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| samP | Hi all for Masakari | 04:00 |
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| samP | #startmeeting masakari | 04:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 10 04:00:06 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is samP. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 04:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'masakari' | 04:00 |
| tpatil | Hi | 04:00 |
| samP | Hi all | 04:00 |
| niraj_singh | Hi | 04:00 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | Hi | 04:00 |
| samP | sorry for last 2 weeks, wasn't able to do much work. | 04:00 |
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| samP | #topic Bugs/Patches | 04:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs/Patches (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 04:01 | |
| samP | Any bugs or patches need to discuss? | 04:01 |
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| tpatil | Change service type patches are on hold as these patches won't be needed after newer version of openstacksdk is released | 04:02 |
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| samP | tpatil: got it | 04:02 |
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| tpatil | # link : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/536668/ | 04:03 |
| tpatil | Need to find out when openstacksdk team will release newer version | 04:03 |
| tpatil | becoz the current master branch is totally broken | 04:04 |
| samP | tpatil: let's ask in ML | 04:04 |
| tpatil | ok | 04:04 |
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| tpatil | Louie has requested to review his specs and patches | 04:06 |
| tpatil | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/547118/ | 04:06 |
| tpatil | # link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/534958/ | 04:06 |
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| tpatil | I have started reviewing his implementation | 04:07 |
| tpatil | Do you have any comments on his specs? | 04:07 |
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| samP | tpatil: No comments on specs from my side. | 04:08 |
| samP | tpatil: I partially review the implementation. since it is a large patch, nee more time. | 04:09 |
| tpatil | samP: Mee too, it's taking lot of time | 04:10 |
| samP | I'll try my best to pass comments as soon as possible. | 04:10 |
| tpatil | Great!! | 04:10 |
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| samP | But for the spec, if you have no comments, please mark your +1 for that. | 04:11 |
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| samP | I will +1 for workflow | 04:11 |
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| tpatil | Dinesh has voted -1 and the author will need to address his comments | 04:11 |
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| tpatil | Dinesh_Bhor: Did you propose a patch in masakari-specs to add rocky folder? | 04:12 |
| samP | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469070/ | 04:12 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor | tpatil: Not yet, I will propose it soon | 04:12 |
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| samP | Dinesh_Bhor: thanks | 04:13 |
| tpatil | Dinesh_Bhor: Thank you | 04:13 |
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| samP | I will ask Greg to move the spec once we create the directory | 04:15 |
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| samP | I would like to know the current status of masakari command | 04:17 |
| samP | sorry for me not in touch | 04:17 |
| samP | rkmrHonjo: you propose a new patch? | 04:17 |
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| tpatil | There is a dependency on newer version of openstacksdk | 04:17 |
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| samP | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557634/ | 04:18 |
| samP | ^^ is this the one? | 04:18 |
| tpatil | samP: Correct | 04:18 |
| samP | humm, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/555710/ is merged | 04:20 |
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| samP | for stable/queens, this is still valid, | 04:21 |
| samP | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/553319/ | 04:21 |
| tpatil | Yes | 04:22 |
| samP | ^^ sorry for the delay. I will review and merge this and then push a new version for python-masakariclient | 04:22 |
| samP | tpatil: thanks | 04:23 |
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| samP | Any other bugs or patches need to discuss? | 04:23 |
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| samP | Dinesh_Bhor: thanks for uwsgi support | 04:25 |
| tpatil | # link : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/559051 | 04:25 |
| samP | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/553319/ | 04:25 |
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| tpatil | In this patch, policy.json is referenced. But I have added one new item in rocky etherpad to Register and Document Policy in Code | 04:26 |
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| tpatil | # link : https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/masakari-rocky-work-items | 04:26 |
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| tpatil | If we decide to implement policy changes, then no need to add policy.json in data_files in the above patch | 04:28 |
| tpatil | I have added three new items for Rocky, please check lines #49-54 | 04:28 |
| tpatil | All these new items are community wide goal | 04:29 |
| tpatil | and I think it's applicable for Masakari as well | 04:29 |
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| samP | tpatil: thanks. mutable configs, mox3, and doc policy in code | 04:29 |
| tpatil | correct | 04:29 |
| samP | tpatil: it is. | 04:29 |
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| samP | tpatil: I think above patch is based on current code base of masakari, where policy.json has fixed content | 04:30 |
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| samP | tpatil: In that point of view, policy.json could be shipped in data_files | 04:31 |
| tpatil | samP: That's true, but if we decide to implement policy in code, then no need to mention policy.json in data_files | 04:32 |
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| samP | tpatil: agree. | 04:32 |
| tpatil | it's only needed if operator wants to override default policy | 04:32 |
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| samP | tpatil: noob question: how operator finds sample policy file to edit? | 04:34 |
| samP | tpatil: agree. after implementing policy in code, we don't need policy.json in /etc/masakari | 04:35 |
| tpatil | There is a policy generator tool that you can use to generate policy.json | 04:35 |
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| samP | https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/oslo-specs/specs/newton/policy-sample-generation.html | 04:37 |
| samP | #link https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/oslo-specs/specs/newton/policy-sample-generation.html | 04:37 |
| samP | I guess ^^ | 04:37 |
| samP | tpatil: got it. I will look for that later. | 04:38 |
| samP | I will put my comments on that patch | 04:38 |
| tpatil | samP: OK, nova example : https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/etc/nova/nova-policy-generator.conf | 04:38 |
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| tpatil | this is the command to generate policy : tox -egenpolicy | 04:39 |
| samP | tpatil: thanks for the info | 04:39 |
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| samP | Any other bugs or patches? | 04:41 |
| niraj_singh | masakaridashboard patches are up for community review waiting for openstacksdk release | 04:41 |
| niraj_singh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/543870/ | 04:42 |
| samP | niraj_singh: thanks | 04:42 |
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| samP | niraj_singh: I think you also waiting for this vv | 04:43 |
| samP | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/555710/ | 04:43 |
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| samP | ah, yes, it's in tpatil's comment | 04:43 |
| niraj_singh | yes | 04:44 |
| samP | niraj_singh: thanks, I did a recheck for zuul -1, I will review this | 04:45 |
| niraj_singh | ok thank you | 04:45 |
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| tpatil | samP: recheck won't help as openstacksdk newer version is not yet released | 04:46 |
| tpatil | samP: Niraj has confirmed his dashboard changes are working as expected after updating his dev environment with latest openstacksdk master branch | 04:47 |
| samP | tpatil: oh yes. thanks | 04:47 |
| tpatil | We need newer version of openstacksdk badly | 04:48 |
| samP | tpatil: understand, let's ask it on ML | 04:48 |
| tpatil | samP: Yes | 04:49 |
| samP | I will talk to release team and monty | 04:49 |
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| tpatil | That will be great, Thank you | 04:50 |
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| samP | #topic Discussion points | 04:50 |
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| samP | About next release, | 04:50 |
| samP | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557968/ | 04:51 |
| samP | Now we have 4 projects for Rocky release. We have follow the deadline | 04:52 |
| samP | #link https://releases.openstack.org/rocky/schedule.html | 04:52 |
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| samP | Next milestone is Jun 04 - Jun 08 R-12 | 04:53 |
| samP | Rocky-2 milestone | 04:53 |
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| samP | And I got 2 session for masakari in Vancouver summit | 04:54 |
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| samP | Project Update and Project Onboarding | 04:54 |
| samP | Please let me know if you would like to talk in sessions | 04:55 |
| tpatil | Great | 04:55 |
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| tpatil | This time I might not visit Vancouver summit | 04:56 |
| samP | tpatil: really? | 04:56 |
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| samP | That's too bad ;), anyway how about other members? | 04:57 |
| tpatil | I will update you about it in the next week | 04:57 |
| samP | tpatil: sure.. | 04:57 |
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| samP | please let me know if you would like to talk, specially in project update session | 04:58 |
| tpatil | samP: Sure | 04:58 |
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| samP | please consider | 04:59 |
| samP | We only have 1 mins left | 04:59 |
| samP | Thanks you all for your time | 04:59 |
| samP | Please use IRC #openstack-masakri or ML with [masakari] for further discussions | 04:59 |
| samP | Thanks again.. | 04:59 |
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| samP | #endmeeting | 05:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 05:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 10 05:00:04 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 05:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2018/masakari.2018-04-10-04.00.html | 05:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2018/masakari.2018-04-10-04.00.txt | 05:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2018/masakari.2018-04-10-04.00.log.html | 05:00 |
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| XueFeng | #startmeeting senlin | 13:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 10 13:03:18 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is XueFeng. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'senlin' | 13:03 |
| XueFeng | hi,all | 13:03 |
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| chenyb4_ | hi, XueFeng | 13:05 |
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| XueFeng | hi,chenyb4_ | 13:05 |
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| XueFeng | No things need to discuss this week. We will end meeting | 13:07 |
| XueFeng | #endmeeting | 13:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 13:07 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 10 13:07:33 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:07 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2018/senlin.2018-04-10-13.03.html | 13:07 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2018/senlin.2018-04-10-13.03.txt | 13:07 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2018/senlin.2018-04-10-13.03.log.html | 13:07 |
