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| zhiyuan | hi | 00:59 |
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| xuzhuang | hi | 00:59 |
| Yipei | hi | 00:59 |
| song | hi | 01:00 |
| zhiyuan | #startmeeting tricircle | 01:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 25 01:00:42 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zhiyuan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 01:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 01:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 01:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 01:00 |
| song | hi,zhiyuan I would like to introduce an old friend to you! | 01:00 |
| zhangchi | hi caizhiyuan | 01:01 |
| zhiyuan | wow, zhangchi! | 01:01 |
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| song | zhangchi have joined in our team. | 01:02 |
| song | he will work in tricircle.:) | 01:02 |
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| zhiyuan | welcome to join tricircle, zhangchi! | 01:02 |
| zhangchi | no long no see tks | 01:02 |
| zhangchi | long time no see | 01:03 |
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| zhiyuan | cool, zhangchi developed the first version of tricircle, which is called cascading! | 01:05 |
| song | yes,we all hope he can do more in tricircle. | 01:05 |
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| song | make the tricircle more perfect! | 01:06 |
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| zhangchi | try my best:) | 01:07 |
| zhiyuan | ok, I see the patch for port releasing after vm deletion is updated, thanks for fixing this bug! | 01:10 |
| zhiyuan | since we introduce shadow port, this bug is a bit complex to solve | 01:11 |
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| song | you are welcome . yes xiaohan is good at network. | 01:12 |
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| song | and he can do some new work in tricircle. | 01:13 |
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| zhiyuan | what's the progress of the "local resource naming" feature? | 01:16 |
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| song | it look like we do not need change any code for this.I have search the func for prepare_top_element,it is only be used | 01:17 |
| song | in central_plugin,but look here it look like it is already used name+id.look below link: | 01:17 |
| song | https://github.com/openstack/tricircle/blob/4b5b0b7ce40bf8febf98c8066311adf2953d23ee/tricircle/network/central_plugin.py#L1504 | 01:17 |
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| zhiyuan | the line shows "net_name = t_constants.bridge_net_name % project_id", only project_id is injected | 01:20 |
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| song | so s/project_id/id? | 01:22 |
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| zhiyuan | I think prepare_top_element is creating central resource, what we need to rename is local resource | 01:23 |
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| song | https://github.com/openstack/tricircle/blob/b44f108a6b0d1f869b2dd4f1b55e7b4b4e2e53e2/tricircle/network/helper.py#L224 | 01:25 |
| song | this one? | 01:25 |
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| zhiyuan | yes, you can see "get_bottom_network_name" is called | 01:27 |
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| zhiyuan | so for network, local name is id+name | 01:27 |
| zhiyuan | https://github.com/openstack/tricircle/blob/master/tricircle/common/utils.py#L123 | 01:27 |
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| song | oh,got it.ths! | 01:29 |
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| zhiyuan | at least we can rename subnet and port | 01:31 |
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| zhiyuan | Yipei, how about the new l3 networking model, any update? | 01:34 |
| song__ | agree with it. | 01:34 |
| Yipei | enable external network with transparent local router is ongoing, it will be complete in a week or two | 01:35 |
| Yipei | next part is introducing routed network, and then is the floatingip creation | 01:37 |
| zhiyuan | not quite get the first part, what does "transparent local router" mean? | 01:37 |
| Yipei | create a external network as well as creating a local router for the external network | 01:39 |
| zhiyuan | you mean creating the local router when the external network is created? | 01:40 |
| Yipei | yes | 01:40 |
| zhiyuan | but external network may be created before central router | 01:42 |
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| Yipei | yes, i mean the router creation includes local and central router creation, "the local router" means "a non-distributed router" which is only attached to one external network | 01:44 |
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| zhiyuan | create central router automatically? | 01:45 |
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| Yipei | yes, and the router is transparent to users | 01:46 |
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| zhiyuan | hmm, this interaction is different from the normal one. normally user (1) create external network (2) create router (3) set router gateway | 01:47 |
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| zhangchi | zhiyuan any more infos about the task "Driver-based implementation of Trunk the current implementaion is plugin-based"? | 01:51 |
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| Yipei | i think there are two logic: (1) create a routed network(including real external networks); (2) create a distributed router; (3) set router gateway; the second one is when creating real external networks, a router is created and attached to the external network. | 01:52 |
| zhiyuan | zhangchi, our current implementation of trunk is to rewrite the whole plugin, but neutron expost trunk driver so I think we can write a new tricircle driver for trunk plugin | 01:53 |
| zhiyuan | https://github.com/openstack/neutron/tree/master/neutron/services/trunk/drivers | 01:53 |
| Yipei | when setting the gateway of routed network to the distributed router, the local routers and the distributed router are connected via bridge network | 01:53 |
| zhiyuan | so when will local router be created? when setting gateway or when creating central router? | 01:57 |
| zhangchi | ok I read it first kind of you :) | 01:57 |
| Yipei | all the three steps are done when creating a external network | 01:58 |
| zhiyuan | so we don't provide user the chance to create central router? | 01:58 |
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| Yipei | yes, they only need to create one distributed router | 01:59 |
| zhiyuan | does user need to set external network gateway as the distributed router? | 02:00 |
| Yipei | they only need to set the gateway of the routed network as the distributed router | 02:02 |
| zhiyuan | oh i see, so the distributed router is what I mean "central router" | 02:02 |
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| Yipei | oh, i see, not the router in central neutron | 02:03 |
| zhiyuan | I think time's up, let's discuss offline | 02:04 |
| song__ | good | 02:05 |
| zhiyuan | thanks for attending the meeting | 02:05 |
| song__ | bye | 02:06 |
| xuzhuang | bye | 02:06 |
| Yipei | bye | 02:06 |
| zhangchi | enjoy bye | 02:06 |
| zhiyuan | bye | 02:06 |
| zhiyuan | #endmeeting | 02:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 02:07 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 25 02:07:01 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 02:07 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2018/tricircle.2018-04-25-01.00.html | 02:07 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2018/tricircle.2018-04-25-01.00.txt | 02:07 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2018/tricircle.2018-04-25-01.00.log.html | 02:07 |
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| diablo_rojo_ | #startmeeting fc_sig | 08:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 25 08:01:25 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is diablo_rojo_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:01 |
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| diablo_rojo_ | Hello party people :) | 08:01 |
| diablo_rojo_ | cmurphy, gmann around? | 08:01 |
| diablo_rojo_ | mattoliverau, said its a holiday so he won't be around | 08:02 |
| gmann | o/ | 08:02 |
| gmann | ok, may be we can quickly wrap today, i too got some customer related work | 08:02 |
| diablo_rojo_ | gmann, if cmurphy isnt around we can probably skip- not much news. | 08:02 |
| diablo_rojo_ | I guess I have one thing | 08:03 |
| cmurphy | hi o/ around but will have to leave a little early for a dentist appt | 08:03 |
| gmann | yea, we can just updates the news with skipping the usual agenda | 08:03 |
| diablo_rojo_ | Okay well we can just do this super quickly | 08:03 |
| diablo_rojo_ | So | 08:04 |
| gmann | +1 | 08:04 |
| diablo_rojo_ | #topic Announcements | 08:04 |
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| diablo_rojo_ | Its looking like the forum schedule is just about ready to post (I don't think its up yet but I've seen drafts) | 08:04 |
| diablo_rojo_ | And it looks like both of our talks will be accepted! | 08:04 |
| gmann | wow \o/ | 08:05 |
| diablo_rojo_ | The state of the union/adding operators one | 08:05 |
| diablo_rojo_ | And the base requirements for contributing organizations one | 08:05 |
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| diablo_rojo_ | So! When the schedule gets published we should all add those to our schedules | 08:05 |
| gmann | good news, any idea when it will be published ? | 08:05 |
| diablo_rojo_ | gmann, I would guess by the end of the week? Early next week at the latest | 08:06 |
| gmann | ok | 08:06 |
| diablo_rojo_ | I saw the draft the other day. I think they were doing a few more tweaks before getting it out there. | 08:06 |
| diablo_rojo_ | I thiiink thats all I had that was new news. | 08:06 |
| diablo_rojo_ | Anyone have anything else? | 08:07 |
| * cmurphy nope | 08:07 | |
| gmann | just 1 update | 08:07 |
| diablo_rojo_ | What's up gmann ? :) | 08:07 |
| gmann | next full week is golden week holiday in japan so i would be available | 08:07 |
| gmann | ll be back on 6th may | 08:08 |
| diablo_rojo_ | OH I guess I have one other thing too. | 08:08 |
| diablo_rojo_ | I will be in Bermuda next week | 08:08 |
