Thursday, 2017-09-21

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ekcs#startmeeting congressteammeeting00:01
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ekcshi all. welcome back to congress meeting!00:02
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ramineni_ekcs: hi00:02
ekcslist of topics are here as usual:
ekcsfeel free to add/edit/comment00:02
ekcshi ramineni_ !00:02
ekcsok let’s get started then!00:03
ekcs#topic PTG recap00:03
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ekcsWe had a great PTG with people bringing use cases, cross project discussions, and overall congress direction.00:05
ekcshere’s a bullet points summary I sent out over ML:
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ekcsanything we want to clarify or follow up on?00:06
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ramineni_ekcs: no00:07
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ekcsok then let’s move along =)00:08
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ramineni_ekcs: i thought policy library UI is not priority?00:08
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ramineni_are we again targeting that feature?00:08
ekcs#topic policy lib UI00:09
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ekcshaha so I was revisiting the tasks and priorities today. I said over email I didn’t think policy lib UI is a great return on effort required. But today I realized I was conflating browse & activate GUI with full CRUD.00:11
ekcsAfter more thought I’m now of the opinion that browse and activate is a good return on effort but full CRUD is not.00:11
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ekcsramineni_: do you have thoughts about that?00:12
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ramineni_ekcs: ok00:13
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ekcsany opinions one way or another?00:13
ramineni_ekcs: should be fie i think00:13
ekcsok =p00:14
ekcswell lets come back to priorities later.00:14
ekcs#topic unofficial driver00:14
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ekcsthis is something masahito and I discussed at the PTG, partly triggered by the dynamic driver loading discussion00:15
ekcsHere’s a BP: #link
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ramineni_ekcs: yes , had a look at it00:16
ekcsbasically the idea is to establish a lower-tested/supported tier of drivers, to clearly communicate which drivers are most supported.00:16
ekcsramineni_: great. any thoughts? good idea? bad idea? potential problems?00:17
ramineni_ekcs: hmm, non-openstack ones make sense .. but the openstack ones , do we need to support if it is not tested00:18
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ramineni_ekcs: i dont think any operator uses in production environment , if we keep as non-tested ones00:18
ekcsgood question to consider.00:18
ekcsfor instance, should we merge say designate driver to a lower tier, or not merge it at all.00:19
ramineni_ekcs: and there is quite good chance that they will be beroken in future releases, if not monitored in gate00:19
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ramineni_ekcs: IMO , we should keep the tested ones,(production ready)00:20
masahitosorry, late.00:21
ekcsif merged the second tier, the more adventurous people trying/testing things out can easily enable and use it. but it can easily break in future.00:21
ramineni_ekcs: if we support that, there will be bunch of drivers always in unsupported list? or we should consider deprecation of some time?00:21
ekcsramineni_: what if for openstack drivers we require at least the “update without error” test to be merged into “unofficial”. but comprehensive test (adding things that create content for tables then checking the contents) to be top level official drivers?00:22
ekcshi masahito ! talking about whether to do unofficial drivers =)00:23
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masahitoekcs: got it.00:23
ekcsramineni_: what do you think is the main disadvantage to having “unofficial” drivers that may or may not be broken? is to going to confuse users? generate too many bugs? lower the perception of quality for the overall project?00:24
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ramineni_ekcs: 1. no one uses it , 2. increases maintainability, 3. not production ready00:25
ramineni_ekcs: at some point we have to make them stable? or planning to keep them in unoffcial drivers00:26
ramineni_ekcs: advantages: i see your point, we can get more drivers into tree, but are they really useful, like that?00:26
ekcsthe way I’m thinking about it is that it doesn’t hurt to include more in an “unofficial” dir as long as it is clear we don’t promise anything with respect to those. That way people trying out new use cases can experiment with them.00:27
ramineni_ekcs: once we land them there, i dont think no one cares about making it stable, or make sure well tested00:28
ramineni_ekcs: mostly, new drivers will land there, not in supported ones00:28
ekcsand if we add better testing, we can move them to official. for example if some users find an unofficial driver is useful for their use case, then we&them can invest resources into making it official.00:29
