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| eumel8 | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 07:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 2 07:00:25 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eumel8. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 07:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 07:00 |
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| ianychoi | hi | 07:01 |
| eumel8 | Good morning! | 07:01 |
| eumel8 | Hopefully the right timezone ;) | 07:01 |
| ianychoi | Good morning | 07:01 |
| eumel8 | Welcome to the I18n team meeting | 07:01 |
| ianychoi | yep right 8am here | 07:01 |
| eumel8 | we have this "funny" thing with summertime and wintertime and this changed last weekend | 07:02 |
| eumel8 | #topic Open Discussion | 07:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 07:03 | |
| ianychoi | yep I slept 1 hour more on the last Sunday | 07:03 |
| eumel8 | no special topics today. We had have also some public holidays this week so the time to work was very short. | 07:04 |
| ianychoi | Aha.. some holidays in Germany? | 07:05 |
| chason | o/ | 07:06 |
| eumel8 | 500 years Martin Luther Reformation Day | 07:06 |
| eumel8 | so we have this holiday every 500 years ;) | 07:06 |
| eumel8 | hi chason | 07:07 |
| ianychoi | Good holiday :) Hello chason ! | 07:07 |
| amotoki | hi | 07:07 |
| chason | :p | 07:07 |
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| ianychoi | Hi amotoki :) | 07:07 |
| amotoki | i have been very busy since the beginning of Oct | 07:07 |
| chason | I guess this is my first time appears here. | 07:08 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, oh.. with too much work? | 07:08 |
| eumel8 | hi amotoki | 07:08 |
| amotoki | ianychoi: yeah + private one too | 07:08 |
| amotoki | ianychoi: do you have any information from alex or others about Sydney presentations? | 07:08 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, yep - they are still waiting for your feedback :) | 07:09 |
| amotoki | i think i have some time on Sat before the flight + during the flight | 07:10 |
| ianychoi | Oh.. I see | 07:10 |
| amotoki | i am really sorry for the inconvenience. will try my best | 07:12 |
| ianychoi | I am now in Oslo Norway from last Saturday to next Tuesday morning. Still I am suffered from jat lag but hopefully I can input more on my idea as much as possible | 07:13 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, that's fine - plz greet Alex and Patrick during Sydney Summit :) | 07:14 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: hahaha, jet lag will take maximal a week ;) | 07:14 |
| ianychoi | Infra team PTL - Clark said that he might be so busy during Summit but he can discuss Zanata & Infra with Zanata developemt team during lunch time | 07:14 |
| eumel8 | amotoki: good luck and greetings to Alex and Patrick also. Will look on Youtube for the video :) | 07:15 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, I don't want to but in reality jet lag is not so good.. | 07:15 |
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| eumel8 | ianychoi: my feeling is not the best regarding zanata upgrade. I will try to push the necessary merges this week | 07:17 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, good! Thanks a lot :) | 07:18 |
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| eumel8 | ianychoi: maybe I need a second period as PTL to reach the goal :) | 07:20 |
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| eumel8 | The Doc/I18n Onboarding Session is managed by pkovar and I think we are well prepared | 07:22 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, I will also support u :) | 07:23 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: yeah! One thing we want to start project doc translation | 07:23 |
| eumel8 | I'm not sure which changes we need to put a project doc in Zanata. | 07:24 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, yep | 07:24 |
| ianychoi | For this, maybe it would be so nice if one I18n member is so familiar with unified zuulv3 jobs | 07:24 |
| amotoki | sorry, seems disconnected... | 07:25 |
| ianychoi | Like unified doc jobs, project doc translation stuff needs to be included in unified jobs | 07:25 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: I have learnt a lot but I wouldn't say I'm familar with this stuff | 07:25 |
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| amotoki | is it clear what we need to do if we do it manually? | 07:26 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, for me, sorry but I have hadn't enough time to be familiar with zuulv3 jobs | 07:26 |
| eumel8 | my candidate for testing is the osa project. They have the best progress in all parts of documentation | 07:26 |
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| eumel8 | amotoki: I think it's nearly there: https://github.com/openstack/openstack-manuals/blob/master/.zuul.yaml | 07:28 |
| chason | eumel8 If you pleased, we can work together for zuulv3 jobs. | 07:29 |
| chason | en | 07:29 |
| amotoki | eumel8: how about the way to upload and download translation from/to zanata? | 07:29 |