| diablo_rojo_ | I can send an email out about cancelling the meeting. | 08:08 |
| diablo_rojo_ | Might put a note in the wiki too | 08:08 |
| cmurphy | wat | 08:08 |
| gmann | yea | 08:08 |
| diablo_rojo_ | cmurphy, yeah :) The bf's job gave us a trip to Bermuda. | 08:08 |
| cmurphy | mattoliverau goes to fiji and diablo_rojo_ goes to bermuda | 08:08 |
| cmurphy | nice | 08:08 |
| gmann | :) | 08:09 |
| diablo_rojo_ | cmurphy, yeah its pretty legit :) | 08:09 |
| diablo_rojo_ | have fun at the dentist cmurphy ;) | 08:09 |
| cmurphy | lol | 08:09 |
| cmurphy | not quite the same as bermuda | 08:09 |
| gmann | i am planning for Kyoto trip , pending since long time even being 4 years here | 08:09 |
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| diablo_rojo_ | gmann, never been to Japan- someday though :) | 08:10 |
| diablo_rojo_ | Okay I think thats all the annoucements we have then? | 08:10 |
| gmann | diablo_rojo_: oh, you were not in tokyo summit? | 08:10 |
| diablo_rojo_ | gmann, sadly not, I had been working on openstack for like ~6+ months at that point and my employer at the time wouldn't send me | 08:11 |
| diablo_rojo_ | Shall we call it? | 08:11 |
| gmann | oh but plan its nice place | 08:11 |
| gmann | yea we can close. | 08:11 |
| diablo_rojo_ | Cool. Everyone keep fighting the good fight! :) | 08:12 |
| diablo_rojo_ | Thanks for coming even if it was short. | 08:12 |
| gmann | thanks and gn diablo_rojo_ cmurphy | 08:12 |
| cmurphy | thanks y'all | 08:12 |
| diablo_rojo_ | #endmeeting | 08:12 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 25 08:12:37 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:12 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fc_sig/2018/fc_sig.2018-04-25-08.01.html | 08:12 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fc_sig/2018/fc_sig.2018-04-25-08.01.txt | 08:12 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fc_sig/2018/fc_sig.2018-04-25-08.01.log.html | 08:12 |
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| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-sig | 11:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 25 11:00:41 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 11:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 11:00 |
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| oneswig | greetings o/ | 11:01 |
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| martial_ | Hello everyone | 11:01 |
| daveholland | hi | 11:01 |
| oneswig | #link agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_SIG#IRC_Meeting_April_25th_2018 | 11:01 |
| oneswig | We have a guest speaker, but he may be a little late | 11:02 |
| oneswig | How about we cover some of the AOB first | 11:02 |
| oneswig | #topic Vancouver summit planning | 11:03 |
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| oneswig | Two forum topics proposed at present | 11:03 |
| oneswig | #link etherpad for forum https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR18-scientific-sig-brainstorming | 11:03 |
| oneswig | There was a good deal of interest in blazar's model of reservations at the PTG. I wonder if that would make a good subject. | 11:04 |
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| qwebirc54714 | hey there | 11:05 |
| oneswig | martial_: do you remember the date for submissions? | 11:05 |
| qwebirc54714 | CHristian Kniep here | 11:05 |
| oneswig | Hi Christian - thanks for coming along | 11:06 |
| oneswig | and at short notice too | 11:06 |
| verdurin | Afternoon. | 11:06 |
| qwebirc54714 | are we going to stick with IRC? | 11:06 |
| oneswig | I think so - all the meetings are logged and I often get messages from people who read the logs afterwards | 11:06 |
| oneswig | It's a low-intensity form of meeting... | 11:07 |
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| oneswig | Shall we get started? | 11:07 |
| oneswig | #topic Docker and HPC environments | 11:07 |
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| martial_ | Which workshop? | 11:07 |
| oneswig | So I met Christian and martial_ met Christine around the same time | 11:07 |
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| oneswig | martial_: Vancouver forum | 11:08 |
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| oneswig | #link Christian's presentation on Docker and HPC https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1ol0WHEhzT7dukafGKf7gE06wz2cIBeDYcvSzpbz_Nss/edit#slide=id.g1e0da86092_0_4 | 11:09 |
| qwebirc54714 | I am sorry guys; I was not aware that it will be textual. Am I supposed to walk you trough the presentation now? | 11:10 |
| oneswig | Q&A works well, is that OK? | 11:10 |
| qwebirc54714 | ok, cool... I only have like 10min as I have to jump on something that came up. | 11:10 |
| qwebirc54714 | shoot | 11:11 |
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| oneswig | Christian - there's two sides to this integration I think. Stuff that HPC people want to see and stuff that Docker does that HPC doesn't want to see. Is that true? | 11:11 |
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| qwebirc54714 | kind of, yes. Coming from the cloudy side of things; docker fancies being host-agnostic, while HPC/AI needs to be host-specific in order to mount in certain shared file-systems and devices | 11:12 |
| oneswig | Can you talk about what your projects in Docker are aiming to improve? | 11:13 |
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| oneswig | for HPC use cases that is | 11:13 |
| qwebirc54714 | furthermore, a user has to be honored no matter what; thus pinning the UID:GID for a given container according to the user executing the docker run is a must | 11:13 |
| qwebirc54714 | page 31 explains what we need to do in order to fix it. | 11:14 |
| qwebirc54714 | the improvement would be reproducibility, portability (this time for real) and (my favorite) performance-optimization since the container file-system only has to support the solver and not all the services around it (syslog, slurmd, ...) | 11:15 |
| oneswig | How do you see workload schedulers working - slurmd talks to dockerd, or something more streamlined? | 11:15 |
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| martial_ | Oneswig: "Deadline for proposing Forum topics. Scheduling committee meeting to make draft agenda" was April 15 | 11:15 |
| oneswig | ah, oops... | 11:15 |
| qwebirc54714 | first iteration: the batch scripts fires up the container, either `create` in a prolog or `run` in the script. Later on we can have a look at more optimised solutions | 11:16 |
| qwebirc54714 | from my POV: page 25 in the end | 11:16 |
| qwebirc54714 | the workload schedulers schedule and let the engine execute the binary (within a container of course) | 11:17 |
| oneswig | Christian - there was reference in the feedback at HPCAC to a desire to have a process group lineage, which dockerd doesn't provide. Is that something you've seen much? | 11:17 |
| qwebirc54714 | process group lineage... can you elaborate a bit - not sure I understand | 11:17 |
| oneswig | parent, child, process tree | 11:18 |
| oneswig | I think that was the issue | 11:18 |
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| oneswig | The bash script you mentioned doesn't have a descendent which is the active workload | 11:19 |
| qwebirc54714 | yeah, ok... I guess you are hinting at MPI wire-up. I did it by spawning orted using a fake ssh client so far | 11:19 |
| oneswig | I'm aware you're tight for time. Have you got a link to your work? | 11:20 |
| qwebirc54714 | that would be something to work on, I reckon that the docker-engine could include a PMIx server and we are all fine - but that is a long way to iterate towards | 11:20 |
| qwebirc54714 | https://github.com/qnib/go-wharfie | 11:20 |
| qwebirc54714 | but the README needs an update with an example.... :/ | 11:20 |
| oneswig | Thanks. You think this kind of HPC-oriented runtime configuration is a way off - any idea how far? | 11:21 |
| qwebirc54714 | I did a hack last week, forcing the changes upon the docker-engine | 11:22 |
| qwebirc54714 | https://github.com/qnib/moby/blob/houdini/HOUDINI.md | 11:22 |
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| qwebirc54714 | but that is far from being the solutions; it is a hack, but that is the functionality I would like to see | 11:23 |
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| oneswig | This is for enabling GPU passthrough specifically? | 11:23 |
| qwebirc54714 | you can map in any device, so IB/OPA should work as well - didn't have access to an IB system | 11:24 |
| qwebirc54714 | also default mounts for a given cluster, based on how it is mounted on the host | 11:25 |
| qwebirc54714 | like /A/home vs /B/home has to be mounted to /home | 11:25 |
| oneswig | Seems useful to me... There were some interesting points around IB and network isolation. | 11:26 |
| oneswig | Some people do not co-locate running workloads on the same node but others do. | 11:26 |
| oneswig | But those that do share an IB resource today and seem happy with it. | 11:26 |
| oneswig | Is anything more necessary in terms of isolation? | 11:27 |
| qwebirc54714 | it is a start and I won't go into the weeds of site-specific solutions. :) | 11:27 |
| qwebirc54714 | there is no silver bullet for HPC, not even a bronce one. :) | 11:27 |
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| oneswig | Is this use case getting much interest within Docker inc? | 11:28 |
| qwebirc54714 | I rather provide the building blocks and a flexible solution, so that sites and vendors can tailor it to their needs | 11:28 |
| qwebirc54714 | The GPU use-case might carry it over the finish line. Much more buzz then in HPC land | 11:28 |
| oneswig | Certainly seems that way with AI | 11:29 |
| qwebirc54714 | but as I showed in page26ff: the GPU use-case will end up as a tightly coupled, distributed workload relying on RDMA and shared filesystems. | 11:29 |
| qwebirc54714 | et voila - you have your HPC job covered right there | 11:29 |
| qwebirc54714 | and I do not care how we get over the finish line. | 11:29 |
| oneswig | Looking ahead, do you see the OCI components changing things, around runC for example? | 11:30 |
| qwebirc54714 | 5min more, then I have to drop | 11:30 |
| qwebirc54714 | there was a RDMA namespace PR a couple of weeks ago | 11:30 |
| qwebirc54714 | https://github.com/opencontainers/runtime-spec/pull/942 | 11:30 |
