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| ekcs | time for congress meeting thinrichs masahito ramineni | 00:01 |
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| ekcs | #startmeeting congressteammeeting | 00:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 20 00:01:19 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekcs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting' | 00:01 |
| ekcs | hi all! happy wednesday/thursday! | 00:01 |
| ekcs | as usual, topics are collected here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-meeting-topics | 00:02 |
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| ekcs | please read/comment/add =) | 00:02 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: hi | 00:02 |
| ekcs | hi ramineni_ ! | 00:02 |
| thinrichs | Hi all | 00:02 |
| ekcs | hi thinrichs ! | 00:03 |
| ramineni_ | thinrichs: hi | 00:03 |
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| qiangcao | hi | 00:03 |
| ekcs | hi qiangcao ! | 00:04 |
| qiangcao | hi ekcs! | 00:04 |
| ekcs | qiangcao: not sure if we’ve connected before. sorry if I forget =p | 00:04 |
| qiangcao | I’ve joined a few weeks ago. | 00:04 |
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| qiangcao | watching from far :) | 00:05 |
| ekcs | qiangcao: Oh well great meeting you. would you like to introduce briefly introduce yourself? | 00:05 |
| qiangcao | alright. I’m Qiang (Chang) Cao, based in Durham, NC. | 00:06 |
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| qiangcao | I’m a postdoc researcher at Duke university, especially interested in policies in the cloud. | 00:06 |
| ekcs | qiangcao: oh sorry you already did introduce yourself a few weeks ago. sorry didn’t put the name together. well welcome again! | 00:07 |
| qiangcao | I’ve watching and reading congress dicussion and docs for a while. | 00:07 |
| qiangcao | Yeah, it’s ok. | 00:07 |
| thinrichs | qiangcao: is there something specific you're working on? | 00:08 |
| thinrichs | And welcome! | 00:08 |
| qiangcao | I’m working on authorization in multi-domain systems. | 00:08 |
| qiangcao | for example, naming, access control, etc. | 00:09 |
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| ekcs | cool! does multi-domain mean authority is decentralized? | 00:10 |
| qiangcao | Right, we’re working on a system to do fully decentralized trust managment for authorization. | 00:10 |
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| ekcs | very cool! | 00:11 |
| qiangcao | We are specially interested in systems across domains. | 00:11 |
| qiangcao | I’ve looked at the congress docs. | 00:11 |
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| qiangcao | Here at duke, we also use datalog to represent security assertion and trust relationships. | 00:12 |
| qiangcao | Congress is great. we should keep up the great work. | 00:12 |
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| qiangcao | if time is allowed today, it’ll be great if you can talk about the multi-tenancy in congress. | 00:14 |
| ekcs | Great! Would definitely love to connect more on common interests and hear any feedback you may have for congress. Always eager for feedback from a new perspective. | 00:15 |
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| thinrichs | +1 | 00:15 |
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| ekcs | ok well let’s move along then. | 00:15 |
| ekcs | adminitrative stuff to get through =p | 00:16 |
| ekcs | #topic announcements | 00:16 |
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| ekcs | as annouced before, PTG is coming up in sep. | 00:16 |
| ekcs | PTG | 00:16 |
| ekcs | https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ | 00:16 |
| ekcs | Monday - Friday, September 11-15, 2017 | 00:16 |
| ekcs | Congress sessions: Wed-Thu | 00:16 |
| ekcs | Now is a good time to make travel plans if you plan to be there. We’re also going to do our best to get a good way for remote participants to join. | 00:17 |
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| ekcs | PTL nomination opens 7/31 | 00:18 |
| ekcs | #link https://governance.openstack.org/election/#ptl-details | 00:18 |
| ekcs | if you’re interested in running for PTL I’d be happy to give more info. I’m sure thinrichs would too. | 00:18 |
| ekcs | any other announcements before we move on? | 00:19 |
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| ekcs | ok moving on then. | 00:20 |
| ekcs | #topic congress client final release | 00:20 |
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| ekcs | final release is due next week. | 00:20 |
| ekcs | Here are the open patches: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/python-congressclient+status:open | 00:20 |
| ekcs | hopefully we can merge them very soon and use the rest of the time for testing. | 00:21 |
| ekcs | and of course if there’s anything else that needs to go into the pike release for congress client please do bring it up =) | 00:22 |
| ekcs | On this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/483132/ | 00:22 |
| thinrichs | Looks like both those have gone thru several rounds of review. Doesn't seem like there are any blockers. | 00:23 |
| ekcs | the main discussion seems to be whether we’re okay with the client command not supporting multiple YAML docs per file. | 00:23 |
| thinrichs | Either way seems fine to me. | 00:24 |
| thinrichs | I think for the use case we're targeting, the file would always have 1 | 00:25 |
| thinrichs | right? | 00:25 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: seems fine ..just got confused ..why server supporting and client doesn't support .. | 00:25 |
| thinrichs | If server supports N, it seems simple enough to hand over the N to the server. | 00:26 |
| thinrichs | Is the client code any different to handle N? | 00:26 |
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| ekcs | policy library service will accept a file with multiple policies and write it to DB as multiple rows. | 00:27 |
| thinrichs | Oh I see—it would take N calls to create_policy | 00:27 |
| ekcs | yes exactly. | 00:27 |
| ekcs | shouldn’t be too hard I just haven’t had time to think through how best to do that interaction on client. | 00:27 |
| ramineni_ | Why Not calls to create policy | 00:28 |
| thinrichs | Simplest code would be just: for body in policies: client.create_policy(body) | 00:28 |
| ramineni_ | Why N calls | 00:28 |
| ekcs | because each call to agnostic:create_policy creates one policy. | 00:28 |
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| ekcs | it’s not difficult I’m sure just a matter of figuring out how to pack up all the outputs from each call and give back to openstack client the way it expects. | 00:29 |
| thinrichs | How does the server API call handle N policies? Did we add one? I thought we just modified the 1 API call to accept (optionally) a list of rules as a field. | 00:30 |
| thinrichs | Do we have a server-side API call where you can stuff in N policies? | 00:30 |
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| ekcs | thinrichs: no there is no API call for creating N policies. | 00:31 |
| thinrichs | Then it seems the client shouldn't permit it. | 00:32 |
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| ekcs | the only thing is when server loads files to library at startup, it’ll make N calls to load N policies in a single yaml file. I could just as well disable that too. But it doesn’t seem to hurt. | 00:32 |
| thinrichs | I wouldn't disable it. | 00:33 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: seems fine ..I'll update my vote | 00:33 |
| thinrichs | The downside to putting N API calls into a single client call is that if the 5th one fails, the client isn't going to roll-back the first 4 that succeeded. | 00:34 |
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| thinrichs | A server-script that we use to load stuff into Congress at startup is different. We know what we're doing. | 00:35 |
| thinrichs | (BTW, I've got to leave in 10min) | 00:35 |
| ekcs | thinrichs, ramineni_ ok. | 00:35 |
| ekcs | ok yea taking a fair bit of time on a small issue here but need to get it done for deadline. | 00:35 |
| ekcs | let’s move on then? | 00:35 |
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| ekcs | qiangcao: are you still around? | 00:37 |
| qiangcao | yes. | 00:37 |
| ekcs | we could talk more about multi tenancy now while thinrichs is here. | 00:37 |
| ekcs | the rest of the topics are not super urgent. | 00:37 |
| qiangcao | great. | 00:37 |
| ekcs | #topic multi-tenancy | 00:37 |
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| qiangcao | I read through the doc. It uses statements from nova, neutron, idap, etc. | 00:39 |
| ekcs | So I’m not too familiar with the efforts for multi-tenancy in congress. But some people have thought about it and sketched out working toward it i think. | 00:39 |
| ekcs | qiangcao: yup. | 00:39 |
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| qiangcao | can we also take statements/assertions made by tenents for policy compliance or enforcement? | 00:40 |
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| thinrichs | qiangcao: we don't have multiple tenants today. | 00:40 |
| thinrichs | But we do have multiple policies | 00:40 |
| thinrichs | So you could have alice write policyA | 00:40 |
| thinrichs | and bob write policyB | 00:40 |
| thinrichs | and admin write policyC | 00:40 |
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| thinrichs | (That's not true multi-tenancy b/c alice can see/change all of policyA, policyB, and policyC) | 00:41 |
| thinrichs | Then admin's policyC can reference alice's policyA and bob's policyB | 00:41 |
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| thinrichs | Syntax is basically the same… | 00:41 |
| thinrichs | policyC: error(x) :- policyA:error(x), policyB:error(x) | 00:42 |
| thinrichs | (Where I've chosen 'error' here arbitrarily.) | 00:42 |
| qiangcao | right. so we’ll going to make separate tables to store the statements by tenants? | 00:42 |
| thinrichs | Yes. | 00:42 |
| thinrichs | And each tenant could have a collection of tables that they write (all the tables defined in their policy). | 00:43 |
| qiangcao | how can we refer to a policy? | 00:43 |
| thinrichs | Same way you refer to nova/neutron | 00:44 |
| qiangcao | should the policy name be globally unique? | 00:44 |
| thinrichs | Example is above | 00:44 |
| thinrichs | Yes—all policy names are globally unique | 00:44 |
| thinrichs | No hierarchy for policy names | 00:44 |
| thinrichs | In fact, the datasource names and the policy names must all be (jointly) unique | 00:44 |
| thinrichs | Meaning you can't name a datasource the same as a policy | 00:44 |
| thinrichs | And you can't name 2 pollicies the same thing. And you can't name 2 datasources the same thing. | 00:45 |
| qiangcao | yeah, then Alice, Bob, and Cindy need to coordinate on names? | 00:45 |
| thinrichs | Yep—that's why we don't have true multitenancy yet | 00:46 |
| qiangcao | I see. | 00:46 |
| thinrichs | (One of the reasons anyway) | 00:46 |
| ekcs | so from what I’m hearng so far here are a few gaps to multi-tenancy. | 00:46 |
| ekcs | a. globally unique policy name | 00:46 |
| ekcs | b. all users can see/edit policies | 00:46 |
| ekcs | c. all user policies can refer to all state | 00:46 |
| ekcs | c) may be addressable by query rewriting techniques | 00:46 |
| ekcs | b) can be addressed by ownership. | 00:47 |
| ekcs | any other big gaps? | 00:47 |
| qiangcao | how about the efficiency? | 00:47 |
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| qiangcao | if the alice makes a lot of policies about many things? | 00:47 |
| thinrichs | Many policies doesn't make the evaluation any slower | 00:48 |
| qiangcao | in your terminology, policy alice includes a lot of statements/assertions | 00:48 |
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| masahito | hi, so sorry to be late... | 00:48 |
| ekcs | hi masahito | 00:48 |
| thinrichs | Oh—right if there are many statements then that will impact performance for sure. | 00:48 |
| thinrichs | Just like a database or really any system. | 00:49 |
| qiangcao | for exmple, nova makes assertions for every vm. | 00:49 |
| ekcs | we’ve done some benchmarks on how far we can push, but I don’t think we’ve been very comprehensive about it so far. | 00:49 |
| thinrichs | Performance depends entirely on the structure of the policy. | 00:49 |
| ekcs | qiangcao: are you wondering more about scalability or isolation/security/dos right now? | 00:50 |
| qiangcao | yeah, it depends on the size of the inference context. | 00:50 |
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| thinrichs | If you write a policy that requires analyzing every VM, and every network connection to every VM, and every pair of VMs connected via the network, and all the storage devices connected to any of those VMs (for example), then it'll take a while to evaluate | 00:50 |
