaopengju: even if we wanted to make changes to the API, it is to late in | 09:37 |
| yuval | jiaopengju: Pike for that | 09:38 |
| jiaopengju | yuval: agree | 09:38 |
| yuval | Alright, last one before open discussion | 09:39 |
| yuval | #topic Queens Goals | 09:39 |
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| yuval | #link https://ethercalc.openstack.org/karbor-queens | 09:39 |
| yuval | Let's start brainstorming about Queens goals | 09:40 |
| yuval | Please add your ideas (with your name by items) to that ethercalc | 09:40 |
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| yuval | We will review it just before the beginning of the next cycle, assign priorities and people | 09:41 |
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| yuval | #topic Open Discussion | 09:41 |
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| yuval | anything else? | 09:41 |
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| chenying | yuval I see you have submmited a patch about 'dsvm gate prepare' in trove? It means that only the patch being merged, then you can start the patch about trove integration jenkins job? | 09:42 |
| yuval | chenying: no point in sending a patch to project-config before trove guys will agree to this patch | 09:43 |
| chenying | I see. Hope it can be merged to trove ASAP. | 09:44 |
| yuval | chenying: me too | 09:45 |
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| yuval | thank you all for attending | 09:45 |
| yuval | #endmeeting | 09:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 09:45 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 18 09:45:41 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/karbor/2017/karbor.2017-07-18-09.00.html | 09:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/karbor/2017/karbor.2017-07-18-09.00.txt | 09:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/karbor/2017/karbor.2017-07-18-09.00.log.html | 09:45 |
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| Qiming | #startmeeting senlin | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 18 13:00:52 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Qiming. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'senlin' | 13:00 |
| Qiming | hello? | 13:02 |
| Ruijie_ | hi Qiming | 13:02 |
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| Qiming | hi, Ruijie_ | 13:03 |
| Qiming | let's see if others are joining | 13:04 |
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| Qiming | Ruijie_, next week would be p-3 milestone, are you aware of any high priority bugs to fix? | 13:05 |
| Ruijie_ | no Qiming, the support for recovery action in lb policy had been done | 13:05 |
| Qiming | great | 13:06 |
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| Ruijie_ | Oh, another thing is about the deletion process of cluster recover action | 13:07 |
| Ruijie_ | that still need to be improved | 13:07 |
| Qiming | okay | 13:07 |
| Qiming | can we get that landed in this week? | 13:07 |
| Ruijie_ | I am afraid not Qiming ..:( | 13:08 |
| Qiming | I don't have high priority work items before p-3 release | 13:08 |
| Qiming | okay | 13:08 |
| Qiming | have you submitted a talk proposal for the sydney summit? | 13:09 |
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| Ruijie_ | I am with you Qiming :) | 13:09 |
| Ruijie_ | about managing clearwater clusters | 13:09 |
| Qiming | I know xinhui and xuefeng have each submitted topics | 13:10 |
| Qiming | elynn submitted one also | 13:10 |
| Qiming | my top priority in the near term is about federated kubernetes clusters | 13:10 |
| Ruijie_ | I am not sure, xinhui, me and you are in the NFV: clearwater .. proposal | 13:11 |
| Qiming | okay | 13:11 |
| Ruijie_ | I can do the poc job for that since elynn already submitted the VDU profile | 13:11 |
| Qiming | I see | 13:12 |
| Qiming | I'll be doing k8s + senlin integration | 13:12 |
| Qiming | I know many of you have expressed interests in this as well | 13:12 |
| Ruijie_ | that's great | 13:12 |
| Qiming | just not sure how to frame this work | 13:12 |
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| Qiming | I think elynn might have started looking into standing up vms with scripts for k8s install | 13:13 |
| Ruijie_ | hope you can sync that with us, that topic is interesting | 13:14 |
| Qiming | I'm looking from the other side, getting it up and summarize what we can do to make things easy to reproduce | 13:14 |
| Qiming | it is not a talk for the summit | 13:14 |
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| Qiming | I'm doing that for real-life workload | 13:14 |
| Qiming | seems elynn has 15 minutes jet-lag from us, :) | 13:15 |
| elynn | Hi, sorry about late, just trapped in another meeting. | 13:15 |
| Qiming | hello sir | 13:15 |
| Qiming | we were talking about k8s on senlin | 13:15 |
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| elynn | ooo, anything important I missed? | 13:16 |
| Qiming | <Qiming> I think elynn might have started looking into standing up vms with scripts for k8s install | 13:16 |
| Qiming | <Qiming> I'm looking from the other side, getting it up and summarize what we can do to make things easy to reproduce | 13:16 |
| Qiming | I think XueFeng and friends are interested in this as well | 13:17 |
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| elynn | Yes, XueFeng discuss this with me last week, and He said he could find some colleagues to help if available. | 13:17 |
| elynn | I'm still thinking about how to setup a k8s | 13:18 |
| elynn | Basically we will have two clusters, one for k8s masters and one for k8s nodes, right? | 13:18 |
| elynn | Am I lost connection again? | 13:19 |
| Qiming | master node doesn't have to be a separate cluster, a cluster is needed only for HA setup | 13:19 |
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| Ruijie_ | all the nodes belong to one cluster? | 13:19 |
| Qiming | on master nodes, you install apiserver, controller-manager, scheduler, and dns | 13:20 |
| Qiming | on all worker nodes, you install kubelet and kube-proxy | 13:20 |
| Qiming | these are the basics | 13:20 |
| elynn | how do we distinguish the master and worker node if all in one cluster? | 13:20 |
| Qiming | Ruijie_, I'm afraid not | 13:20 |
| elynn | Like scale up and down operations.. | 13:21 |
| Qiming | if you do, we distinguish them by 'role' | 13:21 |
| elynn | Policies doesn't respect 'role' for now, I guess? | 13:21 |
| Qiming | u r rt, elynn | 13:22 |
| Qiming | and ... I don't see clear benefits having master node and workers live in the same senlin cluster | 13:22 |
| elynn | So your proposal is ... one master node and a cluster of worker nodes? | 13:23 |
| Qiming | however, if we have a master 'cluster' and a node 'cluster', we will need to synchronize quite some things between the two | 13:23 |
| Qiming | that is a dilemma | 13:24 |
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| elynn | I'm still confused here... | 13:25 |
| Qiming | basically, some network settings, authentication data should be shared from the apiserver to all kubelets | 13:27 |
| Qiming | kubelets don't have to know each other | 13:27 |
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| elynn | Okay, I got your point, from your perspective , make this as simple as possible | 13:28 |
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| Qiming | yes | 13:28 |
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| elynn | Deploy a cluster, then user will get a k8s cluster later. | 13:28 |
| Qiming | we can postpone advanced features later, such as tls bootstrap ... | 13:29 |
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| elynn | But many details need to figure out. | 13:29 |
| Qiming | yes | 13:29 |
| elynn | I think kubeadm is a good start? | 13:29 |
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| Qiming | kubeadm is very limited | 13:29 |
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| Qiming | it encapsulates too many things | 13:29 |
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| Qiming | but ... you are right, it can be a starting point | 13:30 |
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| Qiming | maybe just run 'kubeadm init' on master with a predefined token | 13:30 |
| elynn | That's only for tools part, we still need to solve how to share configuration info between nodes in a cluster | 13:30 |
| Qiming | at the same time, run 'kubeadm join' on all other nodes with the same token | 13:31 |
| elynn | And how to pass it to user-data, etc... | 13:31 |
| Qiming | em, right | 13:31 |
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| elynn | Since only vdu profile in contrib folder support passing parameters to user-data... | 13:31 |
| Qiming | I don't want to use any vendor specific tools | 13:32 |
| elynn | And also how to avoid deleting master node in cluster.. | 13:32 |
| Qiming | cluster should be operatable if masters are gone .. | 13:32 |
| Qiming | although no new resources can be created, :) | 13:33 |
| Qiming | so ... ideally, master nodes should be a separate cluster | 13:33 |
| Qiming | in the future we can even move etcd out to a third cluster | 13:33 |
| elynn | I know your concern, eventually we will have some scripts to setup k8s if that is ... I have enough time to implement such a script.. | 13:34 |
| Qiming | then ... we will need the inter-cluster dependencies properly | 13:34 |
| Qiming | oh really | 13:34 |
| elynn | Do you suggest we start from HA mode or just a single master node? | 13:35 |
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| Qiming | just a single could be fine | 13:35 |
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| Qiming | I was thinking about a kube-master profile type and a kube-worker profile | 13:35 |
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| elynn | O? New profile? | 13:36 |
| elynn | Sounds good actually. | 13:36 |
| Qiming | these kinds of nodes have a lot of things to do upon bare VM | 13:37 |
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| Qiming | implementation wise we can subclass Server | 13:37 |
| elynn | Yes, agree | 13:37 |
| Qiming | this way we can quickly stand up something | 13:37 |
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| Qiming | and that "something" won't become garbage soon | 13:38 |
| elynn | And we can put them in contrib folder firstly? | 13:38 |
| Qiming | we can gradually expose properties when there is a need | 13:38 |
