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| hongbin | #startmeeting zun | 03:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 19 03:00:02 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 03:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zun' | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zun#Agenda_for_2017-09-19_0300_UTC Today's agenda | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #topic Roll Call | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
| lakerzhou1 | lakerzhou | 03:00 |
| Namrata_ | Namrata | 03:00 |
| spn | o/ | 03:00 |
| kevinz | o/ | 03:00 |
| kiennt | o/ | 03:00 |
| mkrai | o/ | 03:00 |
| hongbin | thanks for joining the meeting lakerzhou1 Namrata_ spn kevinz kiennt mkrai | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #topic Announcements | 03:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:01 | |
| hongbin | 1. Propose change of the core team | 03:01 |
| hongbin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-September/122155.html | 03:01 |
| hongbin | i will close the voting in a few days | 03:01 |
| hongbin | assume everyone agree, kiennt will join the core team | 03:01 |
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| Shunli | o/ | 03:01 |
| hongbin | hi Shunli | 03:02 |
| hongbin | all, any other announcement? | 03:02 |
| mkrai | Congratulations kiennt | 03:02 |
| lakerzhou1 | at PTG, there is a new SIG of K8ts meeting. Here is the etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/queens-ptg-sig-k8s | 03:02 |
| lakerzhou1 | congratulations Kiennt | 03:02 |
| Shunli | congratulations Kiennt | 03:02 |
| Namrata | congratulations Kiennt | 03:02 |
| hongbin | lakerzhou1: yes, unfortunately, i was not there | 03:02 |
| kevinz | congratulations Kiennt | 03:03 |
| hongbin | i will see how we can work with that sig if there is a chance to collaborate | 03:03 |
| kiennt | Thank you everyone! :D I'm so happy | 03:03 |
| lakerzhou1 | People interested in K8ts related project are encouraged to join the SIG email list | 03:03 |
| hongbin | lakerzhou1: ack | 03:04 |
| spn | thx for link lakerzhou1 | 03:04 |
| hongbin | ok, advance topic | 03:04 |
| hongbin | #topic Cinder integration (hongbin) | 03:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cinder integration (hongbin) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:04 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/direct-cinder-integration Direct Cinder integration | 03:04 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/zun+branch:master+topic:bp/direct-cinder-integration | 03:05 |
| hongbin | for this bp, i submitted all the important implementation | 03:06 |
| hongbin | now, it is waiting for reviews | 03:06 |
| hongbin | the db and objects are merged, the cinder attach workflow and API implementation are under reviews | 03:06 |
| hongbin | these patches are large, it might take some times to merge | 03:07 |
| mkrai | Thank you hongbin . I will try out the patches and review | 03:07 |
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| hongbin | mkrai: thx | 03:07 |
| mkrai | Bdw is there any doc that explains how to attach cinder volume to container? | 03:07 |
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| hongbin | #link https://docs.openstack.org/cinder/pike/contributor/attach_detach_conventions.html | 03:08 |
| kiennt | hongbin: Thank you. I will test another case (multiple attach), single attach works well. | 03:08 |
| spn | mkrai: am trying the same | 03:08 |
| hongbin | mkrai: ^^ | 03:08 |
| hongbin | kiennt: ack, thanks for testing | 03:09 |
| mkrai | hongbin: I meant with zun | 03:09 |
| mkrai | Ok never mind I will figure out while reviewing | 03:09 |
| hongbin | mkrai: no, so far... | 03:09 |
| mkrai | hongbin: Ok | 03:10 |
| hongbin | i don't mind to write a doc for that | 03:10 |
| mkrai | hongbin: That will be great. Thanks | 03:11 |
| hongbin | np | 03:11 |
| hongbin | any other question about this topic? | 03:11 |
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| hongbin | ok, next topic | 03:11 |
| hongbin | #topic Introduce container composition (kevinz) | 03:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Introduce container composition (kevinz) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:12 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/introduce-compose | 03:12 |
| kevinz | Hi all | 03:12 |
| kevinz | Last week went to PTG, so no more update of this BP. I have add a document about Capsule. | 03:12 |
| kevinz | Will finish all the patches and doc before next meeting | 03:13 |
| hongbin | kevinz: thanks kevin | 03:13 |
| kevinz | Some patches need rebase to newest commit, will implement it this week | 03:13 |
| kevinz | hongbin: Yw | 03:13 |
| hongbin | ok, next topic | 03:14 |
| hongbin | #topic Add support for clear container (mkrai) | 03:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Add support for clear container (mkrai) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:14 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/support-secure-container | 03:14 |
| mkrai | Hi | 03:14 |
| mkrai | I submitted a patch to devstack-container-plugin for setting up Clear COntainer | 03:14 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/499534/ | 03:15 |
| mkrai | Got feedback from Hongbin on checking the virtualization flag before installing | 03:15 |
| mkrai | Since CC can't run inside VM | 03:15 |
| mkrai | i didn't do much last week. I will update the patch this week | 03:15 |
| mkrai | that's all from me. Any questions? | 03:16 |
| hongbin | mkrai: no from me, thanks for the patch to devstack-plugin-container | 03:16 |
| mkrai | hongbin: I have one question about gate | 03:16 |
| hongbin | mkrai: go ahead | 03:16 |
| mkrai | we can't setup a gate for CC if we want because infra sets up devstack inside VM. Right? | 03:17 |
| hongbin | yes, as far as i know, infra CI are all in VM | 03:17 |
| mkrai | Ok thanks | 03:18 |
| hongbin | the only way to setup CC in CI is third-party CI | 03:18 |
| mkrai | which is difficult to get I assume | 03:18 |
| hongbin | that means a spornor needs to contribute the resource for that | 03:18 |
| spn | i have the setup to try out | 03:18 |
| mkrai | spn: dedicate those hardwares to infra team. do you mean? | 03:19 |
| mkrai | Or just for testing now? | 03:19 |
| spn | testi g as of now. we can discuss offline | 03:19 |
| mkrai | spn: Thank you for the help. sure | 03:19 |
| hongbin | mkrai: thanks madhuri | 03:20 |
| hongbin | any other question before advancing topic? | 03:20 |
| hongbin | seems no | 03:21 |
| hongbin | #topic NFV use cases (lakerzhou) | 03:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "NFV use cases (lakerzhou) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:21 | |
| hongbin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zun-nfv-use-cases | 03:21 |
| hongbin | lakerzhou1: Shunli ^^ | 03:21 |
| Shunli | hi | 03:21 |
| Shunli | last week work on how to collect pci info. | 03:22 |
| Shunli | Just investigate how nova to collect pci info. | 03:22 |
| lakerzhou1 | Hongbin, I have devstack SRIOV setup ready | 03:22 |
| lakerzhou1 | I should start testing tomorrow | 03:23 |
| hongbin | lakerzhou1: ack | 03:23 |
| hongbin | Shunli: any finding about the way to collect pci info? | 03:24 |
| Shunli | seems no better way | 03:24 |
| Shunli | just call 'lspci' for many times to get different info. | 03:25 |
| hongbin | Shunli: i see, it should be fine | 03:25 |
| Shunli | and check the pci info sysfs | 03:25 |
| Shunli | combine these info together maybe can get all pci info | 03:26 |
| hongbin | Shunli: like what the Nova xenapi driver does? | 03:26 |
| Shunli | yes. | 03:26 |
| hongbin | Shunli: ack | 03:26 |
| spn | did u try discover pkg? | 03:26 |
| Shunli | spn: no, do not know what is discoer pkg | 03:27 |
| spn | discover --vendor-id --model-id pci | 03:27 |
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| Shunli | spn: thx, i will try later. can not connect to my machine now. | 03:28 |
| spn | cool | 03:28 |
| hongbin | spn: thanks for hte advice | 03:29 |
| hongbin | lakerzhou1: it is cool to have the SRIOV setup ready | 03:29 |
| Shunli | i will investigate the whole pci flow in nova. | 03:30 |
| hongbin | lakerzhou1: i assume you get the nova working with a VF nic ? | 03:30 |
| Shunli | still need to add the pci stats, pci pool obejcts from nova to zun. | 03:30 |
| hongbin | Shunli: ack | 03:31 |
| Shunli | then maybe can start port the pci tracker. | 03:31 |
| Shunli | that's all update for me. | 03:31 |
| hongbin | Shunli: cool, thanks for working on that, Shunli | 03:31 |
| Shunli | my pleasure. | 03:32 |
| hongbin | #topic Open Discussion | 03:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:32 | |
| hongbin | anyone has a topic to discuss? | 03:32 |
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| kiennt | none from me. | 03:33 |
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| mkrai | no | 03:33 |
| spn | no | 03:33 |
| hongbin | ok, everyone, thanks for joining hte meeting | 03:34 |
| hongbin | see you next time | 03:34 |
| spn | bye all | 03:34 |
| hongbin | #endmeeting | 03:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 03:34 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 19 03:34:23 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-09-19-03.00.html | 03:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-09-19-03.00.txt | 03:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-09-19-03.00.log.html | 03:34 |
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| ruijie_ | #start-meeting senlin | 13:00 |
| Qiming | no dash | 13:01 |
| ruijie_ | #start meeting senlin | 13:01 |
| ruijie_ | :< | 13:01 |
| Qiming | no space | 13:01 |
| ruijie_ | #startmeeting senlin | 13:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 19 13:02:00 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ruijie_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'senlin' | 13:02 |
| ruijie_ | here we go .. | 13:02 |
| Qiming | :) | 13:02 |
| ruijie_ | sorry | 13:02 |
| ruijie_ | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SenlinAgenda | 13:02 |
| longkb_ | Hi everyone! It nice to meet you guys | 13:02 |
| ruijie_ | please feel free to add items to the agenda | 13:02 |
| ruijie_ | hi longkb_ | 13:02 |
| ruijie_ | let's wait for a while :) | 13:03 |
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| ruijie_ | hi chenyb4_ | 13:03 |
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| ruijie_ | okay, let's get started | 13:04 |
| ruijie_ | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/senlin-queens-workitems | 13:04 |
| ruijie_ | hi Qiming, we discussed about the extra field/policy to add hook to scaling process | 13:05 |
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| Qiming | yes | 13:06 |
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| ruijie_ | so, that policy could contains how to get approved or how to send notifications? | 13:07 |