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| qwebirc54714 | runC has almost everything we need to make it work; it is the stack above the needs to be enabled. the engine and containerd | 11:31 |
| oneswig | I think the one you linked to was RDMA cgroups rather than a namespace - isn't that more about resource management? | 11:31 |
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| qwebirc54714 | Haven't look at it but my understanding is that it's both. | 11:32 |
| oneswig | I saw this - assume you're well familiar with it: https://rootlesscontaine.rs/ | 11:32 |
| b1airo | o/ hello all, sorry for being late! Now what's the most annoying question I can ask that has already been discussed...? | 11:33 |
| qwebirc54714 | to me, user-land container are just a drop-in replacement like singularity and shifter that will work with existing workloads. | 11:33 |
| oneswig | Hi b1airo | 11:33 |
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| oneswig | #chair martial_ b1airo | 11:33 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b1airo martial_ oneswig | 11:33 |
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| qwebirc54714 | it's about the abstraction/orchestration above and the streamlining of the execution no matter what orchestration you are using. | 11:34 |
| oneswig | qwebirc54714: the drop-in bit is quite appealing. Perhaps the user portability between environments is maximised then | 11:34 |
| qwebirc54714 | I know it is appealing but you need to be OCI compliant in order to hook into kubernetes and swarm (and the future once). | 11:35 |
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| qwebirc54714 | shifter, singularity and alike (IMHO) can not be OCI compliant as they would need to become runC + a bit of containerd | 11:35 |
| qwebirc54714 | ok guys, have to drop out. sorry for being in a hurry | 11:36 |
| oneswig | OK thanks Christian. | 11:36 |
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| martial_ | Thanks Christian | 11:37 |
| priteau | Thanks! | 11:37 |
| martial_ | (too slow on my phone keyboard) | 11:37 |
| daveholland | thanks | 11:37 |
| oneswig | It's an interesting question on oci compliance and kubernetes integration | 11:37 |
| martial_ | Is Christine still with us? | 11:37 |
| oneswig | I'm not sure they are aiming for that but I do think the commonality of codebase helps with maintainability | 11:38 |
| daveholland | do users typically ask for "I want to run containers" or "I want something with OCI compliance"? (the former, IME) | 11:38 |
| priteau | I suppose they generally want to run containers [that they already run elsewhere on a non-HPC environment] | 11:39 |
| oneswig | I think we have the same - the advantages of a familiar development environment. I don't think our users are onto defining their applications through kuberenets | 11:39 |
| verdurin | I think the question is whether, if you use k8s, that community will help you if you're not using something OCI-compliant | 11:40 |
| daveholland | oneswig: we have a few brave adventurers putting kubespray on top of openstack | 11:40 |
| oneswig | daveholland: we've used that, it's actually pretty easy to get something going. There's quite a bit of invention going on around integrating the two | 11:40 |
| oneswig | (as in, kuberenetes and openstack) | 11:40 |
| daveholland | yes | 11:41 |
| daveholland | but, it's "just" another bit of learning curve :) | 11:41 |
| oneswig | but mostly we like using Magnum, when we can | 11:41 |
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| oneswig | daveholland: and I'm sure they aren't doing it for the sysadmin skills, this is just in the way of their goal | 11:41 |
| daveholland | oneswig: oh exactly, we (sysadmins) are only just on top of openstack admin, before we think about providing container orchestration as-a-service | 11:42 |
| oneswig | The HPC container landscape is pretty interesting right now and OpenStack infrastructure sits especially well beneath it all | 11:43 |
| oneswig | OK, shall we move on? | 11:43 |
| oneswig | any final thoughts? | 11:43 |
| oneswig | It might be interesting to invite someone from one of the dedicated HPC container projects along for another point of view | 11:44 |
| martial_ | I need to check if both Christine and Christian are going to be at DockerCon | 11:45 |
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| oneswig | martial_: any comparison with what was discussed when you were at docker federal? | 11:45 |
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| oneswig | OK let's move on | 11:47 |
| oneswig | #topic conferences, AOB | 11:48 |
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| martial_ | Also I started a Supercomputing 18 BoF with our past Openstack crowd (that will be at sc) and Christian and Christine | 11:48 |
| martial_ | Today was more a technical how do we do it | 11:48 |
| martial_ | The other one was why we are doing it and what that means with a little bit of how | 11:48 |
| b1airo | Sounds good martial_ | 11:49 |
| martial_ | I was able to ask a couple more technical questions of Christine after | 11:49 |
| b1airo | I'm not sure where I'll be yet (Europe or US) | 11:49 |
| oneswig | I'm pretty sure I'll be in Berlin | 11:49 |
| oneswig | Is anyone here going to ISC? | 11:50 |
| oneswig | https://www.isc-hpc.com/ | 11:50 |
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| verdurin | oneswig: considering it | 11:51 |
| b1airo | I put the two Forum session suggestions that came via the SIG - GPUs and Preemptible Instances - in to the Forum site (albeit a day late) | 11:51 |
| b1airo | (for Vancouver) | 11:51 |
| oneswig | Alas I am not planning to go - but I'll be at HPC Knowledge Partnership in Barcelona the week before. | 11:51 |
| oneswig | b1airo: thanks! I'd not been keeping on top of that at all. | 11:51 |
| oneswig | Glad someone is... | 11:51 |
| martial_ | I can add you if you want Blair | 11:51 |
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| verdurin | oneswig: have you a link for the Barcelona event? | 11:52 |
| daveholland | both sessions are of interest to us but particularly preemptible | 11:52 |
| priteau | About the Forum, the Blazar has submitted a topic to discuss requirements for resource reservation across OpenStack | 11:52 |
| priteau | the Blazar *team* | 11:52 |
| verdurin | (don't worry, found it) | 11:53 |
| b1airo | oneswig: yeah I got invited for the Barcelona thing but can't go unfortunately. Alas, would have loved to return | 11:53 |
| oneswig | I don't think the programme's up yet but it's here: http://www.hpckp.org/index.php/annual-meeting/hpckp-18 | 11:53 |
| oneswig | priteau: excellent - was hoping it would get covered given the interest in Dublin | 11:53 |
| priteau | It still has to be selected of course | 11:54 |
| priteau | IIRC at the last summit we merged with another topic | 11:54 |
| b1airo | priteau: i.e. not just Nova resources? | 11:54 |
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| priteau | b1airo: indeed, we would like to integrate with other projects as well. Reserving floating IPs from Neutron is a use case for NFV. | 11:56 |
| priteau | #link http://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/details/111 | 11:56 |
| oneswig | I think Bob Budden also wanted a mention of the workshop on Container-based systems for Big data, Distributed and Parallel computing - in Turin in August - https://sites.google.com/view/cbdp18/home | 11:56 |
| oneswig | I assume that means he's going! | 11:57 |
| oneswig | priteau: if you'll be in Vancouver for this session, you should begin it with the demo of Chameleon's system. It's compelling. | 11:58 |
| b1airo | Love a call for participation that starts with, "Nowadays..." :-) | 11:58 |
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| b1airo | +1 to that suggestion | 11:59 |
| priteau | oneswig: unfortunately I cannot attend the Vancouver summit. From Blazar the NTT guys will be there. | 11:59 |
| b1airo | :-( | 11:59 |
| oneswig | Ah, too bad. | 11:59 |
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| oneswig | (although I am sure they'll do a great job) | 12:00 |
| b1airo | Looks like we are on the hour! | 12:00 |
| oneswig | Will you get that booking system upstream? | 12:00 |
| oneswig | ah, well spotted b1airo | 12:00 |
| oneswig | final comments!? | 12:00 |
| priteau | oneswig: that's the plan! | 12:00 |
| oneswig | +1 to that | 12:00 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 12:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 25 12:00:52 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-04-25-11.00.html | 12:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-04-25-11.00.txt | 12:00 |
| b1airo | Goodnight all! | 12:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-04-25-11.00.log.html | 12:00 |
| verdurin | Thanks, bye | 12:00 |
| oneswig | Thanks all | 12:01 |
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| priteau | Bye everyone | 12:01 |
| daveholland | thanks, ttfn | 12:01 |
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| martial_ | The Turin was me, Bob requested I share | 12:01 |
| martial_ | Thanks all | 12:01 |
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| mugsie | #startmeeting Designate | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 25 14:01:59 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 14:02 |
| mugsie | #topic Roll Call | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 14:02 | |
| mugsie | ping diman browny frickler bnemec daidv | 14:03 |
| bnemec | o/ | 14:04 |
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| diman | pong | 14:06 |
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| mugsie | #topic Announcements | 14:06 |
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| mugsie | R1 went out last week fyi | 14:06 |
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| mugsie | #topic Action Items | 14:06 |
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| mugsie | mugsie mail the -dev list with options, and get feedback | 14:06 |
| mugsie | (about office hours / staggered meeting times) | 14:06 |
| mugsie | so, I would like a little more feedback, but I like frickler's biweekly idea | 14:07 |
| mugsie | will give it another day or two, and then put up a suggestion | 14:07 |
| mugsie | #topic Bug Triage | 14:07 |
