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| ekcs | #startmeeting congressteammeeting | 00:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 17 00:01:25 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekcs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:01 |
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| ekcs | hi all! as usual, the collaborative topics list for the meeting is here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-meeting-topics | 00:02 |
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| ekcs | feel free to add/comment | 00:02 |
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| thinrichs | Hi all. | 00:09 |
| thinrichs | (Sorry I'm late. Got to leave early too.) | 00:10 |
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| ekcs | oh hi thinrichs ! | 00:11 |
| ekcs | ramineni on vacation this week and masahito may be traveling. | 00:11 |
| thinrichs | Ok | 00:12 |
| ekcs | so we can spend some time talking or just catch up next week. | 00:12 |
| thinrichs | Either way. I only have 15min or so. | 00:15 |
| ekcs | ok. well. I’ve been dropping down thoughts in the PTG etherpad. | 00:17 |
| ekcs | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-ptg-queens | 00:17 |
| ekcs | I think in the past few cycles we had clear deficiencies and problems to work on. | 00:17 |
| ekcs | at this point though, I feel we may need to consider higher level directions to inform our lower level priorities. | 00:18 |
| ekcs | your input would be super helpful. | 00:18 |
| ekcs | that’s one thing I wanted to bring to your attention. | 00:19 |
| thinrichs | I think it'd be valuable to start targeting specific use-cases that folks have and solve them end-to-end. | 00:20 |
| thinrichs | We're doing that to some extent with the policy library and remediating problems. | 00:20 |
| thinrichs | Talking to Bryan from ATT and to NFV operators as you suggest could point to real pain points | 00:21 |
| thinrichs | There's also the suggested use-case around configuration invariants that came up a couple weeks back. | 00:22 |
| ekcs | right. | 00:23 |
| thinrichs | It may be a cycle where we spend a lot of time talking to people to understand what the major pain points in OpenStack are that we can help with. | 00:24 |
| thinrichs | One thing that was on my list for a long time is working to help people manage all the policy.json files. | 00:25 |
| thinrichs | Security groups is another popular one | 00:25 |
| ekcs | hmm good point about the possibility of focusing the cycle on that instead of features. | 00:25 |
| ekcs | For me I feel like there is a bit of a bifurcation between the traditional enterprise use cases and the NFV use cases. | 00:26 |
| ekcs | And I’d like to understand much better whether/where congress provides value in the NFV use cases. | 00:27 |
| thinrichs | That could be. It'd be fine to pick 1 class of use-cases and focus on that for a while. | 00:27 |
| thinrichs | Probably even smart to pick 1 class of use-cases | 00:28 |
| thinrichs | Or even better 1 use case | 00:28 |
| ekcs | hmm makes sense. | 00:29 |
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| ekcs | one way to break down the classes of use cases: | 00:32 |
| ekcs | 1. “human” policy kind of cases. | 00:33 |
| ekcs | 2. “fault-recovery” kind of cases | 00:33 |
| ekcs | I think congress was originally designed to address 1. | 00:33 |
| ekcs | but there have emerged many people interested in using congress for 2. | 00:33 |
| ekcs | and what use-case(s) we pick to focus on may depend on a better understanding of whether/where congress plays in 2. | 00:34 |
| ekcs | so I’m studying up on things and hopefully connecting with some people to have more context for PTG. | 00:36 |
| thinrichs | Talking to people who have ideas definitely sounds like a good plan. | 00:37 |
| thinrichs | (I'm not sure what 1 is — someone looking at violations in a dashboard?) | 00:37 |
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| ekcs | that’d be one case. I’m still formulating what it means really. but seems qualitatively diferent from the idea of | 00:40 |
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| ekcs | writing policy as a way to react to contingencies in a self-managing system. | 00:41 |
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| ekcs | ending meeting now. I’m available in #congress if anyone wants to talk! | 00:47 |
| ekcs | #endmeeting | 00:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 17 00:47:05 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:47 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-08-17-00.01.html | 00:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-08-17-00.01.txt | 00:47 |
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| zhenguo | #startmeeting mogan | 02:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 17 02:01:08 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zhenguo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 02:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 02:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: mogan)" | 02:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mogan' | 02:01 |
| zhenguo | liusheng, shaohe_feng, wanghao, litao__, Xinran, zhangyang: o/ | 02:01 |
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| zhangyang | o/ | 02:01 |
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| litao__ | o/ | 02:02 |
| Xinran | o/ | 02:02 |
| liusheng | o/ | 02:02 |
| wanghao_ | hi | 02:02 |
| zhenguo | as always, the agenda: | 02:02 |
| zhenguo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Mogan#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 02:02 |
| zhenguo | let's jump in | 02:02 |
| zhenguo | #topic announcements and reminders | 02:03 |
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| zhenguo | The default resource class has changed to baremetal in ironic instead of constructing with the properties | 02:03 |
| zhenguo | Which broke our gate, but we have already addressed it, you may find the change in your new devstack env | 02:03 |
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| liusheng | thanks for fixing that | 02:04 |
| zhenguo | hah | 02:04 |
| litao__ | zhenguo: great | 02:04 |
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| zhenguo | We have replaced the default_availability_zone with default_scheduled_zone, so and ironic node will not have a default avaiability zone if you don't add it to the aggregate | 02:05 |
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| zhenguo | the default scheduled zone is None, and we don't filter it when scheudling | 02:05 |
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| wanghao_ | so you can't create the server before you add the nodes to aggregate, doesn't? | 02:06 |
| zhenguo | no | 02:06 |
| zhenguo | the default scheduled zone is None | 02:07 |
| zhenguo | which means we can choose any node | 02:07 |
| zhenguo | regardless of the az it in | 02:07 |
| wanghao_ | ok | 02:07 |
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| zhenguo | wanghao_: seems we didn't send out our weekly report durning last two weeks :( | 02:07 |
| zhenguo | wanghao_: when you are busy, maybe litao__ and liusheng can help :D | 02:08 |
| wanghao_ | zhenguo: yes, sorry for that, I send this weekly report this morning! | 02:08 |
| wanghao_ | zhenguo: sure, shame on me :( | 02:09 |
| zhenguo | wanghao_: hah | 02:09 |
| liusheng | yes, sure, thaks for wanghao doing that | 02:09 |
| liusheng | we others can also help if wanghao are busy :) | 02:09 |
| litao__ | sure | 02:09 |
| zhenguo | wanghao_: oh, just found the report mail, thanks | 02:09 |
| wanghao_ | zhenguo: :) | 02:09 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: morning | 02:10 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: o/ | 02:10 |
| zhenguo | ok, pike release is due soon, we will create the branch by the end of this month | 02:10 |
| shaohe_feng | great | 02:11 |
| zhenguo | seems requirements has cut the pike release, so our pike branch will not get update from requirements then | 02:11 |
| zhenguo | ok, anything else? | 02:12 |
| zhenguo | the openstack client keyword :D | 02:12 |
| zhenguo | which do you perfer | 02:13 |
| zhenguo | *prefer | 02:13 |
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| zhenguo | liusheng, wanghao_,litao__, shaohe_feng? | 02:14 |
| wanghao_ | what are the options? I forgot them... | 02:14 |
| zhenguo | hah | 02:14 |
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| litao__ | zhenguo: baremetalcomptue | 02:15 |
| zhenguo | first I think we should choose one from baremetal and baremachine | 02:15 |
| zhenguo | if we want to keep baremetal | 02:15 |
| zhenguo | we need to add another word with it | 02:15 |
| wanghao_ | I want to keep baremetal | 02:15 |
