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tpatil /msg tpatil identify03:57
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samP#startmeeting masakari04:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Mar  6 04:00:03 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is samP. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.04:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.04:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'masakari'04:00
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samPHi all for masakari04:00
samPGlad you all came back safely04:01
samPfrom PTG04:01
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samP#topic High priority items04:01
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samPAbout Release04:01
samPall 3 projects has been released04:02
samPcurrently, python masakari client does not have stable/queens branch04:02
tpatilOnce the masakari-monitors patch is merged, you will need to release it's new version, correct?04:03
samPThe reason is in comment of following patch04:03
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samP#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/547502/04:03
samPtpatil: correct04:04
tpatil#link : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/546492/1004:04
tpatilsamP: Ok, Is there any problem in cutting stable/queens branch for python-masakariclient?04:04
samPtpatil: waited for release. Currently no blockers. I will create it today04:06
tpatilsamP: OK04:06
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tpatilSo only masakari-monitors patch is pending for review against Queens release04:08
samPAnd fix masakari command for python-masakariclient04:09
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samPrkmrHonjo: ^^ correct?04:09
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tpatilsamP: yes, I remember, that create_connection method issue04:10
samPtpatil: yes.04:10
rkmrHonjosamP: Correct.04:10
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rkmrHonjoThis patch fixes masakari command. #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/547879/04:11
samPI think we need to fix those 2 problems and release a new version for both pyclient and monitors04:11
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samPrkmrHonjo: correct04:11
samPPlease do not merge this patch before create stable/queens for python-masakariclient04:13
tpatilsamP: point noted04:13
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samPI will submit required patches for create stable/queens today.04:14
rkmrHonjosamP: I got it.04:14
samPFor openstack/masakari and masakari-monitors, now we can work master for R04:15
samPFor openstack/python-masakariclient, please wait for stable/queens branch04:16
samP#topic Rocky work items04:16
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samPI would like to take some time to discuss about Rocky work items.04:17
samPFirst, I will create a etherpad for Rocky, and fill it with existing items04:18
samPPlease propose any new items to etherpad before next IRC meeting on 11/3/201804:19
tpatilsamP: Sure04:19
rkmrHonjosamP: OK.04:21
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tpatilIn PTG, I met Greg, Abhishek and Adam along with NTT folks04:21
samP#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/masakari-rocky-work-items04:21
samP^^ here is the etherpad04:21
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samPtpatil: thanks04:22
tpatilGreg is looking forward to get his team's patch merged in Rocky about Intrusive monitoring04:22
samPtpatil: any update from them. Really sorry that I wan not able to be there04:22
tpatilsamP: Not yet04:22
samPtpatil: got it.04:22
tpatilAlso, if someone is available we can start work on nova-host-alerter04:23
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samPrkmrHonjo: Any progress on your side of this work?04:24
samPrkmrHonjo: nova-host-alerter04:24
tpatilI think you are familiar with this openstack resource agents and this new agent will be part of it04:24
samPtpatil: yes. if I remember correctly, rkmrHonjo was stared to work on this.04:25
tpatil#link : https://aspiers.github.io/openstack-day-israel-2017-compute-ha/#/no-fence_evacuate04:26
rkmrHonjoPlease wait..04:26
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samPrkmrHonjo's team was creating a PoC for this. OCF-RA and masakari plugin04:27
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rkmrHonjoExcuse me, does nova-host-alerter means monitor implemented as RA?04:28
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tpatilrkmrHonjo: That's correct04:28
samPrkmrHonjo: monitor implement as RA04:28
rkmrHonjoAh, OK. I'm preparing to submit PoC. Sorry for late. I'll submit it in next week.04:29
samPrkmrHonjo: thanks.04:30
samPI will put this item to Rocky work items.04:30
samPThis is bit heavy task. rkmrHonjo: might better to split the tasks.04:31
samPLet's discuss this on Rocky work item discussion.04:31
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samPFor Rocky work item discussion, which method you prefer, IRC or VoIP?04:32
samPVoIP also have chat, VoIP=Zoom04:32
tpatilsamP: Once nova-host-alerter is available, what is the plan for masakari-monitor?04:33
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samPtpatil: we have 2 options,04:34
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samP(1) retire hostmonitor part from masakari-monitors in favour of nova-host-alerter04:34
samP(2) keep both, since current masakari-monitors doing it different manner04:35
samPIn future, process monitor could also implement as same architecture with nova-host-alerter04:36
samPHowever, not the instance monitor.04:36
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tpatilsamP: Ok, process monitor is doing nothing as of now. Do we really want it?04:37
samPsince we have new requirements coming in for instance monitor, we do have to maintain it04:38
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tpatilsamP: Ok I got it.04:38
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samPtpatil: about process monitor, agree with current situation. However, it is still valid as a reference driver for process monitoring04:39
samPIn VMHA04:39
samPIn VMHA usecase, process monitoring is one of the requirement, along with host and instance monitoring.04:40
tpatilsamP: Let's come up with some use case and take some recovery action against process notifcations other than simply logging it04:41
samPOur, current process monitor do not do much at the time. But in future, if we can cutormize the recovery action, then we might able to use it in much efficient way04:41
samPtpatil: totally agree.04:42
tpatilsamP: Recovery customization is next big item for Rocky, we have completed the POC. We can talk about it in next meeting04:42
samPtpatil: great work. thanks04:43
rkmrHonjotpatil: great.04:43
samPtpatil: let's look into details in next meeting04:43
tpatilsamP: Sure04:44
rkmrHonjoSorry, I leave this meeting at 13:55.04:44
rkmrHonjo13:55 JST04:44
samPAbout, "Rocky work items" I will send a mail for details about the discussion.04:45
samPrkmrHonjo: NP04:45
samP#topic Masakari Project mascot04:46
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samPAny new ideas?04:46
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samPPlease propose if you have any ideas. I would like to decide some thing in next meeting..:)04:47
rkmrHonjoOK. When is the time limit_04:48
sagarasamP: OK, I'm also still considering04:48
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samPrkmrHonjo: before 3/1104:48
samPrkmrHonjo: next meeting04:48
rkmrHonjooh. I got it.04:49
samP#topic AOB04:49
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rkmrHonjopy35 of masakari was failed by date time format error. #link04:50
rkmrHonjo#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/545545/04:50
samPSkipped the Bug/Patch part, cause we have already discussed above about important issues.04:50
samPPlease share, other than that..04:50
rkmrHonjoOh, sorry.04:51
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samPrkmrHonjo: sorry, not about one posted04:51
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samPrkmrHonjo: your issue is valid04:52
rkmrHonjosamP: ok. Does anyone analyze this py35 error? If "no", I analyze it.04:53
tpatilrkmrHonjo: Please report it as a bug and someone will take up this issue04:53
rkmrHonjotpatil: ok.04:53
samPtpatil: rkmrHonjo: thanks/04:54
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samPseems like datetime format error,04:55
samPAnyway, will follow the Bug report.04:55
samPLast 5 mins, any other issues to discuss?04:56
tpatilmaybe some Oslo_utils related changes is causing this problem04:56
samPBTW, NTT system-fault-ci masakari-integration-ci is down for maintenance04:57
samPI will be at OpenStack Ops meetup on 3/7-804:57