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| mugsie | no new bugs \o/ | 14:08 |
| mugsie | #topic Open Discussion | 14:08 |
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| mugsie | There is nothing of note merged last week, so no backports :) | 14:08 |
| mugsie | I have started work on DNSSEC record types fyi | 14:09 |
| mugsie | which can form the base of further DNSSEC work | 14:09 |
| mugsie | any other items? | 14:09 |
| diman | cool, any plans to implement CAA records as well? | 14:10 |
| mugsie | no, but that should be easy to do | 14:10 |
| mugsie | and a good idea | 14:10 |
| mugsie | and TLSA | 14:11 |
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| mugsie | any other topics for discussion, or are we finished for the day ? :) | 14:12 |
| mugsie | OK, then, have a great day! | 14:13 |
| mugsie | #endmeeting | 14:13 |
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| simon-AS559 | you too! | 14:13 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 25 14:13:41 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:13 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2018/designate.2018-04-25-14.01.html | 14:13 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2018/designate.2018-04-25-14.01.txt | 14:13 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2018/designate.2018-04-25-14.01.log.html | 14:13 |
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| simon-AS559 | Sorry for arriving late… fighting with my desktop | 14:14 |
| mugsie | simon-AS559: no problem :) | 14:14 |
| mugsie | oh, damn - missed one item | 14:14 |
| mugsie | Who is planning on going to denver? | 14:14 |
| mugsie | lets 302 -> #openstack-dns | 14:14 |
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| dpertin | #startmeeting fog-edge-massively-distributed-clouds | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 25 15:00:41 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dpertin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds' | 15:00 |
| dpertin | #chair dpertin | 15:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: dpertin | 15:00 |
| dpertin | Hi here! | 15:00 |
| dpertin | #topic roll call | 15:01 |
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| dpertin | #info dpertin - dimitri.pertin@inria.fr | 15:01 |
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| dpertin | Waiting few minutes for people to come | 15:01 |
| rcherrueau | #info rcherrueau - Ronan-Alexandre.Cherrueau@inria.fr | 15:01 |
| ansmith | o/ | 15:01 |
| marie_ | Hi | 15:02 |
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| dpertin | During this time you can jave a look at the agenda in the pad and contribute by adding any content you would like to talk during this meeting | 15:02 |
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| dpertin | #link | 15:02 |
| dpertin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/massively_distributed_ircmeetings_2018 (line 466) | 15:02 |
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| dpertin | Our beloved chairman _ad_rien is not here today since he enjoys a well-deserved rest due to the holiday period in France | 15:03 |
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| dpertin | I volunteered to chair this meeting but I would appreciate any help since it is my first time ;) | 15:04 |
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| dpertin | Ok, let's start! | 15:06 |
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| dpertin | #topic announcement | 15:06 |
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| dpertin | From our side, we released a new version of EnOS, our tool to deploy and benchmark different configurations of OpenStack | 15:06 |
| dpertin | #link https://github.com/BeyondTheClouds/enos/releases/tag/3.0.2 | 15:07 |
| dpertin | ^ here's the release note | 15:07 |
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| prmachan | #info prachan | 15:07 |
| dpertin | While this version is based on Pike, a new version should be released soon for OpenStack Queen | 15:07 |
| prmachan | #info pramchan | 15:07 |
| dpertin | #link https://github.com/BeyondTheClouds/enos/pull/239 | 15:08 |
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| dpertin | I think that's all from our side regarding announcements, does anyone want to add something? | 15:08 |
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| msimonin | o/ | 15:09 |
| prmachan | #yes | 15:09 |
| dpertin | prmachan: please go ahead ;) | 15:09 |
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| prmachan | #you are talking of enos and is there any one who can present that (Adrien?) at edge cloud meeting Thursday 12.30-1.45 PM at Vancouver summit? | 15:10 |
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| dpertin | prmachan: do you have a link please regarding this meeting? | 15:11 |
| prmachan | #After last presentaion at was it Sydney I do not recolect new upates presented and we are looking form Edge perspective to use enos | 15:11 |
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| prmachan | I have added to PTG let me get etherpad and have asked Alan/Castri to add it if Adrien can represent at Summit or anyone he assigns to | 15:13 |
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| dpertin | prmachan: this is not scheduled now but you can add a new item here: | 15:14 |
| dpertin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/FEMDC_Vancouver_brainstorming | 15:14 |
| dpertin | Are you refering to the FEMDC F2F on Thursday? | 15:14 |
| prmachan | https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2018/summit-schedule/events/21685/edge-working-group-session | 15:14 |
| dpertin | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2018/summit-schedule/global-search?t=femdc | 15:14 |
| prmachan | I have requested an additional session to cover following the onle listed above and room numbet will be smae except seesion 2 of edge will cover cross project co-ordination | 15:15 |
| prmachan | and I believe Adrian and MPP team is very improtant to to present enos to test different edge cloud uses cases | 15:16 |
| dpertin | prmachan: can you add an item regarding enos presentation/update in the brainstorming pad? Since we have two sessions we might have time for that | 15:17 |
| prmachan | #plus ONAP & OPNFVedge group are also requested to join the discussions to get blueprints discussions on minimizing overlaps | 15:17 |
| msimonin | prmachan: are you expecting anything specific about such presentation ? | 15:18 |
| prmachan | Yes I have already added and request Adrien to help us by providing support | 15:18 |
| rcherrueau | prmachan: Are you using EnOS, or do you plan to use it? | 15:19 |
| prmachan | #more an interactive session with some presentaion and co-ordinating with Dublin PTG discussiosn to get internal as well upstream co-ordination | 15:19 |
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| prmachan | #Want to see if we can use EnoS for testing edge clusters as part ofEdge cloud | 15:20 |
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| prmachan | #info Session 1 : Can focus on OpenStack internal efforts on Edge Cloud Co-ordination | 15:21 |
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| msimonin | This would be maybe more a feataure requests list to EnOs to better support testing of edge clusters | 15:21 |
| prmachan | #info Thursday May 24 Session2:12.40-1.50pm, in Room 217 ( Cross-Project Blueprints/Specs ONAP/OPNFV/OpenStack/TIP to minimize overlaps) | 15:22 |
| prmachan | #Note the context is Openstcak Vancouver summit if you missed that | 15:23 |
| prmachan | #msimoni has captured and summarized it very well - Thanks | 15:24 |
| msimonin | #thanks :) | 15:24 |
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| dpertin | Noted, thanks, the list of items regarding the Vancouver summit is still open, let's wait few weeks before setting the final agenda of the sessions | 15:25 |
| dpertin | Ok, shall we move forward? Other annoucements? | 15:25 |
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| dpertin | Let's move to the next topic | 15:26 |
| prmachan | #sure dpertin our goals are clear and we can bring more precision to it with all your help | 15:26 |
| dpertin | #topic ongoing-topic-gapanalysis | 15:26 |
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| dpertin | From our side, we are still waiting for the HotEdge notification | 15:26 |
| dpertin | Good news? Bad news? Let's keep our fingers crossed ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 15:27 |
| dpertin | Now, regarding the gap analysis... | 15:27 |
| dpertin | Thanks to csatari who organized two meetings, we have started to review the wiki page he created following the discussions at the PTG | 15:28 |
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| dpertin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenStack_Edge_Discussions_Dublin_PTG | 15:28 |
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| dpertin | csatari: don't know if you are here, would you like to add anything about it? | 15:29 |
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| dpertin | A third meeting will be scheduled soon if you want to be part of the review process | 15:29 |
| prmachan | +1 | 15:30 |
| dpertin | Following this analysis, we are some people at Inria discussing about how to extend OpenStack to provide the "collaboration between edge cloud instances" feature as defined in the wiki page made by csatari | 15:30 |
| dpertin | "cloud instance" refers to independent openstack instance like the ones provided by the OpenStack region mechanism | 15:31 |
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| dpertin | For that, we started to list few simple operations like: booting a VM on Site A, using an image from Site B | 15:31 |
| prmachan | reviewed it yesterday and which profile Smalla or Medium you use here in MPP/enos? | 15:31 |
| rcherrueau | prmachan: MPP? | 15:32 |
| dpertin | From this list, we identified that cross-site operations can be either inter-service/project (e.g. my previous example involves nova from site A and glance from site B) or intra-service/project (e.g. list VMs on site A and site B uses nova from site A and nova from site B) | 15:32 |
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| prmachan | So what they call Minimum Viable Solution(MVS) , how enos will use it and will conpute node or sites focus on multi core Massive Parallel Processing? | 15:33 |