| zhenguo | litao__: +1 | 02:15 |
| zhenguo | wanghao: +1 | 02:16 |
| wanghao_ | baremetalcompute sounds good | 02:16 |
| liusheng | baremetalcompute is not a normal word | 02:16 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: we don't need normal work | 02:16 |
| zhenguo | *word | 02:16 |
| wanghao_ | baremetalcompute | 02:17 |
| litao__ | liusheng: baremetal is combination of bare and metal | 02:17 |
| wanghao_ | or baremetal_compute | 02:17 |
| zhenguo | yes, I also find other project use combination to avoid colisions | 02:17 |
| liusheng | yes, but baremetal is a common useage, baremetalcompute not | 02:17 |
| liusheng | you can google it | 02:17 |
| liusheng | and also baremachine | 02:18 |
| zhenguo | after we use it, it will become famous maybe, lol | 02:18 |
| liusheng | the meaning is same with baremetal | 02:18 |
| liusheng | hah | 02:18 |
| zhenguo | I still don't quite like baremachine | 02:19 |
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| liusheng | :) | 02:19 |
| wanghao_ | since nova use compute in openstackclient, baremetal_compute means we support baremetal compute. | 02:19 |
| shaohe_feng | baremetal looks good for me | 02:20 |
| wanghao_ | liusheng: baremachine is not common in opentack at least. | 02:20 |
| litao__ | yes, baremachine is same to baremetal actually | 02:20 |
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| zhenguo | yes, I like to keep baremetal as well | 02:20 |
| liusheng | ok | 02:20 |
| zhenguo | but do you like baremetalcompute or baremetal_compute | 02:20 |
| wanghao_ | baremetal: Ironic, compute: Nove, baremetal_compute: Mogan boom! | 02:21 |
| zhenguo | I find zun use containerapp to avoid collisions with magnum | 02:21 |
| litao__ | I | 02:21 |
| zhenguo | lol | 02:21 |
| shaohe_feng | baremetal_compute | 02:21 |
| zhenguo | is it easy to type "_" ? | 02:22 |
| zhenguo | hah | 02:22 |
| wanghao_ | I do some checks in openstackclient, seems no client use '_' | 02:23 |
| zhenguo | yes | 02:23 |
| litao__ | I like baremetalcompute | 02:23 |
| wanghao_ | baremetalcompute I'm ok with both. | 02:23 |
| zhenguo | hah, ok | 02:24 |
| wanghao_ | zhenguo: your call, you can have a decision. | 02:24 |
| zhenguo | we can make descision during next meeting | 02:24 |
| litao__ | yes, Its tendency is to remove “-“, If we use it , it is strange. | 02:24 |
| zhenguo | litao__: +1 | 02:25 |
| wanghao_ | we can make a vote qucikly for it. | 02:25 |
| wanghao_ | baremetalcompute +1 | 02:25 |
| zhenguo | hah | 02:25 |
| zhenguo | +1 | 02:25 |
| litao__ | +1 | 02:25 |
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| zhenguo | but I prefer to keep the current keyworkd for a week, replacing it is easy :D | 02:26 |
| wanghao_ | that's sure | 02:26 |
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| zhenguo | ok, let's move on | 02:27 |
| zhenguo | Contribution into mogan for the last 30 days | 02:27 |
| zhenguo | #link http://stackalytics.com/report/contribution/mogan/30 | 02:27 |
| zhenguo | thanks all for the contributions | 02:28 |
| zhenguo | and again, please do more reviews | 02:28 |
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| wanghao_ | en sure | 02:28 |
| zhenguo | thanks! | 02:28 |
| litao__ | come on | 02:29 |
| zhenguo | Xinran: besides coding, I would like you to learn to do reviews, it's more interesting :D | 02:29 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng can mentor you | 02:30 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: sure. | 02:30 |
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| zhenguo | hah, ok anything else? | 02:30 |
| Xinran | zhenguo, hah ok | 02:30 |
| zhenguo | Xinran: thanks | 02:30 |
| shaohe_feng | maybe be I can reserve some time review code with Xinran | 02:30 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: sounds good | 02:31 |
| zhenguo | ok, let's move on | 02:31 |
| Xinran | shaohe_feng, thanks for carry me hah | 02:31 |
| zhenguo | #topic task tracking | 02:31 |
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| zhenguo | #links https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MoganWhiteBoard | 02:32 |
| zhenguo | looks like things are moving along nicely | 02:32 |
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| zhenguo | I added a task to support another type of serial console, socat | 02:33 |
| zhenguo | and we will support vnc console later for some specific hardeare drivers | 02:34 |
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| litao__ | zhenguo: great | 02:35 |
| wanghao_ | those will be supported in Pike? | 02:35 |
| litao__ | I think no much time left | 02:36 |
| zhenguo | socat will be supported in Pike | 02:36 |
| zhenguo | wil finish by the end of this week | 02:36 |
| wanghao_ | got it | 02:36 |
| liusheng | awesome | 02:36 |
| zhenguo | boot from voluem can be move to next cycle | 02:37 |
| litao__ | awesome，hah | 02:37 |
| zhenguo | hah | 02:37 |
| zhenguo | I think we only have scheuling for server group and managing running servers before pike | 02:37 |
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| zhenguo | and on client side, seems also many thinks to do | 02:38 |
| zhenguo | *things | 02:38 |
| liusheng | sounds good | 02:39 |
| liusheng | will finish the server group + schedule_hint work at most in next week | 02:40 |
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| zhenguo | liusheng: cool | 02:41 |
| wanghao | zhenguo: you can add client tasks in our etherpad, I can help if I am free. | 02:41 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: :) | 02:41 |
| zhenguo | wanghao: ok, thanks | 02:41 |
| wanghao | zhenguo: np | 02:41 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: seems we discussed to get ird of the flavor access uri | 02:42 |
| zhenguo | return it with flavors for admins, and use patch method for flavor to update it | 02:43 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: ok, not sure if Nova has saparated API interfaces for flavor zccess | 02:43 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: nova does | 02:43 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: oh, looks a bit redundant | 02:43 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: yes | 02:44 |
| zhenguo | anyone wants to take the task | 02:44 |
| liusheng | I can take it, but it is easy, if someone else what to take, feel free to take it | 02:45 |
| zhenguo | thanks | 02:45 |
| zhenguo | if someone else wants to do it please contact with liusheng :D | 02:45 |
| liusheng | hah, sure | 02:45 |
| zhenguo | maybe Xinran can have a try | 02:45 |
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| zhenguo | ok | 02:46 |
| zhenguo | litao__: how about the power action failed patch? | 02:46 |
| litao__ | zhenguo: sorry, I am offline for a while | 02:47 |
| zhenguo | litao__: ok, we can discuss later | 02:47 |
| litao__ | zhenguo: I have update the patch | 02:47 |
| shaohe_feng | Xinran: can you take it? it is not hard | 02:47 |
| zhenguo | litao__: just found it | 02:47 |
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| wanghao | me too, internal meeting. My task is will update the manage-existing patch according zhenguo's review. | 02:48 |
| zhenguo | wanghao: ok, thansk | 02:48 |
| wanghao | and we need some reviews on cinder client patch. | 02:48 |
| wanghao | I will test it ASAP. | 02:48 |
| zhenguo | wanghao: sure | 02:48 |
| zhenguo | another thing is about the server nics | 02:49 |
| liusheng | we will accept the cinder client patche firstly before Pike ? | 02:49 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: not sure | 02:49 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: ok | 02:49 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: another thing is about the server nics | 02:50 |
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| zhenguo | liusheng: do we need to return all network things to users | 02:51 |
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| liusheng | zhenguo: oh, the all network things include what ? | 02:51 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: and the meening of nics seems should be the ironic port | 02:51 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: network id, port_id, fixed_addresses, floating_ips,... | 02:52 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: seems currect it including these stuff | 02:52 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: * currently | 02:52 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: we have another API to return such things /states/networks | 02:53 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: oh, I see, you mean we can simplify the nics in response of server body ? | 02:54 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: yes, but not sure what should be returned | 02:54 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: and should we also return nic without neutron port associated | 02:55 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: nic is more about hardware | 02:55 |
