Tuesday, 2017-08-08

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hongbin#startmeeting zun03:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Aug  8 03:00:09 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.03:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.03:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'zun'03:00
hongbin#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zun Today's agenda03:00
hongbin#topic Roll Call03:00
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hongbinthanks for joining hte meeting mkrai Namrata pksingh kiseok7 spn kevinz03:01
hongbinlet's get started03:01
hongbinthanks for joining kiennt03:01
hongbin#topic Announcements03:01
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hongbin1. We will cut a pike release for Zun server soon (within one week or two)03:01
hongbin#link https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html Pike release schedule03:01
hongbinif you have patches that need to land on pike, please submit it in these weeks03:02
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hongbinthat is all from me03:03
hongbinanother announcement from our team members?03:03
hongbina question, which patches you think we should land on pike and haven't been merged?03:03
hongbin#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/zun the review queue03:04
mkraiI have one on "make delete async"03:04
hongbinhi shu-mutou03:04
mkraiI will resubmit the patch today03:04
mkraihongbin: This one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/452660/03:04
hongbinmkrai: ack, this one needs an api version bump i think03:04
mkraihongbin: Will do it. Thanks03:05
Shunlicreate with existing port is better to have in pike, i think.03:05
hongbinShunli: ack03:05
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hongbin#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/481861/03:05
hongbinanything else?03:06
hongbinreviewers, please put the above patches in a higher priority03:06
hongbinok, next topic03:06
hongbin#topic Review Action Items03:07
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hongbin1. hongbin ask nova core about how to deal with api microversion (PENDING)03:07
hongbini will do that this week03:07
hongbin2. hongbin pose an architecture diagram at the zun wiki page (DONE)03:07
hongbin#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zun#Architecture03:07
hongbinthat is all for review action items03:07
hongbinany question for this topic?03:07
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hongbin#topic Cinder integration03:08
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hongbini am working on this one03:08
hongbinwhat is ready to review is a WIP patch in CLI03:08
hongbin#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/491271/03:09
hongbinit is not ready to merge yet, but you could see how the CLI will look like03:09
hongbini am still working on the server side patch, hope i can get a WIP patch ready this week03:09
hongbinif this feature is finish, the CLI command will look like this:03:10
hongbin$ zun run -v <cinder_volume>:/data <image>03:10
hongbinthat means bind-mount the cinder volume to the container in '/data' path03:10
shu-mutouWill Cinder integration be merged in Pike?03:11
hongbinshu-mutou: no, will target on Q03:11
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shu-mutouI see. thx. :)03:11
hongbinany other comment on this?03:11
spncinder_volume is a pre-allocated vol?03:12
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hongbinspn: in the first implementation, it is pre-allocated03:12
hongbinspn: if someone else has a proposal to allocate the volume along with the container, it can go into the second iteration of implementation03:13
spnhongbin: ok. makes sense03:13
Shunlithe CLI will be reused by fuxi driver, right?03:13
hongbinShunli: yes, the CLI should be independent of hte backend, regardless of fuxi or others03:14
hongbinok, seems there is no more comment, advance topic03:15
hongbin#topic Introduce container composition (kevinz)03:15
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hongbinkevinz: ^^03:15
kevinzHi All03:15
kevinzLast week I'm blocked with some internal issues, could not do more about capsule03:16
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kevinzJust move the capsule API to experimental03:16
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kevinzPatch has submitted yesterday03:17
hongbinkevinz: perhaps you could explain to the team why we decide to move the API to experimental03:17
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kevinzhongbin: yeah, because capsule API still in development, staying in API v1 will bump the version when new capsule introduce03:18
hongbinkevinz: yes, that is the reason03:19
kevinzSo move the v1/capsules/ to experimental/capsules. So separate capsule with v1, and keep v1 stable. When capsule API are ready to merge, we can move it to v1.03:19
hongbinany comment on this?03:20
kevinzSo now if we want to use capsules API, need to create new service and entry point for it. There is a patch about this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/491451/03:20
mkraizun capsule-create will work with this?03:21
mkraiHow is it handled at the zunclient? Multiple services?03:22
kevinzmkrai: yeah, any capsule api will work in experimental03:22
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kevinzmkrai: create a new service called: zun-experimental03:23
kevinzmkrai: zunclient will use this.03:23
mkraiBecause the service type at zunclient is 'container'.03:23
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kevinzmkrai: yes, new service type called  container-experimental.03:24
mkraiWe might have to specify the zun-experimental explicitly.03:24
mkraiIs there a patch for zunclient uploaded already?03:24
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kevinzmkrai: Not yet, will push it in a minute:-)03:24
kevinzafter solve some conflicts03:25
mkraikevinz: Ok I will look at it. Thanks :)03:25
hongbini think it will be similar as cinder v2 and v3, both version has an api endpoints and service catalog03:25
kevinzmkrai: Thx very much03:25
kevinzhongbin: definitely03:25
mkraihongbin: ack. I haven't seen at cinder code :)03:25
hongbinany other comment before advancing topic?03:26
hongbinok, the next topic is NFV03:27
hongbinhowever, lakerzhou said he cannot come today, so let's skip this one03:27
hongbin#topic Zun connector for k8s03:27
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hongbin#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/zun-connector-for-k8s03:28
mkraiThis one sounds interesting :)03:28
kevinzGood topic03:28
hongbinfirst, let me introduce the context a bit03:28
hongbinmicrosoft has annouce a new container service called Aurze Container Instance (ACI): https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/blog/announcing-azure-container-instances/03:29
hongbinACI is basically a microsoft version of Zun03:29
hongbinIn ACI, the main resource is container03:29
hongbinUsers can use ACI to create/delete/update/... container03:30
hongbinIn addition, there is a k8s connector for AC03:30
hongbin#link https://github.com/Azure/aci-connector-k8s03:31
hongbini haven't looked into it in deep03:31
hongbinhowever, the idea looks very interesting03:31
hongbinwhich i think the Zun team might borrow the idea for k8s integration03:32
hongbinin summarize, how it works is to register a node in k8s03:32
hongbinthe node represent the ACI service, and it has unlimited cpu/memory/...03:32
hongbinif pod is scheduled on this node, the ACI connector will translate it to a few containers in ACI03:33
hongbinbasically, it allows users to use k8s API to run containers on microsoft cloud03:33
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hongbinthat is a general introduction03:33
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hongbinany question so far?03:33
pksinghso k8s will invoke ACI connector?03:33
kevinzSo it sounds like zun will serve as a backend for k8s?03:33
hongbinpksingh: i think yes03:34
pksinghso similar interface as kubelet?03:34
hongbinkevinz: yes, in particular, serve as a k8s node03:34
hongbinpksingh: i doubt if kubelet will have any API, what kubelet does is to watch the k8s API and lauch pods03:35
kevinzhongbin: "The whole Zun cluster" serve as a k8s node?03:35
hongbinpksingh: however, the connector will be very similar to kubelet, i assume it will watch the k8s API for pods in a similar way03:35
pksinghhongbin: so where does ACI fits in k8s?03:36
hongbinkevinz: i think your interpretation is correct03:36
hongbinpksingh: ACI is a node in k8s with unlimited compute resources03:36
pksinghhongbin: OK03:37
mkraiThe interaction b/w k8s services and Zun is not clear I guess03:37
pksinghi need to look more into that, will come with more questions :)03:37
mkraihongbin: let's create an etherpad for this?03:38
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hongbinmkrai: yes, so far, it supports pod only, how it fits into resources other than pod is unknown03:38
hongbinmkrai: sure03:38
hongbin#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zun-connector-k8s03:39
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mkraihongbin: Thanks03:39
hongbinok, we could work on the etherpad offline03:40
kevinzThat is a new integration method between OpenStack and K8S, not provision K8s, just serve k8s.03:40
kevinzSeems like kuryr-k8s, in the compute resource level03:41
hongbini would say zun would have a better future if we could figure out the right integration with k8s03:42
hongbintherefore, this bp is very important03:42
mkraihongbin: +203:42
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kiennthongbin: that's great!03:43
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hongbinlooks everyone agree on this direction03:43
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hongbinany other comment on this topic?03:44
hongbin#topic Open Discussion03:44
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hongbinif you have a topic that requires team discussion, now is the time to bring it up03:45
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ShunliI would like to start work on this bp https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/network-rest-api03:45