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| amotoki | we also need to consider what kind of documents we would like to see in Zanata (install guide, user guide or something) | 07:30 |
| chason | eumel8 But I am also not familar | 07:30 |
| amotoki | i think we need to split docs into meaningful pieces | 07:31 |
| ianychoi | Although I am not still familiar with zuulv3, at least, training-guides would be a best reference to support project documentation translation - http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/training-guides/tree/tools/generatepot-training.sh & http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/project-config/tree/jenkins/scripts/common_translation_update.sh#n228 | 07:32 |
| eumel8 | there is a given structure https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible/tree/master/doc/source and https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible/tree/master/deploy-guide/source | 07:32 |
| eumel8 | don't know why the deploy-guide is so very special | 07:33 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, so.. then for ansible repository, "doc" & "deploy-guide" documents in Zanata for "openstack-ansible" project should be fine? | 07:34 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, I think amotoki's saying would be related.. for example: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/neutron/tree/doc/source -> admin, cli, contributor, and install are mixed in one documentation | 07:35 |
| ianychoi | (what I meant - one documentation is one conf.py) | 07:35 |
| eumel8 | is it really mixed? there is one in each directory | 07:37 |
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| ianychoi | eumel8, one conf.py and build but different output folder e.g., /install, /admin, /cli, and /contributor | 07:37 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, however, when we extract translation po from Sphinx, just one file might be generated as far as I know. amotoki: thoughts? | 07:38 |
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| amotoki | ianychoi: right. At now, sphinx generates POT files per RST file and | 07:44 |
| amotoki | the infra script merges all of them into one file | 07:44 |
| amotoki | I think one large file for all docs is too large to translate. that is my point | 07:45 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: mhmm, I think we have to try this for one project | 07:45 |
| amotoki | this is what I thought around PTG but i failed to find time to write a draft idea :( | 07:46 |
| eumel8 | amotoki: that's true. also bad to prioritize | 07:46 |
| amotoki | doc-migration completely broke the existing approach and a new approach needs to be explored | 07:47 |
| amotoki | btw, how many translators are interested in translating documentation? | 07:47 |
| amotoki | before moving this forward, we'd like to know whether this is worth trying | 07:48 |
| eumel8 | I think a lot (including me) | 07:48 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, would u kindly create one survey and share through I18n mailing list? | 07:48 |
| chason | amotoki me too. :) | 07:48 |
| ianychoi | to find out whether translators are interested in document translation or not? | 07:49 |
| eumel8 | amotoki: indian team and turkish team have completed docs translation | 07:49 |
| amotoki | sounds good :) | 07:49 |
| amotoki | japanese team has lost most translators working on docs (while GUI translation is active) | 07:49 |
| eumel8 | #action Create a survey to find out interests of project doc translation (eumel8) | 07:50 |
| ianychoi | Thanks a lot, eumel8! | 07:51 |
| eumel8 | okay, I will investigate how the translation jobs will work for project docs | 07:51 |
| chason | What about chinese team? | 07:51 |
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| eumel8 | chason: what do you mean? | 07:52 |
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| chason | eumel8 I mean how much Chinese translators we have. :) | 07:53 |
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| eumel8 | chason: I think more then enough ;) they are still very active. | 07:55 |
| chason | eumel8 Aha, it is a good news. | 07:57 |
| eumel8 | :) | 07:57 |
| eumel8 | so, we have the hour. thanks to all. have a save trip if you go to Sydney and see you next week :) | 07:58 |
| chason | Thx eumel8 | 07:58 |
| ianychoi | Thx eumel8 chason and amotoki | 07:58 |
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| amotoki | thanks! | 07:59 |
| eumel8 | #endmeeting | 07:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 07:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 2 07:59:07 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-11-02-07.00.html | 07:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-11-02-07.00.txt | 07:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-11-02-07.00.log.html | 07:59 |
| andreaf | #startmeeting qa | 08:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 2 08:01:21 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is andreaf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 08:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 08:01 |
| andreaf | o/ | 08:01 |
| andreaf | Hello, sorry for starting late - who's here for the meeting today? | 08:01 |
| masayukig | \o | 08:02 |