| Qiming | there are two sub-topics here | 13:08 |
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| Qiming | one is about how to inject something into an API request to indicate whether a request is an "original" one | 13:08 |
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| Qiming | the other one is about how to add hooks (possibly a general policy) that examines this 'something' and decide whether a hook will be triggered | 13:09 |
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| Qiming | we are supposed to be following the global api-wg guidelines, for api requests and responses | 13:10 |
| ruijie_ | by the "original" request, you mean we will send a request or notification to someone, and they will call back? | 13:10 |
| Qiming | yes | 13:11 |
| ruijie_ | once the "original" comes in, we need to record it somewhere to wait for callback, after that the process could pass to next step? | 13:13 |
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| Qiming | we don't wait | 13:15 |
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| Qiming | that request has been "processed" and "redirected" | 13:15 |
| Qiming | these kind of info are have to be either sent in the body or embedded in the header | 13:17 |
| Qiming | if we carry these info in header, it would be something like this: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Access_control_CORS | 13:18 |
| ruijie_ | request(with special field) --> create action with special status --> return/call/notify ; callback to trigger that action --> scale in/out | 13:18 |
| Qiming | the original request doesn't have to be changed | 13:20 |
| Qiming | most of the time, requests should be processed as usual | 13:21 |
| Qiming | it is only those requests mutated by a third party software that need a special tag | 13:21 |
| ruijie_ | okay, Qiming, may need to look forward to it :) thought it a little bit simple | 13:23 |
| Qiming | to get it done in a disciplined way is not straightforward | 13:24 |
| Qiming | although get it done in an adhoc way is simple enough | 13:24 |
| Qiming | reference: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/guidelines/headers.html#avoid-proliferating-headers | 13:25 |
| ruijie_ | yes Qiming | 13:25 |
| Qiming | also this: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/guidelines/http.html | 13:26 |
| Qiming | we are supposed to return a proper status code for this | 13:26 |
| Qiming | I don't think we should add an 'extra' field to each and every API request ... | 13:28 |
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| Qiming | it is gonna be dirty | 13:28 |
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| ruijie_ | thanks Qiming, let's talk about it a little bit later :) | 13:30 |
| Qiming | alright | 13:30 |
| ruijie_ | another one is about this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/504830/ | 13:30 |
| ruijie_ | to revisit the documentation of event dispatcher | 13:31 |
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| ruijie_ | the developer part of the event dispatcher looks good now？ | 13:31 |
| Qiming | yes I think so | 13:32 |
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| Qiming | however, I think we are supposed to split that rst file into two | 13:33 |
| ruijie_ | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/senlin/tree/doc/source/contributor/event_dispatcher.rst | 13:33 |
| Qiming | one for user, one for developer | 13:33 |
| ruijie_ | this one is about how to extend the event plugin | 13:34 |
| ruijie_ | Qiming, you mean we may need to divid the user reference to 2 parts? | 13:34 |
| Qiming | the contents under 'contributor' subdir are there for developers | 13:34 |
| Qiming | the one in your patch is targeting users | 13:35 |
| ruijie_ | yes Qiming | 13:35 |
| Qiming | I see, we already have guide for developers | 13:35 |
| ruijie_ | yes Qiming :) | 13:36 |
| ruijie_ | next one. the tempest-plugin | 13:36 |
| ruijie_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/504870/ | 13:37 |
| ruijie_ | the patch is already there, will keep checking it | 13:37 |
| ruijie_ | that's all from my side :) | 13:38 |
| Qiming | cool | 13:38 |
| ruijie_ | I noticed longkb_ is here :) | 13:39 |
| Qiming | we will need to revise some gate jobs later when the github project is migrated | 13:39 |
| ruijie_ | yes Qiming, after that, will move the gate jobs from senlin to the plugin step by step | 13:39 |
| Qiming | to be honest, I'm not sure | 13:40 |
| Qiming | the gate jobs are there to ensure changes to senlin repo won't break anything, they are not there to protect the tempest plugin | 13:41 |
| Qiming | so maybe the jobs are supposed to be revised to invoke tempest plugin project, and they still vote for senlin patches | 13:41 |
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| Qiming | also speaking of your event doc improvement | 13:43 |
| Qiming | when reading this: https://docs.openstack.org/senlin/latest/user/events.html | 13:43 |
| Qiming | I felt that we may need a subsection for the dispatcher configuration so that users will easily find the info | 13:43 |
| ruijie_ | one for the database and another for the messaging | 13:44 |
| Qiming | we need a subsection in that article | 13:44 |
| Qiming | for readability's purpose | 13:45 |
| Qiming | just a quick thought | 13:45 |
| ruijie_ | okay, that makes sense | 13:45 |
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| ruijie_ | next one is about the meetup | 13:46 |
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| ruijie_ | we can organize the meetup in Beijing in the 2nd/3rd week of Oct | 13:47 |
| Qiming | any suggestion on the date/location ? | 13:47 |
| ruijie_ | how about 15th Oct | 13:48 |
| ruijie_ | Queens-1 milestone :) | 13:49 |
| Qiming | it is okay for me | 13:49 |
| Qiming | I may have a conflicting schedule but not yet fixed | 13:49 |
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| ruijie_ | the date could be discussed, will send an email to mailing list. I think the location could be Beijing :) | 13:50 |
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| ruijie_ | :< >: that's all from me | 13:52 |
| Qiming | no topic from me | 13:54 |
| ruijie_ | okay, we can end it a little bit early | 13:54 |
| ruijie_ | thanks for joining :) | 13:54 |
| ruijie_ | #endmeeting | 13:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:55 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 19 13:55:04 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2017/senlin.2017-09-19-13.02.html | 13:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2017/senlin.2017-09-19-13.02.txt | 13:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2017/senlin.2017-09-19-13.02.log.html | 13:55 |
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| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_ci | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 19 16:00:58 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| jlibosva | o/ | 16:01 |
| ihrachys | hello my friends | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ci' | 16:01 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, o/ | 16:01 |
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| ihrachys | ok, that's a tight meeting company we have here ;) | 16:01 |
| ihrachys | haleyb seems to be offline | 16:01 |
| jlibosva | he just disconnected | 16:02 |
| jlibosva | I hope he'll be back | 16:02 |
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| jlibosva | there he is | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | here he is | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | :) | 16:02 |
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| ihrachys | haleyb, o/ | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | #topic Actions from prev week | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from prev week (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:02 | |
| ihrachys | "jlibosva to talk to armax about enabling test_convert_default_subnetpool_to_non_default in gate" | 16:02 |
| jlibosva | I didn't because I forgot | 16:03 |
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| jlibosva | I'll do this week | 16:03 |
| ihrachys | #action jlibosva to talk to armax about enabling test_convert_default_subnetpool_to_non_default in gate | 16:03 |
| haleyb | hi there, irc-proxy was having problems | 16:03 |
| ihrachys | "haleyb to figure out the way forward for grenade/dvr gate" | 16:03 |
| ihrachys | I believe the grenade job is largely back to normal now? | 16:03 |
| ihrachys | the bug being https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1713927 | 16:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1713927 in neutron "gate-grenade-dsvm-neutron-dvr-multinode-ubuntu-xenial fails constantly" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan) | 16:04 |
| haleyb | i just rebooted, but remember it ~20% | 16:04 |
| ihrachys | haleyb, you mentioned in the bug there is still a fix to land | 16:04 |
| ihrachys | on server side | 16:04 |
| ihrachys | can you post it in LP? | 16:04 |
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| haleyb | yes, it needs a quick re-spin to address a comment | 16:04 |
| ihrachys | I am at loss with all those dvr fixes you have with Swami :) | 16:04 |
| ihrachys | haleyb, is it required to fix the gate failure? | 16:05 |
| ihrachys | or it's just nice to have? | 16:05 |
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| haleyb | it's required to fix the server side, we only worked around it in the agent | 16:05 |
| ihrachys | ok. I remember we make the job non-voting. I assume we will get it back after the server side fix? | 16:06 |
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| haleyb | i hope so, if the failure rate is still good | 16:07 |
| ihrachys | I recollect we had a revert for that somewhere. | 16:07 |
| ihrachys | but now I fail to find it | 16:07 |
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| jlibosva | I don't think we do | 16:07 |
| haleyb | actually the dvr-multinode job is 0%, it's the regular multinode job that's at 20% failure | 16:07 |
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| jlibosva | this is the original - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500567/ | 16:08 |
| ihrachys | ok, I created a revert for tracking purposes | 16:08 |
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| jlibosva | haleyb: which could also mean we're not collecting data correctly, 0% failure is always suspicious to me as we have infra issues or catching regression failures etc. | 16:09 |
| ihrachys | haleyb, hm... should we break it back so that we are on the same failure rate? :p | 16:09 |
| haleyb | what, you don't believe DVR is better? :-p | 16:09 |
| ihrachys | it is. it's just that the base line we compare with was always rather low. :p | 16:09 |
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| ihrachys | anyhow... | 16:10 |
| ihrachys | these were all AIs we had | 16:10 |