ekcsbut there is no promise and some may be forever unofficial.00:29
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ekcsramineni_: right I see that as the main disadvantage. by opening up that tier, we can end up crafting the incentives such that we end up getting fewer official drivers than we otherwise would.00:30
ekcsmasahito: do you have any thoughts?00:30
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masahitoI'm not sure people have concerns about drivers are official or not because all drivers are located in Congress repo.00:33
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ekcsramineni_: has a concern that by opening up a tier of unofficial drivers in tree, instead of insisting on proper tests before merging at all, we may basically create a situation where we never make new drivers official and well tested.00:34
ekcsso the end result is we have fewer well tested drivers.00:35
ramineni_and they may break eventually , which will not be noticed00:35
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ekcsramineni_: right. so the actual value of the unofficial drivers may be minimal if they all end up broken anyway.00:37
ramineni_ekcs: masahito: not quite sure, actually if this feature would be really useful or not, if some usecases, we can consider this, but with some guidelines, atleast , we have some useful ones, vncetre, benchmarking etc which are useful point for non-openstack ones to write their own drivers00:39
ramineni_but for openstack ones, if we open up for veryone, i dont think anyone will care about writing tempest tests, at some point we should consider their maintainability00:40
ekcsso it seems like we all agree on this: the non-openstack drivers without CI should be moved to unofficial subdir. correct?00:41
ramineni_if we think really useful to include we can consider may be00:41
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ramineni_ekcs: right, i dont think we have hw to test them anyway00:41
ramineni_on gate00:41
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ekcsWe're not sure about opening that up to openstack drivers without good integration tests because it may discourage good tests for drivers and end up in a bad situation.00:42
ekcsso why don’t we just move the non-openstack drivers we don’t have integration tests for. but not allow openstack drivers in there.00:43
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ramineni_ekcs: sounds good to me00:44
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ekcsok then. I’ll update the BP.00:45
ekcslet’s move on then. more comments welcome on the BP =)00:45
ekcs#topic QoS patch00:45
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ekcsI’m hoping we can make progress on the QoS patch because it is need by a partner.00:46
patchbotpatch 488992 - congress - Add Qos translator in neutron datasource drive.00:46
ramineni_ekcs: i have one question, does QoS driver alone can exist witought creating neutron datasource, or is it dependent00:46
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ekcsramineni_: it can exist independently.00:47
ekcsthere is no dependency mechanism between congress datasources.00:47
ramineni_ekcs: because it queries neutron for ports , but the table diffrs a lot00:48
ekcsramineni_: right. so here’s the story.00:48
ekcsthat driver doesn’t actually want the ports table. it just wants the port to qos policy binding.00:49
ekcsbut because of the way congress datasource driver framework works, there needs to be a parent table in order for the port to qos policy binding subtable to work.00:49
ekcsthe choices are 1. add a new tranlation kind to datasource driver.00:50
ekcs2. just include a dummy ports table.00:50
ekcswe figured 2 is ok because an extra table doesn’t hurt anyone.00:50
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ramineni_ekcs: ok, ya, i think existing looks ok00:50
ekcsand the work needed to add new translation kind may not be justified because it’s not clear there are more cases that need it.00:51
ramineni_if its independent , doesnt hurt, i thought , qos doesnt make sense if it neutron is not availble00:51
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ramineni_i thought dependent00:52
ramineni_ill take a look at patch again00:52
ekcsah ok. thanks!00:52
ekcsok let’s go back to queens priorities in the last few minutes.00:53
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ekcs#topic Queens priorities00:53
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ekcshere’s my attempt to prioritize for queens.00:53
ekcsany thoughts or comments about it?00:54
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ekcswe can continue to discuss it today and next week.00:54
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ekcsare there priorities I’m missing?00:55
ramineni_ekcs: there is one wsgi one, pike goal, is it done00:55
ekcsramineni_: it’s not done yet.00:55
ekcsit’s included in the ‘unranked’ section because i’m not sure where to rank it.00:55
ramineni_ok :)00:55
ramineni_is it required? or can be ignored now00:55
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ramineni_ekcs: ill take a look at it, and assign myself some features00:57