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| andreaf | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_October_19th_2017_.280800_UTC.29 Today's agenda | 08:02 |
| andreaf | masayukig: it looks like it's just the two of us today :D | 08:03 |
| masayukig | heh, but let's wait someone for a bit moment? | 08:04 |
| andreaf | yeah ok | 08:04 |
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| andreaf | ok I guess we waited long enough :) | 08:06 |
| masayukig | yeah | 08:06 |
| mtreinish | o/ | 08:06 |
| masayukig | haha | 08:06 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: good morning | 08:07 |
| andreaf | did you have a good flight? | 08:07 |
| andreaf | or good night | 08:07 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: heh, it's 7pm for me :) | 08:07 |
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| andreaf | so let's start | 08:08 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: the flight was uneventful, which is about the best you can ask for for ~22 hours on a plane | 08:08 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: heh good | 08:08 |
| mtreinish | at least in steerage class | 08:08 |
| andreaf | 22h, not bad | 08:08 |
| masayukig | oh, 10h for me | 08:08 |
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| andreaf | I'm leaving tomorrow morning, not looking forward to three planes in a row | 08:09 |
| andreaf | ok, so in terms of action items from previous meetings | 08:09 |
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| andreaf | I had a couple of things, I both did | 08:10 |
| mtreinish | 3 planes? You're not doing lhr -> dxb -> syd? | 08:10 |
| andreaf | the patch for test.py stable is merged | 08:10 |
| andreaf | I fly from bristol through amsterdam | 08:10 |
| mtreinish | ah, ok | 08:10 |
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| masayukig | cool for test.py :) | 08:10 |
| andreaf | going to heathrow is 2h anyways | 08:11 |
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| andreaf | masayukig yay \o/ | 08:11 |
| masayukig | :) | 08:11 |
| andreaf | I used the success bot for that, it's a good achievement for the team! | 08:11 |
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| masayukig | nice | 08:12 |
| andreaf | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_Nov_2nd_2017_.280800_UTC.29 the correct agenda link | 08:12 |
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| andreaf | #topic QA onboarding | 08:13 |
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| andreaf | We have an etherpad for that https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SYD-forum-QA-onboarding | 08:13 |
| andreaf | it's happening on Monday | 08:14 |
| andreaf | but I don't think we are ready for that | 08:14 |
| andreaf | I think it would be good to meet beforehand and prepare for it | 08:15 |
| masayukig | +1 | 08:15 |
| andreaf | Monday before that I have 1:30 hands-on on tempest plugins so I won't have much time | 08:15 |
| andreaf | What about Sunday evening? | 08:15 |
| masayukig | Ah, I have a SUSE team dinner Sunday evening, actually.. | 08:16 |
| andreaf | masayukig: Sunday afternoon maybe? or Monday morning before / during keynotes | 08:17 |
| masayukig | andreaf: yeah, it might work | 08:18 |
| andreaf | ok let's say Monday morning early I'll ping you on Sunday | 08:19 |
| andreaf | and gmann_afk and oomichi | 08:19 |
| masayukig | thanks, Monday morning is better than Sunday for me. | 08:20 |
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| andreaf | btw at 1:30 I have my hands-on workshop if you want to join https://github.com/afrittoli/cross_service_tempest_plugins | 08:21 |
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| andreaf | wznoinsk: aorund? | 08:21 |
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| masayukig | I'll join it :) | 08:21 |
| andreaf | masayukig: thanks! | 08:22 |
| andreaf | there was a note from wznoinsk on the agenda | 08:22 |
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| andreaf | it's about RH specific changes - the usual issue we have with os specific commands | 08:23 |
| andreaf | I had a plan long time ago to address that but it never happened | 08:23 |
| andreaf | ok I'll switch to reviews | 08:24 |
| mtreinish | yeah, we don't have a mechanism to support that kind of difference so I'd just -1 it | 08:24 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: yeah well if someone wanted to implement a mechanism for that I would not be opposed | 08:24 |
| mtreinish | right, but just unconditionally adding extra commands to it or some half baked config option is a no go | 08:25 |
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| andreaf | yeah | 08:25 |
| mtreinish | also as an aside, I have no idea what running network manager in a cloud guest actually buys you. Feels like extra complexity for no reason | 08:25 |
| andreaf | heh good point | 08:26 |
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| andreaf | I guess it's just a case of not customising the image for the cloud | 08:26 |
| andreaf | #topic Critical reviews | 08:27 |
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| mtreinish | yeah, that's the only thing I could think of too, but that would have other potential issues too with guest metadata | 08:27 |