samP#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Operations/Meetups/TYO-ops-meetup04:58
samPalmost time..04:58
samPThank you all...04:58
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samPPlease use #openstack-masakari @freenode IRC or openstack-dev ML with [masakari] for further discussion04:59
sagaraThank you, bye04:59
samPThanks you again... bye04:59
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chenying#startmeeting karbor09:42
openstackMeeting started Tue Mar  6 09:42:44 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is chenying. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.09:42
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.09:42
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'karbor'09:42
chenyinghi jiaopengju09:42
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jiaopengjuhi chenying09:43
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chenyingNow the queen of karbor has been released. Now we can start the rocky version of the karbor project.09:44
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chenyingI have created a link for rocky karbor project.09:45
jiaopengjuThat’s good09:45
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chenyingif we have any task of feature which want to introduce to karbor, we can add it to this link.09:46
chenyingDo you have any idea about the rocky version of karbor?09:46
jiaopengjuok, imo, multi node trigger schedule should be enhanced09:47
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chenyingthe goal for rocky also need be considered.09:48
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chenyingWe can add it to this link.09:49
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chenyingDo you have any other questions?09:51
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jiaopengjuI will add my ideas to thie rocky link in few days09:52
chenyingGood idea.09:52
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jiaopengjuWe should attract more contributors :)09:53
chenyingyes. We can add it to the link.09:54
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chenyingSo we can end this meeting. If you have any question, we can discuss it in karbor's irc meeting?09:56
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ihrachys#startmeeting neutron_ci16:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Mar  6 16:01:40 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ci'16:01
ihrachyshi to everyone who have escaped snowpenstack, or who was lucky enough to not go :p16:02
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ihrachys#topic Actions from prev meeting16:02
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ihrachys"ihrachys to update grafana periodic board with new names"16:03
ihrachysmerged https://review.openstack.org/54766116:03
ihrachys"report test_get_service_by_service_and_host_name failure in periodic -pg- job"16:03
ihrachysouch that one was on me but I forgot to put my name on it and missed16:03
ihrachysmeh, it's already quite old and we will check status of the job later anyway and figure out what to do with it16:04
ihrachys"mlavalle to look into linuxbridge ssh timeout failures"16:04
slaweqI was looking on that one16:04
mlavalleihrachys: I think we gave that one to slaweq16:04
slaweqso I was debugging it for a while and I couldn't reproduce it locally16:05
slaweqso finally I pushed some DNM patches to be able to telnet to remote_pdb when test will fail16:05
slaweqthis didn't give me anything also16:05
slaweqso I talked with infra team to add my ssh key to such node where this tests failed16:06
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slaweqand I checked there that all is working fine when I logged in16:06
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ihrachysand you check in European hours I assume. maybe it's genuine cloud load and slow instance boot?16:07
slaweqso I tried one (stupid) simple thing: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/549324/16:07
slaweqihrachys: no, tests on gate was failing many time16:07
slaweq*many times16:07
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slaweqafter all it looks for me that it is just problem with too long time for instance boot16:08
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ihrachysin linuxbridge job, it's a single node doing all things, tempest, controller, compute...16:09
ihrachysin dvr one, compute is separate16:09
slaweqwhen I proposed patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/549324/ I run gate jobs twice on it and in both cases lb scenario tests catched my additional log16:09
slaweqihrachys: exactly - I then found that lb is single node and dvr is multinode config16:09
slaweqI couldn't find anything else wrong with it :/16:09
slaweqok, I'm done now :)16:10
ihrachysslaweq, when it hits the message, does it recover quickly after that or still takes some time?16:10
slaweqlet me check as I don't remember exactly16:10
slaweqhere is example of such log16:11
slaweqit looks that it took about 1 minute more to connect16:12
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ihrachysyeah. and what about the other one? is it also aligned to 1 minute?16:12
ihrachysno, seems like there it took 50 seconds16:13
ihrachysso yeah, it looks just like slow instance spawning16:14
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slaweqit's not exactly same time for all16:14
slaweqit looks like that for me16:14
ihrachysafair we don't have nested virt enabled in gate16:14
ihrachysafair it was a major issue for octavia scenarios where they needed to start amphora instance per balancer16:15
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slaweqyes, there was an issue but AFAIR problem was with nested virtualization was only in OVH cloud16:15
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ihrachysslaweq, it would probably be interesting to see how long it usually takes in dvr runs16:16
ihrachysto compare. is it also close to the limit?16:16
slaweqone thing which I also found is that it takes really long time to boot an instance in such failed case16:17
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slaweqe.g.: http://logs.openstack.org/71/548071/5/check/neutron-tempest-plugin-scenario-linuxbridge/d792a4a/job-output.txt.gz#_2018-03-02_17_02_34_20067116:17
slaweqfrom instance logs it looks that it is ready after more than 400 seconds16:17
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slaweqand it was similar in other cases which I checked16:17
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slaweqihrachys: I can check such logs in dvr scenario to compare it16:17
ihrachysslaweq, do I interpret it correctly that it stayed in raising interfaces stage for 3min 42s / 8min 25s ?16:19
ihrachys"Starting Raise network interfaces"16:19
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ihrachyshere http://logs.openstack.org/71/548071/5/check/neutron-tempest-plugin-scenario-linuxbridge/d792a4a/job-output.txt.gz#_2018-03-02_17_02_34_16802516:20
slaweqI don't know exactly16:20
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ihrachyswell it looks like it. in this case, it may be something on our side that blocks the interface up.16:20
ihrachysmaybe dhcp not replying or smth16:20
ihrachysthough eventually it succeeds16:21
slaweqbut please note that first entry is 2min 52s/ 7 min 47s16:21
ihrachysyeah but maybe that's when it starts to log16:21
ihrachysmy interpretation is that - 'the job took long time already, let's start log about it being still in progress'16:22
slaweqbut please check http://logs.openstack.org/71/548071/5/check/neutron-tempest-plugin-scenario-linuxbridge/d792a4a/job-output.txt.gz#_2018-03-02_17_02_34_16261516:22
slaweqit took 166 seconds even here, before this "raise network interface"16:22
ihrachysyeah but I mean, those 3min+ can be decisive for failure16:23
ihrachysthe limit is what, 5 minutes?16:23
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slaweqsomething like that,16:23
ihrachysmaybe it doesn't sit there for too long in dvr job16:23
slaweqI will check also dhcp logs for it16:23
ihrachys'just' 166 seconds or so16:23
slaweqplease add me action for that for next week :)16:24
ihrachys#action slaweq to check why it takes too long to raise interfaces in linuxbirdge scenarios job, and to compare with dvr16:24
ihrachys"ihrachys to update grafana boards to include master data only"16:25
ihrachysso I actually looked into it, and I believe it's my misunderstanding16:25
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ihrachysthe board explicitly pulls data from .master. queries16:25
ihrachysso there is no issue with mixed data16:26
ihrachys#topic Grafana16:26
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ihrachysthe prev time we decided to give functional and other newly stable jobs some time till next meeting and see what proves itself with time and maybe consider some for voting / gating16:27
