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| zhiyuan | hi joe | 01:00 |
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| joehuang | hello | 01:01 |
| dongfeng | hi | 01:01 |
| Yipei | hi | 01:01 |
| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 01:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 2 01:01:26 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 01:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 01:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 01:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 01:01 |
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| RongHui11 | hello | 01:01 |
| joehuang | hello | 01:01 |
| joehuang | #topic rollcall | 01:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 01:01 | |
| joehuang | #info joehuang | 01:01 |
| zhiyuan | #info zhiyuan | 01:02 |
| RongHui11 | #info ronghui | 01:02 |
| dongfeng | #info dongfeng | 01:02 |
| Yipei | #info Yipei | 01:02 |
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| joehuang | #topic PTL nomination | 01:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTL nomination (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 01:03 | |
| joehuang | hello, the PTL nomination is open | 01:03 |
| joehuang | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-August/120383.html | 01:03 |
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| joehuang | as I had announced in the weekly meeting and mail-list, I won't plan to run PTL for next cycle | 01:04 |
| joehuang | we need more diversity of the community | 01:04 |
| joehuang | so I hope that someone else can step up and lead the community | 01:05 |
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| zhiyuan | I would like to have a try :) | 01:05 |
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| joehuang | thank you zhiyuan, and please follow the guide in the above link | 01:06 |
| joehuang | all of you can have a try :) | 01:06 |
| joehuang | please be aware of the nomination deadline | 01:07 |
| zhiyuan | ok | 01:07 |
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| joehuang | except the file submitted to the repository, it's a tradition to send the self-nomination announcement to the mail-list | 01:07 |
| joehuang | and prepare for the challenge | 01:08 |
| joehuang | next topic, pike-rc | 01:09 |
| dims | go zhiyuan ! | 01:09 |
| joehuang | #topic pike-rc | 01:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "pike-rc (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 01:09 | |
| joehuang | to dims, we have submitted the patch for tricircle 3.4.0 release | 01:10 |
| joehuang | could you help review the release patch, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/488904/ | 01:10 |
| joehuang | thank you very much | 01:10 |
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| dims | joehuang : ack | 01:11 |
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| joehuang | thank you! dims | 01:11 |
| zhiyuan | what about the stable/pike branch? is it created automatically? | 01:11 |
| joehuang | after 3.4.0 release is tagged successfully, we can start to do regression test for all features landed in pike | 01:11 |
| zhiyuan | or we need another patch later? | 01:12 |
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| joehuang | don't understand your question, zhiyuan | 01:12 |
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| joehuang | stable/pike for tricircle will not be created now | 01:12 |
| zhiyuan | i am asking when the stable/pike branch will be created | 01:13 |
| joehuang | after regression test passed, we'll have 3.5.0 release on Aug.22 and with stable/pike branching | 01:13 |
| zhiyuan | i see | 01:14 |
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| joehuang | so for now, we have arrive at the point of feature freeze | 01:14 |
| joehuang | and any feature wish to land in pike from now need to ask for RFE(request for exception) | 01:15 |
| joehuang | usually no feature will be allowed to be merged, only bug fix is allowed, for stability purpose | 01:16 |
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| joehuang | but feature development can keep going, and once stable/pike is created, the window for new feature will be openned | 01:17 |
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| joehuang | any comment | 01:17 |
| dongfeng | how about adding pagination for job in tricircleclient ? I planned to add it to tricircleclient before aug 22 | 01:17 |
| joehuang | you can send one RFE in mail-list | 01:18 |
| dongfeng | ok, got it | 01:18 |
| joehuang | but tricircleclient has been released | 01:18 |
| joehuang | so pagination support for job will be available in next release | 01:19 |
| joehuang | tricircleclient has been created with stable/pike. | 01:19 |
| joehuang | the community schedule is to freeze client feature on milestone-3 | 01:19 |
| joehuang | one second | 01:20 |
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| joehuang | it's no RFE needed for tricircleclient, because the stable/pike has just been created on Monday by ttx | 01:21 |
| dongfeng | I saw the your talk about tricircleclient, so finally tricircleclient got released? | 01:21 |
| joehuang | https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html#p-final-clientlib | 01:21 |
| joehuang | yes | 01:21 |
| joehuang | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/488903/ | 01:22 |
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| dongfeng | that's fine. | 01:22 |
| joehuang | Jul 24 - Jul 28R-5Pike-3 milestone Feature freeze Final release for client libraries | 01:23 |
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| joehuang | question on the plan? | 01:24 |
| dongfeng | Aug. 1 to Aug .22 is time for regressing test ? | 01:26 |
| dongfeng | regression test. | 01:26 |
| joehuang | yes | 01:26 |
| dongfeng | got it. | 01:27 |
| joehuang | though most of features are covered by smoke test, it's encouraged to add more test cases to the smoke test | 01:27 |
| joehuang | and do manually test as far as possible | 01:28 |
| zhiyuan | yes, like test for trunk, I only define the tests for trunk create/delete | 01:28 |
| joehuang | once you find some bug, fix it and add new test cases to cover the case | 01:28 |
| zhiyuan | need to test add/delete subport | 01:28 |
| joehuang | and test cases enhancement will be reviewed and approved quickly | 01:29 |
| joehuang | #topic feature development | 01:30 |
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| joehuang | hello, is there something to share for feature development? | 01:31 |
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| RongHui11 | For the QoS, has not passed the gate-tricircle-dsvm-multiregion-ubuntu-xenial-nv. Could you give us some help | 01:32 |
| Yipei | adding instances from different subnet via neutron-lbaas api is ongoing, hopefully it can be delivered in next release | 01:32 |
| zhiyuan | to ronghui, you are still struggling on the configuration loading problem? | 01:36 |
| RongHui11 | yes | 01:37 |
| RongHui11 | and try some method but still failure | 01:37 |
| zhiyuan | ok, will take some time to look at it | 01:41 |
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| RongHui11 | thank you so much | 01:41 |
| joehuang | I think we need to submit a patch to make the gate-tricircle-dsvm-multiregion-ubuntu-xenial-nv as voting job | 01:41 |
| joehuang | currently this job is non-voting job, so verified ok doesn't mean it pass all test | 01:42 |
| joehuang | gate-tricircle-dsvm-multiregion-ubuntu-xenial-nv is much more stable, so we can turn it into voting job | 01:42 |
| RongHui11 | agree with it | 01:43 |
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| joehuang | #action make gate-tricircle-dsvm-multiregion-ubuntu-xenial-nv being voting job | 01:44 |
| joehuang | #open discussion | 01:44 |
| joehuang | other topic? | 01:44 |
| dongfeng | no | 01:44 |
| RongHui11 | no | 01:44 |
| Yipei | no | 01:44 |
| zhiyuan | what about adding coverage test at the same time? | 01:45 |
| zhiyuan | it's also non-voting job | 01:45 |
| joehuang | good proposal | 01:45 |
| joehuang | #action convert coverage test as voting job too | 01:45 |
| RongHui11 | good | 01:46 |
| dongfeng | then It's more difficult to commit codes. I remember I change the coverage rate when coverage test fails in tricircleclient. | 01:46 |
| joehuang | I found that meher from orange has succeeded in installation of two node tricircle | 01:46 |
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| zhiyuan | to dongfeng, yes, so you need to add test for your newly-added code | 01:47 |
| joehuang | coverage is to guarantee the code being tested as far as possible | 01:47 |
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| dongfeng | :), yes, I willl | 01:48 |
| joehuang | next weekly meeting, we may begin to prepare the next cycle, so how about talk about the PTG for next cycle | 01:49 |
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| dongfeng | that's fine. | 01:50 |
| RongHui11 | ok | 01:50 |
| joehuang | and our weekly meeting time slot is not friendly for European contributor, it's also a good topic | 01:50 |
| joehuang | I am sure Meher is based in France. | 01:51 |
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| joehuang | other topic | 01:51 |
| joehuang | ? | 01:51 |
| RongHui11 | no for me | 01:52 |
| zhiyuan | no for me | 01:52 |
| Yipei | no for me | 01:52 |
| dongfeng | no for me | 01:52 |
| joehuang | ok, let's end the meeting | 01:52 |
| joehuang | #endmeeting | 01:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 01:52 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 2 01:52:42 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-08-02-01.01.html | 01:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-08-02-01.01.txt | 01:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-08-02-01.01.log.html | 01:52 |
| RongHui11 | bye | 01:52 |
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| zhiyuan | bye | 01:53 |
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| gongysh | #startmeeting tacker | 04:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 2 04:30:51 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gongysh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 04:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 04:30 |
| gongysh | helo | 04:31 |
| tung_doan | o/ | 04:31 |
| YanXing_an | O/ | 04:31 |
| gongysh | #topic roll call | 04:31 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, YanXing_an welcome | 04:31 |
| YanXing_an | Hi, tung_doan | 04:31 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: YanXing_an: hi | 04:31 |
| tung_doan | phuoc_: are you there? :) | 04:31 |
| phuoc_ | hi | 04:32 |
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| YanXing_an | Welcome, phuoc_ | 04:33 |
| gongysh | ok | 04:33 |
| gongysh | it seems we have to be used to 3 men party. | 04:33 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: we can start anyway gongysh :) | 04:33 |
| gongysh | #topic bp | 04:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bp (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 04:34 | |
| tung_doan | gongysh: could you please help bring vnffg-scaling to pike? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469975/ | 04:34 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: thanks | 04:34 |
| tung_doan | phuoc_: YanXing_an and me will try to bring it to pike | 04:34 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, I have no other minus comments on it. | 04:36 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: thanks :) | 04:37 |
| gongysh | I have give +2 on it, YanXing_an, YanXing_an will be allowed to put +2 after this meeting. | 04:37 |
| gongysh | And I will propose tung_doan too. | 04:37 |
| YanXing_an | tung_doan, I saw your comment | 04:37 |
| tung_doan | i will ping dharmendra to receive his +2 | 04:37 |
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| gongysh | tung_doan, how is the healing spec going? | 04:38 |
| gongysh | is there coding? | 04:38 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: I am trying to support mutiple actions in this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/462690/ | 04:39 |
| tung_doan | multiple actions mean "scaling and notify" | 04:39 |
| tung_doan | it worked well now. After this patch merged, i will update healing patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/484088/ | 04:39 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: thanks for proposal. I will try with my best effort to make Tacker move forward | 04:40 |
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| gongysh | YanXing_an please help tung_doan to put the healing and scale of vnffg forward. | 04:41 |
| gongysh | I will join the review. | 04:41 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, what is the progress of ns with vnffg? | 04:42 |
| YanXing_an | Gongysh, ok | 04:42 |
| tung_doan | YanXing_an: yep. will need your cares in scaling part | 04:42 |
| tung_doan | YanXing_an: thanks | 04:42 |
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| tung_doan | gongysh: YanXing_an: probably i will upload scaling patch in the early of next week | 04:42 |
| YanXing_an | gongysh, I am reading the spec patch, and will try to make it merged firstly | 04:43 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, ok. | 04:43 |
| gongysh | #topic codings | 04:44 |
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| tung_doan | gongysh: need your review in this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/462690/ | 04:44 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: it seems to be important for our new features. Thanks | 04:45 |
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| gongysh | tung_doan, ok | 04:45 |
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| gongysh | Dharmendra has agreed to work on mistral action policies | 04:46 |
| phuoc_ | gongysh, I need you review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/482065/ too | 04:46 |
| gongysh | but it seems he has not being working on it. | 04:46 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: phuoc_ 's patch is the rest of inline support for vnffgd and nsd | 04:47 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: could you pls review in his patch? Thanks | 04:47 |