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| qiangcao | by a inference context, I mean the set of statements one need to consider for making a decision. | 00:50 |
| thinrichs | Size of the data and size/complexity of the rules gives you performance. | 00:51 |
| thinrichs | Right—inference context | 00:51 |
| thinrichs | We're using standard datalog, so all the performance characteristics are the usual ones. | 00:51 |
| thinrichs | We do top-down evaluation today without caching. | 00:51 |
| qiangcao | yeah, here we’re exploring a way to make the inference context compact, only including all relevant statements. | 00:51 |
| thinrichs | No recursion | 00:51 |
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| thinrichs | If you wanted to experiment with performance within Congress, that'd be great! | 00:52 |
| qiangcao | I’ll definitly looks into that. | 00:52 |
| thinrichs | There are a few performance benchmarks in the test suite | 00:52 |
| thinrichs | There's a blogpost too. | 00:53 |
| qiangcao | can you send me a point? | 00:53 |
| qiangcao | *pointer | 00:53 |
| thinrichs | http://ruleyourcloud.com/2015/03/12/scaling-up-congress.html | 00:53 |
| thinrichs | Got to run | 00:53 |
| ekcs | see you thinrichs | 00:54 |
| thinrichs | Feel free to send email to the openstack-dev mailing list. Just include [Congress] in the subject line | 00:54 |
| qiangcao | thanks | 00:54 |
| thinrichs | Talk to you all later! | 00:54 |
| qiangcao | sure, ttyl | 00:54 |
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| ekcs | ok let’s go to open discussion for the last few minutes then. | 00:54 |
| ekcs | #topic open discussion | 00:55 |
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| ekcs | feel free to jump in with anything. | 00:55 |
| ekcs | just wanna also mention it’s feature freeze for congress server and dashboard next week. | 00:55 |
| ekcs | server: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/congress+status:open+branch:master | 00:55 |
| ekcs | dashboard: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/congress-dashboard+status:open | 00:55 |
| ekcs | I think most of the dashboard patches are ready. | 00:56 |
| ekcs | server too. | 00:56 |
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| ekcs | last two minutes if anyone’s got something to say =p | 00:58 |
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| ekcs | alright then! fun discussions today. see you all next time! | 01:00 |
| ekcs | #endmeeting | 01:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 20 01:00:15 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-07-20-00.01.html | 01:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-07-20-00.01.txt | 01:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-07-20-00.01.log.html | 01:00 |
| qiangcao | see you next week, ekcs! | 01:00 |
| masahito | thanks, bye! | 01:00 |
| ekcs | see you qiangcao ! | 01:00 |
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| zhenguo | #startmeeting mogan | 02:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 20 02:01:33 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zhenguo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 02:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 02:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: mogan)" | 02:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mogan' | 02:01 |
| liusheng | o/ | 02:01 |
| zhenguo | o/ | 02:01 |
| zhangyang | o/ | 02:01 |
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| Xinran | o/ | 02:02 |
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| zhenguo | shaohe_feng, wanghao: are you around? | 02:03 |
| zhenguo | ok, seems they will come later | 02:03 |
| zhenguo | as always, the agenda: | 02:03 |
| zhenguo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Mogan#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 02:03 |
| zhenguo | let's jump in | 02:03 |
| zhenguo | #topic announcements and reminders | 02:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements and reminders (Meeting topic: mogan)" | 02:04 | |
| zhenguo | OpenStack Days China will happen in 4 days, we got a presentation for Mogan there. | 02:04 |
| zhenguo | who will attend the event? | 02:04 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: morning | 02:04 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: o/ | 02:04 |
| zhangyang | 🙋 | 02:05 |
| zhenguo | zhangyang: lol | 02:05 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng, luyao, Xinran: how about you? | 02:05 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: IMHO, every one in Beijing can attend the meeting. | 02:06 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: I will | 02:06 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: and others not in beijing, maybe need buget | 02:06 |
| Xinran | I will :) | 02:06 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: hah, that's true | 02:06 |
| luyao | zhenguo, :D | 02:06 |
| zhenguo | ok, see you all then :D | 02:06 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: yes. seen you in the next week. | 02:07 |
| zhenguo | ok, let's move on | 02:07 |
| zhenguo | Pike release is comming, instead of adding more features, I would like to make it more stable | 02:07 |
| zhenguo | Please all help to test it, especially the APi | 02:07 |
| liusheng | hah, that is ture | 02:08 |
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| zhenguo | We can still backport bug after released, but API changes need a microversion :D | 02:08 |
| zhenguo | so at least we should make API forming good | 02:09 |
| liusheng | so we are 1.0 now ? | 02:09 |
| zhenguo | in two weeks? | 02:10 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: after Pke | 02:10 |
| zhenguo | *Pike | 02:10 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: ok | 02:10 |
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| zhenguo | liusheng: btw, please take care of the client | 02:11 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: ok, sure | 02:11 |
| zhenguo | ok, thanks | 02:11 |
| shaohe_feng | nice, 1.0 will be avaliable ASAP | 02:12 |
| zhenguo | I don't plan to relase the mogan-ui as it's breaked by the recently changed | 02:12 |
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| shaohe_feng | Then when will we release the UI? | 02:12 |
| zhenguo | maybe need to find some JS guys to rewrite it. | 02:13 |
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| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: it doesn't work now | 02:13 |
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| liusheng | zhenguo: we'd better to also release mogan-1.0 in pypi | 02:13 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: sure | 02:14 |
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| zhenguo | zhangyang: you will use Pike release, right? | 02:14 |
| zhenguo | we can discuss later | 02:16 |
| zhenguo | Contribution into mogan for the last 30 days | 02:16 |
| zhenguo | #link http://stackalytics.com/report/contribution/mogan/30 | 02:16 |
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| zhenguo | thanks everyone for the hard work | 02:17 |
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| zhenguo | also, please do more reviews :D | 02:17 |
| zhenguo | not much of announcement, anyone else have a thing here? | 02:17 |
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| zhenguo | #topic task tracking | 02:18 |
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| zhenguo | #links https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MoganWhiteBoard | 02:18 |
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| zhenguo | please remember to update it to help wanghao collect the weekly report | 02:19 |
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| * zhenguo gives folks a few minutes to review | 02:22 | |
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| zhenguo | liusheng: do you have some idea about the server group one? | 02:24 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: not yet :( | 02:24 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: do we need to land that before Pike ? | 02:25 |
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| zhenguo | liusheng: maybe we can just support rack affinity | 02:25 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: the rack info can be set in aggregate metadata ? | 02:25 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: yes | 02:25 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: az is a special metadata of aggregate | 02:26 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: ok, if so, it is not hard to implement | 02:26 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: so rack can also be a special one | 02:26 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: will re-pick my schedule_hint patch | 02:26 |
| zhenguo | liusheng; hah | 02:26 |
| zhenguo | I almost finish the aggregate things on mogan side, will focus on the placement aggregates interaction part next | 02:27 |
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| zhenguo | liusheng: maybe we need to add scheduler fitlers back :D | 02:28 |
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| liusheng | zhenguo: ... alright | 02:29 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: we still need some filters before placement mature | 02:29 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: ok | 02:30 |
| zhenguo | valence integration will move to next release | 02:31 |
| zhenguo | so we only have aggregates, server groups. adopt servers ... | 02:31 |
| zhenguo | but time is tight, hope all could be landed before Pike | 02:32 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: I will check with yanglin the valence status. | 02:33 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: To see it is ready. | 02:33 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: ok, thanks, but we don't have time to work on that part during Pke :( | 02:34 |
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| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: Yes, we can do it after Pke. | 02:35 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: ok | 02:36 |
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| zhenguo | any other things want to be done before Pike? | 02:36 |
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| zhenguo | liusheng: how's the rp and aggregates cache? | 02:39 |
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| liusheng | zhenguo: didn't check yet, sorry :( | 02:40 |
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| zhenguo | liusheng: np | 02:42 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: will check later | 02:42 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: what's rp? | 02:42 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: yestoday is a meeting day | 02:42 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: resource providers | 02:42 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: hah | 02:42 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: got | 02:43 |
| zhenguo | liusheng, shaohe_feng: I added some patches for aggregates and metadata on mogan side, please help to test it | 02:43 |
| shaohe_feng | OK. | 02:44 |
| zhenguo | we may need to check the releasenodes | 02:45 |
| zhenguo | before Pike | 02:45 |
| zhenguo | zhangyang: if you still want to add cloudboot driver before Pike, please be quick, not much time left | 02:47 |
| zhenguo | ok, anything else? | 02:47 |
| zhangyang | zhenguo: yeah, i see. | 02:47 |
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| zhenguo | zhangyang: ok | 02:48 |
| zhenguo | let's move on | 02:48 |
| zhenguo | #topic open discussion | 02:48 |
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| zhenguo | who's got a thing :) | 02:48 |
| zhenguo | zhangyang: btw, does rack affinity and anti-affinity meet your requirements | 02:49 |
| zhenguo | I talked to our product team about that, seems they also have such requirement | 02:50 |
| zhenguo | anyway, we can just add Rack support | 02:50 |
| zhangyang | zhenguo: they designed some scheduling methods on their own, so i should check it with them... | 02:51 |
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| zhenguo | zhangyang: okay | 02:51 |
| zhenguo | It's almost time, thanks everyone for joining the meeting! | 02:52 |
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| zhenguo | #endmeeting | 02:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 02:53 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 20 02:53:19 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 02:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mogan/2017/mogan.2017-07-20-02.01.html | 02:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mogan/2017/mogan.2017-07-20-02.01.txt | 02:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mogan/2017/mogan.2017-07-20-02.01.log.html | 02:53 |