| zhenguo | oh, seems not much time left | 02:56 |
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| liusheng | zhenguo: sounds reasonable, ok, we can disscuss later | 02:56 |
| zhenguo | we can continue this discussion later | 02:56 |
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| zhenguo | let's move on | 02:56 |
| zhenguo | #topic open discussion | 02:56 |
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| zhenguo | who's got a thing :) | 02:56 |
| zhenguo | ok, thanks everyone for joining the meeting! | 02:58 |
| zhenguo | #endmeeting | 02:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 17 02:58:20 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 02:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mogan/2017/mogan.2017-08-17-02.01.html | 02:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mogan/2017/mogan.2017-08-17-02.01.txt | 02:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mogan/2017/mogan.2017-08-17-02.01.log.html | 02:58 |
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| ianychoi | Hello. Anyone for today I18n meeting? | 13:00 |
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| eumel8 | yes | 13:00 |
| eumel8 | hello | 13:01 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, hello1 | 13:01 |
| eumel8 | :) | 13:01 |
| eumel8 | hello ianychoi | 13:01 |
| ianychoi | Hi :) | 13:01 |
| eumel8 | jftalta | 13:01 |
| jftalta | Hi ! | 13:01 |
| eumel8 | the core core team ;) | 13:01 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, oh hi! | 13:01 |
| ianychoi | Core core - haha :) | 13:02 |
| jftalta | just came back from vacation | 13:02 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, oh how was your vacation? | 13:02 |
| eumel8 | nice | 13:02 |
| jftalta | yes, nice, but a little bit cloudy ;) | 13:03 |
| ianychoi | :) Vacation is always good :) | 13:03 |
| eumel8 | the "old" problem - with clouds | 13:03 |
| ianychoi | Even weather has a "CLOUD"... | 13:03 |
| jftalta | eumel8, btw Congrats ! | 13:04 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, congrats :) jftalta plz reply to i18n mailing list :) | 13:04 |
| eumel8 | thx, jftalta | 13:04 |
| jftalta | ianychoi, I did it | 13:04 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, oh really sorry | 13:04 |
| eumel8 | maybe I have to start the meeting now. or ianychoi wants? | 13:05 |
| ianychoi | I have just seen it | 13:05 |
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| jftalta | ianychoi, no, non, don't be sorry. It was only a couple of minutes from now | 13:05 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, whatever, would you start? Note that I have slightly added: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/I18nTeamMeeting | 13:05 |
| eumel8 | got it | 13:06 |
| eumel8 | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 13:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 17 13:06:08 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eumel8. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 13:06 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 13:06 |
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| eumel8 | we have ianychoi, jftalta, eumel8 | 13:06 |
| eumel8 | anyone else? | 13:06 |
| ianychoi | yep :) | 13:06 |
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| eumel8 | #topic Checking current String Freeze status with Pike release | 13:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Checking current String Freeze status with Pike release (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 13:07 | |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: pls go ahead! | 13:07 |
| ianychoi | #link https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html | 13:07 |
| ianychoi | The next week Aug 21 - Aug 25 is for "Final RCs and intermediary releases". | 13:07 |
| ianychoi | Thanks to Horizon team - especially robcresswell, on next Monday or Tuesday, there will be Horizon RC2 with up-to date translation. | 13:08 |
| jpich | (I'm around too, sorry for the delay! o/) | 13:08 |
| jftalta | jpich, hello | 13:09 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: are there some feedback about the request to change the branch on openstack-dev? | 13:09 |
| ianychoi | I heard from him that currently lots of contribution are performed in master branch, not stable-pike branch. | 13:09 |
| eumel8 | hi jpich :) | 13:09 |
| ianychoi | jpich, oh hello! How was your vacation? :) | 13:09 |
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| jpich | ianychoi: It was awesome, thank you :) | 13:09 |
| eumel8 | side note: everyone was on vacation ... | 13:09 |
| jpich | haha. Hope everyone had a great time then! | 13:09 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, one feedback (feature request during soft stringfreeze) was from Cinder - smcginnis | 13:10 |
| smcginnis | What did I do? :) | 13:10 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: yes, saw it, I think | 13:10 |
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| ianychoi | smcginnis, oh sorry :) I reminded your feature freeze request replies in openstack-dev to I18n team. | 13:10 |
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| ianychoi | Since I18n team now has less priority on server projects, I agreed to approve such feature freeze request. | 13:11 |
| smcginnis | ianychoi: Oh right! I almost forgot about that. | 13:11 |
| eumel8 | sure | 13:11 |
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| ianychoi | smcginnis, and congrats for release mgmt. PTL :) I am sure that dealing with feature freeze requests would be related to releases. | 13:11 |
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| smcginnis | Thanks - probably true. ;) | 13:12 |
| amotoki | hi | 13:12 |
| ianychoi | Back to I18n team, we need to guide translators now to focus on stable-pike version, not master version. | 13:12 |
| eumel8 | we will see | 13:12 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, hi! | 13:12 |
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| eumel8 | hi amotoki | 13:12 |
| jftalta | amotoki, hi | 13:13 |
| amotoki | eumel8: now your turn :) congrats for PTL | 13:13 |
| ianychoi | Also, unfortunately, http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-i18n/2017-August/003035.html => zh-CN and zh-TW languages do not work unfortunately as far as I know. | 13:13 |
| jpich | For information, with regard to freezes and tripleo-ui (cycle-trailing), we have not cut RC1 yet so there is still some flux in the codebase and no stable/pike branch - but changes now are more likely to be new strings added due to Feature Freeze Exceptions, rather than string changes at this point | 13:13 |
| jpich | amotoki, hello | 13:13 |
| eumel8 | thx amotoki - this will be some hard work for me ;) | 13:13 |
| ianychoi | jpich, yep... I quite understand :) eumel8 - note that tripleo-ui follows cycle-training | 13:14 |
| amotoki | re zh-CN/TW issue, I believe the problem was fixed in master and stable/pike horizon | 13:14 |
| eumel8 | ok | 13:14 |
| amotoki | it is rather than a fix. it is just "revert" (of auto-generation of the lang list) | 13:14 |
| jpich | ianychoi: There are higher priority projects to translate right now so perhaps fair to leave cycle-trailing aside until it's a bit more stable :) I'll keep the team updated, when the new branch is created etc | 13:15 |
| ianychoi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-i18n/2017-August/003040.html | 13:15 |
| amotoki | jpich: +1 | 13:16 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, unfortunately there still might be some problems for zh-CN and zh-TW.. | 13:16 |
| amotoki | hmm... | 13:16 |
| ianychoi | jpich, thanks a lot for your kind update :) | 13:16 |
| amotoki | I can chat yuko tomorrow to clarify the detail | 13:16 |
| jpich | No problems! | 13:16 |
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| eumel8 | thx amotoki | 13:17 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, thanks a lot.. hope that more Chinese translators will investigate in it.. | 13:17 |
| amotoki | eumel8: do you still see the problem in your check site? | 13:17 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, yes when I check it about 5 hours ago. | 13:18 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, did you update your translate checksite with up to date sources from master? | 13:18 |
| amotoki | from my investigation and guess, there are two problems (eumel8's and ykatabam's) | 13:18 |
