Wednesday, 2017-08-02

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zhiyuanhi joe01:00
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joehuang#startmeeting tricircle01:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Aug  2 01:01:26 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at
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joehuang#topic rollcall01:01
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joehuang#info joehuang01:01
zhiyuan#info zhiyuan01:02
RongHui11#info ronghui01:02
dongfeng#info dongfeng01:02
Yipei#info Yipei01:02
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joehuang#topic PTL nomination01:03
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joehuanghello, the PTL nomination is open01:03
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joehuangas I had announced in the weekly meeting and mail-list, I won't plan to run PTL for next cycle01:04
joehuangwe need more diversity of the community01:04
joehuangso I hope that someone else can step up and lead the community01:05
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zhiyuanI would like to have a try :)01:05
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joehuangthank you zhiyuan, and please follow the guide in the above link01:06
joehuangall of you can have a try :)01:06
joehuangplease be aware of the nomination deadline01:07
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joehuangexcept the file submitted to the repository, it's a tradition to send the self-nomination announcement to the mail-list01:07
joehuangand prepare for the challenge01:08
joehuangnext topic, pike-rc01:09
dimsgo zhiyuan !01:09
joehuang#topic pike-rc01:09
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joehuangto dims, we have submitted the patch for tricircle 3.4.0 release01:10
joehuangcould you help review the release patch,
joehuangthank you very much01:10
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dimsjoehuang : ack01:11
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joehuangthank you! dims01:11
zhiyuanwhat about the stable/pike branch? is it created automatically?01:11
joehuangafter 3.4.0 release is tagged successfully, we can start to do regression test for all features landed in pike01:11
zhiyuanor we need another patch later?01:12
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joehuangdon't understand your question, zhiyuan01:12
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joehuangstable/pike for tricircle will not be created now01:12
zhiyuani am asking when the stable/pike branch will be created01:13
joehuangafter regression test passed, we'll have 3.5.0 release on Aug.22 and with stable/pike branching01:13
zhiyuani see01:14
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joehuangso for now, we have arrive at the point of feature freeze01:14
joehuangand any feature wish to land in pike from now need to ask for RFE(request for exception)01:15
joehuangusually no feature will be allowed to be merged, only bug fix is allowed, for stability purpose01:16
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joehuangbut feature development can keep going, and once stable/pike is created, the window for new feature will be openned01:17
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joehuangany comment01:17
dongfenghow about adding pagination for job in tricircleclient ? I planned to add it to tricircleclient before aug 2201:17
joehuangyou can send one RFE in mail-list01:18
dongfengok, got it01:18
joehuangbut tricircleclient has been released01:18
joehuangso pagination support for job will be available in next release01:19
joehuangtricircleclient has been created with stable/pike.01:19
joehuangthe community schedule is to freeze client feature on milestone-301:19
joehuangone second01:20
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joehuangit's no RFE needed for tricircleclient, because the stable/pike has just been created on Monday by ttx01:21
dongfengI saw the your talk about tricircleclient, so finally tricircleclient got released?01:21
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dongfengthat's fine.01:22
joehuangJul 24 - Jul 28R-5Pike-3 milestone Feature freeze Final release for client libraries01:23
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joehuangquestion on the plan?01:24
dongfengAug. 1 to Aug .22 is time for regressing test ?01:26
dongfengregression test.01:26
dongfenggot it.01:27
joehuangthough most of features are covered by smoke test, it's encouraged to add more test cases to the smoke test01:27
joehuangand do manually test as far as possible01:28
zhiyuanyes, like test for trunk, I only define the tests for trunk create/delete01:28
joehuangonce you find some bug, fix it and add new test cases to cover the case01:28
zhiyuanneed to test add/delete subport01:28
joehuangand test cases enhancement will be reviewed and approved quickly01:29
joehuang#topic feature development01:30
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joehuanghello, is there something to share for feature development?01:31
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RongHui11For the QoS, has not passed the gate-tricircle-dsvm-multiregion-ubuntu-xenial-nv. Could you give us some help01:32
Yipeiadding instances from different subnet via neutron-lbaas api is ongoing, hopefully it can be delivered in next release01:32
zhiyuanto ronghui, you are still struggling on the configuration loading problem?01:36
RongHui11and try some method but still failure01:37
zhiyuanok, will take some time to look at it01:41
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RongHui11thank you so much01:41
joehuangI think we need to submit a patch to make the gate-tricircle-dsvm-multiregion-ubuntu-xenial-nv as voting job01:41
joehuangcurrently this job is non-voting job, so verified ok doesn't mean it pass all test01:42
joehuanggate-tricircle-dsvm-multiregion-ubuntu-xenial-nv is much more stable, so we can turn it into voting job01:42
RongHui11agree with it01:43
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joehuang#action make gate-tricircle-dsvm-multiregion-ubuntu-xenial-nv being voting job01:44
joehuang#open discussion01:44
joehuangother topic?01:44
zhiyuanwhat about adding coverage test at the same time?01:45
zhiyuanit's also non-voting job01:45
joehuanggood proposal01:45
joehuang#action convert coverage test as voting job too01:45
dongfengthen It's more difficult to commit codes. I remember I change the coverage rate when coverage test fails in tricircleclient.01:46
joehuangI found that meher from orange has succeeded in installation of two node tricircle01:46
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zhiyuanto dongfeng, yes, so you need to add test for your newly-added code01:47
joehuangcoverage is to guarantee the code being tested as far as possible01:47
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dongfeng:), yes, I willl01:48
joehuangnext weekly meeting, we may begin to prepare the next cycle, so how about talk about the PTG for next cycle01:49
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dongfengthat's fine.01:50
joehuangand our weekly meeting time slot is not friendly for European contributor, it's also a good topic01:50
joehuangI am sure Meher is based in France.01:51
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joehuangother topic01:51
RongHui11no for me01:52
zhiyuanno for me01:52
Yipeino for me01:52
dongfengno for me01:52
joehuangok, let's end the meeting01:52
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gongysh#startmeeting tacker04:30
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gongysh #topic roll call04:31
gongyshtung_doan, YanXing_an welcome04:31
YanXing_anHi, tung_doan04:31
tung_doangongysh: YanXing_an: hi04:31
tung_doanphuoc_: are you there? :)04:31
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YanXing_anWelcome, phuoc_04:33
gongyshit seems we have to be used to 3 men party.04:33
tung_doangongysh: we can start anyway gongysh :)04:33
gongysh#topic bp04:34
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tung_doangongysh: could you please help bring vnffg-scaling to pike?