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| eumel8 | hello | 12:59 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, hi :) | 12:59 |
| ianychoi | Anyone for I18n meeting today? | 12:59 |
| ianychoi | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 20 13:00:58 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ianychoi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 13:01 |
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| eumel8 | here we are | 13:01 |
| ianychoi | I have heard that eumel8 is in parallel meeting. | 13:01 |
| eumel8 | already, but with a low prio | 13:01 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, oh I see :) | 13:01 |
| eumel8 | normaly it's finished since 1 min | 13:02 |
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| ianychoi | jftalta, hello! | 13:02 |
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| eumel8 | hi jftalta | 13:02 |
| jftalta | ianychoi, Hi ! | 13:02 |
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| jftalta | hi eumel8 ! It's been a long time ! | 13:03 |
| eumel8 | true | 13:03 |
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| ianychoi | :) jftalta: Were u on vacation? Or when is your vacation? | 13:03 |
| jftalta | First two weeks of august | 13:04 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, aha I see - so great! | 13:04 |
| eumel8 | save the holiday for Australia :) | 13:04 |
| ianychoi | Haha :) | 13:04 |
| ianychoi | Let me proceed today agenda first.. | 13:05 |
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| ianychoi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/I18nTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 13:05 |
| ianychoi | #topic Changes on Docs team - how it affects to I18n team | 13:05 |
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| ianychoi | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/docs-specs/specs/pike/os-manuals-migration.html | 13:05 |
| jftalta | we have plenty of holydays in France, so I'm saving a couple of weeks for Australia ;) | 13:05 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, great! | 13:06 |
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| ianychoi | This is a spec for migration of openstack-manuals documents in Docs team | 13:06 |
| ianychoi | There are lots of details and now I recognize recent two changes | 13:06 |
| ianychoi | One is URL schema change for documentation. For example, docs.openstack.org/developer/i18n URL was changed to https://docs.openstack.org/i18n/latest/ | 13:07 |
| eumel8 | yeah, lots of text | 13:07 |
| ianychoi | The other is that Operators guide has been deleted | 13:08 |
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| ianychoi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/483937/ | 13:08 |
| ianychoi | It means that some translated documents also need to be deleted | 13:09 |
| eumel8 | is the user-guide also deleted? This site seems a little broken: https://docs.openstack.org/user-guide/ | 13:09 |
| ianychoi | For example, https://docs.openstack.org/ja/ has https://docs.openstack.org/ja/ops-guide/ link but it needs to be deleted (I will propose the patch) | 13:09 |
| eumel8 | ok | 13:09 |
| ianychoi | I think the URL scheme is changed to https://docs.openstack.org/user/ | 13:09 |
| eumel8 | but there is a lower content | 13:10 |
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| eumel8 | lot's of google search matches are empty | 13:10 |
| ianychoi | Yep it might be that user guides are being moved to project repositories | 13:10 |
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| ianychoi | Since I am now too busy, I could not figure out the details of documentation status and asettle would be the best PTL who manages it but I think she is also busy on tracking and managing :) - It is so great job and now what I want to do is that I18n team at least needs to follow changes from Docs team | 13:11 |
| asettle | Sorry sorry what? | 13:12 |
| asettle | Here I am! | 13:12 |
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| eumel8 | hi asettle ;) | 13:12 |
| asettle | o/ hello | 13:12 |
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| ianychoi | asettle, I have just shared that some Docs urls are already changed and we are noticing that user-guide has less content and I said that it might be because the content is moving to actual project repositories | 13:13 |
| ianychoi | Sorry for calling u :) | 13:13 |
| asettle | It is indeed moving :) | 13:13 |
| asettle | Not at all! | 13:13 |
| asettle | :) | 13:13 |
| asettle | If you guys have any questions, please do not hesitate to ping :) | 13:13 |
| ianychoi | :) | 13:13 |
| jftalta | Sorry, I have been disturbed by colleagues who suddenly shown up in my office... | 13:14 |
| eumel8 | :) | 13:14 |
| jftalta | asettle, Hi ! | 13:14 |
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| asettle | Hi jftalta :) | 13:15 |
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| asettle | damn those colleagues :P | 13:16 |
| ianychoi | Now I also notice that https://docs.openstack.org/ja/user-guide/ is not working | 13:16 |
| ianychoi | I will propose to delete such links in https://docs.openstack.org/ja/ and add Japanease team as reviewers | 13:16 |
| eumel8 | +1 | 13:17 |
| ianychoi | #action ianychoi will investigate in some missing links in https://docs.openstack.org/ja/ | 13:17 |
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| ianychoi | Note that I mainly first track Japanese team landing page since the page has the largest number of translated documents :) | 13:17 |
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| ianychoi | #topic String Freeze periods are coming | 13:18 |
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| ianychoi | #link https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html | 13:18 |
| ianychoi | Next week (Jul 24 - Jul 28) is for Soft StringFreeze in Pike cycle | 13:19 |
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| ianychoi | I have not found string freeze managers in I18n team unfortunately. | 13:19 |
| ianychoi | If we do not find relevant string freeze managers, then I think I need to do some minimal notice & actions for String Freezes... | 13:20 |
| jftalta | would be a good thing, if you can | 13:21 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, I am unfortunately too busy now... | 13:21 |
| ianychoi | But thanks :) | 13:22 |
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| jftalta | Ianychoi, I know, I know | 13:22 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, :) | 13:22 |
| ianychoi | #topic extra ATC status for I18n team | 13:22 |
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| ianychoi | Last weekdays were for extra ATC proposing deadline and I safely proposed extra ATCs for I18n team | 13:23 |
| ianychoi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/483452/ | 13:23 |
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| jftalta | btw, there is a new translator in the french team since last tuesday. Seems to be a cool and keen guy :) | 13:24 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, great! | 13:24 |
| ianychoi | Hope that it will be merged soon | 13:24 |
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| ianychoi | In the review, I communicated with fungi and found that having openstackid does not guarantee that the guy is a Foundation member | 13:25 |
| tono | am I in the extra ATC ? | 13:25 |
| ianychoi | For extra ATCs, being Foundation member is important | 13:25 |
| ianychoi | tono, hi:) Suhartono? | 13:25 |
| tono | Yap, I am | 13:26 |
| fungi | right, anyone can have an openstackid for purposes of logging into things like the speaker support system or external resources like translate.o.o | 13:26 |
| ianychoi | tono, sure - please find your name in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/483452/2/reference/projects.yaml :) | 13:26 |
| fungi | but to be able to vote you also have to join the foundation as an individual member | 13:26 |
| tono | Thank you | 13:26 |
| ianychoi | Yep :) Fortunately, openstackid resources API helped me to see whether the member is Foundation member or not | 13:27 |
| fungi | (and make sure the email address in your extra-atc record is added to at least one of the email address fields in your foundation member profile on www.openstack.org) | 13:27 |
| jftalta | fungi, actually. Have a look at this paper written by Jeremy Stanley | 13:27 |
| ianychoi | fungi, thanks a lot for kind explanation! | 13:27 |
| jftalta | Better with the link : http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-July/119786.html | 13:28 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, fungi == Jeremy :) | 13:28 |
| jftalta | :( | 13:28 |
| fungi | jftalta: i wrote it, but that doesn't mean i won't benefit from rereading it ;) | 13:28 |
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| jftalta | ha ha | 13:28 |
| ianychoi | haha | 13:28 |
| ianychoi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/I18nTeam/ATC_statistics#Pike_cycle_.282017-01-06_to_2017-06-30.29 | 13:28 |
| ianychoi | I will revise the script http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/i18n/tree/tools/zanata/zanata_stats.py to also check Foundation member status later | 13:29 |
| ianychoi | And two additional things are needed | 13:29 |
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| ianychoi | 1) Language coordinators need to acknowledge that being Foundation member is important and it needs to be more advertised to translators | 13:30 |
| fungi | ianychoi: i think your patch to add the extra-atcs for this cycle is due to merge today, if ttx gets time to hit the button | 13:30 |
| ianychoi | 2) If users change their e-mail addresses in www.openstack.org, then the change is not reflected to translate.o.o => This might have problems, fungi: would it be solution for this problem? | 13:31 |
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| fungi | ianychoi: yes, just like if contributors change their e-mail address in gerrit and forget to update their foundation member profile | 13:31 |
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| fungi | also, if you fail to vote in at least one of two consecutive elections for the foundation board of directors, your foundation membership lapses and you need to re-join | 13:32 |
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| ianychoi | fungi, then changing e-mail address in translate.o.o is also needed. Hmm, now I can do now is that updating e-mail address in translate.o.o is also needed in I18n contributur guide | 13:33 |
| ianychoi | (I meant documentation) | 13:33 |
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| ianychoi | fungi, yep - thanks for the important info also :) | 13:34 |
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| fungi | my pleasure | 13:36 |
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| ianychoi | fungi, and a little bit sorry for not accomplishing auto syncing ATC status for I18n team. AFAIK newer version of Zanata can retrieve translator lists but unfortunately I18n relys on crawling approach on translate.o.o web site: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/i18n/tree/tools/zanata/zanata_users.py | 13:36 |
| ianychoi | fungi, I think such crawling method is not appropriate to use auto sync of I18n ATC status. I would like to postpone with Zanata upgrade consideration | 13:37 |
| fungi | ianychoi: that sounds fine. there's no rush, but once we get on that version of zanata with proper lookup capabilities it shouldn't be too hard | 13:38 |
| ianychoi | fungi, yep :) Thanks a lot! | 13:38 |
| fungi | you're welcome, as always | 13:38 |
| ianychoi | :) | 13:38 |
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| ianychoi | #action ianychoi will more document Foundation member status information with changing e-mail address in Zanata in I18n contributor guide | 13:39 |
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| tono | +1 | 13:39 |
| ianychoi | tono, thank u :) | 13:39 |
| ianychoi | #topic PTL nomination & election | 13:39 |
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| ianychoi | #link https://governance.openstack.org/election/ | 13:40 |
| ianychoi | Queens PTL nomination is from Jul 31, 2017 23:59 UTC to Aug 09, 2017 23:45 UTC | 13:40 |
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| ianychoi | If there is no PTL nomination from I18n team, then TC (Technical Committee) will consider what TC can do | 13:41 |
| jftalta | it's a topic with a big "T"... | 13:41 |
| jftalta | How much time does it remain to find candidates ? | 13:42 |
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| eumel8 | at least one week, I guess | 13:43 |