hongbinShunli: awesome03:45
Shunlibut docker network is on each compute node.03:46
Shunlineutron network is a global network.03:46
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hongbintherefore, i don't think it is a good idea to have a wrapper of the docker network api03:47
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Shunliseems user more likely to use a global network to create container. seems no need to implement this bp, thoughts?03:47
hongbinin my opinion, there are at least two api is needed03:48
hongbin1. add_network_to_container03:48
hongbin2. remove_network_to_container03:48
hongbinthe network above is the global neutron network03:49
hongbini guess nova has a similar api to add/remove network from an instance ?03:49
hongbinthat is what i have in mind03:49
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Shunliagree. so i will change the to goal of the bp to implement attach/dettach network.03:50
mkraihongbin: Agree03:50
hongbinShunli: if you could think of any other API that is needed, please feel free to propose it03:51
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hongbinany other topic to discuss?03:52
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hongbinok, all, thanks for joining the meeting, see you next time03:53
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tpatilsamP: ping?04:10
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tpatilLooks like today's meeting is cancelled, but I haven't seen any communication on masakari mailing list  or in the weekly agenda04:11
Dinesh_Bhortpatil: yes, me too04:13
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tpatilOk, if you guys have any questions or topics to discuss about Masakari , please discuss on openstack-masakari channel04:14
Dinesh_Bhortpatil: ok04:15
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tpatilI got to know from Sagara san that Sampath is traveling to Mexico to attend OpenStack Ops meetup04:16
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yamamoto_#startmeeting networking_midonet07:21
openstackMeeting started Tue Aug  8 07:21:27 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is yamamoto_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.07:21
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yamamoto_#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NetworkingMidoNet07:21
yamamoto_#topic This meeting07:22
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yamamoto_This meeting has had no useful discussions these days. I'd suggest to officially shut it down.07:22
yamamoto_I'll submit a patch for irc-meetings.07:22
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Qiming#startmeeting senlin13:02
openstackMeeting started Tue Aug  8 13:02:05 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Qiming. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:02
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ruijieevening, Qiming, XueFeng13:04
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Qiminghi, this week is the RC1 week13:04
XueFengevening, all13:05
Qiminglet's see if we have some patches to merge13:05
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QimingI'm reading elynn's patch on nova server13:05
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elynnfinally someone is reading it13:06
Qimingoverall it looks good13:06
XueFengQiming, maybe there is a bug in client13:06
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QimingI'm still trying to be picky13:06
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XueFengLet me check13:07
XueFeng senlin node-list 'Namespace' object has no attribute 'os_profile'13:07
elynnsure, welcome picky.13:07
Qimingelynn, I don't like the 'return ex' or 'return obj, ex' code13:07
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elynnIt's copycat from golang..13:08
Qimingexceptions are not supposed to be passed this way13:08
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Qimingbetter change it to 'return error_string' or 'return obj, error_string'13:09
Qimingthe code won't cause an issue in its current state13:09
elynnmight lost the exception type in this way13:10
Qimingbut in future, if someone wants to parse that exception "object", he will fail13:10
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Qimingexception objects are only meant to be parsed INSIDE a try ... except <parse it here> clause13:10
elynnI see.. Sounds good.13:10
QimingI myself have suffered from that before13:11
Qimingtrying to figure out the exception details out of the exception context ... most things changed13:11
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elynnpersuaded, I will modify that.13:12
QimingXueFeng, what is it?13:12
Qimingcan you nail it down to the changes made?13:13
XueFengmaybe cause by this patch13:13
XueFengChristopher Brown is making senlinclient rpm13:14
XueFengsenlin server rpm has been finished13:14
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QimingI noticed that complaint13:15
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XueFengI will check how to solve the problem ASAP.13:16
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Qimingokay, it looks to me the current fix is incorrect13:17
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QimingI think we should fix the unit test13:18
Qimingmake it smarter13:18
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Qimingwhen os_profiler is installed, parser.add_argument.call_count should be 1, or else it should be 013:19
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XueFenggot it13:20
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Qimingany other bugs / issues?13:24
QimingI have got one:13:24
XueFengNo more from me13:24
QimingBIG ONE13:24
Qimingand this: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-August/120656.html13:25
QimingRuijie has decided to step forward to lead us13:26
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ruijieHope we can go to next level, of course with all your supports13:27
Qimingas far as I know, if no one else would propose, he will be our next center-of-complaints13:27
XueFengNext cycle we will do more hard for senlin13:27
elynnGood to know~ Welcome ruijie :)13:27
Qimingthanks, ruijie13:27
ruijiethanks all :)13:28
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ruijieabout the bug/improvements, here's one http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/senlin/tree/senlin/engine/actions/base.py#n32213:29
Qimingright, we talked about that last week13:29
ruijiewe may need an interval/max retry times for this kind of actions13:29
ruijiebut, as you see, this is inside a thread, do we need a column or somethings to mark the retry times?13:31
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Qiming... good question13:32
QimingI don't think it needs to be persisted into database13:32
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Qimingbut without persisting to db, we don't have a workaround13:33
Qimingall actions are fetched again from db13:33
ruijieyes Qiming, or we could write it into the data field ..13:34
Qimingyep, sounds a workaround13:34
Qimingput {'#retries': 1} in to action.data?13:36
ruijieyes, need extra code to parse this field.13:37
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Qimingparse and set it if necessary13:38
Qiminglogic is straightfoward13:38
ruijieand we now have a lot of data in action.input & output13:38
Qiminga lot of?13:38
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ruijiefor the messaging purpose, I add a lot of them in out project .. not sure that is necessary to add back to Senlin13:39
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Qimingso ... it has better be done on a per-field basis13:41
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Qiminganyone of you is aware of how to use etcd as the data store?13:42
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elynnWhat kind of data store?13:44
Qimingreplace mysql13:44
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QimingI'm tired of the mysql -> sqlalchemy -> oslo.db -> our own db model abstraction13:45
elynnAny advantage replacing mysql with etcd?13:46
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Qimingit is introducing a lot of bizarre errors13:46
elynnas a kv database, I guess it would be very easy to use13:47
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Qimingthe most powerful thing is HA13:47
elynnjust throw a dict to it13:47
Qimingthen it has "watch" api13:47
Qimingactually, we are storing "dict" in mysqldb13:48
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Qimingthen action engine can simply "watch" new action objects creation and start working on it13:49
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elynnStill not so sure how to implement that13:50
XueFeng<Qiming> anyone of you is hihiof how to use etcd as the data store?  ///Hi, Senlin need introduce etcd to the project?13:50
Qiminga lot easier from the doc13:50
QimingXueFeng, just curious if that can save us from the db consistency problem once for all13:51
Qimingthis is wonderful: client.read('/nodes/n2', wait=True) #Waits for a change in value in the key before returning.13:52
XueFenguse raft protocol13:52
Qimingthings written into etcd can have a ttl13:53
Qimingthat means they will go away after that time period13:53
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Qiminga single option to controll all events in db13:53
ruijieauto purge the action data ..13:53
XueFengIt's better than corosync which use totem protocol13:54
Qiminganyway, just throw a question on you13:55
Qimingin case someone is interested in this13:56
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XueFengOk,  and these days13:56
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XueFengWhich things can we do for the k8s+senlin13:56
elynnMaintain the relationship might still be a problem in etcd I guess.13:56
ruijiethat is acceptable that we replace mysqldb with etcd? or add it as one component ?13:57
Qimingit doesn't have to be a replace13:57
Qimingit can be another db driver13:57
Qimingrecall that we have senlin/db/sqlalchemy, we can have senlin/db/etcd13:58