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| jlibosva | #startmeeting networking | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 10 14:00:21 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jlibosva. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 14:00 |
| jlibosva | Hi everybody | 14:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 14:00 |
| annp_ | hi jlibosva | 14:00 |
| hongbin | o/ | 14:00 |
| slaweq | hi | 14:00 |
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| lajoskatona_ | o/ | 14:00 |
| annp_ | hi | 14:00 |
| jlibosva | #topic Announcements | 14:00 |
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| rubasov | hello | 14:01 |
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| pasuder | hello | 14:01 |
| jlibosva | The Rocky 1 milestone is approaching, should be done in the week of Apr 16 | 14:01 |
| jlibosva | #link https://releases.openstack.org/rocky/schedule.html#r-1 | 14:01 |
| amotoki | hello | 14:01 |
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| jlibosva | and so is Vancouver Summit where will be the usual The Forum, which is still collecting ideas | 14:02 |
| jlibosva | #link http://forumtopics.openstack.org/ | 14:02 |
| jlibosva | The deadline is the end of this week | 14:02 |
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| jlibosva | so if you have a topic you think should be discussed there, feel free to propose it | 14:02 |
| mlavalle | I have a few ideas that I am going to propose | 14:02 |
| jlibosva | I also see mlavalle started an etherpad to collect topics Neutron rleated | 14:03 |
| jlibosva | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-neutron-brainstorming | 14:03 |
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| jlibosva | Next thing I wanted to highlight is this email from openstack-dev ML related to Zuul | 14:03 |
| jlibosva | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-April/129217.html | 14:03 |
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| jlibosva | and the last announcement I see on the wikipage is that we're looking for release team liaison | 14:04 |
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| jlibosva | More information about the role can be found here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#Release_management | 14:05 |
| mlavalle | yeap, armax will be transiotioning out of that role soon | 14:05 |
| jlibosva | :( | 14:05 |
| jlibosva | that's all from my side | 14:05 |
| mlavalle | he will provide guidance to the new person during the transition | 14:05 |
| jlibosva | mlavalle: do you have anything else to announce? | 14:05 |
| mlavalle | Nope | 14:05 |
| amotoki | I can volunteer it for the release liaison if nobody is interested in it. | 14:05 |
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| jlibosva | amotoki++ | 14:05 |
| mlavalle | amotoki: great! Thank you! | 14:06 |
| jlibosva | anybody else has anything to announce here? | 14:06 |
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| jlibosva | ok, let's move on then :) | 14:06 |
| * mlavalle is happy our releases will be in good hands :-) | 14:06 | |
| jlibosva | #topic Blueprints | 14:06 |
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| jlibosva | current blueprints for this milestones can be found here: | 14:06 |
| jlibosva | #link #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/rocky-1 | 14:07 |
| jlibosva | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/rocky-1 | 14:07 |
| jlibosva | way too much #links :) | 14:07 |
| mlavalle | LOL | 14:07 |
| mlavalle | I want to note that last week I added https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/neutron-lib-decouple-db | 14:08 |
| pasuder | For last few weeks I did not touch this adoption of existing subnet into a subnetpool.. sorry for that. | 14:08 |
| mlavalle | per boden's request | 14:08 |
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| mlavalle | in that blueeprint there is a gerrit topic | 14:08 |
| mlavalle | if you click on it you will see the patches under reviw | 14:09 |
| mlavalle | at the top you will see a couple of specs | 14:09 |
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| mlavalle | That I +2ed last week | 14:09 |
| mlavalle | if you have time, please check them out | 14:09 |
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| mlavalle | and give your feedback | 14:09 |
| amotoki | .... I forgot to review them after PTG. | 14:10 |
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| bcafarel | late o/ | 14:10 |
| jlibosva | bcafarel: \o/ | 14:10 |
| mlavalle | I also added https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/extend-logging-to-fwassv2.0 | 14:10 |
| mlavalle | last week | 14:10 |
| mlavalle | annp_: Is that something you care about ^^^? | 14:11 |
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| jlibosva | I think it's hoangcx who's working on it, no? ^^ | 14:11 |
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| mlavalle | jlibosva: yesh, I think you are right | 14:12 |
| mlavalle | anyway, it is visible now in our dashboard | 14:12 |
| jlibosva | cool :) | 14:12 |
| jlibosva | I plan to keep an eye on that one as it's related to logging I reviewed last cycle | 14:12 |
| mlavalle | pasuder: thanks for the update. let us know if we can help in any way | 14:12 |
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| annp_ | mlavalle, hoangcx and cuongnv who are main responsible for that | 14:12 |
| pasuder | mlavalle | 14:12 |
| pasuder | ok | 14:12 |
| reedip | o/ | 14:12 |
| amotoki | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bug/1720727 looks a better link | 14:12 |
| toshii | this time it's iptables isn't it. ;) | 14:13 |
| amotoki | which includes neutron-fwaas | 14:13 |
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| mlavalle | I also want to give a quick update on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/live-migration-portbinding | 14:13 |
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| mlavalle | as of last week, I tested in my dev environent activating bindings and moving the port to the activated host | 14:14 |
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| mlavalle | this was done from ovs to ovs | 14:14 |
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| mlavalle | and it works fine with the current version of the code | 14:14 |
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| mlavalle | Yesterday a setup everythin to do the same from OVS to LB and back | 14:15 |
| mlavalle | I will be testing it the rest of this week | 14:15 |
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| amotoki | interesting, you tested from ovs to LB and back before LB to LB :) | 14:16 |
| jlibosva | mlavalle: just a personal note that OVS + iptables fw driver to OVS + ovs fw driver would be also an interesting use case :) | 14:16 |
| pasuder | I need to leave meeting right now, sorry, bye! | 14:16 |
| jlibosva | pasuder: o/ | 14:16 |
| mlavalle | amotoki: I'll still test LB to LB | 14:16 |
| mlavalle | jlibosva: good advice, thanks | 14:16 |
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| slaweq | mlavalle: what about sr-iov to/from ovs/lb ? | 14:17 |
| slaweq | will You test it also or it's not the case here? | 14:17 |
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| mlavalle | slaweq: yeah, that also needs to be tested. taking bay steps for the time being | 14:17 |
| slaweq | k | 14:17 |
| mlavalle | moving from ovs to lb will show we can change backend | 14:18 |
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| mlavalle | pasuder: np, good night! | 14:18 |
| amotoki | but it sounds challenging to migrate SR-IOV from/to normal virt driver(s) as it requires VM side support | 14:18 |
| mlavalle | yeah, it won't be trivial | 14:19 |
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| amotoki | perhaps we can focus on migrations among virt drivers like ovs-fw, ovs iptables and LB. | 14:19 |
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| mlavalle | that is an option | 14:20 |
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| amotoki | * as first step | 14:20 |
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| mlavalle | of course | 14:20 |
| * jlibosva nods | 14:20 | |
| slaweq | I agree :) | 14:20 |
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| * mlavalle will stop hogging the blueprints topic now | 14:21 | |
| jlibosva | anything else related to BPs? | 14:21 |
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| boden | jlibosva hi | 14:21 |
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| jlibosva | boden: hi | 14:21 |
| amotoki | annp_: do you want to share your progress/status on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/run-in-wsgi-server ? | 14:21 |
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| boden | jlibosva a friendly reminder that the decouple db plubming patches are out for review (https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/neutronlib-decouple-db+(status:open+OR+status:merged)) | 14:22 |
| mlavalle | boden: I covered that already | 14:22 |
| boden | mlavalle: ack sorry I just joined | 14:22 |
| mlavalle | and highlighted the specs | 14:22 |
| annp_ | amotoki, actually, I'm still get stuck with neutron-rpc-server | 14:23 |
| jlibosva | rather to have it highlighted twice than zero :) | 14:23 |
| mlavalle | absolutely +++ | 14:23 |
| boden | my bad.. this meeting time isn’t easy for me so will be late | 14:23 |
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| jlibosva | boden: no worries :) | 14:23 |
| mlavalle | ++ | 14:24 |
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| annp_ | today, I have discussed with amotoki about that. I will dig more the amotoki's point. So I think no worth thing to mention here. | 14:24 |
| jlibosva | annp_: do you need any help with the rpc server? | 14:24 |
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| annp_ | This week I will spend more time for this task | 14:24 |
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| jlibosva | ok, so seems like amotoki is helping out :) nice | 14:24 |
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| annp_ | So please go ahead! | 14:24 |
| jlibosva | ok, I think we can move on now | 14:24 |
| jlibosva | #topic Community Goals | 14:24 |
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| jlibosva | is there anything related to community goals that anybody wants to inform us about? | 14:25 |
| mlavalle | just highlight the RFE in the wiki | 14:25 |
| slaweq | about mutable configs I think we are done | 14:26 |
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| slaweq | patch is merged to neutron-dynamic-routing and neutron repos | 14:26 |
| mlavalle | slaweq: Nice! Thanks! | 14:26 |
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| mlavalle | the RFE I want to highlight is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1745192 | 14:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1745192 in neutron "Can't create a vlan transparent network in mixed driver environment" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 14:26 |
| slaweq | it wasn't necessary anywhere else, I send patch neutron-lbaas also but I don't know if they will accept it | 14:26 |
| mlavalle | itthat RFE is deemed to be good for beginners | 14:27 |
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| mlavalle | and it's up for grabs | 14:27 |
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| mlavalle | we have had good success with this section | 14:27 |
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| mlavalle | all the RFEs that we hav highlighted have been taken | 14:27 |
| jlibosva | mlavalle: so I think you're talking now about the starter RFEs, right? :) | 14:28 |
| mlavalle | the last one was taken by hongbin, thanks! | 14:28 |
| mlavalle | jlibosva: duhhh, yeah | 14:28 |
| mlavalle | sorry about that | 14:28 |
| annp_ | jlibosva, thank you so much. I'll reach out you on neutron channel later. :) | 14:28 |
| amotoki | mox removal is good progress. the last one is networking-midonet and we are waiting for the merge. | 14:28 |
| mlavalle | so carry on with community goals | 14:28 |