| ihrachys | #topic Grafana | 16:10 |
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| ihrachys | http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate | 16:10 |
| ihrachys | api job is at 20% failure rate on 7days sliding window chart | 16:11 |
| ihrachys | not sure what causes that | 16:11 |
| ihrachys | could it be the skip_checks issue? | 16:11 |
| ihrachys | I mean this: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/I1c0902e3c06886812029fae0e4435bb6674f57df | 16:11 |
| ihrachys | I believe charts collect data from all branches so we may still see those failures there if they happen in stable | 16:11 |
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| ihrachys | apart from that, it's usual suspects - fullstack and scenarios - that we still have at 100%. let's deal with them one by one. | 16:12 |
| ihrachys | #topic Fullstack failures | 16:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Fullstack failures (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:12 | |
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| ihrachys | I believe we made some significant progress lately with fixing and triaging failures | 16:13 |
| ihrachys | I believe the main issue that is causing 100% failure rate right now is the one where test_trunk_lifecycle fails because ovs agents clean up ports that don't belong to them | 16:13 |
| ihrachys | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1687709 | 16:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1687709 in neutron "fullstack: ovs-agents remove trunk bridges that don't belong to them" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Armando Migliaccio (armando-migliaccio) | 16:13 |
| ihrachys | and armax had a WIP patch for that | 16:14 |
| ihrachys | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/504186/ | 16:14 |
| ihrachys | the idea there is to introduce a test only option that will set a prefix for agent ports | 16:15 |
| ihrachys | then configure each fullstack test case with a unique prefix | 16:15 |
| ihrachys | then ovs agent would filter those ports with the prefix | 16:15 |
| ihrachys | not ideal, but should be an easy fix | 16:15 |
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| ihrachys | and then we can follow up with filtering them on ovsdb level, or something else | 16:15 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, with that patch, do we still want to follow up? | 16:16 |
| jlibosva | I just don't like that we're having "monkey patch hack" at one agent and "config hack" in other agents. I'd rather have it unified | 16:16 |
| jlibosva | and moving towards removing those hacks longterm but the goal of the idea is neat | 16:17 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, that's not ideal. but do you agree testing the actual production code is better than monkey patching the agent? | 16:17 |
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| jlibosva | imho it's moot | 16:17 |
| ihrachys | moot point? | 16:17 |
| ihrachys | as in - longterm both are bad? | 16:18 |
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| jlibosva | no, I mean if you have a code that's parametrized and never used in production - or you patch the code. It's still the same | 16:18 |
| jlibosva | just written differently | 16:18 |
| jlibosva | but if we get rid of monkey patching and replacing it with no-prod config values, I'm good. But in my opinion it's the same as monkey patching | 16:19 |
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| ihrachys | jlibosva, I remember I had complications with monkey patched agents when switching to rootwrap because I needed to configure rootwrap to allow those dirs for exec_dirs | 16:20 |
| ihrachys | of course now it's solved somewhat | 16:21 |
| ihrachys | but it left bitter taste in my mouth | 16:21 |
| ihrachys | :) | 16:21 |
| ihrachys | ok | 16:21 |
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| ihrachys | so to the question of follow up - is it smth we want to still track? | 16:21 |
| ihrachys | or we will pretend we can live with the hacks? | 16:21 |
| jlibosva | is it the last issue? I thought we still have some l3 east-west failing IIRC | 16:21 |
| ihrachys | there are some issues that show once in a while | 16:22 |
| jlibosva | or you mean to track the isolation stuff that I was working on? | 16:22 |
| ihrachys | I was hoping that we tackle this one to finally have a reasonable chart that is not 100% always | 16:22 |
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| ihrachys | and then can meaningfully assess progress | 16:22 |
| ihrachys | but yes, there are others | 16:22 |
| jlibosva | sounds good | 16:22 |
| jlibosva | btw the trunk failure shouldn't be 100%, it's a race condition | 16:22 |
| ihrachys | re follow up, I meant the isolation and/or the filtering of ports on ovsdb query level | 16:22 |
| ihrachys | some decent fix that would allow us to kill the test option | 16:23 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, sometimes the job rate falls to 95%, yes :p | 16:23 |
| jlibosva | I'll keep it in my backlog | 16:23 |
| jlibosva | ah, nice :) I like progress | 16:23 |
| ihrachys | ok, good. it's a nice thing to have, but I believe not a critical thing right now, especially considering all the other priorities we tend to have | 16:24 |
| ihrachys | another bug that affected the job was https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1717582 | 16:24 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1717582 in neutron "fullstack job failing to create namespace because it's already exists" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq) | 16:24 |
| jlibosva | agreed | 16:24 |
| ihrachys | and slaweq has a fix: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/503890/ | 16:24 |
| ihrachys | as we learned, netlink is async and hence doesn't provide guarantee that after netns add the namespace is present | 16:25 |
| ihrachys | so we need to spin | 16:25 |
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| ihrachys | I need to get back to the patch, seems like slaweq has reasonable replies to my concerns | 16:26 |
| jlibosva | thomas has ideas how to avoid the race | 16:27 |
| jlibosva | it's in PS6 | 16:27 |
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| ihrachys | ok, will check | 16:27 |
| ihrachys | (looking through the list of fullstack bugs) one other thing I had for the suite is switching to using SIGTERM instead of SIGKILL for all services: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1487548 | 16:28 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1487548 in neutron "fullstack infrastructure tears down processes via kill -9" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Ihar Hrachyshka (ihar-hrachyshka) | 16:28 |
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| ihrachys | I have https://review.openstack.org/#/c/499803/ | 16:28 |
| ihrachys | but I need to rework it so that if SIGTERM doesn't kill in a minute, we SIGKILL | 16:28 |
| ihrachys | anything else on fullstack? | 16:29 |
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| jlibosva | nope | 16:31 |
| ihrachys | #topic Scenarios | 16:31 |
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| ihrachys | jlibosva, I think we were making some progress there too? | 16:32 |
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| ihrachys | afaik there were two fronts - one dvr fixes from haleyb and Swami and another router migrations from anilvenkata | 16:32 |
| jlibosva | I think only Anil has some patches for router migrations | 16:32 |
| ihrachys | would be nice to have a list of things we believe are related | 16:32 |
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| ihrachys | jlibosva, afaiu some dvr fixes for grenade were effectively also helping scenarios | 16:33 |
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| jlibosva | cool, two birds with one stone | 16:33 |
| haleyb | Swami just sent out https://review.openstack.org/#/c/505324 as well as he noticed there are some edge cases still broken | 16:33 |
| haleyb | i think he had opened a new bug for that, will check | 16:34 |
| ihrachys | the flow of dvr fixes both encourages and scares | 16:35 |
| ihrachys | it's encouraging that we fix that | 16:35 |
| ihrachys | but... it's like... broken since ever? | 16:35 |
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| haleyb | router migrations are complicated. this is new since the dvr_snat_bound code merged in pike | 16:35 |
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| ihrachys | jlibosva, haleyb you think it would make sense to have a list of scenario related fixes somewhere so that we can prioritize them somehow? | 16:36 |
| jlibosva | I can take an AI to do | 16:36 |
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| ihrachys | #action jlibosva to prepare a list of scenario related fixes | 16:36 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, thanks! | 16:36 |
| haleyb | yes, either a single bug and/or topic i guess | 16:36 |
| ihrachys | haleyb, ^ please help Jakub with that, I believe you have a good grasp of dvr side of things | 16:37 |
| haleyb | will do | 16:37 |
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| jlibosva | maybe we could create a short-term LP tag to get the list quickly | 16:37 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, apart from it, are we aware of any other fixes? how close would the fixes we have in pipeline get us in terms of failure rate? | 16:37 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, good idea. we can create a new tag, no need to have a permanent one | 16:38 |
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| jlibosva | there is a fix for remote security groups that iwamoto is working on | 16:38 |
| ihrachys | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/492404/ ? | 16:39 |
| jlibosva | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/492404/ | 16:39 |
| jlibosva | yep | 16:39 |
| jlibosva | this should also bring some peace | 16:39 |
| ihrachys | I thought it's just perf optimization? | 16:39 |
| ihrachys | ok I see in the commit message: "that filtering | 16:40 |
| ihrachys | are correctly performed" | 16:40 |
| ihrachys | so I guess it's functional too | 16:40 |
| jlibosva | no, it's a new regression caused by conjunctions | 16:40 |
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| jlibosva | also slaweq has a patch for qos for better logging in the test: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/491244/ | 16:40 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, it affects pike+? | 16:40 |
| ihrachys | I mean the conjunctions | 16:41 |
| jlibosva | yes | 16:41 |
| jlibosva | it's been merged to pike | 16:41 |
| ihrachys | another regression, good | 16:42 |
| ihrachys | :) | 16:42 |
| ihrachys | but it seems like we are not close to complete there? | 16:42 |
| ihrachys | so I guess I will need to release .1 without it | 16:42 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, re the qos test patch, my concern was that it hides the issue. is it correct? | 16:43 |