| mtreinish | but it's not worth diving into now | 08:27 |
| andreaf | heh ok | 08:27 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: these are especially for you https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:zuulv3-tempest :P | 08:28 |
| mtreinish | bah | 08:29 |
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| andreaf | hopefully while in Sydney we can get the first series of patches merged so we can have a working Tempest job in zuulv3 - I had a few queries already about it and I would like to avoid people going and developing their own | 08:30 |
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| andreaf | well, that's all I had really - anything else ? | 08:31 |
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| mtreinish | nothing from me | 08:31 |
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| andreaf | ok thanks for joining, see you in Sydney! | 08:31 |
| andreaf | #endmeeting qa | 08:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 2 08:31:49 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-11-02-08.01.html | 08:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-11-02-08.01.txt | 08:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-11-02-08.01.log.html | 08:31 |
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| mriedem | #startmeeting nova | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 2 14:00:29 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:00 |
| efried | yeaux | 14:00 |
| mriedem | oh hello | 14:00 |
| gibi | o/ | 14:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 14:00 |
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| mriedem | i'll wait a minute | 14:01 |
| edleafe | \o | 14:01 |
| jaypipes | o/ | 14:01 |
| tssurya | o/ | 14:01 |
| mriedem | alright let's get started | 14:02 |
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| mriedem | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 14:02 |
| strigazi | o/ | 14:02 |
| mriedem | #topic release news | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release news (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:02 | |
| mriedem | #link Queens release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Queens_Release_Schedule | 14:02 |
| mriedem | #info Blueprints: 59 targeted, 48 approved, 2 complete | 14:03 |
| mriedem | i'm still working on deferring some targeted blueprints which aren't approved | 14:03 |
| mriedem | q-2 is December 7th, so a little over 4 weeks ago | 14:03 |
| mriedem | *away | 14:03 |
| mriedem | #topic bugs | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:03 | |
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| mriedem | nothing critical | 14:04 |
| mriedem | #info 12 new untriaged bugs (down 6 from last week) | 14:04 |
| mriedem | gate status is ok, | 14:04 |
| mriedem | we have one known issue, | 14:04 |
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| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/517009/ | 14:04 |
| patchbot | patch 517009 - nova - Avoid deleting allocations for instances being built | 14:04 |
| mriedem | #link known gate failure https://launchpad.net/bugs/1729371 | 14:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1729371 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "ResourceTracker races to delete instance allocations before instance is mapped to a cell" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Dan Smith (danms) | 14:04 |
| mriedem | so dan's fix seems sound, except i'm seeing the warning in there show up way too much in a few jobs, and i haven't sorted out why that is yet | 14:05 |
| mriedem | since we shouldn't hit this often | 14:05 |
| mriedem | dan is either flying to or in sydney now, but likely half asleep and not looking at this until post-summit, so if other people can help debug it would be helpful | 14:06 |
| mriedem | ping me in -nova if you have questions | 14:06 |
| mriedem | there is no news for 3rd party ci | 14:06 |
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| mriedem | #topic reminders | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reminders (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:06 | |
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| mriedem | Work on Forum session discussion etherpads and presentations. https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum/Sydney2017 | 14:06 |
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| mriedem | anyone giving presentations should hopefully have those sorted out by now :) | 14:07 |
| mriedem | but for the forum sessions we're still filling in agendas into the etherpads | 14:07 |
| mriedem | #topic stable branch status | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "stable branch status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:07 | |
| mriedem | #link stable/pike: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/pike,n,z | 14:07 |
| mriedem | #link Etherpad for bugs tracked for Pike backports: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-pike-bug-fix-backports | 14:07 |
| mriedem | i wanted to point out this series | 14:08 |
| mriedem | #help review backports https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bug/1702454+status:open | 14:08 |