| amotoki | policy-in-code is a bit slow-progress due to my busy life... | 14:29 |
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| jlibosva | I have no updates on py3 front, I was OOO last week but I plan to dig into it. I saw the oslo.rootwrap issue with eventlet is stall | 14:29 |
| amotoki | i will to move this forward next two weeks, but if it fails I will raise it here | 14:29 |
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| amotoki | *will try to move* | 14:29 |
| boden | FYI: I think there’s some related discussion on the plumbing for this on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/539281/ | 14:30 |
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| amotoki | boden: yeah, thanks for your comments. | 14:30 |
| amotoki | it seems reasonable to move the policy stuff to me now. | 14:30 |
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| jlibosva | thanks boden for highlighting it here | 14:32 |
| jlibosva | anybody else has anything related to community goals? | 14:32 |
| jlibosva | I think we can move on then :) | 14:33 |
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| jlibosva | #topic Starter Approved RFEs | 14:33 |
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| mlavalle | I already jumped the gun with this topic | 14:33 |
| jlibosva | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1745192 | 14:33 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1745192 in neutron "Can't create a vlan transparent network in mixed driver environment" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 14:33 |
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| jlibosva | I'll just leave the link here for the meeting minutes :) | 14:34 |
| mlavalle | yeap, thanks! | 14:34 |
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| jlibosva | is there anything else to be added or shall me move on? | 14:34 |
| mlavalle | let's move on | 14:34 |
| jlibosva | k | 14:34 |
| jlibosva | #topic Bugs | 14:34 |
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| jlibosva | lujinluo was bug deputy last week | 14:35 |
| jlibosva | he sent out a report earlier | 14:35 |
| jlibosva | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-April/129197.html | 14:35 |
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| mlavalle | she sent.... ;-) | 14:36 |
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| jlibosva | oh ... my apologies | 14:36 |
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| jlibosva | so I think from the report we should prioritize https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1760047 | 14:36 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1760047 in neutron "some ports does not become ACTIVE during provisioning" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 14:36 |
| mlavalle | yeah | 14:37 |
| mlavalle | we should take a look at that one | 14:37 |
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| jlibosva | it has a good troubleshooting in the comments, I would say this is a high importance? | 14:38 |
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| mlavalle | Agree | 14:38 |
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| jlibosva | ok, then we have two bugs that are not triaged: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1761555 | 14:39 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1761555 in neutron "[dvr][fast-exit] router add/remove subnet operations are not idempotent" [Medium,New] | 14:39 |
| jlibosva | and https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1761591 | 14:39 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1761591 in neutron "[dvr] enable_snat attribute is ignored - centralized snat port gets created" [Undecided,New] | 14:39 |
| jlibosva | Swami is helping there | 14:39 |
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| mlavalle | we can discuss those two during the L3 meeting on THursday | 14:40 |
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| mlavalle | they will come up there | 14:40 |
| jlibosva | ok, thanks | 14:40 |
| jlibosva | all other bugs from the report seem to be triaged well | 14:40 |
| mlavalle | and the RFE is actually the result of the Neutron Drivers meeting discussion last Friday | 14:40 |
| jlibosva | the bug deputy for this week is yamamoto | 14:41 |
| jlibosva | does anybody know if he's aware of it? he's not online now | 14:41 |
| mlavalle | mhhhh, amotoki and I know he travelling in Barcelona this week | 14:41 |
| jlibosva | oh | 14:41 |
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| mlavalle | so, I will assume I will do his duty next week | 14:41 |
| jlibosva | then maybe he won't have time for triaging? | 14:41 |
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| mlavalle | and he can do mine next week | 14:41 |
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| jlibosva | mlavalle: sounds great :) thanks | 14:42 |
| jlibosva | anybody has anything else wrt bugs? | 14:42 |
| mlavalle | yes, mlavalle is bugs deputy this week | 14:42 |
| amotoki | or can we expect he can triage bugs during travelling :p | 14:42 |
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| jlibosva | I'm sure he'll be jetlagged so he could do that instead of sleeping :-p | 14:42 |
| jlibosva | ok, moving on :) | 14:43 |
| jlibosva | #topic Docs | 14:43 |
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| jlibosva | amotoki: boden do you have any updates regarding docs? | 14:43 |
| amotoki | none from me | 14:43 |
| boden | jlibosva nothing exciting that I’m aware of | 14:43 |
| jlibosva | ok, thanks | 14:43 |
| jlibosva | jumping to the next topic | 14:43 |
| jlibosva | #topic neutron-lib | 14:43 |
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| boden | that’s me I suppose | 14:44 |
| jlibosva | boden: how about neutron-lib beside those decouple db patches :) | 14:44 |
| jlibosva | yeah :) | 14:44 |
| boden | the only other thing I wanted to mention is that I’d like to rehash the topic of “rehoming neutron.common.rpc” into lib… | 14:45 |
| boden | I’ve updated https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319328/ with some comments/code… | 14:45 |
| boden | looking for some agreement on this before spending mroe time… so if folks get time please add your 2 cents | 14:45 |
| boden | and that’s if from me on the lib topic | 14:46 |
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| mlavalle | that's an oldie | 14:46 |
| boden | mlavalle ya, I’m oldschool man | 14:46 |
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| boden | mlavalle: IMO it makes sense to rehome it, but interested in what others think | 14:47 |
| boden | if you want me to bring it up at drivers meeting I can try to attend when/if needed | 14:47 |
| mlavalle | cool, will take a look | 14:47 |
| boden | thanks | 14:47 |
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| jlibosva | thanks boden for updates | 14:47 |
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| jlibosva | #topic CLI/SDK | 14:47 |
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| jlibosva | amotoki: hi, do you have any updates here? | 14:48 |
| amotoki | let me paste some. | 14:48 |
| amotoki | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-openstacksdk-migration is not necessarily targeted to Rocky. It is a best-effort topic. | 14:48 |
| amotoki | it is a good starter thing. If you are interested in it, feel free to add your name to the etherpad. slaweq and I can help you. | 14:48 |
| amotoki | this is just call for volunteers :) | 14:48 |
| amotoki | that's all. | 14:48 |
| jlibosva | ok, thanks :) | 14:49 |
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| slaweq | just FYI: trunk support is merged to SDK already | 14:49 |
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| amotoki | yeah, thanks slaweq. we need to update the etherpad :) | 14:49 |
| slaweq | yes, I forgot about it, sorry | 14:50 |
| amotoki | np | 14:50 |
| slaweq | will do it right now | 14:50 |
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| slaweq | updated | 14:50 |
| jlibosva | thanks guys | 14:51 |
| jlibosva | anything else related to CLI or SDK? | 14:51 |
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| jlibosva | ok, jumping to the open agenda | 14:52 |
| jlibosva | #topic Open discussion | 14:52 |
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| annp_ | Regarding to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/extend-logging-to-fwassv2.0 | 14:52 |
| jlibosva | I see toshii left a topic about future plans for ryu that has been discussed at the last meeting but I'd like to bring it back again so people that can't attend US meeting are aware of it | 14:52 |
| annp_ | I have some update. | 14:52 |
| annp_ | Currently, I and FwaaS team are focusing to review spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509725/. and the spec is targeted to merge in R-1, I think the spec is quite close. However it should get more comment from you So please take a look at this. | 14:52 |
| jlibosva | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-ryu-future-plans | 14:52 |
| toshii | I remind you to think about future of the ryu library if you haven't. ;) | 14:52 |
| toshii | jlibosva, thanks for bringing this up | 14:53 |
| annp_ | In addtion, There are two patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/534227/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/529814/ also need your comments. | 14:53 |
| jlibosva | that's all :) sorry annp_, go ahead | 14:53 |
| mlavalle | toshii: I will propose this week the topic for the Forum | 14:53 |
| jlibosva | toshii: ;) | 14:53 |
| jlibosva | that's a good idea | 14:53 |
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| annp_ | jlibosva, that's all from me. | 14:53 |
| jlibosva | annp_: I think those rpc patches will need some thought about backward compatibility. I'll comment on it | 14:54 |
| annp_ | jlibosva, Just my update for extend firewall logging blueprint. | 14:54 |
| jlibosva | annp_: thanks for bringing this up | 14:54 |
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| amotoki | toshii: it would be nice if there are inputs on what kind of knowledges or backgrounds are required /expected on ryu maintenance. it might help discussoins. | 14:55 |
| annp_ | jlibosva, thanks in advance. | 14:55 |
| toshii | ryu is quite stable these days IMO | 14:56 |
| toshii | i'll add to the etherpad | 14:56 |
| annp_ | toshii, +1 | 14:56 |
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| amotoki | transitions in the maintenance team is not surprising. it is nice this kind of thing is raised in the right timing :) | 14:56 |
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| toshii | dealing with brekage due to dependency library would be the main maintenance work | 14:57 |
| toshii | like pbr or pip as we saw recently | 14:57 |
| jlibosva | or adopting new openflow standards? ;) | 14:57 |
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| jlibosva | any other topic anybody wants to discuss here? we have 2 minutes left | 14:58 |
| toshii | standards are not changing. it's just ryu hasn't implemented everything | 14:58 |
| amotoki | another topic: did we discuss http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-March/128335.html ? | 14:58 |
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| jlibosva | we didn't | 14:58 |
| amotoki | it is related to some release model and neutron-lib. | 14:58 |
| amotoki | i think sub project developers need extra steps to run tests. | 14:59 |
| amotoki | hopefully we can discuss it after rocky-1. | 14:59 |
| jlibosva | ack | 14:59 |
| jlibosva | amotoki: we could also put it as the item to open agenda for the next meeting | 14:59 |
| jlibosva | to not forget :) | 14:59 |
| amotoki | this is just a reminder for coming weeks | 14:59 |
| amotoki | jlibosva: sure | 14:59 |
| jlibosva | aaaand we're out of time | 14:59 |
| jlibosva | thanks everyone for showing up :) | 15:00 |
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| jlibosva | #stopmeeting | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 15:00 |
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| jlibosva | eh | 15:00 |
