Tuesday, 2017-09-26

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hongbin#startmeeting zun03:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Sep 26 03:00:02 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.03:00
hongbin#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zun#Agenda_for_2017-09-26_0300_UTC Today's agenda03:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.03:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zun)"03:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'zun'03:00
hongbin#topic Roll Call03:00
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hongbinthanks for joining mkrai Shunli kevinz03:01
hongbinok, let's get started03:01
hongbin#topic Announcements03:01
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hongbin1. Welcome Kien Nguyen to join the core team.03:01
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hongbinkiennt26: there?03:01
hongbinkiennt26: welcome to the core team03:01
mkraiCongrats Kkiennt26 ! Welcome :)03:02
kiennt26hongbin: thank you :D03:02
Shunli Congrats Kkiennt2603:02
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kevinzwelcome kiennt2603:02
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hongbini finish my announcement, any other announcement from our team member?03:02
kiennt26mkrai, Shunli, kevinz: Thank you all.03:02
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hongbinok, next topic03:03
hongbin#topic Cinder integration (hongbin)03:03
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hongbin#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/direct-cinder-integration Direct Cinder integration03:03
hongbin#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/zun+branch:master+topic:bp/direct-cinder-integration03:03
hongbinwe need reviews on these two patches in particular:03:04
hongbin#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/499374/03:04
patchbotpatch 499374 - zun - Implement Cinder attach workflow03:04
hongbin#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/499381/03:04
patchbotpatch 499381 - zun - Introduce Cinder volume driver03:04
mkraiI will try to do it this week03:04
hongbinthese two patches are the being depended by other patches03:05
hongbinmkrai: thx03:05
hongbinthat is all from my side03:05
hongbinany remark on this topic?03:05
hongbin#topic Introduce container composition (kevinz)03:06
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hongbin#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/introduce-compose03:06
hongbinkevinz: ^^03:06
kevinzThis week some patches have been merged. Thanks all for review :-)03:06
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kevinzI will modify the doc and add OSC support in zun-client03:07
kevinzAnd do some investigation about aci-k8s-connector03:07
hongbinkevinz: investigation on aci-k8s-connector would be cool !03:08
mkrai+1 for aci-k8s-connector03:08
kevinzhongbin: it is an interesting topic :-)03:09
hongbinkevinz: yes, it is also a critical feature in zun03:09
hongbinkevinz: we count on you on that, i will give you some helps03:09
kevinzhongbin: absolutely03:09
kevinzhongbin: Thanks hongbin03:10
hongbinkevinz: np03:10
kevinzThat's all from my side about capsule :-)03:11
hongbinthanks kevinz03:11
kevinzmy pleasure03:11
hongbin#topic Add support for clear container (mkrai)03:11
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hongbin#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/support-secure-container03:12
hongbinmkrai: ^^03:12
mkraiI didn't get time last week to make any progress on this03:12
mkraiI was trying to write patch to update the daemon.json to include the new runtime03:12
hongbinmkrai: yes, that would be a good start03:13
mkraiI was stuck at the technical issue where modifying a json file was a problem03:13
hongbinwhat technical issue?03:14
mkraiHow to modify a json file from shell script03:14
mkraiI tried to look for answers but didn't get much help03:14
hongbinif the file is static, we can simply dump the json text into the file03:15
mkraihongbin: I can ping you offline for this03:15
hongbinmkrai: ack03:15
mkraiThat's all from me03:16
mkraihongbin: Thank you03:16
hongbinthanks mkrai03:16
hongbin#topic NFV use cases (lakerzhou, Shunli)03:16
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hongbin#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zun-nfv-use-cases03:16
hongbinShunli: have anything to update?03:16
ShunliInvestigated the nova pci workflow last week.03:17
hongbin(lakerzhou is leaving these days for personal issues)03:17
Shunliworking on the pci tracker.03:17
hongbinok, everything on the right track?03:18
Shunlican get all the pci info by linux shell though it's a bit urgly.03:18
patchbotpatch 500418 - zun - Port pci device objects from nova to zun03:18
patchbotpatch 505504 - zun - port pci device pool from nova to zun03:18
Shunlithese two patch need review.03:19
Shunlithe later work depend on it.03:19
Shunliwill port the pci stats and refine the pci tracker this week.03:20
Shunlihongbin: i think yes.03:20
hongbinShunli: great03:20
Shunlithat's all for me.03:20
hongbinShunli: thanks for all the hard work on this, Shunli :)03:20
Shunlimy pleasure.03:20
hongbinall, any other question for Shunli ?03:21
hongbin#topic Open Discussion03:21
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hongbinany topic to bring up for discussion?03:22
hongbinseems no03:22
hongbinall, thanks for joining the meeting, see you next time03:22
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samPHi all for Masakari04:00
samP#startmeeting masakari04:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Sep 26 04:00:42 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is samP. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.04:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.04:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'masakari'04:00
samPHi all..04:00
Dinesh_BhorHi all04:01
samPI took a week vacation after PTG...:p04:01
samPHope you all doing good..04:01
samPLet's start..04:02
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samP#topic Bugs04:02
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samPany bugs to discuss/04:02
samPseems not. if any, please bring them up in AOB at end of the meeting04:03
openstackLaunchpad bug 1715486 in oslo.versionedobjects "py35 tests failing due to iso8601 module change" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to zhangyangyang (zhangyangyang)04:03
tpatilAre you working on this bug?04:03
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patchbotpatch 501515 - masakari - iso8601.is8601.Utc No Longer Exists04:04
samP^^ here is the patch04:04
rkmrHonjothanks, I'll review it after that.04:05
samPtpatil: rkmrHonjo thanks04:05
samPAny other items?04:05
samPOK then,04:06
samP#topic Discussion points04:06
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samP(1) Application for become OpenStack official project04:06
samPvoting in progress. Now we have 4 tc votes and hopefully it will be approved within week or 204:07
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samPOther members from Suse, RedHat also gave there +1 for proposal.04:08
tpatilsamP: Nice work!!!04:08
abhishekkgood news04:08
samPIn PTG, we presented the proposal to TC and had one questing about diversity of the core team04:08
samPcurrent core team is only from NTT.04:09
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samPSo, I asked Adam (Suse), whether he can join the core team and contribute to Masakari04:09
samPAnswer was, Yes. I will propose him to core team in ML. Please cast your vote. Also, if you have any comment or objections please post them to ML04:10
samPAnd, freezer-dr do some what similar things to masakari04:11
samP#link https://github.com/openstack/freezer-dr freezer-dr04:12
samPIn PTG, me and Adam had discussion with Freezer PTL and he agree to take look at Masakari.04:13
samPDiscussion will continue..04:13
samPCurrently, this has no effect on TC review process.04:13
tpatilBoth the project goals are almost similar, can both projects exists in parallel?04:14
samPAnd masakari is part of self-healing SIG04:14
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samP#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-September/122215.html self-healing SIG04:15
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samPplease read ^^ for what is self-healing SIG04:15
rkmrHonjoI got it.04:16
samPThat's all form my side about TC proposal, any questions or comments?04:16
samPOr you may ask later...04:17
rkmrHonjotpatil wrote his question.04:17
samPrkmrHonjo: Got it..sorry04:17
tpatilCan both projects (freezer-dr and masakari) exists in parallel?04:17
samPtpatil: Thierry has discussed this with Freezer team. Still no question raised on this.04:18
samPtpatil: However, Freezer could have similar functions to provide site to site DR04:19
samPWhile Masakri maily focus on instance HA in single site.04:20
samPWe will discuss this wit Freezer team.04:20
tpatilsamP: Sure04:20
samPThis discussion will continue on self-healing SIG04:21
samPI will share if any updates on this.04:21
tpatilsamP: Thank you04:22
samP#topic Install guide document04:22
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tpatilsamP: I will watch this mailing thread04:22
samPtpatil: thanks04:22
samPFor this topic, I must apologize to abhishekk04:22
abhishekksamP: no problem04:23
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samPHe proposed docs with official project schema, and we decide not to use it, because we are not an official project04:23
samPHowever, in 1 or 2 weeks we are04:24
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abhishekkI guess we can easily revert it back,04:24
samPThen we are able to use official project schema04:25
tpatilabhishekk: Have you made any additional changes to the docs contents other than scheme changes?04:25
samPabhishekk: thanks. shall we wait until the TC diction?04:25
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abhishekktpatil: yes, whole structure has changed04:25
abhishekksamP: yes we can wait till then04:26
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tpatilabhishekk: ok04:26
samPabhishekk: thanks04:27
samP#topic recovery method customization04:27
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samPtpatil: abhishekk any update on this?04:28
tpatilsamP:abhishekk discussed this topic in PTG04:28
tpatil# link : https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mistral-ptg-queens04:28
tpatilsamP: Our understanding was correct. There is a need to change setup.cfg, call mistral-db populate command and restart executor nodes04:29
tpatilsamP: check line #72-#77 from above etherpad url04:29
samPtpatil: Got it. but what does it mean "generate OpenStack actions based on openstacklient" ?04:31
tpatilabhishekk: Any input on this point?04:32
samPGenerate action upon the request from openstack client?04:32
tpatilsamP: IMO, it could be about mapping methods exposed in openstackclient with the actions04:33
abhishekkthis means, instead of calling actions of individual clients it will use openstack client04:33
abhishekktpatil: correct04:34
samPtpatil: abhishekk thanks04:34
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samPSo, how does it effect to our implementation?04:35
samPsorry for poor understanding on this.04:35
tpatilsamP: I think we should create a new repository to add custom actions required by Masakari04:35
tpatilsamP: it will be a library which should be installed on executor nodes04:36
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tpatilon masakari side, we will build a yaml to execute workflow04:36
samPtpatil: now I remember..04:36
samPtpatil: got it..04:37
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tpatilsamP abhishekk has proposed the specs04:38