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jlibosvafunctional is not voting?16:28
ihrachyslooking at functional / fullstack / api board, it's not clear we can deduce much from it16:28
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ihrachysjlibosva, I believe it's not gating16:28
ihrachysI mean, it's in check queue but not gate queue16:28
jlibosvais it some recent change?16:28
ihrachyseh. now you make me sanity check :)16:28
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jlibosvaoh, probably it's just not shown in grafana16:29
ihrachysoh actually nevermind, it's voting / gating16:29
jlibosvaI thought for a second something happened and it was pulled back from gate Q :)16:29
jlibosvasorry for disturbance16:29
ihrachys:) yeah I am bad at tracking the real world16:29
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ihrachysso as for fullstack, I see spikes in the last week but those seem to repeat what -api- job does16:30
ihrachyscurrently at ~25% failure rate16:30
ihrachyswe even have unit tests at 20%16:31
ihrachysnot sure what happened during the last week16:31
ihrachysbut anyway, we'll take a look at fullstack separately16:32
ihrachysscenarios are doing bad too, 50% for both16:32
slaweqfor linuxbridge it's still same issue as we already talked today16:32
ihrachysslaweq, yeah but now failure rate reflected back in dvr. it was rather stable the last time we gathered.16:33
slaweqI see16:33
ihrachysbut yeah, not clear how much of the rate is because of gate breakage that brought all jobs to 100% failure rate two days ago16:33
ihrachysmaybe we should revisit it again later to get a better picture16:34
ihrachys#action ihrachys to check grafana stats several days later when dust settles16:34
ihrachysone thing that is new on the board is it seems that rally job is totally busted16:34
slaweqyes, but there is issue for that already reported I think16:35
jlibosvait's gonna be fixed soon16:35
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1753713 in Rally "Rally job on neutron CI broken" [Critical,Fix released] - Assigned to Andrey Kurilin (andreykurilin)16:35
jlibosvafix: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/549627/16:35
ihrachysfix merged16:35
ihrachysso we should be back to normal16:35
jlibosvaoh, it merged :)16:35
ihrachysthey don't need to release right?16:36
jlibosva6 minutes ago, nice :)16:36
ihrachysit's from git16:36
jlibosvathat I don't know16:36
ihrachysyeah it's from master: http://logs.openstack.org/22/549822/4/check/neutron-rally-neutron/1ef49e4/logs/devstacklog.txt.gz#_2018-03-06_11_18_33_77416:37
* jlibosva nods16:37
ihrachysperiodics are stable so that's good too16:37
ihrachysok, now to specific jobs16:38
ihrachys#topic Fullstack16:38
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ihrachysslaweq, any patches in your pipeline for fullstack?16:38
slaweqI wasn't doing anything with fullstack in last days16:38
ihrachysehm, I have a question16:39
ihrachysI was looking at a random patch16:39
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ihrachyslooking for fullstack results16:39
ihrachysand I don't see any16:39
ihrachysis it just me16:39
jlibosvait's from january16:39
slaweqI don't see fullstack there also16:40
ihrachysah right. and there's:16:40
ihrachysneutron-fullstack finger://ze03.openstack.org/db42044c8be14621bd79843789dac0c8 : POST_FAILURE in 43m 40s (non-voting)16:40
jlibosvatoday I saw fullstack results16:40
ihrachysin comments16:40
ihrachysok nevermind16:40
ihrachysok here's another one that is fresh16:41
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slaweqlooks like some problem with starting agents/processes16:41
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ihrachysyeah I checked test_ha_router and neutron-server + 4 agents (2 dhcp and 2 ovs) are up. shouldn't there be also l3?16:42
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jlibosvathere should16:43
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ihrachyshere is where it failed to start agnet: http://logs.openstack.org/83/549283/1/check/neutron-fullstack/cbad08a/logs/dsvm-fullstack-logs/TestHAL3Agent.test_ha_router.txt.gz#_2018-03-06_08_20_19_23516:43
jlibosvaI checked logs now and Halting async process [neutron/tests/fullstack/cmd/l3_agent.py --log-dir /opt/stack/logs/dsvm-fullstack-logs/TestLinuxBridgeConnectivitySameNetwork.test_connectivity_VXLAN-and-l2pop_ --log-file neutron-l3-agent--2018-03-06--08-13-38-219990.log --config-file /tmp/tmpzpOvIu/tmpZEeIKB/neutron.conf --config-file /tmp/tmpzpOvIu/tmpZEeIKB/l3_agent.ini] in response to an error.16:43
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ihrachysright. but not many details16:44
jlibosvaI can have a look at it16:44
jlibosvaI'll try it locally16:44
ihrachysyeah. maybe first step is to understand how to collect logs in those cases.16:45
ihrachysmaybe we can somehow get the output at least until it starts logging into console16:45
ihrachyseh, sorry into the logfile16:45
slaweqI'm not sure if agent logs something to console in such case16:46
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ihrachysand another weird thing is, it fails to start the agent, but still waits for nothing for minutes and minutes. it could fail immediately maybe.16:46
slaweqeven if You spawn it locally with same command if You give --log-file then it will not log to console IMO16:46
jlibosvaI might have a patch for it somewhere in abandoned patches, to read stderr and stdout in case process was halted in response to error16:46
slaweqrecently I was checking it with some DNM patches pushed to gerrit and rechecked :)16:47
jlibosvait should still write output to async process buffers16:47
slaweqbut maybe we should have merged some better logging there16:47
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slaweqjlibosva: You're right16:47
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ihrachys#action jlibosva to look into agent startup failure and missing logs in: http://logs.openstack.org/83/549283/1/check/neutron-fullstack/cbad08a/logs/16:48
slaweqsome time ago I was checking it to fix some problem with l3 agent in fullstack tests16:48
ihrachysthere are not that many fullstack failures actually16:49
ihrachys(I am trying to find another one)16:49
slaweqbtw. there is currently only one test marked as unstable_test() in fullstack16:50
slaweqrelated to security groups16:50
slaweqso if there is no so many failures, it's good IMO :)16:50
ihrachysyeah that's good16:51
ihrachysI actually failed to find another fresh one16:51
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ihrachysso let's assume it's good. we will give it a week to prove it on chart since now it's probably distorted by gate instability16:51
ihrachys#topic Scenarios16:52
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ihrachyswe know what's happening in linuxbridge, so let's figure out what's the deal with dvr one16:52
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haleybsomeone said dvr :)16:54
ihrachys(while looking for a failure, I noticed scenarios not triggered in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/550055/)16:54
jlibosvahaleyb: you have higlighting set for dvr? :)16:54
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haleybyup, i'm just looking out of corner of eye due to other meeting16:54
ihrachysok found one failure here: http://logs.openstack.org/07/548607/1/check/legacy-tempest-dsvm-neutron-dvr-multinode-scenario/84cacc5/job-output.txt.gz#_2018-03-06_13_42_42_76753516:55
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ihrachysssh connection timeout it is16:55
ihrachysslaweq, see it took 1min 29s / 6min 22s16:55
ihrachysto raise interfaces there16:55
ihrachysstill a lot16:55
slaweqihrachys: yes, I was just looking for that :)16:56
ihrachysso maybe effectively bumping the ssh timeout for the job would fix that one too16:56
ihrachysthe instance is up for ~249.666088 until it claims full boot16:58
ihrachysit's ~4 minutes16:58
ihrachysthe timeout of 5 minutes would be enough in this case, so maybe it's something else16:58
ihrachysI guess we can revisit that one after we deal with linuxbridge. maybe the fix will be the same.16:59
mlavallefingers crossed16:59
ihrachysok we are out of time for today. thanks for joining.16:59
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jlibosvathanks, bye :)16:59
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lbragstad#startmeeting keystone18:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Mar  6 18:00:02 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is lbragstad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:00
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lbragstadping ayoung, breton, cmurphy, dstanek, gagehugo, henrynash, hrybacki, knikolla, lamt, lbragstad, lwanderley, kmalloc, rderose, rodrigods, samueldmq, spilla, aselius, dpar, jdennis, ruan_he18:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'keystone'18:00