| eumel8 | amotoki: haven't updated yet. I want to wait for the RC2 next week | 13:18 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, now stable-pike and master has amotoki's latest revert patch. It would be great if you reflect up-to-date sources.. | 13:19 |
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| eumel8 | ok, will try it | 13:19 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, thanks a lot | 13:19 |
| amotoki | we are back to the manual maintenance of lang list now | 13:20 |
| eumel8 | Immediately :) | 13:20 |
| amotoki | i hope someone will take care of it | 13:20 |
| ianychoi | And also I appreciate all the kind contribution from translators - I see that so many translators are doing hard regarding string freezes | 13:20 |
| amotoki | recently I don't take care of translation progress anymore | 13:20 |
| ianychoi | I received a message from Turkish translators that they would focus on Turkish translations on last weekend. | 13:21 |
| jftalta | two new french translators last week :) | 13:21 |
| eumel8 | I catched our apprentice today :) | 13:22 |
| ianychoi | :) | 13:22 |
| jftalta | cool | 13:22 |
| eumel8 | turkish openstack is also really cool. it's growing up... | 13:23 |
| ianychoi | :) | 13:23 |
| eumel8 | so., next topic? | 13:23 |
| amotoki | one thing to note: neutron-lbaas-dashboard Pike RC1 looks broken. The table cannot be rendered (according to #-horizon channel) | 13:23 |
| ianychoi | Oh.. | 13:24 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: maybe you have some advices what we have to do next week regarding the RC2 | 13:24 |
| eumel8 | amotoki: what a pitty | 13:25 |
| ianychoi | #link https://docs.openstack.org/i18n/latest/release_management.html | 13:25 |
| ianychoi | Now It is suggested to complete translation work by Monday or Tuesday of the next - final RC week | 13:25 |
| amotoki | when does translation happen every day? | 13:26 |
| eumel8 | ok, then we have a hot weekend | 13:26 |
| ianychoi | That's all from now and we can write to i18n mailing list that translation on stable-pike version is highly encouraged. | 13:26 |
| amotoki | horizon team does nothing special. we just wait for regular translation import and merge it. | 13:26 |
| jftalta | ianychoi, +1 | 13:26 |
| ianychoi | After it, I will merge from master to stable-pike version, since it seems that now lots of translation are happened in master version, not stable-pike version. | 13:27 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, yep such translation sync job has been already prepared with eumel8 and me thanks to Andreas's help | 13:27 |
| amotoki | I think rob would like to cut RC2 with enough time margin. it means Tue or Wed will be RC2. | 13:27 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, agreed - I meant around next Tue. | 13:28 |
| eumel8 | ok, let's move on | 13:28 |
| eumel8 | #topic IRC agenda updating methods | 13:28 |
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| ianychoi | Currently, I18n team updates agenda on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/I18nTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 13:29 |
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| ianychoi | I just followed the same previous way what Daisy and katomo did and also Docs team & Infra team uses the same way | 13:29 |
| eumel8 | I think there are two proposal : the wiki, and the etherpad | 13:29 |
| ianychoi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 13:29 |
| ianychoi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/I18nTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 13:29 |
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| ianychoi | #undo | 13:30 |
| ianychoi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 13:30 |
| ianychoi | But.. with amotoki 's suggestion, using Etherpad might be an alternative idea. | 13:30 |
| amotoki | i think when katomo was PTL, etherpad was used IIRC | 13:30 |
| ianychoi | I have recently seen like: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-upstream-institute-meetings | 13:30 |
| amotoki | but meetings were not regularly held. | 13:31 |
| amotoki | i have no preference | 13:31 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, thanks for correction. | 13:31 |
| eumel8 | I saw also the etherpad way in other teams but they have a telko + etherpad. IRC + etherpad is for me a kind of duplicated | 13:31 |
| ianychoi | I also have no preference, but I want to listen to opinions from others :) | 13:31 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, which one do you prefer? :) | 13:32 |
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| jftalta | does not matter for me | 13:32 |
| amotoki | at some time ago, newcomers could not edit openstack wiki due to spammer, but I believe the problem has gone | 13:32 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: for me is the wiki page still the favorite. the only thing: you removed the previous topics in wiki? | 13:33 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, yes I did it.. but remaining previous topics might be a better idea? | 13:33 |
| eumel8 | don't know - you have still the notes from the irc bot | 13:33 |
| jftalta | it's cool to locate the information at a single place | 13:34 |
| eumel8 | it's also duplicated stuff if you held this also in wiki | 13:34 |
| ianychoi | Actually I really have no preference - I just followed the same way as Docs & Infra team. | 13:35 |
| eumel8 | haha, follow the white rabbit ;) | 13:35 |
| ianychoi | Personally, I browse previous meeting logs and it is fine for me to just see previous irc logs.. | 13:35 |
| amotoki | in neutron case, we don't keep the past agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings | 13:35 |
| amotoki | but it depends on a volume of the page | 13:36 |
| ianychoi | :) | 13:36 |
| ianychoi | If anyone has special preference, we can do AS-IS :) | 13:36 |
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| ianychoi | Or if someone has a preference, we can try to follow it :) | 13:36 |
| eumel8 | new communication channels were also a topic in the past for us. If we still use IRC, I would prefer wiki as announcement and links for the meeting | 13:36 |
| ianychoi | I see :) | 13:37 |
| ianychoi | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/irc-meetings/tree/meetings/i18N-team-meeting.yaml | 13:37 |
| amotoki | as non meeting chair, when I edit the page, I keep the current contents and just add something. | 13:37 |
| ianychoi | This is the current I18n team meeting chair and time information. | 13:37 |
| ianychoi | Hmm, if anyone has no preference, let's move to next topic and discuss it later. | 13:39 |
| amotoki | i am okay with any way as long as we aren't confused and have a single way :) | 13:39 |
| eumel8 | okay, I think we are fine at the moment. No changes too much ;) | 13:39 |
| ianychoi | I did not want to more focus on this topic too much.. | 13:39 |
| amotoki | :) | 13:39 |
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| eumel8 | #topic PTG planning Queens September 11-15th 2017, Denver | 13:39 |
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| eumel8 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/denver-i18n-PTG | 13:39 |
| eumel8 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTG/Queens/Etherpads | 13:40 |
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| eumel8 | okay, maybe you've already heard from the PTG in Denver starting in 4 weeks | 13:40 |
| jftalta | who will be in Denver ? | 13:41 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi prepared a etherpad for us and the second link is a main link of all events | 13:41 |
| eumel8 | that's a good question | 13:41 |
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| ianychoi | Note that Docs team and I18n team will use the same room AFAIK | 13:41 |
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| amotoki | I will be there and join i18n sessions when there is no other prioritized ones | 13:42 |
| amotoki | (as usual) | 13:42 |
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| ianychoi | There might be several topics with Docs + I18n team - at least, how to support translations after doc migration - for example, migrated networking-guide. | 13:43 |
| jpich | I'll be in Denver - not primarily for i18n but I hope to attend sessions as I can :) | 13:43 |
| amotoki | I added some topics related to doc-migration around L.33 in the etherpad page | 13:43 |
| amotoki | but I am not sure I can join the session | 13:43 |
| eumel8 | I think I will be there | 13:44 |
| ianychoi | Oh so great...! | 13:44 |
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| jftalta | cool :) | 13:44 |
| amotoki | I believe eumel8 coordinate doc translation topic :) | 13:44 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, would u do that? It would be so great - Docs & I18n team can collaborate together :) | 13:45 |