| jlibosva | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 10 15:00:18 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2018/networking.2018-04-10-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2018/networking.2018-04-10-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2018/networking.2018-04-10-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
| bcafarel | :) | 15:00 |
| slaweq | o/ | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 15:00 |
| amotoki | o/ | 15:00 |
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| annp_ | Thanks | 15:00 |
| slaweq | #startmeeting neutron_qos | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 10 15:00:46 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is slaweq. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_qos)" | 15:00 | |
| slaweq | hi on qos meeting now :) | 15:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_qos' | 15:00 |
| rubasov | hello again | 15:00 |
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| slaweq | mlavalle: are You with us? | 15:01 |
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| mlavalle | o/ | 15:01 |
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| slaweq | ok, so let's start | 15:01 |
| slaweq | #topic RFEs | 15:01 |
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| slaweq | there wasn't any new RFE reported recently so I will go through old one | 15:02 |
| slaweq | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1727578 | 15:02 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1727578 in neutron "[RFE]Support apply qos policy in VPN service" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 15:02 |
| slaweq | zhaobo6 pushed new PS to his specs https://review.openstack.org/#/c/531074/ | 15:02 |
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| slaweq | IIRC it was almost fine for me (except some nits) but it will need some "vpn expert" to take a look at it also :) | 15:03 |
| reedip | hi | 15:03 |
| slaweq | I will read it once again this week | 15:03 |
| slaweq | reedip: hi | 15:03 |
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| slaweq | next one is #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1505627 | 15:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1505627 in neutron "[RFE] QoS Explicit Congestion Notification (ECN) Support" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee) | 15:04 |
| reedip | I asked mlavalle to assist in its review just today | 15:04 |
| slaweq | yes, I saw You pushed new PS to specs | 15:05 |
| reedip | few things need to be sorted out ,and then it should be ready, I would however request all others to review it | 15:05 |
| slaweq | I will also try to review it ASAP | 15:05 |
| reedip | Its a long time pending , lets get it over with :) | 15:05 |
| slaweq | agree :) | 15:05 |
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| mlavalle | reedip: will you implement it? | 15:05 |
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| reedip | mlavalle : I hope so, but would need assistance to be honest | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | ack | 15:06 |
| slaweq | reedip: I hope I will be able to help on that one | 15:06 |
| slaweq | but I don't know exactly what will be my priorities in next months so I don't say that I will help for sure | 15:07 |
| reedip | slaweq : exactly , same with me for some time | 15:07 |
| slaweq | :) | 15:07 |
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| slaweq | ok, moving on to the next one | 15:08 |
| slaweq | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1560963 | 15:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1560963 in neutron "[RFE] Minimum bandwidth support (egress)" [Wishlist,In progress] | 15:08 |
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| slaweq | I didn't work on it yet | 15:08 |
| slaweq | I was talking with Rodolfo about how he wanted to do it some time ago. Basically it looks to be very tricky/hard to implement on backend side for both LB and OVS. | 15:09 |
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| mlavalle | doable? | 15:10 |
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| slaweq | To be honest I'm not sure | 15:11 |
| mlavalle | has anybody done this kind of QoS in OVS at all? | 15:11 |
| slaweq | maybe with some workarounds or limitations | 15:11 |
| mlavalle | I might be worth asking in the OVS community | 15:12 |
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| slaweq | I didn't found anything like that anywhere | 15:12 |
| slaweq | yes, I will try to ask about that in ovs ML this week | 15:12 |
| slaweq | good idea | 15:12 |
| slaweq | thx | 15:12 |
| mlavalle | maybe also in the LB community | 15:13 |
| mlavalle | if there is such a thing | 15:13 |
| slaweq | maybe some Linux communities | 15:13 |
| mlavalle | in the case of LB, we would use TC, right? | 15:13 |
| slaweq | there are possibilities to do it with IFB devices but as Rodolfo told me that will have some limitations - I don't know exactly what will it be | 15:14 |
| slaweq | yes, it has to use TC | 15:14 |
| slaweq | in fact in OVS probably also TC would be used underneath | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | there must be a group maintaining / developing it | 15:14 |
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| mlavalle | I mean TC | 15:15 |
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| slaweq | I will try to search and ask somewhere :) | 15:15 |
| mlavalle | maybe we should ask them for ideas | 15:15 |
| rubasov | maybe this mailing list is alive (I never subscribed to it, not sure): https://www.spinics.net/lists/lartc/ | 15:16 |
| slaweq | rubasov: thx, it looks that there are quite fresh mails there | 15:16 |
| slaweq | I will ask there also | 15:16 |
| slaweq | thank You | 15:17 |
| rubasov | hope it helps | 15:17 |
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| slaweq | ok, moving on | 15:18 |
| slaweq | next one is #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1578989 | 15:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1578989 in neutron "[RFE] Strict minimum bandwidth support (egress)" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq) | 15:18 |
| slaweq | still two small patches related to it, done by lajoskatona in review: | 15:18 |
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| slaweq | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/554532/ | 15:18 |
| slaweq | and | 15:18 |
| slaweq | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/552938/ | 15:18 |
| slaweq | so please review it if You will have some time | 15:19 |
| slaweq | rubasov, mlavalle, how specs is going for this one? | 15:19 |
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| slaweq | any updates? | 15:19 |
| reedip | yep, will review | 15:19 |
| slaweq | thx reedip | 15:19 |
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| mlavalle | rubasov and I had a lively discussion exactky a week ago | 15:19 |
| mlavalle | the rest of last week I got distracted with multiple port binding | 15:20 |
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| rubasov | I think we were on the same page at that discussion | 15:20 |
| mlavalle | rubasov: yes we were | 15:20 |
| mlavalle | I think we are getting closer to a solution | 15:20 |
| rubasov | but I'm not sure if we have an overall consensus with all the reviewers of the spec | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | jaypipes and seankmooney commented on the nova spec | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | I have to go back to their comments | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | I will do it today or tomorrow | 15:21 |
| slaweq | I will try to read it also once again | 15:21 |
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| rubasov | IMO the contentious point is: how the RP-tree should look like | 15:22 |
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| mlavalle | rubasov: yes | 15:23 |
| mlavalle | I will try to address that in my next comments | 15:23 |
| rubasov | there's a bit of progress in the neutron spec too | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | I saw that. Thanks! | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | I will take a look soon | 15:24 |
| rubasov | just uploaded a new patch set yesterday | 15:24 |
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| rubasov | mlavalle: thank you | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | rubasov: I needed to make progress on multiple port binding last week | 15:25 |
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| mlavalle | that is why I didn't go back to this spec over the past few days | 15:25 |
| rubasov | mlavalle: no problem | 15:25 |
| mlavalle | but I will go back this week | 15:25 |
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| rubasov | mlavalle: looking forward to your comments | 15:26 |
| mlavalle | I think that's all as far as progres report on this topic | 15:26 |
| mlavalle | in this meeting ;-) | 15:26 |
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| slaweq | ok, thx for updates :) | 15:26 |
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| slaweq | so I think we can go to next topic then | 15:26 |
| slaweq | #topic Bugs | 15:26 |
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| slaweq | there was no any new bug reported for QoS since last meeting | 15:27 |
| slaweq | which is good IMO :) | 15:27 |
| mlavalle | indeed :-) | 15:27 |
| rubasov | perfect | 15:27 |
| slaweq | we have only on in progress now: | 15:27 |
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| slaweq | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1758316 | 15:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1758316 in neutron "Floating IP QoS don't work in DVR router" [High,In progress] - Assigned to LIU Yulong (dragon889) | 15:27 |
| slaweq | I know that LIU Yulong is working on it still, there is WIP patch pushed: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/558724/ | 15:27 |
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| slaweq | and I think that it's more for some DVR expert to check rather than for QoS side | 15:28 |
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| mlavalle | seems to be about ready to review | 15:29 |
| slaweq | there is WIP in title | 15:29 |
| slaweq | that's why I assumed it's still in progress | 15:29 |
| mlavalle | I'll ask him? | 15:29 |
| slaweq | You are asking if You will ask him? | 15:30 |
| slaweq | :) | 15:30 |
| slaweq | who except You can know that :D | 15:30 |
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| mlavalle | slaweq: I asked him | 15:30 |
| mlavalle | LOL | 15:30 |
| slaweq | ok :) | 15:30 |
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| slaweq | You asked or You will ask? | 15:31 |
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| mlavalle | I did | 15:31 |
| slaweq | ah, so it's ready to review then | 15:31 |
| mlavalle | I asked in the patch | 15:32 |
| slaweq | right? | 15:32 |
| mlavalle | just left a comment asking | 15:32 |
| slaweq | ahh, ok, sorry | 15:32 |
| * slaweq needs another coffee | 15:32 | |
| mlavalle | well, maybe you are still very young and can have coffee in the evening. Ican't do that anymore | 15:33 |
| reedip | you are not old mlavalle :) | 15:33 |
| slaweq | I can drink coffee always :) It's not a problem for me :) | 15:33 |
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| slaweq | about this patch, I will also do patch to neutron-tempest-plugin which will depend on this one to remove skip of FIP qos test and check if it's working now | 15:34 |
| mlavalle | ++ | 15:34 |
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| slaweq | I think we can move on | 15:35 |
| slaweq | #topic Open Discussion | 15:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: neutron_qos)" | 15:35 | |
| slaweq | anyone wants to talk about something else maybe? | 15:35 |
| reedip | nm ... | 15:36 |
| mlavalle | I'm good for now | 15:36 |
| rubasov | me too | 15:36 |
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| mlavalle | rubasov: when does gibi_awa1 come back? | 15:36 |
| rubasov | he'll be back next week | 15:36 |
| mlavalle | :-) | 15:37 |
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| slaweq | ok, so I think we are done for today | 15:37 |
| reedip | +1 | 15:37 |
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| slaweq | we have 20 minutes free now | 15:37 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: You can do some review in Your free time now :P | 15:37 |