| prmachan | I see | 15:33 |
| dpertin | This has an impact regarding the communications (apis, bus, databases) involved during a collaborative operation, which is critical regarding our analysis | 15:33 |
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| prmachan | Sounds perfect, question is what do I make of Original site vs. remote site therin , des it refer to Central and Edge sites/nodes? | 15:35 |
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| prmachan | so when you say Inter and Intra does refer to edge to edge or edge to central? | 15:36 |
| dpertin | For instance: for the inter-service example, nova from A asks an image to the glance from B, and glance can find the information in the database of B - however for the intra-service operations, nova in B might look for information only available in the database of A | 15:36 |
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| dpertin | prmachan: I would more segment operations between mono-site operations (either local or remote) and collaborative operations | 15:37 |
| prmachan | Are we tallking peer to peer openstack operations here independent of hierarachy of central and edge clouds? | 15:37 |
| prmachan | Now I undertans , thanks for expalinig mono-site | 15:38 |
| dpertin | collaborative operations = operations that involve multiple sites - it can be based on P2P mechanism | 15:38 |
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| rcherrueau | prmachan: regarding EnOS, there is nothing settled. EnOS helps us to deploy several OpenStack configuration for performance analyses. At some point, EnOS should be able to deploy small or medium edge nodes (to be honest, I am not sure to understand what small and medium refer to, in this context) | 15:39 |
| dpertin | Our questions now is should we implement things at the API level, at the low-level (DB,bus) or in-between | 15:39 |
| prmachan | Those are more hardware profiles and can be atbest described through topology templates for hardware | 15:40 |
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| dpertin | Furthermore, such question were probably met by the people who designed nova cells and/or projects like tricircle/trio2o, so having a look at those projects is probably a good way to fuel our analysis | 15:40 |
| dpertin | Maybe we should go forward and come back to it later, or on the pad | 15:41 |
| dpertin | xx:41 | 15:41 |
| prmachan | ok | 15:41 |
| dpertin | #topic ongoing-topic-cockroach | 15:41 |
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| dpertin | marie_: rcherrueau: the floor is yours ;) | 15:41 |
| rcherrueau | prmachan: Yes you are right, you can imagine a fancy DSL to describe your topology and it could be could to get such DSL in EnOS. But, this is not in the roadmap | 15:42 |
| marie_ | We redefined a better test plan last week | 15:42 |
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| marie_ | The one written in the pad | 15:43 |
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| marie_ | The main difference is we are now testing the influence of regions separated by a high latency, but the regions itself have several nodes that have no latency between them | 15:44 |
| dpertin | marie_: nice, is your test plan described in the performance team documentation? | 15:44 |
| marie_ | *we are also testing | 15:44 |
| marie_ | not yet, I have to rewrite that also, since the test plan has changed | 15:44 |
| msimonin | What is "Number of nodes" ? | 15:45 |
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| rcherrueau | Number of nodes in the database cluster | 15:45 |
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| msimonin | what is the quorum size ? | 15:46 |
| dpertin | marie_: any results from this test plan? | 15:46 |
| marie_ | it's the default size | 15:46 |
| rcherrueau | msimonin: 3 for cockroach (default) | 15:46 |
| prmachan | #is there a link to follow the test plan? | 15:46 |
| marie_ | we have -mostly- the results for the two first goals | 15:46 |
| msimonin | rcherrueau: thanks | 15:46 |
| dpertin | marie_: ok thanks (regarding the perf wg) | 15:47 |
| marie_ | and we are actively working on the third part of the experiments | 15:47 |
| msimonin | 1*3 means 1 site with 3 db nodes ? | 15:48 |
| marie_ | yep | 15:48 |
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| marie_ | and no latency between them | 15:48 |
| dpertin | marie_: have you tried the last new version of cockroach? | 15:49 |
| dpertin | I heard they made improvements regarding the performance | 15:49 |
| dpertin | s/last// | 15:49 |
| marie_ | Yep, we patched the framework to use Cockroach 2 | 15:50 |
| dpertin | anything else from your side? | 15:50 |
| marie_ | I don't think so | 15:51 |
| rcherrueau | yes, I add something lines 504-512 | 15:51 |
| rcherrueau | Some advocate keystone is write once, multiple multiple multiple ... reads at database level | 15:51 |
| rcherrueau | 15:51 | |
| marie_ | oh, right, thanks ! | 15:51 |
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| rcherrueau | And it could be cool to know the real ratio because this may have an impact when you choose a replication strategy or another | 15:52 |
| rcherrueau | so here are some ratio we compute with the tool marie_ developed. | 15:52 |
| msimonin | great ! :) | 15:52 |
| dpertin | Is it computed from rally tests? | 15:52 |
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| rcherrueau | Note that the ratio of reads/writes may be a little more in favor of reads, than what it is presented here because, the following also take into account the creation/deletion of rally context that performs INSERT and DELETE. | 15:53 |
| rcherrueau | dpertin: yes from rally scenarios | 15:53 |
| dpertin | Ok let's continue this topic on the pad, please | 15:53 |
| dpertin | #topic ongoing-topic-amqp | 15:53 |
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| dpertin | msimonin: ansmith: any update from your side? | 15:54 |
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| ansmith | I defer to msimonin as kgiusti could not attend today | 15:55 |
| msimonin | Hum nothing specific, we are starting to look at locality deliveries when distributing the agents | 15:55 |
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| rcherrueau | cool | 15:57 |
| dpertin | Ok 2 minutes left | 15:57 |
| dpertin | #topic vancouver-summit | 15:57 |
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| dpertin | We have an etherpad regarding the topics that should be discussed in Vancouver | 15:58 |
| dpertin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/FEMDC_Vancouver_brainstorming | 15:58 |
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| dpertin | I think that from our side, we will have more elements regarding the missing parts in the key components in the next few weeks | 15:58 |
| dpertin | Does anyone want to add something? | 15:58 |
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| dpertin | Thanks guys! I was glad to chair this session :) | 15:59 |
| dpertin | If you have any comment, please feel free to add them into the pad | 15:59 |
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| dpertin | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
| msimonin | thanks dpertin ! | 15:59 |
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| marie_ | Thanks | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 25 15:59:51 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds/2018/fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds.2018-04-25-15.00.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds/2018/fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds.2018-04-25-15.00.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds/2018/fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds.2018-04-25-15.00.log.html | 15:59 |
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| jungleboyj | #startmeeting cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 25 16:00:31 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jungleboyj. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | courtesy ping: jungleboyj DuncanT diablo_rojo, diablo_rojo_phon, rajinir tbarron xyang xyang1 e0ne gouthamr thingee erlon tpsilva patrickeast tommylikehu eharney geguileo smcginnis lhx_ lhx__ aspiers jgriffith moshele hwalsh felipemonteiro lpetrut lseki | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | 🙋 | 16:01 |
| Swanson | Hi | 16:01 |
| gouthamr | o/ | 16:01 |
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| xyang | hi | 16:01 |
| geguileo | hi! o/ | 16:01 |
| tommylikehu | hi | 16:01 |
| abishop | o/ | 16:01 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ? | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 16:01 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj (¬_¬)ﾉ | 16:01 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:01 |
| e0ne | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-rocky-meeting-agendas | 16:01 |
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| jungleboyj | e0ne: Thank you. | 16:02 |
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| e0ne | jungleboyj: just got a link by the hand | 16:02 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok, I think we have the crew we are going to have for today. | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | #topic announcements | 16:04 |
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| jungleboyj | Hopefully everyone now has heard that the next PTG will be in Denver the week of 9/10 | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | <Insert train horn here> | 16:05 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:05 |
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| tommylikehu | lol | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | I have RSVPd that Cinder will participate. Didn't think we needed to take a vote. | 16:05 |
| Swanson | Denver? Randall Flagg told me Vegas. | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | Note if you don't sign up before 5/11 the price doubles. So, register early and often. | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | Hope to see everyone there. | 16:06 |
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| jungleboyj | Also, a reminder to vote for the TC if you haven't already done that. | 16:07 |
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| Swanson | They don't let me vote anymore. Any idea how to change that? | 16:07 |