tpatil# link : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/458023/04:38
patchbotpatch 458023 - masakari-specs - Recovery method customization04:38
samPIf end user wants use masakari and mistral, then user needs to install this lib04:38
samPwe need to provide builds for this lib04:38
samPtpatil: thanks, I will review the spec04:38
tpatilsamP: User means operator04:39
samPtpatil: yes04:39
samPDoes any other project use same method?04:39
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tpatilDinesh_Bhor: You have come across one project which uses same approach, correct?04:40
Dinesh_BhorsamP: yes, tripleO, tripleO-common04:40
abhishekkglance_store is a library used by glance and glare04:40
samPDinesh_Bhor: abhishekk thanks04:40
Dinesh_Bhor#link https://github.com/openstack/tripleo-common04:40
samPdo they maintain their own lib for this?04:41
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samPabhishekk: Dinesh_Bhor: tpatil: thanks. I will take a look on those info04:42
abhishekksamP: glance_store does not use mistral but its a library and is used by two different projects04:42
samPabhishekk: yep..got it..04:42
samPMay be we nee to maintain the masakari driver for openstack-resource-agents also..04:43
samPI will update on this later..04:44
tpatilsamP: I remember there was some discussion long back that openstack-resource-agents will provide a pluggable driver to send the notifications04:44
tpatilsamP: Are you talking about the same?04:44
samPtpatil: yes.. same topic04:45
tpatilsamP: Ok04:45
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samPrkmrHonjo and I working on this with Adam04:45
tpatilsamP: ok04:45
tpatilsamP: Is the abstraction interface already defined?04:46
tpatilin openstack-resource-agents to send notifications04:46
samPtpatil: not yet. rkmrHonjo crate a PoC for this. Based on this we will discuss how to implement this feature04:47
tpatilsamP: Ok, I got it04:47
samPI will share those info in ML04:47
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tpatilsamP: thanks04:47
rkmrHonjosamP: thanks.04:47
samP#topic Find hosts without specifying segments04:48
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samPrkmrHonjo: any update on this?04:48
rkmrHonjoTakahara and I create a BP and spec.04:48
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rkmrHonjo#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/506986/04:48
patchbotpatch 506986 - masakari-specs - Find segment by specifying host04:49
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rkmrHonjoPlease review it.04:49
samPrkmrHonjo: OK, I was looking in wrong place04:49
samPits on python-masakariclient..04:49
samPI will approve thsi BP and review the patch set04:50
samPrkmrHonjo: thanks04:50
samP#topic Queens Work Items04:50
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samP#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/masakari-queens-workitems04:51
samPFirst, lets finish the items "Started in Pike and incomplete"04:51
samPDidn't have much time to review all the items on the etherpad.04:52
samPLet's discuss the priority of "items skipped to Queens" and Newly proposed items in next week IRC04:53
tpatilsamP: Ok04:53
samPI will sort them before that.04:53
rkmrHonjosamP: Agree.04:53
samP#topic BM HA (ironic + nova)04:53
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tpatilAdd ssl support to Masakari API04:53
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samPtpatil: any comments on SSL support/04:54
tpatilsamP: This item is already implement in masakari, only devstack patch is pending04:54
tpatilabhishekk: Can you please follow-up on the devstack patch?04:55
tpatil# link : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/416009/04:55
patchbotpatch 416009 - openstack-dev/devstack - Ignores ssl configuration option added in local.conf04:55
abhishekktpatil: that patch is old and now we need to use tls support in devstack04:55
samPtpatil: ok,04:56
samPabhishekk: is that the reason you put -1 to WF?04:56
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samPabhishekk: can you update that patch?04:57
abhishekksamP: need to analyse how to use tls and then i will update the patch04:57
samPabhishekk: sure04:57
samPI add a note in therpad on this.04:58
samPto original topic: BM HA (ironic + nova)04:58
samPWe had discussion with Ironic and Nova about this feature.04:59
samP#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-queens-ptg-feature-proposals see L #12804:59
samPThis proposal is to do HA manually.05:00
samPPlease see the links for more details05:00
samPtimes up05:00
tpatilsamP: Ok05:00
samPLets's discuss further in ML and next meeting05:00
abhishekkthank you05:00
rkmrHonjothank you all05:00
samPno time left, lets end the meeting here05:00
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Dinesh_Bhorthank you.05:01
samPThank you all..05:01
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chenying#startmeeting karbor09:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Sep 26 09:01:33 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is chenying. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.09:01
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yuvalhey :)09:02
chenyingping jiaopengju09:02
jiaopengjuhi chenying09:02
chenyingwill gengchangcai attend this meeting?09:03
jiaopengjuIt seems he is not online09:03
chenying#topic •Adding more protection parameters retention period09:04
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jiaopengjuI added this topic09:04
jiaopengjuI have some different thoughts about retain_duration and max_backups09:05
jiaopengjuchenying, yuval: Can you see the comments on that patch?09:06
yuvaljiaopengju: yes09:06
yuvaljiaopengju: max_duration can not be enforced if set on the 'protect' operation09:07
jiaopengjuyuval: yes09:08
yuvalmy suggestion: create a 'retention_enforce' operation that deletes old checkpoints, based on time and maximum amount. Run it periodically09:08
jiaopengjuchenying: I see your comments09:09
yuvalwe can also create a composite operation, called which is essentially a composite 'protect + retention_enforce' and call it when creating a checkpoint. That way if we surpass the maximum amount, old checkpoints will be deleted09:09
chenyingadd a new type operation with these parameters?09:09
yuvalchenying: yes09:09
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chenyingIt seem a good way. I will not affect the current the 'protect' operation.09:10
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yuvalit is important to note that currently in Karbor, 'delete' operation immediately triggers an actual delete. Originally, we spoke about marking the checkpoint as 'about to be deleted' and let garbage collection do the work later, as other sites might be accessing the checkpoint resources09:10
jiaopengjuyuval chenying: I agree with ‘create a 'retention_enforce' operation that deletes old checkpoints, based on time and maximum amount. Run it periodically’09:12
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chenyingyuval You mean that his new type operation with parameters is a mixed operation, it can call delete or protect operation ?09:13
yuvalchenying: I mean, that if it is important to you to delete old checkpoints immediately if 'max_backups' is violated, you can call 'protect + retention_enforce' composite operation09:14
yuvalchenying: imo most people won't care09:14
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chenyingYes user may don't care. I agree that introducing a 'protect + retention_enforce' composite operation.09:15
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chenyingWe don't need add some handler in current protion pertion about the  parameters about 'max_backups'.09:16
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chenyingso what's your oppion? jiaopengju09:19
jiaopengjuchenying yuval : composite operation may be easy to add. But may be a little strange. IMO, retention should be set to some specify resources.09:20
jiaopengjuspecify resources —> checkpoint09:20
jiaopengjuAs I wrote in the comments. For example, I create a checkpoint c1 and I want it can be deleted 5 days later.  What should I do?09:21
chenying'protect + retention_enforce' composite operation: protect opertion is creating new checkpoint periodically, retention_enforce handle the parameters.09:22
jiaopengjuchengying: I know what you mean09:23
chenyingnow we only consider add the policy parameters like max_backups and retention_duration for the  time scheduled operation.09:24
jiaopengjuchenying: Maybe what I concerned about is not the same use case with the specs09:24
chenyingYou want to set some policy parameters like max_backups and retention_duration  for the single creating checkpoint API?09:25
jiaopengjulike swift object expiration09:27
chenyingIn karbor, we will not consider set some policy for single checkpoint API only. All these parameters need be considered in  scheduled operation API.09:27
jiaopengjuIf so, composite operation may be suitable09:28
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chenyingIMO, the parameters like max_backups and retention_duration are the addition policy for time scheduled operation.09:29
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jiaopengjuchenying: agree09:30
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chenyingso  composite operation for this usecase.09:30
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chenying#topic Open Discussion09:32
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chenyingyuval jiaopengju do you have anything want to discuss?09:32
yuvalFirst I would like to congratulate jiaopengju for the Karbor core role09:33
jiaopengjuthank you yuval :)09:33
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jiaopengjuchenying yuval: it’s my honour to work with you guys09:34
yuvalSecond, I'll be leaving my current company in the beginning of November, and probably won't have time to continue contributing much to Karbor09:34
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jiaopengjusad to hear that09:35
jiaopengjuyuval: but congratulations to your new job09:36
yuvalI'm convinced that chenying can lead this project flawlessly09:36
chenyingIt's a pleasure working with you, yuval/09:36
yuvalchenying: jiaopengju: thank you :)09:36
yuvalchenying: jiaopengju: pleasure working with you too09:37
yuvalthat's it09:37
jiaopengjuyuval: :)09:37
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chenyingyuval congratulations on your new job. welcome to china for traveling.09:39
yuvalchenying: thank you =D09:40
chenyingso do we have anything else to discuss? If not  I wll end this meeting.09:40
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ruijie_#startmeeting senlin13:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Sep 26 13:00:22 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ruijie_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:00
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ruijie_evening :)13:00
XueFenghi, ruijie13:01
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ruijie_hi XueFeng13:01
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ruijie_hi Qiming13:01
XueFenghello, Qiming13:01
ruijie_let's get started :)13:02
ruijie_the tempest plugin13:03
patchbotpatch 506550 - governance - Add senlin-tempest-plugin to project list13:03
ruijie_this patch is under reviewed13:03
ruijie_another one is abuot the lb policy: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/504548/13:04
patchbotpatch 504548 - senlin - Add code to fix the problem that support existed l... (MERGED)13:04
ruijie_sorry I merged it myself ..13:04
Qimingit's fine, it looks okay to me13:04
Qimingdo you still have some concerns?13:04
ruijie_yes, since that improvement could be proposed later13:05