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| Qiming | sure | 13:38 |
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| Qiming | ideally, here would be what you can deploy a k8s with senlin | 13:39 |
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| elynn | Do you think what kind of properties we can expose for now? | 13:39 |
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| Qiming | openstack cluster create --profile master.k8s --count 3 my_master | 13:40 |
| elynn | Hi XueFeng | 13:40 |
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| XueFeng | hi | 13:40 |
| XueFeng | elynn | 13:40 |
| XueFeng | hi, all | 13:40 |
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| elynn | We are talking about k8s now. | 13:41 |
| Qiming | openstack cluster create --profile worker.k8s --count 5 --metadata "master=my_master" my_workers | 13:41 |
| XueFeng | ok | 13:41 |
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| elynn | Sounds doable. | 13:41 |
| Ruijie_ | clusters need to talk to each other? | 13:41 |
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| Qiming | workers need to know master's api | 13:42 |
| Qiming | if you do TLS, you will need their key-pairs etc, you will need to know their cidr configurations etc | 13:42 |
| Qiming | it is a one way depenency | 13:42 |
| Ruijie_ | em.. okay Qiming, that makes sense. How about the monitor for the workers? | 13:44 |
| elynn | I would suggest we expose those kind of configurations to properties, what do you think? | 13:44 |
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| XueFeng | Just come back, sorry for late. Let me see the log http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2017/senlin.2017-07-18-13.00.log.txt | 13:44 |
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| Qiming | monitors, loggings, kernel optimization ... etc can be added to the worker.k8s profile later | 13:45 |
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| Qiming | elynn, we can add properties one by one | 13:46 |
| Qiming | if we expose a hundred properties at the very beginning, ... the framework will fall apart pretty soon | 13:47 |
| elynn | yes, yes | 13:48 |
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| Qiming | the challenge, though, is about the details | 13:48 |
| elynn | Speaking about monitors, that reminds me that we might need to control the sequence of scripts between workers and masters... | 13:48 |
| Qiming | things work differently when you are using ubuntu or fedora ... | 13:48 |
| Qiming | elynn, there is no such need | 13:49 |
| Qiming | they will be able to "find" each other | 13:49 |
| elynn | Deploy master -> deploy workers -> deploy monitor yaml on master ? | 13:49 |
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| Qiming | oh, no | 13:49 |
| Qiming | don't introduce circular dependency | 13:50 |
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| Qiming | we have to do this in one pass | 13:50 |
| Qiming | if you want monitoring, deploy it with your master components on master nodes | 13:51 |
| Qiming | or you can add them later by upgrading the master node cluster | 13:51 |
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| elynn | The devil is in the detail.. | 13:52 |
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| Qiming | yes | 13:52 |
| elynn | I can record it in my notes and think about it later. | 13:52 |
| XueFeng | So we will add kube-master profile type and a kube-worker profile? | 13:53 |
| elynn | For image, I would suggest we start from ubuntu? | 13:53 |
| elynn | Details again, how can we limit the image they used...like os version, 14.04 or 16.04... | 13:53 |
| Qiming | agree | 13:53 |
| Qiming | don't want to reinstall my local machines, :) | 13:54 |
| Qiming | the most annoying thing is about os distros | 13:54 |
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| Qiming | I believe we can start from one of them say ubuntu16.04 | 13:55 |
| Qiming | then extend to other distros later | 13:55 |
| XueFeng | I think the docker deamon version is limited | 13:55 |
| Qiming | most version above 1.12 should work | 13:56 |
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| XueFeng | For vm 1404 is not suggest to support | 13:57 |
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| XueFeng | ub14.04 | 13:57 |
| Qiming | yes, it is ... history now | 13:57 |
| XueFeng | So first support in 16.04 is ok | 13:57 |
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| Ruijie_ | .....just change to 16.04 these days .. | 13:58 |
| Qiming | there are more to design/implement regarding network and storage | 13:58 |
| elynn | Silently shutdown the VM in script if we don't support it ;) | 13:58 |
| Ruijie_ | hahha | 13:59 |
| Ruijie_ | I can do some work if needed | 13:59 |
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| Qiming | alright | 13:59 |
| elynn | About network and storage, what do you suggest? Qiming | 13:59 |
| Qiming | time's up guys | 13:59 |
| Qiming | thanks for joining | 14:00 |
| elynn | Okay... | 14:00 |
| Qiming | pls switch to #senlin | 14:00 |
| Qiming | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 18 14:00:10 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2017/senlin.2017-07-18-13.00.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2017/senlin.2017-07-18-13.00.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2017/senlin.2017-07-18-13.00.log.html | 14:00 |
| jlibosva | #startmeeting networking | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 18 14:00:19 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jlibosva. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 14:00 |
| jlibosva | hi everyone! | 14:00 |
| boden | howdy | 14:00 |
| jlibosva | we're gonna do neutron-lib first today :) | 14:00 |
| jlibosva | #topic neutron-lib | 14:00 |
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| jlibosva | boden: hello :) | 14:00 |
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| emagana | hello all networking folks! | 14:00 |
| jlibosva | emagana: welcome! | 14:01 |
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| boden | hi, and thanks for beng flexible on the time slot for lib | 14:01 |
| boden | only 1 thing I want to mention quick | 14:01 |
| trevormc | o/ | 14:01 |
| hichihara | hi | 14:01 |
| hoangcx_ | o/ | 14:01 |
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| boden | last week we discussed a new release for neutron-lib… 1.8.0 got released over the weekend perhaps a little too quickly | 14:01 |
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| boden | so we are proposing a 1.9.0 to pick up some of the latest changes | 14:02 |
| emagana | jlibosva: Just stopping by to read what's going on. It has been a while :-) | 14:02 |
| boden | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/484475/ | 14:02 |
| boden | feel free to weigh in on that patch if you have comments | 14:02 |
| emagana | maybe I could start fixing some bugs.. anything about typos.. that's my style! | 14:02 |
| jlibosva | boden: is there gonna be yet another release before pike m3 cut? | 14:02 |
| boden | I think this week is our deadline, so I’m hoping not | 14:02 |
| jlibosva | ok :-/ | 14:03 |
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| boden | that’s really all I have.. otehr than thanks to all who have been helping with lib :) | 14:03 |
| jlibosva | boden: thanks for updates | 14:03 |
| amotoki | for clarification, this week is a last moment for release for non-client libs and neutron-lib is one of them. | 14:03 |
| amotoki | (as boden and jlibosva already said so) | 14:04 |
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| jlibosva | let's move to announcements then | 14:04 |
| jlibosva | #topic announcements | 14:04 |
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| jlibosva | so what amotoki said above :) this week is a deadline for releases of non-client libs | 14:05 |
| jlibosva | I don't have any announcements | 14:05 |
| jlibosva | does anybody have any? | 14:05 |
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| jlibosva | let's move on then | 14:06 |
| jlibosva | #topic blueprints | 14:06 |
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| jlibosva | does anybody have a blueprint that requires attention? | 14:06 |
| jlibosva | if not, I have one :) | 14:06 |
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| jlibosva | I'm working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1580880 | 14:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1580880 in neutron "[RFE] Distributed Portbinding for all port types" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Jakub Libosvar (libosvar) | 14:07 |
| jlibosva | which requires an api definition to neutron-lib https://review.openstack.org/#/c/484389/3 | 14:07 |
| jlibosva | thanks boden and hichihara for being very quick at reviewing | 14:07 |
| jlibosva | boden: hichihara do you think it has a chance to get into 1.9.0 proposed release? | 14:07 |
| hichihara | jlibosva: Of course | 14:08 |
| jlibosva | I'll try to address comments between this mtg and neutron CI | 14:08 |
| jlibosva | hichihara: ok, thanks. Stay tuned ;) | 14:08 |
| hichihara | jlibosva: I'll review quickly if you push new version | 14:08 |
| jlibosva | hichihara: great, thank you very much | 14:09 |
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| jlibosva | does anybody have any other bp or wants to raise a flag ? | 14:09 |
| amotoki | even if we cannot make it in neutron-lib, I think we can ship some feature in neutron (by having the API definition in neutron repo) | 14:09 |
| jlibosva | alright | 14:10 |
| hichihara | I think so | 14:10 |
| jlibosva | I hope for the best and will try to make it to lib | 14:10 |
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| amotoki | totally agree | 14:10 |
| hoangcx_ | jlibosva: Just FYI, All necessary patches for logging are ready for review: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bug/1468366+AND+status:open | 14:10 |
| jlibosva | unless nobody has anything regarding blueprints we can jump to next topic | 14:10 |
| jlibosva | hoangcx_: thanks, does it get proper attention? | 14:11 |
| hoangcx_ | jlibosva: Yeah, I think so :-) | 14:11 |
| jlibosva | hoangcx_: not just from me (I know it doesn't) | 14:11 |
| jlibosva | hoangcx_: thanks for bringing this up | 14:11 |
| annp | hoangcx_: thank a lot for bring it. | 14:11 |