tung_doangongysh: thanks04:34
tung_doanphuoc_: YanXing_an and me will try to bring it to pike04:34
gongyshtung_doan, I have no other minus comments on it.04:36
tung_doangongysh: thanks :)04:37
gongyshI have give +2 on it, YanXing_an, YanXing_an will be allowed to put +2 after this meeting.04:37
gongyshAnd I will propose tung_doan  too.04:37
YanXing_antung_doan, I saw your comment04:37
tung_doani will ping dharmendra to receive his +204:37
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gongyshtung_doan, how is the healing spec going?04:38
gongyshis there coding?04:38
tung_doangongysh: I am trying to support mutiple actions in this patch:
tung_doanmultiple actions mean "scaling and notify"04:39
tung_doanit worked well now. After this patch merged, i will update healing patch:
tung_doangongysh: thanks for proposal. I will try with my best effort to make Tacker move forward04:40
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gongyshYanXing_an please help tung_doan to put the healing and scale of vnffg forward.04:41
gongyshI will join the review.04:41
gongyshYanXing_an,  what is the progress of ns with vnffg?04:42
YanXing_anGongysh, ok04:42
tung_doanYanXing_an: yep. will need your cares in scaling part04:42
tung_doanYanXing_an: thanks04:42
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tung_doangongysh: YanXing_an: probably i will upload scaling patch in the early of next week04:42
YanXing_angongysh, I am reading the spec patch, and will try to make it merged firstly04:43
gongyshYanXing_an, ok.04:43
gongysh#topic codings04:44
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tung_doangongysh: need your review in this patch:
tung_doangongysh: it seems to be important for our new features. Thanks04:45
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gongyshtung_doan, ok04:45
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gongyshDharmendra has agreed to work on mistral action policies04:46
phuoc_gongysh, I need you review too04:46
gongyshbut it seems he has not being working on it.04:46
tung_doangongysh: phuoc_ 's patch is the rest of inline support for vnffgd and nsd04:47
tung_doangongysh: could you pls review in his patch? Thanks04:47
gongyshtung_doan sure04:48
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gongysh#topic open discussion04:51
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gongyshdo you have something to talk?04:51
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phuoc_I want to contrubute to migrate container to Tacker04:52
YanXing_anWhat's the link of Q PTG etherpad04:52
phuoc_do we have plan for it04:52
gongyshphuoc_, that's fine.04:53
tung_doanphuoc_: probably you need to ping janki. Containerized VNFs need more works04:53
tung_doanphuoc_: we need to run from now on so that CVNFs can keep up with the next release04:54
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YanXing_angongysh, ok, it's time to think about what we should do in future04:56
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gongyshphuoc_, you can register it in ehterpad04:58
phuoc_Should I put this topic to agenda?04:59
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gongyshphuoc_, sure, thanks04:59
phuoc_ok, I got it04:59
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gongyshif there are no other stuff, lets back to coding, and review.05:00
gongyshthanks for your efforts.05:00
tung_doangongysh: YanXing_an: in order to make our project popular, i think we need some proposals to work closely with other projects like opnfv or even onap05:00
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gongyshtung_doan, I think trinath is doing it. and also we should pay attention to it.05:02
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oneswig#startmeeting scientific_wg11:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Aug  2 11:00:13 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at
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martial_Hello all :)11:02
oneswigHello \o/11:03
oneswig#link agenda for today is
oneswiggreetings all!  Who said that nothing happens in Europe in August :-)11:03
oneswigBlair is in transit currently and may / may not attend.  If he makes it, he mentioned he had an update on his THP fragmentation issues11:03
oneswigMartial, you there?11:03
oneswigOK, lets get going11:03
oneswig#chair martial_11:03
oneswiggood morning Martial11:03
oneswig#topic Workload tracing on Chameleon11:03
openstackCurrent chairs: martial_ oneswig11:03
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oneswigBTW I am on a train, am likely to go through some long dark tunnels ... apologies in advance11:03
oneswigpriteau: you have the floor11:03
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priteauThanks oneswig11:03
priteauI would like to provide an update on our cloud traces work11:03
martial_#chair b1airo11:04
openstackCurrent chairs: b1airo martial_ oneswig11:04
oneswigHi Blair you made it11:04
b1airoHi oneswig, hi priteau11:04
b1airoHi martial_11:04
priteauThe idea is to provide something similar to the Parallel Workloads Archive or Grid Workloads Archive11:04
b1airoJust made it. Not sure I'll last long to be honest - already in bed...11:04
masberhi all, sorry to bother I am new here, the reason I joined this meeting is because I am planing to support our hpc system on openstack and was wondering whether this was a good place to ask those questions?11:04
oneswigpriteau: can you describe what these do and why they are useful?11:04
priteauThese focus on HPC cluster and grids rather than clouds11:04
b1airoWelcome masber !11:04
oneswigmasber: you've come to the right place :-)11:05
masberthank you11:05
priteauThey provide data about all the jobs that have been run on some infrastructures. They can be used by researchers to simulate workloads that match reality.11:05
priteauIt can be particularly useful for e.g. a researcher working on job scheduling11:05
b1airoIf I recall correctly those existing archives are mainly used in scheduling research11:06
oneswigkind of like imix for network packets?  (a sample of random internet frames)11:06
priteauoneswig: I didn't know Imix, but yes it looks similar in another context11:06
b1airoBut I think you and Kate were lookin for richer data than just instance requests?11:06
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priteauexcept that IMIX might only be providing a distribution of packets, rather than actual headers11:07
oneswigpriteau: feasibly - seen but not used it. Carry on :-)11:08
priteaub1airo: eventually yes, I think it could be combined with telemetry data. We started with just instance requests for now.11:08
b1airomasber: briefly, this is our group meeting time. We typically have an agenda (posted to the mailing list prior) that includes any other business and discussion time towards the end. But there is also a dedicated channel where we can chat anytime11:09
oneswigpriteau: is this formed from nova notifications or something higher-level?11:09
priteauWe've defined a data format which is heavily based on the structure of the Nova database11:09
priteauIt's at version 0.1 so it may change in the future depending on feedback11:10
johnthetubaguypriteau: I am curious why the DB format and not the API format?11:10
b1airoImpressive domain name11:10
masberb1airo, yes I don't want to hijack the meeting, would you mind sharing the channel I can use to ask my questions?11:10
priteaujohnthetubaguy: I would assume that they're quite similar, but I will check11:11
johnthetubaguypriteau: the API format is a public API contract, the DB changes quite a lot, in general anyways11:11
priteauGood point11:11
priteauBasically it's using data from instance_actions_events joined with data from the instances table11:12
oneswigpriteau: what are you looking for in the data you're collecting?11:12
b1airomasber: #scientific-wg11:12
johnthetubaguypriteau: actually the notification have some versions, so maybe what b1airo said is a better option11:12
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priteauoneswig: All events associated with all instances running on a cloud deployment11:12
priteauHopefully enough for a researcher to analyze and simulate the same kind of activity11:13
johnthetubaguypriteau: the idea being you can re-run them to see if your job scheduling is better, etc, etc?11:13
johnthetubaguyah, that is a yes then11:13
priteaujohnthetubaguy: Yes, that's the idea11:13
martial_priteau: pretty impressive :)11:14
oneswigpriteau: what's interesting here is that chameleon is bare metal.  I'm interested to compare this with the usage of a virtualised resource - for scalability considerations11:14
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priteauoneswig: Actually we've only provided a trace from our KVM cloud so far:
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oneswigI guess also Chameleon users are a fairly unique bunch, who may be hard to characterize11:15
priteauWe thought it may be more representative and would cover more instance events (such as migration)11:15
oneswigpriteau: I'll not download that right now or the entire train network will go down :-)11:15
priteauit's only 6 MB zipped, barely more than a modern webpage ;-)11:16
johnthetubaguyyeah, on a UK train, that might take everyone out11:16
oneswigpriteau: What are you using to visualise your data?  (please say grafana diagram :-)11:16
oneswigjohnthetubaguy: thinking of alternative expansions of GWR now...11:17
priteauoneswig: We haven't done visualization from these traces, but the student who worked on this is using Grafana for another project related to experiment visualization11:17
oneswigFrom here, I wonder if it is not too many steps to visualise notification data coming from a live system11:18
priteauIt's still work in progress, but since the student is leaving soon we wanted to release a trace and format to request feedback11:18
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b1airojohnthetubaguy: I agree it'd certainly be better if we could do this with the APIs and/or notifications11:18
priteauOne question we have is whether folks are interested by high or low-level OpenStack events. For example, an action like “migrate” is composed of four separate action events: cold_migrate, compute_prep_resize, compute_resize_instance, and compute_finish_resize.11:19
priteauActions that we saw in our KVM cloud are: create/delete, start/stop, reboot, rebuild, migrate, live-migration, suspend/resume, resize/confirmResize, and pause/unpause.11:19
b1airoProblem with notifications is it essentially means needing a trace service for capturing, whereas I imagine most admins would be happier doing once off dumps11:19
oneswigpriteau: most interesting for me is the hierarchical connection of an instigating API reuqest and the sub-events generated.  The level of detail's like a fractal, perhaps11:19
johnthetubaguythere are two ways to look at this I think (1) measure how long each thing took (2) use it for reply11:20
oneswigb1airo: don't ceilometer and stacktach do that?11:20
johnthetubaguyyeah for reply, don't need as many events recorded11:20
simon-AS5591b1airo: Personally as an operator I wouldn't mind setting up a notification collector if it seems safe to use and easy to set up.11:20
priteauoneswig: Have you looked at os-profiler?11:20
