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| zhiyuan | hello | 00:58 |
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| song | hi | 00:58 |
| Yipei | hi | 00:58 |
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| xuzhuang | hi | 00:59 |
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| zhiyuan | #startmeeting tricircle | 01:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 14 01:00:15 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zhiyuan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 01:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 01:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 01:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 01:00 |
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| zhiyuan | I have sent out a mail to nominate song as the core reviewer of tricircle, please vote on that mail :) | 01:01 |
| song | thanks for zhiyuan. | 01:01 |
| zhujintao | OK | 01:02 |
| xuzhuang | ok | 01:02 |
| Yipei | ok | 01:03 |
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| Yipei | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-March/128142.html | 01:04 |
| zhiyuan | Yipei, I have read your new spec, the overall proposal looks good. could you elaborate how routed network API is used to store the external network infomation in segments? | 01:04 |
| Yipei | ok, no problem | 01:05 |
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| zhiyuan | fine, then you can start coding | 01:06 |
| Yipei | ok | 01:06 |
| zhiyuan | for the port deletion patch, I see CI fails | 01:08 |
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| zxh | pep8 failed | 01:09 |
| zhiyuan | looking at the log, I guess that's because the handle function mistakenly processes "shadow port" | 01:09 |
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| zxh | just have to review | 01:11 |
| zhiyuan | the "device_owner" of "shadow port" is "compute:shadow", so "_delete_bottom_unbond_port" will also process it | 01:11 |
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| zhiyuan | shadow ports will exist across regions, we don't need to delete it | 01:13 |
| zhiyuan | they are deleted when the central port is deleted | 01:13 |
| zxh | i got it | 01:15 |
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| zhujintao | hello, everyone~ | 01:17 |
| zhiyuan | hi jintao | 01:18 |
| zhujintao | hello | 01:18 |
| zhujintao | I am dealing with this problem | 01:18 |
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| zhujintao | 'oslo.config and oslo.service have implemented basic functions' | 01:19 |
| zhujintao | but Tricircle have not used these functions | 01:19 |
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| zhujintao | so I want to bring these functions to Tricircle | 01:20 |
| zhujintao | so ,what can I get more information about it | 01:21 |
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| zhujintao | and which part of source code I should concentrate on ? | 01:21 |
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| zhiyuan | the goal is to make tricircle api and xmanager support configuration dynamical loading | 01:22 |
| song | it is the bp enable mutable configuration in rocky? | 01:22 |
| zhiyuan | yes | 01:23 |
| song | good | 01:23 |
| song | I would like do it with zhujintao student. | 01:23 |
| song | i have see the rocky blueprint plan and i want to do the enable mutable configuration. | 01:23 |
| song | i think we have miss two bps which are in q but have not yet finished . we should also add they to the r. how about it? | 01:23 |
| song | the miss two bps are Service function chaining and Driver-based implementation of Trunk | 01:23 |
| zhiyuan | oh, please add them in the ethpad page | 01:24 |
| zhiyuan | so you will co-work with jintao? | 01:25 |
| song | thanks I will add they after meeting. | 01:25 |
| song | yes. | 01:25 |
| zhujintao | ok~ | 01:25 |
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| song | so we can also add the bps which are in developing to lanuchpad? | 01:26 |
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| zhiyuan | if you would like to take it, register the feature in launchpad | 01:28 |
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| song | yes, I would like to do it.and which we register in the launchpad will promise to finished. | 01:29 |
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| xuzhuang | Has the work item port deletion in rokcy commited by xiaohan? | 01:30 |
| song | yes,he is working no it now. | 01:30 |
| song | sorry s/no/on | 01:31 |
| zhiyuan | https://docs.openstack.org/oslo.service/latest/reference/service.html | 01:32 |
| zhiyuan | i see both ProcessLauncher and ServiceLauncher have handle_signal() function | 01:32 |
| zhiyuan | i think this can be used to catch sighup and reload configuration | 01:33 |
| song | yes, also kill command and so on. | 01:33 |
| song | i see the ceph code used the watcher and notify. | 01:34 |
| song | when the conf change the will notify the watcher. | 01:34 |
| zhiyuan | https://docs.openstack.org/oslo.config/latest/reference/mutable.html | 01:34 |
| zhiyuan | and page of oslo.config | 01:35 |
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| song | good.thanks for zhiyuan. we will learn the doc after the meeting. | 01:35 |
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| zhujintao | thanks for your help~ | 01:36 |
| song | it is our pleasure. | 01:36 |
| zhiyuan | and for tricircle code, tricircle/cmd/api.py tricircle/cmd/xjob.py are the entrypoints of api and xmanager | 01:37 |
| zhujintao | got it | 01:39 |
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| zhiyuan | ok, other topics? | 01:40 |
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| song | no for me. | 01:41 |
| Yipei | no from me | 01:41 |
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| zhujintao | no for me | 01:42 |
| xuzhuang | no from me | 01:42 |
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| zhiyuan | ok, then let's finish our meeting | 01:43 |
| zhiyuan | #endmeeting | 01:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 14 01:43:29 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2018/tricircle.2018-03-14-01.00.html | 01:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2018/tricircle.2018-03-14-01.00.txt | 01:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2018/tricircle.2018-03-14-01.00.log.html | 01:43 |
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| diablo_rojo | #startmeeting fc_sig | 08:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 14 08:00:14 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is diablo_rojo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fc_sig' | 08:00 |
| cmurphy | hello | 08:00 |
| thingee | o/ | 08:00 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 08:00 |
| gmann_ | hi | 08:00 |
| diablo_rojo | Already two more people than I had even hoped for :) | 08:00 |
| diablo_rojo | I guess I don't need to ask if people are around we can just hop to it! | 08:01 |
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| diablo_rojo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/First_Contact_SIG#Meeting_Agenda Meeting Agenda | 08:01 |
| masayukig[m] | \o | 08:01 |
| diablo_rojo | I also created a ping list spot in the agenda if you all want to get pinged when I start things next time. | 08:02 |
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| diablo_rojo | Little bit of an intro, at the PTG we discussed doing a weekly meeting to kind of just go through some standing weekly items and then go through anything new (if there are things). | 08:02 |
| diablo_rojo | The two standing items being going through unmerged patches from new contributors and going through ask.openstack.org questions tag as contributor or contribution. | 08:03 |
| diablo_rojo | So! | 08:03 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic New Contributor Patches | 08:03 |
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| diablo_rojo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/reviewedby:%22Welcome%252C+new+contributor!+(10068)%22+is:open New Contributor and Unmerged Patches | 08:04 |
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| diablo_rojo | The idea is to go through this list and wherever our areas of expertise overlap, try to go and assign people to review them. | 08:04 |
| diablo_rojo | Or something like that. | 08:04 |
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| gmann_ | i can see 2 tempest patch which i can do quickly. seems pep8 error in one of them. i will help them | 08:05 |
| diablo_rojo | I figure for the first few weeks we can just take a chunk of the list at a time and then as the weeks progress we will be more up to date and there will be less to go through. | 08:05 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann_, awesome :) | 08:06 |
| gmann_ | +1 | 08:06 |
| diablo_rojo | That would be super helpful! | 08:06 |
| thingee | interesting we got patches going back to 2014. I see one that has never gotten an answer back then. | 08:06 |
| thingee | patches going back to 2014 with that filter* | 08:06 |
| gmann_ | for other projects patches, should we add core team of PTL to respond if they are stuck without review ? | 08:06 |
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| diablo_rojo | If there are ones we can't cover, hopefully we have a project liaison that we can poke to look at/foster the newbie if they aren't already | 08:07 |
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| gmann_ | ah yea project liaison | 08:07 |
| diablo_rojo | thingee, that's super sad :( Hopefully routinely going through them will make that not a problem anymore. | 08:07 |
| * diablo_rojo looks through list | 08:08 | |
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| thingee | maybe as a data point we can try to shrink this list, or the ones that have never gotten an answer. | 08:08 |
| cmurphy | a lot of these are for the sandbox repository, we probably don't really need reach out on those? | 08:09 |
| thingee | probably some of these can be abandoned by now | 08:09 |
| masayukig[m] | It looks many of them are in the sandbox project | 08:09 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, yeah I would think not. | 08:09 |
| diablo_rojo | Seeing a lot of DNMs too. | 08:09 |
| thingee | oh heh I'm not even look at projects :) | 08:09 |
| gmann_ | yea we can clean those | 08:09 |
| thingee | sleepy mike | 08:09 |
| diablo_rojo | Maybe we can reach out to them about abandoning them? | 08:09 |
| diablo_rojo | thingee, you and me both :) | 08:09 |
| gmann_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/reviewedby:%22Welcome%252C+new+contributor!+(10068)%22+is:open+project:+openstack-dev/sandbox | 08:10 |
| diablo_rojo | Okay so maybe not getting around to assigning anything this round, but wherever we have spare time in the next week, to spend a few minutes reviewing what we can and then reaching out to those that should be abandoned. | 08:10 |
| diablo_rojo | Theres a lot of cleanup to do. | 08:10 |
| thingee | sansandbox is open, so maybe we need some periodic cleaner thing | 08:11 |
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| diablo_rojo | thingee, yeah that would be helpful | 08:11 |
| diablo_rojo | Easier to focus on what needs to be focused on. | 08:11 |
| thingee | or our filter can ignore sandbox :) | 08:12 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah that totally works too | 08:12 |
| diablo_rojo | How do you even filter out a certain project? | 08:13 |
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| cmurphy | add NOT project:openstack-dev/sandbox | 08:13 |
| masayukig[m] | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/reviewedby:%22Welcome%252C+new+contributor!+(10068)%22+is:open+-project:+openstack-dev/sandbox | 08:13 |
| cmurphy | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/reviewedby:%22Welcome%252C+new+contributor!+(10068)%22+is:open+NOT+project:openstack-dev/sandbox | 08:13 |
| diablo_rojo | Ah, all caps. | 08:13 |
| masayukig[m] | ? | 08:13 |
| diablo_rojo | lowercase wasn't cutting it | 08:13 |
| masayukig[m] | ah, NOT | 08:13 |
| cmurphy | the - works too | 08:14 |
| diablo_rojo | Way more manageable length of list when you take those out | 08:14 |
| thingee | oh you can also do -project:openstack/sandbox | 08:14 |
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| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, you so smart :) | 08:14 |
| masayukig[m] | yeah, https://review.openstack.org/Documentation/user-search.html#_negation | 08:14 |
| thingee | oh nvm cmurphy already mentioned that | 08:14 |
| diablo_rojo | So many things I didn't know how to do. | 08:14 |
| thingee | today I learned :) | 08:15 |
| diablo_rojo | Me too! | 08:15 |
| masayukig[m] | same here! | 08:15 |
| gmann_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/reviewedby:%22Welcome%252C+new+contributor!+(10068)%22+is:open+-project:+openstack-dev/sandbox | 08:15 |
| gmann_ | - is easy one :) | 08:15 |
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| diablo_rojo | Okay so I propose we all take an action item to like.. go respond to 3? 5? or if you can't respond, find a project liaison to cover it? | 08:16 |
| thingee | good collaboration folks | 08:16 |
| diablo_rojo | Does that seem reasonable? | 08:16 |
| diablo_rojo | +1 | 08:16 |
| gmann_ | +1 | 08:17 |
| diablo_rojo | I see some swiftclient ones maybe we can get mattoliverau on | 08:17 |
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| thingee | also -openstack-dev/ci-sandbox | 08:18 |
| masayukig[m] | +1 | 08:18 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/reviewedby:%22Welcome%252C+new+contributor!+(10068)%22+is:open+-project:+openstack-dev/sandbox+OR+-project:openstack-dev/ci-sandbox | 08:19 |
| diablo_rojo | ? | 08:19 |
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| diablo_rojo | Even shorter list now. | 08:19 |
| diablo_rojo | Okay so I can update that link on the agenda | 08:21 |
| diablo_rojo | for next time | 08:21 |
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| masayukig[m] | I think it should be AND? #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/reviewedby:%22Welcome%252C+new+contributor!+(10068)%22+is:open+-project:+openstack-dev/sandbox+AND+-project:openstack-dev/ci-sandbox | 08:22 |
| diablo_rojo | #Action Everyone try to review to or get a project liaison to review a min of three patches from this list for next week | 08:22 |