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| jungleboyj | Swanson: Push code up? | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | Or maybe you didn't see the e-mail? | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | Anyway, that is all I had for announcements. | 16:08 |
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| jungleboyj | #topic Rocky Review Priorities | 16:08 |
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| jungleboyj | I took a quick look through this this morning. | 16:09 |
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| smcginnis | Swanson: If you didn't vote in the last couple I think your account goes inactive. | 16:09 |
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| smcginnis | Swanson: IIRC, you just need to log in and click a button somewhere. | 16:09 |
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| jungleboyj | I have approved the Signature Verification Spec and moved it up. | 16:09 |
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| Swanson | smcginnis, aight. I'll look for that. | 16:09 |
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| jungleboyj | Otherwise it looks like there are a number of patches waiting for review. | 16:10 |
| Swanson | disenfranchised | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Thanks. | 16:10 |
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| jungleboyj | I think that is all I have on that for this week. Do some reviews if people have a chance. | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: You here? | 16:11 |
| geguileo | no, I'm in hiding | 16:11 |
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| smcginnis | :) | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | He he. Take it that means you don't have any updates. | 16:11 |
| hamdyk | lol | 16:11 |
| * jungleboyj sees you | 16:11 | |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: correct! | 16:11 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: you just see a clone, that's not me ;-) | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | Okie Dokie. | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: Wow, can you teach me how to do that? I need that good a clone. | 16:12 |
| geguileo | lol | 16:12 |
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| tommylikehu | geguileo: can you clone another gorka and help me to do some review? | 16:12 |
| geguileo | tommylikehu: will try XD | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: ++ | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, we have a lot of other topics so we will move on. | 16:13 |
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| jungleboyj | #topic RBD Deferred Deletion | 16:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RBD Deferred Deletion (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:14 | |
| arnewiebalck | geguileo tommylikehu thx for the reviews, did anyone else have a chance to have a look? | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | arnewiebalck: | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | arnewiebalck: You here? | 16:15 |
| arnewiebalck | yep | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | Hey, the floor is your's. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | Would be good to have jbernard and eharney on there, but glad to see geguileo reviewed. | 16:15 |
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| eharney | i'm catching up on a lot of things this week, but i just added myself to it | 16:15 |
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| smcginnis | arnewiebalck: But I can take a look in a bit. | 16:15 |
| arnewiebalck | smcginnis: cool | 16:15 |
| geguileo | the spec looked good to me, and I think eharney liked the idea | 16:16 |
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| arnewiebalck | there is no rush from my side, we can give it another week and rediscuss next week when more people had a chance to have a look? | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | I know other storage devices have a trash concept. I wonder if we do this if we should make sure it is not RBD specific. | 16:16 |
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| smcginnis | Or maybe that doesn't matter here. I need to look it over yet. | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Good thought. | 16:17 |
| arnewiebalck | IIRC the trash/restore idea was not very popular | 16:17 |
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| smcginnis | Yeah | 16:17 |
| arnewiebalck | although the trash is made for this | 16:17 |
| arnewiebalck | (and we would have loved to have this this week actually :-/) | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | Glad to see you went right to stein. So we do have some time to discuss this. | 16:17 |
| arnewiebalck | trash/restore will require some wider changes | 16:18 |
| arnewiebalck | probably a new state even | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | I'm sure. Almost like a manage existing. | 16:18 |
| arnewiebalck | ‘recoverable’ or sth | 16:18 |
| eharney | i think there's a lot of value in implementing this just in the driver rather than changing API semantics for it | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah. That would be a notable effort but do think it is a good idea. | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | In fact, maybe we can leverage managing existing to have another "recover from trash" option. | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, I should wait until I actually understand the proposal before going off on too many tangents. I'll take a look soon/ | 16:19 |
| eharney | if you want to be able to recover from the trash, you're going to have to rework how encryption keys get deleted too, which will turn into a very complex security concern | 16:19 |
| arnewiebalck | smcginnis: that’d be great | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | If we do it in RBD only that doesn't preclude us from expanding it. Right? | 16:19 |
| eharney | jungleboyj: right, that's my thinking | 16:20 |
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| arnewiebalck | I actually trimmed the whole thing down to a fast deleton as I thought “restore” would have no chance of being accepted … | 16:20 |
| geguileo | arnewiebalck: that was a good idea | 16:21 |
| eharney | i think that's the right approach | 16:21 |
| arnewiebalck | … but, yeah, that was the original idea :) | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | arnewiebalck: Is a smart guy. | 16:21 |
| arnewiebalck | :) | 16:21 |
| arnewiebalck | ok, so how do we proceed? wait for some more eyes to check? | 16:22 |
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| smcginnis | I think so. | 16:22 |
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| jungleboyj | arnewiebalck: That sounds like the plan. And it sounds like we are in agreement that Stein is the best target. | 16:22 |
| arnewiebalck | jungleboyj: ok | 16:22 |
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| arnewiebalck | so we revisit next week? | 16:23 |
| arnewiebalck | or is that too short? | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | That works for me. I should be able to review and understand it by then. | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | I think for the time being we can work it through the spec and re-address here if things get complicated. | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, we may not need to discuss in the meeting if folks review the proposal and are fine with it. | 16:24 |
| arnewiebalck | cool | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. Anything else here? | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | I think that's a no. | 16:26 |
| arnewiebalck | lol | 16:27 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok. | 16:27 |
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| jungleboyj | #topic NVMEof Cinder Backend | 16:27 |
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| jungleboyj | hamdyk: Your up. | 16:27 |
| hamdyk | hi | 16:27 |
| hamdyk | please review and merge the commits please | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | Hi. | 16:28 |
| hamdyk | Mellanix CI should vote for the changes soon | 16:28 |
| hamdyk | we are working with CI team to do so | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. I haven't had a chance to look at that but we will try to get a look at it. | 16:28 |
| hamdyk | we answered the commits review | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | Looks like we had another new driver proposed earlier today using this as well. | 16:29 |
| hamdyk | if you have questions please ask else you can move to next topic | 16:29 |
| e0ne | hamdykL great! thanks for getting CI working | 16:29 |
| hamdyk | yes, SPDK | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | I think we still need to see CI. | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | Once that is working we can merge it. | 16:30 |
| hamdyk | I see | 16:30 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:30 |
| hamdyk | sure that | 16:30 |
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| jungleboyj | So, that would be the focus now. | 16:31 |
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| hamdyk | yes | 16:31 |
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| jungleboyj | hamdyk: Any ETA on the CI working? | 16:31 |
| hamdyk | um, by tomorrow | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. Sounds good. | 16:32 |
| hamdyk | good | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | hamdyk: Anything more on that topic? | 16:32 |
| hamdyk | that's it for me | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | hamdyk: Thank you. | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Broken Doc Build. | 16:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Broken Doc Build. (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:33 | |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | So just so everyone is aware | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | Local doc builds are currently broken. | 16:34 |