johnthetubaguystacktach would collect all the notifications for you, I guess ceilometer should11:20
priteauSorry, osprofiler11:20
oneswigpriteau: ah, knew I'd missed one.  Heard the name, like the face, never used it, alas11:21
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oneswigworks with rally, right?11:21
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johnthetubaguyos-profiler reads from ceilometer I think? by default11:21
johnthetubaguyalthough that may have changed11:21
priteauI think osprofiler can be used with Rally, but not necessarily11:21
priteaujohnthetubaguy: seems so:
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priteauSo I have noted the comments about using the API rather than DB access11:22
oneswigpriteau: do you think the format you've proposed could be generated through 'distillation' of notification objects, or are they too different?11:22
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priteauoneswig: I think it would be possible as long as the same data is available in the notification or via an extra Nova API query11:23
johnthetubaguyyou should be able to get it all from the notifications11:23
oneswigpriteau: I am not sure, all I know is that notifications are big.11:23
oneswigmight depend on what data you're doing the join for?11:24
priteauit's to have things like user_id, project_id, etc. on the same row11:24
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priteauBTW we anonymized fields like user_id in case Chameleon users didn't want their username to be shared (our KVM cloud is old and still using the LDAP backend for Keystone, which means that user_id == username)11:25
oneswigpriteau: you mentioned that your student is nearing completion of their placement.  What are the next steps for you/11:25
b1airoYes that step is going to be very important11:26
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priteauoneswig: We will release the code to extract this data and would like to see if bigger clouds could share their own traces11:26
priteauI think b1airo was interested to share NeCTAR data11:27
b1airoI wonder if those id fields could go through a non-reversable hash11:27
b1airoOr is that what you're doing already?11:27
johnthetubaguyb1airo: I think turbo-hipster from mikal tried to do some of this stuff in the past11:27
priteauI think we've used a SHA1. Obviously if you've got access to a rainbow table you might be able to reverse.11:28
b1airoAh yeah I remember that now you mention it johnthetubaguy11:28
priteauMaybe we should use scrypt?11:28
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b1airoTurbo-hipster was about capturing prod dbs for migration testing right? Is that still happening at all?11:29
priteauAre you talking about
johnthetubaguyyeah, it did a bit a anonamising data11:30
johnthetubaguyto allow folks to contribute their datasets11:31
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johnthetubaguyI think Rackspace gave their pre-prod dataset at one point11:31
priteauapparently fields are anonymised with
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johnthetubaguyits just there may be ideas in there worth borrowing11:32
oneswigThat's a great idea for improving the test coverage.11:32
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b1airopriteau: maybe worth trying it to see if the trace format can be fulfilled with a turbo-hipster dump?11:32
johnthetubaguythat did catch some upgrade bugs in the past11:32
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johnthetubaguyhmm, not sure about using its format11:33
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johnthetubaguyI would try the notification or similar format11:33
priteaub1airo: good idea. Do you know if the "variety of real-world databases" that turbo-hipster uses is freely available?11:34
johnthetubaguyI am not sure there is much variety in the end, maybe three DBs we ran the upgrade migrations on?11:34
johnthetubaguyI suspect they are too old now, but I would have to go dig to find out11:35
priteauIf they are big enough they may be interesting11:36
oneswigThis discussion is a good example of data gathered for one purpose taking on an entirely different one11:36
b1airoAnyway priteau, this is a good start. I'm sure I can convince Nectar Directorate to share an initial set11:36
priteaub1airo: Thanks. We need to do a bit of code cleanup first but I'll be in touch.11:37
johnthetubaguy+1 seems like a great start11:37
oneswigpriteau: thanks for sharing your work11:37
b1airoDon't be too fussy about it, we can patch/fix/comment code too as needed11:38
oneswigpriteau: btw, any progress on the Blazar UI?11:38
priteauoneswig: Thanks for allowing me :-)11:38
martial_pierre: any trace that can be analyzed?11:38
priteauoneswig: yes, it's in review, it should be merged by the end of the week!11:38
b1airoIs that in horizon?11:38
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priteaumartial_: what do you mean?11:39
oneswigpriteau: that's great, well done11:39
oneswigOK - few other items to cover, shall we move on?11:39
martial_well I looked at the website and listened to your presentation of the project, but now I am trying to see if we can draw comparables on the collected data11:39
priteaub1airo: yep,
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martial_pierre: we can take take outside of the meeting11:40
martial_stig: please go ahead11:40
oneswig#topic Update from Blair - THP11:41
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oneswigb1airo: why don't you fit in here11:41
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b1airoI would like to look at using Blazar in Nectar too, need to pick your brains at some stage so I can get a 1-pager together on what it might look like11:41
b1airoSure oneswig11:41
priteauI would love to help you with that11:42
b1airoI now have a repeatable test case that shows simply having a full pagecache before running a compute job can cause a 2-3x slowdown11:43
oneswigin the hypervisor?11:43
b1airoThe effect seems to be on both BM and VM, but VM emphasises it11:44
oneswigas in the 'cache' column in vmstat, 'Cached' in /proc/meminfo?11:44
martial_how memory heavy is that job?11:45
b1airoThis particular code (SIMPLE) is a CryoEM structural refinement thing. And I'm just using a Singularity container that is setup to run SIMPLE's built-in speed test11:45
oneswigWhat rune do you use to evict the page cache?11:45
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b1airoAnd that test only ends up using about 2GB of memory, but parallelises well on SMP11:46
b1airoIt is very memory heavy I believe, and has ill defined random access patterns11:47
b1airoI filled the pagecache by simply cat-ing a single file equal to VM ram size11:47
oneswigI wonder what quantity of memory amounts to a full TLB when using 4K pages.11:48
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b1airooneswig: very little11:48
b1airoTLBs are only a few thousand entries iirc11:48
oneswigThat's actually more than I thought11:48
martial_is it possible the cache is not local (would be strange but that slowdown is impressive)?11:49
oneswigSo 2GB random access memory patterns would totally kill it11:49
oneswigmartial_: you're thinking it would involve a write back to networked storage to evict dirty pages?11:49
b1airoThe problem appears to be that the Linux mm is for some reason not able to allocate THPs even when all the memory usage is cache and should be able to be dumped immediately11:50
priteaub1airo: are you using the default vm.swappiness value?11:50
martial_seems unlikely and not natural at all to me, but disk is not that slow11:50
b1airopriteau: no swap in guest at this stage, but I plan to investigate that as we have seen slub allocation problems and the reading I've been doing there makes me think the kernel allocator might still like having a teeny bit of swap around even if it doesn't really use it11:51
johnthetubaguyare you doing all the CPU pinning, NUMA passthrough, hugepages etc for the VM?11:52
oneswigb1airo: I wonder if THPs are allocated in a GFP_ATOMIC context, so cannot muck about with other page mappings in fear of a fault11:52
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oneswigb1airo: When are you going to write all this stuff up?11:53
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b1airooneswig: possibly, but I doubt it because normal behaviour is to defrag on fault in order to allocate a THP if possible11:54
oneswigb1airo: ah ok, thanks11:54
b1airooneswig: once I've made some decent graphs to pictorialise it11:55
oneswigdid perf help there?11:55
priteaub1airo: I was thinking about the settings on the host11:55
daveholland@blairo did you tweak zone_reclaim_mode at all?11:56
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daveholland(also the old-fashioned sysadmin in me agrees that having a bit of swap is no bad thing)11:56
b1airoActually still haven't done that as once I discovered this behaviour I figured inspecting guest vmstat was the better place to start11:56
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johnthetubaguyI wonder if you are switching THP too much, so smaller pages would be better, as they are quicker to read in?11:56
b1airodaveholland: was just about to say that - interestingly, turning on zone reclaim makes the problem go away (at least for this little test case)11:57
martial_I would second stig here on the 2GB random access on a THP pagecache, seems prone to slowdown even if it is simply jumps11:57
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oneswigTime call!11:58
b1airoWith zone reclaim on even after filling pagecache the kernel is keeping over 2GB free on my 8GB test VM11:58
davehollandblairo: we came to that via a user seeing soft lockups, (don't know if you need a RH account to view)11:58
b1airoBy the way, I've confirmed this in both centos7 (3.10 kernel) and with 4.12 from EPEL11:59
oneswigguest OS?11:59
b1airoThanks daveholland , will have a look (I do have a RH account)11:59
oneswigthought you ran Xenial in the hypervisor?11:59
martial_blair, take a look at that
b1airoUbuntu Trusty host with 4.4 kernel12:00
oneswigWe are out of time, alas.12:00
oneswigThanks b1airo, good update12:00
oneswighave to close now12:00
b1airoI did read that already martial_ ;-)12:00
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oneswigthanks all, until next time!12:01
martial_b1airo: darn that looked exactly like what you were desribing12:01
oneswigWe'll get through the agenda one day12:01
priteauThanks, bye everyone12:01
b1airoThanks all!12:02
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rhochmuth#startmeeting monasca14:00
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rhochmuthlooks like a small set of attendees today14:01
rhochmuth#topic EOL stable/mitaka for monasca-ceilometer14:02
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witekjoadavis: we are on your topic now14:03
joadavisgreat. :)14:03
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joadavisBasically, we should have all monasca-* services in line with EOL for mitaka.  for monasca-ceilometer, I think there is just an approval needed to proceed14:04
rhochmuthso it looks like you want to EOL stable/mitaka for monasca-ceilometer14:04
rhochmuthso, are you just looking for a +1 on the review14:05
joadavisyes, I think that is what is needed14:05