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| diablo_rojo | Onto the next standing item | 08:23 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic ask.openstack.org questions | 08:23 |
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| diablo_rojo | So, I imagine this will be similar where we have a sizable list in the beginning and will have to slowly whittle it down. | 08:24 |
| gmann_ | yea | 08:24 |
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| gmann_ | just replied on one post though that was little old - https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/93608/how-can-i-contribute-if-im-junior-level-developer/ | 08:24 |
| gmann_ | but seems need moderator approval before answer gets posted. | 08:24 |
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| diablo_rojo | #link https://ask.openstack.org/en/questions/scope:all/sort:activity-desc/tags:contribution/page:1/ Contribution | 08:24 |
| diablo_rojo | Do they always need moderator approval? | 08:25 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://ask.openstack.org/en/questions/scope:all/sort:activity-desc/tags:contributor/page:1/ Contributor tag | 08:26 |
| diablo_rojo | That one is a bit shorter | 08:26 |
| diablo_rojo | Neither is that bad | 08:26 |
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| diablo_rojo | So maybe the action item for this one is just respond to 2? | 08:27 |
| gmann_ | this msg - "Your post was placed on the moderation queue and will be published after the moderator approval. At least 10 karma points is required to post links" | 08:27 |
| diablo_rojo | Does that work for people? | 08:27 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann_, oh interesting | 08:27 |
| gmann_ | after 10 karma it might work wihtout approval | 08:28 |
| diablo_rojo | Helps with avoiding spam and bots I would think. | 08:28 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann_, yeah | 08:28 |
| gmann_ | RE: respond to 2 post works fine for me. | 08:29 |
| diablo_rojo | Since I didn't hear objections to the proposal I will make that another action item :) | 08:29 |
| gmann_ | :)+1 | 08:29 |
| diablo_rojo | #action Respond to at least 2 questions on ask.openstack.org | 08:29 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic New Contributor of the Week | 08:30 |
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| diablo_rojo | So this idea was brought up a while ago- I think by ttx originally. I thought since we would be sifting through code reviews and focusing on new contributors any way it would be easy enough for us to come up with a name each week and like two sentence to maybe include in the developer digest? | 08:31 |
| diablo_rojo | thingee, thoughts on that? | 08:31 |
| gmann_ | idea is nice. | 08:32 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann_, I can't take credit for it, but I definitely agree. | 08:32 |
| gmann_ | but what will be the criteria to choose? quality of code, complexity of patch, project etc? | 08:32 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann_, I think it can vary week to week. | 08:32 |
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| diablo_rojo | Those would be things to keep in mind for sure. | 08:33 |
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| diablo_rojo | #action If one of the reviews you do is of particular note, try to remember to bring the person up during this part of the meeting next week | 08:34 |
| diablo_rojo | Okay, last planned agenda item! | 08:35 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic Rollover of #openstack-101 to #openstack-dev | 08:35 |
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| thingee | sounds fine to me, anyone can contribute to the dev digest here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/devdigest | 08:35 |
| diablo_rojo | thingee, oh yes! Thanks for the link, I had it on the agenda and forgot to actually use it lol. | 08:35 |
| thingee | can make a section to mention new contributors. ok yes new topic ;) | 08:35 |
| diablo_rojo | thingee, falling asleep? :) | 08:35 |
| thingee | eh yea :D | 08:36 |
| gmann_ | what time there for you guys? mid night? | 08:36 |
| diablo_rojo | So, basically we want to roll this channel over and if I recall, we got the directions on how to do it from fungi at the PTG and its in our FC SIG etherpad. | 08:36 |
| thingee | 1:36, but DST with a 1 year old | 08:36 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann_, closing in on 2 AM | 08:36 |
| gmann_ | omg | 08:37 |
| diablo_rojo | Basically my reason for bringing this up is that it doesn't have an owner :) | 08:37 |
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| diablo_rojo | If anyone wants to start moving this forward it would be vastly appreciated :) | 08:37 |
| thingee | diablo_rojo: i can figure it out | 08:37 |
| diablo_rojo | thingee, oh cool that would be awesome. | 08:38 |
| * diablo_rojo goes to get link fungi provided | 08:38 | |
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| diablo_rojo | #link https://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/irc.html#renaming-an-irc-channel | 08:38 |
| diablo_rojo | thingee, ^^ | 08:38 |
| thingee | ack | 08:39 |
| gmann_ | thingee: thanks | 08:39 |
| thingee | omg irc commands | 08:39 |
| thingee | the worse kind too of having to talk to chanserv. | 08:39 |
| diablo_rojo | ha ha ha yeah a lot of them | 08:40 |
| diablo_rojo | yeah.. | 08:40 |
| thingee | always feel weird telling that person my password. | 08:40 |
| diablo_rojo | I guess I will owe you a woodford reserve for handling all that :) | 08:40 |
| diablo_rojo | The tips on that section are also very interesting | 08:41 |
| cmurphy | spotz had a suggestion on the ml to direct to #openstack instead of #openstack-dev, thoughts on that? | 08:41 |
| thingee | oh haha this will be interesting fun? | 08:41 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, yeah I had seen that but didn't get time to respond. I feel like in general we want to direct to #openstack-dev since the fc sig was originally formed in response to people that needed help with the contribution process? | 08:42 |
| diablo_rojo | Other people have thoughts? | 08:43 |
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| thingee | contribution can be more than dev, so #openstack can be fine. | 08:43 |
| diablo_rojo | At this point the contributor guide points #openstack-dev but that can be changed | 08:43 |
| thingee | I think i just want people somewhere active that they can feel like they want to listen in and maybe contribute in discussion | 08:44 |
| * diablo_rojo doesn't currently sit in the #openstack channel | 08:44 | |
| diablo_rojo | is it pretty active? | 08:44 |
| cmurphy | both channels are more active than -101 so i don't have strong feelings either way | 08:44 |
| diablo_rojo | All the usual suspects? | 08:45 |
| diablo_rojo | Fair :) | 08:45 |
| thingee | I sit in there, and very seldomly answer questions. I don't always feel like I have the right answer, though maybe that would trigger someone smarter to answer. | 08:45 |
| diablo_rojo | I agree #openstack-101 needs to go away | 08:45 |
| cmurphy | slightly different group of active people than in -dev | 08:45 |
| diablo_rojo | Maybe we can direct to both? Depending on the interest? I would hate for people to be shuffled to one and then get shuffled to the other. | 08:46 |
| diablo_rojo | Especially before they are used to IRC and watching 10 channels at once. | 08:46 |
| gmann_ | #openstack channel says "Openstack Support Channel, Development in #openstack-dev | Wiki: http://wiki.openstack.org/ | Docs: http://docs.openstack.org/ | Answers: https://ask.o..." | 08:48 |
| gmann_ | which looks more generic one to redirect people to right things | 08:48 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann_, yeah I am seeing in the irc list that it says: 'general discussion, support ' | 08:49 |
| diablo_rojo | I guess I still lean towards pointing people to #openstack-dev.. | 08:50 |
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| diablo_rojo | I can respond on the ML tomorrow morning with my thoughts. | 08:51 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic General Discussion | 08:51 |
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| diablo_rojo | Only other thing I have to mention is if we see someone pushing the same sort of patch in a bunch of different projects (i.e. spelling change or link updates) we should probably reach out to them? I know this was kind of why the SIG was created in the first place. | 08:53 |
| diablo_rojo | Just something to be mindful of I guess. | 08:53 |
| * diablo_rojo is getting too tired to string words together into an actual sentence | 08:54 | |
| diablo_rojo | So thats all I had! | 08:54 |
| diablo_rojo | 6 min to spare. | 08:54 |
| diablo_rojo | Anyone have anything else to mention? | 08:54 |
| gmann_ | nothing from my side. | 08:55 |
| diablo_rojo | Coolio. | 08:55 |
| thingee | nothing here, thanks for leading diablo_rojo | 08:55 |
| diablo_rojo | Thanks for staying up thingee :) | 08:55 |
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| diablo_rojo | And thank you everyone else for coming to our first meeting! | 08:55 |
| gmann_ | thanks diablo_rojo for chairing. | 08:56 |
| thingee | we'll have shirts printed | 08:56 |
| diablo_rojo | Don't forget to add yourselves to the ping list. | 08:56 |
| diablo_rojo | thingee, I do love OpenStack T-Shirts | 08:56 |
| diablo_rojo | Without further ado... | 08:56 |
| diablo_rojo | #endmeeting | 08:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 08:56 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 14 08:56:58 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fc_sig/2018/fc_sig.2018-03-14-08.00.html | 08:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fc_sig/2018/fc_sig.2018-03-14-08.00.txt | 08:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fc_sig/2018/fc_sig.2018-03-14-08.00.log.html | 08:57 |
| diablo_rojo | Have a good morning/afternoon/sleep! | 08:57 |
| gmann_ | done | 08:57 |
| gmann_ | thanks, have good sleep guys | 08:57 |
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| martial_ | #startmeeting Scientific-SIG | 11:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 14 11:01:27 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is martial_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 11:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 11:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Scientific-SIG)" | 11:01 | |
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| martial_ | Good morning | 11:01 |
| oneswig | Morning martial_ thanks for driving today | 11:01 |
| priteau | Good morning Martial | 11:01 |
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| martial_ | hey Stig, Pierre | 11:02 |
| martial_ | stig: sure thing | 11:02 |
| daveholland | o/ (might get pulled to another meeting but hoping to hear/talk about hierarchical projects) | 11:02 |
| verdurin-alt | Morning. | 11:02 |
| martial_ | well let's get started with that then :) | 11:02 |
| martial_ | #topic hierarchical projects | 11:02 |
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| daveholland | :) | 11:02 |
| martial_ | daveholland: want to give us the brief on the forum post? | 11:03 |
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| daveholland | I haven't seen it but I have seen past proposals I think, I can outline the use case for us if you want? | 11:03 |
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| oneswig | #link discussion on user-committee list http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/user-committee/2018-March/002636.html | 11:04 |
| oneswig | That the one Martial? | 11:05 |
| martial_ | The forum post contained: "[...] an enforcement model is an opinionated way of how a quota, or limit, should behave with respect to other parent, sibling, or child projects. It's possible to think of multiple ways in which enforcement can be done, and it's not that there is one right way and the rest are wrong, just a difference in how quotas might need to behave for different deployments." | 11:05 |
| martial_ | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-sigs/2018-March/000309.html | 11:05 |
| martial_ | I had this one (thanks Stig) | 11:05 |
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| daveholland | Thanks, I hadn't caught up with email that far yet | 11:06 |
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| martial_ | this one link and this one link | 11:06 |
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| martial_ | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-February/111999.html | 11:07 |
| daveholland | FWIW our users would like nested/heirarchical projects to look as much as possible like the current implementation; but to allow a higher-level project to be a reporting method for the subprojects. If it was an implementation detail that a project could only contain either projects or other resources that would be OK. | 11:07 |
| daveholland | (i.e. a top-level "container" project with leaf projects containing instances, volumes etc) | 11:08 |
| martial_ | so "We'd like to see if the User Committee can help us collect more information from users and operators about how they expect enforcement to be done. Do your deployments use hierarchical projects? How do you manage quota today? Do you have expectations about how quotas and limits work across related projects (e.g. setting quota on a parent project affects the children in X ways)?"s | 11:08 |
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| daveholland | we don't do hierarchical projects today (just migrating off Liberty, to Pike) and there's frustration around having to track many different quotas | 11:09 |
| belmoreira | CERN has a blog post about our use case: http://openstack-in-production.blogspot.fr/2017/07/nested-quota-models.html | 11:10 |
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| martial_ | looking at the options section of this post helps as well, thank you belmoreira | 11:12 |
| daveholland | Maybe I'm getting ahead a bit, but I can imagine user desire for both absolute and proportional sub-project quota settings ("I want this CI subproject to have 10 VCPUs", vs "I want my two PhD students to each have 50% of this project's quota") | 11:12 |
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| martial_ | that is also how we would use it for our users but can this work with cpu overprovisioning for example? | 11:13 |