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| ianychoi | jftalta, ? Jul 31, 2017 23:59 UTC to Aug 09, 2017 23:45 UTC is PTL election nomination - candidates need to submit candidacy to openstack/election repository | 13:43 |
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| jftalta | ok, 2 weeks | 13:44 |
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| fungi | yes, we appoint a willing ptl after the nomination period if we can (assuming one appears after the nomination period, which sometimes happens) or we look into ways to reorganize by either folding the leaderless team into another team willing to provide leadership, converting it into a workgroup/sig, or remove its official team status (which doesn't prevent the team from still doing their work | 13:45 |
| fungi | unofficially if they want) | 13:45 |
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| ianychoi | Yep :) http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-January/109622.html would be one example | 13:46 |
| fungi | but it's a far better situation if someone volunteers before the tc needs to step in and take one of those actions | 13:46 |
| ianychoi | I sent an e-mail titled "Asking opinions with team direction" to I18n current cores and sent a reminder e-mail about a week ago | 13:48 |
| jftalta | it would be too bad to watch the team disappearing cause the lack of ptl :( | 13:48 |
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| eumel8 | I answered the email already, ianychoi :) | 13:48 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, yep :) Thanks again! | 13:48 |
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| eumel8 | thx for the options, fungi. I think we will found a solution. | 13:49 |
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| ianychoi | eumel8, yep writing what I18n PTL did at least would be helpful to all :) | 13:50 |
| jftalta | ianychoi, yes it would ! | 13:51 |
| ianychoi | It is high priority in my to-do list but unfortunately there are too much in my to-do list with higher priorities :( | 13:51 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: send me the time and I will set my alarm clock for a meeting :) | 13:52 |
| jftalta | Just add an eighteenth day to your weeks ;) | 13:52 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, yep or having another discussion time with u might be so helpful to me | 13:52 |
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| ianychoi | #topic Open discussion | 13:53 |
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| eumel8 | We can also continue as a working group but this needs also a leadership in the future (from my experience in other OpenStack working groups) | 13:53 |
| jftalta | sorry, I meant an eighth ;) | 13:53 |
| genek | Am I too late to the meeting? Just missed my alarm | 13:53 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, :) eumel8, I am not too much familiar with working groups but yep.. I agree with u | 13:54 |
| ianychoi | genek, hi! | 13:54 |
| eumel8 | hi genek | 13:54 |
| jftalta | genek, hi | 13:54 |
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| genek | Hi all, sorry for being late | 13:54 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, I think translation checksite needs to be more discussed with infra teams. | 13:54 |
| fungi | i was hoping we'd see more replies on that thread | 13:55 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, maybe we can attend to infra team IRC meeting and share the details - which things are needed from infra team | 13:55 |
| genek | ianychoi, that will be a great idea | 13:55 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: true. Didn't understood Andy's last message about zuul configuration | 13:55 |
| fungi | i'm trying not to always be the volunteer of last resort on the infra team, but we're stretched pretty thin so apologies if we seem to not reply to messages like that quickly | 13:56 |
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| ianychoi | eumel8, lots of translate checksite was under public but it is so nice idea to discuss in mailing lists | 13:56 |
| fungi | glad to see the ansible team stepping in and giving suggestions though | 13:56 |
| genek | yeah, just heard this week at OpenStack Day Taiwan that the infra team is lacking new contributors | 13:57 |
| ianychoi | fungi, I totally understand infra team situation and I am always thankful to infra team - very supportive and kind replies and suggestions :) | 13:57 |
| fungi | i just wish we had more bandwidth to tackle stuff in a timely fashion, but it is what it is | 13:58 |
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| ianychoi | genek, IMHO participating in infra team needs lots of background and knowledge but I suggest people to stay in #openstack-infra IRC channel and try to follow what people are discussing | 13:59 |
| fungi | we rely on people figuring things out for themselves as much as possible | 13:59 |
| eumel8 | fungi: We are all overclocked. Let me know if you need some kind of support. | 13:59 |
| ianychoi | Time is up | 13:59 |
| fungi | eumel8: thanks, will do | 13:59 |
| ianychoi | If you have more discussions, please come to #openstack-i18n channel | 13:59 |
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| ianychoi | Thanks a lot for today IRC meeting - eumel8 jftalta tono fungi asettle and genek ! | 14:00 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: I will contact Andy again and ask for his opinions. | 14:00 |
| ianychoi | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 20 14:00:24 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-07-20-13.00.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-07-20-13.00.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-07-20-13.00.log.html | 14:00 |
| eumel8 | thx ianychoi for the host | 14:00 |
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| andreaf | #startmeeting qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 20 17:00:15 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is andreaf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:00 |
| andreaf | hello folks | 17:00 |
| jlvillal | o/ | 17:00 |
| andreaf | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_July_20th_2017_.281700_UTC.29 today's agenda | 17:00 |
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| andreaf | o/ | 17:01 |
| andreaf | who else is here for the meeting today? | 17:01 |
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| mguiney | o/ | 17:01 |
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| jlvillal | me :) | 17:01 |
| dustins | \o | 17:01 |
| andreaf | oomichi, mtreinish, afazekas: around? | 17:01 |
| afazekas | \o | 17:02 |
| blancos | o/ | 17:02 |
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| andreaf | ok let's start - welcome everyone | 17:03 |
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| andreaf | There are no action items from last meeting to be reviewed | 17:03 |
| andreaf | #topic PTG | 17:03 |
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| andreaf | I just wanted to mention that I set-up an etherpad to start collecting ideas about how to best spend out face to face time at the PTG | 17:04 |
| andreaf | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/qa-queens-ptg PTG etherpad | 17:04 |
| andreaf | if you think you are going to be there and/or have a topic to be discussed please enter it in there | 17:04 |
| andreaf | even if you're not sure you're going to be in Denver | 17:04 |
| andreaf | also I'm looking for volunteers for the QA help ours | 17:05 |
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| afazekas | andreaf, What exactly these help ours means ? | 17:06 |
| andreaf | afazekas | 17:06 |
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| andreaf | afazekas: the proposal is that during the first two days WG will hold their sessions and in parallel horizontal teams will be available in a room to answer questions / solve problems for people from other teams | 17:07 |
| andreaf | afazekas: there was a thread in the ML | 17:07 |
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| felipemonteiro_ | o/ | 17:07 |
| andreaf | afazekas: my plan is to rotate our presence in the room so that we can join WG (or SIG?) sessions when relevant | 17:08 |
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| andreaf | afazekas: since we have a community goal in queens specific to tempest plugins it would be good to provide help to whoever needs it on that | 17:08 |
| afazekas | andreaf, ok, If I am going I can help | 17:09 |
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| andreaf | afazekas: cool, thanks! | 17:09 |
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| andreaf | afazekas: I hope you can be there | 17:09 |
| andreaf | ok anything else on PTG? | 17:10 |
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| andreaf | #topic Gate statbility | 17:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Gate statbility (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:11 | |
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| andreaf | this week chandakumar was signed up for https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pike-gate-issue-categotisation - but he's not around | 17:11 |
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| andreaf | I don't have anything special to mention on stability today | 17:12 |
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| andreaf | Just one note about the puppet jobs in Tempest - they are non-voting but we should check them on a regularly | 17:13 |
| andreaf | And not break them like I did with the orchestration client patch | 17:13 |
| andreaf | EmilienM was kind enough to add the testr_html report to the test results, so they test results are easier to get as well now | 17:14 |
| EmilienM | o/ | 17:14 |
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| EmilienM | andreaf: not merged yet | 17:14 |
| EmilienM | but merged very soon if not this week | 17:14 |
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| andreaf | thanks for that, it is helpful | 17:15 |
| EmilienM | it was good feedback, thank *you* for the idea | 17:16 |
| andreaf | ok - anything else on gate stability? | 17:16 |
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| andreaf | #topic Spec reviews | 17:17 |
| andreaf | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z | 17:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Spec reviews (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:17 | |
| andreaf | I don't have anything today on spec reviews | 17:17 |
| felipemonteiro | andreaf: i reviewed your spec as best i understood it | 17:18 |
| andreaf | But we will probably want to discuss some of them at the PTG, so it would be good to review them in advance | 17:18 |
| andreaf | felipemonteiro: cool - the resources one? | 17:18 |
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| felipemonteiro | yes | 17:18 |
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| felipemonteiro | the multiple rbac policy i wrote still hasn't been reviewed and i probably won't attend the ptg, so would be nice to get some feedback on it before queens | 17:19 |
| andreaf | oomichi took over that spec about a cycle ago, so it has been a bit out of my radar | 17:19 |
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| andreaf | felipemonteiro: right, I didn't get around reviewing it yet, I will try to do so tomorrow | 17:20 |
| felipemonteiro | andreaf: thanks, it's fairly straightforward, nothing revolutionary | 17:20 |
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| andreaf | felipemonteiro: ok | 17:21 |
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| andreaf | anything else on spec reviews? | 17:21 |
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| andreaf | #topic Tempest | 17:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tempest (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:22 | |
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| andreaf | prateek around? | 17:23 |
| andreaf | looking for update on bug triage... | 17:23 |
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| andreaf | on Tempest side mtreinish is working on cred providers as stable interfaces, I'm working on test.py , clients.py and others as stable interfaces, gmann is working on swift client as stable interface | 17:24 |
| andreaf | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tempest-test-module-stable some of the stable interface work | 17:24 |
| andreaf | I would really like to close that work during Pike so comments and reviews on any of that would be very welcome | 17:25 |
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| andreaf | this is marked as top priority for Pike in our prio list, and it has high impact on the community since if we have more stable interfaces we are less likely to break the gate for folks | 17:26 |
| andreaf | anything else on Tempest? | 17:26 |