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joadavisaagate: Is there anything else?14:06
aagaterhochmuth: if you can reply to email that Andreas Jaeger sent that will be great cc: openstack-infra dist14:06
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aagateI think they want to make sure that PTL is fine with the change14:07
rhochmuthok, i was trying to find that in my email backlog, but will work on it after we close14:08
rhochmuthsorry for the delay14:08
aagaterhochmuth: np..thank you!14:09
rhochmuth#topic Review request for Monasca Cassandra DB integration initial proposal14:09
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jgugreat :-). we've completed the first phase of investigation and have a proposal drafted at:
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witekI have started reading, but I'm not through yet14:10
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jguthe metric upsert and read query seem to be reasonable in our testing. Upsert ranges from 80k to 250k per second with a single Java client on a two node cluster.14:12
rhochmuthok, i'm going to have to read this off-line too14:12
jgurhochmuth and Witek: that'd great. We need help to poke holes in it :-).14:13
joadavisIt is an impressive amount of work Jgu and team have been doing, and I hope it can be of benefit to the monasca community.  More reviews will be appreciated.14:13
witekhave you tested query perf with lots of different metric/dimension combinations?14:14
jgunot like we have not got help Roland and Joel already :-)14:14
jguwitek: are you asking about the read queries?14:14
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rhochmuthyeah, me reading this now is not helping14:16
jguwe tested the read queries with some combinations. and they all seem to be very fast, because all based on the full Cassandra partition key(s).14:16
rhochmuthit will take a while to digest14:16
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rhochmuthare you doing any buffering?14:16
rhochmuthare you doing any compression?14:17
jguwitek: anything specific combinations you are concerned about?14:17
witekjust a number of unique metrics/dimensions14:17
jgurhochmuth: no we have not tested with compression yet. it's said compression won't impact write.14:19
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jguwitek: you mean a large number of unique metrics in the measurement query?14:19
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witekyes, the query which results in many unique metrics across partitions14:21
jguthere are a couple of caveats in the model: the measurement query becomes a two stage query. First find the metric ids by metric name and dimension combinationl then query measurements with time criteria in the measurement table.14:22
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jgualso query metric name by dimensions needs a client side join. since we have limited number of metric names (~600?), the client side join in Java code won't be too bad.14:23
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jguwitek: the measurement table partition is per metric id, so we are still search by partition keys using the IN operator when there are a number of unique metric/dimension combinations.14:25
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jguIN operator has an upper limit of 65k, but hope our user won't query for measurements for that many unique metrics at one time?14:25
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jguRoland and Witek: should I set up an "offline" meeting with you and others interested?14:28
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rhochmuthi would like to just review off-line first14:29
witekIt would be great14:29
rhochmuthso, can we end the meeting today14:29
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witekrbrndt was also involved in the initial investigation14:30
jguyes for me :-)14:30
rhochmuthright, ryan brandt14:30
jguI'll forward it to Ryan.14:30
jguhe is already here :-)14:30
jguthanks Roland, Witke and Ryan14:31
rhochmuthok, i'm going to end this meeting14:31
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parus#startmeeting massively_distributed_clouds14:59
openstackMeeting started Wed Aug  2 14:59:23 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is parus. Information about MeetBot at
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parusHi Jamecc15:00
dpertinHi o/15:00
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samPHi o/15:00
parusLet's give it a minute for people to join.15:00
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jamemccsamP has joined for the topic of LCOO-Extreme Testing initiative and any overlap to our work here and possibly ENOS15:01
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parusLet's get started15:01
samPjamemcc: thx15:02
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jamemccHe had joined 2 meetings ago at my request but we didn't get to him.  Past midnight for Sampath.  Thank you Sampath.15:02
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parusAdrien is on vacation today..... so I will be chairing.15:03
jamemccThank you15:03
paruswe can put samP early in the agenda.15:03
parusIs there any other request for the agenda?15:03
parusLet's start with announcements.15:04
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parus#topic announcements15:04
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parusAbout opendev. Afew of us are confirmed.15:04
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parusPlease put your name on the etherpad if you would be attending.15:05
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parusWe are trying to have a face to face meeting for those will be attending on september 6th.15:05
parusMoving on.15:06
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parusThere was a note from Adrien about new people from Ericsson wanting to participate.15:06
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parusIf there are any new members in attendance today, this is a good time to introduce yourself.15:07
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parusLet's move to first topic.15:08
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parus#topic LCOO-Extreme15:08
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samPHi, I'm Sampath from NTT15:08
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samP^^ This is the userstory for extreme testing.15:09
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samPThere I propose to add integration testing, component interface testing,15:09
samPoperational acceptance testing, destructive testing, concurrent testing,15:09
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samPperformance testing, etc..15:09
samPAs a part of our work, we started from destructive testing.15:10
samPHere is the link for QA spec of destructive testing,15:10
parusIs Massively Distributed part of the scope?15:11
samPparus: At the time, it was not15:11
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parusAre you actually doing the testing, or just specifying what tests to run?15:12
samPparus: Now we are doing it by our self. Goal of this proposal is to propose common framework for those testing15:13
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parusI can see this is interesting for this team.15:14
parusDo you have any suggestions on what next steps would be?15:14
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samPparus: we are now discussing about test architecture and other sub topics15:15
samPparus: let me find the link...15:15
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parussamP: From a FEMDC perspectivem I believe there are slightly different tests that could be run.15:16
parussamP: destructive is part of the scope... but we are really at the stage where we are trying to understand what the architecture options are that willl enable to scale well.15:16
samP#link Task List and current Status
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samPparus: got it. we can include that POV as well.15:18
parussamP: is there representation from this team in your meetings?15:18
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samPparus: NO,currently only 3 of us in VoIP15:19
jamemccNext team meeting is in Mexico City at the Ops Meetup15:20
samPjamemcc: thanks15:20
jamemccBut the subsequent week 8/16 there shoudl be a VOIP call15:20
samPand we proposed a session in Ops Meetup at Mexico15:20
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parusIs there anyone from this team attending the Ops Meetup?15:21
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parusjamecc: can you be the link between the groups?15:23
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samPI can announce our next VoIP details to your ML  [FEMDC]15:23
samPjamemcc: sorry.. go ahead15:23
parusGreat. thanks15:23
jamemccBoth are good15:23
parus#action samP to announce next meeting15:24
samPparus: jamemcc: sure, thanks15:24
parus#action jamecc to act as link between groups.15:24
parusLEt's move to next topic.15:24
parus#topic AMQP alternatives15:24
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samPparus: thanks15:24
parusIs there any update?15:25
kgiustiHi - I've been working on a critical oslo bug15:25
kgiustithat affects alternative backends.15:25
kgiustibasically breaks nova cells15:25
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kgiustiRabbitmq is not affected, but all the others (zeromq, amqp1, kafka) are15:25
kgiustiI think I have a fix for amqp1 - in progress.15:26
kgiustiBut...  I have no idea how to fix this for the remaining backends15:26
kgiustiWe'll esp. need help for zeromq.15:26
kgiustiOtherwise, ansmith is making progress on kolla ansible15:27
kgiustisee epad line 102115:27
kgiustithats all I have this week.15:27
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parusthanks for the update.15:28
msimonin1one thing from my side15:28
msimonin1regarding amqp alternatibe15:28
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msimonin1During last performance WG meeting I suggest to formalize the test plan and result in the performace team documentation15:29
msimonin1It's a place that centralized a lot of perf. evaluation of OpenStack15:29
msimonin1what do you think kgiusti, ansmith ?15:30
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kgiustimsimonin1: YES!!!15:30
kgiustiBy all means these tests should be part of that.15:31
msimonin1ok :)15:31
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kgiustiOtherwise I suspect they won't have the exposure to upstream projects that are focused on rabbitmq solely15:31
msimonin1yes I agree15:32
kgiustiSo what was the reaction of the perf WG?15:32
parusSo what is the action?15:32
msimonin1I can start to formalize except if kgiusti want to :)15:33
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parus#action msimonin1 to formalize test plan and resultsso it fits the format of the performance team15:34
msimonin1parus: ack15:34
kgiustimsimonin1: want to start an email thread about your thoughts on this?15:34
kgiustiUnless you already have something to propose...15:34
parusLet's take this to mailing list and  move to next topic15:35
parus#topic cockroachdb15:35
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parusany update to discuss here?15:35
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paruswe have 25 min left.15:35