| mriedem | that's needed to fix a broken API change since newton, | 14:08 |
| evrardjp | oh | 14:08 |
| mriedem | where we added the ability to specify a host during evacuate | 14:08 |
| mriedem | because of the request spec stuff there, that never actually worked | 14:08 |
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| mriedem | nor in ocata | 14:08 |
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| mriedem | so i'd like to get that stuff fixed before we actually EOL the newton branch | 14:09 |
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| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: ^ as stable core | 14:09 |
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| evrardjp | mriedem: will you talk about EOL branch in the next point of this stable topic? | 14:09 |
| * johnthetubaguy makes a note to take a look | 14:09 | |
| mriedem | #link stable/ocata: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/ocata,n,z | 14:10 |
| mriedem | #link stable/newton: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/newton,n,z | 14:10 |
| mriedem | #info newton 14.0.9 released | 14:10 |
| mriedem | so newton was supposed to be eol like 2 weeks ago | 14:10 |
| mriedem | but we've had a few high severity fixes holding that up | 14:10 |
| mriedem | and tonyb has been kind enough to oblige me | 14:10 |
| evrardjp | :) | 14:10 |
| mriedem | so newton-eol for nova won't happen until sometime after the summit | 14:11 |
| evrardjp | Do we have en ETA? | 14:11 |
| evrardjp | ok | 14:11 |
| evrardjp | thanks for the info. | 14:11 |
| mriedem | evrardjp: if i had to guess, i'd guess final newton release on 11/16 and then EOL the following monday | 14:11 |
| mriedem | so 11/20 | 14:11 |
| mriedem | note that neutron has already EOL'ed it's newton branch, so we are no longer running grenade jobs on ocata changes | 14:12 |
| mriedem | ok moving on | 14:12 |
| mriedem | #topic subteam highlights | 14:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "subteam highlights (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:12 | |
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| mriedem | there was no cellsv2 meeting last week | 14:12 |
| mriedem | *yesterday :) | 14:12 |
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| mriedem | edleafe: scheduler stuff? | 14:12 |
| edleafe | All patch series moving forward. | 14:12 |
| edleafe | Lots of bets being made on the race for the next microversion. | 14:12 |
| edleafe | Most people getting ready for Sydney (sorry, jaypipes and efried!) | 14:12 |
| edleafe | That's all, mate. | 14:12 |
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| mriedem | speaking of scheduler, let's get this IndexError fix in soonish https://review.openstack.org/#/c/517134/ | 14:13 |
| patchbot | patch 517134 - nova - Fix return type in FilterScheduler._legacy_find_hosts | 14:13 |
| edleafe | There's also a few limits issues I'm fixing | 14:13 |
| mriedem | edleafe: in your alternate hosts series or separate? | 14:14 |
| edleafe | Claims expects a dict, and is getting a SchedulerLimits object instead | 14:14 |
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| edleafe | Yeah - the result of switching to SchedulerLimits in the Selection object | 14:14 |
| mriedem | ok yeah, that's because we pass the host_state.limits dict to build_and_run_instance | 14:14 |
| mriedem | which goes to the claim | 14:14 |
| edleafe | yep | 14:14 |
| mriedem | well, today anyway | 14:14 |
| edleafe | turned up in some functional tests | 14:14 |
| mriedem | plus the other 5 things that send limits down too | 14:15 |
| mriedem | alright | 14:15 |
| mriedem | alex_xu: api meeting highlights? | 14:15 |
| mriedem | maybe not around | 14:15 |
| mriedem | i know gmann_afk is pushing patches to remove more extension code and deprecated api extension policies | 14:15 |
| mriedem | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/api-extensions-policy-removal | 14:16 |
| mriedem | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/api-extensions-merge-queens | 14:16 |
| mriedem | gibi: notifications highlights? | 14:16 |
| gibi | yepp | 14:16 |
| gibi | We agreed not to implement obj_make_compatible on versioned notifications payload ovos as we are not supporting backporting such ovos today. As a result the only exiting obj_make_compatible method on payload classes has been deleted. | 14:16 |
| gibi | Also agreed to start a reno listing the already merged versioned notifications in Queens. I will propose t | 14:16 |
| gibi | he patch this week | 14:16 |
| gibi | The work to deduplicate notification samples revealed a need to enhance the FakeDriver used in the functional test to generate better samples. Fortunately mriedem already working on that enhancement for another reson. | 14:17 |
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| gibi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:refactor-notification-samples | 14:17 |
| gibi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509935/ | 14:17 |
| patchbot | patch 509935 - nova - Implement power_off/power_on for the FakeDriver | 14:17 |
| gibi | these all the highlights | 14:17 |
| mriedem | thanks | 14:17 |