ruijie_another thing is the schedule of the meetup13:05
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ruijie_so, the 2nd weekend of Oct is a little bit early, I guess13:07
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ruijie_about that patch, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/504548/2/senlin/policies/lb_policy.py, can we just ignore the error when attaching?13:12
patchbotpatch 504548 - senlin - Add code to fix the problem that support existed l... (MERGED)13:12
XueFengHi, ruijie_, how about  the main works this cycle?13:12
QimingI replied on the mailinglist, I won't be able to join you if it is scheduled on Oct 14/1513:12
QimingI will be traveling to Wuhan13:12
ruijie_yes Qiming, I saw the e-mail, the schedule is flexable, so that we all can join it13:13
ruijie_XieFeng, actually, the meetup is aim to discuss features13:14
ruijie_may need to talk to each other, we have options13:15
ruijie_if we cannot get most of up together, then we can use zoom or something to have a virtual meeting13:15
Qimingone week later would be good for me13:16
XueFengBetter to together13:16
ruijie_yes Qiming, XueFeng, I did't get all the replies13:16
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ruijie_okay, Qiming, XueFeng, I am going to ping everyone to check the schedule and opinions :)13:19
ruijie_that's my job :)13:19
ruijie_about the patch we just talked about, I received e-mail from Tingting Yu13:20
patchbotpatch 504548 - senlin - Add code to fix the problem that support existed l... (MERGED)13:20
ruijie_the patch itself is fine, about the TODO in commonts, that is not easy to roll back13:21
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Qimingsome nodes successfully joined the LB pool, others failed13:22
ruijie_yes, need to erase the lb info in node.data either13:23
ruijie_can we just ignore the error, since we support cluster_recover in lb policy13:23
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Qimingwe may need a design on how to handle such kinds of partial failures13:30
ruijie_em.. that may be fine we have 10 nodes in the cluster and in the attaching process, 9 success, 1 fail13:32
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Qimingit may be and may be not okay13:33
Qimingreally depends on the usage scenario13:33
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ruijie_but we can recover the failed nodes later13:36
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ruijie_we do not know whether the lb service went down, or just network problems, but we can be optimistic and provide methods to recover it?13:37
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ruijie_will think about it latter :) Qiming, XueFeng: that's all from my side13:41
Qimingyes, it makes sense13:42
Qiminghowever, I am not quite sure cluster_recover operation can cover these failure scenarios13:42
Qimingwe can talk about it duing meetup13:43
ruijie_yes Qiming, then we can improve the cluster_recover operation :)13:43
ruijie_Qiming, XueFeng, do we have other topics to share13:46
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ruijie_thanks for joining, Gentlemen :)13:49
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ruijie_we can end it a little bit early :)13:49
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jlibosva#startmeeting networking14:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Sep 26 14:00:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jlibosva. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
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jlibosvaHello everyone14:00
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jlibosva#topic Announcements14:00
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jlibosvathe PTL role has been transitioned to mlavalle : http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-September/122004.html14:01
jlibosvathanks mlavalle for being our leader for Queens :)14:01
mlavalleThank you all for the trust14:01
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jlibosvathere was a PTG two weeks ago, mlavalle sent out the summary that you can find here: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-September/122583.html14:02
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jlibosvanext announcement: ihrachys sent out an email about Ocata stable phase: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-September/122626.html14:02
jlibosvawhich means "Only critical bugfixes and security patches are acceptable." for the Ocata branch14:03
jlibosvathat's all announcements I prepared anybody has any announcement to make?14:03
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mlavalleI have on14:04
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haleybmlavalle: we need to update bugs.rst with new owners, there's more than just kevin that needs updating in there, i'll get started on that today14:04
mlavalleThere is a call to propose Forum sessions for Sydne14:04
mlavallehaleyb: thanks!14:04
haleybwhen in doubt i'll default to you :)14:05
jlibosvathe site where you can propose a session for Sydney Forum: http://forumtopics.openstack.org/14:05
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jlibosvaany other announcements?14:06
mlavallenot from me14:07
jlibosvaok, let's move one then14:07
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jlibosva#topic Blueprints14:07
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jlibosva#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/queens14:07
jlibosvaI'm looking there assuming those are current BPs scheduled for Q cycle14:08
ihrachysI am looking at white page because comcast sucks14:08
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jlibosvaI can send you a screenshot :)14:08
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ihrachysthanks, but I think I can survive14:09
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jlibosvaThe next Q-1 milestone is scheduled to 19 October 2017, currently planned blueprints to this milestone are https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/queens-114:09
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jlibosvaregarding run-in-wsgi-server , should we find a new assignee ?14:10
jlibosvait's marked as high priority b14:10
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mlavallesorry, my irc client froze14:11
ihrachysI think kevinbenton was saying during ptg he will take care of that?14:11
ihrachysbut of course it would be nice to have someone who is available fulltime to at least back kevinbenton up14:11
mlavallewhich one?14:11
ihrachysmlavalle, run-in-wsgi-server14:12
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mlavalleI tried to update https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/live-migration-portbinding earlier today, with my name14:13
mlavallebut I don't have privileges to do it. Who can grant me those privileges?14:14
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jlibosvamlavalle: maybe armax can?14:14
mlavalleok, I'll ping him later today14:15
jlibosvamlavalle: what do you think about the run-in-wsgi-server assignee, should we keep it up to kevinbenton ?14:15
mlavalleprobably not. But I'll talk to him Thursday or Friday14:16
mlavallewhen he comes back from orientation14:16
mlavallethere are several things in the PTG summary that he put his name on14:17
ihrachyswe also need approvers are reviews for each piece14:17
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mlavalleso I will find out a realistic picture14:17
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ihrachys*approvers aka reviewers14:17
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mlavalleihrachys: yes, that is why I want to be able to update them14:17
mlavalleI will work over the next few days lining this up14:18
mlavallejlibosva: would you please add an action item for me on this?14:19
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jlibosva#action mlavalle to go over bp and update assignees and approvers14:19
jlibosvaam I doing something wrong or the bot is dead?14:19
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ihrachysno why14:19
ihrachysI don't think it should report the action added14:20
ihrachysit will still be in resulting report14:20
ihrachysit switches topics just fine14:20
jlibosvaoh, I thought it always reacts14:20
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jlibosvaalright then14:20
jlibosvaanybody else has anything regarding blueprints? is anybody blocked on any issue?14:20
jlibosvaannp_: hi14:21
annp_In PTG, We have discussed about security group logging. There are some patch is targeted for queen-114:21
patchbotpatch 396104 - neutron - [log]: implement logging agent extension14:21
patchbotpatch 468265 - neutron - [log]: Add driver api and rpc stuff for logging14:21
patchbotpatch 468281 - neutron - [log] ovs fw logging implementation14:21
annp_So I’d to get more attention from folks on that. Thanks in advance.14:21
annp_In PTG, We have discussed about security group logging. There are some patch is targeted for queen-114:21
patchbotpatch 396104 - neutron - [log]: implement logging agent extension14:21
patchbotpatch 468281 - neutron - [log] ovs fw logging implementation14:21
patchbotpatch 468265 - neutron - [log]: Add driver api and rpc stuff for logging14:21
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mlavalleannp_: they are in my sight to review them over the next few days14:22
annp_So I 'd like get more attention from folks.14:22
mlavalleand I encourage other revieres to do the same :-)14:22
annp_Thanks mlavalle.14:22
jlibosvamlavalle: are you gonna put yourself as approver to the BP for this one? :)14:22
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mlavallemaybe, don't know yet14:23
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jlibosvaok :)14:23
annp_that's all from me14:23
jlibosvaannp_: thanks for bringing this up :)14:23
yushirothanks annp_14:23
jlibosvaany other BPs patches lack reviews?14:23
annp_jlibosva: thanks please go ahead.14:24
jlibosva#topic bugs14:24
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yushirojlibosva, Thanks for ur help!!14:24
jlibosvaa small announcement from the PTG14:24
jlibosvaas we've been struggling lately to get bug deputies, it was agreed at the PTG to have a rotating roles14:24
ihrachysdo we have an ordered list of 'volunteers'?14:25
mlavallewe don't yet.14:25
mlavalleI was travelling last week, so I need to work on that this week14:25
mlavalleI will propose a roster14:25
jlibosvamaybe we should make an etherpad or something where volunteers can sign up for rotating role?14:26
mlavallejlibosva: that is an excellent idea14:26
ihrachysyeah I guess it makes sense to create the list on volunteer base still14:26
ihrachysthen rotate by force :)14:26
mlavalleI will create it and send an email in a little bit14:27
jlibosvamakes sense :)14:27
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jlibosvaI don't see any current critical bug on the LP - does anybody have any bug he'd like to mention here?14:28
mlavalle#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-rotating-bug-deputy-volunteers14:28
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ihrachyswe just spotted a linuxbridge bug in logs14:29
jlibosvamlavalle: nice :)14:29
ihrachysand I don't know whom to ask to triage those now that kevinbenton is out14:29
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ihrachys(there is no bug report yet, but I have log link if interested)14:29
ihrachysmy question is general: who's the linuxbridge fella now14:29
jlibosvaI noticed slaweq does some work around linuxbridge14:30
jlibosvaat least for fullstack14:30
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jlibosvamaybe he could help you?14:30
ihrachysit's about iptables rules. I can try.14:30
