Wednesday, 2017-10-18

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zhiyuan#startmeeting tricircle01:01
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songhello I am song from szzt. last week our team xiaohan zhang have push the qos code. and we plan to01:01
songimprove the tricircle test case. is there some detail doc about this task. so we can know how many work01:01
songto do and from where to start. thank you!01:01
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zhiyuani see the patch. however only zuul pipeline ran and it voted -1. i try to recheck the patch but the pipeline doesn't run again01:03
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zhiyuancould you modify the commit message and submit again?01:03
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songthat is ok.01:04
songwe will do it today.01:04
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zhiyuansimply follow the commit message of the original qos patch01:05
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songoh thank you.we will follow that.01:06
songafter this we want improve the test case for tricricle01:06
songis there some detail doc about this?01:07
songhow many test case we need to add.01:07
zhiyuanfine, for that, you can start from adding add/delete sub-port scenario for the trunk test01:07
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zhiyuancurrently only trunk port creation and using the port to boot a VM are covered01:08
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RongHui11so just add these two case in the trunk smoke test?01:08
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zhiyuanoh, I temporarily disable the trunk test because of a neutron bug. i notice that the bug fix has been merged, so i will re-enable the test today01:09
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zhiyuanto ronghui, yes, since we haven't finish the service chain updating feature01:10
RongHui11so after we finish the qos function, we can quickly start this work01:10
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RongHui11you mean we miss the updating feature in the service chain smoke test?01:12
zhiyuani think i may spend some time reviewing the new patch. it's a huge patch and our previous review history is lost01:12
zxhto zhiyuan,I submitted the tricircle qos patch,in openstack-tox-py27 stage,there are 'module' object has no attribute 'DB_INTEGER_MAX_VALUE' mistakes,but DB_INTEGER_MAX_VALUE constants is included in the neutron/common/,can you help me to look at the environment,thanks.
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zhiyuanyes, this patch which implement the update feature is no longer active:
zhiyuancould you check the latest neutron code? it's possible that the constant has been moved to neutron-lib01:16
RongHui11i will check it01:16
joehuangit's moved to neutron-lib
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zhiyuanthanks, joe01:19
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songthank you!01:19
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zhiyuanok, for our queens-1 tag. the document and script update for nova cellv2 has been merged, and there's still some improvement needed for lb01:21
zhiyuanpatch for default security group udpate has just passed the CI test01:22
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zhiyuanso i think we postpone the lb and default sg update to queens-2 and release queens-1 with nova cellv2 integration01:22
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RongHui11to zhiyuan, for the service chain, you mean we should finish this patch  or we can submit a new one?01:23
Yipeiyes, i will fix the local network case, and improve get_subnets this week. hopefully lb can be delivered in queen-201:23
zhiyuanto joe, do we need to wait for neutron team to tag queens-1 first? since we depend on it01:24
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joehuangwe need to wait for Neutron tagging.01:26
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zhiyuanto ronghui, i think you can ping the author and continue his work if possible01:26
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zhiyuanto joe, ok01:28
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zhiyuanto yipei, hopefully the problem we discussed yesterday can be solved by the "get_subnets" improvement :)01:31
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Yipeito zhiyuan, i hope so. thanks a lot for your help :)01:32
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zhiyuanyou are welcome01:33
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zhiyuanany other topic? if not, we can finish our meeting earlier01:36
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RongHui11i see the trunk smoke test , we have two function add_subports and remove_subports in  so  add/delete sub-port scenario  we haven't finish?01:38
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zhiyuanthese two functions are added in the network_sdk, but not used in the test definition01:41
RongHui11got it01:41
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RongHui11i have no problem :)01:42
zhiyuanother topics?01:45
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zhiyuanok, thanks for attending the meeting01:47
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gongysh#startmeeting tacker04:30
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gongysh#topic roll call04:30
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gongyshhi phuoc_ yamahata04:30
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gongyshhi diga04:31
digagongysh: Hello04:31
phuoc_hi all04:31
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MinWookKim#JOIN tacker04:32
digagongysh: I think most of the india team is on leave because of Diwali festival04:32
digaLets see who is able to join04:32
gongyshtrinath is coming04:32
gongyshMinWookKim, hi04:32
MinWookKimHello :)04:33
digaIn between, I have one announcement to make, can I ?04:33
gongyshdiga, sure, please04:33
gongyshdiga, wedding?04:33
digaHello Everyone04:33
yanxinganMinWookKim, hi04:33
digaNo man04:33
MinWookKimdiga, hi04:33
MinWookKimyanxingan, hi04:34
digaMy company is very much interested in this project04:34
digaand we want to contribute officially to make tacker one of best NFV orchestration in OpenSTack04:34
phuoc_diga, that is a good new :)04:34
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yanxingangood news!04:34
digaWe will dedicate some people along with me and resources for this project04:34
gongyshdiga, yes. fantastic news04:34
digaMy company name is Calsoft inc.04:35
phuoc_join containerized vnf with me :)04:35
digaPune, India based company worked only in Networking, Virtualization, Storage and cloud04:35
gongyshok, look forwards to new colleagues from your company.04:35
gongysh#topic bp04:36
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digaphuoc_: We do have plan to work on containers04:36
digagongysh: Yep04:36
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gongyshsince the review site is down ( infra team is busy with rescue it)04:36
digaWe would like to take some ownership of items in this projects04:37
phuoc_hi janki :)04:37
gongyshwe can have a review our pike-1 milestone.04:37
jankiphuoc_, hey04:37
MinWookKimjanki, hi04:38
gongyshsorry, it should be queens-104:38
jankiMinWookKim, hello04:38
trinathshi all04:38
gongyshtrinaths, welcome04:39
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phuoc_hi trinaths :)04:39
gongyshyanxingan, do you have progress on it?04:39
trinathsphuoc_: i will reply the BP review comments04:39
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gongyshtbh_, hi04:40
yanxinganyes, still coding, but slowly04:40
MinWookKimtrinaths, hello04:40
gongyshqueens-1 is coming to close.04:40
gongyshI have to move it to queens-204:40
tbh_hi gongysh04:40
yanxingangongysh, ok04:41
gongyshanother one queens-1 is
phuoc_yanxingan, I will spend time to review your patch04:41
gongyshthis is one doc patch04:41
trinathsMinWookKim: hello04:42
gongyshif no one is object, I will merge it at the end of queens-104:42
gongyshthe queens-1 is end at oct. 20th.04:42
gongyshif no one -1 to this doc patch04:43
yanxinganas disscussed in last PTG,  specs should be merged together with codes?04:43
gongyshdiga, if you have new comers, you guys can start with doc.04:43
phuoc_gongysh, I commented about that04:43
trinathsreview site is UP04:43
phuoc_I think it is fine for me, but Zun -1 for now04:43
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gongyshphuoc_ is not an issue to it, but I will have a look at it04:44
gongyshphuoc_, zun -1 should not caused by this patch.04:45
digagongysh: yes04:45
digagongysh: we are interested in taking one feature04:45