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| daveholland | We are only just getting into overprovisioning/oversubscription, previously have set cpu_allocation_ratio=1 everywhere. Should a VCPU on a potentially-oversubscribed hypervisor count for 1 or 1/N VCPUs? | 11:14 |
| belmoreira | daveholland cpu overprovisioning is related with the allocation that you allow. I don't see a problem | 11:14 |
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| martial_ | priteau: does this affect you as well? | 11:15 |
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| daveholland | I see a need to distinguish, because we intend to allow users to choose oversubscribed or not, based on flavour | 11:15 |
| priteau | martial_: being mostly bare-metal, we don't use overprovisioning, but we may want to use hierarchical projects for teachers who then use sub-projects for groups of students. We could work with absolute quota settings but it would surely be easier if proportional was possible. | 11:17 |
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| martial_ | so both models have apllications | 11:18 |
| daveholland | martial_: yes, definitely | 11:19 |
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| martial_ | the picture at the end of the cern blog post and the explaination are a good example of the complexity | 11:19 |
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| martial_ | we have had a couple users groups explain to us how they use the model, and both cases are represented | 11:21 |
| daveholland | Also a vote from here for "It should be possible for an administrator to lower the limit on a child project below the current usage." - sometimes it's necessary to get people to tidy their rooms :) | 11:21 |
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| martial_ | daveholland: or release a GPU :) | 11:22 |
| martial_ | any other point of view on this subject? | 11:22 |
| martial_ | because this is a conversation in an open forum, we would like to invite people to explain their use case. | 11:24 |
| martial_ | as a reminder, the link for this topic can be found in the ML archives at | 11:24 |
| martial_ | #http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-sigs/2018-March/000309.html | 11:24 |
| martial_ | # link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-sigs/2018-March/000309.html | 11:24 |
| martial_ | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-sigs/2018-March/000309.html | 11:24 |
| martial_ | (silly fingers) | 11:24 |
| verdurin-alt | Our users would probably be similar to daveholland | 11:25 |
| martial_ | thank you verdurin-alt | 11:25 |
| martial_ | thank you all for sharing your comments, this is not going to be solved this morning, but as we are trying to bring awareness to the problem, we invite all to contribute to the forum | 11:27 |
| martial_ | any additional comment on this topic? | 11:27 |
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| martial_ | moving on to the next topic then | 11:28 |
| martial_ | #topic upcoming Federated Cloud workshop | 11:28 |
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| martial_ | #link https://federatedcloud.eventbrite.com | 11:29 |
| martial_ | Some of you might be familair with the "Open Research Cloud" effort that was started at the Boston summit last yea | 11:29 |
| martial_ | +r | 11:29 |
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| martial_ | in September 2017, the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) stated a Public Working Group to bring people together to discuss cloud interoperability | 11:30 |
| martial_ | this was an effort in collaboration with the IEEE P2302 | 11:30 |
| martial_ | next week in Gaithersburg, MD, USA we are continuing this conversation with a meeting hosted by the NIST PWG to bring together people and continue our conversation on this effort | 11:31 |
| martial_ | more details are at the link posted above | 11:32 |
| martial_ | any question on this effort? | 11:33 |
| martial_ | we will have remote participation for people who are interested | 11:33 |
| verdurin-alt | martial_ - that was going to be my question | 11:33 |
| martial_ | and some of the members of our community are joining us | 11:34 |
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| martial_ | note that it is not openstack specific (IEEE effort) | 11:35 |
| daveholland | there was some interest in ORC here but I've not heard of this event, I'll pass it on | 11:35 |
| martial_ | daveholland: my apologies, I have posted about it in the forum but we have not followed up | 11:35 |
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| daveholland | NP! | 11:35 |
| martial_ | I mention it once in a while :) | 11:35 |
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| martial_ | but we truly welcome our community and participation, so please feel free to share the information | 11:36 |
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| martial_ | the plan is so far to host the follow up meeting during the Vancouver Summit | 11:37 |
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| martial_ | Ildiko has been instrumental to help us with the effort | 11:37 |
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| martial_ | any questions that I can answer? | 11:38 |
| martial_ | cool :) | 11:39 |
| PeteC | I've not heard anything regarding spot price equivalents in OpenStack for a while. Has anyone heard anything ? | 11:39 |
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| martial_ | bringing us to | 11:40 |
| martial_ | #topic AOB | 11:40 |
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| martial_ | Pete: you are talking about pricing comparison with AWS and such? | 11:41 |
| PeteC | The ability to use pre-emptive instances, which may be disposable if higher priority instances are required. | 11:42 |
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| martial_ | this sounds like it could be a side conversation to the nested quota we had earlier | 11:43 |
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| verdurin-alt | PeteC there's a summary of the Dublin PTG discussion about this here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/scientific-sig-ptg-rocky | 11:44 |
| PeteC | So this ( I think ) is slightly skewed to quotas. | 11:44 |
| PeteC | and ty | 11:44 |
| martial_ | PeteC: Stig might be able to provide additional information on spot instances during a follow up meeting | 11:47 |
| martial_ | (beyond the SIG's PTG notes) | 11:47 |
| martial_ | PeteC: thank you for brining this up, I will follow up with Stig and have this topic added to a future conversation | 11:48 |
| martial_ | anything else? | 11:49 |
| martial_ | okay then, with that, I will call the meeting to an end, thank you for joining us Today | 11:51 |
| daveholland | thanks :) | 11:51 |
| verdurin-alt | Thanks. | 11:52 |
| martial_ | and if you have quota needs, join the mailing list/forum conversation :) | 11:52 |
| martial_ | #endmeeting | 11:52 |
| daveholland | I will try to catch up on my email...! | 11:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 14 11:52:56 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 11:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-03-14-11.01.html | 11:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-03-14-11.01.txt | 11:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-03-14-11.01.log.html | 11:53 |
| priteau | Good bye everyone! | 11:53 |
| martial_ | Hoping to see people in Vancouver in a couple of months | 11:54 |
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| daveholland | yes, hope so | 11:54 |
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| mugsie | #startmeeting Designate | 14:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 14 14:04:39 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 14:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 14:04 |
| mugsie | #topic Roll Call | 14:04 |
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| mugsie | ping frickler diman simon-AS559 bnemec browny | 14:05 |
| bnemec | o/ | 14:05 |
| mugsie | morning :) | 14:06 |
| mugsie | diman is online filing bugs, but doesn't seem to be in IRC | 14:07 |
| mugsie | looks like a quiet meeting then - no new bugs (apart from the TXT / SPF bug we talked about last week), and no potential backports | 14:08 |
| mugsie | any non agenda items? | 14:09 |
| mugsie | Seen last week was really busy, this week is taking the hit :D | 14:09 |
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| mugsie | ok then, back to work it is :) | 14:12 |
| mugsie | #endmeeting | 14:12 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | Hi… sorry for being late | 15:01 |
| * jdandrea waves hello | 15:02 | |
| marie | Hi | 15:02 |
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| avankemp_ | o/ | 15:02 |
| dpertin | Hi! | 15:02 |
| jamemcc | Hello | 15:02 |
| ansmith | o/ | 15:02 |
| ad_ri3n_ | #startmeeting fog-edge-massively-distributed-clouds | 15:02 |
| ad_ri3n_ | #chair ad_ri3n_ | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 14 15:02:58 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ad_ri3n_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fog-edge-massively-distributed-clouds)" | 15:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds' | 15:03 |
| knikolla | o/ | 15:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: ad_ri3n_ | 15:03 |
| ad_ri3n_ | #topic roll call | 15:03 |
| ad_ri3n_ | Hi guys | 15:03 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | sorry for being late… I was brainstorming on OpenStack (as usual ;)) | 15:03 |
| parus | Hello | 15:03 |
| jdandrea | o/ | 15:03 |
| jamemcc | o/ | 15:03 |
| ad_ri3n_ | so it seems that there is a couple of folks | 15:03 |
| ad_ri3n_ | great ! | 15:03 |
| ad_ri3n_ | #info agenda | 15:03 |
| ad_ri3n_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/massivfbely_distributed_ircmeetings_2018 line 260 Agenda | 15:03 |
| ad_ri3n_ | Please put your (nick)name in the etherpad | 15:04 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | arg.. wrong link | 15:04 |
| knikolla | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/massively_distributed_ircmeetings_2018 | 15:04 |
| ad_ri3n_ | @dpertin can you please copy/paste | 15:04 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | thanks knikolla | 15:04 |
| parus | US changed to summer time last week-end.... Lots of schedule confusion this side of the Atlantic. | 15:04 |
| dpertin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/massively_distributed_ircmeetings_2018 | 15:04 |
| ad_ri3n_ | So there is a couple of new folks | 15:05 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | maybe we can take a few minutes to introduce them | 15:05 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | knikolla: jdandrea ? | 15:05 |
| ad_ri3n_ | could you please introduce briefly yourself? | 15:05 |
| ad_ri3n_ | thanks | 15:06 |
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| knikolla | o/ hi all. I'm Kristi. keystone core and leading the resource federation efforts at the Mass Open Cloud. https://massopen.cloud/blog/mixmatch-federation/ | 15:06 |
| ad_ri3n_ | great to see you there knikolla | 15:07 |
| jdandrea | Certainly. Joe D'Andrea, working on all things cloud, previously seen around Heat stuffs. | 15:07 |
| ad_ri3n_ | the same jdandrea | 15:07 |
| jdandrea | :) | 15:07 |
| ad_ri3n_ | thank you guys for joining the meeting | 15:07 |
| jdandrea | You're welcome! Thanks for hosting it. | 15:07 |
| ad_ri3n_ | so let's start | 15:07 |
| ad_ri3n_ | #topic announcement | 15:08 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | so you can see the major news in the pad | 15:08 |
| ad_ri3n_ | regarding the PTG, we have two sessions with a rather important number of participants | 15:08 |
| ad_ri3n_ | during the monday afternoon we went through the expected features we identified previously | 15:08 |
| ad_ri3n_ | We got a couple of previous comments and we are currently trying to consolidate all the inputs in a readable/concise document | 15:09 |
| ad_ri3n_ | On Tuesday, the openstack foundation join the discussion and we mainly discussed concrete issues ATT is facing | 15:09 |
| ad_ri3n_ | This enabled us to move to prototyping discussions regarding keystone and glance | 15:10 |
| ad_ri3n_ | regarding keystone, the first discussion focused on the possibility to define roles/… on a region basis | 15:10 |
| ad_ri3n_ | i.e. define rights according to each site for each user/project… | 15:10 |
| ad_ri3n_ | The idea is to prepare a well described request to se whether this concept of regions/locations can be reified at the level of keystone | 15:11 |
| ad_ri3n_ | The second part of the discussion dealt with golden services such as keystone or glance | 15:11 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | The main idea is to be able to create for instance a new vm image through the golden glance and push the new VMI on a set of identified sites | 15:12 |
| ad_ri3n_ | how we are going to implement those concepts has not been discussed yet | 15:12 |
| msimonin | push = make the image available | 15:12 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | (actually I think this is the major challenge because those new golden services would probably be stateful and thus we may have to deal with inconsistency issues) | 15:13 |
| ad_ri3n_ | You can find further informations on the different link I put | 15:13 |
| ad_ri3n_ | The second new from my side is related to the Openstack edge sesions but I would like to discuss that point later in the agenda | 15:13 |
| ad_ri3n_ | so that's all from my side. | 15:13 |
| ad_ri3n_ | Any news guys from your side? | 15:14 |
| msimonin | As far as I remember the discussion it looked like an active/passive model | 15:14 |
| msimonin | the golden site was active (admin task can be performed) | 15:14 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ansmith: msimonin do you want to add a few words regarding the presentation in the OSLO session? | 15:14 |
| msimonin | the other site was passive (usable by the users to start vm but not for admin tasks) | 15:14 |
| msimonin | other sites* | 15:14 |
| ad_ri3n_ | thanks msimonin | 15:15 |
| msimonin | ad_ri3n_: I can share some slides | 15:15 |
| ansmith | the oslo members very much appreciated the update from msimonin on bus analysis | 15:15 |
| ad_ri3n_ | yes please c/p the link if you are ok | 15:15 |
| msimonin | https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1LcF8WcihRDOGmOPIU1aUlkFd1XkHXEnaxIoLmRN4iXw/edit?usp=sharing | 15:16 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1LcF8WcihRDOGmOPIU1aUlkFd1XkHXEnaxIoLmRN4iXw/edit?usp=sharing preliminary presentation of the bus analysis | 15:16 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ok | 15:17 |