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| smcginnis | Gate doc builds were changed, so they currently do not enable warnings-as-errors. | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | So some warnings ended up getting merged. | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | Which when run locally through our tox target, ends up converting those warnings to errors and failing. | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/563964/ | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | Fixes the current warnings. ^ | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | And I have proposed a job change: | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/564232/ | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | That would enable warnings-as-errors, but only for py3 runs. | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | So if that is accepted, I would then put up a patch to switch our docs jobs to use that job template instead. | 16:35 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: +1 to treat warnings as errors | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | Ideally, I hope every project eventually moves over to both running py3 and treating warnings-as-errors, but I don't think many are ready yet. | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | Thank you for fixing that. How did the warning-as-errors in the gate get changed? | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | And will probably require a fair amount of work before they can. | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | The job used to try to parse out the setup.cfg file for the warning flag. | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | But with the latest guidelines, the thing it was parsing should no longer be there. | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | So just wanted everyone to be aware of that. And to review and approve the warning fix. ;) | 16:38 |
| tbarron | smcginnis: looks good, will copy the approach | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Will look at that after the meeting. | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: ++ | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | tbarron: Cool, let me know if you run into any issues. | 16:38 |
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| smcginnis | jungleboyj: That's all for that topic. | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, you are on the next one too. | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Config-table directive | 16:39 |
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| * smcginnis warms up his fingers | 16:39 | |
| smcginnis | OK, this one... | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | Way back in the day, when we had an openstack-manuals repo, there was a command to run to generate driver config option tables. | 16:39 |
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| smcginnis | Since then, we have moved docs in-tree in Cinder and that tool was taken out back and shot. | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | So we have a bunch of stale tables, and folks have just been manually updating them. | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | To address this, I've written a sphinx extension to do what that was doing manually. | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/cinder+branch:master+topic:config-table | 16:41 |
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| smcginnis | This gets rid of the static tables and just needs the directive added to the drivers docs to pull in a table with any config options in the specified modules. | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | It will dynamically parse that out and generate the table. | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | Cool. | 16:42 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: cool. I'll review patches later today | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | It's mostly the same format, with the only changes being getting rid of the (incorrect) group line at the top and showing when things are marked as deprecated. | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | Thank you so much for working on that. | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | It probably should become an oslo_config extension, but I wanted to make sure it was working for our needs first. | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | Then I can look at moving it over someday if others need it. | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:42 |
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| smcginnis | I have a whole series to go through yet, but I'm holding off for now to make sure everyone is OK with this approach and that we don't find any oddities. | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | But I think I've covered most of the different scenarios and looks OK to me so far. | 16:43 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Should we maybe send a note to the mailing list to try to get attention from other driver owners who aren't here? | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | The current series starts with the addition of the directive here: | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/564068/ | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: I'm not sure if we need each driver maintainer on there since it's just a drop and replace. | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | But I could if you have any concerns there. | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | If you are confident it will be ok then we don't need to. | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | If anything comes up that looks concerning, let me know and I can try to pull in the driver maintainer(s). | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj | Makes sense. | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Anything else on that? | 16:46 |
| smcginnis | Only real difference, other than the minor table tweaks, is some of these actually add or remove config options that have changed since the last time they were manually updated. | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: And that is a good thing. | 16:46 |
| smcginnis | Yep! | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. Cool. | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | That's probably all on that. | 16:47 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. And finally you again: | 16:47 |
| jungleboyj | topic stable/ocata broken | 16:47 |
| jungleboyj | #topic stable/ocata broken | 16:48 |
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| jungleboyj | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/563628/ | 16:48 |
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| smcginnis | Our sync up with driverfixes is blocked because of gate failures. | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | So we need that ^ backport to land to fix those. | 16:48 |
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| smcginnis | Then we should be able to finish getting things sync in this series: | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/cinder+branch:stable/ocata+topic:driverfixes_sync | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Done. :-) | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | I really think we need to get that moving so we get stable/ synced up with driverfixes/ | 16:50 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj, e0ne: Thanks! | 16:50 |
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| e0ne | smcginnis: np | 16:50 |
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| smcginnis | So that's all, just wanted to make sure everyone was aware of what was going on there too. | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne and /or eharney Can you guys work on approving the other patches after that moves? | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Thank you! | 16:51 |
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| e0ne | jungleboyj: sure, I'll help with it | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | I should do a new release after all those merge then ... | 16:52 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | Okie dokie. | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | I think we are done then. | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Open Discussion | 16:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:52 | |
| jungleboyj | Swanson: Look at that! I didn't run over! | 16:53 |
| jungleboyj | Anyone have anything else to discuss? | 16:53 |
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| Swanson | jungleboyj, Nice. Now acknowledge my Stand joke! | 16:53 |
| jungleboyj | Swanson: ? | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | Swanson: I thought jokes were supposed to be funny. | 16:54 |
| geguileo | if anybody have time | 16:54 |
| geguileo | I have a FC patch for review | 16:54 |
| geguileo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/562219/ | 16:54 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: OOooooh Burn! | 16:54 |
| Swanson | smcginnis, you say that but I think of them more as performance art. | 16:54 |
| smcginnis | lol | 16:54 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: Oh right, saw that come through and didn't get back to it. | 16:54 |
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| smcginnis | geguileo: I'll try to take a look today. | 16:54 |
| e0ne | I appreciate if I can get some reviews on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/563313/. It affects cinder and nova ceph jobs | 16:54 |
| geguileo | thanks!!! | 16:54 |
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| geguileo | e0ne's patch is a fix for a regression I introduced :-( | 16:55 |
| e0ne | geguileo: don't worry, we have a time to fix it | 16:55 |
| e0ne | and backport to older releases if needed | 16:56 |
| e0ne | I didn't check it yet | 16:56 |
| smcginnis | e0ne, geguileo: What about Melanie's comment on there? | 16:56 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: I replied in a comment | 16:56 |
| geguileo | but I think that the error in the logs is valid | 16:57 |
| geguileo | Because it's complaining that an image doesn't exist | 16:57 |
| e0ne | geguileo's comment makes sense to me | 16:57 |
| smcginnis | Ah | 16:57 |
| geguileo | because we deleted it 1 second before | 16:57 |
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| geguileo | or something like that | 16:57 |