jlibosvaiptables rules for firewall driver?14:30
haleybi can help with SG code as well14:31
jlibosvayeah, I also digged into some iptables stuff too14:31
ihrachyshaleyb, ok let's run through it off band14:31
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mlavallestill, we need to identify someone to help with Linuxbridge in general14:31
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mlavallenot necessarily now14:32
mlavallein this meeting14:32
jlibosva#action we must find a new linuxbridge agent guru14:32
mlavallejlibosva: lol, you beat me to it14:32
haleybmaybe it's time to put linuxbridge into life-support mode?  mark it for deprecation in Rocky and see who screams?14:32
ihrachyswell that's harsh. let's give the team time to find new people.14:33
jlibosvawe could have a look at the latest openstack survey to see how many users would be impacted14:33
ihrachysalternatively, it will bitrot itself and then it will be a safe call14:33
mlavalleyeah, let's try to find some one14:33
haleybi will charge the paddles to keep it alive :)14:33
jlibosvaok :) if nobody has other bugs to talk about I think we can move on14:34
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jlibosva#topic Docs14:34
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jlibosvaboden: hi, are you already around? :)14:35
mlavalleI think we held the line fine for boden14:35
bodenhi, I’m here14:35
jlibosvagood timing :)14:35
bodencontinuing to work through doc/api-ref tagged bugs, a number of patches out for review14:36
bodenincluding patches to validate URL links via a tox target14:36
mlavalleI think I reviewed that want last night14:36
patchbotpatch 505327 - neutron - add doc link validation to release checklist and tox14:36
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bodenyes you did14:36
mlavallethat one^^^14:36
mlavalleI wanted others to take a look14:37
mlavalleif nobody does, I'll merge it later today14:37
bodenyup, good idea14:37
bodenthere’s one for lib too14:37
patchbotpatch 506342 - neutron-lib - add api ref and doc link validation to release14:38
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mlavalleok, will take a look as well14:38
bodenalso I saw note on the ML about generating PDFs for docs… I will have to follow up on that in the next doc meeting14:38
bodennot clear if we should look into that for neutron/lib, but I’ll try to find out14:39
bodenI don’t have any other doc topics, unless there are questions/comments14:39
jlibosvaboden: thanks for updates14:40
jlibosvaI think we can jump to the lib topic14:40
jlibosva#topic Neutron-lib14:41
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jlibosvaboden: hi :)14:41
bodenneutron-lib 1.10.0 is released… requirement bumps to pick it up should be in the queue now14:41
bodensomeone was asking for that release at the PTG, but sorry I can recall who now14:41
bodenas we discussed at PTG, I re-queued the callback payload changes.. more details: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-September/122293.html14:42
bodenand finally I’m re-queuing a number of lib impact (consumption) changes… I will send a consolodated note/list when they are all ready14:43
bodenthat’s what I have for lib14:43
mlavallethanks.... enjoy your vacation days :-)14:44
bodenthanks :)14:44
jlibosva+1 to the above :)14:44
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jlibosvaanybody has any comments/questions to neutron-lib topic?14:44
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jlibosvalet's move on then14:45
jlibosva#topic OSC14:45
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jlibosvaamotoki: hi, are you around?14:46
mlavalleamotoki is on vacation in Italy this week14:46
mlavallehe will be back on Monday14:46
mlavalleI bet he is thinking about us :-)14:46
jlibosvaaha, good choice for vacation :)14:47
jlibosvajust one note from the PTG - python-neutronclient will stay with us until the parity is reached14:47
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bodenand I have an item on my plate to help reach that parity, but I don’t have any new details yet… I’ll follow up next week after my vaca14:48
mlavallegood thing you remembered that, jlibosva :-)14:48
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* jlibosva is looking at mlavalle's PTG summary email14:48
jlibosvaif nobody has anything to add for OSC, we can go to open discussion14:49
jlibosva#topic Open discussion14:49
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jlibosvadoes anybody have a topic he'd like to discuss?14:49
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mlavalleNot from me14:50
jlibosvathen we can end earlier14:50
ihrachys10 minutes of free time, exciting14:50
mlavallejlibosva: is the CI meeting in this channel?14:50
jlibosvaone more thing - kevinbenton shared with us a team photo from the PTG - https://photos.app.goo.gl/Aqa51E2aVkv5b4ah1 - so you can print it out and put it on your nightstand or dashboard at your working place or wherever you want ;)14:50
jlibosvamlavalle: yes, it's here in an hour14:51
mlavallesee you then :-)14:51
jlibosvathanks everybody for joining :)14:51
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ihrachyssee you!14:51
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annp_see you14:52
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mlavalleralonsoh: qos meeting here in ~7 minutes?14:53
mlavalleok, see you then14:53
ralonsohI was going to ask you to stay, if you can14:53
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ralonsoh#startmeeting neutron_qos15:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Sep 26 15:00:18 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ralonsoh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
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ralonsohreedip and slaweq will be here soon15:01
ralonsohok, let's start15:01
ralonsoh#topic RFEs15:01
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ralonsoh#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/150562715:01
openstackLaunchpad bug 1505627 in neutron "[RFE] QoS Explicit Congestion Notification (ECN) Support" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee)15:01
ralonsohThe spec review is going well15:02
ralonsoh#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445762/15:02
patchbotpatch 445762 - neutron-specs - Spec for Explicit Congestion Notification15:02
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ralonsohBut I think reedip needs to address those late comments15:02
ralonsohLet's take this one out if reedip is not here now15:03
ralonsohnext one15:03
ralonsoh#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/169295115:03
openstackLaunchpad bug 1692951 in neutron "[RFE] DSCP mark on the outer header" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to Ali Sanhaji (ali-sanhaji)15:03
ralonsohThe RFE is not approved yet15:03
ralonsohbut there are two patches15:03
ralonsoh#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/501267/15:03
patchbotpatch 501267 - neutron - Adding TOS mark in OVS tunnels outer headers15:03
ralonsoh#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/501271/15:03
patchbotpatch 501271 - neutron - Make TOS inherit possible in LB15:03
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mlavalleralonsoh: it is approved15:04
ralonsohI think see that15:04
mlavallewe discussed it in the last drivers meeting before the ptg15:04
mlavalleand Ali did a great job presenting it15:04
ralonsohI need to take a look again to both patches, but both are in progress15:04
ralonsohThat's perfect15:04
ralonsohHe ping me the week before15:05
mlavallelet's just keep this in mind: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1692951/comments/315:05
openstackLaunchpad bug 1692951 in neutron "[RFE] DSCP mark on the outer header" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to Ali Sanhaji (ali-sanhaji)15:05
ralonsohI remember reading this part, but not "is approved"15:06
mlavallelol, that was the most important part15:06
ralonsohok, so let's take time to review the patches. I don't see any big data change at all15:06
ralonsohmlavalle: I know....15:07
ralonsohok, next one15:07
ralonsoh#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/164951715:07
openstackLaunchpad bug 1649517 in neutron "qos policy attached to network, qos_policy_id is reflecting on neutron net-show , but not on the port with neutron port-show" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee)15:07
ralonsohThe code is almost ready15:07
ralonsoh#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/419642/15:07
patchbotpatch 419642 - neutron - Add network_qos_policy_id to port info15:07
mlavalleis the failure caused by the change in the patch15:08
ralonsohBut reedip needs to finish and address the latest comments15:08
mlavalleok, so I should expect a follow up patch15:08
ralonsohthe functional test fail is not related, IMO15:09
ralonsohbut there should be another patch15:09
ralonsohnext one15:09
ralonsoh#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/159661115:09
openstackLaunchpad bug 1596611 in neutron "[RFE] Create L3 IPs with qos (rate limit)" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to LIU Yulong (dragon889)15:09
ralonsohThere are two patches in gerrit15:10
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ralonsohone sec15:10
ralonsohWell, one of them was abandoned15:10
slaweq_sorry for late15:10
ralonsoh#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445762/15:10
patchbotpatch 445762 - neutron-specs - Spec for Explicit Congestion Notification15:10
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ralonsohsorry, not this one15:11
mlavalleyeah, I saw that.15:11
mlavallebut is this something we still want to pursue?15:11
ralonsoh#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/453458/15:11
patchbotpatch 453458 - neutron - [L3][QoS] Adding L3 rate limit TC lib15:11
ralonsohThis one15:11
ralonsohIs still under review, but stopped since august15:11
ralonsohmlavalle: It's interesting but, personally, I don't have time for this15:12
mlavallewould a review help to nudge it forward?15:12
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ralonsohmlavalle: I tried to ping the author with no luck15:12
mlavalleok, I'll go through it15:12
ralonsohmlavalle: I don't know if just a review is enough. We should know if the author is going to continue15:13
slaweq_ralonsoh: it's this one with another tc class, right?15:13
ralonsohThe implementation is correct, but I don't agree with splitting the TC library15:13
mlavallewould you leave a comment there?15:13
slaweq_IIRC it was waiting for some core reviewers as me and ralonsoh don't agree with way how author did it15:14
ralonsohSure, several times15:14
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mlavallethen I'll chime in15:14
ralonsohmlavalle: thanks15:14
ralonsohand the last RFE15:14
mlavalleand ask for help if I get myself in trouble, as I frequently do ;-)15:14
ralonsohmlavalle: yes, that's the point15:15
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ralonsohok, next RFE15:15
ralonsoh#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/156096315:15
openstackLaunchpad bug 1560963 in neutron "[RFE] Minimum bandwidth support (egress)" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Rodolfo Alonso (rodolfo-alonso-hernandez)15:15
ralonsohI abandoned this RFE for several months15:15
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ralonsohBut I'm going to retake the work15:15
* mlavalle did the same ;-(15:15
ralonsohmlavalle: I have some questions for you, about placement15:16
ralonsohmlavalle: do you have time for a conversation about this? whenever you want15:16
ralonsohI have some ideas15:16
mlavalledo you want to discuss this outside the meeting?15:16