ekcsramineni_: none of the TC goals are *required*, but prioritized. it’s not clear to me how much impact that goal has compared to the others.00:58
ramineni_ekcs: ok00:58
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ekcsI think we want to get it done sometime soon-ish because at some point people will want to deploy congess that way and we don’t want to be not ready, but it doesn’t immediately impact users or devs right now.00:59
ekcsso I think between the TC goals it’s somewhat less immediate that tempest plugin which saves us work right away.00:59
ramineni_ekcs: ok, got it00:59
ekcsok let’s end meeting.01:00
ekcsvery helpful discussion.01:00
ekcsthank and more next week!01:00
ramineni_Thanks All. Bye01:00
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eumel8I'm still not in time sync...07:00
eumel8#startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting07:00
openstackeumel8: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.  Use #endmeeting first.07:00
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amotokiIIRC, after one hour is over after startmeeting, anybody can send #endmeeting to end a meeting07:01
amotokieumel8: ^07:02
eumel8#startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting07:02
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep 21 07:02:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is eumel8. Information about MeetBot at
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eumel8good morning, first07:02
-amotoki- lurks again07:02
jpichGood morning!07:02
eumel8good morning, amotoki, jpich, ianychoi, tono07:03
ianychoii conflict with another thing but I will try to see here07:03
-amotoki- is trouble-shooting our cloud now07:03
eumel8who else for the I18n team meeting?07:04
eumel8my only conclict is the missing breakfast07:04
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jpichweren't we talking about moving this meeting?07:05
eumel8but not american style ;)07:05
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eumel8so, it seems anybody got save home after the ptg07:06
jpichsleepy & safe07:06
eumel8sleepy only in daylight ;)07:06
eumel8#topic: PTG Recap07:06
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eumel8jpich is not on the meeting attendee list for ptg - maybe too many partys...07:08
jpichHaha, I was only in at the one session at 11 on Monday morning07:09
jpichThe bad student at the back07:09
jpichCool parties though ;)07:09
eumel8als I already mentioned: Petr gave for the Docs team and kindly for the I18n team a summary in email.07:10
eumel8I concentrated more on the work of our own team and listed only related stuff for us07:11
eumel8Docs team worked on a new mission statement, that was nice to see07:11
eumel8due the fact that other project teams are more involved with documentation we had many contacts to such kind of teams07:12
eumel8but no special questions for I18n07:12
eumel8amotoki brought two topics on the table07:13
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eumel8first thing (splitting po files) he will start a conversation with a spec or on the mailing list07:14
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eumel8the second thing, and that would be nice, a language index on each doc site like in the I18n guide.07:15
eumel8there are some problems to discuss but I would support this feature because it's easier to read and has a better user experience07:18
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jpichIt looks very nice07:18
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eumel8there is also an older proposal available: #link
patchbotpatch 481850 - openstack-infra/project-config - build-releasenotes: Add language index to all files07:19
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eumel8amotoki: so it would be nice if we can further work in this07:21
eumel8project update I gave the RDO guys: #link
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eumel8unfortunatelly ianychoi wasn't there. hopefully I covered all topics of the last cycle and presented the team worthy07:24
jpichNice! Will listen after the meeting07:25
eumel8the Foundation will use this and I can provide also some slides later07:25
eumel8the Policy in Code session which I partly attended. It's more or less a project triggered by the Keystone team and it seems we are not affected07:26
eumel8Translation checksite07:27
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eumel8at first we made another video with Andy and Rob as a OpenStack cross-project sucess story: #link
eumel8hopefully we got the right message07:29
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eumel8and it's some advertising for each team (osa, horizon, i18n)07:29
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eumel8then we worked 2 days for the final installation and we had some progress, indeed.07:30
eumel8but at the end the result is still missing07:30
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patchbotpatch 487936 - openstack-infra/system-config - Installation of i18n-checksite.openstack.org07:31
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eumel8the infra team was too busy and as I mentioned on Etherpad I wouldn't spend more effort07:32