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| andreaf | #topic Patrole | 17:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Patrole (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:27 | |
| andreaf | Anything on Patrole? | 17:27 |
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| felipemonteiro_ | just updating documentation, striving to make some interfaces stable | 17:28 |
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| andreaf | felipemonteiro_ : nice | 17:29 |
| andreaf | the policy in code goal for queens will have impact on Patrole - is that something we can address after the PTG ? | 17:29 |
| felipemonteiro_ | we already support policy in code. there's an intermittent period between the time when it's in policy.json and in code where the policies won't be discoverably by patrole, that's it to my knowledge | 17:30 |
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| felipemonteiro_ | because requires updating setup.cfg with the appropriate entry point for oslo policy generator (and patrole) to discover policies | 17:30 |
| felipemonteiro_ | we don't support policy.yaml though...patrole actually needs more work in supporting custom policy files | 17:31 |
| andreaf | felipemonteiro_: updating setup.cfg on patrole requires all services to have policy in code? | 17:33 |
| felipemonteiro_ | er, here's an example: #link https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/79f6920eac135ab67476f75cc1d281e295cf0c84/setup.cfg#L39 | 17:34 |
| felipemonteiro_ | keystone does the same, and murano | 17:34 |
| felipemonteiro_ | so if glance is making the transition to policy in code, they usually update their setup.cfg as the last step of the transition. until that's done though, patrole won't find the policies because they're not in the policy.json and not yet discoverable in the setup.cfg. | 17:35 |
| andreaf | felipemonteiro_: heh ok so the change is on the service side, fine | 17:35 |
| andreaf | felipemonteiro_: I see - so how do you deal with that for patrole CI? do you disable tests until the work is done? | 17:37 |
| felipemonteiro_ | we skip them to avoid breaking the gate. it's very unfortunate (we skip ~15 tests right now) but when keystone was doing the transition in p-1 we were skipping like 80. then as soon as the setup.cfg change was done in keystone, we went back to our normal # of skips... we have a CONF opt to make it fail the test though which is false in the gates. | 17:38 |
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| andreaf | felipemonteiro_: got it - thanks for bearing with my questions :) | 17:39 |
| felipemonteiro_ | np, ptl has to know these things :) | 17:40 |
| andreaf | anything else on Patrole? | 17:40 |
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| felipemonteiro_ | not from me | 17:41 |
| andreaf | #topic Critical Reviews | 17:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Critical Reviews (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:41 | |
| andreaf | Any review that requires urgent attention? | 17:41 |
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| andreaf | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:cred_providers_clients | 17:42 |
| felipemonteiro_ | does that include one that affects tempest.lib? | 17:42 |
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| andreaf | felipemonteiro_: yes | 17:43 |
| andreaf | it's the migration of credential providers to tempest.lib | 17:43 |
| felipemonteiro_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/483115/ | 17:43 |
| felipemonteiro_ | ^ i had in mind that, not sure if it's "critical" though | 17:43 |
| andreaf | thanks | 17:45 |
| andreaf | anything else? | 17:45 |
| andreaf | #topic Open Discussion | 17:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:45 | |
| lwanderley | Hey, I'm just using moment to ask for some review, I'm intern in the Outreachy program and I've submitted this patch #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/472482/ fixing the ldap plugin on devstack and creating a ldap domain, could someone who understand devstack take a look at it? | 17:46 |
| jlvillal | What happened to my topic??? | 17:46 |
| jlvillal | Removal of core reviewers from openstack-dev/hacking (jlvillal) | 17:47 |
| andreaf | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/472482/ | 17:47 |
| andreaf | lwanderley: thanks I will have a look | 17:47 |
| andreaf | jlvillal: doh sorry refresh problem - I see it now | 17:47 |
| jlvillal | heh :) | 17:48 |
| andreaf | #topic Removal of core reviewers from openstack-dev/hacking | 17:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Removal of core reviewers from openstack-dev/hacking (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:48 | |
| andreaf | jlvillal: the floor is yours | 17:48 |
| jlvillal | Well I think we should remove those two core reviewers. | 17:48 |
| jlvillal | No reviews in over a year for one and almost a year for the other | 17:48 |
| jlvillal | And it would be nice if more cores were added or current cores reviewed more. | 17:49 |
| andreaf | jlvillal: I have no objection to removing those two since they are not active anymore | 17:49 |
| felipemonteiro_ | speaking of which, there's a patrole core that can be removed too, david purcell | 17:50 |
| jlvillal | More reviewers would be nice. I haven't had any reviews on my patch from a core: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447252/ | 17:50 |
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| andreaf | jlvillal: what's the amount of traffic on the project? do we have many open reviews? | 17:50 |
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| jlvillal | Fairly low I think | 17:50 |
| jlvillal | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack-dev/hacking+status:open | 17:51 |
| jlvillal | Five open reviews. So very small :) | 17:51 |
| andreaf | jlvillal: I think we can handle this load on demand - i.e. if there is a patch that needs reviews ping in the QA room / ask for reviews in the meeting | 17:52 |
| jlvillal | andreaf: Okay. Thanks | 17:53 |
| jlvillal | Reviews please for: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447252/ :) | 17:53 |
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| andreaf | jlvillal: more core reviewers are always welcome of course | 17:53 |
| andreaf | jlvillal: are you volunteering to ramp up on it? | 17:53 |
| andreaf | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447252/ | 17:54 |
| jlvillal | andreaf: Uh... Maybe. Ironic core is keeping me pretty busy. | 17:54 |
| jlvillal | andreaf: But I'll try to review more of the patches. I see a couple which I haven't reviewed yet. | 17:54 |
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| andreaf | jlvillal: heh I bet it does keep you busy :) | 17:55 |
| jlvillal | andreaf: Yep. Especially since we lost four cores in the last six months :( | 17:55 |
| jlvillal | I'm done and happy to move to Open Discussion | 17:56 |
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| andreaf | ok | 17:56 |
| andreaf | #topic Open Discussion | 17:56 |
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| andreaf | 3 minutes left | 17:56 |
| andreaf | I was wondering if anyone had negative / positive stories to share about office hours in other projects | 17:57 |
| andreaf | but I guess there's little time left now | 17:57 |
| andreaf | I'm starting to looking into those as a potential alternative to meetings for QA but I have no direct experience with them yet | 17:58 |
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| raildo | andreaf, I suggest talk with the Keystone team, they are doing office hours for a while | 17:59 |
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| andreaf | raildo: will do, thank you! | 17:59 |
| raildo | andreaf, yw | 17:59 |
| andreaf | thanks everyone for joining today | 17:59 |
| andreaf | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 20 18:00:04 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-07-20-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-07-20-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-07-20-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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| mriedem | #startmeeting nova | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 20 21:00:15 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:00 |
| dansmith | ohai | 21:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 21:00 |
| efried | \o | 21:00 |
| melwitt | o/ | 21:00 |
| TheJulia | o/ | 21:01 |
| nic | \m/ | 21:01 |
| mriedem | ok let's get started | 21:01 |
| mriedem | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 21:01 |
| jaypipes | o/ | 21:01 |
| mriedem | #topic release news | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release news (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:02 | |
| mriedem | so i heard there is a release around the corner | 21:02 |
| mriedem | #link Pike release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Pike_Release_Schedule | 21:02 |
| mriedem | #info July 27 is feature freeze (1 week away) | 21:02 |
| mriedem | #info July 20 (today) is the release freeze for non-client libraries (oslo, os-vif, os-traits, os-brick): https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html#p-final-lib | 21:02 |
| * bauzas waves late | 21:02 | |
| mriedem | we've done the final os-vif and os-traits releases already | 21:02 |
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| mriedem | if you needed something from oslo or keystoneauth, you'd better get cracking on it before dims passes out | 21:02 |
| * dims waves | 21:03 | |
| mriedem | #info Blueprints: 65 targeted, 64 approved, 33 completed (+4 from last week) | 21:03 |
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| mriedem | yay we officially made it over the 50% mark | 21:03 |
| mriedem | which i think is a passing grade in the US now | 21:03 |
| cburgess | lol | 21:04 |
| cburgess | and... sad.... | 21:04 |
| mriedem | thank you | 21:04 |
| mriedem | i'll be here all week | 21:04 |
| mriedem | #link Pike feature freeze blueprint tracker etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-pike-feature-freeze-status | 21:04 |
| mriedem | i'm keeping ^ up to date throughout the day | 21:04 |
| mriedem | trying to focus reviews a bit | 21:04 |
| mriedem | any questions about the release? | 21:04 |
| mriedem | ok moving on | 21:05 |
| mriedem | #topic bugs | 21:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:05 | |
| mriedem | nothing is listed as critical | 21:05 |
| mriedem | #help Need help with bug triage; there are 123 (+8 from last week) new untriaged bugs as of today (July 20). | 21:05 |
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| mriedem | just a note, after the FF, we have 2 weeks until the rc1 | 21:05 |
| mriedem | so we'll have to start going through those untriaged bugs here at some point to see if there are stop ship rc candidates | 21:05 |
| mriedem | "rc candidates" is redundant | 21:06 |
| mriedem | i know | 21:06 |
| mriedem | speaking of | 21:06 |
| mriedem | #info Starting to tag bugs for pike-rc-potential: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=pike-rc-potential | 21:06 |
| mriedem | so if you spot a bug that looks like a major regression or upgrade issue, please tag it | 21:06 |
| mriedem | gate status | 21:06 |
| mriedem | #link check queue gate status http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html | 21:06 |
| mriedem | well, we know the functional tests have been wonky | 21:07 |
| mriedem | something to do with lock timeouts | 21:07 |
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| mriedem | i started playing with that here but it went badly https://review.openstack.org/#/c/485335/ | 21:07 |
| melwitt | heh | 21:07 |
| mriedem | turns out that if you don't set the external lock fixture, | 21:07 |
| mriedem | we're still starting services, like the network service, which has code that uses external locks, | 21:08 |
| mriedem | and if you don't have the lock_path configured, it blows up | 21:08 |
| mriedem | so maybe we can stub that out, i haven't had time to dig into it | 21:08 |
| mriedem | oslo.concurrency does have some fixtures for this though | 21:08 |
| mriedem | #link 3rd party CI status http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=nova&time=7+days | 21:09 |
| mriedem | i noticed the xenserver ci was busted the other night | 21:09 |
| mriedem | i don't know if that's been fixed | 21:09 |
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| mriedem | questions about bugs? | 21:09 |
| mriedem | ok moving on | 21:09 |
| mriedem | #topic reminders | 21:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reminders (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:09 | |
| mriedem | #link Pike Review Priorities etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pike-nova-priorities-tracking | 21:09 |