| jlibosva | ok, let's move on | 14:12 |
| jlibosva | #topic Bugs and gate failures | 14:12 |
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| jlibosva | looking at logs from last team meeting I think kevinbenton was a bug deputy? | 14:13 |
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| hichihara | Right | 14:13 |
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| jlibosva | there were only a few bugs reported | 14:14 |
| jlibosva | I think this is worth to mention here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1704000 | 14:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1704000 in neutron "Sometimes OVO unit tests clash on non-unique attributes" [High,Confirmed] | 14:14 |
| jlibosva | it's a gate-failure in unittests without any owner | 14:14 |
| jlibosva | Ihar already provided some hint on the fix | 14:14 |
| jlibosva | does anybody want to take care of this one? | 14:14 |
| jlibosva | nobody? :) | 14:15 |
| jlibosva | ok, if I find some cycles, I'll try to craft some patch | 14:16 |
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| jlibosva | I noticed last week gate wasn't really stable, mostly failing on volume operations (which is not really Neutron). Does anybody know any details about such failures | 14:17 |
| jlibosva | also graphana doesn't look nice, we'll probably talk about that later today at Neutron CI meeting in ~2 hours | 14:17 |
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| * jlibosva feels alone here | 14:18 | |
| hichihara | I saw similar failure too | 14:19 |
| hichihara | I reported one bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1703512 I noticed | 14:19 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1703512 in Cinder "tempest.api.volume.test_volumes_snapshots.VolumesSnapshotTestJSON failed" [Undecided,New] | 14:19 |
| jlibosva | hichihara: cool! thanks :) | 14:19 |
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| trevormc | yeah I also saw the same failures. | 14:20 |
| hichihara | I believe cinder guy will catch it... | 14:20 |
| jlibosva | if that reproduces, we can send a patch to elastic recheck to get some stats about hits | 14:20 |
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| jlibosva | we don't have a deputy for this week | 14:21 |
| jlibosva | do we have any volunteers in the room? | 14:21 |
| amotoki | I also see a frequent failure of gate-neutron-dsvm-functional-ubuntu-xenial in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468262/ | 14:21 |
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| amotoki | is it related to a bug we discuss here? | 14:21 |
| -amotoki- does not think so as it is a part of the functest | 14:22 | |
| jlibosva | amotoki: you mean in CI results on that patch? | 14:22 |
| amotoki | jlibosva: yes | 14:22 |
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| amotoki | it is just tempest decorator change, but it requires four rechecks before the merge | 14:22 |
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| trevormc | I'm seeing tempest.api.compute.servers.test_device_tagging.DeviceTaggingTestV2_42.test_device_tagging failing on ps4 | 14:23 |
| amotoki | 'four' looks wrong. it required more | 14:23 |
| jlibosva | amotoki: do you have an example? | 14:23 |
| amotoki | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468262/ | 14:23 |
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| amotoki | I haven't investigated which test(s) failed | 14:23 |
| jlibosva | I'm trying to find some failed functional job | 14:24 |
| amotoki | it might be a good example | 14:25 |
| hichihara | A failure looks like test_firewall on the patch http://logs.openstack.org/62/468262/4/gate/gate-neutron-dsvm-functional-ubuntu-xenial/d289223/testr_results.html.gz | 14:25 |
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| hichihara | I think that we need bug report | 14:25 |
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| amotoki | which of our three would like to file a report? | 14:26 |
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| jlibosva | oh, I think I saw some failures where killing nc wasn't successful or something | 14:26 |
| jlibosva | cause process was probably gone | 14:27 |
| ihrachys | I triaged all late failures in func tests: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-functional-gate-failures-july | 14:27 |
| ihrachys | it's basically job timeouts, and firewall test | 14:27 |
| ihrachys | could be same thing | 14:27 |
| jlibosva | ihrachys: cool! | 14:27 |
| jlibosva | the amount of failures, not cool :-/ | 14:27 |
| ihrachys | yeah, it's just gate failures | 14:27 |
| ihrachys | no check queue | 14:27 |
| amotoki | perhaps ihrachys knows all | 14:27 |
| ihrachys | since a week | 14:27 |
| jlibosva | weird, firewall tests should be perfect :-P | 14:27 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, weird right??? | 14:28 |
| ihrachys | :) | 14:28 |
| hichihara | I see | 14:28 |
| ihrachys | something brings workers down | 14:28 |
| jlibosva | was there any update of ubuntu perhaps? | 14:28 |
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| ihrachys | I see 'Killed' in console | 14:29 |
| ihrachys | wondering if it may be smth like a memory exhaustion | 14:29 |
| ihrachys | I am not aware of OS update | 14:29 |
| jlibosva | ihrachys: are there any LP bugs related? | 14:30 |
| jlibosva | for both issues | 14:30 |
| ihrachys | no I was going to report them now | 14:31 |
| jlibosva | ok, thanks | 14:31 |
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| ihrachys | but then learned there is a meeting :-x | 14:31 |
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| jlibosva | sorry for the news :) | 14:32 |
| jlibosva | I'll look at the firewall failures | 14:32 |
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| jlibosva | I experienced something similar during development of those where closing connection on client ended nc listening process on the other side | 14:32 |
| jlibosva | but that was because of missing parameter | 14:33 |
| jlibosva | maybe there was a change in nc, anyway, I'll try to look at it | 14:33 |
| jlibosva | any other failures? | 14:33 |
| ihrachys | I would think that whatever nc issue is about, the larger issue is test runner dying ungracefully | 14:33 |
| ihrachys | if you mean gate, I am not aware of anything else pressing. there was that cinder streak of breakages but that should be tackled now. | 14:34 |
| jlibosva | ihrachys: do you have any lp handy? | 14:34 |
| jlibosva | ihrachys: hichihara opened a bug against it | 14:34 |
| ihrachys | for cinder? | 14:34 |
| jlibosva | maybe it's a dup | 14:34 |
| jlibosva | ihrachys: yep | 14:34 |
| jlibosva | ihrachys: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1703512 | 14:34 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1703512 in Cinder "tempest.api.volume.test_volumes_snapshots.VolumesSnapshotTestJSON failed" [Undecided,New] | 14:34 |
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| ihrachys | sec | 14:35 |
| ihrachys | I think it was 'fixed' with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/484019/ | 14:36 |
| ihrachys | v | 14:36 |
| ihrachys | https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1694509 | 14:36 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1694509 in tooz "eventlet errors and cannot switch to a different thread" [High,Confirmed] | 14:36 |
| ihrachys | they are still looking for a proper fix | 14:36 |
| ihrachys | but for now, we just blocked the release of tooz | 14:37 |
| jlibosva | ok, thanks. I left a comment the 1703512 to not forget | 14:37 |
| jlibosva | Let's move on | 14:37 |
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| jlibosva | I don't see mlavalle here | 14:37 |
| jlibosva | so maybe we skip docs topic unless somebody has anything to say | 14:38 |
| amotoki | jlibosva: do you want to cover the doc stuff? | 14:38 |
| jlibosva | amotoki: yep, do you have anything? | 14:38 |
| amotoki | thanks all for moving doc-migration stuffs forward fast. | 14:38 |
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| jlibosva | #topic docs | 14:38 |
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| amotoki | in the neutron repo, we have very good progress in doc-migration effort. | 14:39 |
| amotoki | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:doc-migration | 14:39 |
| amotoki | these three are remaining stuffs. | 14:39 |
| amotoki | as neutron stadium, we have several things remaining. | 14:40 |
| amotoki | stadium projects needs to do similar things. | 14:40 |
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| amotoki | I am working closely with the docs team and will send the status report and some reminder tomorrow. | 14:41 |
| amotoki | generally we have good progresses :) | 14:41 |
| amotoki | that's from me | 14:41 |
| jlibosva | amotoki: good, thanks for updates | 14:41 |
| jlibosva | #topic Transition to OSC | 14:42 |
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| jlibosva | amotoki: hi :) | 14:42 |
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| amotoki | regarding OSC, we don't have progress from several weeks ago but we have only two things remaining | 14:43 |
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| amotoki | tag support and L3 agent support | 14:43 |
| amotoki | both got +2 from one OSC core and need a few comment to be addressed. | 14:43 |
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| amotoki | so I think we can have both in pike release. I will take care of them | 14:43 |
| amotoki | it is in the OSC side. | 14:44 |
| jlibosva | awesome :) | 14:44 |
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| amotoki | in the neutronclient repo side, we have several OSC support reviews from the stadium projects. | 14:44 |
| amotoki | I think SFC support is close to merge. | 14:45 |
| amotoki | dynamic-routing stuff is another candidate but needs some more reviews. | 14:45 |
| amotoki | I will take care of it this week. | 14:45 |
| amotoki | another announcement is neutronclient has the same feature freeze next week. | 14:46 |
| hoangcx_ | amotoki: logging is also ready for your revisit :-) | 14:46 |
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| amotoki | hoangcx_: it needs to be along with the main stuff in the neutron repo. | 14:46 |
| jlibosva | amotoki: also I have a client patch for multiple port bindings rfe :) | 14:47 |