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ruijieokay, cool13:58
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Qimingtime's up, guys13:59
Qimingthanks for joining13:59
Qiminghave a good sleep13:59
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Qimingit is heavy raining outside here13:59
XueFenggood night13:59
elynnsee u13:59
Qiminggood night13:59
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ruijiegood night13:59
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igordcard#startmeeting network_common_flow_classifier14:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Aug  8 14:00:50 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is igordcard. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
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igordcardhello all14:01
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igordcardlet's wait a few minutes14:01
igordcardI know david needs a few mins14:02
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bcafarelI should prepare the coffee earlier14:03
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igordcardyes maybe we should move the coffee discussion topic to the beginning14:04
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davidshaHi, sorry I'm late14:05
bcafarelhi davidsha14:05
davidshabcafarel: Hey :)14:05
igordcardhi davidsha14:05
igordcarddavidsha: is thaynara joining?14:05
davidshaigordcard: I don't think so.14:06
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davidshaBut I can give updates for her, if thats ok?14:06
igordcarddavidsha: of course14:06
igordcardlet's tart14:06
igordcardagenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/CommonClassificationFramework#Discussion_Topic_8_August_201714:07
igordcard#topic CCF v0 - first wave of code (update)14:07
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igordcarddavidsha: we wanted to submit final v0 around the time of this meeting, what's the status?14:08
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bcafarelis the poc code needed for v0?14:09
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davidshaigordcard: At the moment it's 90% done, myself and Thaynara are just working on getting the oslo versioned objects to maintain the API set out in the spec.14:09
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davidshaWe do still need to add tests, but for V0 we're almost ready to submit the patch14:11
davidshaIt will be up within the next 2 hours or early tomorrow.14:12
igordcardthanks davidsha14:12
igordcard#topic PTG plans14:12
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igordcardas I mentioned in the past, won't be attending the PTG, but davidsha may14:13
davidshaI'm just waiting for travel approval...14:13
bcafareldavidsha: we're counting on you :)14:13
igordcardthere was a PTG etherpad, I can't quite find it now, someone has it handy?14:14
davidshabcafarel: you won't be attending?14:14
bcafareldavidsha: nope, too low in the budget queue :(14:15
igordcardI only find this one: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-ptg-queens14:15
davidshabcafarel: sorry to hear :(14:15
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igordcardbcafarel: yap14:15
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igordcardI'll add the CCF to the etherpad14:16
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igordcardfor queens release I see 2 main goals: - v1 - and the start of at least 1 consuming service14:17
igordcardany other things aiming at queens?14:18
davidshaigordcard: I'm planning on introducing it into the QoS extension for the dscp marking rule. There is an existing RFE that I files for it so I'll resurrect it.14:19
igordcarddavidsha: link?14:19
openstackLaunchpad bug 1527671 in neutron "[RFE] traffic classification in Neutron QoS" [Wishlist,Expired] - Assigned to David Shaughnessy (david-shaughnessy)14:20
bcafarelso full working version + one official consumer?14:20
davidshabcafarel: I'll need to see how the drivers meeting will react, but yes.14:21
igordcarddavidsha: thanks; keep the RFE expired as it seems to overlap with existing RFE14:21
igordcarddavidsha: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/147652714:21
openstackLaunchpad bug 1476527 in neutron "[RFE] Add common classifier resource" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Igor Duarte Cardoso (igordcard)14:21
igordcarddavidsha: perhaps create new RFE for QoS consumption of CCF?14:21
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igordcarddavidsha: apologies, I misread the title14:22
davidshaigordcard: :P14:22
igordcarddavidsha: it's specifically for QoS so should be resurrected14:22
igordcardany other goals for Queens?14:23
igordcardbcafarel: networking-sfc?14:23
bcafareligordcard: yes, I was thinking about it14:25
igordcardyushiro, reedip_brb, xgerman_ , interested in integrating with CCF for Queens?14:25
igordcard(for meeting log readers, they are from the FWaaS team)14:25
reedip_brbback .. hi14:26
davidshareedip_brb: hey14:26
reedip_brbI was looking at the spec.. Now I would like to try out the PoC from davidsha :)14:27
davidshareedip_brb: We'll have updated code up within the next 24 hours, patch set is here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/487182/14:28
reedip_brbyushiro : let us discuss the same in the FWaaS Open discussion today, else lets put it as an agenda in the next meeting so that it is discussed14:28
bcafareligordcard: at least getting the ball rolling with networking-sfc would be great, count me in for that part14:28
igordcardthanks reedip_brb14:29
igordcardthanks bcafarel14:29
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davidshareedip_: let us know if there are any protocols you guys need added and we'll try to get them in.14:29
reedip_davidsha : I think the protocols which matter to neutron , and might also impact other projects is in https://github.com/openstack/neutron-lib/blob/99d4f1f35f8d915f48bfaa677f690b29bc4b0dbe/neutron_lib/constants.py#L20214:30
yushiroigordcard, Hi, long time no see :)  Sounds good but let me check RFE and discuss in advance.14:30
yushiroreedip_, OK.14:30
igordcardanyhow, plan is to have merged v0 by end of Pike, so then consuming services can easily import the code and hack a little bit with it14:30
yushiroI'm joining fwaas channel and chair now.  sorry for late response.14:31
igordcardyushiro: thank you, also check the following links:14:31
davidshareedip_: ack, I have that book marked!14:31
reedip_davidsha :) gr814:32
igordcardyushiro: no problem, wonderful multi-tasking skills!14:32
igordcardI think this is all, I'll add the ccf to the etherpad and probably send an email too, then I'll leave it to davidsha to find the best time and folks at the PTG itself14:34
yushiroigordcard, aha, thanks for your link :)14:34
yushiroigordcard, I'm single processor :)14:35
igordcardI might join remotely if there's any etherpad drafting about the ccf14:35
reedip_yushiro : that means you work dedicatedly :P14:35
igordcardyushiro: reedip_: eheh14:36
igordcardmoving on14:36
igordcard#topic Open discussion14:36
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igordcardanything else we should be discussing?14:37
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bcafarelI emptied it a bit when we were waiting for the others :)14:37
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davidshaI mentioned it briefly, but getting a list of protocols that projects need us to support for them to consume would be good. do we still have the list of projects that participated at the ptg?14:38
bcafareldavidsha: it was just a quick look an hour ago, but I commented on the v0 code, there was still probably "old" code in place, I suppose it will be cleaned with v1?14:38
igordcarddavidsha: yes: https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/neutron-specs/specs/pike/common-classification-framework.html14:38
davidshabcafarel: I noticed, I'll incorporate it into the patch coming soon.14:39
igordcardwe should have a ubiquitous enough list of classification types, but it will be waste of energy to conquer the world14:39
igordcardfringe protocols should be requested (and maybe submitted) by interested consuming services14:39
igordcarddavidsha: bcafarel: about that; this patch is to be abandoned correct? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445577/14:41
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bcafareldavidsha: thanks :)14:41
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davidshaigordcard: Thats abandoned, I'll do that now.14:42
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bcafarelit will be clearer for people that start/stumble on ccf14:42
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igordcardthanks davidsha14:43
igordcardI don't have anything else14:43
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igordcardalright, seems that we're done14:44
bcafarelall good here too (and out of coffee anyway)14:44
igordcardthank you all for joining14:44
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igordcardau revoir14:45
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yohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80A-GOSob44 reviwe16:21
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lbragstad#startmeeting keystone18:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Aug  8 18:00:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is lbragstad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:00
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lbragstadping ayoung, breton, cmurphy, dstanek, edmondsw, gagehugo, henrynash, hrybacki, knikolla, lamt, lbragstad, lwanderley, notmorgan, rderose, rodrigods, samueldmq, spilla, aselius, dpar18:00
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lbragstad#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting18:00
lbragstadagenda ^18:00
samueldmqhi o/18:00
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lbragstad#topic announcements18:01
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lbragstad#info rc-1 is targeted for this week18:01
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lbragstad#info planning for the PTG should be underway18:02