| gongysh | tung_doan sure | 04:48 |
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| gongysh | #topic open discussion | 04:51 |
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| gongysh | do you have something to talk? | 04:51 |
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| phuoc_ | I want to contrubute to migrate container to Tacker | 04:52 |
| YanXing_an | What's the link of Q PTG etherpad | 04:52 |
| phuoc_ | do we have plan for it | 04:52 |
| gongysh | phuoc_, that's fine. | 04:53 |
| tung_doan | phuoc_: probably you need to ping janki. Containerized VNFs need more works | 04:53 |
| tung_doan | phuoc_: we need to run from now on so that CVNFs can keep up with the next release | 04:54 |
| gongysh | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tacker-queen-grooming | 04:54 |
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| YanXing_an | gongysh, ok, it's time to think about what we should do in future | 04:56 |
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| gongysh | phuoc_, you can register it in ehterpad | 04:58 |
| phuoc_ | Should I put this topic to agenda? | 04:59 |
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| gongysh | phuoc_, sure, thanks | 04:59 |
| phuoc_ | ok, I got it | 04:59 |
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| gongysh | if there are no other stuff, lets back to coding, and review. | 05:00 |
| gongysh | thanks for your efforts. | 05:00 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: YanXing_an: in order to make our project popular, i think we need some proposals to work closely with other projects like opnfv or even onap | 05:00 |
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| gongysh | tung_doan, I think trinath is doing it. and also we should pay attention to it. | 05:02 |
| gongysh | #endmeeting | 05:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 2 05:02:54 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 05:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-08-02-04.30.html | 05:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-08-02-04.30.txt | 05:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-08-02-04.30.log.html | 05:02 |
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| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific_wg | 11:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 2 11:00:13 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 11:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 11:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: scientific_wg)" | 11:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_wg' | 11:00 |
| simon-AS5591 | o/ | 11:00 |
| priteau | o/ | 11:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | o/ | 11:00 |
| daveholland | \o | 11:01 |
| martial_ | Hello all :) | 11:02 |
| oneswig | Hello \o/ | 11:03 |
| oneswig | #link agenda for today is https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#IRC_Meeting_August_2nd_2017 | 11:03 |
| oneswig | greetings all! Who said that nothing happens in Europe in August :-) | 11:03 |
| oneswig | Blair is in transit currently and may / may not attend. If he makes it, he mentioned he had an update on his THP fragmentation issues | 11:03 |
| oneswig | Martial, you there? | 11:03 |
| oneswig | OK, lets get going | 11:03 |
| oneswig | aha | 11:03 |
| oneswig | #chair martial_ | 11:03 |
| oneswig | good morning Martial | 11:03 |
| oneswig | #topic Workload tracing on Chameleon | 11:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: martial_ oneswig | 11:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Workload tracing on Chameleon (Meeting topic: scientific_wg)" | 11:03 | |
| oneswig | BTW I am on a train, am likely to go through some long dark tunnels ... apologies in advance | 11:03 |
| oneswig | priteau: you have the floor | 11:03 |
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| priteau | Thanks oneswig | 11:03 |
| priteau | I would like to provide an update on our cloud traces work | 11:03 |
| b1airo | Evening | 11:04 |
| martial_ | #chair b1airo | 11:04 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b1airo martial_ oneswig | 11:04 |
| oneswig | Hi Blair you made it | 11:04 |
| b1airo | Hi oneswig, hi priteau | 11:04 |
| b1airo | Hi martial_ | 11:04 |
| priteau | The idea is to provide something similar to the Parallel Workloads Archive or Grid Workloads Archive | 11:04 |
| b1airo | Just made it. Not sure I'll last long to be honest - already in bed... | 11:04 |
| masber | hi all, sorry to bother I am new here, the reason I joined this meeting is because I am planing to support our hpc system on openstack and was wondering whether this was a good place to ask those questions? | 11:04 |
| oneswig | priteau: can you describe what these do and why they are useful? | 11:04 |
| priteau | These focus on HPC cluster and grids rather than clouds | 11:04 |
| b1airo | Welcome masber ! | 11:04 |
| oneswig | masber: you've come to the right place :-) | 11:05 |
| masber | thank you | 11:05 |
| priteau | They provide data about all the jobs that have been run on some infrastructures. They can be used by researchers to simulate workloads that match reality. | 11:05 |
| priteau | It can be particularly useful for e.g. a researcher working on job scheduling | 11:05 |
| b1airo | If I recall correctly those existing archives are mainly used in scheduling research | 11:06 |
| oneswig | kind of like imix for network packets? (a sample of random internet frames) | 11:06 |
| priteau | oneswig: I didn't know Imix, but yes it looks similar in another context | 11:06 |
| b1airo | But I think you and Kate were lookin for richer data than just instance requests? | 11:06 |
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| priteau | except that IMIX might only be providing a distribution of packets, rather than actual headers | 11:07 |
| oneswig | priteau: feasibly - seen but not used it. Carry on :-) | 11:08 |
| priteau | b1airo: eventually yes, I think it could be combined with telemetry data. We started with just instance requests for now. | 11:08 |
| b1airo | masber: briefly, this is our group meeting time. We typically have an agenda (posted to the mailing list prior) that includes any other business and discussion time towards the end. But there is also a dedicated channel where we can chat anytime | 11:09 |
| oneswig | priteau: is this formed from nova notifications or something higher-level? | 11:09 |
| priteau | We've defined a data format which is heavily based on the structure of the Nova database | 11:09 |
| priteau | http://scienceclouds.org/cloud-traces/cloud-trace-format/ | 11:09 |
| priteau | It's at version 0.1 so it may change in the future depending on feedback | 11:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | priteau: I am curious why the DB format and not the API format? | 11:10 |
| b1airo | Impressive domain name | 11:10 |
| masber | b1airo, yes I don't want to hijack the meeting, would you mind sharing the channel I can use to ask my questions? | 11:10 |
| priteau | johnthetubaguy: I would assume that they're quite similar, but I will check | 11:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | priteau: the API format is a public API contract, the DB changes quite a lot, in general anyways | 11:11 |
| priteau | Good point | 11:11 |
| priteau | Basically it's using data from instance_actions_events joined with data from the instances table | 11:12 |
| oneswig | priteau: what are you looking for in the data you're collecting? | 11:12 |
| b1airo | masber: #scientific-wg | 11:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | priteau: actually the notification have some versions, so maybe what b1airo said is a better option | 11:12 |
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| priteau | oneswig: All events associated with all instances running on a cloud deployment | 11:12 |
| priteau | Hopefully enough for a researcher to analyze and simulate the same kind of activity | 11:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | priteau: the idea being you can re-run them to see if your job scheduling is better, etc, etc? | 11:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, that is a yes then | 11:13 |
| priteau | johnthetubaguy: Yes, that's the idea | 11:13 |
| martial_ | priteau: pretty impressive :) | 11:14 |
| oneswig | priteau: what's interesting here is that chameleon is bare metal. I'm interested to compare this with the usage of a virtualised resource - for scalability considerations | 11:14 |
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| priteau | oneswig: Actually we've only provided a trace from our KVM cloud so far: http://scienceclouds.org/cloud-traces/chameleon-openstack-kvm-cloud-trace/ | 11:15 |
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| oneswig | I guess also Chameleon users are a fairly unique bunch, who may be hard to characterize | 11:15 |
| priteau | We thought it may be more representative and would cover more instance events (such as migration) | 11:15 |
| oneswig | priteau: I'll not download that right now or the entire train network will go down :-) | 11:15 |
| priteau | it's only 6 MB zipped, barely more than a modern webpage ;-) | 11:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, on a UK train, that might take everyone out | 11:16 |
| oneswig | priteau: What are you using to visualise your data? (please say grafana diagram :-) | 11:16 |
| oneswig | johnthetubaguy: thinking of alternative expansions of GWR now... | 11:17 |
| priteau | oneswig: We haven't done visualization from these traces, but the student who worked on this is using Grafana for another project related to experiment visualization | 11:17 |
| oneswig | From here, I wonder if it is not too many steps to visualise notification data coming from a live system | 11:18 |
| priteau | It's still work in progress, but since the student is leaving soon we wanted to release a trace and format to request feedback | 11:18 |
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| b1airo | johnthetubaguy: I agree it'd certainly be better if we could do this with the APIs and/or notifications | 11:18 |
| priteau | One question we have is whether folks are interested by high or low-level OpenStack events. For example, an action like “migrate” is composed of four separate action events: cold_migrate, compute_prep_resize, compute_resize_instance, and compute_finish_resize. | 11:19 |
| priteau | Actions that we saw in our KVM cloud are: create/delete, start/stop, reboot, rebuild, migrate, live-migration, suspend/resume, resize/confirmResize, and pause/unpause. | 11:19 |
| b1airo | Problem with notifications is it essentially means needing a trace service for capturing, whereas I imagine most admins would be happier doing once off dumps | 11:19 |
| oneswig | priteau: most interesting for me is the hierarchical connection of an instigating API reuqest and the sub-events generated. The level of detail's like a fractal, perhaps | 11:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | there are two ways to look at this I think (1) measure how long each thing took (2) use it for reply | 11:20 |
| oneswig | b1airo: don't ceilometer and stacktach do that? | 11:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah for reply, don't need as many events recorded | 11:20 |
| simon-AS5591 | b1airo: Personally as an operator I wouldn't mind setting up a notification collector if it seems safe to use and easy to set up. | 11:20 |
| priteau | oneswig: Have you looked at os-profiler? | 11:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | stacktach would collect all the notifications for you, I guess ceilometer should | 11:20 |
| priteau | Sorry, osprofiler | 11:20 |
| priteau | #link https://github.com/openstack/osprofiler | 11:21 |
| oneswig | priteau: ah, knew I'd missed one. Heard the name, like the face, never used it, alas | 11:21 |
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| oneswig | works with rally, right? | 11:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | os-profiler reads from ceilometer I think? by default | 11:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | although that may have changed | 11:21 |
| priteau | I think osprofiler can be used with Rally, but not necessarily | 11:21 |
| priteau | johnthetubaguy: seems so: https://docs.openstack.org/osprofiler/latest/user/integration.html | 11:22 |
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| priteau | So I have noted the comments about using the API rather than DB access | 11:22 |
| oneswig | priteau: do you think the format you've proposed could be generated through 'distillation' of notification objects, or are they too different? | 11:22 |
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| priteau | oneswig: I think it would be possible as long as the same data is available in the notification or via an extra Nova API query | 11:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | you should be able to get it all from the notifications | 11:23 |
| oneswig | priteau: I am not sure, all I know is that notifications are big. | 11:23 |
| oneswig | might depend on what data you're doing the join for? | 11:24 |
| priteau | it's to have things like user_id, project_id, etc. on the same row | 11:24 |
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| priteau | BTW we anonymized fields like user_id in case Chameleon users didn't want their username to be shared (our KVM cloud is old and still using the LDAP backend for Keystone, which means that user_id == username) | 11:25 |
| oneswig | priteau: you mentioned that your student is nearing completion of their placement. What are the next steps for you/ | 11:25 |
| b1airo | Yes that step is going to be very important | 11:26 |
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| priteau | oneswig: We will release the code to extract this data and would like to see if bigger clouds could share their own traces | 11:26 |
| priteau | I think b1airo was interested to share NeCTAR data | 11:27 |
| b1airo | I wonder if those id fields could go through a non-reversable hash | 11:27 |