| ihrachys | it retries over and over. shouldn't we expect it to work correctly? | 16:43 |
| ihrachys | instead it hangs in the middle | 16:43 |
| jlibosva | yep, we could have some mechanism to retry few times | 16:44 |
| jlibosva | but importantly, it adds some logging messages that could reveal more information about the issue | 16:44 |
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| ihrachys | jlibosva, but can't we raise after logging? | 16:46 |
| jlibosva | we can :) | 16:46 |
| ihrachys | otherwise it seems like the test will pass if it works after e.g. 5th attempt | 16:46 |
| jlibosva | or make a loop | 16:46 |
| jlibosva | aah | 16:46 |
| jlibosva | I see | 16:46 |
| ihrachys | it can also loop now indefinitely | 16:47 |
| ihrachys | before, the timeout would bubble up to test runner | 16:47 |
| ihrachys | now it's swallowed | 16:47 |
| jlibosva | I was thinking about trying several times but you're right, that failing the test would make more sense | 16:47 |
| jlibosva | and we should log the exception too | 16:47 |
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| ihrachys | ok, let's follow up with comments there then | 16:48 |
| ihrachys | logging is a good idea, it's just execution that scared me | 16:48 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Open discussion | 16:49 |
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| ihrachys | we hit https://launchpad.net/bugs/1717046 the last week | 16:49 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1717046 in neutron "L3HARouterVRIdAllocationDbObjectTestCase.test_delete_objects fails because of duplicate record" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Ihar Hrachyshka (ihar-hrachyshka) | 16:50 |
| ihrachys | I worked it around with a fix for now | 16:50 |
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| ihrachys | but the root issue in the test framework is still there | 16:50 |
| ihrachys | I have this attempt: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/503854/ | 16:50 |
| ihrachys | but it will require some more work | 16:50 |
| ihrachys | also, Genadi Ch sent a new scenario for sec groups here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/504021/ | 16:50 |
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| ihrachys | and seems like he was able to trigger a sqlalchemy error and error 500 with it | 16:51 |
| ihrachys | he reported a bug here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1493175 (it's rhbz, not lp) | 16:51 |
| openstack | bugzilla.redhat.com bug 1493175 in openstack-neutron "Update of VM port to have different number of security groups fails with Error 500" [High,New] - Assigned to amuller | 16:51 |
| ihrachys | we will need to have a look, may be a reason of some scenario failures | 16:51 |
| ihrachys | and it's in db layer. | 16:51 |
| ihrachys | fails on refresh(port_db) call somewhere | 16:51 |
| ihrachys | so probably affects everyone, not specific to backend | 16:52 |
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| ihrachys | also, to recap the ptg discussions, dvr folks were planning to adopt fullstack suite for testing different agent deployment modes | 16:52 |
| ihrachys | I assume haleyb will follow up with Swami on that one | 16:53 |
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| ihrachys | that's all I have | 16:53 |
| ihrachys | anything else to discuss? | 16:53 |
| ihrachys | haleyb, jlibosva | 16:53 |
| jlibosva | not from me | 16:53 |
| haleyb | nothing here | 16:53 |
| ihrachys | good. thanks for joining. we should have progress next time we meet. green gate future ahead. | 16:54 |
| ihrachys | o/ | 16:54 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 16:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 19 16:54:18 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-09-19-16.00.html | 16:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-09-19-16.00.txt | 16:54 |
| * jlibosva likes green | 16:54 | |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-09-19-16.00.log.html | 16:54 |
| jlibosva | thanks, bye | 16:54 |
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| samueldmq | ping ayoung, breton, cmurphy, dstanek, edmondsw, gagehugo, henrynash, hrybacki, knikolla, lamt, lbragstad, lwanderley, notmorgan, rderose, rodrigods, samueldmq, spilla, aselius, dpar | 18:01 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 18:02 |
| hrybacki | o/ | 18:02 |
| samueldmq | #startmeeting keystone | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 19 18:02:04 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is samueldmq. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
| rodrigods | o/ | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:02 | |
| lamt | o/ | 18:02 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 18:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:02 |
| hrybacki | o/ | 18:02 |
| knikolla | o/ | 18:02 |
| raildo | _o_ | 18:02 |
| gagehugo | \o | 18:02 |
| samueldmq | hi all | 18:02 |
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| samueldmq | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting | 18:02 |
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| gagehugo | keystone has an ansible gate now? | 18:02 |
| samueldmq | here is our agenda for today, nothing long or special | 18:02 |
| samueldmq | I hope you all have had a great time at the PTG. it felt very productive | 18:03 |
| * hrybacki agrees | 18:03 | |
| gagehugo | agreed | 18:03 |
| samueldmq | #topic api-ref reorganization | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "api-ref reorganization (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:03 | |
| samueldmq | so, we did talked about it a bit in our documentation discussion at the PTG | 18:04 |
| samueldmq | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/queens-ptg-keystone-doc-cleanup | 18:04 |
| samueldmq | we've come to a format we'd like to keep the api-ref docs in, but I came with another approach when looking at the actual docs | 18:04 |
| hrybacki | starting on line 54? | 18:05 |
| samueldmq | the general idea is to have 3 main sections only: header with description and relationship links | 18:05 |
| samueldmq | hrybacki: yes | 18:05 |
| samueldmq | another for request, and the last for response | 18:05 |
| samueldmq | avoiding request params, response, status codes, example request, example response | 18:05 |
| samueldmq | in different places | 18:05 |
| samueldmq | I've made 2 patches as example so you may have a feeling of what it looks like | 18:06 |
| samueldmq | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/keystone+branch:master+topic:api-ref-reorganization | 18:06 |
| samueldmq | reviews appreciated :) | 18:06 |
| hrybacki | Looks good at a cursory glance! | 18:06 |
| gagehugo | samueldmq will do | 18:07 |
| samueldmq | hrybacki: yes, that's my feeling too. if we share that view we can go ahead and change everything | 18:07 |
| knikolla | i don't have any particular preferences as long as we're consistent | 18:07 |
| samueldmq | we have a potential outreachy intern willing to do some of that work | 18:07 |
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| samueldmq | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/505135/ | 18:07 |
| hrybacki | samueldmq: for the win | 18:08 |
| samueldmq | Suramya did this ^ | 18:08 |
| samueldmq | hrybacki: ++ | 18:08 |
| samueldmq | cool, I guess we can quickly move to open discussion as there isn't much on this topic anymore | 18:08 |
| samueldmq | #topic open discussion | 18:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:08 | |
| hrybacki | o/ | 18:08 |
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| samueldmq | did it set the topic? | 18:09 |
| hrybacki | it did | 18:09 |
| * samueldmq nods | 18:09 | |
| hrybacki | Just another ask: If you haven't already, please take a look at the policy roadmap please do. I'll be creating Trello stuff to track items | 18:09 |
| hrybacki | #link Just another ask: If you haven't already, please take a look at the policy roadmap | 18:09 |
| hrybacki | whoops | 18:09 |
| hrybacki | #undo | 18:09 |
| hrybacki | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/queens-ptg-keystone-doc-cleanup | 18:09 |
| hrybacki | do I need rights for ^^ ? | 18:09 |
| hrybacki | grr and I'm really bad with copy/paste today | 18:10 |
| gagehugo | the link will be in the log so it's probably good | 18:10 |
| samueldmq | I don't think so. I guess you wanted a different link though | 18:10 |
| hrybacki | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/queens-PTG-keystone-policy-roadmap | 18:10 |
| hrybacki | THAT is what I meant to paste. | 18:10 |
| hrybacki | that's all I have | 18:10 |
| hrybacki | and thanks for those that have already helped revise it! | 18:10 |
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| samueldmq | hrybacki: great, thanks for that. | 18:11 |
| edmondsw | o/ | 18:12 |
| * edmondsw starts reading back | 18:12 | |
| samueldmq | gagehugo: you had a question on keystone having an ansible gate at the beginning of the meeting? | 18:12 |
| gagehugo | yeah I just noticed it on your api-ref change | 18:13 |
| gagehugo | seems like it's a new thing? | 18:13 |
| gagehugo | maybe from the upgrade | 18:13 |
| samueldmq | yes seems new to me too, I don;t have details on it though | 18:13 |
| gagehugo | ok | 18:14 |
| samueldmq | does anybody have anything else to discuss? | 18:14 |
| edmondsw | just saw that lbragstad has posted a PTG recap everyone should probably read: https://www.lbragstad.com/blog/keystone-queens-ptg-summary | 18:15 |
| samueldmq | edmondsw: that's awesome, thanks for the link | 18:15 |
| hrybacki | edmondsw++ | 18:15 |
| samueldmq | #link https://www.lbragstad.com/blog/keystone-queens-ptg-summary | 18:15 |
| samueldmq | it's great for those who were there to recap | 18:15 |
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| samueldmq | and for those who were not able to attend so they can catch up | 18:15 |
| edmondsw | yep | 18:15 |
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| hrybacki | should we push this out to openstack-dev ? | 18:16 |
| hrybacki | I see other projects sending out recaps from PTG | 18:16 |
| samueldmq | hrybacki: that wouldn't hurt anyone | 18:16 |
| edmondsw | hrybacki probably, but I would let lbragstad do that | 18:16 |
| hrybacki | ack | 18:16 |
| samueldmq | last call, anything else? | 18:17 |
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| samueldmq | let's keep up the great work keystoners | 18:17 |
| samueldmq | thank you all for coming | 18:18 |
| hrybacki | thanks for running the mtg samueldmq! | 18:18 |
| samueldmq | it was a pleasure | 18:18 |
| samueldmq | #endmeeting | 18:18 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 19 18:18:20 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:18 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-09-19-18.02.html | 18:18 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-09-19-18.02.txt | 18:18 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-09-19-18.02.log.html | 18:18 |