| ad_ri3n_ | anything else? | 15:17 |
| * jdandrea is perusing the slides (thank you!) | 15:17 | |
| ad_ri3n_ | maybe we can add that the framework used to perform this experiment is going to presented during the CNERT workshop soon | 15:17 |
| ad_ri3n_ | @avankemp_ can you please c/p the link to the workshop | 15:18 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ? | 15:18 |
| parus | My recollection is that ONAP uses some components of Openstack. is oslo being used by ONAP? does anyone know? | 15:18 |
| avankemp_ | #link http://infocom2018.ieee-infocom.org/content/workshop-cnert-computer-and-networking-experimental-research-using-testbeds | 15:18 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | thanks avankemp_ | 15:18 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | parus: not from my side. AFAIK ONAP only use the OS API | 15:18 |
| ad_ri3n_ | s/only use/only uses | 15:19 |
| ad_ri3n_ | confirmed by dpertin ;) | 15:19 |
| jdandrea | ad_ri3n_ It's possible that oslo components are being used in a few spots. I can check. Possibilities include multicloud due to plugins that interface w/OpenStack. | 15:19 |
| ansmith | ONAP defines common services around messaging but not oslo specifically | 15:19 |
| ad_ri3n_ | should we go on on that point? | 15:20 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | jamemcc: could you please refresh us a bit regarding LCCO WG? | 15:20 |
| ad_ri3n_ | jamemcc: still there? | 15:21 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ok so let's start the agenda | 15:21 |
| ad_ri3n_ | #topic ongoing-actions OpenStack edge sessions | 15:22 |
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| jamemcc | Sorry | 15:22 |
| jamemcc | looked away | 15:22 |
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| jamemcc | I'll update the pad | 15:22 |
| ad_ri3n_ | (thanks jamemcc) So we (Parus and I) took part to the meeting this morning | 15:22 |
| ad_ri3n_ | two or three additional folks coming from Asia have joined the call. | 15:23 |
| ad_ri3n_ | Jonathan briefly summarized the work that has been done so far | 15:23 |
| ad_ri3n_ | Prakash gave a couple of new pointers regarding new activities supported by ATT and LF | 15:24 |
| ad_ri3n_ | in particular that one: | 15:24 |
| ad_ri3n_ | #link https://www.akraino.org | 15:24 |
| ad_ri3n_ | I don't know what is behing but unfortunately yet another piece of code to keep an eye on it | 15:24 |
| ad_ri3n_ | at the end of the meeting we discussed a bit about the golden service approach. | 15:25 |
| ad_ri3n_ | Jonathan will propose to organize a telco dedicated to discuss a bit more this architecture and try to identify possible limitations | 15:26 |
| ad_ri3n_ | so let's keep an eye on the edge mailing list | 15:26 |
| ad_ri3n_ | that's all from my side on that | 15:26 |
| ad_ri3n_ | if there is no question I can switch to the next point? | 15:26 |
| parus | There was a post on linked in by Kandan about this. | 15:26 |
| parus | #link https://www.linkedin.com/in/kandank/detail/recent-activity/ | 15:26 |
| ad_ri3n_ | thanks parus | 15:26 |
| jdandrea | Thx! | 15:27 |
| ad_ri3n_ | #topic ongoing-actions P2P/gap analysis | 15:28 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | Simultaneously of the edge discussions, we are still working with Ericsson folks to better understand the pros/cons of top/down vs bottom/up approaches | 15:29 |
| ad_ri3n_ | to develop the resource management system for an edge infrastructure | 15:29 |
| ad_ri3n_ | Although the foundation seems to be in favour of a top/down approach | 15:30 |
| ad_ri3n_ | we would like to be sure this is the right way to go (actually, I'm even not sure that they ''push'' a top/down approach to be honest. I would rather say that we agreed that a synchronisation mechanism is mandatory to synchronise the different services between the different regions but how this will be done is still unclear as discussed previously) | 15:31 |
| ad_ri3n_ | So the goal of this ongoing action is to identify possible ''no go'' issues that prevent either one or the other approach | 15:32 |
| ad_ri3n_ | We hope to have a short document (5 pages) to be presented soon. | 15:32 |
| ad_ri3n_ | We also arranged an internal meeting next week at Inria to discuss this question. | 15:32 |
| ad_ri3n_ | So more news during the next meeting hopefully | 15:32 |
| ad_ri3n_ | questions? | 15:33 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | ok so let's move to the next point | 15:33 |
| ad_ri3n_ | #topic ongoing-actions keystone backend | 15:34 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | @rcherrueau | 15:34 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | is absent for a couple of days. @marie, who is an internship in our group work with rcherrueau and will update us about the current work | 15:34 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | @marie the floor is yours ;) | 15:34 |
| marie | hi :) | 15:35 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | so the goal is to compare from the performance viewpoint several approaches to share state accross distinct sites | 15:36 |
| marie | we are testing different type of deployments for Keystone | 15:37 |
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| marie | with a common authentication, either with one centralized Keystone or a Keystone on each region with a common state | 15:38 |
| marie | and also later wih a federated Keystone | 15:38 |
| ad_ri3n_ | are you considering the federated approach | 15:39 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ok… too late ;) | 15:39 |
| jdandrea | (hehehe) | 15:39 |
| ad_ri3n_ | knikolla: did you already perform such evaluations from your side? | 15:39 |
| knikolla | ad_ri3n_: not yet | 15:39 |
| ad_ri3n_ | @marie is your experiment protocol already available or not yet? | 15:39 |
| marie | We are comparing the performance for Galera and CockroachDB when we are varying the number of nodes and latency | 15:40 |
| ad_ri3n_ | it would be great to share it to get feedbacks | 15:40 |
| msimonin | something in the performance doc would be a good place | 15:40 |
| ad_ri3n_ | knikolla: is it a possible interest point for keystone core devs? | 15:40 |
| ad_ri3n_ | @msimonin +1 ;) | 15:40 |
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| knikolla | ad_ri3n_: the performance of keystone in a multiregion setup with cockroachdb vs galera? | 15:41 |
| ad_ri3n_ | vs federation | 15:41 |
| ad_ri3n_ | yes? | 15:41 |
| ad_ri3n_ | (cockroach or any other relevant storage backend) | 15:42 |
| knikolla | ad_ri3n_: in the case of federation, you will not have a shared database. so the defining factor will be the time it takes to exchange an assertion for a token. | 15:42 |
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| knikolla | (keystone to keystone federation) | 15:42 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | the question we would like to deal with is: what is the most suited manner to get a logical global view of a keystone across distinct locations/openstack instances | 15:43 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | knikolla: exactly | 15:43 |
| ad_ri3n_ | moreover with the edge context we have to deal with possible network split brain issues | 15:44 |
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| knikolla | which are tricky for databases, but work better when you don't need to share state. in the case of federation. | 15:44 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | but yes this is exactly the idea (either we replicate states everywhere: galera like manner, or we leverage a keystone to keystone federation or we use a locally aware no/new SQL db such as cockroach) | 15:45 |
| parus | I have a basic question (sorry to derail) | 15:45 |
| ad_ri3n_ | so what is your first opinion knikolla : keystone to keystone federation should be more suited for the edge context? | 15:46 |
| ad_ri3n_ | (parus please go on, feel free ;)) | 15:46 |
| parus | Keystone is used to store user credentials, but also to generate tokens. Those are two very different use cases, When distributing the database, can we separate both types of content? | 15:46 |
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| knikolla | i probably need to do a lot of background reading for what's being discussed and aimed for here, as this is my first time joining the meeting. | 15:46 |
| knikolla | i tend to favor the federation approach, personally. but as i just said above, I need to read more about your requirements. | 15:47 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | ok | 15:47 |
| knikolla | parus: i would say you can. | 15:47 |
| parus | My question is hinting on : is federation appropriate for User credentials but maybe not for token. | 15:47 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | I was just wondering what was the current choice for the federation efforts. | 15:48 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | knikolla: any pointer to share regarding current discussions on those federations' related questions | 15:49 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ? | 15:49 |
| knikolla | ad_ri3n_: parus: depends on how you're going to handle authorization (user access to projects) | 15:50 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ok maybe you can tell us more next time | 15:50 |
| ad_ri3n_ | knikolla: if you have a link toward a wiki page/some minutes of your brainstorming sessions, It would be great if you can share it. | 15:50 |
| ad_ri3n_ | (10 minutes left, sorry we have to move to the next point) | 15:50 |
| ad_ri3n_ | #topic ongoing-actions AMQP evaluations | 15:51 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | ansmith: msimonin: please ? | 15:51 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | msimonin: ansmith nothing to add regarding all the crazy work you are doing :-P ? | 15:52 |
| ansmith | not much to update as kgiusti and msimonin were off last week, starting up again this week | 15:52 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ok … next point :D | 15:53 |
| msimonin | hey | 15:53 |
| msimonin | yes sorry | 15:53 |
| msimonin | We're scaling the framework | 15:53 |
| ad_ri3n_ | (I was also offline last week … winter vacations here in France for most of us ;)) | 15:53 |
| msimonin | This should be ready soon | 15:53 |
| * knikolla gotta run to another meeting. feel free to ping me on -keystone or via private message. i'd be happy to answer keystone/federation related questions or forward them to the broader keystone team. | 15:53 | |
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| ad_ri3n_ | knikolla: thanks | 15:53 |
| ad_ri3n_ | sure | 15:53 |
| ad_ri3n_ | if you have any pointers please feel free to share it thanks | 15:54 |
| ad_ri3n_ | Ok thank msimonin | 15:54 |
| ad_ri3n_ | #topic open-discussions | 15:54 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | 4 minutes left | 15:54 |
| ad_ri3n_ | so is there any point guys you would like to discuss? | 15:54 |
| jdandrea | Not at this time. Absorbing "all the things." | 15:55 |
| parus | Vancouver plans? | 15:55 |
| parus | who is going? | 15:55 |
| ad_ri3n_ | jdandrea: it would be great if you can share more informations regarding the work you are doing at ATT | 15:56 |
| ad_ri3n_ | I saw your emails, in particular the ones regarding the MUSIC project | 15:56 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | but let's keep that for the next time (please feel free to add this to the agenda next time) | 15:56 |
| jdandrea | ad_ri3n_ Yes! I am not working directly on music, but a colleague is. It has now been moved under ONAP. | 15:56 |
| ad_ri3n_ | @parus yes | 15:56 |
| jdandrea | Sounds good. | 15:56 |
| ad_ri3n_ | vancouver… | 15:56 |
| ad_ri3n_ | so we are waiting to see which presentations have been selected | 15:57 |
| ad_ri3n_ | if everything is ok | 15:57 |
| ad_ri3n_ | we should come with a couple of folks from Inria | 15:57 |
| parus | one of mine has been accepted... so I will be going :-) | 15:57 |
| ad_ri3n_ | the other points to discuss is wether we want more than one slots | 15:57 |
| ad_ri3n_ | you already received your email ? | 15:57 |
| ad_ri3n_ | (fuck… ;) ) | 15:58 |
| parus | It was updated on web site.... no email yet. | 15:58 |
| ad_ri3n_ | (maybe this mean none from Inria was accepted) | 15:58 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ok | 15:58 |
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| * jdandrea crosses fingers for Inria | 15:58 | |
| ad_ri3n_ | so getting back to my first comment | 15:58 |
| ad_ri3n_ | maybe we should ask for more than one slot if we are enough people to come | 15:58 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | acutally I really would like to dive into details about the possible architecture with the goal of preventing us to reinvent the wheel once again | 15:59 |
| ad_ri3n_ | so let's discuss that point next time | 15:59 |
| ad_ri3n_ | time to conclude | 15:59 |
| ad_ri3n_ | thanks guys for joining the meeting | 15:59 |
| ad_ri3n_ | let's keep in touch on the pad or through the different MLs. | 15:59 |
| ad_ri3n_ | Thanks | 15:59 |
| marie | thanks | 15:59 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds/2018/fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds.2018-03-14-15.02.txt | 15:59 |
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| jungleboyj | #startmeeting cinder | 16:00 |
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| xyang | hi | 16:02 |
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| DuncanT | jungleboyj: Still a few traces around Dublin airport yesterday | 16:02 |
| abishop | o/ | 16:02 |
| geguileo | hi o/ | 16:02 |
| amito | hello o/ | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: Interesting. Still knee deep in my front yard here. Should get some melting this week though. | 16:02 |
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| walshh | We may have more for St. Patricks day!!!! | 16:02 |
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| jungleboyj | walshh: Well, the bars better stock up on beer and food then. | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, looks like we have a decent number here. Lets get started. | 16:03 |
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| jungleboyj | #topic announcements | 16:03 |
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| jungleboyj | So, I have started targeting patches as we discussed at the PTG. | 16:03 |