trinathszun? zuul ?04:45
phuoc_gongysh, I think we should push to queens-204:45
digagongysh: I have some items here, api-framework, will help in contributing to containerized VNf's04:46
phuoc_and too04:46
jankidiga, how will api-framework help with cvnfs?04:47
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gongyshphuoc_, has no bp or bug for it.04:47
gongyshI have commented it.04:47
digajanki: API-framework is different item here04:48
gongyshphuoc_, do you want to take the responsibility to triage the bug?04:48
jankidiga, your previous comment was bit confusing then04:48
trinathsdiga: may be can you give us a outline and also share a document to understand the work04:48
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digatrinaths: which work you mean04:49
gongyshI can put you into driver group then you can arrang bug's milestone.04:49
digagongysh: I am working on indirect VNFM also04:49
digawith Yanxin04:49
trinathsdiga api-framework04:50
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trinathsindirect vnfm ?04:50
phuoc_gongysh, I more focus on containerized vnf bp, but I can be a reviewer for that patch04:50
gongyshphuoc_, about bug triage, what do you think of?04:50
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jankigongysh, what topic are we discussing here? Its bit confusing04:51
trinathsdiga: indirect vnfm ?04:51
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gongyshjanki, we are talking about bp04:51
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jankilooks like 3 topics are being discussed simultaneuosuly04:52
gongyshguys, can we talk one by one?04:52
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gongyshdiga, just wait until your turn.04:52
gongyshmore bps under active developement are k8s vim04:53
gongyshphuoc_, do you want to talk about your work?04:53
phuoc_gongysh, yes04:53
phuoc_the first I want to ask is can we make a new c-VNFM04:54
gongyshphuoc_, I think you can talk from the k8s vim first04:54
trinathsdiga: what is the real use-cases you are seeing with indirectmode-vnfm ?04:54
gongyshtrinaths, hold on.04:54
trinathsgongysh: sorry.04:55
digatrinaths: will discuss in detail after the meeting04:55
trinathsphuoc_: you can make a new vnfm.. but can that inherit from generic vnfm ?04:55
phuoc_K8s as VIM is fine for now, but for storing ssl_ca_cert, I need your comments here04:55
phuoc_because I am confusing in this04:56
gongyshphuoc_,  I want to merge the k8s vim bp and code pathes first04:56
jankiphuoc_, I did comment on the client side patch of k8s vim04:56
phuoc_I am coding for that, some patch is fine04:56
phuoc_janki, I will change and upload new patch04:57
phuoc_other problem is in Tacker horizon04:57
digaphuoc_: are we considering K8s as Vim installation in this patch ?04:57
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gongyshphuoc_, do you have plan for horizon change?04:57
phuoc_diga, yes04:57
digaphuoc_: okay04:58
trinathsphuoc_: what horizon changes do you think are needed ? for k8s as VIM04:58
phuoc_gongysh, I plan add option to support bearer_token04:58
trinathsalso, such a changes where not added to BP at all04:58
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phuoc_trinaths, thats right, at this time I don't usually use horizon04:58
gongyshphuoc_, you can first ignore the horizon.04:59
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trinathsagree phuoc_ but it is essential that we document it so that others can help with improvements.04:59
phuoc_gongysh trinaths, sure I will do that05:00
digaphuoc_: may be you can update the k8s spec and horizon details there05:00
gongysh is for python client05:00
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phuoc_gongysh, I will follow janki way, it don't change the old document too much05:01
gongyshphuoc_, what is janki's way?05:02
jankigongysh, phuoc_ it is about adding an argument to specify which vim we want. how else is tacker going to know which vim it is05:03
phuoc_use --type or --vim-type (the default will be openstack)05:03
janki--type should suffice. its going to be used along with vim-register anyway05:04
phuoc_janki that is right, I forgot it is in vim-register :)05:05
digajanki: phuoc_ : but any way, we define it at the time of creation aren't we ?05:05
phuoc_diga, right :)05:05
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gongyshno --type or --vim-type should be given in vim register.05:06
gongyshall are in vim-config file.05:06
gongyshphuoc_, could we merge this in queens-1?05:06
gongyshoct. 20?05:06
gongyshif that, we can move your k8s vim bp in queens-105:07
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phuoc_gongysh, spec k8s as VIM can merge in queens-105:07
gongyshwho can help to test this feature?05:07
digagongysh: I will help on this but I will work on it on next week as I am on leave for next 3 days05:08
gongyshok, thanks.05:08
digaphuoc_: will connect after this meeting05:09
gongyshto run desvstack which will install k8s cluster, and then register k8s vim.05:09
gongyshphuoc_, diga , thanks05:09
gongyshanother bp from phuoc_  is
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gongyshsince there is no review yet, we can have a talk at next meeting.05:10
phuoc_Mr. Zala suggest that, use Heat translator to translate TOSCA to k8s template05:10
gongyshphuoc_, that is a way.05:11
phuoc_I think it is reasonable, I will figure it out and update that spec05:11
gongysh#topic bugs05:11
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gongyshwe have many new bugs reported05:11
gongyshwhat bug do you guys want to talk here?05:12
gongyshok, if no, we can go to next topic05:12
gongysh#topic open discussion05:13
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gongyshjanki, what do you want to talk?05:13
digagongysh: trinaths : about indirect vnfm, we have one patch -
digaplease you guys take a look at it05:13
jankigongysh, how many sessions are we having at summit?05:14
gongyshdiga, sure, thanks05:14
gongyshjanki, I have one project update05:14
phuoc_see all guys in Sydney :)05:15
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digawho are going to Sydney ?05:15
phuoc_diga, I will look at it :)05:15
MinWookKimPlease take a look my zabbix-plugin blueprint :)05:15
trinathsphuoc_: we have to meet at summit.05:15
MinWookKimYang Xian an, Thanks to your feedback, I've made a lot of changes :)05:15
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gongyshMinWookKim, thanks that05:16
yanxinganMinWookKim, thanks, will review it soon05:16
phuoc_trinaths, hope to meet you :)05:16
gongyshMinWookKim, you have to come up some implementation to show it works05:16
digaphuoc_: thanks05:16
gongyshdo you guys have interests in graphic design TOSCA template?05:17
jankigongysh, cool05:17
digaphuoc_: will ping you separately after this meeting05:17
trinathsdiga: today I will review the bp and post my coments05:17
digatrinaths: sure05:18
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MinWookKimgongysh, I will upload the code soon.05:18
MinWookKimyanxigan, thanks :)05:18
trinathsMinWookKim: Do you have a working poc for the proposed BP ?05:19
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phuoc_gongysh, Is it like AWS, graphic design and then translate to code :)05:20
gongyshphuoc_, yeah05:20
MinWookKimtrinaths, it is using for application monitoring with zabbix05:20
MinWookKimtrinaths, please see
phuoc_gongysh, I will have a look at it :)05:21
MinWookKimtrinaths, thanks05:21
gongyshphuoc_,  nice05:21
gongyshthen we will have a nicer tacker user experience.05:22
gongyshif there is no other topic, we can end meeting and talk at tacker channel05:24
phuoc_many works to do noew :)05:24
gongyshthanks for everyone05:24
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witek#startmeeting monasca14:00
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witekplease feel free to add topics14:01
witek#topic Zuul v3 status14:02
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witekAdrian and kornicameister have finally managed to get legacy gate jobs passing14:02
witekso we can start merging changes which have been blocked last 2 weeks14:03
witekwe're still half the way14:03
witekthe configuration of new jobs have to be created in service repositories14:04
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witeklegacy jobs will be turned off some time14:04
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witekat the moment we have problems getting the configuration right, and the tempest plugins cannot be started14:05
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pabelangerwitek: fell free to ask us in #openstack-infra for help14:05
pabelangeror even add issues to
witekthanks, will forward to adrian and kornicameister14:06