eumel8Zanata upgrade to version 4.307:32
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eumel8this was not covered during ptg due the missing preparations07:33
eumel8version 4.3.0 is still in developement but nearly the release07:34
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eumel8i tested the installation last night and there are still some problems with openid07:34
eumel8will investigate this with zanata guys before we go on the upgrade07:35
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eumel8but I collected some information about update procedure for going on this topic07:35
eumel8there is a new thing from the OpenStack Foundation what we can support07:36
eumel8the new contributor portal: #link
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eumel8first we can promote working as a translator, second the portal will goe multi-lingual07:37
eumel8this means, there will be some stuff to translate :)07:38
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eumel8but I like the idea and there are also enough thankful people for our work on translation stuff :)07:39
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eumel8Queens Prioritization and Roadmapping07:40
eumel8this was also not covered on PTG because not enough people where there to discuss07:40
amotokieumel8: from the next meeting, it looks better to use #topic xxxx07:42
eumel8from the project teams were no new requirements so we can simple distinguish between translation of Horizon stuff and Doc translating07:42
eumel8amotoki: thats true, but I'm near at the end now ;)07:43
amotokior is it still part of PTG recap?07:43
amotokino problem07:43
eumel8yes, only recap07:43
eumel8we can discuss special topics in the next meetings, of course07:43
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eumel8ianychoi: I tried to contact you for the merging stuff in Zanata. If I understood right we have to merge stable-zanata back to master branch and work further on this, isn't it?07:44
amotokiyes, that's same as my understanding too07:46
ianychoieumel8, yes!07:46
eumel8ok, then I move in the right direction07:47
eumel8I prepared a new dashboard in zanata named Queens and promoted this together with doc dashboard on zanata frontpage07:48
eumel8together with ower I18n guide and the user survey we have 4 workloads there07:48
ianychoieumel8, I am not sure but we might need to check whether we need to translate user survey answers07:49
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ianychoiand also what we need to prepare for next user survey07:49
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eumel8ianychoi: I know, it's still over. that's why is it the last topic on the list07:50
ianychoiAnd.. for I18n project updates, I am finding I18n members who can speak..07:50
jpichAbout the Queens category on Zanata front page, tripleo-ui isn't a dashboard plugin but perhaps it's easier to classify like this. I think ironic-ui isn't a horizon plugin either. I don't know if the category name really matters07:50
ianychoitono, will u go to Sydney?07:50
ianychoitono, ? didn't u apply travel support?07:51
robcresswelljpich: ironic-ui is a horizon plugin :)07:51
tonoNot yet.07:52
ianychoiironic-ui is a horizon plugin yes07:52
jpichrobcresswell: Ooops, my bad then! I thought there was a standalone js project at some point, thank you07:52
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robcresswellThere was, but it died07:52
ianychoitono, oh that's too bad.. I thought that you would get travel support easily since you are the top translation contributor07:52
jpichJust ignore me then, thank you for snuggling tripleo-ui in there07:53
jpichrobcresswell: :(07:53
robcresswellI think travel support is closed too, unfortunately :(07:53
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ianychoirobcresswell, right :(07:53
eumel8jpich: "dashboard" is here in the sense of zanata dashboard which is a group of projects and branches07:53
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jpicheumel8: Haha, maybe I need more tea. Thanks, I'm sorry for the noise :)07:54
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eumel8so, next PTG will possibly held in Dublin (Ireland). Maybe it's helpful for some people...07:55
jpich \o/ \o/ \o/07:55
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ianychoijpich, your location? Dublin!07:55
jpichYup :)07:55
ianychoiYey :)07:56
robcresswell\o/ If its Dublin, I will likely be there too07:56
eumel8don't worry about the city guide ;)07:56
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eumel8#topic no shows at Sydney Summit07:56
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eumel8as I already mentioned, I gave the project update still in Denver I decided not to go to Sydney.07:57
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eumel8the zanata guys will be there, also with a nice session but the travel will be really far away07:58
ianychoieumel8, i see and understand - don't worry too much07:58
jpichIt is very far07:59
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eumel8ianychoi: I contact the Foundation for the time open time slot and it seems okay to loose them. They will use the video from Denver07:59