| amotoki | I believe ianychoi and I can help sharing the current topics around doc-migration and translations. | 13:45 |
| ianychoi | Sure :) | 13:46 |
| eumel8 | at first we infiltrate the infra team to install the translation check site. I asked andymccr already :) | 13:46 |
| eumel8 | and doc team and i18n team goes together, that's clear | 13:46 |
| jftalta | and efficient | 13:47 |
| ianychoi | Great :) eumel8: I mainly used reservable rooms to discuss with Infra team with appointment: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-August/121213.html | 13:47 |
| eumel8 | I will work on the agenda till the weekend so there is a plan what we have to do there | 13:47 |
| amotoki | nice | 13:47 |
| ianychoi | Great! | 13:48 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: thanks, I saw the message also. Additional room is a good idea | 13:48 |
| amotoki | or you can visit infra/QA room | 13:48 |
| ianychoi | Yep :) | 13:48 |
| eumel8 | okay, then we have an impression and will talk about the PTG next week | 13:49 |
| ianychoi | +1 | 13:49 |
| eumel8 | #topic Policy work in Queens | 13:49 |
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| amotoki | or a joint session with docs/infra/i18n teams. I believe we have topics across all three prijects | 13:49 |
| eumel8 | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-August/120607.html | 13:49 |
| amotoki | sorry for polutting the topic ;( | 13:49 |
| eumel8 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/policy-queens-ptg | 13:49 |
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| eumel8 | np | 13:49 |
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| eumel8 | a new thing is coming up from the foundation | 13:50 |
| eumel8 | Policy work | 13:50 |
| eumel8 | there will be also support on the PTG | 13:50 |
| amotoki | how is it related to i18n? I am not sure. | 13:50 |
| eumel8 | but I have no idea what that mean for us :-) | 13:50 |
| amotoki | as API guy in the neutron team I need to lead this in the team though | 13:51 |
| eumel8 | amotoki: thats the question. Maybe it's related to Zanata and the different roles there | 13:51 |
| ianychoi | I think the policy would be less related.. | 13:51 |
| ianychoi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445766/ | 13:52 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, I think updating like this would be a good idea to appropriately respond to the goal. | 13:52 |
| eumel8 | thx ianychoi | 13:52 |
| amotoki | with 90% confidences, we have no service, so it is not related to the i18n team | 13:52 |
| amotoki | it is the effort to convert policy.json in service projects into in-code policy defintions | 13:53 |
| ianychoi | Note that I originally wanted to propose a "i18n:follows-policy" tag like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445536/ and I wanted tripleo-ui to follow the policy with the agreement from jpich assuming I18n cross project works well. | 13:53 |
| eumel8 | I would reserve a very small slot with the foundation to explain that. Maybe there are more opinions or ideas. | 13:53 |
| jftalta | hard work... | 13:53 |
| ianychoi | Such kind of encouraging a policy for I18n would have higher priority in I18n team. | 13:54 |
| jpich | I agree with amotoki about the policy session | 13:54 |
| jpich | ianychoi: +1! | 13:54 |
| amotoki | ianychoi: how is it related to the policy work in Queens? | 13:54 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, as far as I know, such policy work was affected from docs-migration. | 13:55 |
| amotoki | ianychoi: could you elaborate more? | 13:55 |
| amotoki | I am confused | 13:55 |
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| ianychoi | Now I think it is a good timing for I18n to also emphasize "i18n:follows-policy" tag | 13:55 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, the current community goal is not related to I18n team. | 13:56 |
| amotoki | ianychoi: I think that's a different policy | 13:56 |
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| amotoki | "policy-in-code" is the policy framework provided by oslo.policy | 13:56 |
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| jpich | I think the Policy etherpad is policy as in "API permissions for accessing services programmatically" (handled by Keystone), not about written policies for project governance | 13:56 |
| amotoki | it is not a policy defined by TC | 13:57 |
| jpich | What amotoki said :-) | 13:57 |
| amotoki | thanks for more understandable description, jpich :) | 13:57 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: mhm, would you write your ideas on a etherpad or e-mail? So we can catch this during PTG | 13:57 |
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| ianychoi | What I meant was that documenting a policy might be somewhat affected from doc-migration | 13:58 |
| ianychoi | Policy in code itself is not related to I18n too much from my understanding. | 13:58 |
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| amotoki | ianychoi: i wonder how policy-in-code and doc-migration are related... | 13:59 |
| eumel8 | okay, guys, lot's of topics today and lot's of discussion. but we are at the end. | 13:59 |
| amotoki | eumel8: if we talk about "policy-in-code" topic, you can assign me as a contact | 13:59 |
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| ianychoi | amotoki, I simply thought that "documenting default policy in code" emphasizes each project team to document more.. | 13:59 |
| eumel8 | ok, thanks a lot for all, you can discuss in i18n further :) | 14:00 |
| amotoki | ianychoi: got it | 14:00 |
| ianychoi | :) | 14:00 |
| jpich | Thanks eumel8 :) | 14:00 |
| eumel8 | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:00 | |
| ianychoi | Thanks a lot, eumel8! | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 17 14:00:26 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-08-17-13.06.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-08-17-13.06.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-08-17-13.06.log.html | 14:00 |
| jftalta | thanx, goodbye, see you | 14:00 |
| amotoki | eumel8: thanks! | 14:00 |
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| jamemcc | #startmeeting LCOO | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 17 14:01:21 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jamemcc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: LCOO)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'lcoo' | 14:01 |
| jamemcc | Hi - anyone here for LCOO meeting | 14:01 |
| zhouyaguo | hi, jamey | 14:02 |
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| shintaro | hi | 14:02 |
| jamemcc | Hi | 14:02 |
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| jamemcc | zhouyagou - please introduce yourself and your organization | 14:03 |
| zhouyaguo | ok. | 14:03 |
| AndyU | Hi All o/ | 14:03 |
| zhouyaguo | Hi, everyone, this is Yaguo Zhou from China UnionPay, hello from Shanghai, China. :) | 14:04 |
| shintaro | hi zhouyaguo | 14:04 |
| AndyU | Hi. I'm Andy Ukasick from AT&T living in Wisconsin, USA. | 14:05 |
| AndyU | Welcome :) | 14:05 |
| zhouyaguo | thx, Andy. | 14:06 |
| jamemcc | #topic IRC for Meetings | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "IRC for Meetings (Meeting topic: LCOO)" | 14:06 | |
| jamemcc | We are talking on the audio bridge and now here on the topic of IRC for LCOO metings - at least fo rthis general coordination meeeting. | 14:06 |
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| jamemcc | Its pointed out that for OPNFV they do this AUdio and Wiki and IRC | 14:09 |
| jamemcc | But for the IRC use its really only to capture the action items and URLS for later | 14:09 |
| shintaro | #link https://openstack-lcoo.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/LCOO/pages/14652145/2017.08.17+LCOO+General | 14:10 |
| shintaro | here is the agenda | 14:10 |
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| AndyU | zhauyaguo, please create an account and join here if you have not already done so: https://openstack-lcoo.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/LCOO | 14:15 |
| jamemcc | #agreed to continue simulataneous IRC with this meeting | 14:16 |
| jamemcc | #topic Specialization-Extreme Testing | 14:16 |
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| zhouyaguo | Andy, i already have an account :) | 14:16 |
| AndyU | The same account will also give you full access to a related Jira site: https://openstack-lcoo.atlassian.net/secure/Dashboard.jspa | 14:17 |
| AndyU | ok, great. what is your email or account name? I'll make sure you have full access. | 14:18 |
| jamemcc | Being related thatis seems that Extreme Testing is going well following the development proposal process. | 14:18 |