witekI guess we'll need that help :(14:06
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witekthese are the the current reviews:14:08
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witek#topic Add Service Domain Spec14:09
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witekI have just given +214:10
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jgrThanks :-)14:10
jgr(I put it14:11
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jgron the agenda because I want to get started on implementation at some stage)14:11
witekI there are no other comments, I'll merge14:11
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witekI guess, we have an agreement that we want that feature, so you can start implementing14:12
witekyou're welcome :)14:13
witek#topic Grafana datasource14:13
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jgrI put that on there as well14:13
jgrSo there is this Grafana data source plugin for Grafana 3.x and up14:13
witekIt's definitely a good idea to have a release tag for it14:13
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jgrIt allows us to use Monasca from recent Grafana14:14
jgrs/Monasca/Monasca metrics/14:14
joadavissounds cool14:14
jgrThe only problem is that it's only got a master branch so far...14:14
jgrIt is. It even works :-)14:15
witekit has "independent" release model14:15
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jgr(I messed with it a bit today and got it to use the Monasca Horizon plugin's metrics API proxy)14:15
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jgrWhich means we no longer need to worry about authentication (its normal mode of operation involves a Keystone token pasted into the Grafana plugin configuration...)14:16
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jgrwitek: does "independent" prevent us from having tarballs on
witekI guess tarballs are generated for every release tag, which we can have anytime we want14:17
jgrwitek: basically I'd like to have a master tarball with a development version increased on a per-commit basis in there14:18
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witekisnt't that too much of tagging?14:18
jgrWell, it's the regular tagging...14:18
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jgrSee for an example14:19
jgrIt's got the base version from master (2.2.1) and its development revision is dev22 right now.14:19
witekok, I'll check how it works14:19
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jgrBasically I'd like to have this sort of thing for monasca-grafana-datasource as well so I've got a source of truth for the version to use in my package :-)14:20
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jgrAbsolutely no need for a stable branch - I'm fine with targeting master14:21
witekso how does grafana-datasource operate with monasca-ui proxy?14:21
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jgrSmoothly :-)14:22
witekwe use it for longer time already but only with Grafana Keystone auth fork14:22
jgrYou point it at http://<dashboard url>/monitoring/proxy and that's it, mostly14:22
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jgrYou need a small patch to get it to omit the API version from the URL it generates based on that base URL, too14:22
witekso you disable Grafana's authentication?14:23
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jgrMostly, yes14:23
jgrWhat I'm doing right now is allow anonymous login and log in as admin to edit the dashboard14:23
jgrThat way the anonymous user can view the dashboard but not modify it14:24
jgrI think that's a fairly sensible way to go about things14:24
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jgrOne could allow the anonymous user to edit dashboards or configure authentication in Grafana to allow users to create and modify their own personal dashboards14:25
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jgrBut for now I'll settle for the "admin defines, all others view" approach14:25
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witeksounds reasonable, I'll have to take a look how it works14:26
jgrThe main thing I wanted to make sure of for now is whether re-using the Horizon session for authentication on the API/API Proxy side (and that appears to work just fine)14:26
jgrI've got a rough-and-ready patch against monasca-grafana-datasource14:27
jgrI'll polish that up a a bit and add a bit of a writeup for the monasca-grafana-datasource documentation14:27
jgrOnce it's in a clean shape I'll submit a review14:28
witekwhat we're losing, is ability for tenants to create their dashboards14:28
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jgrWell, with Grafana 1.5 these are not persistent either...14:29
witekbut with Grafana 4 and Keystone auth fork14:29
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jgrHmm. Maybe one could even add a Horizon auth plugin to Grafana.14:30
jgrThat way one wouldn't need an extra login.14:30
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jgrAfter all the Horizon session contains tenant information...14:31
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witekI think we'll follow up on it14:32
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witekthanks for the update14:33
witek#topic metrics_db_check() migration14:33
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akiraYAny comments?14:34
witekI think the gates should pass now14:35
witekyou can try to recheck14:35
akiraYOk, i'll do it.14:35
witekI promised review, but didn't get to it14:35
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scadd to my todo list14:36
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witek#topic value_meta14:37
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akiraYrecently, I've researched TSDBs and I found there are some TSDBs supporing only float.14:38
akiraYI have a question: is value_meta used (or required)?14:38
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rhochmuthvalue_meta is used to provide additional information about a metric14:40
rhochmuthfor example, let's say you have a metric called http_status14:41
rhochmutha value of 0 implies OK, a value of 1, implies down14:41
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rhochmuththe value_meta would be used to provide addition information, such as the status code and text message14:41
rhochmuthfor example, status_code=500, msg="internal server error"14:42
akiraYmore comments?14:43
witekakiraY: which TSDB does not support key/value pairs of strings?14:43
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akiraYGridDB is one of them.14:45
akiraYSee 'supported data types' row.14:46
rhochmuthwell, i think yiou would just eliminate the value meta if you wanted to support a tsdb that doesn't support strings14:46
witekthe field is optional in the API14:46
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witekdoes it answer your question?14:48
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akiraYI want to know:14:49
akiraYa) is value_meta used?14:50
rhochmuththe field is optional in the API, but you will end-up dropping it in GridDB14:50
rhochmuthi meant not store it14:50
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rhochmuthso, basically loss of information14:50
akiraYb) is it important?14:50
akiraYc) can any metrics DB ignore it?14:51
rhochmuthwell, it isn't preferred14:52
witeka) yes14:52
witekb) might be14:52
witekc) it's not the main purpose of the TSDB to store value_meta14:53
akiraYI see. thanks:)14:54
witekI think it depends how you operate Monasca14:54
witekit's definitely a plus if you can store additional info14:55
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akiraYI think so.14:55
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witekanything else for today?14:56
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witekif not, thank you all14:57
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akiraYthank you.14:57
witeksee you next week14:58
harukibye, thanks14:58
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jungleboyj#startmeeting Cinder16:00
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jungleboyjCourtesy ping:  jungleboyj DuncanT diablo_rojo, diablo_rojo_phon, rajinir tbarron xyang xyang1 e0ne gouthamr thingee erlon patrickeast tommylikehu eharney geguileo smcginnis lhx_ lhx__ aspiers16:00
jungleboyjxyang1:  Good to have you here!16:01
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geguileohi! o/16:01
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xyang1jungleboyj: thanks:)16:01
tommylikehuhi xyang116:01
* jungleboyj misses pewp bot!16:01
jungleboyjhemna: ^^^  :-)16:01
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jungleboyjxyang1:  We going to be seeing more of you  again?16:02