lbragstadi'm going to start going through the etherpad and organizing the items into like categories18:02
lbragstadI plan to start doing that as soon as we can cut rc118:02
samueldmqlbragstad: are there any critical/high priority things for rc1?18:02
samueldmqi.e bugs18:03
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lbragstadwe do have one release blocker18:03
openstackLaunchpad bug 1705081 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "DELETE project API is failing in forbidden(403) error message" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Lance Bragstad (lbragstad)18:03
lbragstad#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/170508118:03
lbragstadand the fix for that should be gating18:03
lbragstad#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/491546/18:03
lbragstad#topic rc1 homestretch18:04
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lbragstadsince we were just talking about it18:04
lbragstad#link https://goo.gl/ygTNJF18:04
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samueldmqlbragstad: what does that filter say?18:05
lbragstad#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1705081 has a patch in review18:05
openstackLaunchpad bug 1705081 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "DELETE project API is failing in forbidden(403) error message" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Lance Bragstad (lbragstad)18:05
lbragstadsamueldmq: that's a list of all bugs that are open and targeted to RC118:05
lbragstadso - it's a list of things we need to complete before we can release a candidate for pike18:05
samueldmqok seems a pretty decent amount of job for the office hours today?18:06
lbragstad#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1674676 is a doc fix - per dstanek's comment18:06
openstackLaunchpad bug 1674676 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "The URL listed against the details of identity resources returns 404 Not Found error" [Medium,Triaged]18:06
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lbragstad^ that'd be a good one to get gating today18:06
lbragstadanyone feel like picking that up today?18:06
lbragstador submitting a doc patch to close that one?18:06
gagehugoIs that about those relationship links?18:08
cmurphyi've never really understood those relationship links18:08
lbragstadthat's exactly why we need a docs patch18:08
lbragstadthey are not suppose to resolve - so the point of the patch would be to document why they don't resolve18:08
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lbragstadessentially consolidating https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1674676/comments/318:09
openstackLaunchpad bug 1674676 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "The URL listed against the details of identity resources returns 404 Not Found error" [Medium,Triaged]18:09
sjain_me too, I tried working on the relationship links, but I'm not able to understand those18:09
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samueldmqahaa sjain_ ^18:09
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samueldmqoops I'm late. yes that's explaining what those relationship URLs are for. we had that in our TODO18:10
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gagehugoSo we want to change the docs to described what those links really are then18:11
lbragstadgagehugo: yeah - according to dstanek, a blanket statement to the api-ref would suffice18:11
lbragstadjust explaining what they are and why they're in the documentation18:11
gagehugolbragstad I can tackle that then I think, shouldn't be too bad if that's just the case18:11
samueldmqthat should be in the api-docs18:11
samueldmqsince that's where those links appear18:11
lbragstad#action gagehugo to pickup https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/167467618:12
openstackLaunchpad bug 1674676 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "The URL listed against the details of identity resources returns 404 Not Found error" [Medium,Triaged]18:12
gagehugoPut them wherever relationship links are imo18:12
lbragstadthanks gagehugo18:12
lbragstad#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/168964418:12
openstackLaunchpad bug 1689644 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "Keystone does not report microversion headers" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Rohan Arora (ra271w)18:12
lbragstadthat ^ one has a fix in review18:12
lbragstad#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468189/18:12
lbragstadand it's moving along - it'd be nice to have that gating no later than tomorrow afternoon18:13
cmurphyso keystone doesn't report a microversion header - but we also don't have microversions18:13
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gagehugolbragstad I'll let those working on that know18:13
cmurphyso i was kind of confused about the point of that one18:13
samueldmqlbragstad: would be nice to have mordred looking at that review too18:13
gagehugorarora ^18:13
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samueldmqand cmurphy who has been in sync with some microversion stuff18:13
knikollawe support one microversion at a time18:13
lbragstadcmurphy: right - so the implementation needs to be able to take that into account18:14
edmondswcalling that a microversion is not really accurate18:14
knikollaedmondsw: totally agree.18:14
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lbragstad#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1689644/comments/2 sums up the need pretty well18:15
openstackLaunchpad bug 1689644 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "Keystone does not report microversion headers" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Rohan Arora (ra271w)18:15
cmurphywell that comment is saying we should support microversions, that's not what this patch does18:16
knikollacmurphy: not really. that comment is saying we should report a microversion. so the microversion selection code in the client doesn't need a special case for keystone.18:17
lbragstadthe patch does the bare minimum to allow clients to apply code evenly across openstack services without committing to microversions18:17
lbragstadi'm not sure the bug suggests an opinion on microversions one way or another18:18
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edmondswlbragstad that comment you referenced says "by not supporting microversions" not "by not returning microversion headers"18:19
lbragstadso do we want to pull this from rc1 queue until we discuss the possibility of microversions further?18:20
samueldmqI think that is appropriate. We don't support microversions as of today18:21
lbragstadbecause i don't expect to have a productive conversation on microversions until the ptg18:22
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edmondswI'm leery of starting to return a header that seems to indicate keystone supports microversions, when we don't18:23
edmondswand wondering if that will bite us down the road18:23
lbragstadthat's fair18:23
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lbragstadthe tough part is that the microversion ship has mostly sailed18:24
lbragstadwe're one of the few projects that haven't adopted it18:24
lbragstadbut that's a discussion for the PTG18:24
lbragstadpulling it from the queue18:25
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lbragstadcc morgan ^18:25
morgani'm never going to be a fan nor support microversions18:27
morgani wont block it18:27
rarorashould I update the patch set's commit message or anything like that?18:27
morganand keystone should NEVER emit a header indicating microversion support unless it does18:27
morganthat is a hard -2 on additional data. you can support microversions and indicate it, but you cannot emit data indicating support for it if there is no support18:28
cmurphyyep that's the concern18:28
edmondswmorgan I'd agree... and then you'll want to drop a -2 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468189/18:29
lbragstadrarora: placed a procedural -2 on the patch for now so that we are aware of the status18:29
raroralbragstad: ok sounds good18:29
lbragstadalright - moving on18:30
lbragstad#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/169452518:30
openstackLaunchpad bug 1694525 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "keystone reports 404 User Not Found during grenade tests" [Medium,Triaged]18:30
lbragstadclarkb: ^ originally brought that to our attention a while ago and i targeted it to RC1 since it seemed to be affecting the gate quite a bit at the time18:30
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morganedmondsw: commented saying i'd remove the -2 when we support microversions18:31
lbragstadthe logs from the occurrence have since expired and the logstash query is kind of useless since it returns a lot of false positives18:31
edmondswmorgan +!18:31
clarkbya I wasn't sure if it was a regression in upgrades or not as well18:31
morganedmondsw: i wont +2/+1 microversion support but def. wont block implementation18:31
morgan(-1/-2 on that basis)18:31
morganclarkb: it is a regression from previous releases as far as we know18:31
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cmurphywell "user not found" isn't necessarily an indication of a problem18:32
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cmurphythe way osc is designed it just does that18:32
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lbragstadit could also be a test asserting something about the state of a user18:33
clarkbwell in this case it was failing to boot instances because the user being used went away in the upgrade iirc18:33
clarkbI'd have to go reread things to remember properly though18:33
morganlbragstad: likely18:34
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lbragstadclarkb: do you want to do that in -keystone after the meeting?18:34
lbragstadwe have office hours and it might be a good time to investigate18:34
lbragstadif your day is busy though, i understand18:35
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clarkbya I'm currently unleaking nova instances in one of our clouds18:36
clarkbit turns out nova can do that apparently so not sure if otday is a good day18:36
