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| ttx | o/ | 15:00 |
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| smcginnis | o/ | 15:00 |
| ttx | #startmeeting releaseteam | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Jul 28 15:00:54 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' | 15:00 |
| ttx | Ping list: dhellmann, dims, fungi, tonyb, stevemar, lbragstad | 15:00 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 15:01 |
| ttx | Meeting agenda on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pike-relmgt-tracking ; scroll down to R-5 | 15:01 |
| ttx | dhellmann will be a couple minutes late | 15:01 |
| ttx | fungi is mostly off today | 15:01 |
| ttx | Let's get started | 15:01 |
| ttx | (lots of ground to cover) | 15:02 |
| ttx | #topic Missing client libs | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Missing client libs (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 15:02 | |
| ttx | Good news, we have at least one Pike release for every client lib | 15:02 |
| ttx | so no need to tag anything by ourselves | 15:02 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 15:02 |
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| ttx | #topic Missing Pike-3 milestone | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Missing Pike-3 milestone (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 15:02 | |
| ttx | News here are slightly less good | 15:02 |
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| ttx | We have a number of cycle-with-milestones deliverables that were not tagged .0b3 yet | 15:03 |
| ttx | around heat, neutron, sahara | 15:03 |
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| ttx | For sahara tellesnobrega is working on it | 15:03 |
| ttx | I pinged kevinbenton for Neutron earlier | 15:03 |
| dhellmann | heat hasn't done the doc migration either | 15:04 |
| dhellmann | I haven't caught up with ricolin on that | 15:04 |
| ttx | ricolin is probably sleeping by now given his TZ | 15:04 |
| ttx | therve doesn't seem to be around | 15:04 |
| ttx | so, probably a miss there | 15:04 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 15:04 |
| ttx | We could force-tag | 15:05 |
| ttx | since we somehow need to mark FF | 15:05 |
| ttx | thoughts ? | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | I wonder how many PTLs will be at the PTG and if we could get them to come to a kick-off meeting or something if we scheduled an hour on wednesday | 15:05 |
| ricolin | dhellmann, | 15:05 |
| ttx | we could | 15:05 |
| ricolin | ttx | 15:05 |
| ricolin | o/ | 15:06 |
| ttx | ricolin: Hey! Aren't you sleeping ? | 15:06 |
| dhellmann | hi, ricolin! we didn't expect you to be up at this hour :-) | 15:06 |
| ricolin | heat already done with migrate I think | 15:06 |
| ricolin | ttx, dhellmann 11pm for me:) | 15:06 |
| ttx | ricolin: would be great if you could submit a releases request for the Pike-3 tag for openstack/heat | 15:06 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: I like the idea of having a PTL sync at the PTG. | 15:06 |
| dhellmann | ricolin : oh, indeed, I hadn't checked the burndown today but it looks like you're good | 15:06 |
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| * fungi is sort of around still, but mostly lurking | 15:07 | |
| dhellmann | oh, that's not so bad then. | 15:07 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis: I'd be happy to help put together an agenda for it | 15:07 |
| ricolin | ttx yes, we try to merge some last BP patch before send release out, which I should send the release patch it out in few hours | 15:07 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Cool, I'll ask diablo_rojo_phon if we can get some space then. | 15:08 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 15:08 |
| ricolin | dhellmann, yeah, sorry for the late schedule, it's my bad to miss that migrate ML | 15:08 |
| ttx | dhellmann: you fine with waiting a few more hours for heat 0b3 ? I'll be gone by then | 15:08 |
| dhellmann | ricolin : you're not the only one, so no worries -- I'm very glad you're done though | 15:08 |
| dhellmann | ttx: sure, I'll watch for the patch and approve it this afternoon | 15:09 |
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| ttx | #info Pike-3 tags still needed for heat, neutron deliverables and sahara. Will be merged (or forced) by EOD | 15:10 |
| ttx | #topic Cycle-with-intermediary without single Pike release yet | 15:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cycle-with-intermediary without single Pike release yet (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 15:10 | |
| dhellmann | ttx: so do you want me to go ahead and just tag master for anyone who doesn't submit a b3? | 15:10 |
| dhellmann | sorry, that wasn't clear | 15:10 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: I think it's better to have a forced tag than to not have a tag at all for pike-3 | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | ok | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | we should announce that, if you haven't already | 15:11 |
| ttx | since I want those to be under FF as well | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | but I'm fine doing it | 15:11 |
| ttx | I'll icnlude it in the countdown email | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 15:11 |
| ttx | somewhere | 15:11 |
| ttx | We still have a number of deliverables following the cycle-with-intermediary model which | 15:11 |
| ttx | haven't done a Pike release yet | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | I will wait until 20:00 UTC | 15:12 |
| ttx | which makes their choice of release model pretty questionable | 15:12 |
| dims | o/ am here now | 15:12 |
| ttx | aodh bifrost ceilometer cloudkitty-dashboard cloudkitty magnum-ui magnum murano-agent networking-hyperv panko senlin-dashboard tacker | 15:13 |