xyang1jungleboyj: hope so16:02
jungleboyjxyang1:  Me too!  You have been missed.16:02
jungleboyjtbarron:  Good to see you as well.16:02
xyang1jungleboyj: thanks! I miss you guys too16:02
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tbarronjungleboyj: :)16:02
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jungleboyjOk, lets get started.  We have the usual suspects16:03
jungleboyj#topic announcements16:04
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jungleboyjAs always, please keep an eye on the review priorities:16:04
jungleboyjThe Hedvig driver should have CI running soon.  I need to look through that patch.  Would be good to get eye on it once the CI is running.16:05
jungleboyjHave seen some people pick up the review pace since last week's plea.  Thank you.  Appreciate any help that can be given.16:05
jungleboyjZuulV3 migration ....16:05
jungleboyjSo, I have been seeing mostly successful runs.16:05
jungleboyjSean, want to give a quick update on what issues the release team is seeing?16:06
smcginnisInspur also looks good. At least as far as having a reporting CI.16:06
jungleboyjsmcginnis: ^^16:06
e0nejungleboyj: did we face any issues with new zuul?16:06
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jungleboyjsmcginnis:  Ah, thank you.  I will look at Inspur as well.16:06
smcginnisYeah, there are various changes with zuulv3 that are tripping up the post-release jobs. We should have them sorted out soon, but can't really release anything right now.16:06
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smcginnisSo folks can still propose releases, we just might not be able to process them immediately.16:07
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bswartzsmcginnis: boo16:08
bswartzhow will we do the milestone?16:08
jungleboyjbswartz:  Hey, way to segway.16:08
smcginnisShould be OK by tomorrow. I hope.16:08
* bswartz hopes too16:08
smcginnisActually, I think we have the final fix going through right now.16:08
* smcginnis keeps his fingers crossed.16:08
* jungleboyj crosses my fingers16:09
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jungleboyjSo, tomorrow is Milestone 1.16:09
jungleboyjI will be proposing our milestone branch later today and it will get merged whenever things are working.16:09
jungleboyjAny concerns there?16:09
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jungleboyjSo, that was all I had for announcements.16:10
jungleboyj#topic Sydney16:10
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jungleboyjSo, I have the etherpad to record Sydney info:16:10
jungleboyjIs it really just smcginnis diablo_rojo and I going?16:11
jungleboyjIf so, that would explain why the foundation was asking Lenovo if we were sure we didn't want more people to go.16:11
bswartzthere will be a few netapp ppl16:12
bswartznot me though16:12
_alastor_jungleboyj: I'll be there :)16:12
e0neI'll miss this Summit :(16:12
smcginnisbswartz: Staying home for another baby? :)16:12
jungleboyjbswartz: erlon or gonso >16:12
jungleboyje0ne:  :-(16:12
lhx__not me too :(16:12
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jungleboyj_alastor_:  Great.  Will be good to see you again.16:13
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jungleboyjThanks for updating the etherpad.16:13
tommylikehusmall party then16:13
jungleboyjtommylikehu:  Not you either?16:13
SwansonNo way am I going down there to be attacked by a poison koala.16:13
smcginnisReally too bad how many can't make it this time. :{16:14
tommylikehujungleboyj: I am not able to16:14
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smcginnisSwanson: Drop bears. ;)16:14
* jungleboyj shakes my head16:14
smcginnisbswartz: Hah!16:14
jungleboyjbswartz:  OMG!16:14
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jungleboyjGood thing I hear they only hate people from the east coast of the US.16:14
e0neIt's pretty hard to get budget approved both for PTG in USA and the Summit in Sydney16:14
jungleboyje0ne:  Understood.  Well, just wanted to make sure.16:14
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tommylikehue0ne:  yes, very hard16:15
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smcginnisNext PTG is confirmed to be in Dublin the week of Feb 26.16:15
smcginnisShould be a little cheaper/easier for some.16:15
bswartzthey don't attack people with australian accents, so start working on your fake aussie accent now16:15
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lhx__e0ne, +116:15
e0nesmcginnis: sounds good16:15
jungleboyjWe have a couple of forum sessions scheduled.  I will add that info to the etherpad.16:15
jungleboyjStill waiting for the on-boarding room to be scheduled.16:15
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jungleboyjbswartz:   Gooday Mate16:15
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jungleboyjsmcginnis:  Where did you see that confirmed?16:16
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Swansonmalonga gilderchuck16:16
smcginnisjungleboyj: Theirry confirmed in the -dev channel this morning.16:17
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  Nice!16:17
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jungleboyjThat is going to be great.  Hope everyone can make it.16:17
jungleboyjSo, I was going to ask about planning a Cinder event at the Summit but that seems unnecessary given the lack of people going.16:18
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smcginnisMaybe we can see who actually ends up showing up and try to arrange something information via IRC.16:18
jungleboyjSure.  We can just play it by ear.16:19
e0neit's only $340 for flight to Dublin and back - I like it16:19
_alastor_jungleboyj: I'm already trying to figure out how many board games I can fit in my luggage.  My goal is 10+ with at least 2 big ones16:19
lhx__smcginnis, jungleboyj ,maybe we can use ZOOM for Remote communication16:20
* jungleboyj shakes my head16:20
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jungleboyj_alastor_:  smcginnis  keeps trying to get me to travel in one carryon.  No big games for me.16:20
jungleboyjlhx__:  What is ZOOM?16:20
smcginnisjungleboyj: Webex that works.16:21
bswartzgiven how much bag fees cost, it's cheaper to buy the board games on the other side and throw them away16:21
lhx__jungleboyj, you can google to search "zoom" :)16:22
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_alastor_bswartz: You just have to get creative.  Boxes are unecessary most of the time16:22
lhx__bswartz, cool16:22
jungleboyjlhx__: Interesting.  I will have to take a look at that.  I would like to be able to record/broadcast the on-boarding to get more people there/involved.16:22
jungleboyjAnyway, we can talk more of those details as the summit approaches.16:22
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bswartzzoom works on Linux, which makes it INFINITY% better than webex in my opinion16:23
jungleboyjbswartz:  ++16:23
* erlon sneaks in 16:23
jungleboyjerlon:  !16:23
jungleboyjSo, anything else on the summit?16:23
lhx__jungleboyj, I can apply a paid account of zoom if necessary ;)16:23
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jungleboyjlhx__:  Ok, we can talk over in the cinder channel about that.16:24
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jungleboyjMoving on then ...16:24
jungleboyj#topic Self-fencing on active/active HA16:25
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jungleboyjaspiers:  You here?16:25
jungleboyjTake it away.16:25
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aspierswell there's been some discussion in that review about how to handle fencing16:25
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aspiersI think (and I think Duncan agrees?) it needs to be out-of-band16:26
aspiersor at least a combination of in- and out-16:26
aspiersand I had this crazy idea regarding using SBD, potentially without Pacemaker16:26
aspiersso I just wanted to see if anyone had any initial reactions to that16:26
aspierswe don't need to discuss now, but I wanted to say that I'm more than happy to brainstorm with anyone who's interested16:27
DuncanTI need to learn more about SBD before I can comment. If it doesn't do STONITH then I don't understand how it can cover the corner cases, but that doesn't mean that somebody smarter than me hasn't figured it out16:27
aspiersI'm not a Cinder expert but have been very active on OpenStack HA in general16:27
aspiersyes, Storage-Based Death - the links are in the review but I can repaste here16:28
bswartzsilent but deadly16:28
jungleboyjaspiers:  Oh, ok.16:28
aspiersbswartz: X-)16:28
jungleboyjI need to look at the review.16:28
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jungleboyjSorry, haven't done that yet.16:28