| b1airo | Or is that what you're doing already? | 11:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | b1airo: I think turbo-hipster from mikal tried to do some of this stuff in the past | 11:27 |
| priteau | I think we've used a SHA1. Obviously if you've got access to a rainbow table you might be able to reverse. | 11:28 |
| b1airo | Ah yeah I remember that now you mention it johnthetubaguy | 11:28 |
| priteau | Maybe we should use scrypt? | 11:28 |
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| b1airo | Turbo-hipster was about capturing prod dbs for migration testing right? Is that still happening at all? | 11:29 |
| priteau | Are you talking about https://github.com/openstack/turbo-hipster? | 11:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, it did a bit a anonamising data | 11:30 |
| priteau | interesting | 11:31 |
| priteau | #link http://turbo-hipster.readthedocs.io/en/latest/intro.html | 11:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | to allow folks to contribute their datasets | 11:31 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I think Rackspace gave their pre-prod dataset at one point | 11:31 |
| priteau | apparently fields are anonymised with https://github.com/mrda/fuzzy-happiness | 11:31 |
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| johnthetubaguy | its just there may be ideas in there worth borrowing | 11:32 |
| oneswig | That's a great idea for improving the test coverage. | 11:32 |
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| b1airo | priteau: maybe worth trying it to see if the trace format can be fulfilled with a turbo-hipster dump? | 11:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | that did catch some upgrade bugs in the past | 11:32 |
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| johnthetubaguy | hmm, not sure about using its format | 11:33 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I would try the notification or similar format | 11:33 |
| priteau | b1airo: good idea. Do you know if the "variety of real-world databases" that turbo-hipster uses is freely available? | 11:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am not sure there is much variety in the end, maybe three DBs we ran the upgrade migrations on? | 11:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | I suspect they are too old now, but I would have to go dig to find out | 11:35 |
| priteau | If they are big enough they may be interesting | 11:36 |
| oneswig | This discussion is a good example of data gathered for one purpose taking on an entirely different one | 11:36 |
| b1airo | Anyway priteau, this is a good start. I'm sure I can convince Nectar Directorate to share an initial set | 11:36 |
| priteau | b1airo: Thanks. We need to do a bit of code cleanup first but I'll be in touch. | 11:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 seems like a great start | 11:37 |
| oneswig | priteau: thanks for sharing your work | 11:37 |
| b1airo | Don't be too fussy about it, we can patch/fix/comment code too as needed | 11:38 |
| oneswig | priteau: btw, any progress on the Blazar UI? | 11:38 |
| priteau | oneswig: Thanks for allowing me :-) | 11:38 |
| martial_ | pierre: any trace that can be analyzed? | 11:38 |
| priteau | oneswig: yes, it's in review, it should be merged by the end of the week! | 11:38 |
| b1airo | Is that in horizon? | 11:38 |
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| priteau | martial_: what do you mean? | 11:39 |
| oneswig | priteau: that's great, well done | 11:39 |
| oneswig | OK - few other items to cover, shall we move on? | 11:39 |
| martial_ | well I looked at the website and listened to your presentation of the project, but now I am trying to see if we can draw comparables on the collected data | 11:39 |
| priteau | b1airo: yep, https://github.com/openstack/blazar-dashboard | 11:39 |
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| martial_ | pierre: we can take take outside of the meeting | 11:40 |
| martial_ | stig: please go ahead | 11:40 |
| priteau | sure | 11:40 |
| oneswig | #topic Update from Blair - THP | 11:41 |
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| oneswig | b1airo: why don't you fit in here | 11:41 |
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| b1airo | I would like to look at using Blazar in Nectar too, need to pick your brains at some stage so I can get a 1-pager together on what it might look like | 11:41 |
| b1airo | Sure oneswig | 11:41 |
| priteau | I would love to help you with that | 11:42 |
| b1airo | I now have a repeatable test case that shows simply having a full pagecache before running a compute job can cause a 2-3x slowdown | 11:43 |
| oneswig | in the hypervisor? | 11:43 |
| b1airo | The effect seems to be on both BM and VM, but VM emphasises it | 11:44 |
| oneswig | as in the 'cache' column in vmstat, 'Cached' in /proc/meminfo? | 11:44 |
| martial_ | how memory heavy is that job? | 11:45 |
| b1airo | This particular code (SIMPLE) is a CryoEM structural refinement thing. And I'm just using a Singularity container that is setup to run SIMPLE's built-in speed test | 11:45 |
| oneswig | What rune do you use to evict the page cache? | 11:45 |
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| b1airo | And that test only ends up using about 2GB of memory, but parallelises well on SMP | 11:46 |
| b1airo | It is very memory heavy I believe, and has ill defined random access patterns | 11:47 |
| b1airo | I filled the pagecache by simply cat-ing a single file equal to VM ram size | 11:47 |
| oneswig | I wonder what quantity of memory amounts to a full TLB when using 4K pages. | 11:48 |
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| b1airo | oneswig: very little | 11:48 |
| b1airo | TLBs are only a few thousand entries iirc | 11:48 |
| oneswig | That's actually more than I thought | 11:48 |
| martial_ | is it possible the cache is not local (would be strange but that slowdown is impressive)? | 11:49 |
| oneswig | So 2GB random access memory patterns would totally kill it | 11:49 |
| oneswig | martial_: you're thinking it would involve a write back to networked storage to evict dirty pages? | 11:49 |
| martial_ | yep | 11:50 |
| b1airo | The problem appears to be that the Linux mm is for some reason not able to allocate THPs even when all the memory usage is cache and should be able to be dumped immediately | 11:50 |
| priteau | b1airo: are you using the default vm.swappiness value? | 11:50 |
| martial_ | seems unlikely and not natural at all to me, but disk is not that slow | 11:50 |
| b1airo | priteau: no swap in guest at this stage, but I plan to investigate that as we have seen slub allocation problems and the reading I've been doing there makes me think the kernel allocator might still like having a teeny bit of swap around even if it doesn't really use it | 11:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | are you doing all the CPU pinning, NUMA passthrough, hugepages etc for the VM? | 11:52 |
| b1airo | Yep | 11:52 |
| oneswig | b1airo: I wonder if THPs are allocated in a GFP_ATOMIC context, so cannot muck about with other page mappings in fear of a fault | 11:52 |
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| oneswig | b1airo: When are you going to write all this stuff up? | 11:53 |
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| b1airo | oneswig: possibly, but I doubt it because normal behaviour is to defrag on fault in order to allocate a THP if possible | 11:54 |
| oneswig | b1airo: ah ok, thanks | 11:54 |
| b1airo | oneswig: once I've made some decent graphs to pictorialise it | 11:55 |
| oneswig | did perf help there? | 11:55 |
| priteau | b1airo: I was thinking about the settings on the host | 11:55 |
| daveholland | @blairo did you tweak zone_reclaim_mode at all? | 11:56 |
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| daveholland | (also the old-fashioned sysadmin in me agrees that having a bit of swap is no bad thing) | 11:56 |
| b1airo | Actually still haven't done that as once I discovered this behaviour I figured inspecting guest vmstat was the better place to start | 11:56 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I wonder if you are switching THP too much, so smaller pages would be better, as they are quicker to read in? | 11:56 |
| b1airo | daveholland: was just about to say that - interestingly, turning on zone reclaim makes the problem go away (at least for this little test case) | 11:57 |
| martial_ | I would second stig here on the 2GB random access on a THP pagecache, seems prone to slowdown even if it is simply jumps | 11:57 |
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| oneswig | Time call! | 11:58 |
| b1airo | With zone reclaim on even after filling pagecache the kernel is keeping over 2GB free on my 8GB test VM | 11:58 |
| daveholland | blairo: we came to that via a user seeing soft lockups, https://access.redhat.com/solutions/1560893 (don't know if you need a RH account to view) | 11:58 |
| b1airo | By the way, I've confirmed this in both centos7 (3.10 kernel) and with 4.12 from EPEL | 11:59 |
| oneswig | guest OS? | 11:59 |
| b1airo | Thanks daveholland , will have a look (I do have a RH account) | 11:59 |
| b1airo | Centos7 | 11:59 |
| oneswig | thought you ran Xenial in the hypervisor? | 11:59 |
| martial_ | blair, take a look at that https://engineering.linkedin.com/performance/optimizing-linux-memory-management-low-latency-high-throughput-databases | 12:00 |
| b1airo | Ubuntu Trusty host with 4.4 kernel | 12:00 |
| oneswig | We are out of time, alas. | 12:00 |
| oneswig | Thanks b1airo, good update | 12:00 |
| oneswig | have to close now | 12:00 |
| b1airo | I did read that already martial_ ;-) | 12:00 |
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| oneswig | #endmeeting | 12:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 2 12:01:07 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-08-02-11.00.html | 12:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-08-02-11.00.txt | 12:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-08-02-11.00.log.html | 12:01 |
| oneswig | thanks all, until next time! | 12:01 |
| martial_ | b1airo: darn that looked exactly like what you were desribing | 12:01 |
| oneswig | We'll get through the agenda one day | 12:01 |
| priteau | Thanks, bye everyone | 12:01 |
| b1airo | Thanks all! | 12:02 |
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| daveholland | ttfn | 12:02 |
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| rhochmuth | #startmeeting monasca | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 2 14:00:17 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rhochmuth. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| rhochmuth | o/ | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 14:00 |
| witek | hello | 14:00 |
| rhochmuth | hello | 14:00 |
| rhochmuth | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-team-meeting-agenda | 14:01 |
| rhochmuth | looks like a small set of attendees today | 14:01 |
| rhochmuth | #topic EOL stable/mitaka for monasca-ceilometer | 14:02 |
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| witek | joadavis: we are on your topic now | 14:03 |
| joadavis | great. :) | 14:03 |
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| joadavis | Basically, we should have all monasca-* services in line with EOL for mitaka. for monasca-ceilometer, I think there is just an approval needed to proceed | 14:04 |
| rhochmuth | so it looks like you want to EOL stable/mitaka for monasca-ceilometer | 14:04 |
| rhochmuth | so, are you just looking for a +1 on the review | 14:05 |
| joadavis | yes, I think that is what is needed | 14:05 |
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| joadavis | aagate: Is there anything else? | 14:06 |
| aagate | rhochmuth: if you can reply to email that Andreas Jaeger sent that will be great cc: openstack-infra dist | 14:06 |
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| aagate | I think they want to make sure that PTL is fine with the change | 14:07 |
| rhochmuth | ok, i was trying to find that in my email backlog, but will work on it after we close | 14:08 |
| rhochmuth | sorry for the delay | 14:08 |
| aagate | rhochmuth: np..thank you! | 14:09 |
| rhochmuth | #topic Review request for Monasca Cassandra DB integration initial proposal | 14:09 |
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| jgu | great :-). we've completed the first phase of investigation and have a proposal drafted at: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cassandra_monasca | 14:10 |
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| witek | I have started reading, but I'm not through yet | 14:10 |
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| jgu | the metric upsert and read query seem to be reasonable in our testing. Upsert ranges from 80k to 250k per second with a single Java client on a two node cluster. | 14:12 |
| rhochmuth | ok, i'm going to have to read this off-line too | 14:12 |
| jgu | rhochmuth and Witek: that'd great. We need help to poke holes in it :-). | 14:13 |
| joadavis | It is an impressive amount of work Jgu and team have been doing, and I hope it can be of benefit to the monasca community. More reviews will be appreciated. | 14:13 |
| witek | have you tested query perf with lots of different metric/dimension combinations? | 14:14 |
| jgu | not like we have not got help Roland and Joel already :-) | 14:14 |
| jgu | witek: are you asking about the read queries? | 14:14 |
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| witek | yes | 14:14 |
| rhochmuth | yeah, me reading this now is not helping | 14:16 |
| jgu | we tested the read queries with some combinations. and they all seem to be very fast, because all based on the full Cassandra partition key(s). | 14:16 |
| rhochmuth | it will take a while to digest | 14:16 |
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| rhochmuth | are you doing any buffering? | 14:16 |
| rhochmuth | are you doing any compression? | 14:17 |
| jgu | witek: anything specific combinations you are concerned about? | 14:17 |
| witek | just a number of unique metrics/dimensions | 14:17 |