| jlibosva | just reminding myself | 14:47 |
| hoangcx_ | amotoki: Understood | 14:47 |
| amotoki | I think we consider neutronclient patches if we think neutron patches are close to be merged. | 14:47 |
| jlibosva | makes sense | 14:48 |
| amotoki | we can quickly merge them once corresponding neutron patches get in shape. | 14:48 |
| amotoki | feel free to ping me then | 14:49 |
| jlibosva | alright, thanks amotoki | 14:49 |
| jlibosva | and thanks for updates | 14:49 |
| hoangcx_ | amotoki: Thanks | 14:49 |
| jlibosva | #topic open discussion | 14:49 |
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| jlibosva | I don't see any specific topic in the wiki | 14:49 |
| jlibosva | does anybody have a topic to discuss here, we have 10 minutes | 14:49 |
| jlibosva | if not, we can end earlier and do some quality coding/reviewing ;) | 14:50 |
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| amotoki | do we start to gather PTG topics? I haven't checked the recent neutron meetings. | 14:50 |
| jlibosva | oh, I haven't seen any email from kevin | 14:51 |
| jlibosva | ihrachys: ^^ do you know? | 14:51 |
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| jlibosva | and nothing in previous two meetings | 14:52 |
| amotoki | we have two months to PTG and enough time. it is just a question. | 14:52 |
| jlibosva | so I think we havent' started yet | 14:53 |
| jlibosva | I noticed we have reserved the XL room there, so that's nice :) | 14:53 |
| jlibosva | ok, if there is nothing else, then we can end this meeting | 14:54 |
| jlibosva | thanks all for coming! :) | 14:54 |
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| jlibosva | #endmeeting | 14:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 18 14:54:34 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2017/networking.2017-07-18-14.00.html | 14:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2017/networking.2017-07-18-14.00.txt | 14:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2017/networking.2017-07-18-14.00.log.html | 14:54 |
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| annp_ | thanks and bye. | 14:55 |
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| ralonsoh | #startmeeting neutron_qos | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 18 15:00:54 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ralonsoh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_qos)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_qos' | 15:00 |
| ralonsoh | Hello | 15:00 |
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| ralonsoh | I'll wait one more minute to start the meeting | 15:01 |
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| reedip_ | hi ralonsoh | 15:02 |
| ralonsoh | reedip_ hi | 15:02 |
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| ralonsoh | ok, slaweq is on annual leave | 15:02 |
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| ralonsoh | and he is the most active developer now in QoS | 15:03 |
| ralonsoh | #topic RFEs | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RFEs (Meeting topic: neutron_qos)" | 15:03 | |
| davidsha | Hi | 15:03 |
| ralonsoh | hi davidsha | 15:03 |
| ralonsoh | I have reduced the set of rfes to 3 | 15:03 |
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| ralonsoh | Which are the active ones | 15:03 |
| ralonsoh | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1649517 | 15:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1649517 in neutron "qos policy attached to network, qos_policy_id is reflecting on neutron net-show , but not on the port with neutron port-show" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee) | 15:03 |
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| ralonsoh | reedip_: can you give us the status of this one? | 15:04 |
| reedip_ | ralonsoh : the Unit test needs to be corrected which slaweq mentioned. It is in my list but I have been involved in other items so not able to give full time on it | 15:04 |
| ralonsoh | reedip_: ok, ping us whenever you update the patches | 15:05 |
| reedip_ | ralonsoh : rfe still needs to be approved though | 15:05 |
| reedip_ | ralonsoh : hopefully this weekend I will ( will try to do it before that ) | 15:05 |
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| ralonsoh | reedip_: try to ping ihar to approve this one | 15:05 |
| ralonsoh | or mlavalle | 15:06 |
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| ralonsoh | reedip_: this one is going to be for Pike | 15:06 |
| reedip_ | ralonsoh L ok | 15:06 |
| ralonsoh | ok, next one | 15:06 |
| ralonsoh | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1686035 | 15:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1686035 in neutron "[RFE] More detailed reporting of available QoS rules" [Wishlist,Fix released] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq) | 15:06 |
| reedip_ | pike 3 is near , I will push it | 15:06 |
| ralonsoh | I mean Queens | 15:06 |
| ralonsoh | sorry, my bad | 15:06 |
| ralonsoh | I don't think you are going to have time enough | 15:07 |
| davidsha | I was thinking that was optimistic for something without RFE approved :P | 15:07 |
| ralonsoh | without the ref approved | 15:07 |
| ralonsoh | davidsha: yes, that's right | 15:07 |
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| ralonsoh | ok, slaweq did a very good job with https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1686035 | 15:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1686035 in neutron "[RFE] More detailed reporting of available QoS rules" [Wishlist,Fix released] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq) | 15:08 |
| ralonsoh | There are some bugs to fill related with docs | 15:08 |
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| ralonsoh | those are at the end of the REF | 15:08 |
| ralonsoh | RFE | 15:08 |
| ralonsoh | next one | 15:09 |
| ralonsoh | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1596611 | 15:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1596611 in neutron "[RFE] Create L3 IPs with qos (rate limit)" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to LIU Yulong (dragon889) | 15:09 |
| ralonsoh | This one was commented in the drivers meeting | 15:09 |
| ralonsoh | but the development was stopped one month ago | 15:09 |
| ralonsoh | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bug/1596611 | 15:09 |
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| ralonsoh | again, I'll ping the developer | 15:10 |
| ralonsoh | I have no more topics for this section | 15:10 |
| ralonsoh | anyone has something? | 15:10 |
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| davidsha | I'm good. | 15:10 |
| ralonsoh | #topic Bugs | 15:10 |
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| ralonsoh | I have one | 15:11 |
| ralonsoh | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1701202 | 15:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1701202 in neutron "Create QoS rule fails on python 3.5" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq) | 15:11 |
| ralonsoh | I need to check with slaweq if this one is related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.versionedobjects/+bug/1687592 | 15:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1687592 in oslo.versionedobjects "The object is unhashable when inheriting the class ComparableVersionedObject" [Undecided,Fix released] - Assigned to Guoshuai Li (liguoshuai1990) | 15:11 |
| ralonsoh | If so, we can check if the fix in 1687592 solves the problem in QoS | 15:11 |
| ralonsoh | I'll take a look at this one this week | 15:12 |
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| davidsha | They mention in the comments that it probably is. | 15:12 |
| ralonsoh | I know, and I want to check it | 15:12 |
| davidsha | kk | 15:12 |
| ralonsoh | no more bugs, anyone else? | 15:12 |
| ralonsoh | #topic Other Changes | 15:13 |
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| ralonsoh | First, davidsha | 15:13 |
| ralonsoh | what about common classifier for QoS? | 15:13 |
| ralonsoh | what plans do you have? | 15:13 |
| davidsha | I was thinking of adding an optional field to the DSCP marking rule to accept classifications. | 15:14 |
| ralonsoh | will you create a bug describing this feature? | 15:15 |
| davidsha | It would allow different traffic from the same source to have different drop priorities. | 15:15 |
| ralonsoh | I don't think an spec is needed | 15:15 |
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| davidsha | There was an RFE made in Feburary of last year to introduce the classification API into Qos, so I believe I can repurpose that. | 15:16 |
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| ralonsoh | davidsha: perfect, and thanks | 15:16 |
| davidsha | A spec might be needed as I'll be adding to the APi. | 15:16 |
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| davidsha | ralonsoh: thanks! | 15:16 |
| ralonsoh | hmmm yes but within the whole common classifier | 15:17 |
| ralonsoh | or you need to change plugin by plugin? | 15:17 |
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| davidsha | what do you mean? | 15:17 |
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| reedip_ | but would only the DSCP marking be affected by CCF ? | 15:17 |
| ralonsoh | this could be the first step to implement in qos | 15:18 |
| ralonsoh | davidsha: I mean you need to modify the QoS API for this | 15:18 |
| ralonsoh | isn't it? | 15:18 |
| davidsha | reedip_: I was planning on just adding it to dscp for now, I'm not sure would it be too much of a change to the BW limit rule to introduce it there. | 15:18 |
| davidsha | ralonsoh: yes, just add an optional field to dscp_marking_rule to take in the classification ID. | 15:19 |
| ralonsoh | davidsha: ok, so yes, you need this spec | 15:19 |
| ralonsoh | for Queens?? | 15:19 |
| reedip_ | I need to look into the CCF model once ... :) | 15:19 |
| davidsha | Yes, for Queens. We should have a Version 0 of the CCF out soon | 15:20 |
| ralonsoh | perfect! | 15:20 |
| davidsha | With Version 1 aimed for Queens. | 15:20 |
| reedip_ | kk | 15:20 |
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| ralonsoh | I have a question for hichihira | 15:21 |
| ralonsoh | but he's not here | 15:21 |
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| ralonsoh | it's about the min-bw implementation in LB and OVS | 15:21 |