msimonin1no update from my side15:36
parusLet's move to use cases then15:36
msimonin1rcherrueau is on vacation let's wait for him15:36
parus#topic UseCase discussion15:36
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dsantoroWe started to add some motivation why we prefer to have k8s on top of OpenStack in slide 1515:36
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dsantoromoreover I've just replied to a couple of comments in slides 16 and 8 from Paul-André15:37
parusThank you for that.15:37
dsantoroWe slightly modified the 3rd use-case. It will be about car tracking with plate recognition instead of people tracking via WiFi probes15:38
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dsantoroFrom our side next steps are i) to explore ENOS to deploy an OpenStack instance in our Lab in order to be able to test our uses cases on top of it once they will be ready (lead by my colleague Daniele Pizzolli) and ii) start the implementation of the use-cases, lead by me.15:39
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msimonin1dsantoro: don't hesitate to ping us regarding EnOs if needed15:39
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dsantoroI will also update the slides to put clearer the network connection between edge and central cloud (as requested last time from adrien)15:40
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dsantorosure, we are completing the setup of hardware, probably starting from next week Daniele Pizzolli will ask help (if needed). thanks a lot15:40
parus#action dsantoro to update slides15:40
parus#action dsantoro to explore ENOS and reach out to msimonin1 if needed15:41
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parusdsantoro: Beyond creation of VM are you going to be looking at other lifecyle functions15:41
paruse.g.: maybe a destructive use case?15:42
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dsantoro@parus: can you please clarify ?15:42
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parusWell in your deck you did mention link failure as one important aspect.15:43
dsantoroYes of course in the 3rd UC we would like to isolate the edge node simulating a link failure between central cloud and edge node15:43
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parusThanks. Regarding my deck. Jamecc and I have been in contact to try to validate some of the assumptions.15:44
parusWe have had one offline discussion and we are planning more.15:45
dsantorothe application running on the edge node will save data locally, then later, when the connection will be up again data will be transitted back to the persitent storage in the cloud node15:45
parusOne key question is also regarding backhaul links and their capacity.15:45
parusjamecc: do you want to comment further?15:45
jamemccI will put some time into trying to incorprate more of the 5G and Telco Fog Edge needs taht came out of the Boston presenation into our deck.15:45
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parusthank you. Should I capture that as an action?15:46
jamemccI also agreed to try to blow out some of the Control Plan Use Cases on slide 1515:46
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parus#action jamecc to incorporate 5G and Telco Fog Edge needs Use cases15:47
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parus#action jamecc to work on Control plane use cases15:47
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parusThank you!15:47
parusAny other comments or inputs?15:48
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parus#topic open Discussion15:48
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paruswe have a few minutes left. Is there anything else?15:49
parusI propose we adjourn early then.15:49
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msimonin1thanks parus for chairing15:50
parusThank you all15:50
jamemccThank you Paul-Andre - good leading15:50
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smcginnis#startmeeting Cinder16:00
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geguileohi! o/16:00
_pewp_jungleboyj (^o^)/16:01
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_pewp_hemna \( ・_・)16:01
smcginnisHey all. Just waiting a couple minutes for fols to join.16:02
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diablo_rojo_phonHello :)16:02
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smcginnis#topic Announcements16:03
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smcginnisWe are now past Feature Freeze, Soft String Freeze, and client freeze.16:04
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smcginnisSo really we should just be focusing on bug fixes at this point and testing to make sure there are no regressions or critical things leading up to RC.16:04
lhx_sorry, what's soft string?16:05
geguileosmcginnis: I think our client's noauth using env variables is broken btw (have to double check)   :-(16:05
smcginnislhx_: It means we should not change any translatable strings (e.g. _('Exception message')) unless we absolutely have to.16:06
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smcginnisSo the string freeze is to allow the i18n team a chance to catch up on translations before the release.16:06
lhx_smcginnis, okay :)16:06
smcginnisgeguileo: We had a --profile change merge for the client. Could it have been that?16:06
smcginnisI could have sworn it had been working.16:06
smcginnisMaybe we need a job that tests that now that we have a few things using it.16:07
smcginnisAnd it seems to break often.16:07
hemnageguileo, it was working at one point16:07
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geguileosmcginnis: yup, I agree on everything you've said16:07
geguileoMaybe it's my bad and I was using old code16:07
geguileoWill double check16:07
smcginnisgeguileo: Well, if it's deemed critical we can ask for an exception, otherwise we may need to wait until after the freeze before we can get a fix out there.16:08
smcginnis#link Review focus16:08
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smcginnisI plan to go through that today. ^^16:08
geguileoI'll check and open a bug if it's really broken16:08
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smcginnisgeguileo: +116:08
smcginnisI think we made good progress through most of it. Anything else I will retarget or revert as needed.16:09
smcginnis#link PTG info16:09
hemnashouldn't all of the unmerged specs get pushed out?16:09
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smcginnishemna: Yep, anything still under the Pike folder that has not merged should be updated to go under queens.16:10
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smcginnisLink above has a lot of good info for the PTG.16:10
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smcginnisRegister if you plan on going as soon as you can.16:10
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hemnanot going this time.16:10
smcginnisIf you need travel support, there are a few more days left to apply for that.16:10
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smcginnishemna: Really? I was hoping with the new job that would make it better.16:11
hemnayah, other stuff has come up, plus the entry fee and travel and all.16:11
* jungleboyj is sad16:11
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* hemna is bummed16:12
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  Talked to hemna  about this last night.  I will work out streaming so he can join virtually.16:12
e0nehemna: :(16:12
jgriffithhemna just come out for a fishing trip then :)16:12
smcginnis#link Planning etherpad for PTG16:12
smcginnisWell, whether you can go or not, please add any topics we should discuss to the etherpad.16:13
smcginnisAnd add your name so we know who is going.16:13
* lhx_ done16:13
smcginnisEven if you are unsure, just note that next to your name so we know.16:13
smcginnislhx_: ;)16:13
smcginnisNot a lot of topics out there so far, but I think we had the same thing last time.16:14
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smcginnisWe do plan on going through Friday, but if we run out of things to discuss we can always do a hack day or try to work on some cross project items.16:14
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tommylikehu50% percents topics are from jungleboyj16:15
smcginnisjungleboyj: Want to add a topic to give us a little education on docs there?16:15
jungleboyjsmcginnis: DocsMan Away!16:15
smcginnistommylikehu: Now he's going to be more than 50%. :D16:16
tommylikehusmcginnis:  :)16:16
lhx_tommylikehu, hah, 2/3 is real :D16:16
smcginnisIt's the jungleboyj show. :)16:16
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smcginnisStart thinking about Sydney too.16:17
smcginnisSwanson: A little tardy today.16:17
* jungleboyj can't be a one man show. ;-)16:18
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smcginnisAnyone know for sure they are going to Sydney?16:18
jungleboyjOk I have added the topic.  People, please add questions if you have them.16:18
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_pewp_jungleboyj \(-_- )16:18
_alastor_I'll be there16:18
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diablo_rojo_phonI'll be there ;)16:19
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smcginnisOK, at least a few of us then.16:19
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smcginnis#topic Open Discussion16:20
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patrickeastI'll be around in Sydney16:20
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smcginnisNothing else on the agenda. Anyone have anything else to discuss?16:20
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hemnaok so what are we still merging at this point?16:20
hemnajust bug fixes?16:20
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smcginnishemna: That really should be it.16:21
hemnaok cool.   just wanted to be clear16:21
jungleboyjhemna: ++16:21
smcginnisUnless there is something important we decide to let through yet.16:21
* lhx_ raise hand16:21
jungleboyjAnd doc changes.16:21
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smcginnislhx_: Did you have something?16:21
lhx_could the drbd driver be used in product?16:22
smcginnisjungleboyj: Any more docs changes outstandign?16:22
smcginnislhx_: You mean as far as packaged into a product that is sold?16:22
lhx_anyone knows?16:22
jungleboyjsmcginnis: Yes, been pulled off to other stuff this week so it has slowed a bit.16:22
jungleboyjMore that we should get in before Pike is cut.16:22
smcginnisjungleboyj: OK, I'll watch for them.16:22
clarkbcinder consistently shows up in as resetting the gate due to unittest failures16:22
clarkbwould be great if cinder could look into that16:23
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smcginnisLast I looked they were all different random stuff.16:23
geguileoclarkb: is there a bug for that?16:23
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hemnaI only see 2 in that list16:23
smcginnisIf anyone can spend some time going through that and looking for issues, might be a good way to mine for bug fixes. ^^16:23
clarkbgeguileo: no someone has to look into it and determine what bugs they are and possibly add e-r signature16:24
lhx_smcginnis, I meant to ingrate drbd with lvm in product environment16:24