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jungleboyjThere are days where I feel like I am suffering from Storage Based Death16:28
DuncanTThe amount of state outside of cinder (including in the kernel for iSCSI and others) means that anything short of shooting is going to fail in corner cases I believe16:28
aspiersjungleboyj: LOL, me too ;-)16:28
aspiersDuncanT: exactly16:29
aspiersand to me, SBD appears at first sight to be the perfect fit16:29
jungleboyjaspiers: Interesting.16:29
aspiersassuming it would be possible to reserve a tiny partition on the same shared storage which the cinder backend is using16:29
aspiersthen SBD uses that for heartbeating the connection to the storage16:30
aspiersif a cinder-volume loses access to it, it self-fences16:30
aspiersand a watchdog protects against kernel-level issues like blocking I/O, low memory etc.16:30
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DuncanTWatchdog as in hardware watchdog?16:30
aspiersI'm not even sure we'd need to use the poison-pill functionality SBD provides16:31
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aspiersDuncanT: right16:31
DuncanTAnything in kernel space can go wrong and will go wring :-)16:31
DuncanTaspiers: I will definitely read more16:31
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aspiersmy company (SUSE) has several SBD experts including the original author, and I confirmed with him that SBD should work fine without Pacemaker16:32
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tbarronaspiers: are you thinking of a 2-node cluster?  (no quorum?)16:32
aspiersI'm assuming we wouldn't want to pull in Pacemaker although TBH I haven't thought about that side of it much yet16:33
jungleboyjaspiers: So, for things like iSCSI configuration, etc.  How does SBD help?16:33
DuncanTaspiers: This does require a real hardware watchdog device though, which I don't think is standard16:33
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jungleboyjaspiers:  Also, is this only supported on SuSE or do other distros also support it?16:33
aspiersjungleboyj: it's general Linux HA, part of the Clusterlabs project16:33
aspiersI'm pretty sure Red Hat supports it16:34
jungleboyjeharney:  ?16:34
tbarronaspiers: well you'd probably need to socialize it16:34
jungleboyjHe was here before.16:34
aspierstbarron: I was thinking there is no need for a cluster manager tracking quorum16:34
tbarronlots of stuff upstream isn't officially supported downstream yet16:35
tbarronnot yet "tried, tested, trusted" certified, etc.16:35
aspiersSBD is a bog-standard component in Pacemaker stacks (which RH definitely supports)16:35
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DuncanTHmmm, it looks like reliably detecting that a node has shot itself is not possible with SBD, so we don't have a way to kick off the recovery processes cinder needs to do?16:35
tbarronaspiers: not arguing that it's not a good path forwards or supportable though ...16:36
jungleboyjOk, just want to make sure it can be a general solution.16:36
DuncanTIn which case it doesn't help...16:36
jungleboyjgeguileo:  Thoughts here as Mr. HA for Cinder?16:36
* DuncanT speed reads docs badly16:36
jungleboyjDuncanT:  You aren't alone.16:36
tbarronget DuncanT off the meth16:36
jungleboyjtbarron:  There is not DuncanT without meth.  ;-)16:37
jungleboyjOh wait, I mean beer.16:37
geguileojungleboyj: Sorry, was busy in other battles, and I don't know what we are talking about... So can't comment16:37
tbarrongeguileo: that doesn't stop anyone else16:37
geguileotbarron: but at least they are reading this chat   ;-P16:38
smcginnistbarron: :)16:38
DuncanTPart of the issue is that we need to do work once we know a node has definitely gone away... easy with STONITH since the shooter can do said work.... hard with self fencing16:38
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aspiersDuncanT: that's a good point, I suspect that sbd will write something to its slot on the partition before self-fencing though, in which case you would know when it's done16:38
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DuncanTaspiers: It can't do that if it has lost the connection to the storage, by definition16:38
aspiersdoh, oh yeah :)16:39
DuncanTaspiers: Corner cases are the problem :-) Healthy, working nodes don't need to die16:39
aspiersbut if it's lost connection to the storage then by definition it's safe to kick off recovery16:39
DuncanTaspiers: How do you know if it's a lost connection or a buggy kernel driver dropping some but not all I/O?16:39
aspiersthe distinction is about what happens if the connection is re-established16:40
aspiersif a buggy kernel driver drops enough traffic, SBD will lose a heartbeat and self-fence16:40
aspiersso I guess you are talking about that grey zone16:40
DuncanTaspiers: Yes, but the node that is taking over eneeds to know that that has happened, with 100% certainty16:41
DuncanTThe grey zone is a really big, worrying zone in the H/A storage world16:41
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aspierspresumably we'd want to be able to handle *some* intermittent I/O drops though? or not?16:41
aspiersif it's only for a few millisecs, do we still need fencing?16:42
DuncanTaspiers: I'm not sure of the value of a 50% solution16:42
aspierswell I'm asking how much resilience cinder and the storage has against that kind of condition16:42
jungleboyjIf a node self fences the other node can't STONITH?16:42
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DuncanTSelf-fencing to trigger a faster STONITH definitely helps16:43
aspiersjungleboyj: the other node could still write a poison pill to the shared partition16:43
DuncanTSTONITH is the only 100% solution I think...16:43
jungleboyjaspiers:  Ok ... So, it would seem that we want the poison pill if going this direction.16:43
aspiersmaybe involving Pacemaker is also a possibility. that way you get the state machine properties you are asking for16:44
aspiershow scalable does a cinder-volume A/A cluster need to be?16:44
aspiersPacemaker currently only scales to 16-32 nodes, depending on who you ask for support16:44
aspiersbut maybe that's enough for this scenario?16:44
jungleboyjaspiers: Depends on the end user's configuration.  If they are managing SAN type boxes that is fine.16:45
jungleboyjIf they have a huge LVM cluster ...16:45
jungleboyjThough, that is kind of a different discussion.16:46
jungleboyjForget I said that.16:46
aspierswith Pacemaker there is the option for multiple types of fencing device, not just SBD but also IPMI and all kinds of other out-of-band mechanisms16:46
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aspiersyou can even layer multiple devices for redundancy in the fencing process16:46
aspierswith awareness of UPS topology etc.16:46
aspierswell, we don't have to solve this in the remaining 12 minutes ;-)16:47
aspiersbut I'll be in Sydney and more than happy to discuss in more depth16:47
jungleboyjThe problem with HA is I feel like we are kind-of paralyzed trying to get a perfect solution.16:48
aspiersor even before then if you prefer16:48
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jungleboyjYeah, we aren't going to solve this now.16:48
aspiersjungleboyj: there is no perfect solution ;-) it's like security, you have to consider the relative risks of the various things which could go wrong and then make a judgement call16:48
aspiersin HA it's a question of deciding what are the possible failure modes we care about16:49
aspiersand making sure those are handled16:49
jungleboyjSo, I think the way forward is to get the team reviewing the spec:16:49
aspiersand as DuncanT originally pointed out, I'm pretty sure that "kernel with low memory" is one of those failure modes16:49
jungleboyj#action Team to review spec:
bswartzit's also important to make sure that the cure isn't worse than the disease though16:49
aspiersbswartz: totally agree ;-)16:49
jungleboyjThen I think it would be good for those of us in Sydney to meet f2f so I can better understand this.16:50
bswartzif a failover could cause corruption when HA is in use when a failure would just cause loss of access without HA, then no HA is preferrable16:50
geguileosilly question, does it really make sense fencing Cinder because the node cannot access it using iSCSI for example?16:50
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  You up for that?16:50
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smcginnisjungleboyj: Sure!16:50
jungleboyjgeguileo:  Uh, depends.  ;-)16:51
aspiersbswartz: in an active/active scenario what kind of failover are you thinking of?16:51
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  Ok.16:51
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jungleboyj#action Cinder team and aspiers to get together in Sydney to discuss further.16:51