| jgu | rhochmuth: no we have not tested with compression yet. it's said compression won't impact write. | 14:19 |
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| jgu | witek: you mean a large number of unique metrics in the measurement query? | 14:19 |
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| witek | yes, the query which results in many unique metrics across partitions | 14:21 |
| jgu | there are a couple of caveats in the model: the measurement query becomes a two stage query. First find the metric ids by metric name and dimension combinationl then query measurements with time criteria in the measurement table. | 14:22 |
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| jgu | also query metric name by dimensions needs a client side join. since we have limited number of metric names (~600?), the client side join in Java code won't be too bad. | 14:23 |
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| jgu | witek: the measurement table partition is per metric id, so we are still search by partition keys using the IN operator when there are a number of unique metric/dimension combinations. | 14:25 |
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| jgu | IN operator has an upper limit of 65k, but hope our user won't query for measurements for that many unique metrics at one time? | 14:25 |
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| jgu | Roland and Witek: should I set up an "offline" meeting with you and others interested? | 14:28 |
| rhochmuth | possibly | 14:29 |
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| rhochmuth | i would like to just review off-line first | 14:29 |
| witek | It would be great | 14:29 |
| rhochmuth | so, can we end the meeting today | 14:29 |
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| witek | rbrndt was also involved in the initial investigation | 14:30 |
| jgu | yes for me :-) | 14:30 |
| jgu | Ryan? | 14:30 |
| rhochmuth | right, ryan brandt | 14:30 |
| rbrndt | yup | 14:30 |
| jgu | I'll forward it to Ryan. | 14:30 |
| jgu | he is already here :-) | 14:30 |
| jgu | thanks Roland, Witke and Ryan | 14:31 |
| rhochmuth | ok, i'm going to end this meeting | 14:31 |
| rhochmuth | #endmeeting | 14:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:31 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 2 14:31:32 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-08-02-14.00.html | 14:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-08-02-14.00.txt | 14:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-08-02-14.00.log.html | 14:31 |
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| parus | #startmeeting massively_distributed_clouds | 14:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 2 14:59:23 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is parus. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: massively_distributed_clouds)" | 14:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'massively_distributed_clouds' | 14:59 |
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| jamemcc | Hello | 14:59 |
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| parus | Hi Jamecc | 15:00 |
| dpertin | Hi o/ | 15:00 |
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| samP | Hi o/ | 15:00 |
| parus | Let's give it a minute for people to join. | 15:00 |
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| ansmith | o/ | 15:01 |
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| kgiusti | o/ | 15:01 |
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| jamemcc | samP has joined for the topic of LCOO-Extreme Testing initiative and any overlap to our work here and possibly ENOS | 15:01 |
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| parus | Let's get started | 15:01 |
| samP | jamemcc: thx | 15:02 |
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| jamemcc | He had joined 2 meetings ago at my request but we didn't get to him. Past midnight for Sampath. Thank you Sampath. | 15:02 |
| parus | Good. | 15:02 |
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| parus | Adrien is on vacation today..... so I will be chairing. | 15:03 |
| jamemcc | Thank you | 15:03 |
| parus | we can put samP early in the agenda. | 15:03 |
| parus | Is there any other request for the agenda? | 15:03 |
| parus | Let's start with announcements. | 15:04 |
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| parus | #topic announcements | 15:04 |
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| parus | About opendev. Afew of us are confirmed. | 15:04 |
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| parus | Please put your name on the etherpad if you would be attending. | 15:05 |
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| dpertin | #link http://www.opendevconf.com/ | 15:05 |
| knikolla | o/ | 15:05 |
| parus | We are trying to have a face to face meeting for those will be attending on september 6th. | 15:05 |
| parus | Moving on. | 15:06 |
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| parus | There was a note from Adrien about new people from Ericsson wanting to participate. | 15:06 |
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| parus | If there are any new members in attendance today, this is a good time to introduce yourself. | 15:07 |
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| parus | Let's move to first topic. | 15:08 |
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| parus | #topic LCOO-Extreme | 15:08 |
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| samP | Hi, I'm Sampath from NTT | 15:08 |
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| samP | #link https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-user-stories/user-stories/proposed/openstack-extreme-testing.html | 15:09 |
| samP | ^^ This is the userstory for extreme testing. | 15:09 |
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| samP | There I propose to add integration testing, component interface testing, | 15:09 |
| samP | operational acceptance testing, destructive testing, concurrent testing, | 15:09 |
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| samP | performance testing, etc.. | 15:09 |
| samP | As a part of our work, we started from destructive testing. | 15:10 |
| samP | Here is the link for QA spec of destructive testing, | 15:10 |
| samP | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443504/ | 15:10 |
| parus | Is Massively Distributed part of the scope? | 15:11 |
| samP | parus: At the time, it was not | 15:11 |
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| parus | Are you actually doing the testing, or just specifying what tests to run? | 15:12 |
| samP | parus: Now we are doing it by our self. Goal of this proposal is to propose common framework for those testing | 15:13 |
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| parus | I can see this is interesting for this team. | 15:14 |
| parus | Do you have any suggestions on what next steps would be? | 15:14 |
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| samP | parus: we are now discussing about test architecture and other sub topics | 15:15 |
| samP | parus: let me find the link... | 15:15 |
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| parus | samP: From a FEMDC perspectivem I believe there are slightly different tests that could be run. | 15:16 |
| parus | samP: destructive is part of the scope... but we are really at the stage where we are trying to understand what the architecture options are that willl enable to scale well. | 15:16 |
| samP | #link Task List and current Status https://openstack-lcoo.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/LCOO/pages/13393034/Working+Space+for+Exteme+Testing+and+related+topics | 15:16 |
| samP | #link https://openstack-lcoo.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/LCOO/pages/15477787 | 15:17 |
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| samP | parus: got it. we can include that POV as well. | 15:18 |
| parus | samP: is there representation from this team in your meetings? | 15:18 |
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| samP | parus: NO,currently only 3 of us in VoIP | 15:19 |
| jamemcc | Next team meeting is in Mexico City at the Ops Meetup | 15:20 |
| samP | jamemcc: thanks | 15:20 |
| jamemcc | But the subsequent week 8/16 there shoudl be a VOIP call | 15:20 |
| samP | and we proposed a session in Ops Meetup at Mexico | 15:20 |
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| samP | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MEX-ops-meetup | 15:21 |
| parus | Is there anyone from this team attending the Ops Meetup? | 15:21 |
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| parus | jamecc: can you be the link between the groups? | 15:23 |
| jamemcc | Yes | 15:23 |
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| samP | I can announce our next VoIP details to your ML [FEMDC] | 15:23 |
| samP | jamemcc: sorry.. go ahead | 15:23 |
| parus | Great. thanks | 15:23 |
| jamemcc | Both are good | 15:23 |
| parus | #action samP to announce next meeting | 15:24 |
| samP | parus: jamemcc: sure, thanks | 15:24 |
| parus | #action jamecc to act as link between groups. | 15:24 |
| parus | LEt's move to next topic. | 15:24 |
| parus | #topic AMQP alternatives | 15:24 |
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| samP | parus: thanks | 15:24 |
| parus | Is there any update? | 15:25 |
| kgiusti | Hi - I've been working on a critical oslo bug | 15:25 |
| kgiusti | that affects alternative backends. | 15:25 |
| kgiusti | basically breaks nova cells | 15:25 |
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| kgiusti | Rabbitmq is not affected, but all the others (zeromq, amqp1, kafka) are | 15:25 |
| kgiusti | I think I have a fix for amqp1 - in progress. | 15:26 |
| kgiusti | But... I have no idea how to fix this for the remaining backends | 15:26 |
| kgiusti | We'll esp. need help for zeromq. | 15:26 |
| kgiusti | Otherwise, ansmith is making progress on kolla ansible | 15:27 |
| kgiusti | see epad line 1021 | 15:27 |
| kgiusti | thats all I have this week. | 15:27 |
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| parus | thanks for the update. | 15:28 |
| msimonin1 | one thing from my side | 15:28 |
| msimonin1 | regarding amqp alternatibe | 15:28 |
| msimonin1 | alternative | 15:28 |
| msimonin1 | * | 15:28 |
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| msimonin1 | During last performance WG meeting I suggest to formalize the test plan and result in the performace team documentation | 15:29 |
| msimonin1 | It's a place that centralized a lot of perf. evaluation of OpenStack | 15:29 |
| msimonin1 | what do you think kgiusti, ansmith ? | 15:30 |
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| msimonin1 | #link https://docs.openstack.org/developer/performance-docs/ | 15:30 |
| kgiusti | msimonin1: YES!!! | 15:30 |
| ansmith | +1 | 15:31 |
| kgiusti | By all means these tests should be part of that. | 15:31 |
| msimonin1 | ok :) | 15:31 |
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| kgiusti | Otherwise I suspect they won't have the exposure to upstream projects that are focused on rabbitmq solely | 15:31 |
| msimonin1 | yes I agree | 15:32 |
| kgiusti | So what was the reaction of the perf WG? | 15:32 |
| parus | So what is the action? | 15:32 |
| msimonin1 | I can start to formalize except if kgiusti want to :) | 15:33 |
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| kgiusti | oop | 15:34 |
| parus | #action msimonin1 to formalize test plan and resultsso it fits the format of the performance team | 15:34 |
| msimonin1 | parus: ack | 15:34 |
| kgiusti | msimonin1: want to start an email thread about your thoughts on this? | 15:34 |
| kgiusti | Unless you already have something to propose... | 15:34 |
| parus | Let's take this to mailing list and move to next topic | 15:35 |
| kgiusti | +1 | 15:35 |
| msimonin1 | +& | 15:35 |
| msimonin1 | +1 | 15:35 |
| parus | #topic cockroachdb | 15:35 |
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| parus | any update to discuss here? | 15:35 |
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| parus | we have 25 min left. | 15:35 |
| msimonin1 | no update from my side | 15:36 |
| parus | Let's move to use cases then | 15:36 |
| msimonin1 | rcherrueau is on vacation let's wait for him | 15:36 |
| parus | #topic UseCase discussion | 15:36 |
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| dsantoro | We started to add some motivation why we prefer to have k8s on top of OpenStack in slide 15 | 15:36 |
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| dsantoro | moreover I've just replied to a couple of comments in slides 16 and 8 from Paul-André | 15:37 |
| parus | Thank you for that. | 15:37 |
| dsantoro | We slightly modified the 3rd use-case. It will be about car tracking with plate recognition instead of people tracking via WiFi probes | 15:38 |
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| dsantoro | From our side next steps are i) to explore ENOS to deploy an OpenStack instance in our Lab in order to be able to test our uses cases on top of it once they will be ready (lead by my colleague Daniele Pizzolli) and ii) start the implementation of the use-cases, lead by me. | 15:39 |
| parus | Great! | 15:39 |
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| msimonin1 | dsantoro: don't hesitate to ping us regarding EnOs if needed | 15:39 |
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| dsantoro | I will also update the slides to put clearer the network connection between edge and central cloud (as requested last time from adrien) | 15:40 |
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| dsantoro | sure, we are completing the setup of hardware, probably starting from next week Daniele Pizzolli will ask help (if needed). thanks a lot | 15:40 |
| parus | #action dsantoro to update slides | 15:40 |
| parus | #action dsantoro to explore ENOS and reach out to msimonin1 if needed | 15:41 |
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| parus | dsantoro: Beyond creation of VM are you going to be looking at other lifecyle functions | 15:41 |
