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| ekcs | #startmeeting congressteammeeting | 02:32 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Apr 20 02:32:15 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekcs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 02:32 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 02:32 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting' | 02:32 |
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| masahito | hi | 02:32 |
| ekcs | hi masahito ! | 02:32 |
| ekcs | how’s it been? | 02:32 |
| masahito | going well | 02:32 |
| ekcs | great! | 02:33 |
| ekcs | hi all topics are here as usual. feel free to add yours! https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-meeting-topics | 02:33 |
| ekcs | Not many topics today so far. | 02:34 |
| ekcs | first is just a quick announcement that Rocky-1 is this week and we tagged congress-server and congress-dashboard today. | 02:35 |
| ekcs | no substantive patches in congress-client yet to require new release. | 02:35 |
| ekcs | #topic additional policy engines | 02:37 |
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| ekcs | Since we don’t have much to talk about today I figure I’ll give an early report on something I’m working on. | 02:38 |
| ekcs | from the beginning congress was architected to support multiple policy engines. hence the name “agnostic” of the main engine meaning something like the basic policy engine. | 02:39 |
| ekcs | but so far we have not really created additional policy engines in a big way. we did have the experimental VM placement policy engine. | 02:40 |
| ekcs | I’ve been thinking for quite a while now about wanting to support additional policy engines because 1. the performance of agnostic is necessarily limited by a) python and b) lack of specialized database optimization. | 02:42 |
| ekcs | and 2. different language and formalism may be preferred/needed for users. for example, agnostic doesn’t currently support aggregates. having a SQL based policy engine would take care of that. another thing that’s come up is the lack of support for nested data like JSON. some SQL databases also have good support for that. | 02:44 |
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| ekcs | still it was never high enough priority to undertake a pretty major effort like this. | 02:45 |
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| ekcs | but pierre at orange had some networking route analysis use cases that required greater expressiveness as well as performance than the standard agnostic had. and he’s looking to integrate a z3-prover based policy engine. | 02:46 |
| ekcs | so we finally have more impetus to do it. | 02:46 |
| masahito | sounds nice. | 02:47 |
| ekcs | basic idea is that different policy engines can use different formalisms as long as they can communicate with each other through the tables formalism provided by DSE. | 02:47 |
| masahito | Which limit is the reason pierre introduced new engine? | 02:47 |
| ekcs | both expressiveness and performance. on expressiveness they need recursion to compute routes. like if a is connected to b and b is connected to c and c is connected to …. z, then a is connected to z. | 02:48 |
| ekcs | also because there are many many routes in a data center computing properties and security on all of them takes a long time. I don’t know the details but he said even on the much faster z3 prover it takes a long time like maybe 1hr. | 02:50 |
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| masahito | got it | 02:50 |
| ekcs | here’s an example: https://github.com/Orange-OpenSource/octant/blob/master/examples/routing/routing.dtl | 02:51 |
| ekcs | that’s the project he already created to do it independently of congress. | 02:52 |
| ekcs | anyway so the main difficulity we’ve run into is that congress data tables are not well-typed, whereas most performant engines (z3, sql, etc.) require explicit column types. so that’s something I’ve been working on. | 02:53 |
| ekcs | that’s all just an report. took a littel longer than expected =p | 02:54 |
| ekcs | definitely eager to hear thoughts or ideas if it jogs anything | 02:54 |
| ekcs | anyway that’s all I have today. anything else to discuss? if not we can call it and talk next week =) | 02:55 |
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| ekcs | ok then let’s call it for today. thanks and see you next week! | 02:59 |
| ekcs | #endmeeting | 02:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Apr 20 02:59:06 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 02:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2018/congressteammeeting.2018-04-20-02.32.html | 02:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2018/congressteammeeting.2018-04-20-02.32.txt | 02:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2018/congressteammeeting.2018-04-20-02.32.log.html | 02:59 |
| masahito | bye | 02:59 |
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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Apr 20 14:00:13 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 14:00 |
| mlavalle | Hi there! | 14:00 |
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| haleyb | hi | 14:03 |
| mlavalle | hey haleyb. amotoki mentioned last week he won't join today | 14:04 |
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| mlavalle | let's wait for yamamoto to have quorum | 14:04 |
| yamamoto | hi | 14:04 |
| mlavalle | and there he is | 14:04 |
| mlavalle | so we have quorum | 14:04 |
| mlavalle | first RFE for today is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1763347 | 14:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1763347 in neutron "internal: cannot apply standard attributes to sub-resources" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Thomas Morin (tmmorin-orange) | 14:05 |
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| mlavalle | related patch set is here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/560907/ | 14:07 |
| mlavalle | it sounds reasonable. I just wonder in what situation he want to apply that | 14:09 |
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| haleyb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/558741/ might show why | 14:11 |
| haleyb | Beyond their intrinsic marginal usefullness, standard attributes [1] also include a revision number that helps avoid some races in OVO-based RPCs for resource updates. | 14:11 |
| haleyb | that depends on the other change | 14:11 |
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| mlavalle | yeap | 14:11 |
| mlavalle | that makes sense | 14:11 |
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| yamamoto | so he wants to have revision number for bgpvpn xxx_association sub resources? | 14:13 |
| mlavalle | it seems so | 14:13 |
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| yamamoto | it sounds fine to me | 14:15 |
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| mlavalle | this change just adds the standard attribute to some of the bgpvpn sub-resources | 14:16 |
| mlavalle | so yeah, it maskes sense to me | 14:16 |
| mlavalle | I am fine with it | 14:16 |
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| haleyb | that's consensus | 14:18 |