| slaweq | #endmeeting | 15:38 |
| mlavalle | slaweq: good point :-) | 15:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:38 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 10 15:38:01 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2018/neutron_qos.2018-04-10-15.00.html | 15:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2018/neutron_qos.2018-04-10-15.00.txt | 15:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2018/neutron_qos.2018-04-10-15.00.log.html | 15:38 |
| slaweq | thx for attending | 15:38 |
| slaweq | bye | 15:38 |
| rubasov | thank you guys | 15:38 |
| rubasov | bye | 15:38 |
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| slaweq | #startmeeting neutron_ci | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 10 16:00:43 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is slaweq. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| slaweq | hi | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:00 | |
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| mlavalle | o/ | 16:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ci' | 16:00 |
| ihrachys | o | 16:00 |
| slaweq | #topic Actions from previous meetings | 16:01 |
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| slaweq | jlibosva, haleyb: are You around? | 16:01 |
| haleyb | o/ | 16:01 |
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| jlibosva | o/ | 16:02 |
| slaweq | ok, so I think we can start now | 16:02 |
| slaweq | first action from previous week: | 16:02 |
| slaweq | haleyb to check router migrations issue | 16:02 |
| haleyb | i haven't reproduced the issue yet, seemed to work fine manually, so $more_testing=1 | 16:03 |
| slaweq | ok | 16:04 |
| slaweq | #action haleyb to continue testing why router migrations tests fails | 16:04 |
| slaweq | next one was | 16:05 |
| slaweq | slaweq will check difference between neutron-tempest-multinode-full and neutron-tempest-dvr-ha-multinode-full | 16:05 |
| slaweq | so I compared those jobs definitions: https://pastebin.com/zQTHJ1Rg | 16:05 |
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| slaweq | Basically difference is that on neutron-tempest-multinode-full L3 agent is only on main node (subnode is only for compute), in neutron-tempest-dvr-ha-multinode-full L3 agent on subnodes is in dvr_snat mode | 16:05 |
| slaweq | AFAIR ihrachys wants to check if we needs both those jobs - IMO we should have both of them | 16:06 |
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| slaweq | ah, one more thing - there is also flag DEVSTACK_GATE_TLSPROXY set in one of those jobs but I have no idea what is it for :) | 16:07 |
| ihrachys | I think tlsproxy is on by default. afair it's some nova thing. | 16:08 |
| ihrachys | can't even find it mentioned in latest devstack-gate so maybe completely irrelevant | 16:09 |
| ihrachys | slaweq, as for the dvr vs. legacy, for what I understand, we have tempest-full job for legacy too. do we need that one then? | 16:09 |
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| slaweq | tempest-full is singlenode | 16:10 |
| slaweq | this one is multinode | 16:10 |
| slaweq | no? | 16:10 |
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| slaweq | but maybe we don't need singlenode job then as multinode should covers it as well | 16:11 |
| slaweq | what do You think? | 16:11 |
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| ihrachys | yeah that's what I was alluding to. | 16:12 |
| ihrachys | tempest-full may come from tempest repo though. we also have full-py3 from the same source | 16:12 |
| ihrachys | but I guess I don't feel strongly about it anymore since there are legit differences we may want to keep between jobs we maintain. | 16:13 |
| ihrachys | thanks for checking slaweq | 16:13 |
| slaweq | Your welcome ihrachys | 16:13 |
| slaweq | so we will left it as it is for now, right? | 16:13 |
| mlavalle | I think so, slaweq | 16:15 |
| slaweq | ok, fine | 16:15 |
| slaweq | next action then | 16:15 |
| slaweq | mlavalle to take a look why rally jobs are taking so long time | 16:15 |
| mlavalle | I didn't have time last week | 16:15 |
| slaweq | ok, but I'm not sure if there is something really wrong with it now - let's talk about it later :) | 16:16 |
| slaweq | moving on | 16:16 |
| slaweq | next | 16:16 |
| slaweq | slaweq will add openstack-tox-lower-constraints to grafana dashboard | 16:16 |
| slaweq | patch merged today https://review.openstack.org/#/c/559162/ | 16:16 |
| slaweq | and the last one from last week: | 16:17 |
| slaweq | slaweq will check old gate-failure bugs | 16:17 |
| slaweq | I didn't have time to check them during last week - sorry | 16:17 |
| slaweq | #action slaweq will check old gate-failure bugs | 16:17 |
| ihrachys | do we have a document capturing rationale for the low-constraints job? | 16:17 |
| slaweq | ihrachys: are You asking about job? | 16:18 |
| ihrachys | it's just first time I hear about it. I was not very involved lately. | 16:18 |
| ihrachys | wanted to understand what the job is for. but maybe I can google myself. | 16:19 |
| slaweq | I think there was some email about it few weeks ago | 16:19 |
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| ihrachys | ok I will take a look, nevermine | 16:19 |
| ihrachys | *nevermind | 16:19 |
| mlavalle | yes, there is a message in the ML explaining the rationale | 16:19 |
| slaweq | thx, I can't find it now | 16:20 |
| slaweq | but I think it was given in commit message in patch which added it to neutron repo | 16:20 |
| slaweq | so You will find it easily there | 16:21 |
| ihrachys | ok ok, sorry, I shouldn't have asked dumb questions | 16:21 |
| slaweq | ihrachys: it wasn't dumb question for sure :) | 16:21 |
| slaweq | ok, moving on to next topic | 16:21 |
| slaweq | #topic Grafana | 16:21 |
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| slaweq | http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate | 16:21 |
| slaweq | I was checking today last few days there | 16:22 |
| slaweq | there was some spike yesterday but it was on all jobs similar IMO | 16:23 |
| slaweq | there are still same jobs on quite high failure rate but I think there is nothing "new" what would require special attention | 16:25 |
| slaweq | any thoughts? | 16:25 |
| ihrachys | there is periodic failure it seems | 16:25 |
| ihrachys | with neutron-lib-master | 16:25 |
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| ihrachys | and looks like for py35 only | 16:25 |
| slaweq | yes, I forgot about that one now | 16:26 |
| slaweq | but I have it for later discussion prepared :) | 16:26 |
| ihrachys | http://logs.openstack.org/periodic/git.openstack.org/openstack/neutron/master/openstack-tox-py35-with-neutron-lib-master/66d328a/testr_results.html.gz | 16:26 |
| ihrachys | ok nevermind then | 16:26 |
| slaweq | so IMHO it is due to patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/541766/ | 16:26 |
| slaweq | ihrachys: we can talk about it now | 16:26 |
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| slaweq | I checked failures since 6.04 for this job and there are exactly same errors there each time | 16:27 |
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| ihrachys | yeah looks like related | 16:27 |
| slaweq | it looks for me that it's because of this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/541766/ - maybe there is something missing in neutron now | 16:28 |
| slaweq | I can try to check it or at least I will report a bug for that | 16:28 |
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| slaweq | or maybe someone else wants to fix it? :) | 16:28 |
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| slaweq | I can assign action to someone from You. Any volunteers? :) | 16:29 |
| jlibosva | if everybody is busy, I can have a look | 16:29 |
| haleyb | or maybe ping yamahata ? | 16:29 |
| slaweq | I think yamahata is not available now | 16:30 |
| slaweq | so jlibosva can You at least report a bug and ask yamahata to check it? | 16:30 |
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| yamahata | yamahata: I'm here. what's the issue? | 16:30 |
| mlavalle | yamahata is based out of California | 16:31 |
| slaweq | hi yamahata :) | 16:31 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: I didn't know that | 16:31 |
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| jlibosva | me neither :) | 16:31 |
| slaweq | yamahata: since few days we have failure in periodic job: http://logs.openstack.org/periodic/git.openstack.org/openstack/neutron/master/openstack-tox-py35-with-neutron-lib-master/66d328a/testr_results.html.gz | 16:31 |
| slaweq | it looks like related to patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/541766/ | 16:31 |
| slaweq | do You have any idea why it's failing? | 16:32 |
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| ihrachys | for what I understand, a fix would be test only, and it would just capture any new arguments and ignore them when matching mock call args | 16:32 |
| * yamahata opening links | 16:32 | |
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| yamahata | let me check it. | 16:33 |
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| yamahata | now callback registration accepts priority priority_group.DEFAULT_PRIORITY=555000 | 16:34 |
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| yamahata | so function call check needs to be updated to include priority. | 16:34 |
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| ihrachys | yamahata, no. if we do that, unit tests will fail with old neutron-lib | 16:35 |
| yamahata | Oh, right. | 16:35 |
| ihrachys | instead of explicitly matching, we should ignore the argument value (if it's present) | 16:35 |
| slaweq | or we should release new neutron-lib version and update test as yamahata propose :) | 16:36 |
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| ihrachys | the test goal is to validate that subscription happened for the right callback / event. it has nothing to do with priorities, so we should ignore it. | 16:36 |
| slaweq | ihrachys: right | 16:36 |
| ihrachys | slaweq, meaning, old queens neutron gate will be incompatible with newer neutron-lib? not ideal. | 16:37 |
| slaweq | but old queens neutron gate uses newest neutron-lib also? | 16:37 |
| ihrachys | I prefer the test is liberal / compatible with different versions. we CAN then release / bump requirements / force checking priority, but what's the point | 16:37 |
| slaweq | I agree with You | 16:38 |
| ihrachys | slaweq, it doesn't; but we don't block anyone from updating neutron-lib | 16:38 |
| slaweq | I was just curious :) thx | 16:38 |
| ihrachys | it's not like we have <=XXX in requirements | 16:38 |
| ihrachys | so anything fresh is fair game | 16:38 |
| slaweq | right | 16:39 |
| slaweq | so do we have any volunteer who will fix this test? | 16:39 |
| mlavalle | I thought yamahata will fix it | 16:39 |
| yamahata | let me cook first patch to address test_register | 16:39 |
| yamahata | test__init__ failure looks different issue | 16:39 |
| slaweq | ok, thx yamahata | 16:39 |
| yamahata | anyway I'll look into test__init__ too. | 16:40 |
| slaweq | #action yamahata to fix issues with openstack-tox-py35-with-neutron-lib-master periodic job | 16:40 |
| mlavalle | thanks yamahata! | 16:40 |
| slaweq | so I think that periodic jobs are fine and we can go to next topic | 16:41 |
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| slaweq | #topic Fullstack | 16:41 |
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| slaweq | I was today looking for fullstack issues in last 2 days | 16:41 |
| slaweq | I found one POST_FAILURE: http://logs.openstack.org/14/559414/2/check/neutron-fullstack/1cbd1b0/job-output.txt.gz#_2018-04-09_21_06_31_611265 which looks like some issue with infra | 16:42 |
| slaweq | and at least twice failed fullstack tests for patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/499908/ which looks for me that is related to patch it self | 16:42 |
| slaweq | do You found any other fullstack failures in last days? | 16:43 |
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| ihrachys | I wasn't paying attention so no | 16:44 |
| mlavalle | I didn't see any | 16:44 |
| jlibosva | me neither | 16:45 |
| slaweq | ok, so I will try to keep an eye on it and check when something new will happen :) | 16:45 |