lbragstad#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting18:00
lbragstadagenda ^18:00
lbragstadwe have a pretty light agenda today - so we'll give it a minute or two for folks to show up[18:02
lbragstadi also expect people to be recovering from travel or even still dealing with it18:02
lbragstadwe'll get started at 5 after18:03
lbragstad#topic trello board/rocky roadmap18:05
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lbragstadjust a heads up for everyone18:05
lbragstadi've spent the last few days in trello attempting to capture context from last week18:05
lbragstad#link https://trello.com/b/wmyzbFq5/keystone-rocky-roadmap18:05
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lbragstadmost of the larger initiatives should be captured accordingly18:05
lbragstadalong with some of the one-off action items18:05
lbragstadhrybacki: and i will being going through it early next week, so there might be some changes between now and next weeks meeting18:06
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lbragstadfeel free to poke around and let me know if there is anything i missed18:06
lbragstadnext week we'll focus on setting more realistic timelines and finding/updating ownership18:07
lbragstad#topic new meeting time18:07
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lbragstadper the retrospective18:07
lbragstadwe're going to move the keystone weekly meeting time18:07
lbragstadi plan to propose that change today18:07
lbragstadwhich might result in a different meeting room depending on availability18:08
lbragstadnext week we'll plan to at least have the meeting 2 hours earlier18:08
lbragstadi'll send a note to the mailing list once the change is proposed18:09
lbragstad#info no policy meeting tomorrow18:09
lbragstadjust a heads up here - but we're going to cut down on the frequency of the policy meetings on wednesday18:09
lbragstadwe *might* just call for them on an as-needed basis18:09
lbragstadbut - don't expect to have one tomorrow18:10
lbragstad#action lbragstad to propose new meeting time for keystone meeting18:10
lbragstad#action lbragstad to send note to mailing list about new meeting time18:10
lbragstad#action lbragstad to send reminder about policy meeting tomorrow18:10
lbragstadthat's about all i had18:10
lbragstad#topic open discussion18:10
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lbragstadfloor is open if anyone has comments or questions18:10
lbragstadjust FYI - it's WIP, but i plan to have a full summary of the PTG ready by the eod18:11
samueldmqlbragstad: how was the PTG overall?18:12
lbragstadi thought it went really well18:12
lbragstadimo - the big theme was integrating the stuff we did in Queens with other projects18:13
samueldmqcool. integrating is always great18:13
lbragstadand i thought we got plenty of feedback that push things forward from a cross-project perspective18:13
cmurphyo/ i'm sort of here via phone18:13
samueldmqcmurphy: tapping really fast, ahn?18:13
lbragstadis anyone else working on PTG summaries? or is there something you'd specifically like me to reference in mine?18:14
cmurphyi'm eorking on one18:15
cmurphylots of ntes to go through18:15
lbragstadcmurphy: knikolla awesome - i was hoping other would do one18:15
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lbragstadthere is so much cross project context to go through18:15
knikollayep. writing is the best way to consolidate that info in a way that flows.18:16
clarkbOne thing I was going to ask about (and maybe this is related to the meeting time change for you all) is someone mentioned lsat week tht in your retrospective certain tools (infra hosted and otherwise) have been problematic for some devs? I'd be curious to hear more about that to make sure there isn't something more infra could be doing to help there18:17
* lbragstad finds a link to the retro18:17
lbragstad#link v18:17
lbragstad#link https://trello.com/b/Vo6dRALh/keystone-queens-retrospective18:17
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cmurphydims had insights into that for huawei devs18:18
clarkbthat board is apparently not visible?18:18
lbragstadah - hrybacki is the only admin18:18
lbragstadand it's only team visible18:18
knikollashould probably make that open18:19
cmurphyirc is cmmonly blocked and there was some problrm (technical?) with responding to mailing lists18:19
lbragstad#action lbragstad to check with hrybacki on making the retro public18:20
cmurphywxy could also speak about it but hes probably asleep18:20
lbragstadcmurphy: yeah - IRC was one of the big problems18:20
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lbragstadtrello was good because apparently they have access to that18:20
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lbragstadi'm not sure what other dev tools there were18:21
clarkblbragstad: but no one else has access to trello :/18:21
cmurphyi think email was one but i dont remember if it was a technical reason or a social one18:21
lbragstadcmurphy: i think it was social - they can get access to mailing list, but they don't always feel comfortable responding18:22
lbragstadclarkb: yeah :(18:22
lbragstadcmurphy: i think it was this one - v18:22
lbragstad#link https://trello.com/c/QldE5koC/40-is-there-another-type-of-asynch-communication-method-we-can-use-to-communicate-with-apac-contributors18:22
knikollalbragstad: yes.18:23
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knikolladiscussion was both on technical and social barriers.18:23
knikollawith irc being blocked, and mailing lists being a social barrier.18:23
clarkbdid we get info on where/how irc was being blocked?18:24
knikollahow to encourage discussion with apac contributors, like etherpads wheere they can easily ++, or write a comment without committing to a full mail post.18:24
clarkb(we don't have to solve all this now, but do want to help if infra can help)18:24
knikollaclarkb: irc was blocked at work, and they don't always have computer access at home. (have to leave laptop at work)18:24
lbragstadyeah - most of the might be trying to follow discussions (in another language) on their phone18:24
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cmurphyclarkb: in general infra hosted tools like gerrit and etherpad were said to be fine18:29
clarkbgotcha. Let me know when that trello is opened up and I'll take a look at it in more detail18:29
lbragstadclarkb: ++ will do18:29
lbragstadthanks for checking in18:29
lbragstadclarkb: actually - do you know if you plan to follow up on the performance stuff we talked about last week/18:30
lbragstadwhen we were talking about perf testing and dedicated hardware with mtreinish?18:30
lbragstadi remember the discussion wrapping up with talk about an email thread?18:31
clarkbya I actually ended up briefly talking about it with mnaser at the ptg18:32
clarkbHe had some ideas on the hosting side that I hadn't considered18:32
clarkb(mostly how to orgnize that sort of thing)18:32
lbragstadoh - nice18:32
clarkblbragstad: maybe you can start a thread with some of your needs so they are written down and I can recap current infra abilities then we go get mnaser/mtreinish to chime in too18:33
mnaser^ :)18:33
lbragstadjust to openstack-dev?18:33
clarkbya I think thats fine18:33
lbragstadok - cool18:34
lbragstad#action lbragstad to write down performance testing needs in a note to the dev mailing list18:34
lbragstadanything else we want to cover today?18:35
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lbragstadcool - well thanks for coming all18:37
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lbragstadreminder office hours will be starting in about 20 minutes18:38
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clarkbhello infra19:00
clarkbanyone here for a meeting?19:00
AJaegerhello clarkb19:00
clarkb#startmeeting infra19:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Mar  6 19:01:06 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is clarkb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'infra'19:01
* hrw just in case19:01
* dmsimard adds a topic to agenda19:01
clarkb#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting19:01
clarkb#topic Announcements19:01
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clarkbThe PTG was last week. Despite being snowed in and the conference kicking us out a day early I think things went reasonably well19:02
* dmsimard added topic to agenda19:02
* mordred waves at the nice people19:03
clarkbBut keep in mind that people may still be traveling (I was traveling less than 12 hours ago still) and don't be surprised if planned discussions didn't happen becuase people were trying to find their way home or just find a guiness19:03
* tobiash waves back19:03
hrwI heard that someone got rebooked from Friday to Thursday19:03