lbragstadclarkb: no worries - ping me if you end up wanting to go through it18:37
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lbragstadotherwise i can try and find another occurrance of it18:37
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lbragstadalright - next18:37
lbragstad#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/170085218:37
openstackLaunchpad bug 1700852 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "Slow listing projects for user with many role assignments" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Lance Bragstad (lbragstad)18:37
lbragstad^ that's a performance issue with effective role assignments18:38
cmurphyit seemed like you were waiting for feedback from the bug reporter on that one?18:38
cmurphyor do you want to un-wip it and get it in?18:38
lbragstadcmurphy: i think the patch i proposed is failing tests18:38
lbragstadwhich i need to investigate18:38
lbragstadso - it boils down to this18:39
lbragstadthe role assignment api for listing effective role assignments is terribly slow18:39
lbragstadit's also super dense python logic18:39
lbragstadfrom the perspective of someone who hasn't spent a lot of time in the assignment API - it's pretty confusing18:40
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lbragstadi suspect the problem is that we're doing some processing in python that is causing performance to degrade - specifically for effective assignemtn18:40
lbragstadmy knee-jerk reaction was to implement caching for it18:41
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lbragstadas a way to stop the bleeding until we can get more time to unwind and understand the role assignment API18:41
lbragstadand look for ways to improve performance by using/implementing better python18:41
lbragstaddoes anyone object to that approach? or should this wait until queens where we can do that investigation18:42
lbragstadI won't have time to unwind the entire role assignment api by the time rc1 rolls around18:42
samueldmqif we go for caching, we need to be really really careful. if we fail to invalidate in a single case (tehre are many)18:43
cmurphycaching sounds like a good start but i'm not sure it can get much better than that, it's basically a O(N^M) op because it has to map every user and every project18:43
samueldmqwe'll be leaking roles to tokens, which is not fun18:43
lbragstadsamueldmq: that's the other concerns18:43
lbragstadcmurphy: right18:43
lbragstadcmurphy: it's a lot of processing in python18:43
lbragstadwith no real good way to offload it18:43
samueldmqlbragstad: yes it is. I've worked a lot in that code in the past18:44
samueldmqand that was per design, we decided to go and expand users into groups18:44
samueldmqand then we have project hierarchies, and then inherited role assingments18:44
samueldmqall that logic gets processed in those methods for role assignments, since all those mechanisms are for assigning roles anyways18:45
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samueldmqquestion is, how bad is it?18:45
* samueldmq looks at the bug18:45
lbragstadthe performance numbers are in the bug18:45
lbragstadi'll see if i can get the patch passing tests and propose it18:46
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lbragstadif we get too close to rc1 we'll cut the release with out it and backport the fix when we have it18:46
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lbragstad(we backported a bunch of caching fixes in the mitaka timeframe for the same reasons when we dealt with fernet)18:46
lbragstad#action lbragstad to get https://review.openstack.org/#/c/487143/ passing tests18:47
lbragstadthe next two seems related and have been causing issues in the gate18:47
lbragstad#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/170221118:47
openstackLaunchpad bug 1702211 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "test_password_history_not_enforced_in_admin_reset failed in tempest test" [Medium,Confirmed]18:47
lbragstad#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/170391718:47
openstackLaunchpad bug 1703917 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "Sometimes test_update_user_password fails with Unauthorized" [Medium,Triaged]18:47
lbragstadthose mostly need investigation18:48
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knikollaSpent a day looking at them and came up short.18:48
morganfailed in a tempest test?18:48
lbragstadsame here18:48
samueldmqwhen I see "sometimes" in a bug report, I feel the pain18:48
lbragstadseems like a race condition but i couldn't understand why18:48
samueldmqlbragstad: remember when we were trying to debug some fernet/tokens stuff18:48
lbragstadyeah - those are like that18:49
cmurphyi've reproduced the admin_reset one by running it over and over but for some reason not the regular one18:49
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morgancmurphy: sounds about par for the course, there was a bug i found acting similar and it required a sleep to repro... the one that you can repro should be the focus18:50
morganthe other one *shrug* best we can do is keep an eye on it if we can repro it18:50
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cmurphymorgan: the sleep was because of the fernet weirdness, but i've seen it at least once with uuid18:50
morgancan't repro it*18:50
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morgancmurphy: same think in uuid at times.18:50
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lbragstadjust dealing with a much smaller window18:51
morgancmurphy: sometimes ... things are racy and pain.18:51
lbragstadok - if we get to RC1 without understanding what's going on we'll cut it without fixes and backport them if we can18:51
lbragstad#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/170507218:52
openstackLaunchpad bug 1705072 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "clearing default project_id from users using wrong driver implementation" [Medium,Triaged]18:52
lbragstadlast i heard praskre was working on a fix for this18:52
lbragstadbut i haven't seen anything18:52
samueldmqI had a fix for it. 1 line change18:52
samueldmqmake the LDAP driver do a "pass"18:52
lbragstadsamueldmq: this is a different bug i think18:53
lbragstadthis is if you have multiple domains and different identity backends for each18:53
lbragstadthe default project id is only cleared for the default domain backend18:53
morganit should be "if_readonly: pass"18:53
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morgannot just "if ldap"18:53
morganldap driver explicitly says read-only18:53
lbragstadthe logic to unset default project ids should be applied to all identity backends18:53
morganso, focus on that.18:53
lbragstadmorgan: that's being handled in a separate patch18:54
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lbragstadthis is specifically referencing multi-domain support18:54
samueldmqjust do a for known backend, as opposed to the default one18:54
lbragstadif a project is deleted the default project id is only cleared for the default domain backend18:54
morganyou'd have to iterate18:55
morganin as many words, default_project_id is a dumb construct18:55
samueldmqiterate and check if it's read_only or not18:55
lbragstadfind all available drivers and call unset_default_project_id() on each18:55
samueldmqor just call them and let the driver decide if there is something to be done18:55
samueldmqthat'd be better maybe. the driver knows the backend.18:55
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samueldmqanyways, looks like we agree in a solution18:56
lbragstadanyone interested in proposing a fix and a test?18:56
lbragstadi haven't seen anything from praskre yet18:56
lbragstadi can take a stab at it18:57
lbragstad#action lbragstad to propose a fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/170507218:57
openstackLaunchpad bug 1705072 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "clearing default project_id from users using wrong driver implementation" [Medium,Triaged]18:57
lbragstadlast one before the meeting is done18:58
lbragstad#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/167315718:58
openstackLaunchpad bug 1673157 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "type: local must be set in order to get domain parsed when mapping federated users" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Colleen Murphy (krinkle)18:58
lbragstadthat one ^ has a fix in review18:58
lbragstadjust needs another +218:58
lbragstadit's a documentation fix18:58
lbragstad(thanks cmurphy)18:58
lbragstad#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/491478/18:59
* mordred wves - has opened review from earlier18:59
lbragstadalright - we're out of time but we can continue this in office hours18:59
lbragstadmordred: we're headed to -keystone for office hours18:59
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fungiinfra team, forgather!19:00
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fungithis week we have action items assigned to and topics proposed by fungi, clarkb,19:00
fungi mordred, ianw19:00
fungiand a stray newline19:00
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Shrewsi don't see the stray newline getting much done19:01
fungiShrews: i don't know what you're on about, it's an integral member of the team19:01
ianwShrews: a stray newline took down the entire cgit infrastructure for about an hour a little while ago ... it can do more than you think :)19:01
clarkbianw: that was fun19:02
clarkband by fun I mean I was awake at 2am figuring that out :)19:02
fungii'd forgotten about that bit of fun19:02
jeblairimagine what it would be like if we *didn't* have a huge ci system validating every change!19:02
fungiyeah, that was an unsavory surprise19:02
fungijeblair: the stuff of nightmares!19:03
jeblairoh wait i've got another one:19:03
jeblairbut we're so careful about whitespace changes!19:03
fungiokay, let's get this ship underway19:03
fungi#startmeeting infra19:03
openstackMeeting started Tue Aug  8 19:03:57 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:03
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:03
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'infra'19:04