| slaweq | next topic then | 16:45 |
| slaweq | #topic Scenarios | 16:45 |
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| slaweq | here we still have same "big players" :) | 16:45 |
| slaweq | neutron-tempest-plugin-dvr-multinode-scenario failing on 100% still | 16:45 |
| slaweq | but what is interesting there was moment that it was little below 100% at 6.04 and then get back to 100% | 16:46 |
| jlibosva | are those just the migration tests? | 16:46 |
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| jlibosva | perhaps we should mark them with our favorite unstable_test decorator | 16:46 |
| slaweq | in most cases failed tests are those with migration | 16:46 |
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| slaweq | sometimes there is also test_trunk_subport_lifecycle which fails | 16:47 |
| jlibosva | right, I still have that on my plate | 16:47 |
| slaweq | I was checking few jobs and didn't found other issues | 16:47 |
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| slaweq | haleyb: as You are checking those failures with migration, do You think it is worth to mark them as unstable for now? | 16:49 |
| haleyb | slaweq: yes, i suppose we could | 16:49 |
| slaweq | ok, will You do it then? | 16:49 |
| haleyb | yes | 16:50 |
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| slaweq | thx | 16:50 |
| slaweq | #action haleyb will mark router migration tests are unstable | 16:50 |
| slaweq | thx jlibosva, good idea :) | 16:51 |
| ihrachys | do we do same with trunk then or it's a different beast? | 16:51 |
| slaweq | I think we can do the same with it for now | 16:51 |
| slaweq | jlibosva: do You agree? | 16:51 |
| jlibosva | I'd suggest to do one by one | 16:51 |
| jlibosva | let's see how the failure rate goes without considering router migration | 16:52 |
| ihrachys | ok | 16:52 |
| jlibosva | if it's still high, let's cross trunk out too | 16:52 |
| slaweq | ++ | 16:52 |
| slaweq | ok | 16:52 |
| slaweq | ok, so moving on | 16:52 |
| slaweq | #topic Rally | 16:52 |
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| jlibosva | eh, I had one item I wanted to bring re scenarios | 16:53 |
| slaweq | sorry jlibosva | 16:53 |
| slaweq | #topic scenarios | 16:53 |
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| slaweq | go on then :) | 16:53 |
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| jlibosva | so I've been watching the ovsfw tempest job and it seems to me that it copies other tempest failures | 16:53 |
| jlibosva | that said, I think the failures are not related to the fact it uses ovsfw driver. I wanted to know opinions about making it voting in the check Q | 16:54 |
| slaweq | I agree, it is quite stable since few weeks | 16:55 |
| ihrachys | would it make sense, long term, to have ovsfw for multinode dvr-ha job? | 16:55 |
| ihrachys | and then have just one | 16:55 |
| jlibosva | I think long term it would make sense to make ovsfw the default | 16:55 |
| ihrachys | I understand that ovsfw is stable already so we can have it enabled and plan for ovsfw for dvr-ha | 16:55 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, for all jobs? | 16:56 |
| jlibosva | which will lead to have ovsfw in all current tempest tests | 16:56 |
| jlibosva | for devstack, yes, for all jobs | 16:56 |
| jlibosva | I think that should be the goal, then we can deprecate iptables hybrid driver. I don't think it makes sense to maintain both | 16:56 |
| jlibosva | iptables driver will stay for LB of course | 16:57 |
| jlibosva | but that's a long term :) | 16:57 |
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| jlibosva | so for now, we can make the ovsfw voting | 16:57 |
| mlavalle | is it failing around ~15%? | 16:57 |
| ihrachys | but there's no migration path from hybrid so how can you deprecate | 16:57 |
| ihrachys | agreed to make it voting and deal with wider plans separately | 16:58 |
| jlibosva | there is since Pike | 16:58 |
| jlibosva | that leaves hybrid plugging behind | 16:58 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: it is usually around 10-15% | 16:58 |
| jlibosva | and with multiple port bindings being planned for rocky, we'll have a way to deal with it too | 16:59 |
| slaweq | ok, maybe up to 25% sometimes but it follows other jobs also | 16:59 |
| slaweq | I think we are out of time now | 16:59 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, ok looks like I was cryo-frozen for a while lol | 16:59 |
| slaweq | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 10 17:00:06 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2018/neutron_ci.2018-04-10-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| jlibosva | or maybe I just didn't document it properly :) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2018/neutron_ci.2018-04-10-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2018/neutron_ci.2018-04-10-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
| slaweq | thanks for attending | 17:00 |
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| slaweq | bye | 17:00 |
| jlibosva | thanks | 17:00 |
| jlibosva | bye | 17:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 17:00 |
| ihrachys | o/ | 17:00 |
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| clarkb | anyone here for the infra meeting? | 19:00 |
| corvus | o/ | 19:00 |
| mordred | o/ | 19:00 |
| fungi | mmmcomputers | 19:01 |
| clarkb | #startmeeting infra | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 10 19:01:25 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is clarkb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:01 |
| clarkb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:01 |
| clarkb | #topic Announcements | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:01 | |
| anteaya | clarkb, I just added an item under open discussion | 19:02 |
| clarkb | I don't have any announcements. Anything we want to announce? | 19:02 |
| clarkb | anteaya: ok | 19:02 |
| anteaya | thanks | 19:02 |
| clarkb | I guess a reminder that may 3, 2018 is gerrit upgrade day | 19:02 |
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| clarkb | *gerrit server upgrade, not gerrit service upgrade | 19:03 |
| fungi | there'll probably be a social media push for the ci/cd opendev later today if people want to help promote it | 19:03 |
| pabelanger | o/ | 19:03 |
| fungi | as not a social media person myself, i won't be doing that, but i figure some people do that sort of thing ;) | 19:04 |
| clarkb | #info Gerrit server upgrade to Xenial on May 3, 2018 | 19:04 |
| anteaya | facebook is looking fragile today | 19:04 |
| clarkb | #info OpenDev social media push if you want to help promote it | 19:04 |
| fungi | twitter is apparently the new facebook, or something like that | 19:05 |
| pabelanger | +1 | 19:05 |
| clarkb | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:05 | |
| clarkb | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2018/infra.2018-04-03-19.01.txt minutes from last meeting | 19:05 |
| clarkb | We didn't have any formally noted #actions but we did have a bunch of stuff come out of last weeks meeting and I think many of those happened | 19:06 |
| clarkb | the gerrit upgrade was announced to the dev list, we sent a mini irc abuse faq email to the dev list, discussion on new priority efforts was started and so on | 19:06 |
| clarkb | thank you everyone that helped get all that done | 19:06 |
| clarkb | #topic Specs Approval | 19:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs Approval (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:07 | |
| clarkb | I don't think there are any new specs up for approval. But I did merge a the specs that I said I would get merged last week | 19:07 |
| clarkb | also if you ahve a moment dmsimard's eavesdrop updates spec and anteaya/pleia2's survey spec could use reviews | 19:08 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/349831 Survery service spec | 19:08 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/550550 IRC discoverability spec | 19:08 |
| clarkb | #topic Priority Efforts | 19:09 |
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| clarkb | #topic Storyboard | 19:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Storyboard (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:09 | |
| clarkb | fungi: sounds like the migration process continues? any luck sorting out bug updates from gerrit events? | 19:09 |
| fungi | aside from importing cyborg i haven't done much since the last meeting, no | 19:09 |
| fungi | it's on my list for the next day or so to start playing with story commenting from review-dev to storyboard-dev | 19:10 |
| clarkb | cool, offer still stands to help there should that be useful since I did the gerrit 2.13 upgrade and missed this (I feel abd :P ) | 19:10 |
| fungi | i'll definitely loop you in with what i find, at least | 19:11 |
| clarkb | #topic New Priority Efforts | 19:11 |
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| mordred | fungi: I think | 19:11 |
| mordred | gah | 19:11 |
| * mordred doesn't computer well | 19:11 | |
| clarkb | mordred: should I undo if there is more storyboarding to talk about? | 19:11 |
| clarkb | I guess not? /me continues with new priority effort discussion | 19:12 |
| fungi | we can catch up in open discussion if need be | 19:13 |
| clarkb | the mailing list thead on this has pointed out an important topic which is modernizing our control plane deployment tooling. Options that have come up are supporting puppet 4 or 5, and ansibilifying our control plane | 19:13 |
| clarkb | these were not on my original list but thinking about it more this is likely our biggest current pressing issue | 19:13 |
| pabelanger | I haven't had a chance to comment myself, but lively discussion | 19:14 |
| clarkb | Both of the specs related to this have gone a bit stale I think. Merge conflicts if nothing else. A good next step may be to update both specs so that we can consider our options with up to date information | 19:14 |
| fungi | i wonder whether dropping the central puppetmaster and removing puppet from our test node images means that we're now only testing everything across a common puppet version because we try to install it all on one test node | 19:14 |
| clarkb | fungi: we run the apply tests on a variety of distros | 19:15 |
| fungi | and whether we could incrementally move systems to newer puppet if we stopped assuming we use a common puppet version everywhere. no need for a big bang upgrade | 19:15 |
| clarkb | fungi: which should use the puppet for that $distro | 19:15 |
| clarkb | fungi: thats a good point, and I think that would be doable | 19:16 |
| fungi | i suppose system-config is a bit of a linchpin where we'd need backward-compatibility | 19:16 |
| pabelanger | I thought distro puppet was still lagging on the version they use | 19:16 |
| ianw | fungi: as in, making install_modules.sh not the canonical source of puppet modules? | 19:16 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: it is and its largely why we've been fine on puppet3 | 19:16 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: but we don't have to use distro puppet (and haven't in the past) | 19:17 |
| pabelanger | yah, bionic jumps up to 4.10 | 19:17 |
| fungi | ianw: maybe more than one module list, or dropping the central module list, yeah | 19:17 |
| pabelanger | I do like the idea of a central puppet list, if only to keep things in sync across hosts. But do agree, it is a little harder to deal with upgrading | 19:18 |
| fungi | using the limesurvey module we were trying to use as a recent example, it's over a year old and claims to need puppet 4.5 or newer since it was initially created, so even bionic's system puppet would be too old | 19:18 |
| mordred | clarkb: I think we should take a step back and think holistically about how we manage things. as it stands now I'd be more in favor of work to shift to ansible than work to rewrite puppet to support a new puppet ... | 19:19 |
| clarkb | mordred: yes I'm suggesting we update both specs | 19:19 |
| clarkb | and evaluate them together | 19:19 |
| clarkb | both specs are out of date and if we were to implement them would need updates I think | 19:19 |
| clarkb | but then we can consider them both and decide which is worth the effort | 19:19 |