fungiworth noting, the _conference_ didn't kick us out a day early, just the venue19:04
fungiconference went on19:04
mordredhrw: wow19:04
clarkbfungi: right19:04
dmsimarda colleague spent 2 days at the airport for nothing :(19:04
clarkbmany of us did still meet thrusday afternoon and friday, but in a far more ad hoc fashion19:04
dmsimardthe airline just kept delaying the flights before eventually cancelling them19:04
clarkbbasically all that to say expect a slower than normal resumption of dev activities19:05
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* mordred would like to thank all scandinavian people for their role in getting him away from the snowstorm19:05
clarkb#topic Quick PTG Recap19:05
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clarkb#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-rocky-ptg19:05
clarkbDespite this the Infra team did manage to get through quite a few of its PTG topics19:05
clarkbIf you are curious about how discussions went we kept notes on that etherpad19:06
fungii was less available for infra discussions than i'd hoped19:06
clarkbAlso I think the helproom days went a bit better than in denver. More communication and explicit scheduling along with zuulv3 being a reality now probably the reason for that19:06
fungi#action fungi generate rocky cycle artifact signing key19:07
mordredI wasn't in as may helproom hours as I would have otherwise liked, but I felt I was in a good position to help when I was19:07
* fungi didn't get around to going through that with ptg attendees19:07
pabelangerclarkb: agree, the extra comms we did as a team, helped a lot.19:07
clarkbIf there is anything in particular people are interested in happy to talk about that now, but I should also send a recap to the infra list and we can have proper discussion there too19:08
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clarkbok we'll take it to the mailing list then19:09
clarkb#topic Actions from last meeting19:09
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clarkb#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2018/infra.2018-02-20-19.01.txt Minutes from last meeting19:09
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clarkb#action clarkb clean up old specs19:09
clarkbI may actually finally get around to that now that the ptg is over19:09
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clarkb#topic Priority Efforts19:10
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clarkb#topic Zuul v319:10
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clarkbreally quickly before we get to the gerrit/arm/ara stuff is there anything urgent on to go over with zuul?19:11
ianwumm, it's currently in emergency file, want to talk about that?19:11
ianwzuul-web changed and it needs new puppet in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/549608/ to deploy19:12
clarkb(also I don't think zuul01 ever got rebooted to address the systemd sadness from week before ptg)19:12
fungii saw some of the discussion but didn't have time to work out the situation19:12
* mordred is working on fixing the bits that are needed for 549608 to work19:12
fungisomething about zuul-web static files again, right?19:12
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AJaegerclarkb: sorry, jumping back to PTG: Is there an update from some of the help sessions as well? I'm especially interested in the handling of jobs and  irrelevant-files19:13
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ianwyep, location moved and apache config just needs to be updated to19:13
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AJaegerclarkb: can do via email as well19:13
clarkbAJaeger: I unfortunately was not part of that discussion but definitely something we should follow up with corvus and AJaeger on19:13
pabelangerwe are at 25GB of ram, so a reboot / restart would help bring that down again (zuul)19:13
mordredthe main issue remaining is that the building/publishing of the javascript content isn't actually working (and is also broken for storyboard, fwiw)19:13
clarkbcorvus and andreaf19:13
ianwfor 549608 two things for review ... doesn't seem we need the documentroot any more?  since we have a .* redirect?19:14
clarkbmordred: even after updating the job it is still broken?19:14
andreafclarkb what's up?19:14
mordredclarkb: yes - there are a few more issues - I just found one more19:14
mordredclarkb: but we're VERY close19:14
ianwand dmsimard backups of status?  do they actually need to be exported via www?19:14
clarkbandreaf: one sec two discussions happening. We'll come back to the thing you can help with in a few19:14
dmsimardianw: I thought they needed to, but it turns out they don't19:14
dmsimardianw: see the confusion in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/536622/19:15
dmsimardianw: moving them outside of www is fine19:15
ianwok, that's good if they can just live in /var/lib/zuul/backups for admins to use, that's easy19:15
fungiyeah, we should just use them directly from the filesystem and not worry about serving copies of them through apache19:15
pabelangerI've done that a few times19:15
dmsimardI'll convert 536622 into a documentation patch to explain examples of restoring from file://19:15
fungithey only get used by tools run from the command line on the same server anyway19:15
ianwso seems like fixing all that up is in flight, so seems ok to me19:16
mordredfwiw - for everyone's edification (I'll be updating job descripts with this...)19:16
fungiif the dump script doesn't support a file:/// url or something similar today, we should just fix that and not work around it19:16
ianwi'm around all day if i can help19:16
mordredpublish-openstack-javascript-tarball is about making and publishing a source tarball19:16
mordredpublish-openstack-javascript-content is about making and publishing a bundle of the built html/javascript19:17
dmsimardfungi: I didn't know file:// could be used with the dump script so the confusion came from that19:17
fungii don't know that it can either, just suggesting it's software we wrote, we should make it support what we need rather than adding complexity in other places to work around a lack of a feature we haven't implemented19:18
dmsimardIt can, pabelanger has used it before19:18
fungiperfect. problem solved! ;)19:18
clarkbsounds like the general plan then should be something like 1) fix js publishing jobs 2) fix zuul puppet and remove zuul01 from emergency file 3) reboot zuul01 4) update queue saving tooling if necessary to use local backups ?19:18
ianwmordred: note during debugging, i ran the tools/install_javascript.sh thing on zuul01, so i guess it has yarn & npm installed now.  i ran a manual pip reinstall after that to get the setup hooks to build it19:18
ianwthen i realised the puppet needed to change, so that's when i went for the revert solution19:19
ianwi'll clean that up19:19
mordredianw: cool ...19:19
clarkbmordred: ianw ^ have I captured the list of things above reasonably well?19:19
mordredclarkb: ++19:20
clarkbanything else zuul related?19:20
fungisounds like no19:21
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clarkb#topic General Topics19:21
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clarkbianw: Github replication woes19:22
ianwahh, yes19:22
ianwmore people than you maybe think seem to like github19:22
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ianw#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2018-March/005842.html19:22
fungithey all come crawling out of the knotholes as soon as replication begins to fall behind19:23
ianwis the debugging i've done, which seems to suggest something has changed and the nova-specs corruption is holding up the github replication thread19:23
* dmsimard has a feeling fungi REALLY doesn't like GitHub19:23
ianwAFAICT, mostly it tries to push and raises an exception, and thing move on19:23
clarkbworth noting we had to restart gerrit during the ptg as it got really slow19:23
clarkband I think this started afterthat19:23
pabelangerload was really high on review.o.o too19:23
ianwbut it seems that it can get stuck, not raise an exception, and then things just bunch up19:23
clarkb(but we didn't update gerrit so behavior shouldn't have changed, but github did update their ssh stuff recently)19:23
fungidmsimard: i'm just not a fan of proprietary software/services, really. nothing particularly unique to github19:24
ianwanyway, i've had a proposal to fix it out for a while described in19:24
ianw#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-June/119166.html19:24
ianwbut is the issue we want to re-index after we do that?19:24
fungiwe should be able to perform reindexing online19:25
dmsimardclarkb: ah yeah, RDO got bitten by GitHub removing deprecated ciphers -- I didn't notice any issues with the upstream gerrit for that though19:25