fungi#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting19:04
fungi#topic Announcements19:04
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fungi#info New code contributors are no longer forced to join the foundation19:04
fungi#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-August/120771.html New code contributors no longer forced to join the foundation19:04
fungi#info We're removing support for the Contact Store feature in puppet-gerrit19:05
fungi#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2017-August/005540.html Removing support for the Contact Store feature in puppet-gerrit19:05
fungi#link https://review.openstack.org/491090 Stop supporting the Contact Store feature19:05
clarkbthat is a good first step in simplifying our puppet deployment for modern gerrit19:05
fungisince i'm stuck in a car at this time next week, clarkb has volunteered to chair the meeting19:05
fungion august 1519:06
clarkbwe have a lot of older stuff in there that can go away (like contact store)19:06
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fungiand since we'll have a new ptl by the meeting after that, this is my last meeting as infra ptl19:06
fungiso unlike in the past, feel free to hit someone else up with announcements you want included in future meetings!19:06
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fungi#topic Actions from last meeting19:07
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Shrewsfungi's lame duck session commences19:07
fungiShrews: hush or we'll make you ptl19:07
fungi#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-08-01-19.02.html Minutes from last meeting19:07
jeblairhe can do that19:07
fungifungi get switchport counts for infra-cloud19:08
fungier, that should be19:08
fungi#action fungi get switchport counts for infra-cloud19:08
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fungibecause i still haven't heard back from hpe on it19:08
fungithe next two fared better than i19:08
fungiclarkb send advance notice of Gerrit 2.13 upgrade to mailing lists19:08
fungii saw that, lemme get a link real fast19:08
fungi#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-August/120533.html review.openstack.org downtime and Gerrit upgrade19:09
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fungimordred send advance notice of Zuul v3 cutover to mailing lists19:09
fungii think i have a link for this one too19:09
fungi#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-August/120499.html Rollout of Zuul v3 at the PTG19:10
fungithat concludes the our action items19:10
fungi#topic Specs approval19:11
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fungiwe don't seem to have anything new up this week, but i expect to put a completion change up for the contact removal spec next week19:11
fungianybody know of anything else coming soon?19:11
clarkbI have on my todo list to write a spec for the log server move (I don't think we have one already)19:12
clarkbbut I haven't had time to write that yet19:12
funginothing jumping out at me in open infra-specs changes at the moment19:12
pabelangerI hope to write up something about ara.openstack.org for PTG19:12
fungiyeah, that would be a good one to have underway soon19:12
fungithe logserver move19:12
fungiara also sounds fun, we've had a lot of the community lamenting the loss of puppetboard19:13
fungi#topic Priority Efforts19:13
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funginothing called out specifically here for this week19:13
fungithough the announcements earlier related to the gerrit contactstore removal priority effort19:14
fungianyone have last-minute things they need to cover on a priority effort from our list?19:14
fungicool, that leaves more time for general topics19:15
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fungi#topic Bandersnatch upgrade (ianw)19:15
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fungii saw you hacking on testing this out19:15
fungihow'd it go?19:15
ianwit works, and our changes seem to have been incorporated correctly into bandersnatch 2.019:16
ianwi tested by running updates on a clone of the pypi mirror, and it looks as you'd expect19:16
ianwso, now what :)19:16
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ianwit technically requires python 3.5, but i tested with 3.4 on the existing trusty host and it works19:17
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fungii say live dangerously, upgrade to 2.0 on trusty, and remember this one's a prime candidate to replace with xenial?19:17
clarkbI think release team wants us to be slushy but that seems like a safe change since its tested and we only publish if things work well19:17
pabelangermaybe a good time to migrate to xenial first?19:17
ianw"technically" == documented as, i mean19:17
clarkbso worst case we downgrade and rebuild the mirror19:17
fungithe main danger with running it on trusty is that the 2.0 release notes specifically say they plan soon to switch to relying on some 3.5+ features19:18
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fungiso we may find that 2.1 breaks for us19:18
ianwi don't think we need it -- it turns out the UA regex matching that was blocking us on pypi was unintentional19:18
fungiwhich is why upgrading to xenial soon would still be good regardless19:18
ianwso when would soon be, in people's mind.  too much before release?19:19
fungii do think generally keeping up with latest releases of the tools we use is still a "good thing"[tm]19:19
fungiif it's non-urgent, we could put it off until post-release19:19
ianwand do we want to snapshot & dist-upgrade or start fresh?19:19
clarkbianw: we tend to start fresh. The excception to that rule was lists.o.o to keep its IP addr19:19
clarkbin this case I would start fresh, then we can just stop cron on trusty node and let cron run on xenial node19:20
fungii think starting fresh would be fine, because we don't have to swap it into production until it's done populating the dataset anyway19:20
clarkbshould be straightforward cut over19:20
clarkbgranted we have to do it for reprepro too right?19:20
ianwexcept i don't want them racing and destroying each other's mirrors, since it's all backed on the same afs dir19:20
fungioh, in fact the data's already in afs19:20
fungiso nothing really stateful locally on it anyway19:20
ianwwe don't really have a global lock, other than turn one box off i guess :)19:20
clarkbianw: ya so you'd turn off the cron entries on old node before enabling them on new node19:20
clarkbya that19:21
fungiour "global lock" is zuul, technically19:21
fungiwe could pause it19:21
fungiif really concerned19:21
clarkbnah I think it would be fine to just disable cron on one node or turn it off (I think rax makes it hard to turn it off though)19:21
fungiinsofar as preventing a slightly extended "safe" downtime from impacting jobs19:21
fungiclarkb: you can `sudo halt` or `sudo poweroff` a vm in rackspace, i do it pretty regularly19:22
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fungithough there is the risk they might accidentally boot it back up, if we disable puppet temporarily and comment out cron jobs on it, no real risk19:23
ianwok, so agree to start a fresh host.  should i get started, or leave it for a while?19:23
clarkbfungi: and use nova api to reboot it?19:23
fungiclarkb: that's what i've done before, yep19:23
clarkbif so neat, I hadn't realized that was viable though makes sense19:23
fungiwell, openstack server reboot19:23
fungibut yes19:23
clarkbianw: I'd say its fine to get started. IF we want to be very careful we can run it by release team first19:23
fungii'm behind that plan19:23
ianwwell it would be trusty->xenial and then bandersnatch separately, so it does minimise things as much as possible19:24
ianwok, well seems an agreement we'll I start to look at it in near future19:24
jeblairsounds like a good plan.  i do think it's worth running by release team if we do it before release.19:25
ianwI'll start to look at it, i mean19:25
ianwok, will loop in19:25
ianwthat's all then, thanks19:26
fungii guess the other risk with the xenial upgrade is that we do additional mirroring things on there besides just bandersnatch19:27
fungibut that's mostly just rsync and some reprepro right? or is reprepro also happening on another server?19:27
clarkbya its those two things19:27
clarkbreprepro for debian and ubuntu mirrors and rsync for centos and fedora iirc19:27
ianwno reprepro is on there, and some rsync-ing for suse19:27
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fungirsync behavior i doubt would change significanyly, reprepro maybe19:28
fungibut really i don't expect either to be problematic19:28
fungiokay, thanks ianw!19:28
fungi#agreed Check with the release team, but plan to build a replacement mirror update server for Xenial and bandersnatch 2.0+19:29
fungithat cover it?19:29
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fungi#topic PTG planning (fungi)19:30
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fungiwe've got about 30 minutes left we can discuss some of the stuff on the etherpad, though i'd like to cut to open discussion maybe at 5-10 minutes left in case others have anything else19:30
fungi#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-ptg-queens Infra planning pad for Queens PTG in Denver19:31
fungioh, correction from last week19:31
pabelangerI'll be arriving on Satuday afternoon if anybody else is arriving early19:31
clarkbpabelanger: me too. It was either that or really late sunday so saturday afternoon won19:32
fungithe ethercalc i linked was for the _PIKE_ ptg, i was ding-dongity-wrong about the one for the upcoming (queens) ptg being up yet19:32
fungirealized it just moments after i embarrassed myself asking the coordinators questions about trying to update it19:32
fungimy plane is scheduled to cease hurtling through the aether at approximately 16:20 local denver time saturday19:33
fungii think that's "mdt"19:33
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fungiseems like the plan is to then attempt to take the commuter train to the vicinity of the ptg hotel19:34
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fungiafter which i should be available for zuulishness and other infra shenanigans19:35