| parus | e.g.: maybe a destructive use case? | 15:42 |
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| dsantoro | @parus: can you please clarify ? | 15:42 |
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| parus | Well in your deck you did mention link failure as one important aspect. | 15:43 |
| dsantoro | Yes of course in the 3rd UC we would like to isolate the edge node simulating a link failure between central cloud and edge node | 15:43 |
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| parus | OK. | 15:44 |
| parus | Thanks. Regarding my deck. Jamecc and I have been in contact to try to validate some of the assumptions. | 15:44 |
| parus | We have had one offline discussion and we are planning more. | 15:45 |
| dsantoro | the application running on the edge node will save data locally, then later, when the connection will be up again data will be transitted back to the persitent storage in the cloud node | 15:45 |
| parus | One key question is also regarding backhaul links and their capacity. | 15:45 |
| parus | jamecc: do you want to comment further? | 15:45 |
| jamemcc | I will put some time into trying to incorprate more of the 5G and Telco Fog Edge needs taht came out of the Boston presenation into our deck. | 15:45 |
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| parus | thank you. Should I capture that as an action? | 15:46 |
| jamemcc | I also agreed to try to blow out some of the Control Plan Use Cases on slide 15 | 15:46 |
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| jamemcc | Yes | 15:46 |
| parus | #action jamecc to incorporate 5G and Telco Fog Edge needs Use cases | 15:47 |
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| parus | #action jamecc to work on Control plane use cases | 15:47 |
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| parus | Thank you! | 15:47 |
| parus | Any other comments or inputs? | 15:48 |
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| parus | #topic open Discussion | 15:48 |
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| parus | we have a few minutes left. Is there anything else? | 15:49 |
| parus | I propose we adjourn early then. | 15:49 |
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| msimonin1 | thanks parus for chairing | 15:50 |
| parus | Thank you all | 15:50 |
| jamemcc | Thank you Paul-Andre - good leading | 15:50 |
| parus | #endmeeting | 15:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 2 15:50:33 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/massively_distributed_clouds/2017/massively_distributed_clouds.2017-08-02-14.59.html | 15:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/massively_distributed_clouds/2017/massively_distributed_clouds.2017-08-02-14.59.txt | 15:50 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 2 16:00:23 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
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| smcginnis | Hey all. Just waiting a couple minutes for fols to join. | 16:02 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | Hello :) | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | *folks | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | We are now past Feature Freeze, Soft String Freeze, and client freeze. | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | So really we should just be focusing on bug fixes at this point and testing to make sure there are no regressions or critical things leading up to RC. | 16:04 |
| lhx_ | sorry, what's soft string? | 16:05 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: I think our client's noauth using env variables is broken btw (have to double check) :-( | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | lhx_: It means we should not change any translatable strings (e.g. _('Exception message')) unless we absolutely have to. | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | So the string freeze is to allow the i18n team a chance to catch up on translations before the release. | 16:06 |
| lhx_ | smcginnis, okay :) | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: We had a --profile change merge for the client. Could it have been that? | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | I could have sworn it had been working. | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | Maybe we need a job that tests that now that we have a few things using it. | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | And it seems to break often. | 16:07 |
| hemna | geguileo, it was working at one point | 16:07 |
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| geguileo | smcginnis: yup, I agree on everything you've said | 16:07 |
| geguileo | Maybe it's my bad and I was using old code | 16:07 |
| geguileo | Will double check | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: Well, if it's deemed critical we can ask for an exception, otherwise we may need to wait until after the freeze before we can get a fix out there. | 16:08 |
| geguileo | ok | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking Review focus | 16:08 |
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| smcginnis | I plan to go through that today. ^^ | 16:08 |
| geguileo | I'll check and open a bug if it's really broken | 16:08 |
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| smcginnis | geguileo: +1 | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | I think we made good progress through most of it. Anything else I will retarget or revert as needed. | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-August/120479.html PTG info | 16:09 |
| hemna | shouldn't all of the unmerged specs get pushed out? | 16:09 |
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| smcginnis | hemna: Yep, anything still under the Pike folder that has not merged should be updated to go under queens. | 16:10 |
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| smcginnis | Link above has a lot of good info for the PTG. | 16:10 |
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| smcginnis | Register if you plan on going as soon as you can. | 16:10 |
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| hemna | not going this time. | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | If you need travel support, there are a few more days left to apply for that. | 16:10 |
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| smcginnis | hemna: Really? I was hoping with the new job that would make it better. | 16:11 |
| hemna | yah, other stuff has come up, plus the entry fee and travel and all. | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | Grr | 16:11 |
| * jungleboyj is sad | 16:11 | |
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| * hemna is bummed | 16:12 | |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Talked to hemna about this last night. I will work out streaming so he can join virtually. | 16:12 |
| e0ne | hemna: :( | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | hemna just come out for a fishing trip then :) | 16:12 |
| hemna | :) | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-ptg-queens Planning etherpad for PTG | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | Well, whether you can go or not, please add any topics we should discuss to the etherpad. | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | And add your name so we know who is going. | 16:13 |
| * lhx_ done | 16:13 | |
| smcginnis | Even if you are unsure, just note that next to your name so we know. | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | lhx_: ;) | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | Not a lot of topics out there so far, but I think we had the same thing last time. | 16:14 |
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| smcginnis | We do plan on going through Friday, but if we run out of things to discuss we can always do a hack day or try to work on some cross project items. | 16:14 |
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| jungleboyj | Docs! | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | Actually... | 16:15 |
| tommylikehu | 50% percents topics are from jungleboyj | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Want to add a topic to give us a little education on docs there? | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: DocsMan Away! | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | tommylikehu: Now he's going to be more than 50%. :D | 16:16 |
| tommylikehu | smcginnis: :) | 16:16 |
| lhx_ | tommylikehu, hah, 2/3 is real :D | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | It's the jungleboyj show. :) | 16:16 |
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| smcginnis | Start thinking about Sydney too. | 16:17 |
| Swanson | Hi. | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | Swanson: A little tardy today. | 16:17 |
| * jungleboyj can't be a one man show. ;-) | 16:18 | |
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| smcginnis | Anyone know for sure they are going to Sydney? | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | Ok I have added the topic. People, please add questions if you have them. | 16:18 |
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| jungleboyj | Sydney! | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 16:18 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj ＼(-_- ) | 16:18 |
| _alastor_ | I'll be there | 16:18 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | I'll be there ;) | 16:19 |
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| smcginnis | OK, at least a few of us then. | 16:19 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Open Discussion | 16:20 |
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| patrickeast | I'll be around in Sydney | 16:20 |
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| smcginnis | Nothing else on the agenda. Anyone have anything else to discuss? | 16:20 |
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| * patrickeast is still mostly asleep | 16:20 | |
| smcginnis | hehe | 16:20 |
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| hemna | ok so what are we still merging at this point? | 16:20 |
| hemna | just bug fixes? | 16:20 |
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| smcginnis | hemna: That really should be it. | 16:21 |
| hemna | ok cool. just wanted to be clear | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: ++ | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | Unless there is something important we decide to let through yet. | 16:21 |
| * lhx_ raise hand | 16:21 | |
| jungleboyj | And doc changes. | 16:21 |
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| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | lhx_: Did you have something? | 16:21 |
| lhx_ | could the drbd driver be used in product? | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Any more docs changes outstandign? | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | lhx_: You mean as far as packaged into a product that is sold? | 16:22 |
| lhx_ | anyone knows? | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Yes, been pulled off to other stuff this week so it has slowed a bit. | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | More that we should get in before Pike is cut. | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: OK, I'll watch for them. | 16:22 |
| clarkb | cinder consistently shows up in http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/data/integrated_gate.html as resetting the gate due to unittest failures | 16:22 |
| clarkb | would be great if cinder could look into that | 16:23 |
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| smcginnis | Last I looked they were all different random stuff. | 16:23 |
| geguileo | clarkb: is there a bug for that? | 16:23 |
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| hemna | I only see 2 in that list | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | If anyone can spend some time going through that and looking for issues, might be a good way to mine for bug fixes. ^^ | 16:23 |
| clarkb | geguileo: no someone has to look into it and determine what bugs they are and possibly add e-r signature | 16:24 |
| lhx_ | smcginnis, I meant to ingrate drbd with lvm in product environment | 16:24 |
| clarkb | geguileo: this is the we have failures but don't know what the bugs are list. | 16:24 |
| geguileo | clarkb: But the bug report could be just what you said, that it's reseting it | 16:24 |
| hemna | the cinder tox issue in that list is a failure to communicate with the ubuntu mirror for apt update. | 16:24 |
| geguileo | clarkb: OK | 16:24 |
| clarkb | geguileo: no we don't want that kind of bug its unspecific, instead we generate a list of the failures for you to help you dig in and find specifics | 16:25 |
| clarkb | geguileo: basically this tool fills that use case, not the bug tracker | 16:25 |
| geguileo | clarkb: OK, thanks | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | #info Elastic recheck info could use someone looking through errors for bugs | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | Anything else for today? | 16:27 |
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| hemna | each of those py27 failures are different | 16:28 |
| hemna | :( | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | hemna: That's what I saw last I looked. Not sure if there's anything more than random failures out there. | 16:29 |
| hemna | a few are _notify events | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | We do still have a notifier issue. | 16:29 |
| hemna | but for different parts | 16:29 |
| hemna | so...not sure | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Ha, yep. | 16:29 |
| tommylikehu | hemna: hah, notify events .. | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | We need to find a better way to handle that I think. | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | OK, if there is nothing else for the meeting we can get back over to -cinder. | 16:30 |
| clarkb | considering that its three different cinder jobs and almost no other project even shows up on the list I doubt its random | 16:30 |