fungihowever, gerrit replication and other tasks will lag for some 8-12 hours while online reindexing is performed19:25
clarkbif we don't reindex gerrit will still think it has those refs around?19:26
dmsimardianw: that upstream bug hasn't really gotten any attention afaict :( https://bugs.chromium.org/p/gerrit/issues/detail?id=662219:26
ianwclarkb: i'm not sure, seeing as it's all corrupt who knows if it thinks they're there or not?19:26
fungiclarkb: yeah, not sure what might happen with queries for nova-specs changes if we don't reindex19:27
ianwdmsimard: i'm not surprised, i didn't have a replication for it.  i mostly put it there hoping if someone else sees it, we can collaborate19:27
ianwso a) does someone want to check my work (jump into the logs i guess) and make sure they can't see anything else causing this, other than nova-specs?19:28
ianwb) should i copy out the repo for a backup, run the recovery and trigger a reindex soon?19:28
fungiianw: if memory serves, the corruption seems to have possibly coincided with changes/patch sets which were pushed when gerrit was out of memory19:28
dmsimardianw: does that mean the repo on git.o.o is corrupted as well ?19:29
fungiwe had a few events around that timeframe and during the first couple we checked the repos associated with any of the write errors gerrit logged, but that one seems to have occurred overnight for most of the admins and i don't think anyone checked repository integrity before restarting19:29
clarkbfor a) I know that in the past nova-specs was the only repo doing it, I'm not sure if that is still the case19:29
ianwdmsimard: i guess so, but it doesn't get rejected on replication.  i think it's github's implementation that notices19:30
clarkbfor b) it may be the jetlag or just failing at reading comprehension but I'm not sure I understand the the steps you intend to take. Will gerrit be stopped?19:30
fungiyeah, worst case with git.o.o we can simply blow away the contents on the servers for that repo and then explicitly re-replicate it via the api19:31
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ianwi would stop gerrit, copy out the repo for backup, run the steps to get rid of the bad objects, restart gerrit, reindex?19:31
fungiif we're worried there's lingering corruption there after we repair the canonical copy19:31
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clarkbianw: ok, thats what I thought but wasn't sure based on the email. I think that is a resonable approach19:32
clarkbThe total gerrit outage should be reasonably short in that case, but the reindexing may take a while19:32
clarkbMaybe we just quickly ask release team if that will hold them up and then do it today since people are otherwise recovering from fun travel?19:33
dmsimardianw has the special ability of being on the other side of the planet when things tend to be quieter19:33
fungi"outage" insofar as the service being offline will be short, but effects of ongoing reindexing will be lengthy19:33
fungiwe should make sure, for example, that the release team knows not to approve new releases of stuff until reindexing concludes19:33
dmsimardclarkb: yeah I'm mostly concerned about the cycle-with-trailing projects (not sure if I got that tag name right)19:33
ianwit's also unknown if this will still have issues pushing to github, but i think this is the first step in finding out19:33
clarkbdmsimard: ya but at least one of them was complaining about non working github so may be its ok :)19:34
persiaIf the process is 8-12 hours, maybe start around 20:00 UTC, with the intent of having things online by 8:00 UTC (which is almost but not quite near the end of the day for many of the most easterly of folk)19:34
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clarkbanother option is to say no github until the weekend then do it late on friday?19:35
dmsimardianw: I'm not saying it's a solution but out of curiosity, do we have the ability to take nova-specs out of the github replication until this is sorted out so the remainder of the projects can sync ?19:35
fungiyeah, that's probably the least impactful timing given the curve we see on our activity graphs19:35
clarkbthat is less good for ianw though because of timezones (I guess could do it "sunday")19:35
fungii need to take a storyboard outage soonish for some database changes as well and was hoping to do that lateish on friday too19:36
persiaclarkb: Unless I miscalculate 20:00+11 = 7:00 (so later than now).  Not ideal for AU, but less bad than many other times.19:36
ianwusually that's ok, but *this* particular weekend i will be moving house and have very uncertain internet situation19:36
clarkbianw: in that case I think maybe we should try and start today and just work with release team19:36
dmsimardWe can't temporarily take nova-specs out of the replication to let the remainder of the projects sync ?19:37
dmsimardSo that only nova-specs is out of sync19:37
fungioh, worth noting, the release ptl is in an apac tz this week19:37
mordreddmsimard: not in any easy way19:37
fungiso, yeah, will require some careful notification19:37
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mordreddmsimard: we do a wildcard replication, don't we?19:37
dmsimardmordred: hm, in RDO's implementation (no jeepyb, mind you) we use regexes to control what we replicate (or not)19:38
clarkbya we do wildcard replication19:38
clarkbwe might be able to configure gerrit to exclude nova-specs19:38
clarkbjeepyb is not involved with replication19:38
clarkbreplication is entirely controlled by the gerrit server config19:38
dmsimardyeah I found http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/puppet-gerrit/tree/templates/replication.config.erb19:39
clarkbif release team says it would be a major burden on them to do this work nowish we can work on an exclusion for nova-specs instead as that will just require a short server restart and no reindex19:39
clarkbianw: ^ that work?19:39
fungichanging replication config also requires a gerrit restart, fwiw19:39
ianwi'll chat with tonyb (after breakfast time :), and if there's issues then look at the alternatives19:39
dmsimardfungi: yeah, this would only allow us to delay the reindexing until it it more convenient for us19:39
clarkbok sounds like we have a plan19:40
clarkbShall we move on to the arm64 update?19:40
fungicheck with smcginnis as well, he should hopefully be waking up soon (though will presumably be busy at the ops meetup)19:40
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clarkbfungi: that may mean its an excellent time for the work19:41
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clarkbNow for some arm 64 updating19:42
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clarkbsounds like we ran a job or jobs?19:42
ianwyes, i forget where the last update was, but we have nodes and they work19:43
ianwcurrently, AJaeger pointed out late my time last night the builder has disconnected or something http://nl01.openstack.org/dib-image-list19:43
ianwi will look into that, but builds are working19:43
gemaexcellent news, I have asked my team to work with jeffrey4l on adding some kolla jobs19:43
persiahttps://review.openstack.org/546466 merged, and ianw started a job to create the ubuntu-ports mirror.  last I checked, it was published over AFS, but the contents aren't accessible yet.19:43
ianwpersia started on some jobs19:44
dmsimardTIL /dib-image-list is a thing19:44
ianwfirst issue was i'd named the mirror wrong (mirror.cn1 rather than mirror.regionone...)19:44
ianwthat fixed pip19:44
ianwpersia also updated reprepro for ubuntu-ports19:45
ianwi created the volume and started running a sync, but overnight it's run out of quota so i need to look into that19:45
ianwwe may need some more disk on the afs servers, i will check19:45
ianwhopefully today i will push changes to make the mirror setup use ubuntu-ports when appropriate19:46
pabelangerianw: where did regionone come from?19:46
ianwthat's the actual region name in like clouds.yaml config19:46
pabelangerah, I see it http://logs.openstack.org/19/549319/1/check/storyboard-tox-pep8/bb91d84/zuul-info/inventory.yaml19:46
clarkbright we build the name from the nodepool cloud info19:46
ianwbut the horizion is cn1.linaro.cloud and i've been calling it "cn1"19:46
pabelangerkk, so we need to rebuild the mirror? or just update dns19:46
clarkbsince that is what ends up in the ansible inventory19:46
ianwi just modified the cname, for now.  we could rebuild, not sure it matters19:47
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ianwthe problem for jobs atm is that the mirror setup overwrites things so it tries to get at the x86 repo, ergo no packages can install19:48
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clarkbfor now its probably not a major thing but could be once new regions are up if they are also called regionone19:48