pabelangerYa, I haven't looked yet how to get to hotel. But recall some services from last time we did mid-cycle in CO19:35
clarkbthere is commuter train service from the airport to relatively near the event hotel19:36
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fungiwell, the mid-cycle we did in fort collins wasn't really near where the ptg is being held19:36
fungiso no idea how much overlap there is for transit19:36
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pabelangerfungi: right, but I remember the desk of transit service that were offered to other places19:37
clarkbCentral Park station on the A line then walk about 1/4 mile19:37
fungipabelanger: ahh, yeah that makes sense19:37
pabelangerbut sounds like train is the way to go19:37
fungi1/4 mile walk from the station sounds fine to me19:37
fungii pack light19:37
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fungii went and retagged some of the new additions to the planning etherpad just now as well19:41
fungimmedvede's one on the third-party ci monitoring dashboard feels like it could sort of be either a helproom topic or a hacking topic19:41
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mmedvedefungi: yeah, there is definitely some hacking left19:42
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dmsimardFor the uninitiated, could we define what the tags mean in the etherpad ?19:43
fungii'll do that19:43
dmsimardhacking, reserve, etc.19:43
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mmedvedethird-party ci dashboard deployment would involve spinning up a VM on infra (or reusing existing one), setting up gerrit account, probably fixing a few puppet quirks along the way. I think that leans towards [hacking] a bit more19:45
fungidmsimard: does what i put in there clarify?19:45
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fungimmedvede: sure, if what you need is mostly guidance/assistance then the helproom setting is the thing, but if it'll be more group collaboration that's where i think the hacking days are geared19:46
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fungithough again, it's sort of a fuzzy distinction19:47
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fungiand as this is the first ptg we've tried this split with (and only the second ptg total for that matter) it's anybody's guess how it'll turn out19:47
jeblairit seems like that topic at least wants a bit of discussion first, then possibly hacking...?  (unless some decisions can be made before ptg)19:47
pabelangerYa, was just thinking if that spec might have changed a bit based on zuulv3 things now19:48
fungiright, definitely no need to artifically block any effort or discussion on the ptg, but we're all pretty heads-down on zuul and ptg prep stuff so the ptg may be the first opportunity for some to get much available bandwidth from us19:49
fungiwell, not just zuul and ptg prep stuff for that matter. release time and elections and our usual dog-paddle to try and stay afloat in a sea of crumbling systems ;)19:50
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mmedvedeif hacking time better spent on zuul v3, I can probably handle most of ci dashboard myself with a bit of assistance19:51
fungiokay, we can continue to do ptg prep discussion but i'm going to officially switch to open discussion for the remainder of the meeting in case people have other non-ptg stuff they want to bring up19:51
fungi#topic Open discussion19:51
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fungiwe ran out of time the past few meetings to do open discussion19:52
clarkbI'm going to be afk tomorrow. Babysitting fell through so I'm stuck with the kids19:52
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fungiso just wanted to make sure to make time this week in case19:52
fungioh, yes, as mentioned i'm completely afk most of the 15th, but will also be travelling the 17th through the 25th and only intermittently available19:53
fungi(of august)19:53
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fungiseems like maybe nobody has anything else? happy to wrap the meeting up a few minutes early for a change19:54
fungiseems that way19:56
jeblairyep, these systems don't break themselves!19:56
jeblairwell, they do19:56
jeblairbut i still like to help19:56
fungiit's been a pleasure serving as your ptl for these last two years, thanks everyone!19:56
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jeblairfungi: thank you!19:56
mmedvedethanks fungi, appreciate all the help!19:56
fungiand best of luck to whosoever takes on the mantle19:57
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openstackMeeting ended Tue Aug  8 19:57:08 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)19:57
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jeblairsee it's not a thankless job19:57
fungii get thanked all the time19:57
fungireminder: no tc meeting this week, though we're holding office hours next at 01:00 utc in #openstack-tc for anyone who wants to join19:58
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martialHi Blair21:03
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sofianeshello all21:03
b1airo#startmeeting scientific-wg21:03
openstackMeeting started Tue Aug  8 21:03:43 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is b1airo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:03
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:03
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'scientific_wg'21:03
b1airo#chair martial21:04
openstackCurrent chairs: b1airo martial21:04
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b1airohi armstrong21:04
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b1airolet's give oneswig another minute or two - i'm just in the process of getting some breakfast (7am here)21:05
b1airohi priteau21:05
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martialblair: stig is not coming tonight I believe (from his email)21:05
martial#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#IRC_Meeting_August_8th_201721:05
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martialThe topics of interest tonight are listed above21:06
b1airoah ok, haven't read email yet21:06
martial#topic Supercomputing 201721:06
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martialFYI, the BoF application was submitted21:06
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b1airoyep, fingers crossed21:07
b1airoin the process of submitting i realised we had not done a writeup from SC16 (which we said we would)21:08
b1airohi rbudden21:08
martialhello Robert21:08
rbuddensorry i’m a bit late, working on our Ocata upgrade21:09
martialsounds fun :)21:09
martialblairo: cool, thanks for that21:09
martialblairo: what is the deadline for approval?21:09
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b1airoi have started this wiki page as a place to distill down some HPC with OpenStack related notes:21:10
b1airo#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HPC21:10
b1airoi think they are aiming to have approvals done by early september21:10
martialokay crossing our fingers :)21:12
martial#topic Update to the Scientific OpenStack book21:12
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martialso a v2 is in discussion21:12
hogepodgeo/ (sorry I'm late)21:13
b1airois hogepodge around21:13
b1airoah, hey there!21:13
rbuddengood timing ;)21:13
martialwe are calling everybody interested to reach out21:13
martialknowing that there is an unmovable non-negotiable hard deadline of content being completed by September 2921:13
rbuddendid we decide on just an update to the book or are we adding new content?21:13
hogepodgeSo Kathy is back working for the Foundation part time, and she's interested in helping release v2 of the book.21:13
martialand Mr Hoge can tell us more about this particular topic21:13
hogepodgeWe can do anything we want, as long as the September 29 deadline for final content (no changes at all) is met.21:14
martialand this book would be available at the Sydney meeting as well as SC1721:14
hogepodgeDefinitely SC 17, since Sydney is so close probably that. I'll double check and make sure.21:15
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hogepodgeIt may push the deadline up by about a week.21:15
hogepodgeKathy is collecting the raw resources for me right now, and I will share them in an etherpad.21:15
b1airowe were loosely thinking: update existing content and add a couple of new chapters21:15
martialI am reaching out to a couple people to provide extra content if at all possible21:16
b1airoe.g one on federation21:16
hogepodge#link Working document to organize resources https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/scientific-computing-book-update-201721:16
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hogepodgeI've added the latest info from Kathy into the doc. It looks like she's planning for a November release, I'll check back for Summit release since we'll have loads of events there too.21:18
priteauWe could provide an update from Chameleon. Hopefully by then Blazar might have become an official project!21:18
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martialsweet, thanks21:18
martialpierre, looking forward to that section :)21:18
rbuddeni’m hoping to have some good updates with our skip level upgrade to Ocata21:18
rbuddenpossibly Ironic w/Neutron integration if all goes well!21:19
priteauWe're going to look into multi-tenant bare-metal networking21:19
priteaurbudden: Is that what you want to try, or just plain flat shared network?21:20
rbuddenstill just flat shared network, but we have some use cases if we can use Neutron to give floating IPs to private computes for the duration of a job21:20
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rbuddeni.e. have Slurm prologue talk to Neutron and give a node both ingress/egress21:20
rbuddeni’m not sure the state of that though21:21
rbuddeni can let you know in the next couple of days ;)21:21
martialrobert/all, please update the etherpad with a chapter proposal if at all possible21:21
b1airosounds good!21:21
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martialanything else to know on this topic Mr Hoge?21:22