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| ttx | I think what we said we'd do is to force a HEAD tag on August 10 | 15:13 |
| ttx | if we still have nothing by then | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | that would be around rc1? | 15:13 |
| ttx | yes, that's the RC1 target week | 15:14 |
| ttx | (end of) | 15:14 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I think that's what we said | 15:14 |
| smcginnis | Makes sense to me. | 15:14 |
| ttx | + put them on the docket for looking into whether they are still active enough to be kept in the official list | 15:14 |
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| ttx | i put some language about that on the countdown email | 15:14 |
| ttx | which we'll review later | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | sounds good | 15:15 |
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| ttx | #info If no Pike release is produced, one will be forced by August 10 | 15:15 |
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| ttx | #topic Release dashboard (make-dashboard) | 15:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release dashboard (make-dashboard) (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 15:15 | |
| ttx | dhellmann: That's a task from last week, did you produce it ? If yes, do you have a link ? | 15:16 |
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| ttx | didn't want to duplicate work | 15:16 |
| dhellmann | I did not. It's easy to do though, so I can do that today too | 15:16 |
| dhellmann | Do we still want one? | 15:16 |
| dhellmann | or is the query from list-deliverables sufficient? | 15:16 |
| dhellmann | the google doc has been helpful in the past | 15:16 |
| ttx | hmm, I think I'd be more comfortable with one | 15:16 |
| dhellmann | ok | 15:16 |
| ttx | #action dhellmann to produce the release dashboard | 15:17 |
| ttx | #topic Requirements freeze | 15:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Requirements freeze (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 15:17 | |
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| ttx | We are supposed to freeze requirements aroundish today | 15:17 |
| ttx | pushing -2 to open patches | 15:17 |
| ttx | Not sure if that should be done after/before pushing stable/pike branches though | 15:18 |
| dims | ttx : python-barbicanclient is the one thing we may expect to show up. 4.5.0 was bad and was/is-being removed from u-c | 15:18 |
| ttx | dims: can you cover -2ing open patches once that's done ? | 15:18 |
| smcginnis | That drop back to 4.4.0 is going through gate now. | 15:18 |
| dims | yep ttx | 15:18 |
| ttx | dhellmann: I think it can happen independently from the stable/pike branch cutting | 15:19 |
| ttx | (but around same time) | 15:19 |
| dims | tonyb : fyi ^^ i'll -2 open requirements patches | 15:19 |
| ttx | the process has it "just before" | 15:19 |
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| dhellmann | smcginnis , dims : should we branch barbicanclient at 4.4.0 instead of 4.5.0? | 15:19 |
| dims | dhellmann : unless we hear back from barbican folks | 15:20 |
| ttx | if not, we need to do a 4.6.0 | 15:20 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: We may need to get input from the barbican team on that, but I think so. | 15:20 |
| dims | dhellmann : i just asked kfarr to join us in -release | 15:20 |
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| dhellmann | #link dashboard https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1F2hFo6cf1OvIyoC-ifRpVgrkFiYMzbNFTr2MsAYLpqs/edit?usp=sharing | 15:20 |
| ttx | #action dims to set -2 to open requirements patches | 15:21 |
| ttx | #topic Stable branch creation | 15:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stable branch creation (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 15:21 | |
| ttx | dhellmann: I think it's time (for all libs). Thoughts ? | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | ttx: sure, I can do that right after the meeting | 15:21 |
| ttx | the only open question would be that barbican one | 15:22 |
| dims | ttx : looks like tonyb already sent a plan and a date/time for requirements freeze - http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-July/120205.html | 15:22 |
| ttx | dims: oh, great | 15:22 |
| ttx | missed that | 15:22 |
| dims | ttx : will sync with tonyb and help with what he wants to do | 15:23 |
| ttx | #action dhellmann to trigger stable/pike branch creation for all libs on their current pike version (except barbicanclient) | 15:23 |
| ttx | #topic Review countdown email, and send | 15:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review countdown email, and send (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 15:23 | |
| ttx | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/A3HuPm6Y4F | 15:23 |
| ttx | draft ^ | 15:23 |
| ttx | let me add the thing I mentioned earlier | 15:23 |
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| smcginnis | LGTM | 15:25 |
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| dhellmann | I tweaked the language about the patches being proposed, but otherwise it looks good | 15:26 |
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| ttx | Added paragraph about forcing 0b3 tags | 15:26 |
| ttx | OK, will send just after meeting then | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 15:27 |
| smcginnis | Wording looks good. | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | I will apply the usual color rules to the dashboard, too | 15:27 |
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| ttx | #topic The ceilometer-powervm case | 15:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "The ceilometer-powervm case (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 15:27 | |
| dims | "As usual come find us on #openstack-release IRC channel if you have any questions" at the end? | 15:27 |
| ttx | dims: please add | 15:28 |