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| mriedem | as for cinder, we're waiting on this new microversion https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509005/ but looks like that probably won't be updated until after the summit, | 14:18 |
| patchbot | patch 509005 - cinder - Add shared_targets and backend_id to volumes | 14:18 |
| mriedem | plus i found a problem in the new attach volume flow proposed in nova such that you can attach the same volume to the same instance w/o any errors | 14:18 |
| mriedem | which is definitely a behavior change | 14:18 |
| mriedem | we talked about a few options for fixing that last week, | 14:18 |
| mriedem | i'm not sure we have a definite agreement yet, probably something we'll discuss at the multiattach session at the summit | 14:19 |
| mriedem | we might just end up checking for that scenario using BDMs on the nova side | 14:19 |
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| mriedem | which is racey since we don't have a unique constraint on the BDMs table | 14:19 |
| mriedem | i would like to add ^ but it'd be a potential upgrade issue | 14:20 |
| mriedem | #topic stuck reviews | 14:20 |
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| mriedem | there was nothing on the agenda | 14:20 |
| mriedem | anything someone wants to bring up here? | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: FWIW, its because the live-migration attach change in the Cinder API was done wrongly | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | (well different to the spec) | 14:20 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: i thought they were checking on host too, but would have to rehash the details | 14:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: +1 | 14:21 |
| mriedem | #topic open discussion | 14:21 |
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| mriedem | nothing on the agenda | 14:21 |
| mriedem | so the floor is open | 14:21 |
| efried | This isn't really stuck yet, but wouldn't mind more opinions: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-nova/%23openstack-nova.2017-11-01.log.html#t2017-11-01T14:25:13 | 14:21 |
| efried | TL;DR: is it okay to have identical or very similar class definitions on either side of the placement API boundary, or should we figure out a common place to house them? | 14:22 |
| mriedem | sure, either way | 14:22 |
| mriedem | this doesn't lock us into api behavior, | 14:23 |
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| mriedem | it's all easily changed later | 14:23 |
| mriedem | so pick one and go withit | 14:23 |
| jaypipes | efried: after thinking on this closely, I'd prefer to have a shared file for the RequestGroup object definition, make it plain-old-data and no @classmethod stuff, and put different parse functions in nova/scheduler and nova/api/opensyack/placement | 14:23 |
| mriedem | throw it in nova/common/ if you want | 14:23 |
| mriedem | nova/common/placement.py | 14:23 |
| mriedem | or something, whatever :) | 14:24 |
| mriedem | nova/scheduler/placement.py | 14:24 |
| mriedem | nova/scheduler/utils.py could have a parse method | 14:24 |
| mriedem | any other open discussion? | 14:24 |
| efried | Rather house it in a placement path, cause if/when we split out placement, I want the common def to go with it. | 14:24 |
| edleafe | efried: +1 | 14:24 |
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| edleafe | but not "if/when" - "when" | 14:25 |
| edleafe | :) | 14:25 |
| efried | ++ | 14:25 |
| mriedem | either way, this isn't going to be the thing that makes splitting it out complicated | 14:25 |
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| edleafe | true, but the longer we wait, and the more stuff we add, the worse it will be | 14:25 |
| efried | ++ | 14:25 |
| mriedem | #info reminder that there is no nova meeting next week due to the summit | 14:26 |
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| mriedem | alright thanks everyone, see some of you next week | 14:26 |
| mriedem | #endmeeting | 14:26 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 2 14:26:28 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:26 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-11-02-14.00.html | 14:26 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-11-02-14.00.txt | 14:26 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-11-02-14.00.log.html | 14:26 |
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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 2 22:00:47 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 22:00 |
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| yamamoto | hi | 22:01 |
| mlavalle | hey | 22:01 |
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| mlavalle | armax, ihrachys: ping | 22:02 |
| ihrachys | o/ | 22:02 |
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| mlavalle | amotoki pinged earlier today. he won't attend today's meeting | 22:03 |
| mlavalle | yamamoto, ihrachys: next week armax, amotoki, and me will be most likely travelling back from Sydney | 22:04 |
| mlavalle | so maybe we should skip next week's meeting | 22:04 |
| mlavalle | I know I will be in an airplane | 22:04 |
| ihrachys | of course we should | 22:04 |
| mlavalle | ok | 22:05 |