| mriedem | ^ is probably stale, and i'm personally focusing on the FF etherpad above | 21:10 |
| mriedem | #link Consider signing up for the Queens PTG which is the week of September 11 in Denver, CO, USA: https://www.openstack.org/ptg | 21:10 |
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| mriedem | #topic stable branch status | 21:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "stable branch status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:10 | |
| mriedem | there isn't really any news here | 21:10 |
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| mriedem | we have some things to review, | 21:10 |
| mriedem | and i'll probably do stable branch releases around rc1 | 21:11 |
| mriedem | #topic subteam highlights | 21:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "subteam highlights (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:11 | |
| mriedem | dansmith: things for cells v2? | 21:11 |
| dansmith | no meeting this week, | 21:11 |
| dansmith | made some progress on the quotas set, which is our highest priority | 21:11 |
| dansmith | need more tho | 21:11 |
| dansmith | that is all. | 21:11 |
| mriedem | right so quotas are now at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/410945/ | 21:12 |
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| mriedem | which is moving quotas into the api db | 21:12 |
| mriedem | it's 2 changes | 21:12 |
| mriedem | the counting quotas stuff is all approved though | 21:12 |
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| dansmith | aye | 21:12 |
| mriedem | and the external-server-events thing is approved | 21:12 |
| mriedem | it just doesn't want to merge | 21:12 |
| dansmith | nor do lots of things | 21:12 |
| dansmith | it's in the gate right no though | 21:13 |
| dansmith | *now | 21:13 |
| mriedem | beyond tha twe have some docs and bugs to fix | 21:13 |
| mriedem | tracking those here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-pike-cells-v2-todos | 21:13 |
| * dansmith nods | 21:13 | |
| mriedem | #help cells v2 TODOs https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-pike-cells-v2-todos | 21:13 |
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| mriedem | ok scheduler stuff | 21:13 |
| mriedem | edleafe: ? | 21:13 |
| jaypipes | I'll fill in for ed | 21:13 |
| jaypipes | he's out | 21:13 |
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| mriedem | ok | 21:14 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: basically, thanks to cdent and gibi we identified a nasty little bug in the placement shared resource providers SQL code. | 21:14 |
| mriedem | and... | 21:15 |
| dansmith | jaypipes is a master of suspense | 21:15 |
| * jaypipes looking for link | 21:15 | |
| bauzas | The secret of the universe is... | 21:15 |
| * dansmith is on the edge of his seat | 21:16 | |
| cburgess | 42 | 21:16 |
| jaypipes | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/485088/ | 21:16 |
| jaypipes | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/485088/ | 21:16 |
| jaypipes | that is the cause of the transient NoValidHosts functional test failures we were seeing | 21:16 |
| mriedem | oh nice | 21:16 |
| jaypipes | my bad for not notifying you and dansmith sooner. | 21:16 |
| efried | mriedem is clearly spoiled by edleafe's prepared copy/paste reports | 21:16 |
| mriedem | i saw the talk | 21:17 |
| jaypipes | for some reason I thought I did but no. | 21:17 |
| mriedem | i mean, | 21:17 |
| jaypipes | efried: no, I'm just an idiot. | 21:17 |
| mriedem | people been talkin' | 21:17 |
| mriedem | talkin' about patches | 21:17 |
| dansmith | mriedem: talkin bout talkin? | 21:17 |
| mriedem | i like to do the bonnie rait joke once per year | 21:17 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: outside of that major bug fix, there is the placement-claims work | 21:17 |
| melwitt | I got it :) | 21:17 |
| jaypipes | which has gotten reviews and is slowly being merged. | 21:18 |
| mriedem | yeah so claims https://review.openstack.org/#/c/483566/ | 21:18 |
| mriedem | jaypipes: you see the bug in there? | 21:18 |
| mriedem | like, you don't have to understand it right now | 21:18 |
| mriedem | but there is a bug in there, found by gib | 21:18 |
| mriedem | *gibi | 21:18 |
| mriedem | #info gibi is finding lots of placement bugs - yay gibi | 21:19 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: yeah, sorry, I dropped the ball on that. will address shortly after meeting. | 21:19 |
| mriedem | we also need to talk about alternatives at some point | 21:19 |
| mriedem | but can do that later | 21:19 |
| mriedem | i'd like to rap about contingency plans, mkay? | 21:19 |
| * mriedem turns his chair around | 21:19 | |
| jaypipes | go for it. | 21:19 |
| mriedem | well, later | 21:19 |
| mriedem | well, or now | 21:20 |
| mriedem | main question is, if we don't get alternatives sorted out going to the computes, what breaks or do we lose? | 21:20 |
| jaypipes | there's some outstanding traits-related things that are also in-flight from alex_xu | 21:20 |
| jaypipes | including a bug fix that is important. I need to finish the review on that one. | 21:20 |
| jaypipes | re-review.. | 21:20 |
| mriedem | we lose the separate conductors | 21:20 |
| dansmith | we lose separate conductors for retries | 21:20 |
| mriedem | right | 21:21 |
| mriedem | asking from another pov, | 21:21 |
| jaypipes | well, yeah, we can't fulfill our promise of retaining retries in cellsv2 | 21:21 |
| dansmith | could be worse, | 21:21 |
| bauzas | What Dan said | 21:21 |
| mriedem | if we land the claims in the scheduler, but not alternatives going to computes, is that ok? | 21:21 |
| dansmith | one of the first people that should be doing things with cellsv2 and pike don't care about retries anyway | 21:21 |
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| dansmith | mriedem: if we haven't removed the regular retry mechanism it should still work the same way it does now, right? | 21:21 |
| melwitt | who is that? CERN? | 21:21 |
| dansmith | melwitt: yeah | 21:21 |
| mriedem | dansmith: yes, | 21:22 |
| mriedem | i just want to make sure we're not missing something, | 21:22 |
| mriedem | or that once we claim in the scheduler we lose something or break something else | 21:22 |
| mriedem | but i think that if you're single level conductor it's business as usual, | 21:22 |
| dansmith | yep | 21:22 |
| mriedem | but you get the up-front claim protection which should mitigate some of the claim race failures in the computes | 21:22 |
| mriedem | so we're making progress still | 21:22 |
| bauzas | I don't think we would have other problems | 21:22 |
| mriedem | and we'll still retry alternatives if the allocation request in the scheduler fails | 21:23 |
| mriedem | due to a race | 21:23 |
| bauzas | Correct | 21:23 |
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| jaypipes | right | 21:24 |
| mriedem | is the retry happening in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/483566/ yet? | 21:24 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: oh yes. | 21:24 |
| bauzas | Yup | 21:24 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: line 189 in filter_scheduler.py | 21:24 |
| mriedem | ok i was looking at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/483566/4/nova/scheduler/filter_scheduler.py@203 | 21:25 |
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| jaypipes | mriedem: that's after all retries. | 21:25 |
| mriedem | ok and the number of hosts is limited by the number of retries? | 21:25 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: no | 21:25 |
| dansmith | there's no retries in this code right? | 21:26 |
| mriedem | so we could retry 1000 times? | 21:26 |
| mriedem | the retry is the for loop over hosts on L189 | 21:26 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: yes, there is. line 189-200 | 21:26 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: yes, we can retry 1000 times. | 21:26 |
| mriedem | but we don't limit that by the configurable retry option | 21:26 |
| dansmith | uh | 21:26 |
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| dansmith | so wait, this is a loop over all the hosts we got back from placement, | 21:27 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: correct. | 21:27 |
| mriedem | and filtered/weighed | 21:27 |
| dansmith | and we try to claim one until we run out of hosts or get one? | 21:27 |
| jaypipes | yes | 21:27 |
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| dansmith | okay, I hadn't noticed that the first time around, but I see now | 21:28 |
| mriedem | so is there a reason we don't limit by the config? | 21:28 |
| dansmith | to be clear, this is just retries in the claiming sense, | 21:28 |
| dansmith | not the *reschedule* that won't work without the alternatives stuff | 21:28 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: no reason really... | 21:28 |
| mriedem | dansmith: yeah i get that | 21:28 |
| bauzas | Honestly its just for a race | 21:28 |
| mriedem | so retrying here 1000 times is better than retrying compute > conductor > scheduler * 1000 | 21:28 |
| dansmith | I feel like we should limit here, but I'm not sure why to be honest | 21:28 |
| mriedem | i feel like we should limit too, | 21:29 |
| dansmith | because as bauzas says, this should only be a race between placement saying something is good and us trying it | 21:29 |
| bauzas | In case two concurrent requests get the same destination | 21:29 |
| mriedem | but only because if we goofed something up and are going to retry 1000 times on a set of hosts that won't ever match | 21:29 |
| dansmith | you'd need a lot of concurrent schedulers to race through 1000 of them | 21:29 |
| bauzas | Yup | 21:29 |
| dansmith | so, I'm tempted to leave it as is and backport an emergency fix if we find people are hitting it in some way | 21:30 |
| bauzas | Looks a minor issue for me IMHO | 21:30 |
| jaypipes | and a lot of luck. remember there's the randomization of the host subset as well | 21:30 |
| mriedem | release note? | 21:30 |
| dansmith | in reality, we probably have to fix whatever is causing them to hit it and not just the limit | 21:30 |
| dansmith | jaypipes: aye | 21:30 |
| mriedem | dansmith: yeah agreed | 21:30 |
| mriedem | the retry is papering over a bigger problem | 21:30 |
| dansmith | mriedem: sure, reno for the warning perhaps | 21:30 |
| mriedem | ok | 21:30 |
| jaypipes | happy to do that. | 21:30 |
| mriedem | let's continue that fun in the review | 21:30 |
| jaypipes | k | 21:30 |
| bauzas | Reno FTW | 21:30 |
| mriedem | remember, reno is the way we can always say "we told you so" :) | 21:31 |
| mriedem | "we told you it was going to break!" | 21:31 |
| dansmith | we're making a lot of people watch a small conversation, fwiw | 21:31 |
| mriedem | good | 21:31 |
| mriedem | we're a family here | 21:31 |
| mriedem | ok moving on then | 21:31 |
| mriedem | thanks for the discussion | 21:31 |
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| mriedem | the api meeting, i don't think i was tehre | 21:32 |
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| mriedem | sdague: were you? | 21:32 |
| mriedem | the no more api extensions stuff is working its way through https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/api-no-more-extensions-pike+status:open | 21:32 |
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| mriedem | the service/hypervisor uuids apis landed for 2.53 | 21:32 |
| mriedem | i'm working on the novaclient changes for that one now | 21:32 |
| mriedem | notification meeting was relatively short, | 21:33 |
| mriedem | gibi and i talked about the last remaining change for the searchlight notifications series | 21:33 |
| mriedem | which is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/459493/ | 21:33 |
| mriedem | and we talked about the updated_at bug fix from takashin | 21:33 |
| mriedem | this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/475276/ | 21:34 |
| mriedem | there is something weird going on in there where the updated_at field isn't set on the instance record even after we've updated the vm/task state in there | 21:34 |
| mriedem | and updated_at should be set anytime there is an ONUPDATE triggered by a db record update | 21:34 |
| mriedem | so it's weird | 21:34 |
| mriedem | that's the only thing i'm holding my +2 for | 21:35 |
| mriedem | ok cinder stuff | 21:35 |
| mriedem | making progress, the swap volume change merged | 21:35 |
| mriedem | open reviews are now https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+topic:bp/cinder-new-attach-apis+branch:master | 21:35 |
| mriedem | the check_detach one is close | 21:35 |
| mriedem | stvnoyes found a problem in the live migration one and is fixing it up | 21:35 |
| mriedem | and we need a cinderclient release | 21:35 |
| mriedem | but it's really down to like mainly 2 changes | 21:35 |