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| clarkb | (noav and neutron have like 3 fails total in unittests and that looks like it for unittests) | 16:31 |
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| lhx_ | I just want to know if anyone used this driver? | 16:31 |
| lhx_ | https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/cinder/volume/drivers/drbdmanagedrv.py | 16:31 |
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| smcginnis | lhx_: Yes, linbit maintains it and there is a CI job that runs for it. | 16:32 |
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| smcginnis | OK, thanks everyone. | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:32 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 2 16:32:49 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-08-02-16.00.html | 16:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-08-02-16.00.txt | 16:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-08-02-16.00.log.html | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 16:33 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj ( ・_・)ノ | 16:33 |
| lhx_ | smcginnis, thanks, will ping him | 16:33 |
| lhx_ | :) | 16:33 |
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| tommylikehu | thanks | 16:34 |
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| johnsom | #startmeeting Octavia | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 2 17:00:04 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnsom. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 17:00 |
| johnsom | Hi folks | 17:00 |
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| jniesz | Hi | 17:00 |
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| rm_mobile | o/ | 17:00 |
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| johnsom | I'm going to get things rolling while folks show up. Lots of announcements today | 17:00 |
| johnsom | #topic Announcements | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 17:00 | |
| JudeC | o/ | 17:00 |
| johnsom | PTL nominations are open | 17:01 |
| johnsom | #link https://governance.openstack.org/election/ | 17:01 |
| gans | o/ | 17:01 |
| johnsom | See the above link for information on the nomination process. | 17:01 |
| johnsom | The queens PTG is September 11-15th in Denver. | 17:01 |
| johnsom | #link https://www.openstack.org/ptg | 17:02 |
| rm_mobile | I nominate johnsom! | 17:02 |
| johnsom | I have setup a planning etherpad here: | 17:02 |
| johnsom | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/octavia-ptg-queens | 17:02 |
| johnsom | rm_mobile Well, I think you *can* do that | 17:02 |
| xgerman_ | o/ | 17:02 |
| johnsom | Though I don't have info from my employer yet on whether they will support me in another round. | 17:03 |
| johnsom | For the PTG, please sign up on the etherpad if you will be attending. The foundation is trying to pick room sizes for teams and would like an estimate of the folks that will be in the Octavia room. | 17:04 |
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| johnsom | Also, if you have other topics we should discuss, please feel free to add it to the list. | 17:04 |
| johnsom | Our next milestone is the RC1 release scheduled for the week of August 7th. | 17:05 |
| johnsom | #link https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html | 17:05 |
| johnsom | We should strive to have any critical bugs in by then if we can. | 17:06 |
| johnsom | Also, in case you missed the announcements, voting for sessions in Sydney has started. | 17:06 |
| johnsom | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/vote-for-speakers | 17:06 |
| johnsom | Vote early, vote often... | 17:06 |
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| johnsom | Even if you aren't going, you can vote for sessions you are interested in watching on YouTube after the summit. | 17:07 |
| johnsom | We did release Pike-3 last week, so we are on track with the release schedule. | 17:08 |
| johnsom | Also of note, I have marked us complete for one of the two community goals for queens: | 17:08 |
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| xgerman_ | I did some OSA stuff: | 17:08 |
| johnsom | #link https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/queens/policy-in-code.html#octavia | 17:09 |
| xgerman_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/484440/ | 17:09 |
| johnsom | Any other announcements? | 17:09 |
| xgerman_ | Enabling our V2 API in there | 17:09 |
| xgerman_ | please comment | 17:09 |
| xgerman_ | and then the terraform provider for LBaaS had issues: https://github.com/xgerman/terraform-provider-openstack/tree/LBaaS_V2_Timeouts | 17:10 |
| xgerman_ | in case somebody is using that stuff ;-) | 17:10 |
| johnsom | #topic Brief progress reports / bugs needing review | 17:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Brief progress reports / bugs needing review (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 17:10 | |
| johnsom | xgerman_ Cool stuff getting the v2 API setup as an option for OSA | 17:11 |
| johnsom | What was up with the timeouts? Not waiting long enough for nova to boot? | 17:11 |
| jniesz | os the default option is to have neutron pass through to the octavia v2 api? | 17:11 |
| xgerman_ | they are just crazy — amde them more sane | 17:11 |
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| rm_mobile | No | 17:12 |
| xgerman_ | I assumed standalone.. | 17:12 |
| johnsom | jniesz The proxy plugin for neutron hasn't merged yet and could use some reviews: | 17:12 |
| johnsom | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/418530/ | 17:12 |
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| johnsom | Yeah, standalone makes sense for the octavia role. The proxy option should be part of neutron or neutron-lbaas role I would think. | 17:13 |
| xgerman_ | they all need to play nice together | 17:14 |
| xgerman_ | since I wanted to introduce that change I ahven;t done the full swoop | 17:15 |
| johnsom | I was out for a family reunion for a couple of days, so not a lot of progress to report other than the Pike-3 release and some reviews. | 17:15 |
| johnsom | I'm hoping to get back to the failover API patch this week. Also still have some docs migration patches to do, most notably, neutron-lbaas. | 17:16 |
| johnsom | I will also do a bug scrub today/tomorrow to make sure we have those cleaned up for Pike. We made a bunch of progress | 17:16 |
| johnsom | Any other updates from folks? | 17:16 |
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| johnsom | I know Jude has started on our tempest plugin, yeah! | 17:17 |
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| JudeC | Yep its coming along | 17:17 |
| jniesz | johnsom how close do you think we are with the flavor spec getting merged? | 17:17 |
| johnsom | Cool, I hope to have a look soon. | 17:17 |
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| JudeC | Much appreciated :) | 17:18 |
| johnsom | jniesz I think it is in good shape. We need to get some reviews logged on this revision. | 17:18 |
| jniesz | yea, I saw you made the fixes | 17:18 |
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| johnsom | Yeah, really it is just waiting on getting some reviews | 17:19 |
| johnsom | (there are none at the moment) | 17:19 |
| johnsom | Remember, everyone can and should review. It's not just up to the cores.... | 17:20 |
| xgerman_ | +1 | 17:20 |
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| rm_work | ah speaking of: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/489015/ | 17:20 |
| rm_work | that is a really annoying one and would love to get some reviews/testing on that | 17:20 |
| rm_work | ah, i see it needs a unit test :P | 17:21 |
| rm_work | k i'll do that ASAP | 17:21 |
| johnsom | Yeah, we were looking at that yesterday. I think it's a good fix, needs a unit test, but should help the member status be super accurate. | 17:21 |
| johnsom | #topic Mascot | 17:22 |
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| rm_work | +1 | 17:22 |
| johnsom | So the artists came back after our request to make the number of feathers eight | 17:22 |
| rm_work | I like it | 17:22 |
| johnsom | #link https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/6S5klrGB/peacock.png | 17:22 |
| johnsom | Any additional comments or can I lock this in with the foundation? | 17:23 |
| sanfern | I like it too | 17:23 |
| gans | +1 | 17:23 |
| johnsom | I think we are good to go myself | 17:23 |
| jniesz | looks a lot better | 17:23 |
| jniesz | +1 | 17:23 |
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| johnsom | Ok, unless I hear some negative feedback, I will e-mail the foundation that we are happy with this version. | 17:24 |
| xgerman_ | +1 | 17:24 |
| xgerman_ | we all need stickers ;-) | 17:24 |
| johnsom | Excellent. Yeah, we should be able to have stickers for the PTG and Sydney. | 17:25 |
| johnsom | #topic Open Discussion | 17:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 17:25 | |
| johnsom | Ok, any other topics for today? | 17:25 |
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| johnsom | I would really appreciate some reviews this week. We have L3 Act/Act spec and flavors spec open still. | 17:26 |
| xgerman_ | and I am trying to get the OSA people to do reviews… | 17:26 |
| johnsom | #link https://review.openstack.org/453005 | 17:26 |
| johnsom | #link https://review.openstack.org/392485 | 17:26 |
| xgerman_ | so if you have friends over there… | 17:26 |
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| johnsom | Yeah, those interested in Ansible for Octavia, those are good patches to review | 17:27 |
| jniesz | xgerman_ we have core here on OSA | 17:27 |
| jniesz | I can reach out | 17:27 |
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| xgerman_ | thx - I will mention patches in their meeting tomorrow. | 17:28 |
| xgerman_ | as well | 17:28 |
| xgerman_ | 2nd OSA patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/483520/ | 17:28 |
| rm_work | what about the openstacksdk reviews | 17:29 |
| rm_work | did anything happen there? | 17:29 |
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| johnsom | Very good question. | 17:30 |
| johnsom | So, no, no one has reviewed any of those yet. | 17:30 |
| johnsom | I plan to send an e-mail out on the dev list asking some questions about that. | 17:30 |
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| rm_work | maybe WE are supposed to? | 17:30 |
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| rm_work | and if we +1 they rubber-stamp? | 17:30 |
| rm_work | since they prolly don't know much about octavia | 17:31 |
| johnsom | I see they did a pypi release not too long ago, but they are not using the OpenStack release team, so I'm really not sure what the story is with that project. | 17:31 |
| johnsom | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/python-openstacksdk+status:open | 17:31 |
| johnsom | Yeah, +1's will probably help. | 17:31 |
| johnsom | We are basically the top set of patches there. | 17:31 |
| johnsom | I have yet to do quota, but everything else is implemented. | 17:32 |
| johnsom | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/python-openstacksdk+status:open+topic:%255Eoctavia.* | 17:34 |
| johnsom | There we go, better list | 17:34 |
| rm_work | ah, we also need stats in the octavia client still, right? | 17:34 |
| johnsom | Back story here, others started these patches, but did not finish. I have gone through and finished them. | 17:34 |
| rm_work | if anyone is bored :P | 17:34 |
| johnsom | This is the python SDK | 17:35 |
| johnsom | Yeah, I think stats and status tree are still missing, as well as integrating the quota commands | 17:35 |
| johnsom | My plan is to use this SDK for the backend of the octavia dashboard (horizon) | 17:35 |
| johnsom | Any other topics for today? | 17:37 |
| xgerman_ | do we need to corrdinate with Neutron fort lbaasv2 | 17:37 |
| xgerman_ | I think for the proxy we might need to file a FFE? | 17:37 |
| johnsom | Well, it's our project, but we should have sent out a FFE e-mail already if we thought we were going to get it into Pike. | 17:38 |
| rm_work | ah yeah i didn't know if we would land it in Pike | 17:39 |
| rm_work | though I don't see a problem, it's a NEW thing | 17:39 |
| rm_work | it can't break anyone right? :P | 17:39 |
| johnsom | Famous last words... | 17:39 |
| xgerman_ | ok, if we don’t have the proxy our depreciation gets mices up but we can’t do that anyway | 17:39 |
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| xgerman_ | mixed | 17:40 |
| xgerman_ | and also with neutron client going away things get messy when it comes to support | 17:40 |
| johnsom | Yeah, I think we have to wait for providers before we start the deprecation clock. I think queens will be when neutron-lbaas deprecation is announced. | 17:40 |
| rm_work | yeah i guess we can try | 17:40 |
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| rm_work | did you touch it since my last comments xgerman_? | 17:40 |
| rm_work | wasn't sure | 17:41 |
| xgerman_ | I rebased | 17:41 |
| johnsom | I added the bug to it for tracking | 17:41 |
| xgerman_ | your comment was cryptic so I ignored it ;-) | 17:41 |
| rm_work | err lol | 17:41 |
| johnsom | So, I'm not really feeling the need to rush this into Pike. I think we can do it at the start of Queens IMO. Open for discussion... | 17:42 |
| xgerman_ | what we need to do is figure out if the delay makes us having to write an openstack client plugin for lbaasv2 | 17:43 |
| johnsom | I don't really follow how the proxy plugin helps that. | 17:43 |
| johnsom | Did Kevin announce they are pulling the client code out? I haven't seen that. | 17:44 |
| xgerman_ | it says deprecated every time I run it | 17:44 |
| xgerman_ | the plan was because of the proxy plugin and the openstack client that we don’t need an lbaasv2 openstack plugin | 17:45 |
| johnsom | Yes, but I don't think there is a hard end date on that | 17:45 |
| xgerman_ | yeah, as I said it gets messy | 17:45 |
| johnsom | I will ping Kevin just to make sure it's not getting pulled out of the code any time soon. | 17:46 |
| xgerman_ | yeah, if we can save having to write code by announcing deprecation earlier I am all for it | 17:46 |