| jamemcc | Sampath frmo NTT and Gautam from AT&T with Sundar help meeting weekly and producing deliverables. | 14:18 |
| jamemcc | Emphasis is to keep the scop extrmeely simple and make the why and what extremely simple but will be useful. | 14:19 |
| zhouyaguo | Andy, my email is zhouyaguo@unionpay.com | 14:19 |
| shintaro | They had a good discussion at the OpsMeetup. Explained the scope to other operators and had a good reaction from attendees. Just need to market our activity to wider community. | 14:20 |
| AndyU | ok, thanks. I saw two accounts, that one and another @gmail.com. Should I deactivate the gmail.com account? | 14:20 |
| shintaro | Good discussion on the operators ML. | 14:21 |
| jamemcc | Hoping to have phase 1 scope ready to share out - all deliverables clear by end of next week. | 14:21 |
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| shintaro | jamemcc: great! | 14:21 |
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| zhouyaguo | andy, oh, sorry, deactivate gmail account pls. | 14:22 |
| jamemcc | #agreed once the structure/vision/deliverables is done bring it as a SIG proposal | 14:23 |
| jamemcc | #action Jamey Bring to SIG once ready | 14:24 |
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| jamemcc | #topic Announcements | 14:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: LCOO)" | 14:31 | |
| AndyU | @zhouyagou your account is all set. Go here and 'edit' the page. When you do it will be like an etherpad. https://openstack-lcoo.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/LCOO/pages/14652145/2017.08.17+LCOO+General | 14:31 |
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| jamemcc | IRC Rules | 14:32 |
| jamemcc | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2017/uc.2017-08-14-18.02.html | 14:32 |
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| AndyU | Should we call you 'Zhou'? | 14:32 |
| AndyU | We're at agenda item 2.1 | 14:33 |
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| zhouyaguo | ok.thank u, andy. Zhou is my last name, call me Yaguo :) | 14:34 |
| AndyU | Great. Hi Yagou! :) | 14:34 |
| zhouyaguo | :) | 14:36 |
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| AndyU | Yaguo - type'@' followed by your name in the name section of the page and then it will find your account to select | 14:39 |
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| zhouyaguo | andy - cool | 14:41 |
| jamemcc | Talking now about who is attending PTG - there will be communicaty members from all LCOO organizations | 14:41 |
| shintaro | 5 members from my team is going to PTG | 14:42 |
| jamemcc | Talking also about upcoming Open-Dev conference. Botth AT&T and NTT sending staff. | 14:42 |
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| AndyU | We've moved to agenda item 2.2 - There is a meeting planned for August 30th between the leaders/executives of our lcoo member companies | 14:47 |
| jamemcc | #topic Stakeholders Meeting AUgust 31 | 14:47 |
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| AndyU | To discuss current company priorities & strategy for openstack | 14:48 |
| jamemcc | There will be a meeting August 31 for the Stakeholders form each LCOO organization to share status and direction with each other | 14:48 |
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| AndyU | @Yaguo - If your company would like to join, please coordinate with Jamemcc | 14:53 |
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| AndyU | aka Jamey McCabe | 14:53 |
| jamemcc | #topic Future of LCOO | 14:53 |
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| jamemcc | It is 1 year for our group and a good time to adapt our approach form what we started with. | 14:54 |
| jamemcc | Some things have not come out as we originally envisioned and other opportunities e.g. SIG is now available. | 14:55 |
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| zhouyaguo | andy - ok, i'd like to join. | 14:56 |
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| jamemcc | Suggestions welcome from anyone. | 14:57 |
| jamemcc | Proposal to have LCOO turn into more of a monthly sharing session is being discussed. | 14:59 |
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| jamemcc | THanks for attendance today | 15:00 |
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| jamemcc | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 17 15:00:28 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/lcoo/2017/lcoo.2017-08-17-14.01.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/lcoo/2017/lcoo.2017-08-17-14.01.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/lcoo/2017/lcoo.2017-08-17-14.01.log.html | 15:00 |
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| andreaf | #startmeeting qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 17 17:00:33 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is andreaf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:00 |
| andreaf | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_August_17th_2017_.281700_UTC.29 Today's agenda | 17:00 |
| andreaf | o/ | 17:00 |
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| andreaf | who's here today for the meeting? | 17:01 |
| oomichi | hi | 17:01 |
| dustins | \o | 17:01 |
| blancos | o/ | 17:01 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish, afazekas: around? | 17:02 |
| andreaf | ok let's get started | 17:03 |
| andreaf | previous week actions are still for gmann | 17:03 |
| andreaf | #action gmann to send ML for upcoming removal of deprecated interfaces and its affect on stable branches | 17:04 |
| guinm | o/ | 17:04 |
| andreaf | o/ | 17:04 |
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| andreaf | #topic PTG | 17:04 |
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| andreaf | For the PTG, Mon/Tue we will share a room with infra/release/requirements/stable for the help hours | 17:05 |
| andreaf | Since questions are likely to span across the responsibility of multiple teams | 17:05 |
| andreaf | like Tempest plugins is a lot about setting up the repo which is infra like mtreinish mentioned | 17:06 |
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| andreaf | also it will make it easier for the room to always be attended by someone | 17:06 |
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| oomichi | andreaf: how about after Wed? | 17:07 |
| andreaf | If you are going to be at the PTG and plan to join QA sessions please do add your name to the list in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/qa-queens-ptg | 17:07 |
| andreaf | oomichi: after Wed we'll have a room dedicated to QA for QA team discussions and code sprint | 17:08 |
| oomichi | andreaf: do you have separated room for qa project for separated topic on Wed? | 17:08 |
| andreaf | so Wed through Friday | 17:08 |
| oomichi | andreaf: cool, I'd like to join online | 17:08 |
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| andreaf | oomichi: I'll try to make a decent schedule for people who want to join remotely | 17:09 |
| oomichi | andreaf: thanks, that will be helpful for us | 17:09 |
| andreaf | oomichi: remote attendance at PTG may be tricky but we'll see what we can do, we can always setup a quick hangout or so if it makes sense | 17:10 |
| andreaf | another thing will be the ptg bot - it will be possible for people to see what's going on in different rooms in real time via a web page (or in IRC) | 17:10 |
| oomichi | andreaf: yeah, it is nice to have discussion on the same time even if that is remotely for moving forward together | 17:10 |
| andreaf | as long as room owners will provide the info of course | 17:11 |
| * oomichi nods | 17:11 | |
| andreaf | we have quite a few ideas for things to do at the PTG | 17:13 |
| andreaf | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/qa-queens-ptg | 17:13 |
| andreaf | if there is anything that needs to be discussed before the PTG for preparation please add it to the meeting agenda | 17:13 |
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| andreaf | and if you have more ideas / things to be discussed please add them in there | 17:14 |
| andreaf | I expect each session will be lead/moderated by the person proposing it, unless stated otherwise | 17:14 |
| andreaf | one last thing | 17:15 |
| oomichi | yeah, each person needs to | 17:15 |
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| andreaf | if you have special scheduling needs in terms of conflicting meetings or late arrival / early departure you may want to track this on the etherpad as well | 17:16 |
| andreaf | ok enough for the PTG from my side | 17:16 |
| andreaf | anything else? | 17:16 |
| andreaf | #topic Gate Stability | 17:16 |