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| clarkb | hello infraers | 18:59 |
| fungi | howdy | 18:59 |
| AJaeger | \o/ | 18:59 |
| jeblair | hi | 19:00 |
| clarkb | its going to be a full meeting I think so going t oget the ball rolling early | 19:00 |
| clarkb | #startmeeting infra | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 19 19:00:09 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is clarkb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:00 |
| clarkb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:00 |
| clarkb | #topic Announcements | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:00 | |
| clarkb | really quickly going to remind everyone to sign the queens release key. I Haven't done it yet and feel very guilty over this | 19:00 |
| ianw | o/ | 19:01 |
| clarkb | Also if you haven't noticed we just upgraded gerrit and while a bumpy start I think we are starting to get a handle on things? more on that later | 19:01 |
| clarkb | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:01 | |
| clarkb | We had a couple but I think we agreed to put them on the back burner for now. Particularly the infracloud one (also more on that later :) ) | 19:01 |
| pabelanger | o/ | 19:01 |
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| clarkb | #topic Specs approval | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs approval (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:02 | |
| clarkb | I havne't really had a chance to look at these since the last meeting. I don't think there is anything outstanding right now. Please do ping me if there is something urgent | 19:02 |
| mordred | o/ | 19:02 |
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| clarkb | and with that we can move on to the portion of the meeting that everyone is waiting for | 19:02 |
| clarkb | #topic Priority Efforts | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Priority Efforts (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:02 | |
| clarkb | #topic Zuul v3 | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Zuul v3 (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:03 | |
| clarkb | Lots of things related to Zuulv3 happened last week at hte PTG | 19:03 |
| clarkb | lots of on zuulv3 things happened too which we'll get to after the priority specs | 19:03 |
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| fungi | lots | 19:03 |
| jeblair | my memory is that we worked on jobs + migration script a lot | 19:04 |
| AJaeger | ;) | 19:04 |
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| clarkb | I know the zuul meeting was cancelled yesterday in favor of getting gerrit upgraded so now is the chance ot catch up on all that goodness | 19:04 |
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| AJaeger | lots of open changes in the queue to review... | 19:04 |
| jeblair | mordred is continuing to work on migration script | 19:04 |
| jeblair | mordred: i think it emits actual job output now? | 19:04 |
| jeblair | mordred: do you think we can, say, run some nova check jobs tomorrow or something? | 19:04 |
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| jeblair | andreaf wrote a basic native v3 tempest job that builds on the basic native v3 devstack job | 19:05 |
| jeblair | i haven't reviewed that yet, but hope to soon | 19:05 |
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| jeblair | that's in devstack-gate repo (for now; we'll move it to tempest soon) | 19:05 |
| clarkb | is that the first job addition from outside of zuul development? | 19:05 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: i don't want to figure out who's "inside" or "outside" enough to answer that question :) | 19:06 |
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| jeblair | but having andreaf self-bootstrap into writing a v3 job is awesome :) | 19:06 |
| clarkb | ++ | 19:06 |
| * fungi cheers | 19:06 | |
| AJaeger | Yeah! | 19:07 |
| jeblair | tristanC showed us his in-progress dashboard work which will be important once we finish the cutover | 19:07 |
| jeblair | (hopefully we're not far away from having a job history dashboard) | 19:07 |
| jeblair | we have some ideas of how it and openstack-health can be complementary | 19:07 |
| jeblair | tobias has patches in progress to nodepool to improve quota support | 19:08 |
| jeblair | that will allow us to use smaller flavors for, say, pep8 jobs | 19:08 |
| mordred | jeblair: yes - there is a giant stack of patches I'll bug people about tomorrow when this migration is done | 19:08 |
| jeblair | (and therefore increase our apparent capacity) | 19:08 |
| jeblair | mordred: awesome! | 19:08 |
| clarkb | for us to make use of that we may need some quota changes (as we have instance quotas that line up with ram use in most cases) | 19:09 |
| jeblair | clarkb: yeah, but it'll be a good problem to have :) | 19:09 |
| clarkb | indeed | 19:09 |
| dmsimard | I have a series of patches that should be mostly ready to land as far as multi node in v3 in concerned | 19:09 |
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| dmsimard | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:zuulv3-multinode | 19:09 |
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| jeblair | we also did a roadmap exercise at the end of the week. we were exhausted, so it's only in rough etherpad form at this point. some time this week or next, i'll write it up for further discussion, so we can all get on the same page for what we do between the openstack cutover and v3 release, and what comes after. | 19:10 |
| dmsimard | zuul-jobs has the role bits while the jobs/integration testing is in openstack-zuul-jobs | 19:10 |
| jeblair | dmsimard: great! | 19:10 |
| dmsimard | pabelanger and I discussed that it's worth thinking about when and where we'll want to trigger the base-integration and multinode-integration jobs (filtering on files?) | 19:10 |
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| jeblair | i need to track down problems with logstash job submission. that's the only transition blocker (aside from migration script) that i'm aware of | 19:11 |
| mordred | stack of patches related to migration script from me ends with: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/504968 | 19:11 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/504968 Zuulv3 job migration scripting | 19:11 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:zuulv3-multinode Native zuulv3 multinode jobs | 19:12 |
| dmsimard | Once the zuulv3-multinode stack has landed, I'll try and see how hard it would be to bring up a native devstack multinode | 19:12 |
| jeblair | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zuulv3-roadmap rough draft post-cutover roadmap | 19:12 |
| mordred | hrm - I'm going to re-topic migration patches to zuulv3-migration | 19:12 |
| fungi | rather than just zuulv3? | 19:13 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:zuulv3-migration Also for migration scripting | 19:13 |
| fungi | oh, right, they're on the feature/zuulv3 branch already | 19:13 |
| fungi | so show up in queries that way | 19:14 |
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| dmsimard | it's probably trivial to filter on topic:^zuulv3.* or something regardless | 19:14 |
| dmsimard | because those patches are not necessarily on the zuul repo with feature/v3 branch | 19:14 |
| dmsimard | i.e, project config, zuul jobs, etc | 19:15 |
| fungi | i guess i should update my query | 19:15 |
| jeblair | if folks could use 'zuulv3' as the topic for any patch not on a feature/zuulv3 branch, that would be great | 19:15 |
| jeblair | on feature/zuulv3, a topic *other than* zuulv3 is helpful. :) | 19:15 |
| clarkb | #action everyone use 'zuulv3' as the topic for any patch not on a feature/zuulv3 branch, that would be great. on feature/zuulv3, a topic *other than* zuulv3 is helpful. | 19:16 |
| dmsimard | hmm, at first glance it doesn't seem like it's possible to put a regex for the topic field search :/ | 19:16 |
| jeblair | (so mordred's zuulv3-migration here is great) | 19:16 |
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| mordred | jeblair: WELL - except that zuulv3-migration has a bunch of patches on project-config too - it's a tricky little devil | 19:17 |
| dmsimard | oh, gerrit has an 'intopic' search parameter so https://review.openstack.org/#/q/intopic:zuulv3 works | 19:17 |
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| jeblair | mordred: those are the most important to have 'zuulv3' as the topic | 19:17 |
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| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/intopic:zuulv3 for everything zuulv3 related | 19:18 |
| clarkb | jeblair: mordred would probably be good to have a summary of the currnet plan going forward as well | 19:18 |
| clarkb | (once through general status updates) | 19:18 |
| jeblair | mordred: did you send out that email? | 19:19 |
| clarkb | he did | 19:19 |
| dmsimard | he did :) | 19:19 |
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| jeblair | that probably covers the current plan afaik | 19:20 |
| mordred | k. I've updated the zuulv3-migration topic on project-config patches to just be zuulv3 | 19:20 |
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| clarkb | ok let me dig up a link for it | 19:20 |
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| mordred | well - that plan is "planning on doing a rollout on Monday" - we probably want to have a slightly more detailed infra-team plan | 19:21 |
| clarkb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-September/122241.html Zuulv3 rollout plans email | 19:21 |
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| clarkb | anything else we want to go over on Zuulv3 related items? | 19:23 |
| mordred | well - lemme say one more quick thing about migration script | 19:23 |
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| mordred | once the patches from me in zuul, project-config, openstack-zuul-jobs are landed ... | 19:24 |
| mordred | to my knowledge the migration script is good to go | 19:24 |
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| dmsimard | mordred: I'd like to test drive some sanity checks against what I feel is most vulnerable -- deployment projects (openstack-ansible, puppet-openstack, kolla, tripleo, etc) | 19:24 |
| mordred | so it's important to start combing through the generated content for bugs | 19:24 |
| dmsimard | Can I go ahead and "whitelist" those projects in main.yaml and submit what would be their "migrated" jobs as zuul.yaml in their repos ? | 19:25 |
| Shrews | i second mordred's suggestion. there WILL be bugs. some of that script is... complicated | 19:25 |
| jeblair | dmsimard: let's not submit any auto-generated content to project repos | 19:25 |