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ralonsohI think it's going to take a bit of time15:17
ralonsohand I can put the conclusions in a mail15:17
ralonsohand in the RFE15:17
mlavalleI am very interested in this, so yeah, I will make time15:17
ralonsohthere are no more topics in the etherpad15:17
mlavallewe are targeting this for Queens, right?15:17
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ralonsohmlavalle: yes... if the placement API is ready and Nova side15:18
ralonsohmlavalle: I'm currently working in the Nova side too15:18
mlavallejaypipes said he was hoping to get it ready in Q-115:18
mlavalleduring the PTG15:18
ralonsohI know, sean-k-mooney told me that15:18
mlavalleI even included the comment in the Neutron PTG summary that sent a couple of days ago to the ML15:19
ralonsohmlavalle: I saw that15:19
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mlavalleso I guess it is a matter of tracking it down15:19
mlavallebut we should start working now15:19
mlavallein parallel15:19
mlavallein my opinion15:19
ralonsohmlavalle: perfect! so we can talk later today15:19
mlavalleit won't be the first time I write code against an unfinished placement API :-)15:20
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ralonsohmlavalle: hehehe. BTW, I have plans to move your client to a common place15:20
mlavallewhat time is it now for you?15:20
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mlavallewould 1800 be too late for you?15:21
ralonsohnot at all15:21
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mlavalleok, I'll ping you then15:21
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ralonsohI don't have any other RFE in etherpad15:21
ralonsohAm I missing something?15:21
mlavalleralonsoh: and yes, I was fully expecting that client to be moved and changed a lot ;-)15:22
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ralonsohsure hehehe15:22
Fouad_BenamraneHi all,15:22
Fouad_BenamraneI want to discuss my RFE with you guys.15:23
Fouad_Benamrane#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/170846015:23
openstackLaunchpad bug 1708460 in neutron " [RFE] Reaction to network congestion for qos" [Undecided,Invalid]15:23
ralonsohFouad_Benamrane: please, go on15:23
ralonsohit's an invalid one, there is another similar15:23
Fouad_BenamraneWhy it's marked as invalid by reedip15:23
ralonsohECN, by reedup15:23
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ralonsohone sec15:23
Fouad_BenamraneIt's not the same.15:23
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Fouad_BenamraneHere we try to add ECN capability to neutron through ovs rules.15:24
Fouad_BenamraneAnd also we react dynamically to it.15:24
Fouad_BenamraneBy policing hosts that generate congestion.15:25
Fouad_BenamraneOur solution does not depend on host at all15:25
ralonsohFouad_Benamrane: I don't see where are you talking about OVS15:25
ralonsohin the RFE15:25
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ralonsohanyway, the RFE is very similar15:26
Fouad_BenamraneReedip RFE propose to use L3 router instead15:27
ralonsohIMO, this "extra" you are adding (creating a QOS limit rule), could be added to reedip's RFE15:27
Fouad_BenamraneOk, we can combine our REF,15:27
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Fouad_BenamraneWhy not.15:27
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davidshaIt could involve integrating the bandwidth limit rule with CCF as well for the policing rather than including it all in the ecn rule.15:28
ralonsohFouad_Benamrane: let me take a look at both RFE and reedip SPEC15:28
ralonsohdavidsha: could you explain it again?15:29
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ralonsohdavidsha: ?15:29
davidsharalonsoh: Rather than having a specific policing inside the new ecn rule a general one could be made by extending the bandwidth limit rule to work with the Common Classification framework15:30
ralonsohok, but is the CCF ready to be used?15:30
Fouad_BenamraneBut the bandwidth limit rule is static15:30
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Fouad_BenamraneWe need to keep track of congestion source and react to it.15:30
davidsharalonsoh: at the moment, no, not yet.15:31
ralonsohFouad_Benamrane: can you explain your proposal in a SPEC?15:31
ralonsohFouad_Benamrane: perfect!15:31
davidshaFouad_Benamrane: If I'm not mistaken, if there is congestion the ecn value is changed to "11" isn't it?15:32
ralonsohFouad_Benamrane: BTW, you are planning to support only OVS15:32
Fouad_BenamraneYes, this done by ECN switch in the middle of the network.15:32
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ralonsohFouad_Benamrane: ok, I'll mark your RFE as new again. This should not be invalid for now15:34
Fouad_BenamraneOk, so after that I have to propose a new spec, is it right ?15:34
ralonsohFouad_Benamrane: please, take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445762/15:35
patchbotpatch 445762 - neutron-specs - Spec for Explicit Congestion Notification15:35
davidshaFouad_Benamrane: I'd say sync with reedip first.15:35
ralonsohDo you think your proposal could be integrated here?15:35
Fouad_Benamraneok, I will.15:35
mlavalleralonsoh, Fouad_Benamrane: I'll mark the RFE as triaged and indicate that we are waitring for a spec15:36
mlavallemakes sense?15:36
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ralonsohmlavalle: as davidsha said, reedip and Fouad_Benamrane should talk first to merge both15:36
ralonsohif possible15:36
mlavalleah, ok15:36
mlavalleI missed that15:36
* mlavalle being tormented by a rain of messages from somewhere else :-(15:37
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ralonsohok, any other topic??15:37
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davidshaI'm good.15:37
ralonsohlet's move to next one15:38
ralonsoh#topic Bugs15:38
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ralonsohthere are no bugs in the list15:38
ralonsohslaweq_: yes?15:38
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slaweq_I'm just happy that there are no bugs :)15:38
ralonsohahhh hehhehehe15:38
mlavalleme too15:38
ralonsohperfect, next topic15:39
ralonsoh#topic Other Changes15:39
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ralonsohand general discussion15:39
ralonsohDo you have somthing in your agenda?15:39
ralonsohok, thank you very much guys!15:40
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davidshaThanks, cya!15:40
ralonsohmlavalle: I'll wait for your call15:40
mlavalleyeap, ral15:40
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ihrachys#startmeeting neutron_ci16:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Sep 26 16:01:09 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ci'16:01
ihrachysjlibosva, mlavalle, haleyb o/16:01
ihrachysand to whoever else joined16:01
ihrachys#topic Actions from prev week16:01
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ihrachyshi slaweq_ !16:01
ihrachystraditionally, we walk through action items from the previous week16:02
ihrachysfirst item was "jlibosva to talk to armax about enabling test_convert_default_subnetpool_to_non_default in gate"16:02
jlibosvaI did!16:02
ihrachysfill us in!16:02
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jlibosvatldr; it's not possible because default subnetpool is also used for nova tests16:02
ihrachysok then how is it supposed to be executed by a tempest consumer?16:03
jlibosvaand it would be very hacky to have both auto-allocated-topology tests + nova tests and other relying on default subnet pool and defautl subnetpool16:03
ihrachysdo users choose one or another?16:03
jlibosvaas per armax it was a mistake to merge the default subnetpool API tests16:03
jlibosvaso I made this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507487/16:04
patchbotpatch 507487 - neutron - Replace default subnetpool API tests with UT16:04
jlibosvait moves the tests from API to unittests using the extension tests16:04
jlibosvaas the current default subnetpool API tests touch only API and DB layer, the coverage is kept16:04
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ihrachysgreat, adding to my review queue16:05
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ihrachysnext action item was also on jlibosva16:05
slaweq_jlibosva: I'm not expert but can't it be moved to fullstack?16:05
ihrachys"jlibosva to prepare a list of scenario related fixes"16:05
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ihrachyslet's address slaweq_ question first16:05
jlibosvaslaweq_: yes, that was also one of the options but given the current state of fullstack I thought UT should be sufficient16:06
ihrachysit's not that bad ;)16:06
ihrachysI mean, we are getting closer16:06
slaweq_ok, UT are voting at least :)16:06
slaweq_but I just wanted to ask16:06
jlibosvaslaweq_: it's a good point :)16:06
ihrachysI think it's fine to move with what you have. fullstack could be a nice follow up16:07
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ihrachysaka never happen16:07
ihrachysok, let's look at the next item. "jlibosva to prepare a list of scenario related fixes"16:07
ihrachysI was hoping to have the list for the team meeting today but seems like we did not have one.16:08
ihrachyshaleyb was going to help jlibosva with the task16:08
haleybi have two16:08
ihrachystwo lists?16:08
jlibosvaI was looking at the fixes related to the dvr stuff, I somehow mixed the things ...16:08
haleybtwo reviews that help with scenarios jobs16:08
haleybhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/500384/ - check router interface before ssh16:09
patchbotpatch 500384 - neutron - tempest: check router interface exists before ssh16:09
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patchbotpatch 505324 - neutron - DVR: Fix unbound fip port migration to bound port16:09
ihrachysanilvenkata, do you plan to respin https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500384/ this week?16:09
patchbotpatch 500384 - neutron - tempest: check router interface exists before ssh16:09
anilvenkataihrachys, yes, doing it now16:10
haleybihrachys: i am reviewing swami's patch again now, but with it there are very few scenario failures, think 3 now16:10
ihrachyshaleyb, looking at the second patch. why is it every time we need to fix a bug in dvr, it ends up like a 200+ line patch? :)16:11
ihrachysI am scared each time16:11
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haleybit's not all butterflies and rainbows16:11
ihrachyslinuxbridge job seems to show more failures than ovs16:12
haleybif we didn't do migration it would be real simple :)16:12
ihrachysvs. http://logs.openstack.org/24/505324/10/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-scenario-linuxbridge-ubuntu-xenial-nv/c2e8825/testr_results.html.gz16:12
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ihrachysso we also have trunks and qos16:12
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ihrachysbut some of those could be the iptables issue that I spotted today16:13
ihrachys(I will update later in the meeting)16:13
ihrachyshaleyb, thanks for the update on the patches. would be nice if we land them this week.16:13
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haleybihrachys: oh, and there is one more16:13
patchbotpatch 500143 - neutron - DVR: Always initialize floating IP host16:14
haleybfinal fix for agent, but maybe that's more dvr-multinode related, getting ahead of myself16:14
mlavalleihrachys: land the 3 of them?16:14
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ihrachysmlavalle, yeah. 2 of them will require l3 experts to chime in. too complex for my 1oz brain16:15
mlavallelol, I'll keep an eye on them16:16
ihrachyshaleyb, the scenario job is dvr-multinode so it would affect it16:16