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| andreaf | Gate failure categorisation rate is still pretty low - partly my fault since I've been busy with test.py patches and ignored by duty on that | 17:17 |
| andreaf | I scheduled myself for next week to get more categorization in place | 17:18 |
| andreaf | The gate usage is still pretty high, a lot of time we are using all nodes available | 17:18 |
| andreaf | and failure rates seems to be still a bit too high looking at the graphs | 17:19 |
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| andreaf | #link https://goo.gl/ptPgEw | 17:19 |
| oomichi | yeah, the usage seems still maximum | 17:19 |
| andreaf | I knew folks in infra were investigating networking issues and slow nodes, but I don't have any news on that | 17:20 |
| andreaf | anything else on gate stability? | 17:21 |
| andreaf | ok moving on | 17:21 |
| andreaf | #topic Specs Reviews | 17:22 |
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| andreaf | anything on specs? | 17:22 |
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| andreaf | just a reminder for folks to please review open specs before the PTG | 17:22 |
| andreaf | so we get there prepared and we can plan queens work accordingly | 17:22 |
| andreaf | ok moving on | 17:23 |
| andreaf | #topic Tempest | 17:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tempest (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:23 | |
| oomichi | oh, I notice now https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173334/ needs to be updated. OK, I will do before PTG | 17:23 |
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| andreaf | prateek: around? | 17:24 |
| andreaf | Anything on Tempest to be discussed? | 17:24 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: heh, it's only been 2 yrs so far :p | 17:25 |
| oomichi | mtreinish: yeah, that is the same age of my last kid :) | 17:25 |
| andreaf | oomichi: do you think you'll have bw to work on that during queens? | 17:25 |
| andreaf | :D | 17:25 |
| oomichi | andreaf: yeah, the spec working item will be I can work in queens | 17:26 |
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| andreaf | oomichi: cool :) | 17:26 |
| oomichi | I want to make it grow | 17:26 |
| andreaf | oomichi: do you know any user / cloud that would benefit from that? | 17:27 |
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| oomichi | andreaf: yeah, my company folks want to use it for system integrations | 17:27 |
| oomichi | before releasing it on production | 17:28 |
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| andreaf | oomichi: cool good to hear some feedback on that | 17:28 |
| oomichi | I guess that is usual use case of the feature | 17:28 |
| andreaf | oomichi: if you have any more description / use cases from NEC to be put in an etherpad or so it might be useful as well | 17:29 |
| andreaf | oomichi: yeah indeed | 17:29 |
| andreaf | oomichi: I was going to use that for Helion ... long time ago | 17:30 |
| oomichi | andreaf: yaeh, ok I make them write on that | 17:30 |
| andreaf | thanks | 17:30 |
| andreaf | ok moving on | 17:30 |
| andreaf | This week I've been working on two things on Tempest side | 17:30 |
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| andreaf | one is cleanup the console log of the unit test jobs which has become polluted with pieces of logs from various tests | 17:31 |
| andreaf | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:cleanup_test_log | 17:31 |
| andreaf | that's still in progress | 17:32 |
| andreaf | one of fixes breaks fwaas and another one removes a stable interface so it's not really straight forward | 17:32 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/494197/ do you think we need deprecation for DEFAULT_PARAMS? | 17:33 |
| andreaf | it's a stable interface but it has been so for only a few days :S | 17:34 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: I'm totally fine just deleting it | 17:34 |
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| andreaf | oomichi: perhaps you want to weigh in as well, if we can get consensus on deletion it would great I don't think this is worth a lot of extra effort really | 17:35 |
| andreaf | The other thing I've been working on is making validation resources and test.py stable | 17:36 |
| andreaf | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:test_module_stable | 17:36 |
| andreaf | I've found some interesting unit test issues | 17:36 |
| oomichi | andreaf: humm, I could not follow ^^^, maybe that is gmann? | 17:36 |
| oomichi | gmann puts -1 on that | 17:37 |
| andreaf | oomichi: yeah gmann recommends we go through deprecation | 17:37 |
| andreaf | oomichi: but I'm not fully convinced it's worth it in this case | 17:37 |
| oomichi | andreaf: I am good to remove it directly if we never say it as stable interface even if users exist | 17:38 |
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| andreaf | oomichi: the module was declared as a stable interface a few days ago | 17:39 |
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| oomichi | andreaf: omg, that is.. | 17:39 |
| andreaf | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/487482/ | 17:39 |
| andreaf | 7 days ago to be precise :D | 17:40 |
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| oomichi | I need to be your enemy on this case ;) | 17:41 |
| andreaf | oomichi: also that dict is not the correct one to use, so if we leave it around we should fix it | 17:41 |
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| oomichi | andreaf: ok, I will check it more carefully after meeting | 17:42 |
| andreaf | oomichi: cool thanks | 17:42 |
| andreaf | so anything else on Tempest? | 17:43 |
| andreaf | #topic Patrole | 17:44 |
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| andreaf | anything on Patrole to be discussed? | 17:44 |
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| blancos | Felipe has a few things for the PTG | 17:44 |
| blancos | but nothing urgent that I can think of | 17:45 |
| andreaf | blancos: ok | 17:45 |
| andreaf | if nothing else, I'll move to open discussion | 17:46 |
| andreaf | #topic Open Discussion | 17:46 |
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| mtreinish | on the stestr migration stuff, I think the ostestr patch is ready: | 17:46 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/488441 | 17:47 |
| mtreinish | I'm hoping people could test it out, because I'm sure I'm missing an edge case somewhere | 17:47 |
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| mtreinish | like just the other day I realized most projects won't have an .stestr.conf, so ostestr will have to parse the .testr.conf and pass the args to stestr | 17:47 |
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| mtreinish | but overall I'm really happy with that transition, it makes the code so much cleaner | 17:48 |
| mtreinish | and eventually we can hopefully remove the testr transition bits and make it just a straight passthrough command (and eventually maybe even delete the ostestr entrypoint) | 17:48 |
| andreaf | cool | 17:49 |
| andreaf | I will try it out | 17:49 |
| ltosky[m] | couldn't that issue (missing .stestr) and potentially others be discovered with some.targeted reviews? | 17:49 |
| andreaf | eventually we'll have to migrate .testr.conf to .stestr.conf - but I guess we can do that over time | 17:50 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: I wss wondering - is there support in stestr for the test bisect - to find dependencies between to tests? | 17:51 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: yeah: http://stestr.readthedocs.io/en/latest/MANUAL.html#automated-test-isolation-bisection | 17:51 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: I had to do that today, I didn't manage to get testr doing that for me so I handed up scripting it myself quickly | 17:52 |
| mtreinish | that was just straight ported over from testr though | 17:52 |
| mtreinish | so I haven't really tested it | 17:52 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: ok I will test it | 17:52 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: ah, ok. Well we can work on fixing that to make it easier | 17:52 |
| mtreinish | ltosky[m]: targeted reviews? | 17:52 |
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| mtreinish | ltosky[m]: like getting people to look at it? Or throwaway test patches? | 17:53 |
| ltosky[m] | the latter | 17:53 |
| ltosky[m] | Well, not that the former is bad :) | 17:53 |
| mtreinish | yeah, I thought about doing that, but I didn't want to waste test nodes right now | 17:54 |
| ltosky[m] | right | 17:54 |
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| andreaf | one last thing | 17:57 |