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| jungleboyj | I am using the format 'target-rocky-<milestone number>' | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | If you have a patch you are submitting that you feel should be targetted, please add it. | 16:04 |
| * jungleboyj marks smcginnis tardy | 16:04 | |
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| jungleboyj | Core reviewers, please add the tag where appropriate. | 16:04 |
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| jungleboyj | You can then search for target-rocky- comments and get a start on review priorities. | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | I have also added notes to our 'Contributor Guide' on how to use the tag. I think that patch merged. | 16:05 |
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| jungleboyj | No, it didn't. Need review. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/552094/ | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/552094/ | 16:06 |
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| DuncanT | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/cinder+status:open+comment:target-rocky- | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | Next announcement is that we have started our move to Storyboard ... in a small way. | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | A test migration for os-brick has been run: | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://storyboard-dev.openstack.org/#!/project_group/23 | 16:07 |
| amito | ouch, self-signed cert? | 16:07 |
| eharney | will the official location of os-brick when it's done for real be "/23"? | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | I haven't looked through the full result and how it maps from Launchpad to Storyboard but I would encourage everyone to take a look at that result and make sure it looks good. | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | It is also a place for us to start familiarizing ourselves with it. | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | amito: This is just a development location that infra was nice enough to set up for us. Not the final location. | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: I am not sure about that. | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | I think it may change when imported into the official instance. | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: That is my thought too. | 16:09 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Actually no, other ones that are out in storyboard.openstack.org use that format: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project_group/73 | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | :-( | 16:10 |
| geguileo | that's quite bad :-( | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | Suppose we could open an item on that and see if it can be fixed? | 16:10 |
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| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: diablo_rojo_phon ^^^ | 16:10 |
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| eharney | yeah, having random numbers in the url instead of a name is terrible | 16:11 |
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| jungleboyj | I will follow up on that question. | 16:11 |
| e0ne | eharney: +1 | 16:11 |
| eharney | will this handle bugs that span multiple projects? | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: Yes. | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Was asking about that yesterday I believe. | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | Why is our number bad? | 16:13 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I think the comment is more that it is numerical. You can't do storyboard.openstack.org/cinder | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | Could probably request aliases, but that's just how storyboard works. Each group has a number. | 16:14 |
| Swanson | Odd | 16:14 |
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| eharney | yeah... odd | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | Swanson: Could see if /24 is taken. Then it would be even. :P | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | @!h | 16:14 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj (/ .□.) ︵╰(゜Д゜)╯︵ /(.□. ) | 16:14 |
| * jungleboyj hates odd numbers | 16:14 | |
| smcginnis | At least it's a prime. | 16:15 |
| Swanson | smcginnis, If /24 isn't taken up my a dummy Kiefer Sutherland page I don't know what you're doing. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | Hah | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | So, please take a look at the os-brick migration. If there are questions or concerns please raise them so we can't make an informed decision about moving os-brick in the next few weeks. | 16:16 |
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| jungleboyj | :-) / 24 ... | 16:16 |
| eharney | i think the import didn't work right with large blocks of text | 16:16 |
| eharney | compare https://storyboard-dev.openstack.org/#!/story/1754303 to launchpad | 16:16 |
| * jungleboyj pictures Keifer riding our Cinder horse. | 16:16 | |
| eharney | it's missing line breaks and therefore unreadable? | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, that isn't good. | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | Oh yeah, that's not good. | 16:17 |
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| eharney | at least part of it is... in bold | 16:17 |
| eharney | i guess **kwargs got markdown'd | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | We should open a story for that. | 16:18 |
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| persia | Yes. LP interprets things as text by default, Storyboard interprets things as markdown by default. The importer could presumably block things, if that seems better. | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | #action jungleboyj to open a story to address missing newlines in stories migrated. | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | Hi persia ... | 16:18 |
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| jungleboyj | persia: Can it fix the missing newlines in traceback output, etc? | 16:19 |
| persia | jungleboyj: Theoretically, it can do anything. Creating a parser that comprehends tracebacks and does the right markdown thing may be a challenge. | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:20 |
| eharney | are all new bug reports going to be written in markdown? | 16:20 |
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| geguileo | that will be problematic for sure | 16:20 |
| eharney | er, "story" reports? | 16:20 |
| geguileo | lol | 16:20 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok, so we should get a story opened for this as when it comes to migrating Cinder, Nova, etc. That is going to be an issue. | 16:21 |
| eharney | migration is not that hard, you can just shove all imported fields into a markdown plain-text block etc... | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | story == bug ??? novel | 16:21 |
| eharney | but what happens for people filing bug reports expecting it to be plain text like every other bug tracker? | 16:21 |
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| persia | eharney: There is a "preview" button during story creation that may help with that, but yeah, it is a transition. | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, seems like a good idea that maybe wasn't fully thought through for implications. | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | :-\ | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | So, I don't want to get wrapped around the axel on this today. | 16:23 |
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| geguileo | Is there no way to set the default to text instead of markdown? | 16:23 |
| persia | jungleboyj: If you create stories about problems with migration, please add the "blocking-storyboard-migration" tag to make them easy to find. | 16:24 |
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| jungleboyj | I will get a bug opened. Please take a look at what is out there and put together concerns and we can raise them to the storyboard team. | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | persia: Cool. Will do. | 16:24 |
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| SotK | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/548342/ at least fixes the "missing newlines" part :) | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | SotK: Oh, so that has been resolved? | 16:25 |
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| SotK | somewhat yes | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | I will have diablo_rojo or fungi Rerun the os-brick test migration after that has merged then. | 16:26 |
| eharney | the imports will still be a mess due to ** being translated to bold | 16:26 |
| SotK | that patch at least makes pasted logs mostly readable, but as eharney says there are other issues it doesn't address | 16:26 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok. | 16:27 |
| DuncanT | JIRA does non-standard markdown parsing, and it's a giant pain in the proverbial | 16:27 |
| SotK | jungleboyj: you won't need to re-run the migration, the text is rendered by the webclient when its viewed | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | SotK: Oh, interesting. Ok. | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Not just their parsing. :) | 16:27 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: No, but it is one (of many) annoyances that we should possibly not copy | 16:28 |
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| jungleboyj | Anyway, this will be an ongoing discussion and transition. We ahve a lot more to talk about so I would like to move on. | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Very true. | 16:28 |
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| smcginnis | jungleboyj: ++ | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Rocky Priorities Review | 16:28 |
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| jungleboyj | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking | 16:28 |
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| jungleboyj | So, this is me being more leaderly and annoying. | 16:29 |
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| jungleboyj | I have all the info from the PTG in our approved/specs work section here and the specs we are working on approving below. | 16:29 |
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| jungleboyj | Please add your reviews here as we go. | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | I don't think we are missing anything at the moment based on the reviews I ahve seen. | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | I have updated the new drivers at the bottom. | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | I have targeted them to target-rocky-2 | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | The Lustre driver was removed. They abandoned it when we talked. | 16:31 |
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| jungleboyj | I am going to be bringing this up weekly and asking about it, so help keep it curated please. | 16:31 |
| jungleboyj | Any comments or concerns on that? | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | #topic HA development progress | 16:32 |
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| eharney | i suspect generic backup needs spec updates after the PTG, since it was already merged | 16:32 |
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| jungleboyj | geguileo: We talked about the fact we would touch on this weekly to keep it moving along. | 16:33 |
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| jungleboyj | geguileo: Any progress with HA documentation development, etc? | 16:33 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: not really :-( | 16:33 |
| geguileo | I'll try to get something started on the documentation | 16:33 |
| geguileo | this week | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: Ok, sounds good. | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: Good point. Should take a look at that spec again and make sure it is still accurate. | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: ? | 16:34 |
| eharney | it needs a lot of details added based on the discussion we had at PTG afaict | 16:34 |
| e0ne | eharney, jungleboyj: I'll update both a spec and a patch early next week | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | Paging e0ne ... Dr. e0ne to openstack-meeting stat | 16:35 |
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| jungleboyj | #action e0ne to update the spec and associated patch(es) . | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: e0ne Thank you. | 16:36 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: np | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | Any other comments on those general topics? | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | #topic On-boarding session in Vancouver. | 16:37 |
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| jungleboyj | We will be doing this again for Cinder. | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | Hope to have it co-scheduled with our project update. | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | I have asked for a double (80 minute) session as we have fully used the time in the past. | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | Will see what happens. | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | Is there anyone will/able to co-present with me? | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | *willing | 16:38 |
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| jungleboyj | Let me know if you are. Just want to make people aware of this now. | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: So you're thinking having an update followed immediately by onboarding? | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Yeah, that is an idea we have had to try to draw more people in. | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: I wonder how much of an overlap there actually is between those audiences. | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | Give the project update. You have people there and let them know what you are doing next ... onboarding. Hope you might get a few more people to stick around. | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Good question. | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, might be a way to pick up a few extra people maybe. | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Think it is worth a try. | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: It at least makes it easier for you as presenter, so there's at least that. ;) | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | :-) Until my voice dies. | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | #topic forum topic proposals | 16:41 |