clarkbgeguileo: this is the we have failures but don't know what the bugs are list.16:24
geguileoclarkb: But the bug report could be just what you said, that it's reseting it16:24
hemnathe cinder tox issue in that list is a failure to communicate with the ubuntu mirror for apt update.16:24
geguileoclarkb: OK16:24
clarkbgeguileo: no we don't want that kind of bug its unspecific, instead we generate a list of the failures for you to help you dig in and find specifics16:25
clarkbgeguileo: basically this tool fills that use case, not the bug tracker16:25
geguileoclarkb: OK, thanks16:26
smcginnis#info Elastic recheck info could use someone looking through errors for bugs16:27
smcginnisAnything else for today?16:27
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hemnaeach of those py27 failures are different16:28
smcginnishemna: That's what I saw last I looked. Not sure if there's anything more than random failures out there.16:29
hemnaa few are _notify events16:29
smcginnisWe do still have a notifier issue.16:29
hemnabut for different parts16:29
hemnaso...not sure16:29
smcginnishemna: Ha, yep.16:29
tommylikehuhemna:  hah, notify events ..16:29
smcginnisWe need to find a better way to handle that I think.16:29
smcginnisOK, if there is nothing else for the meeting we can get back over to -cinder.16:30
clarkbconsidering that its three different cinder jobs and almost no other project even shows up on the list I doubt its random16:30
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clarkb(noav and neutron have like 3 fails total in unittests and that looks like it for unittests)16:31
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lhx_I just want to know if anyone used this driver?16:31
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smcginnislhx_: Yes, linbit maintains it and there is a CI job that runs for it.16:32
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smcginnisOK, thanks everyone.16:32
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lhx_smcginnis, thanks, will ping him16:33
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johnsom#startmeeting Octavia17:00
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johnsomHi folks17:00
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johnsomI'm going to get things rolling while folks show up.  Lots of announcements today17:00
johnsom#topic Announcements17:00
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johnsomPTL nominations are open17:01
johnsomSee the above link for information on the nomination process.17:01
johnsomThe queens PTG is September 11-15th in Denver.17:01
rm_mobileI nominate johnsom!17:02
johnsomI have setup a planning etherpad here:17:02
johnsomrm_mobile Well, I think you *can* do that17:02
johnsomThough I don't have info from my employer yet on whether they will support me in another round.17:03
johnsomFor the PTG, please sign up on the etherpad if you will be attending.  The foundation is trying to pick room sizes for teams and would like an estimate of the folks that will be in the Octavia room.17:04
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johnsomAlso, if you have other topics we should discuss, please feel free to add it to the list.17:04
johnsomOur next milestone is the RC1 release scheduled for the week of August 7th.17:05
johnsomWe should strive to have any critical bugs in by then if we can.17:06
johnsomAlso, in case you missed the announcements, voting for sessions in Sydney has started.17:06
johnsomVote early, vote often...17:06
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johnsomEven if you aren't going, you can vote for sessions you are interested in watching on YouTube after the summit.17:07
johnsomWe did release Pike-3 last week, so we are on track with the release schedule.17:08
johnsomAlso of note, I have marked us complete for one of the two community goals for queens:17:08
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xgerman_I did some OSA stuff:17:08
johnsomAny other announcements?17:09
xgerman_Enabling our V2 API in there17:09
xgerman_please comment17:09
xgerman_and then the terraform provider for LBaaS had issues:
xgerman_in case somebody is using that stuff ;-)17:10
johnsom#topic Brief progress reports / bugs needing review17:10
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johnsomxgerman_  Cool stuff getting the v2 API setup as an option for OSA17:11
johnsomWhat was up with the timeouts?  Not waiting long enough for nova to boot?17:11
jnieszos the default option is to have neutron pass through to the octavia v2 api?17:11
xgerman_they are just crazy — amde them more sane17:11
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xgerman_I assumed standalone..17:12
johnsomjniesz The proxy plugin for neutron hasn't merged yet and could use some reviews:17:12
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johnsomYeah, standalone makes sense for the octavia role.  The proxy option should be part of neutron or neutron-lbaas role I would think.17:13
xgerman_they all need to play nice together17:14
xgerman_since I wanted to introduce that change I ahven;t done the full swoop17:15
johnsomI was out for a family reunion for a couple of days, so not a lot of progress to report other than the Pike-3 release and some reviews.17:15
johnsomI'm hoping to get back to the failover API patch this week.  Also still have some docs migration patches to do, most notably, neutron-lbaas.17:16
johnsomI will also do a bug scrub today/tomorrow to make sure we have those cleaned up for Pike.  We made a bunch of progress17:16
johnsomAny other updates from folks?17:16
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johnsomI know Jude has started on our tempest plugin, yeah!17:17
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JudeCYep its coming along17:17
jnieszjohnsom how close do you think we are with the flavor spec getting merged?17:17
johnsomCool, I hope to have a look soon.17:17
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JudeCMuch appreciated :)17:18
johnsomjniesz I think it is in good shape.  We need to get some reviews logged on this revision.17:18
jnieszyea, I saw you made the fixes17:18
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johnsomYeah, really it is just waiting on getting some reviews17:19
johnsom(there are none at the moment)17:19
johnsomRemember, everyone can and should review.  It's not just up to the cores....17:20
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rm_workah speaking of:
rm_workthat is a really annoying one and would love to get some reviews/testing on that17:20
rm_workah, i see it needs a unit test :P17:21
rm_workk i'll do that ASAP17:21
johnsomYeah, we were looking at that yesterday.  I think it's a good fix, needs a unit test, but should help the member status be super accurate.17:21
johnsom#topic Mascot17:22
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johnsomSo the artists came back after our request to make the number of feathers eight17:22
rm_workI like it17:22
johnsomAny additional comments or can I lock this in with the foundation?17:23
sanfernI like it too17:23
johnsomI think we are good to go myself17:23
jnieszlooks a lot better17:23
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johnsomOk, unless I hear some negative feedback, I will e-mail the foundation that we are happy with this version.17:24
xgerman_we all need stickers ;-)17:24
johnsomExcellent.  Yeah, we should be able to have stickers for the PTG and Sydney.17:25
johnsom#topic Open Discussion17:25
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johnsomOk, any other topics for today?17:25
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johnsomI would really appreciate some reviews this week.  We have L3 Act/Act spec and flavors spec open still.17:26
xgerman_and I am trying to get the OSA people to do reviews…17:26
xgerman_so if you have friends over there…17:26
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johnsomYeah, those interested in Ansible for Octavia, those are good patches to review17:27
jnieszxgerman_ we have core here on OSA17:27
jnieszI can reach out17:27
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xgerman_thx - I will mention patches in their meeting tomorrow.17:28
xgerman_as well17:28
xgerman_2nd OSA patch:
rm_workwhat about the openstacksdk reviews17:29
rm_workdid anything happen there?17:29
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johnsomVery good question.17:30
johnsomSo, no, no one has reviewed any of those yet.17:30
johnsomI plan to send an e-mail out on the dev list asking some questions about that.17:30
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rm_workmaybe WE are supposed to?17:30
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rm_workand if we +1 they rubber-stamp?17:30
rm_worksince they prolly don't know much about octavia17:31
johnsomI see they did a pypi release not too long ago, but they are not using the OpenStack release team, so I'm really not sure what the story is with that project.17:31
johnsomYeah, +1's will probably help.17:31
johnsomWe are basically the top set of patches there.17:31
johnsomI have yet to do quota, but everything else is implemented.17:32
johnsomThere we go, better list17:34
rm_workah, we also need stats in the octavia client still, right?17:34
johnsomBack story here, others started these patches, but did not finish.  I have gone through and finished them.17:34
rm_workif anyone is bored :P17:34
johnsomThis is the python SDK17:35
johnsomYeah, I think stats and status tree are still missing, as well as integrating the quota commands17:35
johnsomMy plan is to use this SDK for the backend of the octavia dashboard (horizon)17:35
johnsomAny other topics for today?17:37
xgerman_do we need to corrdinate with Neutron fort lbaasv217:37
xgerman_I think for the proxy we might need to file a FFE?17:37
johnsomWell, it's our project, but we should have sent out a FFE e-mail already if we thought we were going to get it into Pike.17:38
rm_workah yeah i didn't know if we would land it in Pike17:39
rm_workthough I don't see a problem, it's a NEW thing17:39
rm_workit can't break anyone right? :P17:39
johnsomFamous last words...17:39
xgerman_ok, if we don’t have the proxy our depreciation gets mices up but we can’t do that anyway17:39
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xgerman_and also with neutron client going away things get messy when it comes to support17:40
johnsomYeah, I think we have to wait for providers before we start the deprecation clock.  I think queens will be when neutron-lbaas deprecation is announced.17:40
rm_workyeah i guess we can try17:40
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rm_workdid you touch it since my last comments xgerman_?17:40
rm_workwasn't sure17:41
xgerman_I rebased17:41
johnsomI added the bug to it for tracking17:41
xgerman_your comment was cryptic so I ignored it ;-)17:41
rm_workerr lol17:41
johnsomSo, I'm not really feeling the need to rush this into Pike.  I think we can do it at the start of Queens IMO.  Open for discussion...17:42
xgerman_what we need to do is figure out if the delay makes us having to write an openstack client plugin for lbaasv217:43
johnsomI don't really follow how the proxy plugin helps that.17:43
johnsomDid Kevin announce they are pulling the client code out?  I haven't seen that.17:44