| mordred | dmsimard: I'd prefer we didn't, as we won't have any way of knowing which things we've submitted to project repos | 19:25 |
| mordred | gah. jeblair said that with less words | 19:25 |
| jeblair | dmsimard: let's put that in project-config and/or openstack-zuul-jobs | 19:26 |
| dmsimard | jeblair, mordred: I'm not planning on merging anything, it will be -W | 19:26 |
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| dmsimard | if we want test drives to be in project-config and openstack-zuul-jobs, that requires merging and reverting things | 19:26 |
| jeblair | dmsimard: i'm fine with that. | 19:27 |
| dmsimard | ok, sure. | 19:27 |
| jeblair | i'd rather do that than have people get the mistaken idea that we might want to merge the auto-generated stuff in their repos | 19:27 |
| Shrews | mordred: perhaps we should outline what to expect for migration script output? like expanded templates, job name changes, etc. might help others review | 19:27 |
| jeblair | this is a PR issue, not a technical one. :) | 19:27 |
| mordred | Shrews: ++ | 19:27 |
| clarkb | Shrews: I think that would be helpful | 19:27 |
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| dmsimard | mordred: did that zuul-sphinx zuul.d fix land so we could at least put the tests in a separate file ? | 19:28 |
| mordred | also - it's worth pointing out that several of the migration script 'fixes' I've made over the weekend were actually fixes or changes to old jobs or just making a new v3 version | 19:28 |
| jeblair | mordred: do you think we need to add anything to the infra-manual migration doc? | 19:28 |
| AJaeger | dmsimard: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/504797/ did not merge yet | 19:28 |
| mordred | oh - right ... jeblair ^^ | 19:28 |
| dmsimard | AJaeger: thanks, just added zuulv3 topic | 19:29 |
| mordred | jeblair: zuul-sphinx no support zuul.d | 19:29 |
| jeblair | ++ | 19:29 |
| mordred | so I think a doc (and/or update to infra-manual) about expected outcome from migration script - as well as a few notes about where these things expect to go ... | 19:30 |
| mordred | like, migrated project-pipeline stuff goes into project-config zuul.yaml but jobs and project-templates go into openstack-zuul-jobs | 19:30 |
| mordred | and playbooks | 19:30 |
| jeblair | that sounds helpful | 19:31 |
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| jeblair | ("i heard you migrated stuff, where the cloud is it?") | 19:31 |
| mordred | but - just spot-checking things randomly often finds things with the eyeballs | 19:31 |
| mordred | for instance, I now notice this: | 19:31 |
| mordred | http://logs.openstack.org/79/505379/1/check/zuul-migrate/06587d2/playbooks/legacy/manila-tempest-minimal-dsvm-lvm-centos-7/run.yaml | 19:31 |
| mordred | echo "Detailed logs: http://logs.openstack.org/$LOG_PATH/" | 19:31 |
| mordred | should likely do something about that :) | 19:32 |
| jeblair | who wants to write the infra-manual changes? | 19:32 |
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| mordred | I can take that on | 19:33 |
| mordred | unless someone else wants to :) | 19:33 |
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| clarkb | lets say mordred tag you are it and if anyone else finds time or wants to help they can ping mordred? | 19:34 |
| Shrews | mordred: i'll email you a section on "matchers" that you can include | 19:34 |
| clarkb | #action mordred update infra-manual documentation on what to do with migrated zuulv3 jobs | 19:34 |
| clarkb | That look right? | 19:34 |
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| clarkb | ready to move on to the other priority spec relevant to yesterday and today? | 19:36 |
| jeblair | + | 19:36 |
| fungi | indeed! | 19:36 |
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| clarkb | #topic Gerrit 2.13 Upgrade | 19:37 |
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| clarkb | This mostly happened yesterday | 19:37 |
| clarkb | amazingly we fit it into the allocated outage time even though database migrations took 5 hours | 19:37 |
| clarkb | Thank you everyone for helping make that happen | 19:37 |
| fungi | that was nuts | 19:37 |
| clarkb | Unfortunately we've turned over some new and exciting behavior around stream events and gerrit email and memory usage and so on that we are trying to address | 19:38 |
| jeblair | and special thanks to zaro for doing work a year ago to cause us to finish within our window :) | 19:38 |
| clarkb | ++ | 19:38 |
| clarkb | Current issues are being tracked at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/gerrit-2.13-issues | 19:38 |
| clarkb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/gerrit-2.13-issues | 19:38 |
| clarkb | For the most part I think we have a handle on the problems and a good chunk of fixes or attempts at fixes | 19:38 |
| fungi | absolutely. i don't know for sure that the reindex ordering optimization sped it up, but i'm happy to believe that was it | 19:39 |
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| clarkb | My biggest concerns right now are the memory use and email slowness. I think the memory use is actually likely to be ok based on utilization today. Jeblairs change to bump max memory seemed to get us to a happy place and gerrit isn't leaking memory all over the floor (it decreases even) | 19:39 |
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| fungi | though the weirdness around edits via api/webui are troubling | 19:40 |
| clarkb | That all said does anyone think we need to be considering a rollback? For me I think that was on the table before the memory stuff got sorted but am feeling much more comfortable with moving forward and fixing things | 19:40 |
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| clarkb | now | 19:40 |
| fungi | i'm still good with rolling forward at this point | 19:41 |
| jeblair | yeah, the problems yesterday may have been caused by some anomolous event (there was a 500mbps outbound spike when it got bad). or we may have needed more jvm ram. it's not clear. | 19:41 |
| jeblair | yeah, if we've managed to get this far without a memory catastrophe, i think forward is the way to go | 19:41 |
| ianw | agree ... it's not out of bounds from what we saw with previous release that went mad occasionally too | 19:42 |
| clarkb | ok good, I didn't want to put a bunch of effort into fixing problems if we were feeling like a revert is warranted. Glad to know no one is ready to go down that route yet :) | 19:42 |
| clarkb | After the meeting we will be applying fixes for a bunch of the problems on that list, hopefully we see improvements. | 19:43 |
| clarkb | Once again thank you everyone for helping | 19:43 |
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| clarkb | Probably the other big item related to this is that we are not merging new project creation changes | 19:44 |
| clarkb | want to get everything working and happy before doing that as we have had some puppet related issues around project creation and nodepool image builds | 19:44 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:44 |
| clarkb | anything else I've missed here? I guess see everyone after the meeting to do the great service restart of Tuesday September 19 | 19:45 |
| clarkb | #topic PTG recap | 19:46 |
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| clarkb | #topic Infracloud | 19:46 |
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| clarkb | We talked about things that weren't zuulv3 at the PTG too. I think one of the more important items was the future of infracloud | 19:47 |
| clarkb | I've summarized the plans around that at http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2017-September/005585.html if you have an interest in infracloud and haven't read that email please do. Feedback is very welcome | 19:47 |
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| clarkb | TL;DR is that it probably isn't viable to move existing hardware due to cost and logistcal problems (we need rails..). As a result we likely don't want to put effort into upgrading the current cloud regions and instead let them die on the vine | 19:48 |
| clarkb | #topic PTG recap | 19:48 |
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| clarkb | Other items that came up were the future of puppet testing. I think we've got a plan where we can replace beaker jobs with something a bit more test suite agnostic and even config management tool independent. This fits into zuulv3 and potentially allows for individuals to write ansible replacements of puppet things and have them be tested in similar manners | 19:49 |
| clarkb | We also talked about replacing puppetboard with ara. I think dmsimard said there will be a spec up for that | 19:50 |
| jeblair | ooh that would be nice | 19:50 |
| jeblair | that would be nice too | 19:50 |
| jeblair | (my oohs and aahs are lagging) | 19:50 |
| clarkb | :) | 19:50 |
| clarkb | The other big item on my list was talkin about monitoring of control plane srevices | 19:50 |
| clarkb | There was general agreement this would be ok as long as any alerting was purely opt in by roots and if someone or group would be responsible for tuning things | 19:50 |
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| clarkb | I expect that that will be an interesting spec with probably lots of alternatives weighing the pros and cons of a variety of monitoring tools out there | 19:51 |
| clarkb | dmsimard: ^ you still up to writing those? | 19:51 |
| ianw | clarkb: will you be issuing pagers :) | 19:52 |
| clarkb | (I know everyone is currently busy with zuul and gerrit things so no rush, but expect tosee that in infra-specs at some point if interested or maybe you can even help write the specs) | 19:52 |
| clarkb | ianw: please no :) and in fact that was basically that jeblair said. No pager duty | 19:52 |
| clarkb | we can collect the info and use it but we aren't oncall and shouldn't have our sleep interrupted | 19:52 |
| clarkb | Ok I think I managed to get through the entire agenda I had. Sorry if it felt rushed. | 19:53 |
| clarkb | #topic Open Discussion | 19:53 |
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| clarkb | anything else for the last ~5 minutes or so of the alotted time? | 19:53 |
| jlk | monitoring and metrics can help inform future development and such, but shouldn't be waking volunteers up :D | 19:53 |
| fungi | good work on the agenda! | 19:53 |
| * AJaeger put one item on the agenda: | 19:54 | |
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| AJaeger | There's a discussion about <= mitaka EOL branches at http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-August/121432.html | 19:54 |
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| clarkb | oh the mitaka eol. Sorry that didn't make it to my local text file | 19:54 |
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| AJaeger | and mordred has a change up at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/504964 | 19:54 |