| mlavalle | This is the list of RFEs that we have to discuss today: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=Triaged&field.tag=rfe | 22:05 |
| mlavalle | The top three have questions to submitters or action items | 22:06 |
| mlavalle | So we can start here today: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1705536 | 22:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1705536 in neutron "[RFE] L3-agent agent-mode dvr bridge." [Wishlist,Triaged] | 22:06 |
| mlavalle | POC code is here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/472289/ | 22:07 |
| patchbot | patch 472289 - neutron - [POC] Introduction of OpenFlow implementation of DVR. | 22:07 |
| ihrachys | really?.. | 22:08 |
| ihrachys | though I remember some were keen in past meetings to allow yet-another-mode. sigh. | 22:09 |
| ihrachys | I am not going to touch this with a long stick | 22:09 |
| mlavalle | would you share your concerns ihrachys? | 22:10 |
| ihrachys | destabilization of the code base while the team is shrinked and stretched would be the main one | 22:11 |
| ihrachys | I don't think we made any progress lately making dvr-ha default and voting in gate | 22:12 |
| ihrachys | and even more code churn, I am sure, won't help | 22:12 |
| ihrachys | that's all I have | 22:13 |
| mlavalle | if DVR jobs were stable, would you think we could consider it in the future? | 22:13 |
| * mlavalle agrees with the stability concern | 22:14 | |
| haleyb | too bad we don't have experimental, since a lot of the code is separate | 22:14 |
| ihrachys | haleyb, right. I've heard that per-pike :p | 22:15 |
| ihrachys | *pre | 22:15 |
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| ihrachys | about another change, also introducing a bunch of new modes | 22:15 |
| haleyb | i have been fighting fires in the l3-agent, and yes, a new mode could be trouble | 22:16 |
| ihrachys | mlavalle, I think yes, but it's far from happening | 22:16 |
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| yamamoto | i'm not sure if i understand the motivation. ie. how it would be better than the existing options like dragonflow. | 22:16 |
| mlavalle | ihrachys: I am trying to come up with the correct feedback for the RFE. Is this something we won't consider now until we have proven to ourselvers DVR is stable and controllable? | 22:17 |
| mlavalle | or this just something we don't want to do | 22:17 |
| mlavalle | yamamoto: the way I understand it is that this would be a flows based router integrated in DVR | 22:18 |
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| ihrachys | ignoring complexity and missing test scenario coverage, it's a good idea. if we tackle all that, sure we can revisit. but is it a good idea to give someone hope if we let's say believe that it won't happen in next cycle(s)? | 22:19 |
| mlavalle | I agree | 22:20 |
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| ihrachys | yamamoto, they probably don't want to use 3party components | 22:20 |
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| yamamoto | the famous "not invented here"? | 22:21 |
| ihrachys | there is marginal value for a consumer in having something in tree, but it doesn't justify yet another cycle of fighting uphill with dvr gate jobs | 22:21 |
| haleyb | can we get some of the base code in place, is that a stretch? | 22:21 |
| ihrachys | haleyb, base code? | 22:21 |
| mlavalle | what do you mean? | 22:22 |
| haleyb | ihrachys: some of the changes, like the router_info_base stuff, isn't invasive, i'm just thinking out loud | 22:22 |
| ihrachys | I haven't checked patches. the base code changes are beneficial for what exactly? | 22:23 |
| ihrachys | btw the bug doesn't mention any patches | 22:23 |
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| haleyb | ihrachys: not exactly beneficial, but if we want it exactly it makes for less work to keep carrying separate | 22:24 |
| haleyb | s/exactly/eventually | 22:25 |
| ihrachys | we would need to see code | 22:26 |
| mlavalle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/472289/ | 22:26 |
| patchbot | patch 472289 - neutron - [POC] Introduction of OpenFlow implementation of DVR. | 22:26 |
| mlavalle | I'll add it to the bug | 22:27 |
| mlavalle | done | 22:27 |
| mlavalle | So I agree in not approving this | 22:27 |
| ihrachys | quick look at _base module suggests it makes general sense | 22:27 |
| haleyb | there are some refactors we could do to make it easy in the future, that's all i'm saying | 22:28 |
| ihrachys | + for that | 22:28 |
| haleyb | land the rest in R1 :) | 22:29 |
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| mlavalle | Going back to what was said above | 22:29 |
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| * haleyb should have kept his mouth shut, just meant future | 22:30 | |
| mlavalle | I propose the feedback should be we are not approving this given the instability in DVR jobs | 22:30 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: right, we need to get jobs stablized and voting | 22:30 |
| mlavalle | and that we might consider it the future after we show a period of stability in DVR | 22:31 |
| ihrachys | and we accept blood donations to make it happen | 22:31 |
| mlavalle | yamamoto: thoughts? | 22:31 |