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| jungleboyj | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-cinder-brainstorming | 16:41 |
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| jungleboyj | I have started our etherpad. We need to official submit topics in a week or two. | 16:42 |
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| jungleboyj | Please add topics that might be appropriate for the forum. | 16:42 |
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| jungleboyj | Remembering this is a chance to interact with consumers/operators. | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | That tempest one might be good to try to get QA involved and have a more general cross-project discussion. | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | But still good if it's just Cinder. | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:43 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: +1 | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | #action Team to add topic ideas | 16:44 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok, final topic. | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Policy checking conerns. | 16:44 |
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| jungleboyj | We have a bug: | 16:44 |
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| jungleboyj | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1714858 | 16:45 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1714858 in Cinder "Some APIs doesn't check the owner policy" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to TommyLike (hu-husheng) | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj | and a proposed patch | 16:45 |
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| jungleboyj | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/548650/ | 16:45 |
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| jungleboyj | eharney: Has concerns about the security aspect of this bug and the fact that no one really fully understands it or how to resolve it. | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj | We need to address this and figure out how we move forward. | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: Thoughts? | 16:46 |
| tommylikehu | I think the thing that we are not sure about this is how many APIs are affected | 16:46 |
| tommylikehu | and which one is really have security issue | 16:46 |
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| e0ne | tommylikehu: you we have a list of affected APIs now? | 16:47 |
| e0ne | *do we have | 16:47 |
| tommylikehu | e0ne: all I found are in the patches | 16:48 |
| tommylikehu | patch | 16:48 |
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| jungleboyj | Is there any way to ensure that we have found all the places where we have an issue? | 16:49 |
| tommylikehu | I agree with smcginnis we can fix this progressively and maybe that's the reason eharney pointed it out I should remove the close bug tag. | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: ++ | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | I would like to start getting patches for this in. | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | I'd rather see most cases fixed now, and we can watch for other instances going forwarded. | 16:49 |
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| jungleboyj | Make it a Partial-Bug and then continue to fix isses as we find them. | 16:50 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:50 |
| eharney | fixing it progressively is maybe ok, if we know the full list of issues... but we, at some point, have to be able to write a statement of what the impact is on people who deployed this code | 16:50 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: That sounds good. And maybe add notes to the bug that we've addressed the list of calls we found in the one patch and note that we are just not sure all cases are addressed. | 16:50 |
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| smcginnis | If we go a year or something without seeing any more, then we can just close the bug with a note saying we think it's addressed and new bugs will be filed if we find any more cases. | 16:51 |
| tommylikehu | jungleboyj: it's more complicated than we thought as some of the API resource or part of the policy enforcement code do not need this change because they can not have owner policys. | 16:51 |
| eharney | the commit message calls out an issue with reset_status but doesn't really explain what it is | 16:51 |
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| tommylikehu | eharney: the issue for that one is I can reset any volume's status if the corrsponding policy has been changed into admin_or_owner | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: That is fixed with the patch? | 16:53 |
| eharney | then that info needs to be provided in the bug for an ossa/ossn, even if it's a lower priority vulnerability | 16:53 |
| geguileo | tommylikehu: can you really change it? won't the get method fail based on the project/user filtering on the DB? | 16:53 |
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| tommylikehu | geguileo: where | 16:54 |
| geguileo | tommylikehu: don't we do a get of the volume? | 16:54 |
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| tommylikehu | jungleboyj: I guess so. | 16:54 |
| * jungleboyj would like a more confident response. | 16:55 | |
| jungleboyj | That seems like a problem that we need to get fixed. | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | Confidently. | 16:55 |
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| eharney | so, we're now at about two weeks of a public security bug report for this | 16:56 |
| eharney | we need to really close in on describing the problem adequately at least | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: ++ | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | We only have 3 minutes left here. | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | Can we at least agree on a plan going forward in that time? | 16:57 |
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| jungleboyj | I agree with getting the patch that is out there merged with it marked as 'Partial-Bug;. | 16:58 |
| tommylikehu | I should update the commit message and the bug fix tag before going forward? | 16:58 |
| tommylikehu | ok | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: Yes. | 16:58 |
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| eharney | what about the whole claim that some issues predated the changes in queens? i'm not sure if we should merge the current patch without understanding that part too | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | I also think we need to be confident that the reset status problem is fixed. | 16:59 |
| eharney | and that it's the only one... | 16:59 |
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| eharney | snapshot reset state didn't have a similar issue? | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | We are out of time. Lets take this over to the Cinder channel while we have tommylikehu | 17:00 |
| tommylikehu | ok | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks everyone for a good meeting and for your work on Cinder! | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 14 17:00:43 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-03-14-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-03-14-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-03-14-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| SotK | #startmeeting storyboard | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 14 19:00:27 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 19:00 |
| SotK | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard Agenda | 19:00 |
| diablo_rojo | I was just excited for the meeting I wanted to start an hour earlier. | 19:00 |
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| fungi | heh | 19:01 |
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| thingee | o/ | 19:01 |
| SotK | I don't think we have any announcements today | 19:01 |
| SotK | #topic In Progress Work | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "In Progress Work (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:01 | |
| diablo_rojo | Release Management migrated? | 19:01 |
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| fungi | yup | 19:02 |
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| diablo_rojo | I have the migration script change to handle suspended users in LP up for review. | 19:03 |
| fungi | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project_group/73 release management team project group | 19:03 |
| diablo_rojo | Yay! | 19:03 |
| SotK | \o/ | 19:04 |
| SotK | I'm glad the migrations seem to be building up a head of steam | 19:04 |
| diablo_rojo | Indeed :) | 19:04 |
| diablo_rojo | Getting attention | 19:04 |
| persia | I think the more that migrate, the more people get frustrated with not using Storyboard. | 19:04 |
| SotK | we just need to get that frustration to outweigh the frustration of having to change tools :) | 19:05 |
| diablo_rojo | Either way, I am happy we are making more and more progress. | 19:05 |
| SotK | me too | 19:05 |
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| diablo_rojo | So in progress work? I have the migration script change and one small webclient change to make VMT/ Security things more verbose | 19:06 |
| diablo_rojo | Would love some reviews :) | 19:06 |
| SotK | I sent a big wall of patches at PTG, most of which are making the UI feel nicer to me in various ways, but some of which address actual issues other people have raised | 19:06 |
| SotK | diablo_rojo: I'll try to find some time to review things soon, I've been busy with various things since PTG so far | 19:07 |
| persia | The name vs. number and new lines in markdown issues came up in the cinder meeting. Both have patches needing reviews. | 19:07 |
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| diablo_rojo | SotK, I think I have reviewed basically all of them, but will double check. I know there are a lot of things sitting in storyboard with one +2 on them. | 19:07 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, no worries. | 19:07 |
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| SotK | persia: I noticed that discussion, that also made me think that I should send a similar name vs number patch for project groups | 19:08 |
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| diablo_rojo | I will go through storyboard + webclient today and make sure everything I havent already looked at gets some attention before I go do anything else. | 19:08 |
| persia | SotK: good idea | 19:08 |
| fungi | when creating a new project group it prompts for a "url stub" but it's not entirely apprent to me what that gets used for | 19:09 |
| SotK | fungi: off the top of my head I also have no memory of what that is used for | 19:10 |
| persia | I think that might have been an incomplete feature to do project group overviews, mostly abandoned before the last DtoryBoard meeting in Vancouver. | 19:10 |
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| diablo_rojo | So something we could remove then? | 19:11 |
| persia | I think if StoryBoard is part of a bigger thing (like OpenStack Infra or Software Factory), it could be removed. | 19:11 |
| persia | I have not heard of anyone trying to build a do-everything system with StoryBoard as central in several years, so I think so. | 19:12 |
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| persia | If someone is doing that, they should be more visible :) | 19:12 |
| SotK | if that is the case I agree we should remove it | 19:13 |
| SotK | if anyone is secretly vehemently opposed to that they can complain | 19:13 |
| diablo_rojo | *crickets* | 19:14 |
| diablo_rojo | Other ongoing things, fungi how is the investigation about why gerrit stopped posting links on stories? | 19:14 |
| fungi | i just didn't know whether the url stub it was an incomplete solution to human-readable project group names | 19:14 |
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| persia | I could misremember. We should check the code before removing:) | 19:15 |
| fungi | diablo_rojo: best hope at the moment is that the reason its-storyboard stopped commenting on stories is related to changes we may have made to the commentlinks settings in gerrit around the time we upgraded to 2.13, or that the its-base framework changed what it expects out of those commentlinks/gerrit configuration in general | 19:16 |
| fungi | i haven't had time to test that hypothesis yet | 19:16 |
| diablo_rojo | No worries :) Just wondered if there were updates. | 19:16 |
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| fungi | worse reasons may include regressions in gerrit or its-base between 2.11 and 2.13 | 19:17 |
| fungi | which is likely going to require deeper grokking of java than i can manage | 19:17 |
| diablo_rojo | *fingers crossed its not that* | 19:17 |
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| fungi | yeah, tell me about it | 19:17 |
| fungi | i also haven't had time to do the utf8mb4 table conversions on storyboard-dev yet | 19:18 |
| diablo_rojo | I suppose we will cross that bridge if we get to it. | 19:18 |
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| fungi | to make sure i have the process down for subsequently doing the same on production | 19:18 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, its okay- the main reason for that is a few projects have users with emojis in their names | 19:18 |
| fungi | i'd like to couple those with moves to newer mysql versions for the trove instances we're using | 19:19 |
| SotK | yep, I'm sure we can find a Java fan somewhere if we have to | 19:19 |
| diablo_rojo | so we need to support it to migrate them or handle them some other way | 19:19 |
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| diablo_rojo | But we have plenty of other projects to handle migrating right now :) | 19:19 |