| johnsom | Yeah, lots of things with neutron-lbaas are messy.... | 17:46 |
| johnsom | There is no support on either side to add neutron-lbaas commands to OSC. That just isn't going to happen. | 17:47 |
| rm_work | ummm what prevents the existing client from "working" with neutron-lbaas, more or less? | 17:47 |
| johnsom | The plan has always been to continue to use the neutron client until all of the projects are migrated and the split is complete | 17:48 |
| johnsom | rm_work Nothing | 17:48 |
| rm_work | soooo | 17:48 |
| rm_work | I don't even see a problem | 17:48 |
| rm_work | let's verify we can make that client work | 17:48 |
| rm_work | and... we've got one | 17:48 |
| johnsom | Yeah, me either | 17:48 |
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| johnsom | Yeah, the neutron client continues to work | 17:48 |
| johnsom | Some of my testing scripts still use it. | 17:49 |
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| rm_work | well even if it is removed, people can use the openstack client for octavia to hit neutron-lbaas | 17:49 |
| xgerman_ | ok, we should say that somewhere | 17:49 |
| johnsom | rm_work In theory yes. Has anyone tried it? | 17:49 |
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| rm_work | johnsom: erg you should fix that :P I have examples in mine of everything you'd need to replace i think | 17:49 |
| rm_work | johnsom: that's what i'm saying, we need to just try it | 17:49 |
| rm_work | and maybe there's a bug or two we can fix | 17:50 |
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| rm_work | ah like i know for neutron-lbaas for some reason member-subnet-id is required :/ | 17:50 |
| rm_work | it should be optional | 17:50 |
| johnsom | Ugh, debatable | 17:50 |
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| rm_work | technically anything is debatable | 17:51 |
| johnsom | Right! | 17:51 |
| xgerman_ | +1 | 17:51 |
| rm_work | do both sides have merit? I don't think so :P | 17:51 |
| johnsom | Hahaha, I know which side you are thinking of... | 17:51 |
| rm_work | but we can debate | 17:51 |
| xgerman_ | We got bitten with deprecation V1->V2 so want to be super cautious this time around… | 17:51 |
| johnsom | V1->V2 was handled very poorly, we are not doing that. | 17:52 |
| rm_work | ok, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/489015/ has a unit test now | 17:52 |
| xgerman_ | that’s why I ask those questions ;-) | 17:52 |
| johnsom | Any other topics today? | 17:53 |
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| johnsom | Alright, on to reviews! | 17:54 |
| johnsom | #endmeeting | 17:54 |
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| bh526r | #startmeeting gluon | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 2 18:00:09 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bh526r. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
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| bh526r | #topic Roll Call | 18:00 |
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| bh526r | #info Bin Hu | 18:00 |
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| bh526r | #topic Admin Update | 18:05 |
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| bh526r | #info None | 18:05 |
| bh526r | #topic Pike Update | 18:05 |
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| bh526r | #info We approved and merged 5 patches based on meeting last week | 18:06 |
| bh526r | #info There are 3 outstanding patches. We will review and dispose them offline | 18:06 |
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| bh526r | #info Bin will work with Sukhdev for the update of integration with Neutron | 18:07 |
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| bh526r | #info Patch 1: Gluon object-level authorization | 18:10 |
| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/482752/ | 18:10 |
| bh526r | #info Patch 2: Policies in yaml | 18:10 |
| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/486254/ | 18:11 |
| bh526r | #info Patch 3: Stop using deprecated CORS.set_latent() | 18:11 |
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| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/489551/ | 18:11 |
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| bh526r | #topic AOB | 18:12 |
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| bh526r | #info None | 18:13 |
| bh526r | #info Meeting adjourned | 18:13 |
| bh526r | #endmeeting | 18:13 |
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| ekhugen_alt | #startmeeting wos_mentoring | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 2 20:00:08 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekhugen_alt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| ekhugen_alt | Hi who's here for the mentoring team meeting? | 20:01 |
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| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 20:03 |
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| diablo_rojo | amrith, around? | 20:03 |
| ekhugen_alt | Hi Kendall | 20:03 |
| diablo_rojo | ekhugen_alt, what's on the agenda today? | 20:03 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think just going back to the new round of long term mentoring | 20:04 |
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| ekhugen_alt | sorry I got stuck trying to help someone with gerrithub problems and it kind of ate up my afternoon | 20:04 |
| ekhugen_alt | Hi Nicole | 20:04 |
| NicoleH | Hi Emily! | 20:04 |
| diablo_rojo | Got the link to the form handy? | 20:05 |
| ekhugen_alt | this one? https://openstackfoundation.formstack.com/forms/mentoring_pike_queens | 20:05 |
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| diablo_rojo | Yep that's the one :) | 20:07 |
| NicoleH | Looking at it now. | 20:07 |
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| ekhugen_alt | we've cut it down quite a bit, anything else people want to change before we declare it ready? | 20:08 |
| diablo_rojo | I think taking all those questions out is really good. | 20:08 |
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| diablo_rojo | I think its good how it is | 20:08 |
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| ekhugen_alt | +1 diablo_rojo, nice job! | 20:09 |
| NicoleH | Wondering if we should include Long Term Mentoring in this statement at the top of the form: Sign up to be part of the OpenStack Mentoring Programs, including Speed Mentoring and Upstream University. | 20:09 |
| NicoleH | So: Sign up to be part of the OpenStack Mentoring Programs, including Speed Mentoring, Long Term Mentoring and Upstream University. | 20:09 |
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| ekhugen_alt | I think that makes sense | 20:10 |
| amrith | diablo_rojo yes, multi-tasking | 20:11 |
| diablo_rojo | amrith, me too | 20:11 |
| ekhugen_alt | diablo_rojo is it pretty easy to change that line at the top of the form? | 20:12 |
| NicoleH | diablo_rojo, how do-able is it to swap order of a couple of the questions? if it's more difficult, no worries. | 20:13 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah definitely | 20:13 |
| diablo_rojo | Also very easy | 20:13 |
| ekhugen_alt | thanks! | 20:13 |
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| NicoleH | ok, am looking at the order ... | 20:14 |
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| NicoleH | Looking at the 4th question & 7th question, these appear very similar. | 20:15 |
| NicoleH | They both ask about current role. | 20:15 |
| ekhugen_alt | Job Title/Current Role* and What is your current role?* | 20:16 |
| NicoleH | yep | 20:17 |
| diablo_rojo | Good point | 20:17 |
| diablo_rojo | I will take out current role? | 20:17 |
| ekhugen_alt | +1 diablo_rojo | 20:17 |
| NicoleH | +1 | 20:17 |
| NicoleH | Should the question about 'previous roles' then fall underneath it? | 20:18 |
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| ekhugen_alt | if we do that, can we move the mentor/mentee question up to under Company? | 20:19 |
| ekhugen_alt | I'm just thinking of the spreadsheet and it's useful to have mentor/mentee always near the left hand side | 20:19 |
| diablo_rojo | Here let me make some of these changes real quick and we can look at it. Two min and I will tell you when to refresh. | 20:21 |
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| ekhugen_alt | thank you! | 20:21 |
| NicoleH | cool! | 20:21 |
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| diablo_rojo | Okay refresh | 20:25 |
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| NicoleH | It feels like we should drop the question about goals down below the question posed to mentees about their areas of interest. | 20:25 |
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| NicoleH | That way, all of the questions posed to mentors are together. | 20:25 |
| NicoleH | Otherwise, the form looks great! | 20:25 |
| diablo_rojo | Better? | 20:26 |
| ekhugen_alt | I like that change | 20:26 |
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| diablo_rojo | Once we are settled on what this looks like. I will make a google sheet, link it and then we are ready to send out the email I think | 20:27 |
| NicoleH | Awesome! | 20:27 |
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| diablo_rojo | So we are good to go? | 20:28 |
| NicoleH | Looks great on my end! | 20:28 |
| diablo_rojo | Perfect :) Thanks for the suggestions NicoleH :) | 20:28 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think so | 20:28 |
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| NicoleH | absolutely! :) | 20:29 |
| diablo_rojo | ekhugen_alt, I will ping you when I am done with the google sheet. Will do it today and then you are free to send the email to kick things off whenever you want. | 20:29 |
| diablo_rojo | I can also get annabelleB to promote :) | 20:29 |
| ekhugen_alt | okay, and just fyi this is the email I was going to send out | 20:29 |
| ekhugen_alt | Hello All! | 20:29 |
| ekhugen_alt | We are excited to kick off the next round of mentoring sponsored by the | 20:29 |
| ekhugen_alt | Women of OpenStack! Anyone can sign up who is interested in mentoring or in | 20:29 |
| ekhugen_alt | need of a mentor! | 20:29 |
| ekhugen_alt | Mentors! We can set you up as a technical mentor based on your areas of | 20:29 |
| ekhugen_alt | expertise within the community or we can match you with a mentee looking | 20:29 |
| ekhugen_alt | for more career advice. | 20:29 |
| ekhugen_alt | Mentees! We have a variety of Stackers interested in giving you both | 20:29 |
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| ekhugen_alt | technical and career advice! We have mentors from a wide range of projects | 20:29 |
| ekhugen_alt | and working groups willing to help you get involved in different aspects of | 20:29 |
| ekhugen_alt | the community. | 20:29 |
| ekhugen_alt | We would like to make as many matches before the Denver PTG as we can | 20:29 |
| ekhugen_alt | so you can meet with your mentee/mentor there if you are both attending. | 20:29 |
| ekhugen_alt | If you have been involved with previous rounds of mentoring, we would love | 20:29 |
| ekhugen_alt | to have you back! Please fill out the form below, since we are starting | 20:29 |
| ekhugen_alt | from a clean slate on mentors and mentees this time. | 20:29 |
| ekhugen_alt | Sign-up to get involved here: | 20:30 |
| ekhugen_alt | https://openstackfoundation.formstack.com/forms/mentoring_pike_queens | 20:30 |
| diablo_rojo | Looks good to me :) | 20:30 |
| annabelleB | yup! can share on social! | 20:30 |
| ekhugen_alt | thanks diablo_rojo and annabelleB! | 20:30 |
| NicoleH | Yay, a big thank you! | 20:31 |
| diablo_rojo | annabelleB, maybe tweet something tomorrow or thursday? | 20:31 |
| annabelleB | can do! | 20:31 |
| ekhugen_alt | awesome! | 20:32 |
| ekhugen_alt | so anything else on the long term mentoring then? | 20:33 |
| NicoleH | not that i can think of. | 20:34 |
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| ekhugen_alt | okay, amrith anything to talk about with the Speed Mentoring session for Sydney? | 20:34 |
| diablo_rojo | Did we want to start talking about Speed Mentoring for SYD? Or waiting to hear if we have a sponsor before we plan things? | 20:34 |
| ekhugen_alt | I guess that's probably the only question there, if we've had any luck on sponsorship | 20:35 |
| diablo_rojo | Nothing so far. | 20:37 |
| ekhugen_alt | okay, any other topics? | 20:38 |
| NicoleH | none from me | 20:38 |
| diablo_rojo | None from me. | 20:39 |
| ekhugen_alt | does anyone mind if we cancel the next two weeks? I'm out of office for a bit | 20:39 |
| ekhugen_alt | and usually August is a big vacation time | 20:39 |
| NicoleH | sounds good on my end | 20:39 |
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| diablo_rojo | I think that's fine. We can email around if there are questions in the interim. | 20:40 |
| ekhugen_alt | okay cool | 20:40 |
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| diablo_rojo | Start making matches when we come back together in two weeks? | 20:40 |
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| ekhugen_alt | yep, that sounds like a good plan, although I think it will be 3 weeks | 20:40 |
| NicoleH | +1 diablo_rojo. sounds like a great next step! | 20:40 |
| diablo_rojo | ekhugen_alt, that's what I meant :) | 20:41 |
| ekhugen_alt | awesome, thanks everyone! Have a good afternoon! | 20:42 |
| ekhugen_alt | #endmeeting | 20:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 2 20:42:59 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2017/wos_mentoring.2017-08-02-20.00.html | 20:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2017/wos_mentoring.2017-08-02-20.00.txt | 20:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2017/wos_mentoring.2017-08-02-20.00.log.html | 20:43 |
| diablo_rojo | Thanks ekhugen_alt ! | 20:43 |
| NicoleH | thanks! | 20:43 |
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| acoles | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 2 21:00:35 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is acoles. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| acoles | Hi, who is here for the swift meeting? | 21:00 |