| yamamoto | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+bug/1765391 has an explanation of the motivation | 14:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1765391 in networking-bgpvpn "add standard attributes to all BGPVPN resources" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Thomas Morin (tmmorin-orange) | 14:18 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: do you have any reserves about it? | 14:18 |
| mlavalle | reservations^^^^ | 14:18 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: no, i'm fine with it | 14:19 |
| mlavalle | ok, good. we don't need to make decisions here with total majority, but is is good to hear the counter argument if there is any :-) | 14:20 |
| mlavalle | so, marking this RFE as approved | 14:20 |
| mlavalle | Done | 14:21 |
| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1748132 | 14:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1748132 in neutron "[RFE] Can not create router gateway without external_fixed_ips" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Guoshuai Li (liguoshuai1990) | 14:21 |
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| mlavalle | With this one we decided to leave a question last week to clarify to use case | 14:23 |
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| mlavalle | amotoki left that question | 14:23 |
| mlavalle | and the submitter hasn't responded yet | 14:23 |
| haleyb | would be good to have an answer | 14:24 |
| mlavalle | I think the next step I will prompt him / her with an additional comment and see what happens | 14:24 |
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| mlavalle | Done | 14:26 |
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| yamamoto | maybe a provider can give users an incentive to save ips. eg. make them pay for each ips :-) | 14:26 |
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| mlavalle | do you want to add that comment? | 14:27 |
| mlavalle | to the RFE? | 14:27 |
| yamamoto | sure. i'm good at copy and paste. | 14:28 |
| mlavalle | LOL | 14:28 |
| * mlavalle gives yamamoto a few seconds to copy and paste | 14:28 | |
| yamamoto | done | 14:29 |
| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1756705 | 14:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1756705 in neutron "RFE: New Neutron extension for binding levels" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Evgeny Fedoruk (evgenyf) | 14:29 |
| mlavalle | It seems the submitter works for LBaaS appliances provider, so they want to know the HPB details to configure their system | 14:30 |
| mlavalle | which sounds reasonable to me | 14:31 |
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| haleyb | radware | 14:32 |
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| mlavalle | yeah, that makes sense | 14:32 |
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| yamamoto | do we need an input from ml2 folks? they are not so active these days though. | 14:33 |
| mlavalle | besides, we are not touching the HPB code in ML@ | 14:34 |
| mlavalle | ML2^^^^ | 14:34 |
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| mlavalle | we would just expose HPB details through the port response, IIUC | 14:34 |
| mlavalle | right? | 14:34 |
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| yamamoto | i wonder there might be a reason they chose not to expose details via api | 14:35 |
| mlavalle | we can always ask rkukura. he stiil connects to IRC | 14:37 |
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| mlavalle | he haleyb's neighbor in New England, so must be working | 14:39 |
| haleyb | yes, no show today so we work | 14:39 |
| haleyb | s/show/snow | 14:39 |
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| mlavalle | he is not responding. I can take the action item to hunt him down in IRC over the next few days and ask his opinion | 14:41 |
| mlavalle | would that make sense? | 14:41 |
| yamamoto | yes | 14:41 |
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| yamamoto | haleyb: you don't work when you have snow? | 14:42 |
| mlavalle | no, fears getting wet | 14:42 |
| mlavalle | :-) | 14:42 |
| haleyb | yamamoto: i melt :) | 14:43 |
| haleyb | it did snow yesterday though, strange spring we're having | 14:43 |
| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1761823 | 14:43 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1761823 in neutron "[RFE] Introduce /ip-address resource" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 14:43 |
| mlavalle | this came as a suggestion during this meeting a few weeks ago | 14:44 |
| mlavalle | I want it to get decision, positive or negative, and not be forgotten. Wonder what would be the next step | 14:45 |
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| mlavalle | hongbin_: is it your plan to continue elaborating the /ip-address idea? | 14:46 |
| mlavalle | or yours yamamoto? | 14:46 |
| hongbin_ | mlavalle: possibly not, since i would focus on other things | 14:46 |
| yamamoto | i don't volunteer at this point | 14:47 |
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| mlavalle | hongbin_: that's fine. I just wanted to set the expectation correctly | 14:47 |
| mlavalle | in light of that, I will leave a note in the RFE and mark it as postponed | 14:48 |
| hongbin_ | +1 | 14:48 |
| yamamoto | +1 | 14:49 |
| mlavalle | and that is all I had for today's meeting | 14:49 |
| mlavalle | are there any other topics we should discuss today? | 14:49 |
| hongbin_ | i would like to bring this one up if it is a proper place to discuss it https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1749304 | 14:50 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1749304 in neutron "RFE: Support filter by attribute with empty value" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 14:50 |
| hongbin_ | i would like to know what is the driver team opinion on this one | 14:51 |
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| mlavalle | hongbin_: yeah, we can look at it | 14:51 |
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| hongbin_ | mlavalle: ok, thx | 14:51 |
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| yamamoto | the current behaviour doesn't sound intuitive | 14:53 |
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| mlavalle | meaning the the inituitive behavior should be to be able to filter by ""? | 14:54 |
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| yamamoto | yes. or an error. | 14:55 |
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| mlavalle | that makes sense to me | 14:57 |
| mlavalle | I would lean towards allowing filtering by "" | 14:57 |
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| mlavalle | what do tohers think? | 14:57 |
| mlavalle | others^^^ | 14:57 |
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| hongbin_ | either supporting "" or raise an error is fine with me | 14:58 |
| haleyb | +1 i guess, there is a use case | 14:59 |
| mlavalle | yeah, there is a use case | 14:59 |
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| mlavalle | yamamoto: you ok approving it with allowing filtering by ""? | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | let's finish in the Neutron channel | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Apr 20 15:00:28 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2018/neutron_drivers.2018-04-20-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2018/neutron_drivers.2018-04-20-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2018/neutron_drivers.2018-04-20-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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