geguileojungleboyj: it would only make sense if we have multiple nodes in the cluster and there were some capable of accessing the storage, right?16:51
jungleboyjaspiers:  I have office hours planned.  If all else fails we can talk then.16:51
aspiersjungleboyj: ACK16:51
geguileobut if we only have 1 node or none of them can access the data layer we shouldn't16:52
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bswartzaspiers: the types of failures DuncanT was alluding to, mostly split brain syndromes16:52
jungleboyjgeguileo:  Right.16:52
jungleboyjgeguileo:  That was why I said it depends.16:52
* geguileo needs to review the spec...16:53
aspiersbswartz: SBD is kind of a bit like a quorum disk in that it can eliminate the split brain problem16:53
jungleboyjgeguileo:  Exactly.16:53
geguileojungleboyj: because I set that to -1 on the workflow until we actually had something to work with16:53
jungleboyjSo, lets do that and those of us at the summit can assimilate that data and try to come back with more info for a future meeting.16:53
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aspiersbswartz: split brain happens when nodes are normally supposed to talk to each other through a cluster mesh and then get partitioned, but that's not the architecture I'm proposing here16:54
smcginnis5 minute warning.16:55
jungleboyjaspiers: geguileo DuncanT Any concern with the plan going forward?16:55
aspiersnope sounds good to me!16:55
aspiersthanks a lot everyone for this discussion16:55
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jungleboyj#action jungleboyj  To find some time to get people together to talk about this in Sydney.16:55
geguileojungleboyj: you mean picking up the spec again, and those going to the summit talking about it?16:55
jungleboyjgeguileo:  Correct16:56
geguileojungleboyj: sounds good to me16:56
jungleboyjgeguileo:  Cool.16:56
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jungleboyjWe have a plan.  Thanks for bringing this up aspiers16:56
aspierssure :)16:56
jungleboyj#topic Open Discussion16:56
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jungleboyjReminder to vote for the TC election if you haven't already done so.16:57
SwansonI voted for everyone I've ever heard of.16:57
jungleboyjAlso, if you have thoughts on multi-attach functionality, we need to get this spec reviewed and merged ASAP.
jungleboyjAnything else in the last minute?16:59
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jungleboyjOk.  Thanks all for the good discussion.16:59
jungleboyjHave a great rest of the week.  Thanks for working on Cinder!16:59
jungleboyjSee you next week.16:59
aspiersthanks, and bye for now!16:59
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jungleboyj#endmeeting cinder17:00
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bh526r#startmeeting gluon18:02
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openstackMeeting started Wed Oct 18 18:02:09 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is bh526r. Information about MeetBot at
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bh526r#topic Roll Call18:02
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krenczewskiHi Bin18:02
bh526r#info Bin Hu18:02
krenczewski#info Kamil Renczewski18:02
bh526rHi Kamil18:02
jinli#info JinLi18:02
jinlihi Bin and Kamil18:02
bh526rHi Jin18:02
krenczewskiHi Jin18:02
bh526r#topic Status Update18:03
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bh526rHi Jin, I saw your update of patch, but I didn't have a chance to review it. sorry18:03
jinliI should be able to finish the backend code this afternoon and schedule a meeting with you to review it tomorrow18:04
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jinlithe new patch in gerrit is just for testing. so don't worry about it18:04
bh526rthat's great18:04
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bh526rI see.18:04
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bh526rAre you in San Ramon or in San Francisco today?18:04
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jinliI will go to San ramon after this meeting18:05
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bh526rMe too.18:05
jinlioh awesome,18:05
jinlilet's meet then18:05
bh526rSomeone from New Jersey is coming to San Ramon today, and I will go to San Ramon after this meeting too18:05
bh526rlet's meet them.18:05
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bh526rI will call you once I get there so that you can let me in :)18:06
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jinliyou maybe faster than me.18:06
bh526rprobably after 1pm18:06
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jinlioh ok18:06
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bh526rwhen I get there18:07
jinlithat should be fine18:07
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bh526rIs there printer there that I can print something?18:07
bh526rmy original plan is to stop by Milpitas office, and print in Milpitas18:08
jinlithere are printers18:08
bh526rIf I can print in San Ramon, I can just go straight18:08
bh526rso may be there at around 12:30pm.18:08
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bh526rLet's see18:09
bh526rSo see you soon, Jin18:09
bh526rKamil, anything from your side?18:09
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krenczewskiOne question18:09
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krenczewskiDo we still have monday biweekly meetings?18:09
krenczewskiI don't have one in my calendar18:10
bh526rNo, we don't. I canceled all of those meetings18:10
krenczewskiDo I required on them?18:10
bh526rThat's why it disappeared on your calendar because I canceled them :)18:10
krenczewskiI wasn't sure18:11
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bh526rThank you for checking18:11
bh526rIt saves everyone's time18:11
bh526ranything else from anyone?18:12
jinlithat's all from me18:12
krenczewskime too18:12
bh526r#info Jin will finish coding of backend today, and Bin and Jin will review as soon as possible18:12
bh526r#info Nothing else, meeting adjourned18:12
bh526rSounds good. Let's adjourn meeting and give back your time :)18:12
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jinlithank you all!18:13
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bh526rThank you Kamil and Jin, good bye18:13
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SotKis there anyone who urgently wants a storyboard meeting this week?19:04
SotKotherwise we should skip today I think19:04
* SotK will be around in #storyboard if anyone has anything they want to chat about19:06
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notmynameswift meeting time!21:00
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notmyname#startmeeting swift21:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'swift'21:00
notmynamewho's here for the swift team meeting?21:00
jungleboyjAt least for the first little bit.21:00
timburketorgomatic: is that a... burrito?21:01
torgomatictimburke: yep. burrito emoji is best emoji.21:01
notmynamewelcome to everyone, and torgomatic's burrito21:01
jungleboyjOh, that is what that is.  I thought it was like a dinosaur arm or something.21:01
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notmynamethere's the agenda21:02
notmynamenote we didn't have an 0700 meeting (nothing was on the agenda, and no one brought up any topics)21:02
notmyname#topic bug triage21:02
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notmynamelet's go slightly out of order...21:03
notmynamethere's the bug triage etherpad21:03
notmynameand tdasilva brough up the question of another bug triage day21:03
notmynametdasilva: any more to say on that?21:03
tdasilvanot really..was just wondering if we shoud do it again or not...21:03
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notmynameeveryone, please share your thoughts21:04
notmynameseems like a good idea to me21:04
mattoliverauI'm up for it21:05
mattoliverauCan't believe it's been a month already!21:05
timburkeyeah, probably would be good21:05
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notmynameIMO the main "good" of it is to have the designated time for it21:06
torgomaticjust be careful that our outgoing bugs don't stay above our incoming bugs for too long, or we'll have to borrow bugs to make ends meet21:06
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notmynameif you need more bugs, I can get back to writing some patches...21:07
mattoliverautorgomatic: lol that's the idea :p21:07
jungleboyjCinder has plenty of bugs ... we will share.21:07
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notmynameso when do we do it? next week? in two weeks ont he 1st?21:07