xgerman_it says deprecated every time I run it17:44
xgerman_the plan was because of the proxy plugin and the openstack client that we don’t need an lbaasv2 openstack plugin17:45
johnsomYes, but I don't think there is a hard end date on that17:45
xgerman_yeah, as I said it gets messy17:45
johnsomI will ping Kevin just to make sure it's not getting pulled out of the code any time soon.17:46
xgerman_yeah, if we can save having to write code by announcing deprecation earlier I am all for it17:46
johnsomYeah, lots of things with neutron-lbaas are messy....17:46
johnsomThere is no support on either side to add neutron-lbaas commands to OSC.  That just isn't going to happen.17:47
rm_workummm what prevents the existing client from "working" with neutron-lbaas, more or less?17:47
johnsomThe plan has always been to continue to use the neutron client until all of the projects are migrated and the split is complete17:48
johnsomrm_work Nothing17:48
rm_workI don't even see a problem17:48
rm_worklet's verify we can make that client work17:48
rm_workand... we've got one17:48
johnsomYeah, me either17:48
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johnsomYeah, the neutron client continues to work17:48
johnsomSome of my testing scripts still use it.17:49
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rm_workwell even if it is removed, people can use the openstack client for octavia to hit neutron-lbaas17:49
xgerman_ok, we should say that somewhere17:49
johnsomrm_work In theory yes.  Has anyone tried it?17:49
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rm_workjohnsom: erg you should fix that :P I have examples in mine of everything you'd need to replace i think17:49
rm_workjohnsom: that's what i'm saying, we need to just try it17:49
rm_workand maybe there's a bug or two we can fix17:50
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rm_workah like i know for neutron-lbaas for some reason member-subnet-id is required :/17:50
rm_workit should be optional17:50
johnsomUgh, debatable17:50
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rm_worktechnically anything is debatable17:51
rm_workdo both sides have merit? I don't think so :P17:51
johnsomHahaha, I know which side you are thinking of...17:51
rm_workbut we can debate17:51
xgerman_We got bitten with deprecation V1->V2 so want to be super cautious this time around…17:51
johnsomV1->V2 was handled very poorly, we are not doing that.17:52
rm_workok, has a unit test now17:52
xgerman_that’s why I ask those questions ;-)17:52
johnsomAny other topics today?17:53
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johnsomAlright, on to reviews!17:54
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bh526r#startmeeting gluon18:00
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bh526r#topic Roll Call18:00
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bh526r#info Bin Hu18:00
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bh526r#topic Admin Update18:05
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bh526r#info None18:05
bh526r#topic Pike Update18:05
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bh526r#info We approved and merged 5 patches based on meeting last week18:06
bh526r#info There are 3 outstanding patches. We will review and dispose them offline18:06
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bh526r#info Bin will work with Sukhdev for the update of integration with Neutron18:07
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bh526r#info Patch 1: Gluon object-level authorization18:10
bh526r#info Patch 2: Policies in yaml18:10
bh526r#info Patch 3: Stop using deprecated CORS.set_latent()18:11
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bh526r#topic AOB18:12
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bh526r#info None18:13
bh526r#info Meeting adjourned18:13
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ekhugen_alt#startmeeting wos_mentoring20:00
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ekhugen_altHi who's here for the mentoring team meeting?20:01
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diablo_rojoHello :)20:03
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diablo_rojoamrith, around?20:03
ekhugen_altHi Kendall20:03
diablo_rojoekhugen_alt, what's on the agenda today?20:03
ekhugen_altI think just going back to the new round of long term mentoring20:04
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ekhugen_altsorry I got stuck trying to help someone with gerrithub problems and it kind of ate up my afternoon20:04
ekhugen_altHi Nicole20:04
NicoleHHi Emily!20:04
diablo_rojoGot the link to the form handy?20:05
ekhugen_altthis one?
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diablo_rojoYep that's the one :)20:07
NicoleHLooking at it now.20:07
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ekhugen_altwe've cut it down quite a bit, anything else people want to change before we declare it ready?20:08
diablo_rojoI think taking all those questions out is really good.20:08
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diablo_rojoI think its good how it is20:08
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ekhugen_alt+1 diablo_rojo, nice job!20:09
NicoleHWondering if we should include Long Term Mentoring in this statement at the top of the form: Sign up to be part of the OpenStack Mentoring Programs, including Speed Mentoring and Upstream University.20:09
NicoleHSo: Sign up to be part of the OpenStack Mentoring Programs, including Speed Mentoring, Long Term Mentoring and Upstream University.20:09
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ekhugen_altI think that makes sense20:10
amrithdiablo_rojo yes, multi-tasking20:11
diablo_rojoamrith, me too20:11
ekhugen_altdiablo_rojo is it pretty easy to change that line at the top of the form?20:12
NicoleHdiablo_rojo, how do-able is it to swap order of a couple of the questions? if it's more difficult, no worries.20:13
diablo_rojoYeah definitely20:13
diablo_rojoAlso very easy20:13
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NicoleHok, am looking at the order ...20:14
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NicoleHLooking at the 4th question & 7th question, these appear very similar.20:15
NicoleHThey both ask about current role.20:15
ekhugen_altJob Title/Current Role* and What is your current role?*20:16
diablo_rojoGood point20:17
diablo_rojoI will take out current role?20:17
ekhugen_alt+1 diablo_rojo20:17
NicoleHShould the question about 'previous roles' then fall underneath it?20:18
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ekhugen_altif we do that, can we move the mentor/mentee question up to under Company?20:19
ekhugen_altI'm just thinking of the spreadsheet and it's useful to have mentor/mentee always near the left hand side20:19
diablo_rojoHere let me make some of these changes real quick and we can look at it. Two min and I will tell you when to refresh.20:21
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ekhugen_altthank you!20:21
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diablo_rojoOkay refresh20:25
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NicoleHIt feels like we should drop the question about goals down below the question posed to mentees about their areas of interest.20:25
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NicoleHThat way, all of the questions posed to mentors are together.20:25
NicoleHOtherwise, the form looks great!20:25
ekhugen_altI like that change20:26
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diablo_rojoOnce we are settled on what this looks like. I will make a google sheet, link it and then we are ready to send out the email I think20:27
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diablo_rojoSo we are good to go?20:28
NicoleHLooks great on my end!20:28
diablo_rojoPerfect :) Thanks for the suggestions NicoleH :)20:28
ekhugen_altI think so20:28
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NicoleHabsolutely! :)20:29
diablo_rojoekhugen_alt, I will ping you when I am done with the google sheet. Will do it today and then you are free to send the email to kick things off whenever you want.20:29
diablo_rojoI can also get annabelleB to promote :)20:29
ekhugen_altokay, and just fyi this is the email I was going to send out20:29
ekhugen_altHello All!20:29
ekhugen_altWe are excited to kick off the next round of mentoring sponsored by the20:29
ekhugen_altWomen of OpenStack! Anyone can sign up who is interested in mentoring or in20:29
ekhugen_altneed of a mentor!20:29
ekhugen_altMentors! We can set you up as a technical mentor based on your areas of20:29
ekhugen_altexpertise within the community or we can match you with a mentee looking20:29
ekhugen_altfor more career advice.20:29
ekhugen_altMentees! We have a variety of Stackers interested in giving you both20:29
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ekhugen_alttechnical and career advice! We have mentors from a wide range of projects20:29
ekhugen_altand working groups willing to help you get involved in different aspects of20:29
ekhugen_altthe community.20:29
ekhugen_altWe would like to make as many matches before the Denver PTG as we can20:29
ekhugen_altso you can meet with your mentee/mentor there if you are both attending.20:29
ekhugen_altIf you have been involved with previous rounds of mentoring, we would love20:29
ekhugen_altto have you back!  Please fill out the form below, since we are starting20:29
ekhugen_altfrom a clean slate on mentors and mentees this time.20:29
ekhugen_altSign-up to get involved here:20:30
diablo_rojoLooks good to me :)20:30
annabelleByup! can share on social!20:30
ekhugen_altthanks diablo_rojo and annabelleB!20:30
NicoleHYay, a big thank you!20:31
diablo_rojoannabelleB, maybe tweet something tomorrow or thursday?20:31
annabelleBcan do!20:31
ekhugen_altso anything else on the long term mentoring then?20:33
NicoleHnot that i can think of.20:34
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ekhugen_altokay, amrith anything to talk about with the Speed Mentoring  session for Sydney?20:34
diablo_rojoDid we want to start talking about Speed Mentoring for SYD? Or waiting to hear if we have a sponsor before we plan things?20:34
ekhugen_altI guess that's probably the only question there, if we've had any luck on sponsorship20:35
diablo_rojoNothing so far.20:37
ekhugen_altokay, any other topics?20:38
NicoleHnone from me20:38
diablo_rojoNone from me.20:39
ekhugen_altdoes anyone mind if we cancel the next two weeks?  I'm out of office for a bit20:39
ekhugen_altand usually August is a big vacation time20:39
NicoleHsounds good on my end20:39
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diablo_rojoI think that's fine. We can email around if there are questions in the interim.20:40
ekhugen_altokay cool20:40
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diablo_rojoStart making matches when we come back together in two weeks?20:40
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ekhugen_altyep, that sounds like a good plan, although I think it will be 3 weeks20:40
NicoleH+1 diablo_rojo. sounds like a great next step!20:40
diablo_rojoekhugen_alt, that's what I meant :)20:41
ekhugen_altawesome, thanks everyone!  Have a good afternoon!20:42
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diablo_rojoThanks ekhugen_alt !20:43