| AJaeger | Do we want to remove all the regexes etc like in 504964 - or first retire all <= mitaka branches? | 19:54 |
| fungi | there was also something on the agenda about dropping cached git clones (or not) but i think that was from the meeting prior to the ptg? | 19:55 |
| AJaeger | or are those not related? | 19:55 |
| clarkb | fungi: ya I think that is leftovers from last meeting when infra cohosted zuul | 19:55 |
| clarkb | AJaeger: I think we can likely do them independently especially if plan is to remove those branches anyways | 19:55 |
| clarkb | AJaeger: but we can sync up with tonyb later today to make sure that works for him | 19:55 |
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| AJaeger | clarkb: yeah, syncing with tonyb sounds best next step... | 19:56 |
| ianw | AJaeger / tonyb: i can also help with branch removal in our tz if needs be ... i figured it out :) | 19:57 |
| clarkb | AJaeger: I know your timezones don't overlap much. I can try pinging him once not swamped with gerrit related items | 19:57 |
| clarkb | oh ++ to ianw | 19:57 |
| fungi | on a related note, we're slowly getting feedback on projects okay with us deleting their date-based releases from pypi | 19:57 |
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| fungi | i did a batch of them right before the ptg where the release team was able to make the call | 19:57 |
| AJaeger | ianw: will you take care of it and discuss with tonyb ? Would be best IMHO | 19:57 |
| fungi | but now the ones which aren't under release management are slowly trickling in | 19:58 |
| mordred | AJaeger, ianw: we could also just remove those right before the migration | 19:58 |
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| AJaeger | clarkb: want to give ianw an #action? | 19:58 |
| mordred | the main thing is tht they cause a bunch of projects to not actually use the project-template in v3 | 19:58 |
| clarkb | as long as ianw is ok with it | 19:58 |
| AJaeger | mordred: I don't care about timing, just that it gets done if needed | 19:58 |
| ianw | yes, ok | 19:58 |
| clarkb | #action ianw Work with tonyb to coordinate old stable branch removal from projects | 19:58 |
| mordred | and in v3 we can, should we want, add a branch exclusion to the project-tempalte itself | 19:58 |
| mordred | AJaeger: cool | 19:58 |
| clarkb | and we are out of time | 19:59 |
| clarkb | Thanks everyone! | 19:59 |
| clarkb | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 19 19:59:18 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:59 |
| AJaeger | thanks, clarkb | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-09-19-19.00.html | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-09-19-19.00.txt | 19:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-09-19-19.00.log.html | 19:59 |
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| mordred | AJaeger: just don't want to rush anyone to land it while v2 is live if it's a problem - since we can solve the same thing better post migration | 19:59 |
| fungi | thanks clarkb! | 19:59 |
| mordred | AJaeger: but expressing that specific thign in the migration script itself is ... extra hard :) | 19:59 |
| AJaeger | ;/ | 19:59 |
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| fungi | reminder: no tc meeting today, but feel free to join the next tc office hours in #openstack-tc at 01:00 utc! | 20:00 |
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| oneswig | howdy | 21:00 |
| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-wg | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 19 21:00:44 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: scientific-wg)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_wg' | 21:00 |
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| oneswig | #chair martial | 21:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: martial oneswig | 21:00 |
| oneswig | #link Agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#IRC_Meeting_September_19th_2017 | 21:01 |
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| rajulk | hi martial | 21:01 |
| martial | Hi Stig | 21:01 |
| oneswig | Hello martial rajulk, good evening | 21:01 |
| oneswig | good afternoon, etc. | 21:01 |
| rajulk | hi oneswig | 21:01 |
| rajulk | good evening | 21:02 |
| martial | I see Mr Kumar is already with us, wonderful :) | 21:02 |
| priteau | Hello | 21:02 |
| oneswig | Hey priteau, how are you? | 21:02 |
| rajulk | :) | 21:02 |
| hogepodge | hi | 21:02 |
| simon-AS5591 | Hello all | 21:02 |
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| oneswig | #chair b1airo | 21:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b1airo martial oneswig | 21:02 |
| oneswig | morning Blair | 21:03 |
| b1airo | Morning | 21:03 |
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| oneswig | OK, lets roll? | 21:03 |
| oneswig | #topic Scientific Hackathon | 21:03 |
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| b1airo | Yep, sounds good. I'm just feeding the animals here so will keep one eye on this. | 21:03 |
| oneswig | Flanders mentioned the scientific hackathon is looking for mentors | 21:04 |
| oneswig | #link http://hackathon.openstack.org.au/mentors/ | 21:04 |
| oneswig | What else would you do in a dump like Sydney while the jetlag wears off :-) | 21:04 |
| rbudden | hello | 21:05 |
| oneswig | Not that we are a mercenary bunch, I did see mention of summit tickets in return... | 21:05 |
| oneswig | Hi rbudden | 21:05 |
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| oneswig | The hackathon starts Friday afternoon before the summit if anyone is around and interested in taking part | 21:06 |
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| martial | blairo oneswig: I apologize, I need to sign off for a few minutes, will be back as soon as I can | 21:06 |
| oneswig | #item OpenStack London | 21:06 |
| oneswig | martial: np | 21:06 |
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| oneswig | Is next Tuesday! | 21:06 |
| oneswig | We have a WG session for those attending. | 21:06 |
| oneswig | Probably not a big win in this time zone... | 21:07 |
| b1airo | Great to hear oneswig | 21:07 |
| oneswig | I wanted to mention though, we are looking for lightning talks for the BoF, and in customary fashion there is now a small prize for best talk | 21:07 |
| b1airo | Hopefully drum up some new members | 21:08 |
| oneswig | I think so too. Many of the presentations of the main schedule are scientifically oriented. | 21:08 |
| oneswig | Am hoping to meet some new faces. | 21:08 |
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| oneswig | (and some old ones, of course)! | 21:09 |
| priteau | oneswig: Do you know if talks will be recorded? | 21:09 |
| oneswig | They were last year. They usually are. | 21:09 |
| oneswig | OK, that's all to add there I think. | 21:10 |
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| oneswig | #topic Opportunistic utilisation for HTC/HPC | 21:10 |
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| oneswig | We have Rajul Kumar with us today from Northeastern Uni in Boston MA | 21:11 |
| oneswig | #link Rajul's presentation made in Boston https://www.openstack.org/videos/boston-2017/hpchtc-and-cloud-making-them-work-together-efficiently | 21:11 |
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| rajulk | hello everyone | 21:11 |
| oneswig | #link Slides for the presentation are here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6_MvTMovwvFcVppSy1xVmFVbDQ/view?usp=sharing | 21:11 |
| oneswig | Hi rajulk, thanks for coming along | 21:11 |
| rajulk | oneswig: thanks for inviting me | 21:12 |
| oneswig | Thank martial, but he's missing the fun :-) | 21:12 |
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| oneswig | Can you describe the context for your work? | 21:12 |
| oneswig | Is this something used in MOC? | 21:13 |
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| rajulk | sure | 21:13 |
| rajulk | well we are still working on it and is not ready for use yet | 21:13 |
| rajulk | but hopefully will soon be in shape | 21:13 |
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| rajulk | So the idea is it use the idle/underutilized resources in OpenStack cloud to be offered as an HTC service | 21:14 |
| rajulk | This will be a Slurm cluster comprising of virtual machines on OpenStack | 21:15 |
| oneswig | Is it a separate partition in slurm, or a separate instance of slurm altogether? | 21:15 |
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| rajulk | these VMs will be added/removed from the cluster based on the resource availability driven by the resource utilization of the OpenStack cluster | 21:16 |
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| rajulk | It's a seperate instance of slurm - one that provides HTC service on OS | 21:16 |
| b1airo | How is the OpenStack resource utilisation monitored? | 21:17 |
| rajulk | we will be using watcher that will pull metrics from monasca | 21:17 |
| rajulk | and watcher will drive the VM provisioning | 21:18 |
| oneswig | rajulk: you don't have that piece in place yet, or is it currently getting developed? | 21:18 |
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| rajulk | we have developed an inital watcher strategy that does the job | 21:19 |
| rajulk | but is yet to be tested | 21:19 |
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| priteau | Are the Slurm instances pre-emptible? | 21:20 |
| rajulk | yes | 21:21 |
| rajulk | so the way it works is | 21:21 |
| b1airo | rajulk: so do you rely on Nova scheduling or force | 21:21 |
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| rajulk | whenever the utilization goes beyond a certain threshold, the job and node is supended on slurm and then then VM on OS | 21:21 |
| rajulk | we use nova scheduling | 21:22 |
| oneswig | What do you do about re-creating the hpc cluster environment in OpenStack? What about filesystems etc? | 21:22 |
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| rajulk | we have used Salt as the config management tool that drives the provisioning and configuration of a new node for Slurm | 21:23 |
| rajulk | the controller remains static | 21:23 |
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| rajulk | We'll be using an NFS file system mounted on top of swift storage | 21:25 |
| oneswig | sounds interesting. | 21:26 |
| oneswig | It's an internal filesystem to OpenStack then? | 21:26 |
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| rajulk | yes. initally that's the plan | 21:27 |
| rajulk | however wwe may extend it as required down the line | 21:27 |
| b1airo | Have you looked at any Keystone integration or would this service be seperate from OpenStack from the user's perspective? | 21:27 |
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| rajulk | So at MOC we have developed an UI that deals with these scientific tools | 21:28 |
| rajulk | that is integrated with keystone | 21:28 |