ihrachysthe patch from anilvenkata - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500384/ - reveals some weirdness (to my taste) in api behavior. the change seems fine, but the number of things that api user is supposed to check to make sure data plane is healthy after an update is enormous. is it really the best we can do? see: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500384/7/neutron/tests/tempest/scenario/test_migration.py16:16
patchbotpatch 500384 - neutron - tempest: check router interface exists before ssh16:16
patchbotpatch 500384 - neutron - tempest: check router interface exists before ssh16:16
ihrachyswe check ports, fips, ports deleted...16:17
ihrachysI started to think that we need some attribute to expose whether router is ready16:17
ihrachysmaybe reuse status16:17
haleybihrachys: i saw your comment regarding PENDING_UPDATE, just don't know how invasive that would be16:17
haleybi'm just thinking of a case where the server changes the state, informs agent, but reply lost.  server would need to re-send16:19
ihrachysit would stay pending until they recover somehow. data plane would still be functional (to the point it can be functional with the update not applied)16:19
haleybbut i'm willing to try and make it better16:20
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ihrachysgreat, thanks a lot16:20
mlavalleyeah, thanks16:20
anilvenkatahaleyb, we have similar thing for router state change16:21
anilvenkatahaleyb, if agent's reply is lost, it will periodically retry16:21
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anilvenkatahaleyb, Ann has implemented it16:21
ihrachysanilvenkata, is it merged or up for review?16:21
anilvenkataihrachys, that is only regarding HA router active/backup state change16:22
anilvenkataihrachys, not related to data plane status change16:23
ihrachysok. we didn't have any more items16:23
ihrachyslet's move on16:23
ihrachys#topic Grafana16:23
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ihrachys(boy it takes a while to load it)16:25
ihrachysso first, our all time friends - scenario and fullstack - are still close to 100%16:25
ihrachysthe good news is that fullstack is now not 100% all the time16:25
ihrachysmore like 80%16:25
ihrachysso the latest fixes helped a bit16:26
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ihrachysscenarios are not that lucky16:26
ihrachyswe had a blip with rally breakages earlier in the week but it's back to normal now16:26
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ihrachysthose guys apparently don't have enough test coverage for the code so regressions happen, and since we feed from their master, it breaks us once in a while16:27
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ihrachystl;dr nothing new, we can move to discuss specific day-to-day offenders16:28
ihrachys#topic Scenarios16:28
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ihrachyswe already discussed a bit the dvr/migration fixes16:28
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ihrachysone thing that I noticed today while looking at results for the new sec group scenario is that linuxbridge job seems to be busted because of a iptables issue16:29
ihrachysexample: http://logs.openstack.org/21/504021/2/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-scenario-linuxbridge-ubuntu-xenial-nv/e47a3f3/logs/screen-q-agt.txt.gz#_Sep_26_09_17_36_51238916:29
ihrachyswe have code in iptables managers that applies rules twice and checks that result is same16:29
ihrachysthat is activated by debug_iptables_rules = True16:29
ihrachyswhich is on in gate16:30
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ihrachysdoesn't happen in ovs16:31
ihrachysbut that's probably because there we use the 'openvswitch' flow firewall driver16:31
ihrachysso maybe the issue still affects ovs/iptables setups16:31
ihrachysof course we could disable debug_iptables_rules to avoid the errors but that would be a silly thing to do16:32
ihrachysI hear that haleyb and jlibosva would love to take it from here ;)16:33
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jlibosvaI can take a look tomorrow :)16:33
ihrachysok good. I will prepare a bug report after the meeting16:33
ihrachys#action jlibosva to triage iptables apply failure in linuxbridge scenarios job16:33
haleybi will help as well of course16:33
ihrachys#action ihrachys to report bug for iptables apply failure16:34
ihrachysalso while we are at it, worth reviewing the test scenario itself that triggers the failure: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/50402116:34
patchbotpatch 504021 - neutron - [Tempest] Scenarios for several sec groups on VM16:34
mlavalleThanks jlibosva, haleyb16:34
ihrachysfinal thing to discuss here is that tempest plugin with all tests, api and scenarios, is moving to a separate repo16:35
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ihrachyschandankumar is spearheading the initiative16:35
* mlavalle will review it16:35
haleybihrachys: oh, so it only happens with that patch?16:35
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ihrachyshaleyb, well I am not sure. could be. that's where I spotted it.16:35
ihrachysfor the split tempest, we already have https://github.com/openstack/neutron-tempest-plugin16:36
ihrachysthat carries copy of tests16:36
ihrachyschandankumar is currently working on preparing jobs that would run tests from the plugin: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507038/16:37
patchbotpatch 507038 - openstack-infra/project-config - Added tempest dsvm job for neutron-tempest-plugin16:37
ihrachysonce they are in the separate repo gate, and we prove they work, we will switch neutron repo to new jobs that use the plugin repo16:37
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ihrachysand then clean up the neutron tree: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507038/16:37
patchbotpatch 507038 - openstack-infra/project-config - Added tempest dsvm job for neutron-tempest-plugin16:37
ihrachysoops wrong link16:37
mlavalleihrachys: one question, what happens to code we are changing now in the Neutron repo?16:38
ihrachysthis is the patch that removes the in-tree tests: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/506672/16:38
patchbotpatch 506672 - neutron - Remove the bundled intree neutron tempest plugin16:38
ihrachysmlavalle, that's a good question, and the answer is, we will need to first sync everything before pulling the trigger16:38
mlavalleyeah, I saw it over the weekend and was wondering16:38
mlavallegood to know16:38
ihrachysonce we are closer to that, we should probably freeze all new patches, work through sync process, pull the trigger, cleanup; then ask everyone to move patches to the new repo16:39
mlavallesounds good16:39
ihrachysthere is a bit of legwork there16:39
ihrachysactually I now realized that project-config change is incomplete16:40
ihrachysbecause since the new repo is branchless, we need to target all neutron stable branches there16:40
ihrachyslike tempest does16:40
ihrachysI commented in the patch16:41
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ihrachysthe new setup will also temporarily complicate backports of test fixes into stable branches16:41
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ihrachysthat's all I have for scenarios. there may be more issues with it, but I prefer we get back to them once migration/dvr/iptables stuff is fixed and we see new results16:42
ihrachys#topic Fullstack16:42
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ihrachysthere was a PTG discussion on things we should take care to make fullstack pass16:43
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ihrachysfirst issue was about trunk test case failing because ovs agents remove ports of each other because ovsdb is not sandboxed16:43
ihrachysI believe the long term vision is we actually have it sandboxed16:43
ihrachysbut for the time being, armax sent this fix: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/504186/16:44
patchbotpatch 504186 - neutron - Isolate trunk bridges on fullstack runs16:44
ihrachysit needs some more work, but if you folks could assess the general approach that would be great.16:44
mlavallewill do16:45
ihrachysanother issue we have with fullstack is that sometimes it seems like netlink socket operations don't immediately translate into kernel state changes16:45
openstackLaunchpad bug 1717582 in neutron "fullstack job failing to create namespace because it's already exists" [Undecided,Fix released] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq)16:45
ihrachyswhich then makes ensure_namespace fail16:46
ihrachysslaweq_ had a fix for that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/503890/ but seems like it didn't help16:46
patchbotpatch 503890 - neutron - Fix for race condition during netns creation (MERGED)16:46
slaweq_and my patch didn't solve it16:46
ihrachysso now we probably revert: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507382/16:46
patchbotpatch 507382 - neutron - Revert "Fix for race condition during netns creation"16:46
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slaweq_I think that there is less such kind of errors now but it's only my "feeling"16:46
ihrachysand look at alternative implementation of netns add using pyroute2: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/505701/16:46
patchbotpatch 505701 - neutron - Change ip_lib network namespace code to use pyroute216:46
mlavallehave we taken the decision to revert yet?16:46
ihrachyshaleyb, remind everyone why we think it helps?16:47
ihrachyshaleyb, should probably be part of the commit message (also a link to the bug)16:47
ihrachysmlavalle, afaiu slaweq_ explained: "My patch changed ensure_namespace() method to catch ProcessExecutionError exception. If Brian's patch will be merged it will never happen here that such exception will be raised."16:48
ihrachyssounds like useless code if we go the pyroute2 path16:48
haleybihrachys: i more started the pyroute2 change as a performance improvement, but it should catch the namespace exists issue better16:48
slaweq_because pyroute2 will raise exception with EEXIST error code16:48
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ihrachysslaweq_, but we will still need to catch it?16:48
ihrachysok so the haleyb's patch doesn't fix the bug16:49
slaweq_but we can check if it's this error or other one16:49
mlavalleahhh, I glimpsed pieces of the EEXIST conversation yesterday16:49
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ihrachyshaleyb, then maybe related-bug16:49
haleybihrachys: it does because it catches the pyroute EEXIST exception and ignores it16:49
ihrachysoh ok16:49
slaweq_also, I don't know exactly how privsep works16:49
haleybi'll add related-bug16:49
slaweq_and if it uses rootwrap daemon16:49
ihrachyshaleyb, is it in neutron that you catch, or it's library?16:50
slaweq_but I think that current issue might be related to some kind of race condition between two rootwrap daemons which executes commands16:50
haleybihrachys: in neutron, the pyroute2 code doesn't seem to catch it properly16:50
ihrachysslaweq_, could well be, meaning this wouldn't solve the underlying issue16:51
jlibosvahaleyb: even with the flag passed we saw at pyroute2 docs?16:51
ihrachysoh I see the catch in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/505701/4/neutron/privileged/agent/linux/ip_lib.py16:51
patchbotpatch 505701 - neutron - Change ip_lib network namespace code to use pyroute216:51
haleybihrachys: i'd have to do it differently to use any flags16:52
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ihrachysslaweq_, so it seems like the lib handles the error itself?16:53
ihrachyswe don't need to handle it in neutron then?16:53
slaweq_not exactly16:53
slaweq_there is try except which should catch it16:53