| ralonsoh | but I'll ping him latter | 15:21 |
| ralonsoh | later | 15:21 |
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| ralonsoh | I don't have any other topic | 15:22 |
| ralonsoh | do you? | 15:22 |
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| davidsha | I have nothing. | 15:22 |
| ralonsoh | ok, thanks guys! | 15:23 |
| ralonsoh | #endmeeting | 15:23 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 18 15:23:12 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:23 |
| davidsha | Thanks! | 15:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2017/neutron_qos.2017-07-18-15.00.html | 15:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2017/neutron_qos.2017-07-18-15.00.txt | 15:23 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2017/neutron_qos.2017-07-18-15.00.log.html | 15:23 |
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| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_ci | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 18 16:00:45 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| jlibosva | o/ | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ci' | 16:00 |
| ihrachys | we'll try quick | 16:00 |
| ihrachys | #topic Actions from prev week | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from prev week (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:00 | |
| ihrachys | first was "jlibosva to reach out to Victor Stinner about eventlet/py3 issue with functional tests" | 16:01 |
| jlibosva | I did | 16:01 |
| jlibosva | he was able to get some data from my environment | 16:01 |
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| jlibosva | and produced a simple reporducer | 16:01 |
| jlibosva | http://paste.alacon.org/44101 | 16:01 |
| ihrachys | aha | 16:01 |
| ihrachys | since it doesn't import from openstack.. | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | eventlet bug? | 16:02 |
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| jlibosva | there seems to be a difference in python3 signal handling, that breaks eventlet loop | 16:02 |
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| jlibosva | yes, eventlet bug | 16:02 |
| jlibosva | but the fix might be complicated as they will need to redesign signal handling in eventlet | 16:02 |
| jlibosva | or | 16:02 |
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| jlibosva | victor came up with following fix | 16:02 |
| jlibosva | http://paste.alacon.org/44102 | 16:03 |
| jlibosva | we also got help from sileth who suggest to make a workaround in oslo service | 16:03 |
| jlibosva | next step is to report bug (if not done already) | 16:03 |
| jlibosva | but seems like it got a traction | 16:04 |
| jlibosva | maybe the self_pipe will be a way to fix this | 16:04 |
| ihrachys | I guess it will be both oslo and eventlet bugs to report? | 16:04 |
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| jlibosva | technically oslo doesn't do anything wrong | 16:04 |
| ihrachys | yeah but for a workaround it may make sense no? | 16:04 |
| ihrachys | bumping a minimal for eventlet is always a pain | 16:05 |
| jlibosva | hmm | 16:05 |
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| jlibosva | then maybe oslo workaround would be easier, we'll see how the fix will go | 16:05 |
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| ihrachys | ok, so next step from your side is report bugs | 16:06 |
| ihrachys | #action jlibosva to report bugs for eventlet and maybe oslo.service for eventlet signal/timer issue with py3 | 16:06 |
| ihrachys | great dig it seems | 16:06 |
| ihrachys | next item was "jlibosva to post patch splitting OVN from OvsVenvFixture" | 16:07 |
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| jlibosva | ah, didn't do. maybe I could just push what I currently have :) | 16:07 |
| ihrachys | it may be good to see the direction | 16:07 |
| ihrachys | I will repeat the item | 16:08 |
| ihrachys | #action jlibosva to post patch splitting OVN from OvsVenvFixture | 16:08 |
| ihrachys | next was "jlibosva to post patch splitting OVN from OvsVenvFixture" | 16:08 |
| ihrachys | I didn't do :-x | 16:08 |
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| ihrachys | oops | 16:08 |
| jlibosva | yeah, I didn't do that either | 16:08 |
| ihrachys | I meant "ihrachys to look at why fullstack switch to rootwrap/d-g broke some test cases" | 16:08 |
| ihrachys | #action ihrachys to look at why fullstack switch to rootwrap/d-g broke some test cases | 16:09 |
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| ihrachys | that kinda gets pushed down in my list because it's non-voting :p | 16:09 |
| ihrachys | next was "haleyb to split grafana check dashboard into grenade and tempest charts" | 16:09 |
| ihrachys | I believe it's https://review.openstack.org/#/c/483119/ | 16:09 |
| ihrachys | next was "haleyb to continue looking at dvr-ha job failure rate and reasons" | 16:10 |
| ihrachys | I see there is this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/483600/ (WIP) | 16:10 |
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| ihrachys | also, Brian sent an email to openstack-dev@ | 16:11 |
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| ihrachys | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-July/119743.html | 16:11 |
| ihrachys | no replies so far | 16:11 |
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| ihrachys | let's chime in there, and also maybe ping some key folks | 16:12 |
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| ihrachys | #action haleyb to collect feedback of key contributors on multinode-by-default patch | 16:12 |
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| ihrachys | #action everyone to chime in on haleyb's thread on multinode switch | 16:13 |
| ihrachys | next was "haleyb to clean up old trusty charts from grafana" | 16:13 |
| ihrachys | I believe it magically happened by virtue of general trusty cleanup | 16:14 |
| ihrachys | so no patches from Brian, but it is done nevertheless | 16:14 |
| ihrachys | next was "haleyb to spin up a ML discussion on replacing single node grenade job with multinode in integrated gate" | 16:14 |
| ihrachys | ok, THAT one was for the email thread I mentioned above | 16:15 |
| ihrachys | but those topics are interrelated | 16:15 |
| ihrachys | and it seems Brian is not here | 16:15 |
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| ihrachys | so we will follow up with the thread and see where it leads us | 16:15 |
| ihrachys | next was "haleyb to continue looking at places to reduce the number of jobs" | 16:15 |
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| ihrachys | kinda an open ended action, probably was not worth existance in the first place :) | 16:15 |
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| ihrachys | again, will see where more specific actions lead us | 16:16 |
| ihrachys | next was "ihrachys to complete triage of latest functional test failures that result in 30% failure rate" | 16:16 |
| ihrachys | I did some triaging for all failures since last meeting for functional gate (not check queue) | 16:16 |
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| ihrachys | this is the result: | 16:16 |
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| ihrachys | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-functional-gate-failures-july Functional Gate failures | 16:16 |
| ihrachys | it's basically timeouts, and tester threads running firewall test cases dying | 16:17 |
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| ihrachys | which may actually be the same | 16:17 |
| ihrachys | when a tester thread is dying, we just see 'Killed' in the console log | 16:17 |
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| ihrachys | nothing in the per-test case log | 16:17 |
| ihrachys | or in syslog | 16:17 |
| ihrachys | it's suspicious it's almost always firewall test caser | 16:18 |
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| * ihrachys wonders if it's smth wrong with the test class | 16:18 | |
| jlibosva | one thing that comes in my mind is that searching for pid to kill (like nc) is malfunctioned | 16:18 |
| ihrachys | or is it just so huge that the chance of triggering it there is high? | 16:18 |
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| jlibosva | and since nc dies, it picks a wrong pid | 16:18 |
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| ihrachys | jlibosva, could it be some other thread kills the current thread somehow? | 16:18 |
| ihrachys | or maybe it kills itself? :) | 16:19 |
| jlibosva | I'll try to add some debug messages to patch and send it upstream to recheck, recheck, recheck | 16:19 |
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| ihrachys | ok | 16:19 |
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| ihrachys | #action jlibosva to send a debug patch for random test runner murders, and recheck, recheck, recheck | 16:19 |
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| ihrachys | maybe the code searching for children is misbehaving and ends up killing itself? | 16:20 |
| ihrachys | anyway, we will follow up in gerrit | 16:21 |
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| jlibosva | yeah, that's what I meant | 16:21 |
| ihrachys | thanks for taking the next step on this one! | 16:21 |
| ihrachys | next was "ihrachys to remove pg job from periodics grafana board" | 16:21 |
| ihrachys | I sent this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/482676/ | 16:21 |
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| ihrachys | and Armando chimed in there with action ;0 | 16:21 |
| ihrachys | so I abandoned | 16:21 |
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| ihrachys | seems like there is some interest | 16:22 |
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| ihrachys | and next time the job fails, we may ask him | 16:22 |
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| jlibosva | pg-liaison | 16:23 |
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| ihrachys | it *seems* that the bugs reported are now closed | 16:23 |
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| ihrachys | checking the dash | 16:24 |
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| ihrachys | yeah it's green | 16:24 |
| ihrachys | so we have closure here | 16:24 |
| ihrachys | and those were all items we had | 16:24 |
| ihrachys | now... | 16:24 |
| ihrachys | let's review grafana | 16:24 |