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martialPeople, feel free to continue extending the etherpad21:22
martial#topic Request for a SuperUser guest post - volunteers please21:23
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martialI think the subject says it all :)21:23
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hogepodgeI'll be managing the updates, so expect lots of pushing from me. :-D Thanks everybody!21:24
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martialMr Hoge, I expect people ought to add contact information on the Etherpad then?21:24
hogepodgeyes please21:25
hogepodgemartial: +121:25
b1airohi StefanPaetowJisc - long time no see!21:26
b1airoyour nick appears to be too long for hexchat to auto-complete :-)21:26
b1airoor could be because he disconnected - need to increase my font size...21:27
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martial#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/scientific-computing-superuserguestpost-201721:27
martialI created an etherpad for that guest post21:27
b1airomartial, do we know what we are looking for?21:27
b1airojust anything Science+OpenStack ?21:27
martialI do not have more data on this topic I confess21:28
martialwhich is why I created the etherpad to allow people to write a small abstract21:28
martialand we can work with the UC to decide what they want/need out of it?21:28
priteauIs it one story about one use cases, or one story about many use cases?21:28
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martialpriteau: I apologize, I do not know21:29
martialStefanPaetowJi-1: welcome back21:29
StefanPaetowJi-1Apologies folks... Connection issues. :-/21:30
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rockygboy, do I hear ya21:31
martialas I wrote on the etherpad for the proposal: "Please add contact information, the topic (related to Scientific + OpenStack) and abstract that are covered in your potential post"21:32
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martialhopefully this ought to allow people to come up with --good-- crazy ideas :)21:33
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martialand last topic for the day21:33
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armstrongpriteau: Asked a question above ==> Is it one story about one use cases, or one story about many use cases?21:34
martial#topic User Committee nominations21:34
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martialpierre: I do not have this information, we will try to get some clarification and update the Etherpad if at all possible when we have it21:35
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martialis there anyone in our community who might be interested in serving on the User Committee?21:36
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armstrongI might be interested but want to be sure of how I will be useful21:37
rbuddenmartial: any link to what the job entails?21:37
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armstrongwhat are they working on?21:37
rbudden+1 i’d be interested in details. I have no idea if I’d even be a fit for helping21:37
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martialthere was a post on the UC ML, Nominations are open till the 11th21:38
martiallet me find the link21:38
b1airo#link https://www.openstack.org/foundation/user-committee/21:38
rbuddenthx b1airo21:38
martialor rely on blair :)21:38
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b1airothis working group falls under the UC in terms of governance21:38
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armstrongOK thanks for that information21:39
b1airoso the UC members are there to look after the governance side of things for OpenStack User representation and to ensure working groups / teams / SIGs etc are empowered and healthy21:39
b1airothe UC also has a seat on the board I think21:40
b1airomore detail - #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/UserCommittee21:41
martialI am trying to find the original call for candidacy in the ML archive21:41
martial(ah here it is, August 4th: "[User-committee] UC candidacy")21:42
rockyglook for mrhillsman21:42
rockyghe posted it.  And/or Shilla21:42
b1airoi think given the high numbers of scientific openstack deployments and broad base of this WG it'd be nice to have continuous representation for the community at that level21:43
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rockygSo, you gonna run, b1airo ?21:43
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b1airozioproto has nominated, so that's one active scientific-wg participant who has put their hand up21:43
StefanPaetowJiscInteresting, given that EOSC and things like eMedLab may be large OS deployments21:43
StefanPaetowJiscI'll happily second zioproto. He's good with this21:44
b1airorockyg, i would be interested, but i need an overcommitment reality-check21:44
mrhillsmanheard my name21:44
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b1airohi mrhillsman21:44
rockygOriginal posting of the call for nominations for UC, mrhillsman21:44
b1airoi think we can probably move on to AOB...21:47
b1airo#topic Other Business21:47
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StefanPaetowJiscI have some other busines21:47
StefanPaetowJiscSome GoodNews(tm)21:47
b1airoperhaps we are about to find our SuperUser post...21:47
StefanPaetowJiscFor El Capitan (and possibly earlier) versions of macOS, we have a barebones Moonshot Mac client21:48
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b1airocool! what can it do?21:48
martial#topic AOB21:48
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StefanPaetowJiscIt's the *really* basic version and it only works with non-domain-linked Mac systems, but this may be of use for those who want to play with OpenStack and 'Moonshot' authn.21:49
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StefanPaetowJiscIt's embarrassing to say that it's taken me 5 months to get to this point (zioproto and others may recall me not being very 'present' at the Milan mid-cycle ops meetup because I was fighting with Mac's version of Heimdal)21:49
StefanPaetowJiscbut I'm not a dev, so for me this has been a journey to hell and back.21:50
b1airocharacter building21:50
StefanPaetowJiscThe hope is that once all the little bits and pieces are resolved, you should be able to do non-web (i.e. CLI) SSO into the OS tools, and possibly OS instances, provided they've been set up for Moonshot AuthN.21:51
rockyga once in a lifetime experience, you hope;-)21:51
b1airothat sounds neat for sure21:51
b1airois there already a Keystone extension for this?21:51
StefanPaetowJiscBy extension, this will help projects like the Fedushare project in the US, that is working on a SAML-ECP version of SSO, which will make a *lot* of people happy21:52
StefanPaetowJiscKeystone apparently supports GSSAPI21:52
b1airowho knew!?21:52
StefanPaetowJiscbut whether it supports multitrip GSSAPI authn is another question. That was what I *wanted* to work on the last 5 months after chatting to Adam and others in Barcelona21:52
rockygso, this would make a great forum topic....21:52
StefanPaetowJiscBut then... Heimdal intervened. And then OpenSSL (macOS only does OSSL 0.9.8 as a backward compatibility thing). They may use LibreSSL... so this will be a featurette in our future stream (to build against LibreSSL as well).21:53
b1airoagreed rockyg21:54
StefanPaetowJiscLots of blind alleys. Dark back streets. Bad coding practices. Bad assumptions. And lots of (patient) help from an Australian jazz musician (and macOS aficionado).21:54
b1airoi'd have given up and built a container within about 30s i think21:54
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StefanPaetowJiscWell, the option was to use a VM, yes... (with tunnelling via...)21:55
StefanPaetowJiscBut that's just playing silly buggers.21:55
rockygIf you do a forum topic, with a quick demo to start, you can get more folks to work on it and Keystone folks to help integrate and test, maybe.21:55
StefanPaetowJiscSorry, forum topic? (I'm clueless with some of these things).21:56
b1airo#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum21:56
StefanPaetowJiscThere's an Etherpad *somewhere* (I'll have to dig up the URL) that describes the GSSAPI usecase a bit more...21:56
rockygForum at the Summit (Sydney).  A good place to provide info, status, and get help21:57
StefanPaetowJisc*ahem* I asked my management if I could go to Sydney. The answer was... negative.21:57
rockygIf you get a forum session, you can ask for support....21:57
StefanPaetowJiscWhen the next summit/conference comes to Europe, they'll sign off on it :-)21:57
rockygfrom the foundation, that is.21:58
hogepodgeWith time running out, real-time update from Kathy regarding the book. Deadline is Sept 22. Please put your contact information in the etherpad to help me manage the book production.21:58
martial10-4 hogepodge21:58
b1airohogepodge, we'll make a ML post to try and get attention from folks not here today21:58
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b1airolet's close this up21:59
hogepodge(sorry to topic hijack)21:59
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openstackMeeting ended Tue Aug  8 21:59:33 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)21:59
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martialhogepodge: no worries, it is good for us all to know those things21:59
b1airoStefanPaetowJisc, did you see we have a dedicated channel now21:59
StefanPaetowJiscNo, I didn't... Sorry, I've not attended sci-wg meetings over this development thing22:00
StefanPaetowJiscooooo, excellent22:00
StefanPaetowJiscHave added it to my auto-join list!22:00
priteauBye all!22:01
rbuddentty later everyone!22:01
b1airothanks all for joining!22:01
StefanPaetowJiscThanks for that, Blair. Much appreciated22:01
StefanPaetowJiscBye guys!22:01
armstrongand bye22:01
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StefanPaetowJiscI'll try and see if I can get a forum topic done...22:02
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StefanPaetowJiscCya. Gotta go.22:04
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