eumel8so, time is over07:59
ianychoiamotoki, I think you would be busy but hope to also help Zanata team07:59
eumel8#topic Open Discussion08:00
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ianychoieumel8, thank u!08:00
eumel8more discussions in i18n channel08:00
eumel8thx to all08:00
ianychoiThx all!08:00
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gmann#startmeeting qa08:00
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gmannWho all here today?08:00
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gmannlet's wait for couple of min for more people08:02
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gmannlet's start08:04
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gmanntoday agenda ^^08:04
gmann#topic Previous Meeting Action review08:05
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gmannseems like no AI from previous meeting08:05
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gmann#topic PTG Summary08:05
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gmannthanks andreaf for sending the summary08:05
gmannzhufl: you might have read this08:06
gmannalso we have queens priority etherpad - #link
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gmannpriority for queens can be found there08:07
masayukigI think any questions/suggestions are welcome :)08:07
gmannzhufl: we had 1 item for you about scenario manager refactoring if you are ok with that08:08
gmannany question about PTG08:09
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zhuflgmann: well, I'am not sure, I still remember one of Jordan's patch which takes long time not being able to merge08:09
zhuflgmann: do you remember the arguments about the refactory of scenario.manager?08:10
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gmannzhufl: ok, that might be prior to make copy of scenario manger on plugin side08:10
gmannzhufl: yes, that was because plugin were using it we could not break that. but to resolve that we copied scenario manger on each plugin side08:11
gmannhope all plugin has their own copy now. if so we can refactor scenario manager without issue08:11
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gmannzhufl: this ML - #link
zhuflgmann: oh, let me see08:13
gmannyou can find about status of plugin side fix ion this - #link
gmanni think we are all good to refactor now. we did not find anyone doping that actually08:13
gmannzhufl: thanks. it will good help08:14
gmannzhufl: if you have any query, feel free to ping08:14
gmannlet's move to next topic08:14
gmann#topic Forum Topics for Sydney Summit08:14
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gmannthere is anotehr mail from andreaf about forum topic for Sydney08:15
gmanntough he missed the qa in braces ands my filter did not work to get this mail under qa folder  :)08:15
gmannlike last time, we need to propose forum topic for QA and feel free to put your ideas in ethepad08:16
gmanndo not know about exact deadline but i think we have good amount of time08:17
masayukigheh, yeah, I'll take a look later08:17
gmannmasayukig: thanks08:18
zhuflgmann: the deadline for what?08:18
gmannzhufl: there is deadline to submit forum topic from each project08:18
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zhuflgmann: oh, I thought the session topic, which should have been finished08:20
gmann#topic Gate Stability08:20
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gmannzhufl: yea sessions topics are done and schedule is also out08:20
gmannzhufl: these are forum topic each project can have and after submission topic will be selected by selection team08:21
zhuflgmann: oh, interesting08:21
masayukigzhufl: are you able to come to the summit this time?08:21
gmannthose are more user developer interaction and gathering the feedback and requirement08:21
gmannits not USA :) so visa things should be fine08:22
masayukigI hope so...08:22
gmanntough i have apply by next week08:22
gmann*have to08:23
zhuflI don't know, we haven't started the discussion of who will go to summit:)08:23
gmannback to Gate topic08:24
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gmannit is more stable side now a days08:24
gmannnot much to discuss from my side08:24
gmannmasayukig: zhufl you have anything specific to bring08:25
zhuflexclude scenario tests it looks fine08:25
gmannzhufl: scenario tests are not going good?08:25
zhuflthey have more chance to fail08:26
gmannzhufl: did you observed the particular failure  or it is random timeout08:27
zhuflgmann: more likely to be random08:27
masayukigzhufl: hmm, if so, probably we should dig it more..08:27
gmannafazekas had idea about bringing the all scenario tests back to one job08:28
gmannso if something already going bad, we should bring it up which should help him08:29
zhuflmasayukig: gmann: oh, then I'll pay more attention to it from now on08:29
gmannzhufl: thanks that will help.08:30
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gmannzhufl: it will be good to bring particular failure and log bug and e-r query08:30
masayukigI actually subscribe this rss to see it08:30