| mriedem | so any help there on reviews would be appreciated | 21:36 |
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| mriedem | #topic stuck reviews | 21:36 |
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| mriedem | there was nothing in the agenda, so does anyone have something to mention here? | 21:36 |
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| mriedem | alright then | 21:36 |
| mriedem | #topic open discussion | 21:36 |
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| nic | So I made a thing: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/libvirt-virtio-set-queue-sizes | 21:37 |
| nic | I can't see this landing in Pike, seeing as it exposes functionality in libvirt that hasn't even merged yet, and therefore technically doesn't exist | 21:37 |
| nic | But it's been a while since I've done any Nova work, and I could use some expert eyes on it to make sure I'm not crazy, and that my approach makes some sense | 21:37 |
| nic | And I could use some help getting it prioritized somewhere, obviously | 21:37 |
| mriedem | nic: i'll target the bp to queens so we can discuss it after the pike release | 21:37 |
| nic | \o/ | 21:37 |
| cburgess | I will be in Denever and nic might be so we could discuss it there as well? | 21:38 |
| cburgess | Denver even... | 21:38 |
| mriedem | sure | 21:38 |
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| dansmith | I like how that was "de never" | 21:38 |
| cburgess | In the meantime I think what nic was asking is.. are we even headed in the right direction or is it omg abort? | 21:38 |
| mriedem | talk to sean-k-mooney | 21:38 |
| mriedem | or vladikr maybe? | 21:38 |
| jangutter | nic: I'm also interested. For the NFV case with low drops, you sometimes need larger queues. | 21:39 |
| cburgess | jangutter Thats what its for... | 21:39 |
| mriedem | i've added people to the review | 21:39 |
| nic | Excellent | 21:39 |
| cburgess | jangutter We hit it with NFV work loads under NFV. We carry a local set of patches for now to work around this but obviously want to get it into upstream. | 21:40 |
| cburgess | NFV workloads under VPP even | 21:40 |
| cburgess | I can't type today... or ever. | 21:40 |
| jangutter | cburgess: Yep, and partly QEMU's also to blame :-( | 21:40 |
| cburgess | jangutter yeah | 21:40 |
| mriedem | alright, anything else? | 21:40 |
| mriedem | i'll take that as a no | 21:41 |
| mriedem | 1 week left | 21:41 |
| mriedem | thanks everyone | 21:41 |
| mriedem | #endmeeting | 21:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 20 21:41:23 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-07-20-21.00.html | 21:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-07-20-21.00.txt | 21:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-07-20-21.00.log.html | 21:41 |
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| kevinbenton | hello! | 22:00 |
| kevinbenton | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 20 22:00:30 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kevinbenton. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 22:00 |
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| ihrachys | o/ | 22:00 |
| kevinbenton | armax, mlavalle, amotoki: ping | 22:01 |
| armax | pong | 22:01 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 22:01 |
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| kevinbenton | before we start with RFEs, i need to bring up an issue i ran into with making it possible to expose 'router:external' subnets | 22:02 |
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| kevinbenton | in order to allow the policy engine to permit subnets to be visible | 22:02 |
| kevinbenton | (context is #link https://launchpad.net/bugs/1653932) | 22:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1653932 in neutron "[rfe] network router:external field not exported" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Kevin Benton (kevinbenton) | 22:03 |
| kevinbenton | i have to add a DB hook that makes the user subnet query actually return the external subnets as well | 22:03 |
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| kevinbenton | however, if we don't make external subnets visible by default in policy.json | 22:04 |
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| kevinbenton | there is a mismatch between what the DB returns and what is filtered out by policy | 22:04 |
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| kevinbenton | this becomes a problem in pagination | 22:04 |
| kevinbenton | because pagination asks for X records | 22:04 |
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| kevinbenton | but then policy engine filters out some and we end up with a shortage | 22:05 |
| kevinbenton | http://logs.openstack.org/94/476094/4/check/gate-neutron-dsvm-api-ubuntu-xenial/a42d8fe/testr_results.html.gz | 22:05 |
| ihrachys | (I knew those tests will trigger one day lol!) | 22:05 |
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| kevinbenton | so the question is, do we adjust the pagination tests to expect sometimes fewer records than asked for? | 22:05 |
| ihrachys | I don't think so, that would be a weird api behaviour | 22:06 |
| ihrachys | horizon will be all over us | 22:06 |
| kevinbenton | do we attempt to have the policy engine inform the DB query builder (quite difficult) | 22:06 |
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| kevinbenton | or do we just adjust our default policy to now expose external subnets? | 22:06 |
| ihrachys | they complained about inconsistent/broken behavior of pagination in different projects before. we will add more to the grief. ;) | 22:06 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: yeah, i can see that | 22:07 |
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| kevinbenton | i've outlined it in this email thread http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-July/119863.html | 22:07 |
| armax | not sure I fully grasp why now pagination tests fail | 22:07 |
| kevinbenton | armax: db hook makes the query return external subnets | 22:07 |
| kevinbenton | armax: so you have a mix of your own and external subnets | 22:08 |
| ihrachys | armax, native pagination enabled for the plugin | 22:08 |
| armax | but changing tests or policy.json seems like masking a breaking change | 22:08 |
| kevinbenton | armax: but policy engine by default filters that out | 22:08 |
| armax | kevinbenton: so the pagination tests break because now there’s more subnets? | 22:08 |
| ihrachys | I think we will need to pass those filters from policy engine into plugin somehow | 22:08 |
| ihrachys | not sure how though | 22:08 |
| kevinbenton | armax: yeah, the pagination tests will break whenever there is a mismatch between policy and db result | 22:08 |
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| armax | I see | 22:09 |
| kevinbenton | any time the policy engine filters out entire records | 22:09 |
| armax | but shouldn’t pagination come after policy filtering? | 22:09 |
| armax | in the pipeline I mean | 22:09 |
| ihrachys | armax, pagination is implemented in sqlalchemy code | 22:09 |
| ihrachys | if plugin supports 'native' pagination | 22:09 |
| ihrachys | which is the case for ml2 | 22:10 |
| armax | i see | 22:10 |
| kevinbenton | right | 22:10 |
| armax | ok now I get it | 22:10 |
| kevinbenton | as ihrachys highlighted, the correct fix is to somehow have the policy engine policies build the queries used | 22:10 |
| kevinbenton | this has been on my wishlist for a long time because the policy engine is actually a lot less flexible than it appears | 22:10 |
| kevinbenton | (the DB queries filter out any non-default access) | 22:11 |
| kevinbenton | but it's going to be a significant effort i think to have something that translates policy entries into column filters | 22:11 |
| kevinbenton | for SQLA | 22:12 |
| armax | yeah | 22:12 |
| armax | that sounds messy | 22:12 |
| ihrachys | kevinbenton, can we pass policy info via context? | 22:12 |
| armax | unless this was special cased just to deal with subnets for external networks | 22:12 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: yeah, i think we can do the work to get policies attached to context | 22:12 |
| ihrachys | then deep in db code, we would extract that and build accordingly | 22:12 |
| ihrachys | ok | 22:13 |
| ihrachys | at least no need for a new plugin entry point :p | 22:13 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: yeah, i think the 'build accordingly' bit is where it gets messy | 22:13 |
| ihrachys | and it sounds like this work better go to oslo.policy/oslo.context? | 22:13 |
| armax | I suppose another crazy idea would be to turn external networks into regular networks | 22:13 |
| ihrachys | kevinbenton, if it's a special case that we know about, it's not that bad | 22:13 |
| armax | with an extra column ‘external'? | 22:13 |
| armax | and kill the external table? | 22:14 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: i don't think that helps. this is for subnets | 22:14 |
| armax | but then the query may turn less ugly | 22:14 |
| kevinbenton | armax: the query itself isn't terrible. it's knowing when to use it | 22:15 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: so are you thinking maybe just special case this one query? | 22:15 |
| ihrachys | yeah. I would refrain from generalizing if it's complex and we don't have another use case for that | 22:16 |
| kevinbenton | ok, well i'll start by looking into getting the policies visible on the context or somewhere where the query builder will have access to them | 22:17 |
| kevinbenton | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=Triaged&field.tag=rfe | 22:17 |
| armax | so to recap | 22:18 |
| armax | before we go in the rfe list | 22:18 |
| kevinbenton | policy mismatch with db hooks == broken pagination | 22:18 |
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| armax | changing the policy.json file to expose the list of subnets for external network will make the pagination tests pass? | 22:18 |
| kevinbenton | armax: yes | 22:18 |
| kevinbenton | but then we have the issue of exposing something we didn't previously | 22:19 |
| kevinbenton | on upgrade | 22:19 |
| armax | what if we add a shim extension to that? | 22:19 |
| armax | :) | 22:19 |
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| kevinbenton | well we could have an extension to indicate the behavior | 22:19 |
| armax | it’s definitely a side effect | 22:19 |
| kevinbenton | but inevitably some tempest test or something will explode somewhere | 22:19 |
| armax | but what could go wrong if more subnets are exposed to a tenant now during subnet-list? | 22:19 |
| kevinbenton | where it assumes if a tenant can see a subnet and it's not shared, the tenant owns it | 22:20 |
| armax | yeah, that’s the danger, but aside that side effect | 22:20 |
| armax | what else could go wrong? | 22:20 |
| kevinbenton | we also need to verify that things like router interface add | 22:21 |
| kevinbenton | verify ownership by tenant matching | 22:21 |
| kevinbenton | there could be places where we attach by subnet like that which depend on the DB not returning anything to verify if a user has access to it | 22:21 |
| armax | sure, same problem arises when the operator does enable this via policy though | 22:22 |
| armax | correct? | 22:22 |
| kevinbenton | armax: yep | 22:23 |
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| armax | so chance is that exposing subnets for an external network will still create issues we haven’t thought of | 22:24 |
| armax | and I wonder if by enabling this by default will allow us to root them out faster | 22:24 |
| kevinbenton | armax: yep | 22:24 |
| kevinbenton | if only a few operators use the non-default policy we probably won't hear about it until pike is EOL | 22:24 |
| mlavalle | and that fixes the tests, right? | 22:24 |
| kevinbenton | mlavalle: yep | 22:25 |
| armax | so that’s why I am bit nervours | 22:25 |
| armax | I mean if the one certainty we have is that this change will cause more 'bugs' | 22:25 |
| armax | I wonder if we’re better off biting the bullet sooner rather than later | 22:25 |
| armax | or we forget about it and not proceed altogether | 22:25 |
| kevinbenton | it would also enable us to make the router operations more consistent from the user perspective | 22:26 |
| armax | just a though | 22:26 |
| armax | t | 22:26 |
| kevinbenton | gateway attach could take a subnet | 22:26 |
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| armax | well, now you’re going down the path of changing API | 22:26 |
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| armax | which shouldn’t be necessary | 22:26 |
| armax | I mean, yeah, I can see that this change opens up the possibility | 22:26 |
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| kevinbenton | yeah, that's just a potential thing | 22:26 |