pabelangermirror.regionone.linaro.o.o is new CNAME?19:48
ianwso once we have that sorted ... i think jobs will work!19:48
mordredif they are also called regionone it will be a problem19:48
gemaclarkb: we can change the name19:48
ianwpabelanger: yep19:48
persiapabelanger: Yes.19:48
clarkbgema: I think as long as the new regions have distinct names it iwll be fine (don't have to change existing cloud)19:49
pabelangermordred: yah, thinking that too19:49
persiaIt is possible to run a working job now, but the job has to not require any extra packages.19:49
gemaclarkb: ack, no problem, will let niedbalski know19:49
persiaOutstanding items include: wheel mirrors (to speed up jobs), working around some of the other mirrors not having the right architectures, etc.19:50
mordred(to be fair, we *can* deal with two regions named regionone - it'll just mean each one will get their own cloud name in clouds.yaml)19:50
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clarkbsounds like progress and no major hurdles?19:50
* mordred thinks this is super-cool fwiw19:51
ianwthat's it, i think ... thanks to persia who has been super helpful getting things moving!19:51
clarkbthank you to everyone getting this going, I too think this is super cool19:51
persiaclarkb: As we're now in a place where we can start running things, I think we're about to find the hurdles.  Lots of naming assumptions, need to do manual things (like AFS volume creation), etc.19:51
pabelangerlots of excitement at PTG for arm6419:51
clarkbdmsimard had an ara topic as well which we have a little time left over for19:52
persiaMy guess is that we're about a month out from reliably running a significant number of jobs (and I'm hoping gema, niedbalski, and others can find more resources for then)19:52
dmsimardI just wanted to mention that https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:ara-sqlite-middleware would let us enable ara reports for all jobs without having to generate (or store) HTML19:53
hrwpabelanger: and that's good thing19:53
clarkb#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:ara-sqlite-middleware19:53
dmsimardIf I didn't screw up anything, that is19:53
clarkbdmsimard: this will drastically cut down on the number of required inodes per job right? allowing us to go back to having ara enabled for all jobs?19:53
clarkb(currently we only generate ara reports on failed jobs)19:53
dmsimardclarkb: yeah, I explain the delta with an example openstack-ansible job here: https://ara.readthedocs.io/en/latest/advanced.html19:54
dmsimardclarkb: tl;dr, one small file instead of thousands of larger files19:54
pabelangersome jobs like ansible and tripleo are still generating their own ara reports, could we update them to use sqlite first too?19:54
pabelangeras another data point of it working19:54
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clarkbpabelanger: they would have to update their jobs but I would expect that our apache server would do the right thing for them too19:55
dmsimardclarkb: another advantage is that we don't have to generate the HTML (which can take >1 min for *large* runs) and we also don't need to rsync that to the log server19:55
dmsimardpabelanger: yes, so the goal here is to try it on logs-dev.o.o first19:55
pabelangeryah, logs-dev.o.o wfm19:55
dmsimardpabelanger: and technically, ".*/ara-report/ansible.sqlite" should work for any project19:55
dmsimardI mean, logs.o.o/some/tripleo/job/logs/foo/ara-report/ansible.sqlite19:55
fungimy experience suggests that rsync time is dictated more by inode count than block count too19:56
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clarkbsounds like it will be a good improvement. Please review if you have time :)19:56
persiaI share that experience with rsync19:56
fungiso overall this could be a significant chunk of time savings19:56
clarkb#topic Open Discussion19:56
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clarkbReally quickly before our hour is up anything else?19:56
dmsimardIf you're curious, I have a standalone hosted test for the middleware19:56
jlvillalReview request: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/546700/  Make gerritbot install from git master19:57
fungito the earlier discussion of possibly filtering nova-specs out of gh replication, i'm not immediately seeing how to do that from https://gerrit.googlesource.com/plugins/replication/+/stable-2.13/src/main/resources/Documentation/config.md19:57
clarkb#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/546700/ install gerritbot from git master instead of latest release on pypi19:57
jlvillalAnd there are 4 (of my) patches up for review for gerritbot: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/545607/19:57
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jlvillalThanks :)19:57
mtreinishI still could use some help with the subunit2sql check db stuff:19:57
mtreinishbasically just need reviews and someone to help drive setting things up after they merge19:58
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fungii've also been working with zaro_ in #openstack-storyboard to try to determine why story comments via gerrit's its-storyboard plugin have stopped happening... seems like the timing may be related to our 2.13 upgrade19:58
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fungiif anybody has an interest in helping with that. lmk19:58
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clarkbfungi: reading the gerrit docs really quickly maybe we want to set max retries and a timeout19:59
clarkbfungi: and just set that for the github replication and maybe that will get things moving again19:59
fungioh, and we have a new donor cloud ready to be brought up. if any newer infra-roots want to give that a try, i have the credentials for the accounts and am happy to pass that activity along19:59
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mordredfungi: \o/20:00
dmsimardfungi: I think i'd like to sign up for that20:00
ianwmtreinish: i have some familiarity with that, i will take a look20:00
clarkbI'm largely going to be out today. My brain is unworking and I haven't had a proper meal in over a day20:00
fungidmsimard: awesome--i'll get up with you in #openstack-infra later20:00
mtreinishianw: ok cool, thanks20:00
clarkbI'll follow along on irc and help as I can but should be here properly tomorrow20:00
clarkband with that we are out of time20:00
clarkbthank you everyone20:00
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oneswig#startmeeting scientific-sig21:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Mar  6 21:00:22 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:00
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oneswigahoy there21:00
oneswig#link agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_SIG#IRC_Meeting_March_6th_201821:00
oneswig#topic SIG roundup from the PTG21:02
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oneswigHi Bob21:02
oneswigHow's Bridges?21:02
rbuddenDoing good21:03
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rbuddenKeeping us all busy!21:03
oneswigWe had some discussion around Ironic deploy steps, ramdisk boot and kexec - I think you were interested in this?21:03
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oneswigSeems like the deploy steps concept is right for you then :-)21:04
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b1airoMorning oneswig21:04
oneswigIt was lucky, we were scheduled at a quiet time when not much was going on21:04
oneswigHey Blair21:04
oneswig#chair b1airo21:04
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openstackCurrent chairs: b1airo oneswig21:04
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b1airoI'm wrangling the kids to school so one eye on this21:04
oneswigas a result, we had good attendance by a number of key people21:04
rbuddeni’m checking out the etherpad now21:05
oneswigb1airo: I got my kids to school hours ago...21:05
oneswigJulia Kreger seemed particularly comfortable with the idea of supporting ramdisk boot as a proven technique21:06
b1airoBugger, I must have overslept!21:06
oneswigThat was at the tail end of a couple of hours of discussion though.  We had an in-depth update on preemptible instances from ttsiouts at CERN21:07
TheJuliaextremely comfortable given what I've read where it has been done in various deployments21:08
martialHello all21:08
oneswigHi TheJulia!21:08
oneswigthanks for joining21:08
oneswigHi martial21:08
oneswig#chair martial21:08
openstackCurrent chairs: b1airo martial oneswig21:08
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oneswigI was just recapping the discussion (although running backwards)21:09
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oneswigrbudden: one action we took was to document more clearly our use cases for non-conventional Ironic deployment steps21:09
rbuddensounds good21:10