| ihrachys | #topic Grafana | 16:24 |
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| ihrachys | #link http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate | 16:25 |
| jlibosva | ah, no action for me re fullstack process isolation? | 16:25 |
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| ihrachys | jlibosva, there was the ovs fixture no? | 16:25 |
| ihrachys | you were saying you will push what you have | 16:25 |
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| jlibosva | that was just about splitting the class into ovs and ovn | 16:25 |
| ihrachys | ah ok | 16:25 |
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| ihrachys | let's discuss that after grafana | 16:26 |
| jlibosva | I did some successful research on multiple ovsdb-server processes on a single node | 16:26 |
| jlibosva | sure | 16:26 |
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| ihrachys | so looking at the board, we have a decent state actually | 16:26 |
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| ihrachys | except functional that was discussed | 16:26 |
| ihrachys | and fullstack that is just knowingly broken | 16:27 |
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| ihrachys | and scenarios that don't get much traction for connectivity issues | 16:27 |
| ihrachys | but those are long known | 16:27 |
| ihrachys | no new breakages | 16:27 |
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| ihrachys | I see there is some -ovsfw- job in tempest check queue chart that is at 40% failure rate | 16:28 |
| ihrachys | I haven't seen it before | 16:28 |
| ihrachys | something new? | 16:28 |
| jlibosva | no, it's been there for a while | 16:28 |
| ihrachys | ok. | 16:28 |
| ihrachys | the result is not great don't you think | 16:28 |
| jlibosva | I checked the failure couple months back and they don't seem to be related to the firewall | 16:28 |
| jlibosva | it's mostly other tempest issues | 16:28 |
| jlibosva | if you look at the curve, it copies other tempest tests like dvr | 16:29 |
| ihrachys | the fact that it stands out is suspicious | 16:29 |
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| ihrachys | curve yeah. but it's twice higher rate than e.g. dvr+ha | 16:29 |
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| ihrachys | anyway | 16:30 |
| ihrachys | I don't think it's high prio | 16:30 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Fullstack isolation | 16:30 |
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| ihrachys | jlibosva, you had smth to update here | 16:30 |
| jlibosva | hmm,maybe we'll need some job that uses the same env to compare | 16:31 |
| jlibosva | to just have a diff between ovs vs. iptables | 16:31 |
| jlibosva | I don't remember what it runs, I think it's an all-in-one but not sure if ti's dvr or not | 16:31 |
| jlibosva | yep, so, I'm happy to announce that I was able to have multiple ovsdb-servers | 16:31 |
| jlibosva | each running its own vswitchd to communicate with kernel datapath. ovsdb-servers must be in namespaces | 16:32 |
| ihrachys | in fullstack env? or just in some poc env? | 16:32 |
| jlibosva | so I had two namespaces and root namespace | 16:32 |
| jlibosva | just a poc to see what's possible | 16:32 |
| jlibosva | I didn't write any code | 16:32 |
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| jlibosva | I was able to have traffic from one namespace to other namespace, basically running traffic through interfaces from three different ovsdb-servers | 16:33 |
| jlibosva | also, we can have a namespace in a namespace, nest it | 16:33 |
| ihrachys | inception | 16:33 |
| jlibosva | so what I plan to do is to create a namespace per fullstack host | 16:33 |
| jlibosva | and run all agents there, using a single ovsdb-server running in namespace | 16:34 |
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| jlibosva | which means, fakefullstack machines will be also spawned in this namespace, that's why the inception | 16:34 |
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| ihrachys | hm. and so e.g. dhcp or l3 namespaces will be 2nd order depth? | 16:34 |
| jlibosva | no, dhcp and l3 will run in a host namespace, not in its own like today | 16:34 |
| jlibosva | oh, right | 16:35 |
| ihrachys | yeah but I mean, then they create namespaces | 16:35 |
| jlibosva | yeah, qrouter and qdhcp will be 2nd | 16:35 |
| ihrachys | ok | 16:35 |
| ihrachys | we are on the same page | 16:35 |
| ihrachys | I wonder if it will reveal any kernel issues :p | 16:35 |
| jlibosva | which means, we won't need the hacks for unique namespaces | 16:35 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, oh right, it would be great to get rid of that | 16:35 |
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| jlibosva | and I used ovs 2.6 | 16:36 |
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| ihrachys | is it the gate version? | 16:36 |
| jlibosva | there were similar attempts to do similar things in the past on older ovs without success | 16:36 |
| jlibosva | I think we have 2.5.2 | 16:36 |
| jlibosva | iirc | 16:36 |
| ihrachys | OVS_BRANCH=v2.6.1 | 16:37 |
| ihrachys | in fullstack | 16:37 |
| jlibosva | but we don't compile do we? | 16:37 |
| jlibosva | oh, we compile kernel | 16:37 |
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| ihrachys | http://logs.openstack.org/20/483020/3/check/gate-neutron-dsvm-fullstack-ubuntu-xenial/a95166c/console.html#_2017-07-18_14_02_16_215224 ? | 16:37 |
| jlibosva | because of vxlan local tunneling | 16:37 |
| jlibosva | but we use userspace from deb | 16:37 |
| jlibosva | yeah, anyways, those were my findings and I'm excited about implementing it :) | 16:38 |
| ihrachys | yeah that sounds like a great project | 16:38 |
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| ihrachys | there are no interesting new gate bugs, so I will skip | 16:39 |
| ihrachys | #topic Open discussion | 16:39 |
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| ihrachys | I don't have anything | 16:39 |
| jlibosva | me neither | 16:39 |
| ihrachys | ok then we close the meeting. thanks jlibosva for being active, I would feel lonely otherwise lol. | 16:39 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 16:39 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 18 16:39:48 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-07-18-16.00.html | 16:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-07-18-16.00.txt | 16:39 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-07-18-16.00.log.html | 16:39 |
| jlibosva | ihrachys: lol, thanks :) bye | 16:39 |
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| lbragstad | ping ayoung, breton, cmurphy, dstanek, edmondsw, gagehugo, henrynash, hrybacki, knikolla, lamt, lbragstad, lwanderley, notmorgan, rderose, rodrigods, samueldmq, spilla, aselius, dpar | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | #startmeeting keystone | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 18 18:00:08 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lbragstad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| knikolla | o/ | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:00 |
| lamt | o/ | 18:00 |
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| lbragstad | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting | 18:00 |
| hrybacki | o/ | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | agenda ^ | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 18:00 |
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| knikolla | small crowd | 18:01 |
| lbragstad | let's give folks a few minutes to trickle in | 18:01 |
| hrybacki | no kidding | 18:01 |
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| lbragstad | ok - well let's get started | 18:04 |
| lbragstad | #topic announcements | 18:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:04 | |
| lbragstad | #info feature freeze is next week | 18:04 |
| lbragstad | we have 3 specs that are still in progress | 18:04 |
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| lbragstad | project tags, federated attributes for users, and application credentials | 18:05 |
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| lbragstad | i sent a summary of the status of each | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-July/119795.html | 18:05 |
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| lbragstad | we have *just* over a week to get features merged for Pike | 18:05 |
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| lbragstad | and that will be cutting it close | 18:06 |
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| lbragstad | allowing a couple days so that the changes can work themselves through the gate | 18:06 |
| hrybacki | lbragstad do the committers need any aid or does it seem like they are doing okay | 18:06 |
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| knikolla | is anything waiting solely on reviews or they're still being actively worked? | 18:06 |
| lamt | lbragstad: working with the team now to get project tags wrap up this week. | 18:07 |
| lbragstad | lamt: awesome - you guys have a sprint lined up this week, right? | 18:07 |
| lbragstad | lamt: i think that's what gagehugo was saying? | 18:07 |
| lbragstad | rderose was going to be picking up the work for federated attributes | 18:07 |
| lbragstad | as far as i know, the implementation is up | 18:08 |
| lamt | yeah, sitting in a "warroom" now to knock it out - I pulled the code last night and most operations are working - missing tests, and some things need to be changed to align to the spec. | 18:08 |
| lbragstad | but i think there were some outstanding comments from dstanek that needed to be addressed | 18:08 |
| lbragstad | lamt: cool | 18:08 |
| lbragstad | sounds like we can start reviewing | 18:08 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/keystone+branch:master+topic:bp/project-tags | 18:08 |
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| lbragstad | it'd be nice to get that gating early next week | 18:09 |
| lbragstad | fwiw - i haven't seen an implementation for application credentials | 18:09 |
| lbragstad | a discussion also recently surfaced on the mailing list about the proposed direction of that spec | 18:10 |
| lbragstad | so that might be something that gets booted to Queens | 18:10 |
| lbragstad | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-July/119802.html | 18:10 |