| joeljwright | o/ | 21:00 |
| kota_ | hi | 21:01 |
| tdasilva | hello | 21:01 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 21:01 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj (*´･д･)ﾉ | 21:01 |
| rledisez | hello o/ | 21:01 |
| acoles | this week notmyname is on vacation so I will faclitate the meeting | 21:02 |
| acoles | thanks everyone for being here | 21:02 |
| acoles | the agenda is in the usual place ... | 21:02 |
| kota_ | thanks acoles | 21:02 |
| acoles | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:02 |
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| torgomatic | oh, hello everyone | 21:03 |
| timburke | hi all | 21:03 |
| joeljwright | hey | 21:03 |
| acoles | not too much to cover so hopefully a short meeting | 21:03 |
| acoles | so first up is the PTG | 21:03 |
| acoles | #topic Denver PTG | 21:04 |
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| acoles | we are gathering ideas for the PTG sessions on an etherpad | 21:04 |
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| acoles | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-ptg-queens | 21:04 |
| acoles | it's good to see there ^^ that a few more people are signed up | 21:04 |
| acoles | let's keep adding ideas for topics | 21:05 |
| acoles | and also indicate where your particular interests are | 21:05 |
| acoles | I see notmyname has started a list for those that will be around for bug triage so go and add your name there if you will (on the same etherpad) | 21:06 |
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| acoles | did we decide how that bug triage would work? | 21:06 |
| zaitcev | I think I'll be there at PTG, hopefully with functests for PUT+POST, although these days I'm mostly looking at Gnocchi. | 21:07 |
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| acoles | zaitcev: good to hear! | 21:07 |
| tdasilva | acoles: divide and conquer sounded good to me | 21:07 |
| acoles | tdasilva: yes | 21:07 |
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| tdasilva | acoles: I was also going to suggest actually removing the lines that are getting crossed out, maybe the visualization of smaller list encourages more people to triage ;) | 21:08 |
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| acoles | tdasilva: yes, they will eventually make it hard to find the un-triaged bugs! | 21:08 |
| tdasilva | right | 21:09 |
| acoles | or shuffle them down but that is more work | 21:09 |
| acoles | any questions about the PTG? | 21:09 |
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| acoles | ok since we strayed on to it let's jump to | 21:10 |
| acoles | # topic bug triage | 21:10 |
| acoles | #link etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-bug-triage-list | 21:11 |
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| acoles | looks like there has been some progress but plenty more to do :) | 21:11 |
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| acoles | any questions on the process for triage? | 21:11 |
| acoles | quiet today | 21:12 |
| tdasilva | heh, might be short meeting indeed | 21:12 |
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| acoles | ok, well let's keep plugging away at the bugs - I found some easy ones to triage so get there early to do the same | 21:13 |
| kota_ | tdasilva: hehe, me too :P | 21:13 |
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| timburke | i found one to do with adding ipv6 support :-) | 21:13 |
| acoles | hehe | 21:13 |
| timburke | ✓ | 21:14 |
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| tdasilva | btw: this this the list: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-bug-triage-list | 21:15 |
| tdasilva | for folks that are not aware... | 21:15 |
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| tdasilva | nevermind, acoles had already posted it | 21:15 |
| acoles | it is also allowed to *fix* bugs but a reminder that the goal of this exercise is to reduce the number of un-triaged (Importance=Undecided, Status=New) | 21:15 |
| acoles | tdasilva: you can't post it enough! ;) | 21:15 |
| acoles | ok, enough on triage? | 21:16 |
| acoles | going, going... | 21:16 |
| timburke | oh, quick question: do we have much guidance on assigning importance? | 21:16 |
| timburke | in particular, low vs medium seems... fuzzy | 21:16 |
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| tdasilva | use your best judgment ??? honestly...idk..but i expect we would hash it out overtime | 21:18 |
| acoles | timburke: to my mind Low is the bottom rung (wishlist is sort of orthogonal, not really a bug) and probably implies inaction until it bumps up to Medium?? | 21:18 |
| timburke | k. i'll continue winging it :-) | 21:19 |
| acoles | that said, I can imagine Low importance sometimes being low hanging fruit so they might bet worked on | 21:19 |
| acoles | s/bet/get/ | 21:19 |
| mattoliverau | Sorry I'm late o/ | 21:19 |
| acoles | the one rule I do know is that Critical blocks a release | 21:19 |
| acoles | mattoliverau: welcome | 21:20 |
| acoles | and maybe High implies pain for ops? | 21:20 |
| acoles | but we'll all make our own judgements I guess | 21:21 |
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| acoles | ok next topic... | 21:22 |
| acoles | #topic recent releases | 21:22 |
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| acoles | since last week's meeting we have had both swiftclient and swift releases | 21:22 |
| mattoliverau | \o/ | 21:22 |
| acoles | #link https://releases.openstack.org/teams/swift.html | 21:22 |
| joeljwright | yay! | 21:22 |
| kota_ | great | 21:22 |
| acoles | There is lots of good stuff in these releases so well done and thanks to everyone for contributing! | 21:23 |
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| acoles | If I understand correctly the swiftclient release will be the final one for Pike. I'm not so sure for swift - there may be one more before Pike (end August/start September) | 21:23 |
| timburke | oh yeah, i should look into getting a release-notes link on that page for swiftclient, too | 21:24 |
| acoles | timburke: that would be great (but I have no idea how it happens) | 21:25 |
| tdasilva | timburke: is this the work of reno: https://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/swift/current.html ? | 21:26 |
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| acoles | yes reno is the tool | 21:26 |
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| timburke | i did it once... https://review.openstack.org/#/c/462708/ i think? maybe needed us to have some other stuff already in place... | 21:26 |
| timburke | like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/451118/ | 21:27 |
| acoles | so timburke is going to fix that (along with everything else) ;-) | 21:28 |
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| timburke | ...and it looks like swiftclient still needs a releasenotes tox job | 21:29 |
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| acoles | Perhaps worth a reminder that swift 2.15.0 is the first release to force deprecation of unsupported isa_l_rs_vand policies as announced here... | 21:29 |
| acoles | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-June/118242.html | 21:29 |
| mattoliverau | Oh yeah cool | 21:30 |
| mattoliverau | Good to remember | 21:30 |
| acoles | mattoliverau: or not, depending on your circumstances ;) | 21:30 |
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| mattoliverau | Maybe soon we'll hear how many people where running EC in a bad configuration out in the wild | 21:30 |
| zaitcev | Imagine waking up one day and saying "I wish Erasude Coding were never invented!" | 21:31 |
| timburke | zaitcev: ...been working on that PUT+POST patch a bit, eh? | 21:32 |
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| kota_ | is there any idea on calling alert for k>=22, m=4 for isa_l_rs_vand too? | 21:33 |
| kota_ | as well as m>=5 case on that e-mail from notmyname | 21:33 |
| timburke | that would probably be wise, but i don't know that anyone's started on it | 21:34 |
| acoles | kota_: yes we should do that, needs a patch | 21:34 |
| acoles | kota_: do you have link to the isa_l issue for those who may not be familiar? | 21:34 |
| acoles | found it | 21:35 |
| acoles | #link https://github.com/01org/isa-l/issues/10#issuecomment-310944022 | 21:35 |
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| kota_ | acoles: that one, i just am looking for with my browser ;) | 21:35 |
| acoles | note that the use of 'm' on that page is different from how kota_ and many of use 'k' and 'm' | 21:36 |
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| mattoliverau | Right, then that isn't confusing ;p | 21:37 |
| acoles | but the conclusion is that when num data parity frag is >=22 then num parity frags should be <= 4 | 21:37 |
| acoles | gah and I just confused it myself :/ | 21:38 |
| acoles | when num data frag is >=22 then num parity frags should be <= 4 | 21:38 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 21:39 |
| acoles | kota_: timburke I think first step might be a patch to add a warning? similar to the original issue | 21:39 |
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| kota_ | acoles: +1 | 21:39 |
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| timburke | strictly < 4, yeah? m=4 is bad | 21:39 |
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| kota_ | timburke: true | 21:39 |
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| acoles | timburke: yes. sorry. too late here for maths! | 21:41 |
| acoles | Anyway, great work everyone on the recent releases. | 21:41 |
| acoles | #topic next meeting | 21:42 |
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| acoles | Next week there is an 0700UTC meeting on August 9th which I believe mattoliverau will be chairing | 21:42 |
| mattoliverau | Yup | 21:42 |
| acoles | I'm not sure what the plan is for next week's 2100UTC meeting - notmyname will still be on vacation. | 21:42 |
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| acoles | I'm also away next week. I suggest watch the agenda wiki for an update on the 2100 meeting. | 21:43 |
| acoles | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:44 |
| mattoliverau | Kk | 21:44 |
| acoles | #topic open discussion | 21:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:44 | |
| acoles | anyone want to raise anything for discussion? | 21:44 |
| joeljwright | I'd love more opinion on slo pre/post amble | 21:44 |
| joeljwright | christian made some comments | 21:44 |
| joeljwright | but it feels stuck | 21:45 |
| joeljwright | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/365371/ | 21:45 |
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| zaitcev | well, I saw the review but I have no idea what it's for and how it works. I'll have a look, I guess. | 21:45 |
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| joeljwright | zaitcev: thanks | 21:46 |
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| joeljwright | it's for building containers (like tar) around data without storing tiny objects in the SLO manifest | 21:46 |
| joeljwright | thanks to anyone who looks :) | 21:46 |
| mattoliverau | I'm getting up to speed on the new job etc. But hope to be more available soon :) | 21:47 |
| acoles | Christian's review is positive | 21:47 |
| acoles | let's try to get some more review on this for joeljwright | 21:48 |
| joeljwright | acoles: thanks! | 21:48 |
| rledisez | joeljwright: i should be missing something, but i'm wondering what is the advantage over a middleware that would generate the tar on-the-fly based on a requested list of objects. is that because the list is stored in the swift cluster? | 21:48 |
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| torgomatic | rledisez: if nothing else, it's more general. A middleware that generates a tarball can only generate tarballs; this one can be made to produce tar archives, zip archives, or other sorts of things | 21:50 |
| timburke | torgomatic: according to joeljwright, zip is...problematic | 21:50 |
| joeljwright | well, it would be a lot less problematic if we had crc's in the metadata ;) | 21:51 |
| torgomatic | ok, zip is a bad example then... but you could concatenate audio/video files in cooperating formats | 21:51 |
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| zaitcev | any archive that splits up objects into blocks will not be expressed with just preambles | 21:51 |
| joeljwright | torgomatic: that's one of the other examples I've been trying to find time to look into | 21:51 |
| rledisez | so the use case is to be able to access part individually and also "grouped" together. right? | 21:51 |
| joeljwright | preambles + postambles + range requests would work though zaitcev | 21:51 |
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| joeljwright | rledisez: yes that's one use case | 21:53 |
| joeljwright | it's also useful to have the pre-validation of SLO | 21:53 |
| joeljwright | so we know the tarball is the one we created | 21:53 |
| joeljwright | not some arbitrarilty changed data later dynamically made into a tar | 21:53 |
| zaitcev | Well, as long as it's limited to middleware... I'm really suspicious of these ad-hoc things. | 21:54 |
| rledisez | ok. i'm asking cause we are looking into dynamic archive construction on swift (zip for now). but it's different use case, so no overlap i think | 21:55 |
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| acoles | joeljwright: thanks for drawing attention to that patch | 21:56 |
| joeljwright | :) | 21:56 |
| acoles | anything else to raise before we end? | 21:56 |
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| acoles | ok. thanks everyone for being here. I'm calling 58 mins a 'short' meeting ;) | 21:58 |
| acoles | #endmeeting | 21:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 2 21:58:31 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-08-02-21.00.html | 21:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-08-02-21.00.txt | 21:58 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-08-02-21.00.log.html | 21:58 |
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