oneswigTheJulia: can you remind me the best way use cases could be made available for the Ironic team?21:10
TheJuliaoneswig: a new use case to support a new thing, or an existing usecase that we already support?21:11
oneswigNew thing - eg ramdisk boot21:11
oneswigStoryboard / launchpad?21:12
TheJuliaoneswig: Create an bug tagged with [RFE] in the subject on ironic's launchpad21:12
TheJuliaat least, until we migrate to launchpad. I have to find a spare network cable before I can run a test migration to storyboard21:12
oneswigOK, launchpad will work for now21:13
oneswigIf I create a bug and sketch out the need, rbudden can you add details specific to what you'd like for Bridges?  I'll circulate to Pierre and Tim as well21:13
rbuddenI think Trandles has the largest use case for ramdisk boot21:14
rbuddenwe could use that as well for our 12TB nodes on Bridges, but we only have a handful of them21:14
oneswigSounds like he's up to something interesting21:14
rbuddenI think boot from Cinder Vol would fix us up as well21:14
rbuddenobviously we like kexec to avoid multiple reboots21:15
oneswigrbudden: there was some discussion on multi-attach for large scale cinder volume boot, I think it needs some testing at scale (which we may try in a couple of months)21:16
oneswigrbudden: how long to reboot a node with 12 TB RAM?21:16
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rbuddeni don’t have the exact number off the top of my head, but i recall when we PXE booted it from the showfloor at SC it was at least 30 min :(21:16
rbuddenwe unded up pulling blades to debug to cut back the boot time since it was a demo ;)21:17
TheJuliaoneswig: if you do, we would love to know the details behind any testing since some systems have architectural limits.21:17
rbuddenthat was years ago though, so i’m unsure if there have been improvements to disable things like ram check, etc. at the iLO level21:17
oneswigTheJulia: johnthetubaguy and mgoddard are likely to be leading it - I'm sure they'll keep you updated.  The rough scale is deploying to ~600 ironic nodes.21:18
TheJuliaAwesome, thanks!21:18
oneswigShould be a lot of fun :-)21:19
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oneswigThere was a good deal of interesting discussion on preemptible instances, including how they might interact with reservations in Blazar.  I think that was one of the highlights of the session21:21
oneswigThat discussion gained some user input from the Scientific SIG and went on to a Nova group discussion on the Friday afternoon.21:23
oneswigIt was a bit difficult to focus by that time given everyone had just had their flights cancelled but I think the Nova team soldiered on.21:23
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oneswigOne of the nuances was on whether to perform the preempting action (ie, killing an instance) upon the final "NoValidHost" event, or to attempt to do it slightly before then based on (eg) 95% utilisation.21:24
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oneswigI think the CERN team want the former to get maximum utilisation21:25
oneswigThe latter might feasibly be a role performed by a process like Watcher.21:25
oneswigThere was also some discussion on a new strategy for resolving quotas across nested project hierarchies.21:27
b1airoWould be nice to have that option integrated given how close they are21:27
oneswigb1airo: right - seems like it, although having many concurrent actors could make a complex system chaotic.  Perhaps one strategy will win out.21:28
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b1airoFiguring out what 95% is could be a difficult problem in real deployments21:29
oneswigThe quota issue may be resolved in the long term through managing support for quotas through a new Oslo library, tasked with managing resource quotas across a subtree of projects21:29
oneswigThere were some interesting issues raised on how to count resource consumption when (eg) mixing virtualised and bare metal compute, given the custom resource classes of baremetal.21:31
b1airoMy natural instinct is that they should be separate quotas21:31
oneswigb1airo: does it all come back to the placement service in the end? On your previous comment21:32
b1airoI suspect it has to21:32
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oneswigThere was also some interesting discussion in the Ironic sessions on complex deploys - multi-partition, RAID, etc.21:36
oneswigWe also briefly talked about setting BIOS config during deploy steps.  This raises a question on how to undo in cleaning all that was done in deployment.21:37
rbuddeni’m not sure if it currently exists, but a way to plugin certain cleaning steps would be nice21:38
rbuddenspecifically for us it would be for puppet cert cleanup before a redeploy21:38
martial(catching up on the typed text, why were flight canceled?)21:38
oneswigmartial: it snowed a freakish amount for Ireland.21:39
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oneswigI got home after ~36 hours, the airport had only just reopened then.  This part of Europe isn't geared to handle weather like that, everything shuts down...21:41
b1airoNo plows lining the runways like in Chicago21:43
TheJuliaThey had plows at the airport... but yeah21:43
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TheJuliaoneswig: with regards to undo settings applied, I'm fairly sure ironic may only need to undo the boot node, but I've not had much time to think about it.. nor ability to brain after the two day trek home.21:45
oneswigrbudden: I think you can already create custom clean steps, but perhaps you'd need to roll your sleeves up - https://docs.openstack.org/ironic/pike/admin/cleaning.html21:45
TheJuliaoneswig: a distinct use case where we would need to peel things back that is not raid would be appreciated, if your aware of one21:45
rbuddenoneswig: thanks, i’ll check that out. i haven’t played with cleaning much, but always find simple cleanup steps that would be awesome to just automate21:46
oneswigTheJulia: aside from RAID our main use cases are hyperthreading and power profile.21:46
oneswigI guess hyperthreading is the one you'd notice immediately21:46
TheJuliaI think those could all be done upon next deployment if we get deploy steps sorted with the bios interface work21:47
oneswigTheJulia: if it could be done in one hit, that would be good - avoiding another reset...21:48
rbuddenhyperthreading is a good one, we occasionally get requests for this as well21:48
TheJuliaI suspect it would almost be better to always try to assert desired state upfront. The only thing I can really think of is needing special firmware, but that is.... yeah.21:49
oneswigTheJulia: careful what you wish for! :-21:50
TheJuliaI'm sure that would make some operators happy21:50
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oneswigIt would mean a comprehensive picture of default settings, to totally define hardware state upon deployment21:51
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oneswigI think that was all I had on the PTG - TheJulia was there anything the scientific SIG would really like from the Ironic sessions?21:51
b1airoVirtualisation features would be another common toggle21:52
oneswigb1airo: agreed.21:54
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oneswigBTW have you seen this project from Dell - https://github.com/dsp-jetpack/JetPack21:54
oneswigThe missing piece from python-dracclient (NIC config) is found here.21:55
TheJuliaoneswig: I'm still typing up everything. We did briefly discuss firmware management but there are many different ways we can approach that.21:55
oneswigThanks TheJulia, I'll follow that (probably indirectly via Mark and John)21:56
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oneswigWe are nearly out of time...21:57
oneswig#topic AOB21:57
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oneswigQueens is imminent!21:57
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oneswigMark did a test deploy to shake out some things in Kolla and Bifrost21:57
oneswigOne other announcement - https://github.com/openstack/kayobe - one step closer21:59
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b1airoI saw mikal praising Bifrost on Twitter :-)21:59
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oneswigit's the future of deployment! :-)22:00
oneswigOn that happy note, final comments?22:00
b1airoHe'll be on to Kayobe next22:00
martialOur P2302/ORCA meeting is coming soon ( March 20-21) ... details at federatedcloud.eventbrite.com22:00
oneswigWon't we all b1airo :-)22:00
martial(final comments shameless plug ;) )22:00
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oneswigthanks martial22:01
oneswiggood reminder!22:01
oneswigOK, we are out of time22:01
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rbuddencya later!22:01
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