| lbragstad | we should certainly reassess at the end of the week to see where things stand | 18:11 |
| hrybacki | lbragstad: yeah, I saw that too but wasn't sure what to even say in the thread | 18:11 |
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| lbragstad | hrybacki: yeah - i think we need a little more discussion | 18:12 |
| lbragstad | but - that's where we stand now | 18:12 |
| lbragstad | by the end of the week we should have a good understanding of what's going to be making it in the release | 18:12 |
| lbragstad | and we can repropose specs as needed early next week | 18:12 |
| lbragstad | pending feature freeze exceptions | 18:13 |
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| lbragstad | (if any) | 18:13 |
| lbragstad | moving on | 18:13 |
| lbragstad | #topic Default roles for domains | 18:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Default roles for domains (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:13 | |
| lbragstad | dpar | 18:13 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 18:13 |
| lbragstad | hmm | 18:14 |
| lbragstad | we'll circle back if dpar joins | 18:14 |
| lbragstad | #topic open discussion | 18:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:14 | |
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| hrybacki | FYI: I'll be PTO/Travelling starting next Monday for two weeks | 18:15 |
| lbragstad | hrybacki: nice - thanks for the heads up | 18:15 |
| hrybacki | will be checking emails though | 18:15 |
| hrybacki | and will sneak into this/policy mtgs if I have wifi | 18:16 |
| lbragstad | good deal | 18:16 |
| lbragstad | we're going to be in full on bug mode starting next week | 18:16 |
| lbragstad | speaking of which - i've gone through and added office-hours to a bunch of bugs | 18:16 |
| lbragstad | #link https://goo.gl/WjCs5Z | 18:16 |
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| lbragstad | if no one has anything else - we can get some time back | 18:19 |
| lbragstad | and start getting ready for office hours | 18:19 |
| hrybacki | woo | 18:20 |
| lbragstad | thanks for coming! | 18:20 |
| lbragstad | #endmeeting | 18:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:20 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 18 18:20:16 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:20 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-07-18-18.00.html | 18:20 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-07-18-18.00.txt | 18:20 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-07-18-18.00.log.html | 18:20 |
| hrybacki | I need to fetch dinner but will likely be back in a bit | 18:20 |
| hrybacki | thanks lbragstad | 18:20 |
| lbragstad | hrybacki: o7 | 18:20 |
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| fungi | infra team, agglomerate! | 19:00 |
| jeblair | fungi: ew. some of us are eating. | 19:00 |
| fungi | this week we have action items assigned to and topics proposed by ianw and fungi | 19:00 |
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| ianw | morning | 19:00 |
| pabelanger | that time again huh | 19:00 |
| fungi | that's what should really put you off your lunch | 19:00 |
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| fungi | i am also totally unprepared. a bunch of stuff came up, so i'm going to be doing this one even more on-the-fly than normal | 19:01 |
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| fungi | #startmeeting infra | 19:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 18 19:03:00 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:03 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:03 |
| fungi | #topic Announcements | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:03 | |
| fungi | #info Don't forget to register for the PTG if you're planning to attend | 19:03 |
| fungi | #link https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ PTG September 11-15 in Denver, CO, USA | 19:03 |
| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-ptg-queens Infra planning pad for Queens PTG in Denver | 19:04 |
| fungi | as always, feel free to hit me up with announcements you want included in future meetings | 19:04 |
| fungi | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:04 | |
| fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-07-11-19.03.html Minutes from last meeting | 19:04 |
| fungi | #action ianw abandon pholio spec | 19:04 |
| * fungi checked the open infra-specs changes just a moment ago | 19:05 | |
| fungi | #action fungi get switchport counts for infra-cloud | 19:05 |
| fungi | still waiting for info back from hpe on the last round of requests | 19:05 |
| ianw | i didn't do that, but can we go ahead with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/477386/ (remove from system-config?) | 19:05 |
| fungi | ianw: oh, sure. i've already +2'd so just need one more | 19:06 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/477386 Remove pholio.openstack.org | 19:06 |
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| fungi | anyway, on the infra-cloud front, there's some possible good news | 19:06 |
| pabelanger | Yay | 19:07 |
| fungi | they're looking to see if they might be freeing up some unwanted mounting rails and whether they have similar switches to our original they may want to get rid of | 19:07 |
| fungi | so it's _possible_ we may not have to ask for budget from the foundation to buy all that, but i'm not getting my hopes up just yet | 19:07 |
| fungi | fungi start a ml thread about the infra-cloud rails and switching situation | 19:08 |
| jeblair | oh that's really good -- because the 10 second prelim google search i did on the model numbers returned lots of "not in stock" and "discontinued" | 19:08 |
| fungi | dropping this last action item since it makes no sense until we hear back | 19:08 |
| fungi | #topic Specs approval | 19:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs approval (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:08 | |
| fungi | #info APPROVED Ansible Puppet Apply is implemented | 19:09 |
| fungi | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/#implemented-design-specifications Ansible Puppet Apply is implemented | 19:09 |
| fungi | #info APPROVED Gerrit ContactStore Removal | 19:09 |
| fungi | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/gerrit-contactstore-removal.html Gerrit ContactStore Removal | 19:09 |
| fungi | #info APPROVED Make Gerrit contactstore removal a priority | 19:09 |
| fungi | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/#priority-efforts Make Gerrit contactstore removal a priority | 19:10 |
| fungi | i've also got a change proposed to get that moving... | 19:10 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/483974 Check change owners against OSF Individual Members | 19:10 |
| fungi | also heads up about the related announcement in case you missed it on the ml(s) | 19:11 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-July/119786.html IMPORTANT upcoming change to technical elections | 19:11 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts | 19:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Priority Efforts (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:12 | |
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| fungi | we don't seem to have anything specific called out there for this week | 19:12 |
| fungi | excepting my links above about the contact store removal | 19:12 |
| fungi | clarkb's out this week so gerrit upgrade stuff is sort of on hold | 19:13 |
| fungi | zuul v3 is moving at a rapid clip | 19:13 |
| fungi | see weekly zuul meeting minutes for details there | 19:13 |
| fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/ zuul meeting minutes | 19:14 |
| jeblair | we have an item from there to make more detailed timing plans for the v3 cutover | 19:15 |
| fungi | oh, right | 19:15 |
| fungi | we wanted to bring that up in the infra meeting | 19:15 |
| jeblair | mordred is coordinating that | 19:15 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts - Zuul v3 | 19:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Priority Efforts - Zuul v3 (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:15 | |
| jeblair | mostly we need to work out if we're going to try to do something the week/weekend before, or start monday morn | 19:15 |
| jeblair | so that folks can plan travel, etc appropriately | 19:16 |
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| jeblair | the tc/uc/bod stuff on sunday may be a blocker for several folks | 19:16 |
| fungi | it is for me anyway | 19:17 |
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| fungi | also i can't really fly in any earlier. promised to take christine to a concert right before i leave for denver, and have had tickets and hotel room booked for months | 19:17 |
| pabelanger | I should be able to fly in early | 19:18 |
| jeblair | ansiblefest is the week before. i personally wouldn't mind a weekend between the two, but that's not a requirement. | 19:18 |
| pabelanger | that is true | 19:18 |
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| jeblair | of course, that "weekend" is still only saturday anyway, so, meh. | 19:19 |
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| jeblair | fungi: i guess you're traveling on sat? | 19:19 |
| fungi | yes, my flight gets in mid-afternoon saturday | 19:20 |
| fungi | for some reason i can get direct flights from denver back to norfolk but they don't have any on the way out | 19:20 |
| fungi | so getting there later than i would like | 19:20 |
| jeblair | fungi: that's probably the info we need now, aside from the later ptg planning topic :) | 19:21 |
| fungi | cool. that said, i'm going to reorder the general topics so we can do ptg planning at the end | 19:22 |
| fungi | #topic Project update session at summit (fungi) | 19:22 |
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| fungi | all ptls, including me, were asked whether our teams wanted to give "project updates" as reserved conference talk slots | 19:22 |
| fungi | we didn't do them previously since our activities generally aren't very outward-facing to th eusual openstack consumer audience, but i figured i'd get input from the team on whether we should consider doing them anyway | 19:23 |
| jeblair | welp, we can certainly talk about zuulv3 | 19:24 |
| fungi | yeah, i thought that might be a possibilitu | 19:24 |