| mordred | clarkb: but I can also make arguments that it's time to consider if/how containers fit in to what we're doing and whether adopting their use in places would make our lives better | 19:20 |
| fungi | well, updating existing puppet modules would still presumably be way less effort than rewriting them all in ansible (i strongly doubt most of the service we rely on have equivalent ansible modules already) | 19:20 |
| mordred | clarkb: so maybe for completeness I should write a straw-man spec for that too (even if the answer winds up being nope) | 19:20 |
| clarkb | mordred: ya that could be useful as well | 19:20 |
| pabelanger | I'll rebase the ansibilfy spec later today | 19:20 |
| clarkb | and then there is another meta idea where we take fungi's puppet idea and could expand that to be service specific deployment tooling (I don't think we really want to do that at least not long term but may make sense for incremental deployment to get to some future state) | 19:21 |
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| fungi | i'd be curious to read the containers spec, because so far i can't even begin to imagine how they make production deployment any simpler for us | 19:21 |
| mordred | fungi: agree - however, it could be the case that we could simplify what we're asking of the puppet modules currently (the game where people's apps are better after they migrate from one tech to the other - not bcause the new tech is better, but because they refactor the app armed with more knowledge than when the app was written the first time) | 19:21 |
| clarkb | but I think one of the struggles with this topic has been its a difficult one in general and we haven't actually written down proper start to finish specs that we can read side by side | 19:21 |
| mordred | clarkb: ++ | 19:22 |
| clarkb | which I think will help everyone understand the needs and what is involved and allow us to make a better decision (if a bit more upfront work) | 19:22 |
| corvus | fungi: broadly speaking i think containers could make things easier by completely decoupling apps from system. our biggest problems seem to be that we keep running into os-upgrades interfering with app upgrades. | 19:22 |
| fungi | clarkb: yeah, i wouldn't expect us to try to run multiple puppet versions forever, just suggesting that finding an incremental upgrade solution might be easier than an all-at-once | 19:22 |
| corvus | they are not the only solution to that, but they are one. :) | 19:22 |
| clarkb | fungi: ya | 19:22 |
| clarkb | sounds like we have a volunteer for ansible and a volunteer for container spec | 19:22 |
| mordred | corvus, fungi: yah - and also the coupling of installing softare and configuring software in our puppet modules | 19:23 |
| clarkb | anyone willing to go back over our puppte spec and consider fungi's idea there as well as puppet 5? | 19:23 |
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| corvus | i also think this touches on the openstackci question | 19:23 |
| clarkb | (I'm guessing that one might fall on me by default if no one else wants it) | 19:23 |
| clarkb | corvus: ya I think so too | 19:23 |
| pabelanger | The bonus with ansible, is there are container connection plugins, if users choose to use them. Or how OSA does lxc things on the remove node | 19:23 |
| corvus | ianw brought this up in zuul meeting yesterday, and it'd be nice for us to discuss it more on its own. but regardless, we need to decide what we want the future of that to be | 19:24 |
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| clarkb | pabelanger: I think I'd like to avoid using less common container tooling fwiw | 19:24 |
| mordred | clarkb: it's also possible if nobody steps up to write the puppet spec that we've learned that nobody really wants to champion it as whatwe use moving forward | 19:24 |
| ianw | corvus: it's on the agenda :) | 19:24 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: one of the benefits of using conatiners would be others know how to work with them and we lose a lot of that if using special magic for containers | 19:24 |
| clarkb | mordred: indeed :) | 19:24 |
| mordred | clarkb: basically saying that I don't think you should write the puppet5 spec by default (although you certainly _can_) | 19:24 |
| pabelanger | clarkb: understood, but is an option you'd toggle based on inventory variables | 19:25 |
| pabelanger | +1 | 19:25 |
| clarkb | ok I'll respond to the list with these thoughts (basically elts update the specs so we can consider them directly against each other and then make a decision) | 19:25 |
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| mordred | cool. and yay. somehow now I'm on the hook for writing a spec | 19:25 |
| clarkb | this sort of assumes we want to make this the priority spec going forward but honestly I think not making it the priority effort would be a mistake | 19:25 |
| mordred | what's wrong with me? | 19:25 |
| fungi | my biggest fear there is that we end up blocking fixing bugs in services by forcing fixes to come with a complete rewrite of deployment/configuration management tooling | 19:25 |
| mordred | clarkb: +100 | 19:25 |
| mordred | fungi: I agree with that - and I think any plan we adopt should not have that quality | 19:26 |
| clarkb | fungi: ya I think we need to make it incremental | 19:26 |
| clarkb | so that we don't put a force lock on everything for a long period of time | 19:26 |
| * mordred is very supportive of incremental as long as we have an end-goal in mind | 19:26 | |
| ianw | we *definitely* need to make it incremental | 19:26 |
| corvus | mordred: ++ | 19:26 |
| clarkb | now incremental may be do it all in a month or two | 19:26 |
| mordred | clarkb: I definitely think it should be a priority effort | 19:26 |
| ianw | Development Effort Estimate, Person-Years (Person-Months) = 33.57 (402.89) | 19:26 |
| ianw | (Basic COCOMO model, Person-Months = 2.4 * (KSLOC**1.05)) | 19:26 |
| clarkb | but you should know where to push the update to say fix etherpad | 19:26 |
| ianw | that's sloccount on /etc/modules | 19:26 |
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| ianw | re-writing all that in ansible isn't particuarly appealing | 19:27 |
| fungi | like we discovered yesterday that we may need to upgrade to latest etherpad and that took some moderate puppet updating. i would hate to think of what would have instead been involved in replacing puppety-etherpad_lite with ansible-role-etherpad_lite written from scratch | 19:27 |
| mordred | nope | 19:27 |
| clarkb | fungi: ya | 19:27 |
| clarkb | this is why I'd like to evaluate the specs together | 19:27 |
| clarkb | so that we can consider the effort of pushing puppet forward against what using containers or ansible would get us | 19:27 |
| corvus | fungi: there are lots of existing ansible roles | 19:27 |
| mordred | yup. | 19:27 |
| fungi | corvus: i'd be excited to find out that etherpad has an ansible role already | 19:28 |
| corvus | fungi: i'd wager that once the *rest* of the infrastructure is in place (basic system, users, etc), the effort for upgrading to puppet5 vs ansible for most services would be within a small percentage. | 19:28 |
| clarkb | this is also likely something we should include in the specs | 19:28 |
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| clarkb | a survey of existing tooling for our various services | 19:28 |
| corvus | fungi: there are at least 4 | 19:29 |
| fungi | wow! | 19:29 |
| corvus | https://galaxy.ansible.com/list#/roles?page=1&page_size=10&autocomplete=etherpad%20lite | 19:29 |
| clarkb | but I think the thing to get us over the hump on actually moving forward here is being able to consider them together rather than just getting annoyed/scared/overwhelmed by the amount of work for $effort | 19:29 |
| pabelanger | that's actually how the ansible spec is written, deal with common services first, port them to ansible, but still run puppet for other bits. Then slowly replace or decide to uplift to another version | 19:29 |
| clarkb | becomes a lot less scary when you know that doing something else is either more work or bigger risk or has fewer features | 19:29 |
| clarkb | hopefully next week I can ask everyoen to go and read three specs and we can then make a decision sometime not too long after that | 19:30 |
| clarkb | anything else we want to consider that won't be covered by ^ | 19:30 |
| clarkb | cool that takes us to the next topic | 19:31 |
| clarkb | #topic General Topics | 19:31 |
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| clarkb | the future of third part ci instructions | 19:32 |
| clarkb | ianw: corvus this came out of the zuul meeting yesterday | 19:32 |
| ianw | yes, there's some notes in the agenda | 19:33 |
| fungi | it sounded like we had two different cases... it would be nice for the zuul family of projects to have a thorough instructional walkthrough... it might also be necessary to have some more neatly-packaged solution for people who are deploying an openstack third-party ci system and don't want to have to learn anything | 19:33 |
| clarkb | the basic concern appears to be that puppet-openstackci cannot deploy a zuul v3 as it exists today | 19:33 |
| clarkb | fungi: right and puppet-openstackci has been our existing "use this" tool for the openstack third party ci specific use case | 19:33 |
| corvus | it is also how we deploy our system (sort-of), with additional things third-party folks don't normally want | 19:34 |
| anteaya | does puppet-openstackci still work? | 19:34 |
| ianw | clarkb: i guess that's the root cause ... the bigger question is if someone is offering to help fix that, how should we assist | 19:34 |
| anteaya | does it deploy something? | 19:34 |
| clarkb | anteaya: for zuulv2 yes | 19:34 |
| anteaya | thanks | 19:34 |
| corvus | so it's 3 things: our system. simple openstack third-party ci. project that wants to have an "openstack infra". | 19:34 |
| fungi | puppet-openstackci was also driven mostly by third-party ci operators, so it seems to me that it would be fine if we waited for some of them to want to write the zuul v3 edition | 19:34 |
| corvus | it still deploys part of our system | 19:35 |
| corvus | i've only worked around some parts of it for zuulv3 | 19:35 |
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| fungi | true. we'd need to end up using less and less of it if we don't upfit it ourselves | 19:35 |
| corvus | do we want to continue with the premise that module should work for all 3 audiences? it's possible, but it's work. | 19:36 |
| clarkb | for me I've always struggled with the overlap between our system and people that want an openstack infra | 19:36 |
| clarkb | system-config is not a public interface which is why we have puppet-openstackci I think | 19:36 |
| anteaya | perhaps a session at opendev? | 19:37 |
| corvus | or do we want to make separate systems: a 3pci-in-a-box, and then whatevere we're using to run ours. | 19:37 |
| corvus | i don't have a problem with changes to puppet-zuul. nor would i with ansible-role-zuul. where this gets really hard for me is puppet-openstackci where i feel like i'm the sysadmin for 100 systems i've never met. | 19:38 |
| clarkb | corvus: right that | 19:38 |
| fungi | i think if we make a "whatever we're using to run ours" (which we need to do anyway) then we can let "3pci-in-a-box" happen as people come along who are interested in implementing it | 19:38 |
| mordred | yah | 19:38 |
| fungi | i consider the puppet-openstackci shim module well-intentioned but ultimately problematic | 19:39 |
| ianw | fungi: the problem is we have someone interested in developing it, asking for help on what to do, and i'm not really sure we have an answer for them | 19:39 |
| fungi | we should focus on having a good and flexible base layer which can have multiple entry points | 19:39 |
| anteaya | ianw who is the person? | 19:39 |
| corvus | fungi: i think we should set some direction there. i think we're in a good position to suggest an implementation for 3pci. i don't know that there's anyone but a handful of us that could tell people how to do that with zuulv3 for now. | 19:39 |
| clarkb | ianw: I think bernd is interested more out of learning how infra tools work and the third party ci docs got them furthest along there | 19:39 |
| clarkb | ianw: and not necessarily for third party ci specifically | 19:40 |