| andreaf | what should I name the module in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/493668/ | 17:57 |
| andreaf | changing that name in that patch is daunting process | 17:57 |
| andreaf | so I'd rather do it once only :D | 17:57 |
| andreaf | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/493668/ | 17:57 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: I'm happy with the name there now | 17:57 |
| andreaf | suggestions on the patch are welcome | 17:57 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: heh ok thanks | 17:59 |
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| andreaf | ok thanks for joining everyone :) | 18:00 |
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| andreaf | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 17 18:00:16 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-08-17-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-08-17-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
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| dansmith | #startmeeting nova | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 17 21:00:01 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dansmith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 21:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 21:00 |
| efried | \o | 21:00 |
| efried | Gonna be a quiet one, what with all the cores vacationing. | 21:00 |
| melwitt | o/ | 21:00 |
| dansmith | hope so :) | 21:00 |
| dansmith | #topic release news | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release news (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:01 | |
| dansmith | #link Pike release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Pike_Release_Schedule | 21:01 |
| dansmith | I think we're shooting for an rc2 next week, | 21:01 |
| dansmith | we have a bunch of things already applied to stable/pike for it | 21:01 |
| dansmith | anything about the release before we move on? | 21:02 |
| dansmith | fan | 21:02 |
| dansmith | tastic | 21:02 |
| dansmith | #topic bugs | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:02 | |
| dansmith | looks like no critical bugs | 21:02 |
| dansmith | we had several bugs around placement and one for ironic which have patches landed already which is cool | 21:02 |
| dansmith | I didn't count new untriaged bugs this week because, well, I'm not cool like mriedem | 21:03 |
| dansmith | #info pike-rc-potential bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=pike-rc-potential | 21:03 |
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| dansmith | there's one on that list, but it seems like an overzealous warning.. I thought we squashed one of those, but I'll look at that one after this meeting | 21:04 |
| dansmith | gate status is not awesome, IMHO.. seems like a big spike in someone random failures lately | 21:04 |
| dansmith | especially timeouts due to slower nodes | 21:04 |
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| dansmith | but, things are moving along at least | 21:04 |
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| dansmith | any other comments on bugs, gate status, etc? | 21:04 |
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| dansmith | I'm glad you people want to get back to your quiet week as much as I do | 21:05 |
| dansmith | #topic reminders | 21:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reminders (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:05 | |
| dansmith | #link Consider signing up for the Queens PTG which is the week of September 11 in Denver, CO, USA: https://www.openstack.org/ptg | 21:05 |
| dansmith | #link Pike PTG topics etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-ptg-queens | 21:05 |
| dansmith | #info mriedem wanted to remind people to brush their teeth and make their bed or something | 21:06 |
| dansmith | oh clean your room, my bad | 21:06 |
| * edleafe takes out the trash | 21:06 | |
| dansmith | any other things needing reminding? | 21:06 |
| * efried never makes his bed. Also never ties his shoes after taking them off. | 21:06 | |
| dansmith | then lettuce proceed | 21:07 |
| dansmith | #topic stable branch status | 21:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "stable branch status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:07 | |
| dansmith | #link stable/ocata: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/ocata,n,z | 21:07 |
| dansmith | #link stable/newton: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/newton,n,z | 21:07 |
| dansmith | I have approved a metric crapton of things in the last few days | 21:07 |
| tonyb | the gate why does it hate stable? | 21:07 |
| dansmith | because mriedem threatened bodily ham when he got back if I didn't | 21:07 |
| efried | Mm. Bodily ham. | 21:07 |
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| dansmith | tonyb: is that a rhetorical question? | 21:08 |
| dansmith | hah | 21:08 |
| dansmith | *harm | 21:08 |
| dansmith | I dunno what bodily ham is but I doubt I'd like it either | 21:08 |
| melwitt | ham | 21:08 |
| tonyb | dansmith: strange he ask me nicely ;P | 21:08 |
| dansmith | tonyb: he likes you a lot more, unsurprisingly | 21:08 |
| tonyb | dansmith: Yeah it is sorry. so much rechecking :( | 21:08 |
| tonyb | dansmith: LOL | 21:08 |
| dansmith | tonyb: yeah I noticed that myself | 21:08 |
| dansmith | any other real or rhetorical questions/comments about stable? | 21:08 |
| dansmith | #topic subteam lowlights | 21:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "subteam lowlights (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:09 | |
| dansmith | whole big bag of nothing this week for the cells meeting | 21:09 |
| dansmith | edleafe: got any better for scheduler? | 21:09 |
| edleafe | nope | 21:10 |
| dansmith | I don't expect we have alex_xu or sdague around for api? | 21:10 |
| dansmith | I don't think there was a notifications meeting again this week and I expect it's too late for gibi | 21:10 |
| dansmith | and mriedem is the point for the cinder stuff, so I'm guess nothing there | 21:11 |
| dansmith | I guess there was nobody to insult with my "lowlights" comment then.. dang | 21:11 |
| dansmith | anything else here anyone can think of? | 21:11 |
| dansmith | #topic stuck reviews | 21:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "stuck reviews (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:12 | |
| dansmith | I spy with my little eye... no stuck reviews | 21:12 |
| dansmith | disagreements? | 21:12 |
| dansmith | alrighty | 21:12 |
| dansmith | #topic open discussion | 21:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:12 | |
| dansmith | what have you to discuss in an open nature, dear comrades? | 21:12 |
| jangutter | 3rd party ci (or our attempt at one) | 21:13 |
| dansmith | for $your_networking_thingy? | 21:13 |
| jangutter | yep, sorry, cut and pasting stuff into the buffer here... | 21:13 |
| jangutter | we've got a basic single Jenkins job that kicks off a custom script: it starts up devstack and runs two tempest scenarios on the three VNIC types our mechanism driver supports. | 21:13 |
| jangutter | this review's got an example of what it does: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/491502/ | 21:14 |
| jangutter | any feedback is welcome, including curses. | 21:14 |
| dansmith | jangutter: it'd be nice if you could merge the subunits so we get one testr_results.html file | 21:15 |
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| jangutter | At this moment, if you want to trigger it, comment on a patch with "check netronome-ci" | 21:15 |
| dansmith | jangutter: also your devstack run says it failed, but reported success, which is, like, usually not good and stuff | 21:15 |
| dansmith | http://209.195.169.219/vnic_plug_test/5/tempest_results_devstack.html.gz | 21:15 |
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| jangutter | dansmith: yep, there's some funnies there that I have not triaged. | 21:15 |
| dansmith | okay well, that's my comment :) | 21:16 |
| jangutter | dansmith: thanks! | 21:16 |
| dansmith | anything else for open discussion? | 21:16 |
| * edleafe listens to the crickets | 21:17 | |
| dansmith | okay then, I'll put us out of our misery | 21:17 |
| dansmith | #endmeeting | 21:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:17 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 17 21:17:29 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:17 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-08-17-21.00.html | 21:17 |
| efried | dansmith Thanks for hosting. | 21:17 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-08-17-21.00.txt | 21:17 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-08-17-21.00.log.html | 21:17 |
| dansmith | np | 21:17 |
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