slaweq_but as we checked yesterday with haleyb it raises exception in other place16:54
ihrachysoh ok, I see16:54
ihrachysmaybe a good idea to patch pyroute2 (in addition to neutron)16:54
haleybit might be a bug in the pyroute2 code, i need to file a bug and get maintainer response16:54
jlibosvaI haven't played with it but I looked at the docs of pyroute2 and there was an option to ignore namespace creation in case it already existed16:54
slaweq_I was thinking that in https://github.com/svinota/pyroute2/blob/master/pyroute2/netns/__init__.py#L149 it will be catched16:54
slaweq_but it looks that exception is raised in https://github.com/svinota/pyroute2/blob/master/pyroute2/netns/__init__.py#L16216:55
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ihrachysslaweq_, right. because netnsdir is /var/run/netns/16:55
ihrachysand netnspath is /var/run/netns/xxx16:55
ihrachysso it handles exists for first only16:55
jlibosva# create a new netns or use existing one16:56
jlibosvanetns = NetNS('test', flags=os.O_CREAT)16:56
jlibosvafrom http://pyroute2.org/pyroute2-0.3.4/netns.html16:56
haleybi use the lazy pyroute2.netns.create("test") method instead of instantiating a class16:56
ihrachysok we have little time, let's move on with the issue. everyone make sure we review those patches quick.16:57
ihrachys#topic Open discussion16:57
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ihrachysI would like to note one thing before we wrap up16:57
ihrachysinfra is switching gates to zuulv316:58
ihrachysthere are significant changes in the future in how we define our jobs16:58
ihrachysthe gist of the changes can be found in https://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/zuulv3.html16:58
ihrachysmake yourself comfortable16:58
jlibosvaI also wanted to note I'm working on some fullstack work: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/506722/ - it's very invasive :) but I hope it'll bring a lot of fruits16:58
patchbotpatch 506722 - neutron - WIP: fullstack: Put all services into namespaces16:58
ihrachysthe switch is currently ongoing, so project-config changes are frozen for now16:58
jlibosvaI'll probably split it into smaller pieces once it's done16:59
ihrachysjlibosva, nice!16:59
mlavallethanks for pointing it out16:59
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ihrachyshaleyb, btw you may want to push again on getting multinode-dvr the default once infra is done with zuulv316:59
haleybi also plan on re-basing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/483600/ today16:59
patchbotpatch 483600 - openstack-infra/project-config - Make neutron-multinode job the default16:59
ihrachysok folks we are at the top of the hour16:59
ihrachyshaleyb, huh, great minds...17:00
ihrachysthanks everyone for joining17:00
jlibosvathanks all, cya :)17:00
slaweq_thanks, bye17:00
ihrachysmlavalle, slaweq_ thanks for joining and all the help, I appreciate17:00
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lbragstad#startmeeting keystone18:00
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lbragstad#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting18:00
lbragstadping ayoung, breton, cmurphy, dstanek, edmondsw, gagehugo, henrynash, hrybacki, knikolla, lamt, lbragstad, lwanderley, notmorgan, rderose, rodrigods, samueldmq, spilla, aselius, dpar18:00
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lbragstadwe'll give it a minute for folks to join18:01
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lbragstad#topic announcements: trello18:02
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lbragstad#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-September/122627.html]18:03
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lbragstad#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-September/122627.html18:03
lbragstad#link https://trello.com/b/5F0h9Hoe/keystone18:03
lbragstadi made a bunch of updates to the trello board and attempted to fill in details18:03
lbragstadif something isn't clear, please let me know18:03
hrybackithanks lbragstad18:03
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lbragstadalso - i'm open to suggestions18:04
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hrybackiI'm curious if folks have been using it?18:04
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lbragstadi have, but that's probably obvious with the updates i've been making18:04
lbragstadit feels really nice to actually have things documented somewhere - i'll say that for sure18:05
knikollabeats a spreadsheet18:05
hrybackiand I will say that Trello excels at asynch communication that is easy to digest after the fact18:05
hrybackiI'm happy to give a 'Trello Training' session for anyone that hasn't used it before and would like one18:06
lbragstadi'm hoping it works out for us this release18:06
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lbragstadhrybacki: i'm up to learn some new tricks18:06
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lbragstadi used it a bunch last year - but i'd consider my usage to be fairly primitive18:06
hrybackiCool -- hand me an action to prep a quick session18:06
lbragstad#action hrybacki to plan a "Trello Training" session18:07
hrybackimaybe tie that into office hours in a week or two?18:07
lbragstadyeah - that's a good idea18:07
lbragstada post to the mailing list would be good18:07
* hrybacki nods18:07
lbragstadwe could do it right after the meeting18:07
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lbragstadcool - that's all i have there, anyone else have things related to trello?18:08
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lbragstad#topic announcements: sydney forum sessions18:08
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lbragstadthe deadline for topic submissions is in a few days18:09
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lbragstadi've started an etherpad to start brainstorming sessions18:09
lbragstad#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SYD-keystone-forum-sessions18:09
lbragstadIf folks want to give that a once over and post anything there I can submit formal proposals for it before the 29th18:09
lbragstadanyone have thoughts?18:10
lbragstadfor reference - this was the etherpad we used for Boston https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-Keystone-brainstorming18:10
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gagehugodo we want another consumable keystone forum session?18:10
lbragstadwe could - that makes a bit more sense with JWT18:11
hrybackiftr I will not be funded to attend Sydney. But I'm saving for the next PTG in case I lack company funding for that as well18:11
lbragstadhrybacki: ack - you can also apply for travel support, the foundation is good about that18:11
lbragstadi used the program for Boston18:11
hrybackilbragstad: I'll ping you about that after meeting18:12
kmallocI will also not be in SYD.18:12
edmondswlbragstad I just got travel approval18:12
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rodrigodsi will be there! :)18:14
lbragstadregardless of being able to go - if you want things represented or done in Sydney, let me know and i'll make a point to represent it when i'm there18:15
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lbragstadI'll leave the etherpad open for a day and start submitting topics tomorrow18:15
lbragstadsorry about not getting this out soon - it kinda crept up on me18:16
lbragstadI'll followup with an email after the meeting, too18:17
lbragstad#topic open discussion18:18
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lbragstadfloor is open18:18
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lbragstadreminder that we do have office hours today18:19
lbragstadstarting in about 40 minutes18:19
ayounglbragstad, we in the open discussion part of the  meting?18:19
lbragstadayoung: yes we are18:19
ayoungSo,  question on the decision to pull support for RBAC in middleware18:20
ayoungI only caught it in cmurphy 's blog update.  THanks cmurphy!18:20
ayoungI'd argue that  before you pull it, you need to specify how you are going to replace it, and solve the problems that it addresses18:20
ayoungI'm willing to support any plan that active works toward solving the problem of discoverability, but I have yet to hear anyone else propose one.  Was there any such discussion?18:21
lbragstadyou want an answer to "what can I do with this token" right?18:21
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ayounglbragstad, so,  I would not quite phrase it that way18:22
ayounglbragstad, I would more phrase it as "I need to set up a service to do X, what roles do I need to grant to them in order to do it"18:22
lbragstadi think both of those can be addressed using a capabilities API18:23
ayoungso, while that would also cover what you say, It is only a subset of the use cases.  But, yes, that is one of them18:23
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edmondswayoung I think there are different answers for different use cases that you care about18:23
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lbragstadi remember someone in the room bringing up a security concern somewhere in that discussion, too18:24
lbragstadi can't remember if that was kmalloc? jamielennox?18:24
edmondswone answer is pluggable oslo.policy, e.g. for Apache fortress18:24
ayounglbragstad, so capabilities I've heard as supporting "what resources  does this service provide"  like different hypervisors etc.  How would the capabilities API work for this?18:24
edmondswlbragstad I think it was both of them18:24
kmallocayoung: i'd bake the representation into the service via oslo.policy's code18:25
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ayoungedmondsw, policy does not provide a way to map them from URL to policy.  My guess is capabilites is also going to have this problem?18:25
kmallocmiddleware is the wrong place to put it18:25
kmallocmiddleware is already doing too much18:25
ayoungkmalloc, oslo.policy does not know about the URL, though.18:25
lbragstadayoung: let me find a spec - it framed the purpose and direction of capability apis18:25
kmallocor middleware can expose oslo.policy directly18:25
kmallocmiddleware DOESNT either really.18:25
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edmondswayoung we are documenting URLs tied to policy rules... community-wide goal for queens18:25
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ayoungOK...so the answer is "we will have a static mapping of URLS to Policy rules, an then a way to query the policy rules (and more) via the capabilites API"18:26
edmondswbut maybe I don't understand what you're after there18:26
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kmallocayoung: that would be the way i'd push18:26
ayoungAre we going to query each service for the capabilites?18:27
kmallockeystone cannot be the centralized source for it18:27
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kmallocit runs into all the headaches we ran into trying to move policyt int our api18:27
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lbragstadkmalloc: did you have the concern about exposing roles for APIs?18:27
kmalloci'm throwing in the towel on centralizing that, it is a ton of headaches and with many issues on updates, signaling, services being aware, etc18:28
ayoungso the one problem I see with this is that the definition of roles is managed in the keystone server.  Are we just going to make the set of roles static?18:28
kmallocayoung: we are moving towards guaranteed roles18:28
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lbragstadno - not necessarily18:28
kmallocnot all static, but some roles will be guaranteed, otherwise ask the services.18:28
lbragstadi have an idea there - but i haven't had the opportunity to write it down yet18:28