| ttx | A job fail made me notice the strange case of ceilometer-powervm | 15:28 |
| ttx | It's a Telemetry team deliverable since end of 2015 | 15:28 |
| ttx | following the cycle-with-milestones model pretty well | 15:28 |
| dhellmann | ttx: it sounds like we need to make another round of audits of tagging acls on official deliverables | 15:28 |
| ttx | That said it was always tagged manually, thanks to a permissive ACL | 15:28 |
| * dims back in a bit. will read scrollback | 15:29 | |
| ttx | And never appeared on the lreeases website | 15:29 |
| dhellmann | should we import the history? | 15:29 |
| ttx | We have a number of potential actions | 15:29 |
| ttx | We can fix it -- add history, fix ACL, educate the direct-tagger | 15:29 |
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| ttx | We can consider that it's a sign of being out of touch and remove the project from projects.yaml at the TC level | 15:30 |
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| smcginnis | ttx: Education is probably a good first step? | 15:30 |
| ttx | We can ignore it, and not make it part of Pike (under the "not in releases website, not in openstack release" rule | 15:30 |
| dhellmann | we haven't been following their releases, so that seems reasonable (combined with the education step for next cycle) | 15:31 |
| ttx | I'm fine with educating, in this case it feels like they were not really cared for by the Telemetry team | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | I notice that the telemetry team also has lots of unreleased deliverables, so this may be part of their laissez faire approach | 15:32 |
| ttx | yeah, but the ceilometer-powervm team might be more a victim than anything else | 15:33 |
| smcginnis | Maybe the whole team could use a little more education. | 15:33 |
| ttx | Given that they have been tagging their milestones religiously, I'm pretty sure they think they operate ok | 15:33 |
| ttx | (talking ceilometer-powervm, not ceilometer) | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | ttx: true | 15:34 |
| ttx | dhellmann: I'm almost for ignoring them in Pike | 15:34 |
| ttx | and fix them in Queens if they want to be fixed | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | ttx: right, that's what I meant | 15:35 |
| ttx | Alternatively, import all history and make them appear in Mitaka/Newton/Ocata | 15:35 |
| ttx | So.. Ignore for Pike, educate/solve for Queens ? | 15:35 |
| dhellmann | well, let's ignore it for now, and talk to them about whether they want to be part of queens. if they do, then we can import the history. if not, we can suggest that they remove themselves from governance. | 15:35 |
| ttx | dhellmann: works for me | 15:36 |
| ttx | adding a note to the backlog for Queens | 15:37 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis : what do you think? | 15:37 |
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| smcginnis | I'm fine ignoring for now and working to improve the situation in queens. | 15:38 |
| ttx | yeah, it's definitely not a new problem | 15:38 |
| smcginnis | They've gone this far. | 15:38 |
| smcginnis | ttx: ++ | 15:38 |
| ttx | #topic Lay out tasks for remaining weeks | 15:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Lay out tasks for remaining weeks (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 15:38 | |
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| ttx | Last topic, I'd like to add to the "tasks" sections for the coming week, based on the process doc | 15:39 |
| ttx | weeks* | 15:39 |
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| ttx | Let me do that now and we can refine | 15:40 |
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| smcginnis | Sorry, I need to drop off to head out of town. Will check in later. | 15:42 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis : ttyl | 15:44 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: the docs team doesn't need to branch any more | 15:50 |
| dhellmann | I'll update that step with the new instructions | 15:50 |
| ttx | ah cool | 15:50 |
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| ttx | OK, so according to that doc there isn't much to do next week | 15:51 |
| dhellmann | around rc1 we'll land a patch to update some settings and rebuild the landing pages for docs.o.o | 15:51 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: Thanks for the help in cleaning up | 15:51 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 15:52 |
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| ttx | anything else ? | 15:52 |
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| dhellmann | #action dhellmann update PROCESS.rst with new doc team info | 15:52 |
| dhellmann | I'm going to have to go back through the action list from the meeting to make sure I caught everything, but I'll scan the log when we're done | 15:53 |
| dhellmann | other than that, I think we're good | 15:53 |
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| dhellmann | it might be a good idea to walk through the details of these things before we start with smcginnis if he's going to help us out | 15:53 |
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| dhellmann | maybe we can even get him to submit some of the patches we'll need :-) | 15:55 |
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| ttx | alright then | 15:56 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 15:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:56 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Jul 28 15:56:28 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2017/releaseteam.2017-07-28-15.00.html | 15:56 |
| ttx | Thanks everyone! | 15:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2017/releaseteam.2017-07-28-15.00.txt | 15:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2017/releaseteam.2017-07-28-15.00.log.html | 15:56 |
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