| SotK | indeed | 19:19 |
| SotK | I think that brings us nicely to the next topic | 19:19 |
| SotK | #topic Migration Updates | 19:20 |
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| diablo_rojo | Ironic has been test migrated. | 19:20 |
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| diablo_rojo | Migration will be announced at their meeting Monday for the following week I think. | 19:21 |
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| diablo_rojo | I am so excited to migrate them I can hardly stand it :) | 19:21 |
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| diablo_rojo | Manila also just finished migrating locally without issue so I will let tbarron know and he can decide how/when they want to proceed as well. | 19:21 |
| SotK | yeah, it is very exciting | 19:21 |
| SotK | I guess we probably want to get the "click this box for security bugs too" patch merged before then? | 19:22 |
| fungi | i've already +2'd it | 19:22 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah that would be great | 19:22 |
| diablo_rojo | Cause then Glance would be onboard to go too | 19:23 |
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| SotK | assuming they are happy trusting that people can follow clear instructions rather than the team automatically being added I guess | 19:23 |
| fungi | on a related note, i'm working on drafting the zuul team's vulnerability management process, from which the storyboard specifics will likely inform the openstack vmt's support of projects using sb for their task tracking as well | 19:23 |
| fungi | and we'll have some nice boilerplate prose explaining to users how to properly report suspected security vulnerbailities | 19:24 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, talked to the ex-PTL yesterday and he seemed to think it should be fine- will verify with the current PTL though | 19:24 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, that will be SUPER handy | 19:24 |
| SotK | fungi: that sounds good :) | 19:25 |
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| SotK | diablo_rojo: oh, nice | 19:25 |
| persia | Probably still worth being able to configure per-project-group security teams, but maybe at lower priority. | 19:26 |
| diablo_rojo | I was in like 10 channels talking storyboard over the last two days | 19:26 |
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| diablo_rojo | persia, yeah each team will want to set up their own $project coresec group | 19:26 |
| fungi | yeah, i mean we _can_ configure per-project-group security teams now | 19:26 |
| fungi | it just requires them to get a storyboard admin to do that for them | 19:26 |
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| SotK | persia: yep, I definitely agree | 19:26 |
| SotK | but "good enough" is a good place to start | 19:27 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, you were talking yesterday about that being something we could maybe define in project config and get imported into storyboard that way? | 19:27 |
| fungi | which is not entirely ideal, but we have time to come up with some sort of automation for that before our sb admins are overrun with sb team change requests | 19:27 |
| persia | Oh, I missed that. Is it just the UI integration that is missing? | 19:27 |
| diablo_rojo | So it doesn't have to be done by admins | 19:27 |
| fungi | yeah, i was thinking just a piece of automation using an administrative-privilege account which queries the api for groups, compares them to a set of files in a git repo, and then adjusts the groups in sb to match | 19:28 |
| fungi | er, s/groups/teams/ | 19:28 |
| diablo_rojo | That would be super awesome. Easy way for teams to control changes to the groups without needing us to make changes. | 19:29 |
| persia | Oh, interesting. I was thinking a config option that would be a default for a security checkbox. | 19:29 |
| fungi | oh, gotcha. different needs there right | 19:29 |
| SotK | persia: me too, I think being able to control team membership is one half of the issue, being able to mark a team as "coresec for $project" is the other half | 19:30 |
| fungi | so making teh default security team choice a per-project-group setting would probably not work | 19:30 |
| fungi | would need to be per-project i think | 19:30 |
| persia | Why? | 19:30 |
| fungi | because a single project can be in multiple groups | 19:30 |
| fungi | so it may get confusing if your project belongs to groups with different default securit settings (unless we just merge the default and add them all?) | 19:31 |
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| fungi | i suppose that's a reasonable alternative as long as everyone (or at least the sb admins) understands how that works | 19:31 |
| SotK | is there a good reason for going per-group rather than per-project? | 19:33 |
| fungi | as an alternative to maintaining group membership in revision control and writing some sort of sync-up automation, i wonder if we could add a setting to a team which allowed anyone who is a member of that team to be able to see and modify its membership? that's basically how we treat self-managed teams in gerrit today for access control | 19:33 |
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| fungi | and probably easier than having team owner accounts which gets into more explicit role-based access control | 19:33 |
| SotK | yeah I think that makes sense to have | 19:34 |
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| diablo_rojo | +1 | 19:34 |
| SotK | and certainly would be part of any "anyone can make a team and add folk to it" implementation in future anyway | 19:34 |
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| fungi | from a burden-to-the-admins perspective, i think being able to rely on admins to create groups and add an initial member to them is acceptable for now (again, we're doing that with gerrit anyway) | 19:36 |
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| fungi | er, s/groups/teams/ | 19:36 |
| fungi | gerrit calls them groups, so i keep confusing the terms | 19:36 |
| SotK | I will make a story for this stuff after the meeting then | 19:36 |
| fungi | for setting the default subscriber team for a project, i think we can probably manage that through revision control in the same place we put other project settings now (openstack-infra/project-config gerrit/projects.yaml) and just modify our manage-projects script to set that through the sb api (once such a setting exists) | 19:37 |
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| SotK | that seems sensible to me | 19:39 |
| diablo_rojo | That sounds like a good approach to me | 19:39 |
| fungi | we already use that today to say what project groups a project should belong to | 19:40 |
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| SotK | diablo_rojo: do we know when sahara and tripleo intend to begin migrating yet ooi? | 19:41 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, not currently. Reaching out to them to start doing that was on my todo list now that the script change has merged. | 19:42 |
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| SotK | cool, I'm looking forward to it happening | 19:44 |
| diablo_rojo | Me too. | 19:44 |
| diablo_rojo | So many migrations! | 19:44 |
| SotK | anything else on the migration front? | 19:45 |
| diablo_rojo | Don't think so | 19:45 |
| SotK | #topic Outreachy intern? | 19:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Outreachy intern? (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:45 | |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah, so I know there is a call out for intern proposals | 19:46 |
| diablo_rojo | And I know we have a lot of work to be done and most of it is small projects. | 19:46 |
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| diablo_rojo | I thought proposing some of the work- unit tests maybe would be a good idea for an internship? | 19:46 |
| diablo_rojo | The only issue is that we need to commit like 5 hours of mentorship a week. | 19:46 |
| diablo_rojo | Which is a lot for any one of us to handle. | 19:47 |
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| SotK | indeed, I certainly wouldn't want to commit to having 5 hours available myself for mentoring atm | 19:48 |
| diablo_rojo | Me neither. | 19:48 |
| diablo_rojo | But we could REAALLY use the extra hands on work. | 19:48 |
| SotK | yeah... | 19:49 |
| diablo_rojo | There is info about doing like co-mentorship | 19:49 |
| diablo_rojo | like multiple people mentoring the same person | 19:49 |
| SotK | that sounds more possible | 19:49 |
| SotK | though most of my free time is at the weekends | 19:49 |
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| diablo_rojo | SotK, yeah and we have no way of knowing what tz the intern would be in | 19:49 |
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| diablo_rojo | weekends might not be an issue | 19:50 |
| diablo_rojo | vkmc, around? | 19:50 |
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| diablo_rojo | (she is organizing outreachy the intern program) | 19:50 |
| vkmc | o/ | 19:50 |
| diablo_rojo | Hey :) | 19:50 |
| vkmc | hey :) | 19:50 |
| diablo_rojo | Talking about a possible proposal for outreachy internship | 19:50 |
| vkmc | that's great! | 19:51 |
| diablo_rojo | So co-mentoring.. | 19:51 |
| diablo_rojo | thats cool? | 19:51 |
| vkmc | main organizers put a deadline on internship ideas proposals | 19:51 |
| vkmc | so... unless the idea is proposed today | 19:51 |
| vkmc | I'm afraid we will need to wait til next round | 19:51 |
| diablo_rojo | Cause we have like twoish + people that could all lend a little time, but no specific one that could dedicate 5 hours | 19:51 |
| vkmc | I can help convincing them | 19:51 |
| diablo_rojo | I miiiight be able to get something together- depending on the details needed. | 19:52 |
| vkmc | is there people interested on working on the idea? | 19:52 |
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| diablo_rojo | Like mentees? | 19:52 |
| diablo_rojo | or mentors? | 19:52 |
| vkmc | like mentees | 19:52 |
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| vkmc | I'm understanding you have an internship idea and mentors | 19:52 |
| vkmc | and that you would like to propose the idea | 19:52 |
| diablo_rojo | Ah yeah no prospective mentees currently that I know of | 19:53 |
| vkmc | but maybe you have people interested already | 19:53 |
| vkmc | oh ok | 19:53 |
| SotK | none that I am aware of either | 19:53 |
| vkmc | so... we can try to get the idea accepted | 19:53 |
| vkmc | deadline for applications is 29th March | 19:53 |
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| vkmc | (extended one, the real one is the 22nd March) | 19:53 |
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| vkmc | so we have time for people to apply | 19:53 |
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| diablo_rojo | Okay so need a prospective intern for it by then? | 19:53 |
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| fungi | go bang on empty kegs near the local university campuses and see who comes running | 19:54 |
| diablo_rojo | Ha ha ha ha | 19:55 |
| diablo_rojo | Thanks for the info vkmc :) | 19:55 |
| diablo_rojo | So based on all of that...do we want to go for it? or wait till next round and maybe try then? | 19:56 |
| vkmc | no need... we can spread the word and cross fingers to get mentees | 19:56 |
| vkmc | thanks to you! | 19:56 |
| vkmc | let me know if I can be of any help | 19:56 |
| diablo_rojo | vkmc, I will let you know in a bit if I am throwing together a proposal today :) | 19:56 |
| diablo_rojo | Will do! | 19:56 |
| SotK | diablo_rojo: feel free to ping me if you decide to try and need any input :) | 19:57 |
| fungi | the up side is any proposal you write up for this round will probably still be mostly viable for the next round too if we don't manage to get one now | 19:57 |
| fungi | so not necessarily wasted effort even if we're turned down or can't find a suitable victim^H^H^H^H^H^Hmentee | 19:58 |
| diablo_rojo | So sounds like I should try..? | 19:58 |
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| diablo_rojo | Would you two have an hour or two to donate to comentoriship with me? | 19:59 |
| SotK | if you have time I think it would be good to try | 19:59 |
| SotK | I can find an hour or two, yeah | 19:59 |
| diablo_rojo | Okay cool. | 19:59 |
| SotK | right we are about out of time | 19:59 |
| diablo_rojo | Today turns into a writing day. I already had a super user post I had to write, but I will do this one first :) | 19:59 |
| SotK | if anyone has anything else to chat about, come to #storyboard | 20:00 |
| SotK | diablo_rojo: thanks! | 20:00 |
| diablo_rojo | Let me start an etherpad and start throwing stuff in- if you both want to help that would be super awesome | 20:00 |
| SotK | #endmeeting storyboard | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 14 20:00:25 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2018/storyboard.2018-03-14-19.00.html | 20:00 |
| diablo_rojo | I'll throw it in #storyboard in a sec | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2018/storyboard.2018-03-14-19.00.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2018/storyboard.2018-03-14-19.00.log.html | 20:00 |
| fungi | i can try to help, but i have a lot of trouble finding time already | 20:00 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 14 21:00:13 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
| timburke | o/ | 21:00 |
| m_kazuhiro | o/ | 21:00 |
| kei-ichi | o/ | 21:00 |
| kota_ | hello | 21:00 |
| torgomatic | o | 21:00 |
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| rledisez | hi o/ | 21:01 |
| zaitcev | o/ | 21:01 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: clayg: ping | 21:01 |
| clayg | yup, sorry - i'm here | 21:01 |
| clayg | thans | 21:01 |
| mathiasb | o/ | 21:01 |
| notmyname | good morning, afternoon, and evening to everyone | 21:02 |
| notmyname | agenda this week is at | 21:02 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | there's a few things that have been added, so let's get going | 21:02 |
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| acoles | hello | 21:02 |
| notmyname | #topic s3api | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "s3api (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:02 | |
| kota_ | my turn | 21:02 |
| notmyname | kota_: yep. what's going on with this feature branch | 21:03 |
| tdasilva | hello | 21:03 |