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acoles#startmeeting swift21:00
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acolesHi, who is here for the swift meeting?21:00
_pewp_jungleboyj (*´・д・)ノ21:01
rledisezhello o/21:01
acolesthis week notmyname is on vacation so I will faclitate the meeting21:02
acolesthanks everyone for being here21:02
acolesthe agenda is in the usual place ...21:02
kota_thanks acoles21:02
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torgomaticoh, hello everyone21:03
timburkehi all21:03
acolesnot too much to cover so hopefully a short meeting21:03
acolesso first up is the PTG21:03
acoles#topic Denver PTG21:04
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acoleswe are gathering ideas for the PTG sessions on an etherpad21:04
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acolesit's good to see there ^^ that a few more people are signed up21:04
acoleslet's keep adding ideas for topics21:05
acolesand also indicate where your particular interests are21:05
acolesI see notmyname has started a list for those that will be around for bug triage so go and add your name there if you will (on the same etherpad)21:06
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acolesdid we decide how that bug triage would work?21:06
zaitcevI think I'll be there at PTG, hopefully with functests for PUT+POST, although these days I'm mostly looking at Gnocchi.21:07
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acoleszaitcev: good to hear!21:07
tdasilvaacoles: divide and conquer sounded good to me21:07
acolestdasilva: yes21:07
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tdasilvaacoles: I was also going to suggest actually removing the lines that are getting crossed out, maybe the visualization of smaller list encourages more people to triage ;)21:08
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acolestdasilva: yes, they will eventually make it hard to find the un-triaged bugs!21:08
acolesor shuffle them down but that is more work21:09
acolesany questions about the PTG?21:09
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acolesok since we strayed on to it let's jump to21:10
acoles# topic bug triage21:10
acoles#link etherpad:
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acoleslooks like there has been some progress but plenty more to do :)21:11
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acolesany questions on the process for triage?21:11
acolesquiet today21:12
tdasilvaheh, might be short meeting indeed21:12
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acolesok, well let's keep plugging away at the bugs - I found some easy ones to triage so get there early to do the same21:13
kota_tdasilva: hehe, me too :P21:13
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timburkei found one to do with adding ipv6 support :-)21:13
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tdasilvabtw: this this the list:
tdasilvafor folks that are not aware...21:15
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tdasilvanevermind, acoles had already posted it21:15
acolesit is also allowed to *fix* bugs but a reminder that the goal of this exercise is to reduce the number of un-triaged (Importance=Undecided, Status=New)21:15
acolestdasilva: you can't post it enough! ;)21:15
acolesok, enough on triage?21:16
acolesgoing, going...21:16
timburkeoh, quick question: do we have much guidance on assigning importance?21:16
timburkein particular, low vs medium seems... fuzzy21:16
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tdasilvause your best judgment ??? honestly...idk..but i expect we would hash it out overtime21:18
acolestimburke: to my mind Low is the bottom rung (wishlist is sort of orthogonal, not really a bug) and probably implies inaction until it bumps up to Medium??21:18
timburkek. i'll continue winging it :-)21:19
acolesthat said, I can imagine Low importance sometimes being low hanging fruit so they might bet worked on21:19
mattoliverauSorry I'm late o/21:19
acolesthe one rule I do know is that Critical blocks a release21:19
acolesmattoliverau: welcome21:20
acolesand maybe High implies pain for ops?21:20
acolesbut we'll all make our own judgements I guess21:21
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acolesok next topic...21:22
acoles#topic recent releases21:22
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acolessince last week's meeting we have had both swiftclient and swift releases21:22
acolesThere is lots of good stuff in these releases so well done and thanks to everyone for contributing!21:23
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acolesIf I understand correctly the swiftclient release will be the final one for Pike. I'm not so sure for swift - there may be one more before Pike (end August/start September)21:23
timburkeoh yeah, i should look into getting a release-notes link on that page for swiftclient, too21:24
acolestimburke: that would be great (but I have no idea how it happens)21:25
tdasilvatimburke: is this the work of reno: ?21:26
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acolesyes reno is the tool21:26
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timburkei did it once... i think? maybe needed us to have some other stuff already in place...21:26
acolesso timburke is going to fix that (along with everything else) ;-)21:28
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timburke...and it looks like swiftclient still needs a releasenotes tox job21:29
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acolesPerhaps worth a reminder that swift 2.15.0 is the first release to force deprecation of unsupported isa_l_rs_vand policies as announced here...21:29
mattoliverauOh yeah cool21:30
mattoliverauGood to remember21:30
acolesmattoliverau: or not, depending on your circumstances ;)21:30
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mattoliverauMaybe soon we'll hear how many people where running EC in a bad configuration out in the wild21:30
zaitcevImagine waking up one day and saying "I wish Erasude Coding were never invented!"21:31
timburkezaitcev: ...been working on that PUT+POST patch a bit, eh?21:32
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kota_is there any idea on calling alert for k>=22, m=4 for isa_l_rs_vand too?21:33
kota_as well as m>=5 case on that e-mail from notmyname21:33
timburkethat would probably be wise, but i don't know that anyone's started on it21:34
acoleskota_: yes we should do that, needs a patch21:34
acoleskota_: do you have link to the isa_l issue for those who may not be familiar?21:34
acolesfound it21:35
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kota_acoles: that one, i just am looking for with my browser ;)21:35
acolesnote that the use of 'm' on that page is different from how kota_ and many of use 'k' and 'm'21:36
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mattoliverauRight, then that isn't confusing ;p21:37
acolesbut the conclusion is that when num data parity frag is >=22 then num parity frags should be <= 421:37
acolesgah and I just confused it myself :/21:38
acoleswhen num data frag is >=22 then num parity frags should be <= 421:38
acoleskota_: timburke I think first step might be a patch to add a warning? similar to the original issue21:39
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kota_acoles:  +121:39
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timburkestrictly < 4, yeah? m=4 is bad21:39
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kota_timburke: true21:39
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acolestimburke: yes. sorry. too late here for maths!21:41
acolesAnyway, great work everyone on the recent releases.21:41
acoles#topic next meeting21:42
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acolesNext week there is an 0700UTC meeting  on August 9th which I believe mattoliverau will be chairing21:42
acolesI'm not sure what the plan is for next week's 2100UTC meeting - notmyname will still be on vacation.21:42
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acolesI'm also away next week. I suggest watch the agenda wiki for an update on the 2100 meeting.21:43
acoles#topic open discussion21:44
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acolesanyone want to raise anything for discussion?21:44
joeljwrightI'd love more opinion on slo pre/post amble21:44
joeljwrightchristian made some comments21:44
joeljwrightbut it feels stuck21:45
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zaitcevwell, I saw the review but I have no idea what it's for and how it works. I'll have a look, I guess.21:45
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joeljwrightzaitcev: thanks21:46
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joeljwrightit's for building containers (like tar) around data without storing tiny objects in the SLO manifest21:46
joeljwrightthanks to anyone who looks :)21:46
mattoliverauI'm getting up to speed on the new job etc. But hope to be more available soon :)21:47
acolesChristian's review is positive21:47
acoleslet's try to get some more review on this for joeljwright21:48
joeljwrightacoles: thanks!21:48
rledisezjoeljwright: i should be missing something, but i'm wondering what is the advantage over a middleware that would generate the tar on-the-fly based on a requested list of objects. is that because the list is stored in the swift cluster?21:48
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torgomaticrledisez: if nothing else, it's more general. A middleware that generates a tarball can only generate tarballs; this one can be made to produce tar archives, zip archives, or other sorts of things21:50
timburketorgomatic: according to joeljwright, zip is...problematic21:50
joeljwrightwell, it would be a lot less problematic if we had crc's in the metadata ;)21:51
torgomaticok, zip is a bad example then... but you could concatenate audio/video files in cooperating formats21:51
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zaitcevany archive that splits up objects into blocks will not be expressed with just preambles21:51
joeljwrighttorgomatic: that's one of the other examples I've been trying to find time to look into21:51
rledisezso the use case is to be able to access part individually and also "grouped" together. right?21:51
joeljwrightpreambles + postambles + range requests would work though zaitcev21:51
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joeljwrightrledisez: yes that's one use case21:53
joeljwrightit's also useful to have the pre-validation of SLO21:53
joeljwrightso we know the tarball is the one we created21:53
joeljwrightnot some arbitrarilty changed data later dynamically made into a tar21:53
zaitcevWell, as long as it's limited to middleware... I'm really suspicious of these ad-hoc things.21:54
rledisezok. i'm asking cause we are looking into dynamic archive construction on swift (zip for now). but it's different use case, so no overlap i think21:55
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acolesjoeljwright: thanks for drawing attention to that patch21:56
acolesanything else to raise before we end?21:56
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acolesok. thanks everyone for being here. I'm calling 58 mins a 'short' meeting ;)21:58
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