| fungi | yeah, bernd happened across the documentation and decided to see if it still works and provides any insights into how our systems operate | 19:40 |
| corvus | (and to be clear, i'm not personally ready to send out the email that says "hey 3pci folks, you should all upgrade to zuulv3 now!" i think we have a little more work for that yet) | 19:40 |
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| anteaya | corvus, ++ | 19:41 |
| pabelanger | if we want to support 3pci using puppet, I can work on it in puppet-openstackci. But, as I spend more time one windmill, I personally prefer working on it. | 19:41 |
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| fungi | yeah, i'm not saying we shouldn't set direction... more that the idea of modelling our deployment as just a special case of a third-party ci deployment is a bit confining | 19:41 |
| corvus | but if we don't at least create one 3pci-in-a-box recipe, then the space is going to get really muddled, and we won't see good results. or, people will keep trying to just run our system-config. | 19:41 |
| mordred | is it worth considering softwarefactory to be part of the solution some of this? they've been more focused on 'easily installable copy of infra' as a primary goal than we have ... I think we'd need to sort out how to get sf to not be carrying unlanded patches first, but may be worth considering? | 19:41 |
| corvus | fungi: i agree with that | 19:42 |
| mordred | fungi: ++ | 19:42 |
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| clarkb | mordred: thats my concern with software factory, its presented as infra made easy but reality is it tends to be a fairly large forkl and people ask us questins about it all the time | 19:42 |
| corvus | mordred: maybe that's a good answer for "i want to run a fuul openstack-infra". i'm not sure it's the best 3pci in a box? | 19:42 |
| ianw | fungi: ++ ... i think the future more looks like "here's a nicely wrapped up zuul/nodepool/jobs that plugs into openstack" rather than "here's how to run a mini openstack-infra" | 19:42 |
| fungi | ianw: right, i think they're separate branches from a base layer rather than one being branched off the other | 19:43 |
| mordred | clarkb: yes- I think we'd have to sort that story out | 19:43 |
| corvus | i mean, the 3pci instructions for puppet-openstackci get you zuul+apache talking to our gerrit. i think that's what that product needs, and not anything else. | 19:43 |
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| mordred | yah - and that's a good definition of what a 3pci needs | 19:44 |
| corvus | ianw: indeed, with zuulv3 we have an opportunity to have something that will write an appropriate tenant config to pull in devstack, tempest, etc, to get all the jobs they should base their tests on. | 19:44 |
| pabelanger | +1 | 19:44 |
| corvus | that's an advantage of a purpose-built 3pci solution | 19:44 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:44 |
| clarkb | sounds like we'd maybe punt on an infra made easy for now, suggest a third party ci specific tool, then have our own tools for deploying infra itself? | 19:45 |
| clarkb | and we'd work with interested 3pci groups to build that tool? | 19:45 |
| corvus | clarkb: yeah, i think decoupling this from infra actual makes both things easier, and this is the right time on both accounts. | 19:45 |
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| mordred | clarkb: yah - that sounds good to me | 19:46 |
| clarkb | ianw: ^ does that make sense as a path forward to you (you posted the topic so want to make sure your input is heard :) ) | 19:46 |
| ianw | pabelanger: is windmill in a position to be this 3pci thing? | 19:46 |
| corvus | maybe we should write up an infra spec for "build a new 3pci solution for zuulv3" ? | 19:46 |
| fungi | probably helps to look back at where puppet-openstackci came from too... it was in part at attempt to codify and automate some install howtos from random blogs frozen in time, and partly at attempt to keep us from making lock-step changes in services and system-config/project-config which subsequently broke people who were running outdated forks of system-config/project-config | 19:46 |
| mordred | ianw, pabelanger: it could certainly be the basis of it | 19:46 |
| pabelanger | ianw: pretty close, yes | 19:46 |
| pabelanger | working on documentation for it to be used in opendevconf workshop | 19:47 |
| mordred | fungi: yah - a lot of that got rolled in to the design of zuul v3 too - so some of the issues p-oci was working on solving are just different now | 19:47 |
| corvus | fungi: indeed -- i think discipline around low-level service modules + testing can help with that. | 19:47 |
| mordred | and we already have to make sure we dont' make changes to zuul-jobs that will break people consuming that repo | 19:47 |
| corvus | and what mordred said | 19:47 |
| fungi | yeah, we're in a much better place wrt all of that than we were several years ago | 19:47 |
| mordred | yah | 19:48 |
| pabelanger | ianw: can give you a run though this week if you'd like | 19:48 |
| anteaya | has anyone talked to any third party operators about this topic? | 19:48 |
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| clarkb | anteaya: I think that is the next step, we are just trying to figure out where we as infra and zuul devs stand | 19:48 |
| anteaya | some of our folks who use puppet-openstackci now? | 19:48 |
| anteaya | ah okay sorry | 19:49 |
| fungi | the ones who were most communicative in the past were maintaining puppet-openstackci | 19:49 |
| corvus | speccing this out would be a great way to get input | 19:49 |
| clarkb | ++ | 19:49 |
| anteaya | fungi, mostly ramy yes | 19:49 |
| mordred | it's also worth considering that some of them may want to continue to use puppet for a third-party-ci - so if our 3pci isn't based on it, we could turn that repo over to whoever *does* want to use it | 19:49 |
| clarkb | #agreed Spec out third party ci tooling as its own tool and solicit feedback from third party ci operators. | 19:50 |
| fungi | now that they're mostly gone, we're sort of left with a rift between what we need to do and a bunch of users who are probably not very connected with what they're running | 19:50 |
| corvus | mordred: yes, easier to do too if we decouple infra | 19:50 |
| corvus | whot's writing the spec? | 19:50 |
| clarkb | ianw: corvus et al does that seem to reflect what we've ended up at? | 19:50 |
| anteaya | fungi, yes | 19:50 |
| mordred | clarkb: yah | 19:50 |
| ianw | corvus/clarkb: i'll volunteer to write the spec, i think i've got the gist of the ideas from this and zuul conversation | 19:50 |
| corvus | clarkb: ++ (but i'd love an assignment) | 19:50 |
| clarkb | corvus: ^ looks like we have one, thanks ianw | 19:50 |
| fungi | thanks ianw! | 19:50 |
| corvus | ianw: great, thanks. expect interest/help from me. | 19:51 |
| clarkb | #topic Open Discussion | 19:51 |
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| anteaya | I have a thing | 19:51 |
| clarkb | anteaya: go for it | 19:51 |
| anteaya | thanks | 19:51 |
| anteaya | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557979/ is the current stand up a survey server patch | 19:52 |
| anteaya | it fails zuul puppet apply because the puppet module is written in puppet 4 | 19:52 |
| anteaya | so currently fungi has advised me to scope the module and pull what I need from it, rewrite it in the system-config patch and don't worry about using a module | 19:53 |
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| fungi | skimming that module, most of its complexity is around managing the database and webserver which we'd want to override anyway | 19:53 |
| anteaya | just wanted folks to know current thought, the spec says we will use a module or create one | 19:53 |
| anteaya | anyone object? | 19:53 |
| mordred | that seems like a great path forward for now- especially given the discussion around considering puppet4-5/ansible/containers | 19:53 |
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| anteaya | mordred, thank you | 19:54 |
| anteaya | I'll offer a new patch to the spec to state the new module-less direction | 19:54 |
| mordred | it doesn't seem like investing in a module creation for this would be the right place to spendeffort | 19:54 |
| fungi | we could revisit leveraging the limesurvey module if/when we're on newer puppet or at least have the opportunity to run different puppet versions to deploy different services | 19:54 |
| anteaya | with rationale | 19:54 |
| mordred | anteaya: cool | 19:54 |
| mordred | fungi: ++ | 19:54 |
| clarkb | seems like a reasonable way forward | 19:54 |
| anteaya | thank you | 19:54 |
| corvus | i'm torn. i feel like we finally got all 'general purpose' puppet code out of system-config. i feel like that's a bit of a step backward. maybe it's a calculated regression we want to make. | 19:55 |
| ianw | anteaya: if we fork the module and remove the "String " bits, does it work? | 19:55 |
| anteaya | ianw I don't know, I haven't tried that yet | 19:55 |
| ianw | you could try that by forking it privately on github and updating modules.env, then re-running ci | 19:55 |
| anteaya | I have zero puppet, I'm copy pasting here | 19:55 |
| fungi | we could make our own module for it, though that gets into the territory of competing with a module on the forge (specifically so that we can support an eol puppet version with it) | 19:55 |
| anteaya | any direction I take means that fungi or someone else has to hold my hand | 19:56 |
| pabelanger | my internet is terrible today, apologies to people that have send a message my way | 19:56 |
| anteaya | the limesurvey puppet person is looking for a new maintainer | 19:56 |
| anteaya | I emailed him last week and cc'd clark on it and heard no reply | 19:56 |
| anteaya | corvus I totally get your stance, I wish I had cmurphys puppet ability here | 19:57 |
| anteaya | but the thing is I'm on my own dime, trying to get something up so I can get consulting contracts which I want to shop at the summit | 19:57 |
| anteaya | not trying to bend infra policy | 19:57 |
| clarkb | I'd be wary of volunteering to maintain that module long term given we need to decide our own long term plans there but maybe that is an option should we decide to continue with puppet | 19:57 |
| anteaya | but I need to get a product I'm able to offer a paying customer soon | 19:58 |
| fungi | it's hard to say how much general-purpose puppet we'd be introducing into a class in system-config for this. it could be fairly minimal depending on how complex deploying limesurvey actually is | 19:58 |
| clarkb | and we can convert to that module under new maintainerhsip (us) at that point | 19:58 |
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| ianw | anteaya: i can give you a hand seeing if the changes to the module are minimal for puppet3 support; see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/559178/ | 20:00 |
| corvus | i'm not going to object to putting some puppet in system-config, just that if we do, that's something that we're likely going to want to change if we upgrade puppet. | 20:00 |
| corvus | it's also how we ended up with people wanting to run our system-config repo, and how we ended up with puppet-openstackci. :) | 20:00 |
| clarkb | corvus: ++ we can capture that in the spec too | 20:00 |
| clarkb | and we are at time. Thank you everyone | 20:00 |
| clarkb | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
| anteaya | ianw thanks I'll accept your offer, if it doesn't work, I'd like to leave the meeting with a back up plan if we can | 20:00 |
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| fungi | oh, yeah i expect it to be wrapped in a big flashing #TODO comment for rip-and-replace once we can puppet 4 | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2018/infra.2018-04-10-19.01.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2018/infra.2018-04-10-19.01.txt | 20:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2018/infra.2018-04-10-19.01.log.html | 20:01 |
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| corvus | anteaya: my read is that put it in system-config is a backup plan we can work with | 20:01 |
| anteaya | corvus, thank you | 20:01 |
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