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masayukigBut I only get periodic job failures, so far08:31
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gmannmasayukig:  nice08:31
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gmannmasayukig: can we see the failure log also08:32
masayukiggmann: yeah, we can see that from RSS08:33
masayukigThe RSS links to the o-h and logs08:33
gmannmasayukig: got it08:33
gmannmasayukig: thanks08:33
zhuflmasayukig: gate-tripleo-ci-centos-7-scenario002-multinode-oooq-puppet-nvFAILURE in 1h 58m 31s (non-voting)08:33
zhuflmasayukig: can something like this be seen in the site?08:34
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masayukigzhufl: now, we only store gate data not check queue data, so,08:36
masayukigI don't think so.08:36
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masayukiggmann: Am I correct?08:36
* andreaf o/08:36
gmannzhufl ^^08:37
gmannandreaf: hi08:37
* masayukig is preparing a birthday cake for andreaf :)08:37
gmannmasayukig: yea no check pipeline as f now08:37
zhuflI just be kicked by the bad network:)08:37
gmannmasayukig: oh, is it today?08:37
gmannzhufl: no issue, o-h does not have check jobs data08:38
masayukiggmann: Facebook said so :)08:38
andreafmasayukig: :) thanks!08:38
zhuflreally? happy birthday!08:38
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gmannandreaf: happy birthday and 🎂08:38
andreafthank you ^_^08:38
gmannmasayukig: ^^ i found cake :)08:38
andreafheh nice cake!08:38
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masayukiggmann: nice :)08:38
masayukigone more 🍰08:39
andreafwow thank you folks :)08:39
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zhuflgmann: what's this08:40
gmannok, let's observe the failure and try to add e-r more and more08:40
* andreaf feels like celebrating08:40
masayukiggmann: +108:40
gmannandreaf: yea virtual celebration :)08:40
gmannzhufl: beer and champion it was :)08:41
andreafzhufl: you should be able to get data on the overall pass/fail of the job from graphite08:41
gmannyea graphite can be seen for those08:41
gmannany more things on gate side?08:42
zhufloh i c08:42
andreafzhufl: something like this:
andreafwe are not running the ironic job anymore - thanks gmann08:42
andreafand we have the pike stable job as well08:43
gmannyea those are gone08:43
zhuflI can't visit google sites08:43
gmannandreaf: anything else you found to do more cleanup on job list side08:43
gmannmasayukig: thanks08:43
masayukigwow ...08:44
andreafmasayukig: you'll need a URL shortener :)08:44
gmannlet's move next08:45
gmann#topic Tempest08:45
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gmann^^ current open reviews08:45
gmanni will check comments on object storage client by tomorrow and update accordingly08:45 as stable:
gmannandreaf: ^^08:45
andreafgmann: the etherpad may be out of date sry08:46
gmannandreaf: ohk08:46
andreafgmann: but what's left is
andreafgmann: and your patches for the object storage client08:47
gmannandreaf: yea i will try to bring those upto date tomorrow08:47
andreafit would be great to merge all those while we are in the beginning of the cycle08:47
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andreafalso on Tempest I started looking at tracking test resources but I don't have anything in reviewable state yet08:48
andreafthere was one topic we discussed at PTG scenario refactor08:48
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andreafwe hoped zhufl might be interested in that?08:49
gmannandreaf: yea we talked about it with zhufl08:49
gmannall plugins have copy now right08:49
andreafoh great sorry I did not read the whole meeting :P08:50
zhuflI am just not very sure we can go smoothly:)08:50
gmannzhufl: will check the plugin if any pending and then we are good to go08:50
andreafzhufl: it would be great if you could start working on a patch series on that08:51
zhuflgmann: heh wish so:)08:51
gmannBug Triage:08:51
zhufl if we use api_microversion_fixture in setUp, we will not be able to create resources in resource_setup08:51
patchbotpatch 497760 - tempest - Merge volume message list and show testcases08:51
gmannit think i should have remove this as we are not doing bug triage any more in queens as discussed in PTG08:51
zhuflgmann: still one question about microversion08:51
gmannzhufl: i remember masayukig talked about this and i forgot to review08:52
gmannzhufl: i will check it in detail and get back to you08:52
zhuflgmann: ok:)08:52
andreafgmann: yeah we need to find a volunteer to drive bug triage and setup a different forum to discuss about bugs first though08:52
gmannandreaf: you will catch right person interested for bug traige08:52
andreafgmann: I will try to find someone :) but if you have candidates as well let me know please08:53
gmannandreaf: sure. may be we can check with chandankumar  if he is interested08:53
andreafunless any of you gmann masayukig zhufl want to be the bug czar for queens08:53
masayukigandreaf: interesting08:54
andreafyeah I wanted to ask him even though I think he already has a few things on his plate :)08:54
andreafmasayukig: are you volunteering?08:55
gmannseems so :)08:55
masayukigandreaf: let me think08:55
gmannok 5 min left08:55
zhuflthat will be great:)08:55