| kota_ | in this week, I've been started to work around cleanup/docs updates to get ready to propose it to the master | 21:03 |
| notmyname | #link https://trello.com/b/ZloaZ23t/s3api | 21:03 |
| kota_ | yes | 21:03 |
| notmyname | nice! | 21:04 |
| notmyname | kota_: when do you expect to have the merge proposal ready? | 21:04 |
| kota_ | I categorize the tasks to backlog and future works | 21:04 |
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| kota_ | notmyname: i'm still trying to get my effort in a month since the ptg. | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | no worries. I understand | 21:05 |
| notmyname | in dublin, we agreed that the feature/s3api merge would be to only bring in the existing swift3 codebase. all tests will pass and it will work if enabled, but no changes to any architecture or enabling anything by default | 21:05 |
| kota_ | talking on trello board | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | is that still the same plan you're working towards? | 21:05 |
| kota_ | i'm thinking, I put the items that we don't want to develop on feature/s3api immediately (i.e. will do after merged to the master) in the future work groups | 21:06 |
| notmyname | good | 21:06 |
| kota_ | so please checkout if my collection is correct (or not) | 21:06 |
| kota_ | notmyname: yes | 21:06 |
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| kota_ | so the remaining tasks in the backlog/in-progress are what I'd like to resolve for a monce. | 21:07 |
| kota_ | month. | 21:07 |
| notmyname | ok. it doesn't look like a lot. (and that's good) | 21:07 |
| kota_ | that is a summary for the updates | 21:08 |
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| kota_ | and then, one thing I'd like to get your help | 21:08 |
| notmyname | we're getting closer to when feature/deep will land something in master, so the biggest concern will be to make sure those two merges don't happen at the same time | 21:08 |
| kota_ | I had 3 outstanding patches for the work now | 21:08 |
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| kota_ | oic, nice to hear for feature/deep | 21:09 |
| kota_ | the patches are | 21:09 |
| kota_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/552853/ | 21:09 |
| patchbot | patch 552853 - swift (feature/s3api) - Update S3api Docs | 21:09 |
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| kota_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/552854/ | 21:09 |
| patchbot | patch 552854 - swift (feature/s3api) - Cleanup swift/common/middleware/s3api/test dir | 21:09 |
| kota_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/551273/ | 21:09 |
| patchbot | patch 551273 - swift (feature/s3api) - Avoid global CONF instance | 21:09 |
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| kota_ | in particular, I'd like to hear advice on the first one (docs) | 21:10 |
| kota_ | what's needed there. | 21:10 |
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| notmyname | ok | 21:10 |
| notmyname | I'll take a look | 21:10 |
| kota_ | because probably I know everything other than you all about s3api so I may be missing something. | 21:10 |
| notmyname | anything else for an update on this work? | 21:11 |
| kota_ | if you don't have any questions :) | 21:11 |
| kota_ | nothing | 21:11 |
| tdasilva | kota_: thanks for driving this work! | 21:12 |
| notmyname | +100! | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | #topic add force_auth_retry mode to python-swiftclient when got errors other than 401 | 21:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "add force_auth_retry mode to python-swiftclient when got errors other than 401 (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:12 | |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/551956/ | 21:12 |
| patchbot | patch 551956 - python-swiftclient - Add force auth retry mode in swiftclient | 21:12 |
| notmyname | kota_: this is your topic too | 21:12 |
| notmyname | kota_: what is the question we need to answer in this meeting? | 21:13 |
| kota_ | ah, short answer on the conflict with feature/deep, i don't think it's not so big matter because basically s3api touches on only middleware or docs. | 21:13 |
| kota_ | yeah | 21:13 |
| kota_ | the python-client thing | 21:13 |
| kota_ | I'd like to hear the feels it's better to have on swift community upstream | 21:13 |
| kota_ | let me describe short history of that. | 21:13 |
| kota_ | mainly described at the commit message. | 21:14 |
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| kota_ | the problem I'd like to resolve is the case using sort of reverse proxy(e.g. nginx/Load balancer) between the python-swiftclient - swift-proxy-server. | 21:14 |
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| kota_ | the reverse proxy can close the connected socket when it gets error response from swift-proxy. | 21:15 |
| kota_ | and it causes broken pipe (socket error, EPIPE) in the python-swiftclient, if python-swift client is still attempts to put the http body (e.g. put object) | 21:16 |
| notmyname | so the proxy is hiding the 401 response by simply closing the socket, and swiftclient doesn't reauth because it never saw the 401 | 21:17 |
| kota_ | the best way to resolve it, is supporting expext: 100-continue header in the client but it seems to be hard to get in immediately . | 21:17 |
| kota_ | notmyname: yes | 21:17 |
| timburke | i think the 401 gets sent, *but the client hasn't read it* | 21:17 |
| kota_ | timburke: correct | 21:18 |
| kota_ | but i don't think we have the way to read it after the socket was closed... right? | 21:18 |
| kota_ | so the proposal on the patch is to add a mode to force the re-auth on any errors. | 21:18 |
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| kota_ | i know, it's not straight forward to resolve the problem, just mitigation. | 21:19 |
| timburke | not sure -- i haven't had a chance to play around with it... | 21:19 |
| notmyname | ok, that seems reasonable | 21:19 |
| notmyname | sounds like it was a fun issue to debug | 21:19 |
| notmyname | "fun" | 21:19 |
| notmyname | clayg already has a +2 on it | 21:20 |
| kota_ | so my point is that. | 21:20 |
| clayg | heck yeah! | 21:20 |
| kota_ | thanks clayg! | 21:20 |
| notmyname | matt left an earlier review, but he's not hear right now. perhaps he'll be able to pick it up again and give another review? | 21:20 |
| kota_ | maybe | 21:21 |
| kota_ | I'll poke him later again | 21:21 |
| notmyname | I said something to him in -swift about it, too | 21:21 |
| notmyname | kota_: thanks | 21:21 |
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| notmyname | ok, on the theme of bugs, I'm going to skip around just briefly... bear with me kei-ichi | 21:22 |
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| notmyname | #topic multiple or bad url quoting | 21:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "multiple or bad url quoting (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:22 | |
| notmyname | https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1755554 | 21:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1755554 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "Percent signs in object names cause trouble for versioned_writes" [High,Confirmed] | 21:22 |
| kei-ichi | np | 21:22 |
| notmyname | we found this bug yesterday | 21:22 |
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| notmyname | timburke gave a good summary of the issue | 21:23 |
| timburke | "we suck at URL quoting" | 21:23 |
| clayg | 🤣 | 21:23 |
| notmyname | I wanted to bring it up in the meeting because (1) I'd love to find someone who will volunteer to work on a fix and (2) ask if it should be "critical" instead of "high" | 21:23 |
| notmyname | timburke: perfect summary :-) | 21:24 |
| clayg | idk, it's not a regression - it's just always been this way hasn't it? | 21:24 |
| notmyname | I don't know. perhaps the rewrite to versioned_middleware broke it? | 21:24 |
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| timburke | i still have torgomatic's https://gist.github.com/smerritt/ca5a6701d46c55b43059e4d0e302c2f9 up in a tab... in case i ever find myself with a surplus of time... | 21:25 |
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| timburke | the big bad (imo) is that versioning flat out *doesn't work* for some objects | 21:25 |
| timburke | you think you've got versioning enabled, go overwrite an object *and it's gone* | 21:26 |
| clayg | not great | 21:26 |
| kota_ | too bad | 21:26 |
| notmyname | yeah, that's where I get the question of "critical" | 21:26 |
| notmyname | really, if we've got someone working on a patch, the difference between high and critical is holding a release for the critical patch to land. and, to be fair, we don't have a release scheduled soon (just lots of other stuff going on) | 21:27 |
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| notmyname | so the most important question is this: "can someone volunteer to work on a patch for this bug?" | 21:28 |
| notmyname | (please, not everyone at once) | 21:29 |
| clayg | 👃👈 | 21:29 |
| timburke | i might be able to? but almost certainly not this week | 21:29 |
| kota_ | me too, it might be able to. | 21:29 |
| notmyname | ok. timburke and kota_, thank you | 21:30 |
| notmyname | I'll leave it on the agenda for next week, and we'll see if you've had a chance to look at it | 21:30 |
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| notmyname | #topic slogging | 21:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "slogging (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:30 | |
| notmyname | last topic on the agenda | 21:31 |
| kei-ichi | This is mine. | 21:31 |
| kei-ichi | I would like to confirm that which channel should I use to inform slogging event. | 21:31 |
| kei-ichi | Firstly I plan to create new channel named "#openstack-slogging" and sent patch to project-config repository. --> plan-1 | 21:31 |
| kei-ichi | Now infra-team give me a comment that is it really mandatory.(send to swift channel --> plan-2) | 21:31 |
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| notmyname | if you remember from dublin, we talked with kei-ichi about him moving slogging into an openstack namespace | 21:31 |
| kei-ichi | yes | 21:31 |
| kei-ichi | this is my patch to openstack-infra/project-config https://review.openstack.org/552282 | 21:32 |
| patchbot | patch 552282 - openstack-infra/project-config - Add slogging projects | 21:32 |
| notmyname | here's a question to everyone: would anyone object to having slogging patches reported in the #openstack-swift channel? this implies that discussion about those patches may also happen in the -swift channel | 21:32 |
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| acoles | no | 21:32 |
| acoles | no objection I mean | 21:32 |
| kei-ichi | I think, this time slogging will be created as separate repository from swift so I think IRC channel should also be separated. (means plan-1) | 21:33 |
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| kei-ichi | I would like to hear about this point to swift team prior to fixing patch. | 21:33 |
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| notmyname | kei-ichi: I believe the -infra team has concerns about the number of channels that they manage and that are supported by the IRC server and that's why the like to consolidate when possible | 21:33 |
| notmyname | eg a bot can only be in a certain number of channels at a time | 21:34 |
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| kei-ichi | I understood. | 21:34 |
| tdasilva | i think it makes sense to have it in the -swift channel | 21:34 |
| timburke | it seems like the target audiences would be similar, as well. i know we've gotten a fair number of swift3 questions in #openstack-swift, despite there being a separate #swift3 channel | 21:34 |
| notmyname | I agree that slogging should be separate from swift in governance (eg not relying on swift-core for patches or releases), but I would almost prefer to have slogging updates in -swift instead of separate | 21:35 |
| kota_ | timburke: +1 | 21:35 |
| notmyname | ...base on exactly what timburke just said | 21:35 |
| kei-ichi | OK, so same as liberasurecode, can I use -swift channel to inform ? | 21:35 |
| tdasilva | which means we should shutdown swift3 channel at some point?? | 21:35 |
| clayg | tdasilva: +1 | 21:35 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: we should do that anyway because of feature/s3api | 21:36 |
| tdasilva | right | 21:36 |
| kota_ | tdasilva: after, we get merged feature/s3api | 21:36 |
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| notmyname | kei-ichi: are you ok with having your updates go to -swift? | 21:36 |
| * tdasilva has considered shutting down swiftonfile too | 21:36 | |
| notmyname | tdasilva: there's a swiftonfile? ;-) | 21:36 |
| clayg | i think more traffic in openstack-swift is generally a good thing - I don't mind a variety of topics. | 21:36 |
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| notmyname | clayg: yes!! | 21:36 |
| kei-ichi | yes, patch is really simple, so it is easy to fix. | 21:36 |
| notmyname | I don't expect slogging to have enough activity to overwhelm us in -swift | 21:36 |
| kei-ichi | I think so. So I'll fix patch so that information will be sent to -swift channel | 21:37 |
| kei-ichi | would that be okay? | 21:37 |
| notmyname | kei-ichi: so what I'm hearing from everyone, not only are we happy to see you work on a project related to swift so that more people can use it, we want you to do it with us! | 21:37 |
| notmyname | kei-ichi: yes! | 21:37 |
| kei-ichi | Thank you notmyname ! | 21:38 |
| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 21:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:38 | |
| notmyname | anything else to cover this week? | 21:38 |
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| notmyname | I take that as a "no" | 21:39 |
| timburke | i've said it repeatedly already, but just wanted to give another thank you to acoles for getting sharding probe tests going in zuul v3! | 21:39 |
| notmyname | thank you everyone for your work on swift | 21:39 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:39 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 14 21:39:35 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-03-14-21.00.html | 21:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-03-14-21.00.txt | 21:39 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-03-14-21.00.log.html | 21:39 |
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