notmynameany strong preferences?21:08
mattoliverauI don't mind, either works.. tho the 1st does sound cool21:08
mattoliverauAnd just before the summit, for those gojnf21:09
mattoliverauGoing even21:09
mattoliverau^come on auto correction, can you guess what I'm saying this early :p21:09
notmynamealso has the advantage of being the next scheduled 0700 meeting day21:09
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notmynameany opposition to setting a bug triage day to two weeks from today?21:10
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mattoliverauOf no one else has other strong opinions, let's do the 1st.. sold21:10
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notmynameok, two weeks from now it is21:11
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notmynamebug triage day scheduled!21:11
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notmyname#topic new release21:11
claygI somehow managed to not much do bug triage on bug triage day last time21:11
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clayg... it mostly had to do with that day being already booked with meetings21:11
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notmynamedo we need a new swift release soon?21:11
clayg... and I can't just NOT do any coding ...21:11
mattoliverauclayg:  and the next bug triage day? You have 2 weeks to book it up again ;)21:12
notmynameI'm inclined to say yes we should cut a release. there's some good stuff there, and it's been about 2 months since the last one21:12
claygwell - is it on a wednesday?  I think I missed the decision/date?21:12
timburkenotmyname: we *always* need a new release. it just keeps getting better!21:12
notmynametimburke: right on!21:12
claygtimburke: +221:12
tdasilvanotmyname: this week is Quest M1, correct?21:12
notmynameclayg: two weeks from today21:12
claygtdasilva: +2 where are we at on openstack release-y bits?21:13
notmynameI don't think that's mattered before, has it?21:13
claygso it *is* on a wednesday :'(21:13
notmynameclayg: you can do it on a tuesday if you want :-)21:13
claygnotmyname: not the specific date - but we're going to want to do a release for Q21:13
tdasilvanotmyname: no, just a good coincidence for the downstream testers that do care about it thou...21:13
claygnotmyname: that's a good idea!  I'll try that21:13
tdasilvalol, not Quest, Queens!21:14
notmynameright. aside from the end-of-cycle release, the openstack milestone dates don't stongly influence us21:14
* notmyname likes Quest better ;-)21:14
mattoliverauclay or you can be an honorary Australian and do it on Thursday, case 2 weeks from today is a Thursday here ;)21:14
claygmaybe it just accident - but I always liked it when we do a "slight after the upstream with stuff we decided not to merge at the last minute for upstream" release - then something in the upstream RC phase as the "probably about what is going into the upstream release sans a few things that aren't quite polished/pushed" and then another one... FOR the upstream release21:15
claygthat ends up ~5-6 releases a year, or one every other month-ish and that feels about right more or less21:15
notmynamethe upstream queens release isn't until late february or early march21:15
claygoh, so we're just late with our after pike release?21:16
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claygwas pike 2.15 or 2.14?21:16
notmynameonly "late" if you expected it earlier21:16
notmynamepike was 2.15.121:16
notmynamethat was our last release about 2 months ago21:16
notmynameok... let me start over and rephrase :-)21:16
notmynamelet's do a release soon! I'll set up the priority reviews page, and please make sure you tage any bugs as critical that should block a release21:17
notmynamethis will be for swift 2.16.021:17
mattoliveraunotmyname: good idea, and thanks :)21:17
claygyeah so we're right on time?21:17
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mattoliverauYup, it's the perfect time for release :)21:18
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claygpike was August21:18
notmynamepike was august 2121:18
notmyname2 months ago, almost to the day21:19
notmynameI'll get working on the logistics for it21:19
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notmynameand I think this will be good, especially considering the feature branches currently in play. gives us a reasonable lead time for landing one or more before the next release (or openstack q)21:20
notmynamespeaking of...21:20
notmyname#topic ongoing work checks21:20
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notmynamehow's container sharding going this week?21:20
notmynameI know acoles has made some good progress on shrinking21:21
claygnotmyname: we should definitely release before landing some of the big feature branches21:21
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notmynamewhat else is going on? anything you need to bring up for discussion or that blocks anything?21:21
mattoliverauYeah, acoles has been working more on a new and better shrinking alg21:21
acolesI'm hopeful that the 'simpler' shrinking approach is going to do the job.21:21
claygnotmyname: timburke has the SLO heartbeat change - I think that's a good 'en21:21
mattoliverauAnd related probe tests21:22
claygoh... just on sharding - my bad21:22
acolesfound some systemic bugs last week that once fixed have got the shrink test passing21:22
mattoliverauNot as much work this week unfortunately. But that's mostly me being busy21:22
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mattoliverauacoles is awesome21:23
acolesthis week I've been working on collating listings from multiple shards21:23
notmynamemattoliverau: something blocking you that we can help with, or is it more on other $DAYJOB commitments?21:23
timburkeme too :-( i at least got my merge commit in last friday, but i haven't done my follow-up address-review-comments patch yet (iirc)21:23
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mattoliverauYeah, $DAYJOB.. and not giving me as much time :( home life a little busy this week too21:24
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notmynamesounds good. thanks for all your work on it this week21:25
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notmynamehow about the s3api work?21:25
notmynamekota_: and tdasilva have been doing a lot there, I've seen21:25
kota_early of this week, swift3 got a new release21:26
notmynameswift3 has had it's "final" tag21:26
kota_and I'm starting to migrate the code to s3api feature branch21:26
notmynameand the code was merged to the feature branch? or has it not landedyet?21:26
patchbotpatch 512284 - swift (feature/s3api) - Import all swift3 code as s3api21:26
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kota_not yet, thought it's just a full copy though.21:27
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tdasilvakota_: I started moving some of the files around:
patchbotpatch 513170 - swift (feature/s3api) - Continue merge swift3 middleware21:27
notmynamenote to everyone that we are *not* preserving the git history from the swift3 codebase into swift21:27
kota_1. tdasilva minds to save git history....21:27
kota_tdasilva: great21:28
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kota_oh, yeah,21:28
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kota_notmyname: thanks for covering the issue for notification to all21:28
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kota_done for the 1, above.21:29
notmynameany question on this? anything from kota_ or tdasilva for questions for the group?21:29
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timburkenote that when we do the final merge, it'd probably be nice to have one commit that is a straight copy, with follow-on commits to move things into position21:29
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tdasilvatimburke: that's what I was planning to21:30
timburkeperfect :-)21:30
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tdasilvatimburke: kota's patch does that with some very minor changes21:30
tdasilvaand then my follow-on patch starts moving things around21:30
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tdasilvakota_: maybe we can continue some planning after this meeting on #openstack-swift channel?21:31
claygwhat is the burndown list for merge to master?  Are we still defining that scope or do we have a pretty clear picture?21:31
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kota_tdasilva: sure21:31
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notmynameclayg: excellent question21:32
claygis there anything that looks like a "beta" - since for awhile going with the last commit to swift3 is probably a better option for new deployments than trying out s3api to figure out what we missed?21:32