gmannlet's move08:55
andreafsure let me know!08:55
gmann#topic Patrole08:55
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gmannanything on patrole side or we can skip this08:56
gmannmultipolicy spec is merged now - #link
patchbotpatch 461140 - qa-specs - RBAC testing multiple policies (MERGED)08:56
andreafyay +108:57
gmann#topic Critical Reviews08:57
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gmannany critical reviews08:57
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gmannandreaf: i reviewed the series for class level cleanup and looks good08:57
zhuflandreaf: I really likes them08:57
gmann#topic Open Discussion08:58
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andreafgmann, zhufl: cool thanks I need to do that for the rest of the tests in tempest - help is welcome of course08:58
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gmannanything else to discuss08:58
gmannandreaf: sure08:58
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masayukigzhufl: andreaf: gmann: yeah, I like them, I missed to +2, though.08:58
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gmannandreaf: i have 1 new mentee interested in QA08:59
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gmanni will check with him and will be good to start these things08:59
andreafthat's great08:59
masayukiggmann: nice08:59
andreafok nice08:59
gmanntime up now08:59
gmannthanks all for joining08:59
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mriedem#startmeeting nova14:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep 21 14:00:12 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)"14:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'14:00
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tssuryaHi Everyone, I just want to quickly introduce myself here.  I am Surya, a newbie to the openstack developer community. I joined the cloud team at CERN recently with Belmiro as my supervisor, mainly for upstream contributions to nova cell_v2.14:00
edleafeWelcome, tssurya!14:01
mriedem#link agenda
mriedemlet's get started14:01
mriedem#topic release news14:01
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mriedem#link Queens release schedule:
mriedem#info Re-propose and review specs for Queens14:02
mriedem#info queens-1 milestone is Oct 1914:02
* bauzas waves14:02
mriedemyikes, so about a month14:02
mriedemto q-114:02
mriedemi think we should at least have dansmith's efficient multi-cell instance listing changes, alternative hosts, and efried's ksa adapter endpoint discovery stuff all merged by then14:03
dansmithgotta have migration uuid by then too, IMHO14:03
mriedemoh right yeah. really the instance listing thing should be done in the next week or two14:03
dansmithor.. done this week :)14:03
mriedemwe told the neutron team we'd shoot for q-1 for nested resource providers, which was priority #3 for placement, so that's going to be tight14:04
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bauzasI'm on the review side14:04
dansmithespecially with jay shoveling out his yard14:04
bauzasfor nested RPS14:04
mriedem#info Blueprints: 37 targeted, 10 approved, 1 complete14:05
edleafeI'll be reviewing those, too14:05
mriedemwe can get into the nitty gritty in a bit14:05
mriedem#topic bugs14:05
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mriedemnothing critical14:05
mriedem#info 4 new untriaged bugs (no change from last week)14:06
bauzasI was unable to triage 3 of those14:06
mriedemi triaged one last night where the person was definitely confused about devstack default mode not doing reschedules or up-calls at all14:06
bauzasso second eyes would be appreciated14:06
mriedemso we probably have an opportunity to put something into devstack docs to talk about cells v2 and link to our cells v2 layout docs14:06
mriedemif someone wants that14:06
dansmithor hurry up and get it fixed14:07
mriedemfor reschedules sure,14:07
mriedemthe upcall thing not so much14:07
mriedemtihs was the server group affinty check14:07
mriedembut moving on14:07
mriedemgate status, besides the live migration qemu thing from the other day, is ok14:08
mriedem3rd party CI: a few were broken last night but a fix is going through now14:08
mriedem#topic reminders14:08
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mriedemi don't have anything to remind anyone about14:08
mriedem#topic stable branch status14:08
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mriedem#link stable/pike:,n,z14:09
mriedem#link Pike 16.0.1 release request
patchbotpatch 505796 - releases - pike: release nova 16.0.114:09
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mriedemthanks to tonyb and lyarwood for the stable pike review push last week at the ptg14:09
mriedem#link stable/ocata:,n,z14:09
mriedem#link stable/newton:,n,z14:09
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mriedemthose are doing ok for now14:10
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mriedem#topic subteam highlights14:10
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mriedemdansmith: cells v214:10
dansmithso, we ended up having a hangout meeting so we could go over some of the finer points of my efficient instance list series,14:11