| kevinbenton | not required at all | 22:27 |
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| armax | is subnets for external networks something sensitive? | 22:27 |
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| kevinbenton | i'm not sure | 22:28 |
| armax | is there anything in the response payload that could be considered too infra specific? | 22:28 |
| kevinbenton | i haven't been able to think of case where it would be a problem | 22:28 |
| kevinbenton | maybe the operator stored their root password to the gateway in the subnet description | 22:28 |
| armax | yeah | 22:29 |
| armax | :) | 22:29 |
| mlavalle | but that's bad aoperator practice, LOL | 22:29 |
| kevinbenton | one possible thing is the subnet service types feature | 22:29 |
| armax | what about it? | 22:29 |
| armax | you mean that gets exposed? | 22:29 |
| kevinbenton | there might be a subnet meant just for DVR ports that users never really see | 22:29 |
| kevinbenton | yeah | 22:29 |
| armax | right | 22:29 |
| kevinbenton | so they will see the floating IP subnet | 22:29 |
| armax | I was thinking about that | 22:30 |
| armax | or segment ID? | 22:30 |
| kevinbenton | and a 'internal' subnet | 22:30 |
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| armax | is that on subnets? I can’t remember | 22:30 |
| kevinbenton | well segment_id isn't a huge issue | 22:30 |
| kevinbenton | just a UUID | 22:30 |
| kevinbenton | https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/etc/policy.json#L21 | 22:30 |
| kevinbenton | it's admin-only anyway | 22:30 |
| kevinbenton | so they wouldn't be able to see segment_id or service_types | 22:31 |
| armax | so are service types | 22:31 |
| mlavalle | we already have a service type network:floatingip | 22:31 |
| armax | except on the GET | 22:31 |
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| kevinbenton | but they would still be able to see the subnets themselves | 22:31 |
| mlavalle | see example 2 in https://docs.openstack.org/neutron/latest/admin/config-service-subnets.html | 22:32 |
| kevinbenton | so if you have a weird subnet just for DVR interfaces on non-routable addresses you might get questions about it showing up in users subnet lists | 22:32 |
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| kevinbenton | mlavalle: yeah | 22:32 |
| kevinbenton | so would normal users seeing all of those subnets show up be okay? | 22:33 |
| mlavalle | in principle, I don't think so | 22:33 |
| armax | it feels wrong | 22:34 |
| kevinbenton | yeah, it feels like exposing infra stuff | 22:34 |
| armax | even if the operator changed the policy.json from defeault | 22:34 |
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| armax | so on the RFE | 22:35 |
| armax | what was the exact use case? | 22:35 |
| kevinbenton | armax: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1653932 | 22:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1653932 in neutron "[rfe] network router:external field not exported" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Kevin Benton (kevinbenton) | 22:35 |
| armax | I wonder if it’s something PaaS related? | 22:35 |
| armax | what comment #? | 22:35 |
| kevinbenton | it's actually about IP visibility for allocating floating IPs | 22:35 |
| kevinbenton | the description | 22:35 |
| kevinbenton | users don't know which subnet to pick from | 22:36 |
| armax | right, but why wouldn’t a random IP not be enough? | 22:36 |
| kevinbenton | some IPs have access to one thing and others to something else | 22:36 |
| armax | like if there’s some sorth of IP whitelist somewhere? | 22:37 |
| armax | or even routing wise? | 22:37 |
| kevinbenton | yeah | 22:37 |
| ihrachys | why not creating two networks? | 22:37 |
| armax | ...right | 22:37 |
| armax | I was gonna say the same | 22:37 |
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| armax | though now the choice is not based on IP address but 'label' | 22:38 |
| ihrachys | well it's even better to my taste | 22:38 |
| ihrachys | you can tag the network, put a nice name and even a description, whatever | 22:38 |
| armax | network pistacho or network strawberry | 22:38 |
| armax | yum | 22:38 |
| ihrachys | ok so how about clarifying use case again before doing coding? | 22:39 |
| mlavalle | so maybe go back to the rfe and have a dialog with the submitter to dig in the use case? | 22:39 |
| armax | I suppose we had done that, but it looks like we did not | 22:40 |
| mlavalle | well, now we have a set of consequences that we can discuss with submitter | 22:40 |
| kevinbenton | armax: can you ask for clarification>? | 22:41 |
| armax | sure | 22:41 |
| armax | can do | 22:41 |
| kevinbenton | this does seem like a request for generic policy support without a very clear use case | 22:41 |
| kevinbenton | he does mention that floating IP is just an example | 22:42 |
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| mlavalle | re-reading the rfe, he actually mentions that fip is just an example | 22:42 |
| mlavalle | comment #4 | 22:42 |
| kevinbenton | yeah | 22:42 |
| armax | true | 22:42 |
| kevinbenton | maybe it's actually something service_types can help with | 22:43 |
| armax | but since we have now understood the implications | 22:43 |
| mlavalle | and we decided to approach the solution from that perspective | 22:43 |
| kevinbenton | maybe one of the subnets is private and useless | 22:43 |
| kevinbenton | for floating IPs | 22:43 |
| armax | much more than we had at the beginning | 22:43 |
| armax | and the code doesn’t look pretty and risk of errors is high | 22:43 |
| mlavalle | and yes, now we know the implications | 22:43 |
| armax | let’s go back and fully understand what we need | 22:43 |
| kevinbenton | ok | 22:43 |
| armax | kevinbenton: service types need to have subnets exposed nonetheless no? | 22:43 |
| kevinbenton | true | 22:44 |
| armax | Ok | 22:44 |
| armax | I think we beat this horse hard enough | 22:44 |
| armax | let’s move on | 22:44 |
| armax | I’d say | 22:44 |
| kevinbenton | i want to discuss https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1604222 right away | 22:44 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1604222 in neutron "[RFE] Implement vlan transparent for openvswitch ML2 driver" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Trevor McCasland (twm2016) | 22:44 |
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| mlavalle | LOL, it must be dead now | 22:44 |
| armax | that’s rude | 22:44 |
| kevinbenton | :) | 22:44 |
| armax | kevinbenton: please? | 22:44 |
| kevinbenton | armax: please what? | 22:44 |
| armax | i want to discuss https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1604222 right away | 22:45 |
| armax | where are your manners? | 22:45 |
| kevinbenton | rather than going to the list i mean | 22:45 |
| armax | still | 22:45 |
| armax | be polite | 22:45 |
| armax | :P | 22:45 |
| kevinbenton | (even though I think this was at the top) | 22:45 |
| ihrachys | it was | 22:45 |
| kevinbenton | there is some mixup here between two things | 22:45 |
| armax | do we have full support in OVS? | 22:45 |
| armax | nowadays? | 22:45 |
| kevinbenton | 2.8 will have it it sounds like | 22:46 |
| armax | g | 22:46 |
| ihrachys | "this will be released in ovs 2.8 in august prior to the release of pike" | 22:46 |
| armax | finally | 22:46 |
| ihrachys | there is no official release yet, but people can always backport/pull master | 22:46 |
| kevinbenton | however, what Trevor discussed is not related to vlan transparency | 22:46 |
| kevinbenton | he is working on a QinQ network type driver | 22:46 |
| kevinbenton | which will also depend on QinQ support in OVS for an OVS implementation | 22:47 |
| armax | not sure I understand the need for a new type drivers | 22:47 |
| armax | driver* | 22:47 |
| kevinbenton | but they are orthoganal and i don't want the QinQ type driver to get mixed up with vlan transparency | 22:47 |
| armax | a type driver goes and in hand with a ml2 driver, no? | 22:47 |
| kevinbenton | armax: the QinQ driver is to allow double-encapped packets to hit the wire | 22:47 |
| kevinbenton | double-tagged* | 22:48 |
| ihrachys | how do drivers that implement vlan transparency do it? | 22:48 |
| mlavalle | and he is sub-classing the vlan type to do that | 22:48 |
| armax | oh so you’re saying it’s a way for OVS agent to understand that it needs to do pushd/popd? | 22:48 |
| armax | rather than strip/replace? | 22:49 |
| kevinbenton | see this is the problem :) | 22:49 |
| kevinbenton | the qinq type driver has nothing to do with vlan transparency | 22:49 |
| armax | then I still don’t understant | 22:49 |
| kevinbenton | the qinq type driver is just like the vlan driver | 22:49 |
| armax | right | 22:49 |
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| mlavalle | with more tags | 22:49 |
| kevinbenton | except it tells to place two tags in the header | 22:49 |
| armax | so if it’s yet another tunnelling driver | 22:49 |
| mlavalle | inside | 22:49 |
| kevinbenton | yep | 22:49 |
| armax | it does have no reason to exist in the repo | 22:50 |
| armax | what’s the use case? | 22:50 |
| armax | I mean | 22:50 |
| armax | I have no reason against it | 22:50 |
| kevinbenton | geneve has no reason to exist in the repo | 22:50 |
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| armax | I wasn’t PTL when that merged ;) | 22:50 |
| armax | I don’t think | 22:50 |
| kevinbenton | it's not vendor specific | 22:50 |
| armax | but my question is what’s it for? | 22:50 |
| armax | if it’s not going to be used in vlan transparency? | 22:51 |
| armax | do we know? | 22:51 |
| kevinbenton | if you have infra expecting qinq frames | 22:51 |
| armax | I can see what geneve is going to be used for | 22:51 |
| armax | OVN | 22:51 |
| kevinbenton | it lets you scale way beyond 4096 vlans | 22:51 |
| armax | qinq typo driver | 22:51 |
| armax | do we know the mech driver that will leverage it? | 22:51 |
| armax | dude | 22:51 |
| armax | stop lecturing us on QinQ | 22:51 |
| kevinbenton | SR-IOV | 22:51 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: then don't ask questions | 22:51 |
| armax | we all get it, I think :P | 22:51 |
| armax | you’re answering the questions I am asking | 22:52 |
| kevinbenton | then we're in agreement? | 22:52 |
| armax | I think so | 22:52 |
| kevinbenton | ok, qinq is fine | 22:52 |
| kevinbenton | :) | 22:52 |
| armax | so you’re saying that hte sriov driver will use this type driver? | 22:52 |
| kevinbenton | but it needs a separate RFE | 22:52 |
| kevinbenton | armax: yes, the SR-IOV folks were requesting this at PTG and summit | 22:52 |
| kevinbenton | i need to talk to trevor to have him file a separate RFE | 22:52 |
| armax | OK | 22:53 |
| armax | so there’s work on the sriov driver to stitch things together? | 22:53 |
| kevinbenton | because the VLAN transparency is going to be completely different work on the OVS agent openflow pipeline | 22:53 |
| kevinbenton | armax: yep, just to configure the tagging like it does for vlans | 22:53 |
| armax | so long as the relationship is properly documented in the process of contributing this, then I think this is fine | 22:54 |
| armax | do we need model changes you reckon? | 22:54 |
| kevinbenton | no, i don't think so, but that will leave this VLAN transparency RFE open to be implemented by someone else | 22:54 |
| kevinbenton | so if anyone's company is depending on OVS transparency support, find some contributors :) | 22:55 |
| ihrachys | I think we may be interested, I think the topic flew around, but maybe it was for ovs, I will check :) | 22:55 |
| armax | it would be nice to finally close the circle about VLAN management and OVS | 22:56 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: sounds good, we might as well :) | 22:56 |
| ihrachys | kevinbenton, noted | 22:57 |
| armax | OK | 22:57 |
| armax | 3 mins to the top of the hour | 22:57 |
| kevinbenton | ok, sorry | 22:58 |
| kevinbenton | was commenting on RFE | 22:58 |
| armax | no need to be sorry | 22:58 |
| armax | just did your job for once | 22:58 |
| kevinbenton | anyone have any last minute announcements? | 22:58 |
| armax | :P | 22:58 |
| ihrachys | no | 22:58 |
| armax | none from em | 22:58 |
| armax | me | 22:58 |
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| mlavalle | no | 22:58 |
| kevinbenton | ok, then i'll give you a bunch of free time back :) | 22:58 |
| kevinbenton | #endmeeting | 22:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 20 22:58:53 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-07-20-22.00.html | 22:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-07-20-22.00.txt | 22:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-07-20-22.00.log.html | 22:58 |
| mlavalle | thanks o/ | 22:59 |
| armax | I’ll use it preciously | 22:59 |
| ihrachys | ciao | 22:59 |
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