| rajulk | and whenver a user comes on to use slurm he has to use it via that UI | 21:28 |
| rajulk | as of now, there will be no direct interaction between slurm and a user | 21:29 |
| b1airo | Ah ok, so you have a science gateway of some kind | 21:30 |
| rajulk | exactly | 21:30 |
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| oneswig | If you ever get to the point of allowing users to login, I've previously used this to have them authenticated against keystone in PAM: https://github.com/stackhpc/pam-keystone | 21:31 |
| rajulk | it's still in development phase though | 21:31 |
| martial | (back, sorry) | 21:31 |
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| b1airo | Ok, so presumably the OpenStack SLURM is just one computational resource behind that gateway, which would also include traditional HPC systems? | 21:31 |
| oneswig | welcome back martial :-) | 21:31 |
| martial | (will check the logs for the presentation) | 21:31 |
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| b1airo | rajulk: what gateway software do you use there? | 21:32 |
| rajulk | As of now yes, slurm is running behind the gateway for the user | 21:32 |
| priteau | rajulk: when you say utilization goes beyond a threshold, is that looking at per-node utilization (CPU, mem, etc.) or number of instances across the whole cluster? | 21:33 |
| rajulk | there is a different team working on that but as I know it's built on top of troposphere and atmosphere from cyverse | 21:33 |
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| rajulk | priteau: it's the utilization across the cluster on CPU and memory for a certain period of time | 21:35 |
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| priteau | And how do you decide which VM to kill? | 21:35 |
| b1airo | Interesting possibilities to look for idle VMs in SLURM there... | 21:36 |
| rajulk | priteau: well there's not logic behind that yet. just pick the first one in the list and we dont kill a VM but just suspend it | 21:36 |
| oneswig | rajulk: your presentation mentions multi-node jobs are future work, what's stopping that? | 21:37 |
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| rajulk | oneswig: theortically nothing.we haven't tried that yet. the only concern that was there initially that should we stop all the nodes in the cluster or just a portion of it | 21:39 |
| rajulk | and if a portion that how to figure that and work around it | 21:39 |
| rajulk | so began with a simpler case of single node jobs | 21:40 |
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| oneswig | makes sense | 21:40 |
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| oneswig | OK - did we have any final questions for Rajul? | 21:42 |
| b1airo | Just a thanks for joining! | 21:42 |
| oneswig | seconded - thanks again Rajul | 21:42 |
| armstrong | I joined so I can't see his presentation | 21:43 |
| armstrong | any link to that please? | 21:43 |
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| oneswig | armstrong: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6_MvTMovwvFcVppSy1xVmFVbDQ/view?usp=sharing | 21:43 |
| b1airo | I'm still wanting a generic OpenStack level preemptible instance, but we could use this approach for a lot of stuff too | 21:43 |
| armstrong | Ok thanks | 21:43 |
| oneswig | no worries | 21:43 |
| oneswig | #topic Scientific OpenStack book | 21:44 |
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| rajulk | Thanks for the discussion. really helpful for me as well. | 21:44 |
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| rajulk | b1airo: totally agree | 21:44 |
| martial | thank you Mr Kumar | 21:44 |
| oneswig | Final week for rabid hacking on the text everyone! | 21:44 |
| rajulk | martial: thanks a lot :) | 21:44 |
| martial | oneswig: well we are adding a chapter about "Research in Production" :) | 21:45 |
| oneswig | Today I received a great study on Lustre on OpenStack from the Sanger Institute team | 21:45 |
| b1airo | What's our drop dead date again oneswig ? | 21:45 |
| martial | rajulk: thank you for giving us the opportunity to learn from your expertise | 21:45 |
| rbudden | b1airo: 22nd I believe | 21:45 |
| oneswig | Kathy wants final copy end of next week, edits close end of this week | 21:46 |
| b1airo | oneswig: excellent, was hoping for that! | 21:46 |
| martial | oneswig: started reviewing ... I saw you spot me :) | 21:46 |
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| oneswig | It's coming together - apologies to anyone who has commented and I've not responded for a couple of days. Quite a bit going on at once. | 21:46 |
| oneswig | martial: not sure that was me... I've been largely elsewhere today. | 21:47 |
| rbudden | might have been me | 21:48 |
| oneswig | I'm working on an SKA infrastructure study to replace the Cray one, should have that in review tomorrow | 21:48 |
| rbudden | i was making lots of edits before this meeting ;) | 21:48 |
| rbudden | i sent oneswig an email for review, but any feedback is welcome | 21:48 |
| oneswig | rbudden: looking for the prize for the most up-to-date entry, huh? :-) | 21:48 |
| martial | oneswig: interesting, that person had your face icon ... you are being identity theft-ed on book reviews of your own chapter ... sneaky | 21:48 |
| hogepodge | Sept 29 is the hard deadline | 21:48 |
| hogepodge | Absolutely no edits after that. If it's not ready we won't have time to produce the book. | 21:49 |
| oneswig | Thanks hogepodge | 21:49 |
| rbudden | oh nice, i have a few more days ;) | 21:49 |
| oneswig | We can propose cover images for this edition. | 21:49 |
| hogepodge | (Kathy has entrusted me to remind everyone of that as often as possible... I don't want to let Kathy down) :-D | 21:49 |
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| oneswig | I need URLs of images that are creative commons licensed | 21:50 |
| oneswig | If we get options, I'll set up a vote | 21:50 |
| oneswig | So - impressive images please everyone from your cloudy science workloads! | 21:51 |
| rbudden | i know someone mentioned last year that they liked the Bridges OPA layout image | 21:51 |
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| rbudden | it’s already in the previous book though, so maybe something fresh | 21:51 |
| rbudden | but figured it’s up for grabs if needed | 21:51 |
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| oneswig | rbudden: I used a screen shot from the vrml widget. Any way of getting something better resolution? | 21:52 |
| rbudden | yes | 21:52 |
| rbudden | I can ask and get the original | 21:52 |
| oneswig | sounds good. | 21:52 |
| oneswig | OK - any more on the book work? | 21:53 |
| oneswig | #topic SC17 | 21:53 |
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| oneswig | hogepodge: was this your item? | 21:53 |
| hogepodge | Yes, we need point people to receive book and sticker shipments | 21:53 |
| hogepodge | Denise got stickers approved, so I just need to know who to mail them to for the conference. | 21:54 |
| rbudden | i can volunteer for that | 21:54 |
| oneswig | IU or PSC booths might be good places to deliver to - rbudden? | 21:54 |
| oneswig | ah, great | 21:54 |
| rbudden | yes, i’ll be at SC Sun-Fri | 21:54 |
| oneswig | b1airo: what's the latest on the BoF? | 21:54 |
| rbudden | they can likely be shipped straight to the PSC booth or split between us and IU | 21:54 |
| hogepodge | Great! Just send an email to me and I'll connect you with Denise to set it up. | 21:54 |
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| rbudden | hogepodge: will do, thx | 21:54 |
| b1airo | oneswig: BoF is on | 21:55 |
| oneswig | Did the merge happen or is it just us? | 21:55 |
| rbudden | #action rbudden to get in touch with hogepodge about SC book and sticker shipments | 21:55 |
| hogepodge | chris@openstack.org | 21:55 |
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| b1airo | Final participant list and format TBA | 21:55 |
| b1airo | I believe merge is happening, but I still haven't heard anymore from Meredith on the other side | 21:56 |
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| oneswig | Any more on SC? | 21:57 |
| b1airo | Not from me | 21:58 |
| rbudden | do we have a list of presenters for booth talks? | 21:58 |
| rbudden | or still TBA? | 21:58 |
| rbudden | errr TBD | 21:58 |
| b1airo | Other thing I wanted to raise is feedback (if any) on becoming a SIG?? | 21:58 |
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| oneswig | rbudden: I think Mike Lowe was tracking that. | 21:58 |
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| b1airo | Plus! Forum topics for Sydney - we have not thrown anything into the brainstorming pile yet I think | 21:59 |
| oneswig | #topic AOB - SIG etc. | 21:59 |
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| rbudden | oneswig: thanks, i’ll sync up with Mike | 21:59 |
| oneswig | SIG, still seems fine to me. The mailing list split (ideally involving less cross-posting) is the only question for me. | 21:59 |
| martial | b1airo: our usual BoF / Lightning Talks | 22:00 |
| oneswig | We upgraded to Pike today, it worked! | 22:00 |
| b1airo | martial: those are already in, I mean the main Forum | 22:00 |
| oneswig | b1airo: might be a good thread for openstack-sigs[scientific]? | 22:00 |
| martial | (I am still confused about this Forum thing then) | 22:01 |
| martial | oneswig: might be especially since we are out of time | 22:01 |
| priteau | oneswig: Anything to look out for before moving to Pike? I keep cherry-picking bug fixes from it into our Ocata deployment | 22:01 |
| oneswig | priteau: Mark and johnthetubaguy in our team did a fair bit of prep. We use Kolla. There were issues with docker_py -> docker. Also, we had problems with RabbitMQ hosts mangling /etc/hosts with repeated entries. Finally, a racy problem with updating haproxy which was fixed by a cherry-pick from master | 22:03 |
| oneswig | And I forgot to merge a PR I'd left dangling, doh. | 22:03 |
| oneswig | Kolla worked really well for us though. | 22:03 |
| oneswig | Ah, we are way over time. | 22:03 |
| rbudden | oneswig: I would be very interested in thoughts/war storries of Kolla | 22:03 |
| rbudden | for another time then! | 22:04 |
| oneswig | Better wrap up. | 22:04 |
| oneswig | rbudden: will try to write something up! | 22:04 |
| oneswig | cheers all | 22:04 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 22:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 19 22:04:20 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:04 |
| rbudden | oneswig: always thanks! | 22:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-09-19-21.00.html | 22:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-09-19-21.00.txt | 22:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-09-19-21.00.log.html | 22:04 |
| priteau | Thanks everyone | 22:04 |
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| rbudden | thanks! | 22:04 |
| armstrong | Thanks | 22:05 |
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