dansmithwhich I think was pretty successful14:11
dansmithalso got some good review from mr "i-will-find-any-holes" gibi last night14:11
mriedem#link efficient multi-cell instance listing series starts here:
patchbotpatch 504983 - nova - Add base implementation for efficient cross-cell i...14:11
dansmithwe also talked about progress on the console proxy patch series14:11
dansmiththat's about it.. just steaming ahead.14:12
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mriedemtssurya: since you're new, just fyi that there is a weekly cells v2 meeting14:12
mriedemtssurya: since cern is a big cells v1 shop, it would be great to get any feedback on what cern is doing to transition to cells v214:13
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mriedemtssurya: because we plan on dropping support for cells v1 in the next release (rocky)14:13
mriedemedleafe: scheduler highlights14:13
edleafeMeeting was sparsely attended on Monday, so no new directions since PTG14:14
edleafeStarting to work on priorities set at PTG14:14
edleafeReturn alternate host spec:
patchbotpatch 504275 - nova-specs - Return Alternate Hosts14:14
edleafeNested RP spec re-proposed:
patchbotpatch 505209 - nova-specs - Re-propose nested resource providers spec14:14
edleafeWork not yet re-started on nested RP (thanks, Irma!)14:14
edleafeLots of placement objects successfully unregistered14:14
edleafeThat's it.14:14
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mriedemand the migration uuid stuff is taking a back seat until we land the efficient cross cell listing stuff14:14
mriedembut yeah we should focus on alternative hosts14:15
mriedemthanks ed14:15
mriedemalex_xu: API meeting highlights?14:15
mriedemanyone at the api meeting?14:16
mriedemwas there an api meeting?14:16
mriedemok moving on14:16
mriedemgibi: was there a notification meeting?14:16
mriedemok priority is on the bdm series?14:16
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gibiyes, let's get close that14:16
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gibiand besides that we only have the transformation work14:17
mriedemthanks, beat me to it14:17
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mriedemwe have a meeting later today14:17
mriedemthey are working on the new microversion to add the shared connection flag to the attachments model i think14:18
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tssuryamriedem : yes thanks for the info, I was about to attend the cell_v2 meeting yesterday, but it did not happen.14:18
mriedemtssurya: yeah, sorry, it is usually just me, dansmith and melwitt, so we got on a hangout to talk through some code changes14:18
dansmithtssurya: sorry about that, we decided at the last minute to have it in hangouts14:19
dansmithtssurya: definitely a good idea to just hang out in #openstack-nova to see those kinds of changes14:19
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dansmithtssurya: but I can try to remember to ping you next time if that happens14:19
mriedemtssurya: btw, what timezone are you in?14:19
tssuryamriedem : UTC +114:19
tssuryadansmith : a ping would be great!14:20
dansmithtssurya: but please do hang out in the nova channel,14:20
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dansmithtssurya: most of the discussion will happen there and not in meetings :)14:20
dansmithtssurya: anyway, let's let the meeting proceed and we can chat in -nova after if you like14:20
tssuryadansmith : good to know, will start hanging out there14:20
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mriedemok so back to the cinder stuff,14:21
mriedemthis is a new change since the ptg on the cinder side
patchbotpatch 504467 - cinder - Check for outstanding attachments during reserve14:21
* jaypipes just ran nested patch set tests... need to fix a bunch of stuff14:21
mriedemi think that's to address the window when we swap attachments and want to keep the volume reserved14:21
mriedemjohnthetubaguy: fyi ^14:21
mriedemi don't see any changes or specs for a new microversion on the cinder side for shared storage connections modeling, so will bring that up in the meeting later today14:22
mriedem#topic stuck reviews14:22
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mriedemthere was nothing on the agenda. does anyone have something they need to bring up here?14:22
mriedemok moving on14:22
mriedem#topic open discussion14:22
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mriedemthere was nothing on the agenda, but i have one small thing14:22
mriedemwe didn't talk about spec freeze dates at the ptg, but i'm assuming people are ok with q-1 for spec freeze14:23
mriedemthat's what we've done the last 2 releases14:23
johnthetubaguyseems reasonable, I was hoping to do some spec reviews soon, and get the ironic traits stuff up for review14:23
mriedemok that's that then14:24
mriedemanything else today?14:24
bauzasthe thing is, something depending on some design that is not firm by before m-1 has litterally no chances to be merged for Queens14:24
bauzasso yeah14:24
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mriedemok let's call it a meeting then, thanks everyone14:25
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