ayoungone goal in my design was to be able to split a big role into smaller roles, and allow delegation of the smaller role only.  Will this information make its way out to the remote services?18:29
kmalloccapabilities should be unprotected, and we can report what role(s) are needed for capability x18:29
kmallocdepends on the expansion18:29
kmallocif the expansion is done on the remote end, sure18:29
lbragstadbut we should also be able to ask a service "what can I do with this token?"18:29
kmallocif not, no. not for the moment18:30
kmalloclbragstad: sure. that is fine.18:30
ayoung"What can I do with this token" is pretty easy if the capabilities are statically published18:31
kmallocayoung: that is the idea18:31
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ayoungHorizon (the primary consumer of that feature) can deduce it from the data provided18:31
kmallocwe could do the calculation for you as well on that page18:31
lbragstadpart of that depends on how the service is configured18:31
lbragstadso you could consider the role -> permission policies as a super set that can be pruned down to a more specific answer based on the configuration of the service18:32
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ayoungOK...so walk me through how I would tell an operator to do the following.  Lets say compute:reboot_server is a policy that falls behind the actions API, and we have it set to use the "expecte" role of "Member"18:33
lbragstad(e.g. i might have the role that allows me to live migrate instance but i can't actually live migrate instances because nova isn't configured to use a virt driver that supports it)18:33
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ayoungand we want to make a new role or permission or whatever you call it, that can only pass that one policy check18:33
ayoungassuming we've created the role in keystone and set up an inference rule that lets Member imply rebooter, we would then have to update the policy on the compute nodes that enforce that, right?18:34
kmallocayoung: correct18:34
kmallocif only "Rebooter" can do that18:34
ayoungkmalloc, not Only18:35
ayoungkmalloc, rebooter can ONLY dothat, but so can Member and Admin18:35
ayoungMember and Admin can do that plus more18:35
edmondswayoung you would either a) customize policy for that one rule to make it "role:Member or role:mynewthang" instead of just "role:Member" or b) make it "role:mynewthang" and setup the roles in keystone such that Member implies mynewthang18:35
kmallocedmondsw: thanks that was what i was going for18:35
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ayoungOK, so that still leaves the problem that people need to be able to safely customize rules like that, but should not touch the scope check18:36
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ayoungare we counting on the multiple-layers of policy files to help split those two things apart?18:36
kmallocscope check is def. on the list to push down into the services in a better way.18:36
edmondswscope checks need to move into code, so they won't be *able* to touch them18:36
lbragstadright - i'm working on that this release18:37
kmallocbasically, we're baking the scope check into code and representing that better in the policy-in-code definitions18:37
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kmallocdo policy can'18:37
kmalloct be broken on those lines18:37
lbragstadi plan to draft a community goal for rocky that helps achieve that across openstack18:37
kmallocwe have some changes in osol.policy nbeeded to make it happen18:37
kmallocbut it's a low barrier18:37
lbragstadyeah - i'm going to be getting to those today18:38
ayoungand scope check is going to bake in the rule for is_admin_project or the Global-roles-like-thing that is going to replace it18:38
kmallocand i think we have a good path forward on it based upon the PTG18:38
kmallocayoung: in the definition within nova18:38
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kmallocsaying "X action is scope-required to project and then nova will be able to say object.owner==scope18:38
kmallocit's a different policy-enforcement point18:38
kmallocwe have 3 levels of checking (in 2 checks) now18:38
lbragstadproject, system, and?18:39
kmalloc1) role check, 2) scope-type check (project)18:39
kmallocand the last is the ownership check18:39
lbragstadoh - nevermind18:39
kmalloc1 and 2 are enforcement point 118:39
lbragstaddifferent page18:39
kmallocand the ownership check is done once the data is loaded from the db.18:39
ayoungscope-type can be done prior, but the actual scope check is part of the ownership check?18:40
kmallocscope-type is done with role18:40
kmallocand ownership is "token.scope == resource.owner"18:40
kmallocsorry token.scope.id18:40
kmallocnova has to do the scope check itself18:41
ayoungI'm not clear on what you mean by scope-type done with a role18:41
kmallocscope-type: project, domain, system18:41
lbragstadso - think of role check as two smaller checks18:41
lbragstaddoes the role match the operation18:41
ayoungso scope type is role irrelevant.  It is done based on resource, right?18:41
lbragstadand does the token being used have a construct that represents elevated scope18:41
lbragstadif needed18:41
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kmallocit is role-irrelevant18:42
lbragstadif token.scope == 'system' and policy.scope == 'system'18:42
lbragstadfor example18:42
kmalloclbragstad: token.scope_type*18:42
lbragstadwe have to make sure each project enforces that consistently18:42
lbragstadkmalloc: yes - thanks18:42
ayoungDo we have cases (out side of keystone and domains) where the scope is not going to be on target.project_id?18:43
lbragstadyou mean 'system'?18:43
edmondswso oslo.policy will bark if token.scope is not in policy.scope, else it will return back nicely and the service needs to limit what the user can do to their token.scope18:43
kmallocnova and/or neutron port mucking might not be the target18:44
ayoungI mean, I know Nova used to put that in the URL, but I think that the only scope we have now is project scope.  So, system scope is implicit18:44
edmondswwe also talked about a 'region' scope, but that's probably further down the road18:44
kmallocin the case of global things (or glance in the case of global/public images)18:44
lbragstadlive migration is a good example of system scope18:44
edmondswsystem vs. project will be the primary distinction18:45
lbragstador https://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/compute/#hypervisors-os-hypervisors18:45
kmallocedmondsw: ++18:45
edmondswlbragstad actually, I think we agreed live migration is project scope :)18:45
kmallocedmondsw: it might be both18:45
lbragstaddoing things with hypervisors would be an example of system level operations since hypervisors don't really belong to projects18:45
kmallocit is an example of "both"18:45
lbragstadedmondsw: yeah - it can apply to both18:45
kmalloca lot of nova is both18:46
edmondswnot sure I agree there18:46
kmallocbut glance public images is a case of "defintely system"18:46
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kmalloclike cloud-wide provider supplied images18:46
lbragstador listing the uptime of a hypervision, i can't think of a way where that makes sense in project scope18:46
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kmallocor adjusting hypervisor values.18:46
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ayoungOK,  this is fine.  Can someone be on the hook to write this up?18:47
kmallocayoung: lbragstad has a lot of the info.18:47
lbragstadthat's already on me18:47
lbragstadand i've started that work18:47
kmallocand i think hrybacki has some of the details/pictures18:47
kmallocfrom the PTG18:47
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lbragstadi'll be breaking that into two separate specs for oslo.policy18:47
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hrybacki#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/queens-PTG-keystone-policy-roadmap18:47
hrybackipics are towards the bottom18:47
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ayounglbragstad, sounds good.  I'll keep pushing at it to see if we can find holes, but my biggest concern is that it depends on the projects implementing it.  Are there project reps tagged to do the capabilites work?18:48
kmallocayoung: community goal in rocky18:48
kmallocsame as policy-in-code is for queens18:48
lbragstadwhich i will likely champion unless others want to help out18:48
kmallocthe projects have been good at getting it done once we have a champion and agreement from the TV18:49
lbragstadcurrent progress https://www.lbragstad.com/policy-burndown/18:49
lbragstad#link https://www.lbragstad.com/policy-burndown/18:49
lbragstadten minutes left - anyone else have something they'd like to talk about?18:50
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lbragstadcool - let's get some time back before office hours starts18:51
lbragstadthanks everyone!18:51
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clarkb#startmeeting infra19:00
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clarkbHello everyone. Today's meeting will be short due to the zuulv3 deployment19:01
clarkbrather than a normal structured meeting I'll open it up to open discussion so that you can bring up anything important that might otherwise get missed by the zuulv3 deployment19:01
clarkb#topic open discussion19:01
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clarkbSo if there is anything urgent we shouldn't miss while busy with zuulv3 please bring it up now :)19:02
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fungithere's a request on the -dev ml from the mogan team to force-push (or might just be a fastforward push?) to restore their forked nova file history19:03
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clarkbI believ eit is a force push as they rewrote the nova history back into the git history19:04
clarkbprobably what we need to hvae there is schedule a time for them when they can freeze mogan, update the new repo then we force push it for them19:04
clarkbI will work on responding to that thread today19:04
clarkbAlso re Gerrit upgrade there is one last issue remaining that we have found which is fixing the requirements updates19:05
clarkbI don't think this is super urgent right now though19:05
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mordredclarkb: can you expand on that?19:05
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clarkbmordred: in the past gerrit rejected commits that had no delta19:06
mordredI remember19:06
clarkbbut now it accepts them19:06
clarkbso we need to make our diffing in the requirements updates jobs smarter to not push when in the psat it would've errored19:06
mordredthat'll be easier to fix with v3 live - since we won't have to wait for new images to build19:06
clarkbits low priority because its not completely wrong, more annoying19:06
fungiright, i've sort of been tracking that as a possible to do list item for myself (if nobody else is eager to take it on) but wanted to wait until after zuul v3 cutover dust has settled a bit19:07
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clarkbits looking like the zuul deployment is getting busier, I'll give this another couple minutes for other topics but otherwise will end the meeting so that we can focus on that19:09
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clarkbalright, thanks everyone. Now for zuulv319:11
clarkb#endmeeting infra19:11
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fungithanks clarkb!19:15
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fungireminder: no tc meeting this week20:05
funginext tc office hour at 01:00 utc in #openstack-tc20:05
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