| fungi | possibility | 19:24 |
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| pabelanger | I don't mind if we do them, -infra overview always seem to go over well | 19:25 |
| fungi | also worth noting, there aren't as many available slots for project updates as there are projects, so if a lot of projects want to do one there's a chance ours could get bumped anyway | 19:25 |
| pabelanger | and zuulv3 of course | 19:25 |
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| jeblair | zuulv3 is something that we can address for both an openstack developer and user audience. | 19:26 |
| jeblair | we've been talking to other communities about zuul for years, and it tends to go over well. | 19:26 |
| pabelanger | For sure | 19:26 |
| fungi | if there are people who want to help put together a 20-minute talk (that's what these are booked as), i'm happy to tell anne we're on board | 19:26 |
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| pabelanger | infra-cloud is a good topic too, give the state of it | 19:27 |
| fungi | even if we have to push zuul v3 go-live to after the ptg, odds are it will be solidly in production by the time we get to sydney | 19:27 |
| pabelanger | I can volunteer for project update we need people | 19:28 |
| fungi | #info Seeking volunteers to help write and/or present a 20-minute Infra team update at the Sydney, AU summit this November | 19:29 |
| fungi | thanks pabelanger! | 19:29 |
| fungi | #topic Cleaning up inactive meetbot channels (fungi) | 19:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cleaning up inactive meetbot channels (fungi) (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:30 | |
| fungi | for those who missed the discussion last week-ish, we've reached 120 channels with the openstack meetbot instance | 19:30 |
| fungi | and have at least one new channel that wants logging but can't be added until we cull the dead wood | 19:30 |
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| jeblair | this isn't going to keep scaling forever. should we go ahead and setup openstack2? | 19:31 |
| fungi | yeah, it should be sane to run more than one as long as people don't try to use them for the same meetings at the same time in two different channels or something | 19:32 |
| fungi | in the interim, i ran some stats and there are a handful of non-new channels which have had nothing said this year so those are easy enough to probably get rid of | 19:33 |
| fungi | there are also some several dozen which have only had bots speaking since april, depending on how aggressive we want to be about unused channels | 19:34 |
| pabelanger | seems like a good first step | 19:34 |
| fungi | er, i take that back, the several dozen were channels which had fewer than 10 lines spoken by non-bots since april | 19:34 |
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| fungi | we do have spammers popping into channels at random which skew the results a bit | 19:35 |
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| jeblair | fungi: ++ | 19:35 |
| fungi | anyway, granted we _do_ need to go ahead and get to work on scaling up our meetbot configuration to probably run an arbitrary (but for now sharded across two) number of bots | 19:36 |
| fungi | but before starting a -dev ml thread i wanted to try and get some suggestions on what levels of activity make sense to consider channels "active" | 19:37 |
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| fungi | or should i just pick something arbitrary (like fewer than 10 non-bot lines spoken in the past three months) as a starting point and see who objects to removing logging for some specific channels? | 19:37 |
| pabelanger | WFM | 19:38 |
| jeblair | fungi: i think your thresholds are good | 19:38 |
| fungi | #agreed We should improve puppet-meetbot to support sharding channels across multiple bots | 19:39 |
| fungi | #action fungi start an ML thread on cleaning up logging for dead or mostly-dead channels | 19:39 |
| fungi | thanks! | 19:39 |
| fungi | #topic Retiring deprecated infra repos (fungi) | 19:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Retiring deprecated infra repos (fungi) (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:40 | |
| ianw | seems sane, and maybe having a limit isn't such a bad thing after all ... | 19:40 |
| fungi | continuing in the vein of cleanup | 19:40 |
| jeblair | ianw: hah -- people have been trying to limit openstack's growth for years. finally success was achieved when we hit the irc channel limit! | 19:40 |
| fungi | nice! | 19:40 |
| pabelanger | :) | 19:41 |
| fungi | so anyway, this was an upshot from ttx's exploration of what is being hosted unofficially in our infrastructure and i got to thinking about some of our official infr arepos which are also basically defunct | 19:41 |
| fungi | i put together an initial list which i think are unused and not maintained any longer: activity-board puppet-apparmor puppet-apps_site vinz vinz-webclient | 19:42 |
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| fungi | activity-board ended up going nowhere and we never did get one deployed before the foundation terminated the contract with bitgeria | 19:43 |
| jeblair | those all seem reasonable | 19:44 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:44 |
| fungi | though http://apps.openstack.org/ is still online, so maybe that's a separate discussion | 19:44 |
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| fungi | i was particularly curious about vinz and vinz-webclient | 19:45 |
| fungi | does anybody know if the renewed interest in that last year ever went anywhere? there were only a few changes merged | 19:46 |
| fungi | er, not even merged, just proposed | 19:47 |
| jeblair | fungi: oh, maybe we should keep puppet-apps_site around still then. | 19:48 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack-infra/vinz changes proposed for vinz | 19:48 |
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| fungi | yeah, i'm thinking i'll make a separate e-mail thread about teh apps site if it looks like it's no longer being updated | 19:49 |
| pabelanger | I've never looked into vinz myself | 19:49 |
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| fungi | polygerrit probably makes vinz unnecessary anyway | 19:49 |
| fungi | jeblair also mentioned a couple of zuul v3 role/playbook repos which might need to be retired as well, but we can address those once we get further along and are sure we don't need them | 19:50 |
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| pabelanger | ++ | 19:50 |
| fungi | #agreed we can retire: activity-board puppet-apparmor puppet-apps_site vinz vinz-webclient | 19:51 |
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| fungi | #undio | 19:51 |
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| fungi | #undo | 19:51 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #agreed we can retire: activity-board puppet-apparmor puppet-apps_site vinz vinz-webclient | 19:51 |
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| fungi | #agreed We can retire: activity-board puppet-apparmor vinz vinz-webclient | 19:51 |
| fungi | #action fungi start a ML thread on continuing to operate http://apps.openstack.org/ | 19:52 |
| fungi | okay, i think that's good progress on this topic | 19:52 |
| jeblair | fungi: yeah, let's aim for zuul repo cleanup post ptg | 19:52 |
| jeblair | so we don't flap | 19:52 |
| fungi | definitely | 19:52 |
| fungi | and if anyone thinks of other repos we can/should retire, let me know or spin some changes to do that | 19:52 |
| fungi | #topic PTG planning (fungi) | 19:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG planning (fungi) (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:53 | |
| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-ptg-queens Infra planning pad for Queens PTG in Denver | 19:53 |
| fungi | looks like we got some additions since last week | 19:53 |
| fungi | pabelanger: the trystack idea is interesting | 19:54 |
| pabelanger | fungi: ya, I've been on some emails about it recently | 19:54 |
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| fungi | though i think they're still struggling with how to switch from facebook groups auth to general openid/oauth | 19:54 |
| pabelanger | TL;DR the team that does it today might want to stop doing it | 19:55 |
| fungi | and also struggling with spammers who seem to be the bulk of signups | 19:55 |
| fungi | or so i heard anyway | 19:55 |
| pabelanger | Ya, there is some OPs things that need to be dealt with too | 19:56 |
| fungi | i expect if trystack were to become a community endeavor, it would need a fairly substantial redesign and would be higher-maintenance than infra-cloud so likely would need its own dedicated team of at least a few people | 19:56 |
| pabelanger | exactly | 19:57 |
| pabelanger | it could be a good use case for using a community project to run it too, eg: ansible-openstack, kolla, tripleo, etc | 19:57 |
| pabelanger | and give people real world ops training | 19:58 |
| fungi | i guess if we think we could get people who want to (and have the levity to) volunteer to run trystack v2, and could get them to come to the ptg, then maybe? | 19:58 |
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| jlvillal | Off topic :( To fix the ironic-inspector gate we would like to get: https://review.openstack.org/483059 merged please | 19:59 |
| fungi | i still anticipate zuul v3 related work will dominate much of the ptg for us this time | 19:59 |
| * jlvillal notices a few seconds left in the meeting | 19:59 | |
| pabelanger | fungi: maybe? | 19:59 |
| fungi | between presenting a cross-project session or two, answering lots of questions and probably dealing with job rewrites | 20:00 |
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| fungi | anyway, we're out of time for this week. find us in #openstack-infra | 20:00 |
| fungi | thanks everyone! | 20:00 |
| fungi | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 18 20:00:56 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-07-18-19.03.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-07-18-19.03.txt | 20:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-07-18-19.03.log.html | 20:01 |
| fungi | reminder: no tc meeting this week, but office hours start in #openstack-tc in 5 hours (01:00 utc) | 20:01 |
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