| yamamoto | i guess the submitter should show us clear reasons why it should be done. | 22:32 |
| mlavalle | ok, we can incorporate that in the feedback | 22:33 |
| yamamoto | eg. why the existing options are not suitable. | 22:33 |
| * haleyb has to step out | 22:33 | |
| haleyb | yamamoto: this gets us better performance for one, that's why i'd do it | 22:33 |
| mlavalle | moving on | 22:34 |
| mlavalle | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1705719 | 22:34 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1705719 in neutron "[RFE] QinQ network driver" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Trevor McCasland (twm2016) | 22:34 |
| mlavalle | Again there is a series of patchses that start here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/482307 | 22:36 |
| patchbot | patch 482307 - neutron - Add QinQ model and object | 22:36 |
| ihrachys | that's fine, just a new type driver, and I've heard requests from field people about having it in neutron | 22:38 |
| ihrachys | there is some refactoring to do in type_vlan but that is not a scary place in the tree and extensively validated | 22:39 |
| mlavalle | that's probably this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/458531 | 22:40 |
| patchbot | patch 458531 - neutron - Refactor type_vlan for QinQ compatibility | 22:40 |
| yamamoto | i have a trouble to understand how a tenant network would be associated to a set of tags. | 22:40 |
| ihrachys | right. there was also a 'OVO' piece | 22:40 |
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| mlavalle | The ovo piece: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/483020 | 22:41 |
| patchbot | patch 483020 - neutron - Integrate OVO in helpers | 22:41 |
| ihrachys | yamamoto, for what I understood, it will just be allocated dynamically on top of s_tag? | 22:41 |
| ihrachys | so s_tag is fixed and c_tag is picked by neutron/admin | 22:41 |
| ihrachys | then driver builds frames with both | 22:41 |
| mlavalle | that's my understanding, especially after last comment from Trevor | 22:43 |
| yamamoto | he said that a physnet can have multiple s_tags. it made me confused. | 22:44 |
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| ihrachys | "entry for every physnet and s_tag the user wishes to use."? | 22:45 |
| ihrachys | I read it as there will be a physnet per s_tag | 22:45 |
| ihrachys | physnet1:1:1:1000,physnet2:2:1:1000 | 22:46 |
| yamamoto | "A physical network can have many s_tags" | 22:46 |
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| mlavalle | so let's get this clarified | 22:47 |
| ihrachys | probably terms conflated - once talking about a NIC another time about neutron physnet abstractions | 22:47 |
| ihrachys | + to clarify | 22:47 |
| mlavalle | I will leave a message in the RFE | 22:48 |
| mlavalle | Moving on | 22:49 |
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| mlavalle | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1705755 | 22:49 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1705755 in neutron "[RFE] Plugin support for API resource attribute extensions" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 22:49 |
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| mlavalle | I guess here really the next step is a conversation with the OSC team, right? | 22:50 |
| yamamoto | what we want to provide is already clear? | 22:52 |
| ihrachys | right. someone should pull an answer from OSC folks | 22:53 |
| yamamoto | if it's ok to add everything to osc? | 22:54 |
| ihrachys | yes | 22:55 |
| mlavalle | yamamoto: I'm curious if this is not an issue from Midonet perspective | 22:55 |
| mlavalle | midonet is mentioned in the bug | 22:55 |
| yamamoto | does "everything" include the infamous extra argument? | 22:56 |
| ihrachys | which arg? | 22:56 |
| yamamoto | mlavalle: where? i haven't noticed | 22:57 |
| mlavalle | yamamoto: it's not, I got confused | 22:58 |
| yamamoto | ihrachys: i meant this https://docs.openstack.org/python-neutronclient/latest/cli/neutron.html#cli-extra-arguments | 22:58 |
| yamamoto | mlavalle: midonet has some extensions which can't be done via osc, so it's surely affected. | 22:59 |
| ihrachys | oh. I don't think it was a plan for OSC to allow random payload. I remember we had it causing lots of issues in neutronclient where the extra handler behaved differently for booleans than legit args | 22:59 |
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| ihrachys | I don't think the focus of the RFE should be about random payload. instead to establish rules on how neutron apis are added, and which of them are allowed. | 23:00 |
| ihrachys | btw time! | 23:00 |
| mlavalle | yamamoto: if you have a chance, would you leave some feedback on how this could be solved from your perspective? | 23:01 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 23:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 2 23:01:16 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-11-02-22.00.html | 23:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-11-02-22.00.txt | 23:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-11-02-22.00.log.html | 23:01 |
| mlavalle | Thanks for attending | 23:01 |
| mlavalle | talk to you in two weeks | 23:01 |
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