notmynameI have a general idea of the merge to master stuff21:32
tdasilvaclayg: we started writing down some tasks on an etherpad, but I was thinking it would be nice to have a trello board like sharding....21:32
notmynameremove some of the s3_acls configs and redo how the bucket is mapped to (account, continaer)21:32
notmynametdasilva: +121:32
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clayglike torgomatic was talking bucket registries - I sure wouldn't want to see us starting this process if we're holding on that - but if stuff is going to "change wildy in backwards incompatible ways" after the merge we need to have something that steers people away from building on this new hawtness until we're ready to support it21:33
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torgomaticyep, I'd hate to have something on master that we then break compatibility with, because then we've either got to figure an upgrade path or deal with angry users21:34
claygtdasilva: notmyname: to me that sounds like we're still defining scope ... but idk ... maybe we can get it "all" done w/o having massive pressure to continue to make (perhaps minor) improvements to swift321:34
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notmynamekota_: tdasilva: can I set up a trello board for the eventual merge to master?21:35
tdasilvanotmyname: sure, +121:35
claygtorgomatic: i'm on with it "on master" and having integration testing hawtness going *while* we break it (personally)21:35
kota_sounds good.21:35
claygbut we'd have to make it like idk, BETA or something21:35
notmynameclayg: yeah, your concern is that we'll have to keep updating swift3 while we're working on big s3api stuff before a merge to master?21:35
torgomaticclayg: as long as we've got enough barriers that people don't accidentally start using it, that 's probably fine21:36
claygnotmyname: well I saw us celebrate "we're done with swift3" and that means either we're close to a merge of s3api to mater or we're liars ;)21:36
claygtorgomatic: the point where people can start using it is when we get to stop working on swift3?21:37
tdasilvaclayg: I think 'we're done with swift3' meant more as in: 'soft freeze, swift3 won't get more big ticket features'21:37
claygi could be wrong about that point too... if the runway is short enough we can tell people to hold their breath21:37
timburkeyeah, we're liars. i'm about to do some manual testing on my own, and i already see some of what will need21:37
claygor we can "work" on swift3 but not like "massive" efforts - just like small improvements and stuff that looks more like bug fixes (which I think kota & tim were planning on doing anyway)21:38
timburkenot that i think a soft freeze on swift3 was a bad move -- i just need to keep customers happy21:38
claygok yeah soft freeze - i love it21:38
tdasilvatimburke: right...maintenance mode??21:38
notmynameI'll get a trello baord updated with that so we can see what's left and how much we're liars or how close we are :-)21:38
claygthe idea is "don't go redesigning on implementing huge things in swift3 that's not where it's at; we could use help over here where it's at"21:38
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tdasilvaclayg: +121:39
claygtimburke: thanks for the clarity21:39
notmynameok, next up..21:39
claygnotmyname: i might have to pick one of these feature branches to start paying attention to :\21:39
timburkei don't know that i added any clarity, but w/e...21:39
notmynameclayg: no problem :-)21:39
notmynamem_kazuhiro: kota_: I've seen a lot of discussion this week on symlinks21:40
notmynamewhat's going on?21:40
claygtimburke: probably i was just confused - you do good speaking clearly - so when you talk it tends to clear things up for me ;)21:40
m_kazuhiroPlease wait a little....21:40
kota_i thought m_kazuhiro got conclusions on some remaining issues.21:40
claygwe're gunna post to them and then 307 - it's amazing21:40
notmynamem_kazuhiro: you want me to come back to this topic?21:41
m_kazuhironotmyname: If I can, it is good for me.21:41
notmynameclayg: any updates for the big "remove eventlet" work?21:42
notmynameanything on pete's patch or tsync or anything?21:42
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claygpete is going to do another rev - it's going to be great21:43
claygnext thing from me on replication will be for priority db replicators21:43
claygI think after that I'm probably mostly interested in worker pattern expansion beyond reconstructor21:43
notmynamethis is getting the goodness we've got in the object replicators into the DB replicators?21:44
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timburkefwiw, we already see how that'd be nice to have on feature/deep :-)21:44
notmynameoh, yeah, that makes sense :-)21:44
claygi'm not sure when we're going to work on fixing the REPLICATE api rehash on-disk protoc stuff21:44
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notmynameclayg: is there anything you need from the rest of us?21:45
claygi mean not unless someone has some cycles and really cares about reducing bullshit iops on object devices21:45
claygi'm still in squeeze what we can out of what we have mode - but "somewhere" down the road i also have opinions about a better world...21:46
notmynamerledisez: what's up with LOSF work?21:46
notmynameclayg: :-)21:46
rlediseznot much. alecuyer's been working on finding that bug21:47
rlediseza bit tricky, but he's on the right track21:47
rledisezi hope better news next week21:47
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notmynamem_kazuhiro: are you ready?21:47
m_kazuhironotmyname: OK21:48
m_kazuhiroWe got conclusions for some of remaining discussion points. Then, our remaining discussion points are only 2. And I’m updating symlink patch for review comments.21:48
notmynamewhen do you expect to have it in gerrit ready for comments?21:48
m_kazuhiroLast of next week of early of next next week. In my current plan.21:50
notmynameok, thank21:50
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notmyname#topic open discussion21:50
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notmynamewe have a few minutes left. anything that needs to be brought up by anyone?21:50
notmynameoh! clayg you mentioned the slow-SLO patch21:50
timburkeslow slow slow21:51
notmynameactually that's timburke's21:51
claygwell of *course* it's timburke's!?21:51
mattoliverauLol slow slow patch :)21:51
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patchbotpatch 509306 - swift - Let clients request heartbeats during SLO PUTs21:51
clayg@timburke you gunna fix the xml thing?  with the <delete> in the response?21:52
claygregardless I think it's a great idea and seems to WOMM21:52
claygcoverage/docs looks good21:52
timburkeidk... i'd intentionally *not* called out support for xml responses, even though i knew it was available21:52
claygI think it's pretty mergable21:52
claygoh but the docs *do* call out xml?21:53
timburkemaybe better for me to just rip that part out21:53
claygi guess - except we *do* response xml - but then the xml response is acctually for a bulk delete :\21:53
claygoh - you mean just like don't respond xml!?21:54
claygthat plan I love 100% +#21:54
notmynameclayg: so we can rip out xml but we can't have this opt-out because that could break clients? ;-)21:54
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claygnotmyname: I think that's false equivalence - but i'm acctually open to any discussion on what needs to be done to get this patch mergable21:56
notmynameI mean, a reasonable position is to rip out xml support when the client does opt-in, so that's a little bit of a joke :-)21:56
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notmynameclayg: WINKY FACE!21:56
claygi'm mostly interested in getting the heartbeat api released - so...21:56
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notmynameyeah, it's a Good Thing to have21:57
claygnotmyname: yeah yeah - i'm not complaining!  false equivalence is great technique to setup an argument!  attack from a defensible posistion!21:57
notmynameanyway... let's keep talking about XML responses to slow-SLOs in -swift and gerrit. and let's get this merged ASAP :-)21:58
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notmynamethere's lot's going on. I don't know why I expect anything different, but wow. thank you, everyone, for your work to make swift awesome(r)!21:58
clayg+2 get merged!  timburke let us know if we can help - you can't fix all the things (s3api, deep, slo)... acctually who am I kidding - this is timburke we're talking about - carry on21:59
notmynamethanks for coming today21:59
notmynameclayg: lol21:59
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