| geguileo | I haven't looked at why the tests are doing that | 16:57 |
| smcginnis | OK, probably a bad test then. | 16:57 |
| geguileo | that's my guess as well | 16:57 |
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| jungleboyj | Yeah, I think that is what is going on there. | 16:57 |
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| jungleboyj | That change is fine to get in and the other issue should be in another patch if there is a problem there. | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | Anything else? | 16:58 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok. Lets wrap things up on time then. | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks for a good meeting team! | 16:59 |
| Swanson | toodles | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 25 16:59:31 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-04-25-16.00.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-04-25-16.00.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-04-25-16.00.log.html | 16:59 |
| smcginnis | With a minute to spare. | 17:00 |
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| e0ne | :) | 17:00 |
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| SotK | anyone about for the storyboard meeting? | 19:00 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Me! | 19:01 |
| nmagnezi | me. | 19:01 |
| SotK | #startmeeting storyboard | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 25 19:02:37 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 19:02 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Good day everyone :) | 19:03 |
| SotK | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard#Agenda_for_next_meeting Agenda | 19:03 |
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| SotK | I think that isn't up to date for this week, but the structure is there | 19:03 |
| nmagnezi | my topic is there and is up for this week :) | 19:03 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Cool :) Yeah I didn't update it. | 19:03 |
| SotK | I think we don't have any announcements this week | 19:04 |
| SotK | right? | 19:04 |
| SotK | #topic In Progress Work | 19:05 |
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| SotK | #undo | 19:05 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #topic In Progress Work | 19:05 |
| SotK | #topic Migration Updates | 19:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Migration Updates (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:05 | |
| * SotK engages brain | 19:05 | |
| SotK | any updates diablo_rojo_phon? | 19:05 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Barbican is going Friday. | 19:06 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Talking to heat about maybe going this week, though more likely next week. | 19:06 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | I thiiink that's about it here. | 19:07 |
| SotK | nice, glad things are still moving pretty smoothly there | 19:07 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | I guess I can note that the infra manual on making a project has removed launchpad mentions | 19:07 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Now just talks about storyboard | 19:07 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | So we aren't going to have more new projects we will have to migrate. | 19:07 |
| SotK | excellent! | 19:08 |
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| fungi | yeah, i've got the barbican migration on my reminders | 19:09 |
| SotK | #topic In Progress Work | 19:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "In Progress Work (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:10 | |
| SotK | I looked into fixing the bug where typing the full project name causes the save button to not be enabled | 19:10 |
| SotK | it turned out more complicated than I hoped and the real fix will be to update to a more modern version of ui-bootstrap | 19:11 |
| SotK | which means a bunch of churn renaming things to prefix uib- | 19:11 |
| SotK | I'll look at doing either that or a more short-term workaround this week | 19:12 |
| SotK | I also began working through my review backlog, I'll do more of that too | 19:13 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | Yay! | 19:14 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Oh and our intern got notification she was chosen. | 19:15 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | So she will start when finals are done (early/mid may) | 19:15 |
| SotK | nice :D | 19:15 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Yep :) | 19:16 |
| SotK | anything else in progress? | 19:16 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | Nothing off the top of my head. | 19:17 |
| SotK | I don't think anything changed with the blocking stories this week, so I'll skip to discussion for nmagnezi | 19:18 |
| SotK | #topic Open Discussion | 19:18 |
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| nmagnezi | o/ | 19:18 |
| nmagnezi | So, hello to the storboard team. | 19:18 |
| nmagnezi | My name is Nir, I'm a member of the Octavia core team. | 19:19 |
| SotK | hey :) | 19:19 |
| nmagnezi | migrated to storyboard some time ago, and we experience some challenges. | 19:19 |
| nmagnezi | I gathered a list of issues raised by the Octavia community: | 19:19 |
| nmagnezi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/storyboard-issues | 19:19 |
| nmagnezi | I would like to get some feedback from the team here on that list basically | 19:19 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | nmagnezi: oh cool. Looking now. | 19:20 |
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| johnsom | o/ | 19:20 |
| nmagnezi | just to put things in context, we compere storyboard to Launchpad, the tool we used to work with. we'd really be happy to improve storyboard :) | 19:20 |
| nmagnezi | oh, our PTL is here too :) | 19:20 |
| nmagnezi | johnsom o/ | 19:20 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | I can go through the list and add links to stories that exist. I see one that's been resolved actually. | 19:22 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | The Gerrit posting on the patches has been fixed nmagnezi | 19:23 |
| nmagnezi | diablo_rojo_phon, yup. one got resolved. | 19:23 |
| SotK | for 1., is that happening whilst the project filter is still displayed? | 19:24 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | I'll definitely go through this list today though. | 19:24 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | This is super helpful. | 19:24 |
| johnsom | Yes | 19:24 |
| SotK | ah, then that is also fixed but not deployed because it merged when our automation was broken | 19:24 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | SotK can you give this a look? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/506812/ | 19:25 |
| SotK | I suspect our automation is still broken, I'll put that at the top of my list | 19:25 |
| johnsom | For context from my side, there has been a lot of push back on using Storyboard. | 19:25 |
| SotK | diablo_rojo_phon: I remember an in-depth discussion about that patch in a meeting a while back | 19:25 |
| SotK | I don't remember what the outcome was, I'll try to find some logs later | 19:26 |
| SotK | johnsom: do you know which issues are causing the most pain? | 19:27 |
| nmagnezi | if it helps, I'm willing to file stories for some of the topics there are new to you guys. | 19:27 |
| johnsom | These are the top issues. This list got filled pretty quickly after it was proposed. | 19:28 |
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| nmagnezi | IHO, number 8 is causing a lot of issues and prevents us from doing things we would like to do, such as proactive backports | 19:29 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | johnsom: Thanks for bringing this to our attention. We definitely want to do all we can to make you guys happy. | 19:29 |
| nmagnezi | s/IHO/IMO | 19:29 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | SotK did we have a metadata fix yet? | 19:30 |
| SotK | number 8 is the only one I think needs discussion beyond "is it fixed yet or not" | 19:30 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Okay shall we discuss now? | 19:30 |
| SotK | yeah! | 19:30 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | So. Is it another field we need to add or can we amend descriptions to support metadata? | 19:31 |
| SotK | I have pretty strong opinions about importance and affected projects | 19:31 |
| SotK | see the "Complex Priority" section of https://storyboard-blog.io/things-that-storyboard-does-differently.html for importance | 19:32 |
| SotK | as for affected projects; in StoryBoard's data model stories aren't directly linked to projects, they're only connected via tasks | 19:34 |
| SotK | and so the list of affected projects can already be obtained, just by looking at what the projects of the story's tasks are | 19:34 |
| SotK | I'd need to understand more how milestones are intended to be used to have an opinion on that | 19:35 |
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| johnsom | I think some of the concern about these fields not being available is round making it hard to search or pin searches for stories. Correct me if I remember incorrectly nmagnezi | 19:36 |
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| nmagnezi | johnsom, +1 | 19:36 |
| johnsom | Previously I used milestone metadata in Launchpad to target certain bugs to be fixed by a given OpenStack milestone release. The team used it to see priority bugs that need to be worked on. | 19:37 |
| nmagnezi | we want to be able to search and filter by those fields, so we can eventually automate some of our workloads | 19:37 |
| nmagnezi | we do that with Launchpad for Neutron | 19:37 |
| johnsom | It creates a bit more urgency than a long list of backlog bugs with no timing metadata | 19:39 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Makes sense. | 19:40 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | I'm not opposed to adding another field for milestones. | 19:41 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | It's definitely something we get asked about a lot. | 19:41 |
| SotK | I'm not strongly opposed, but I feel like its something that can already be done using a board or worklist of some kind | 19:41 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | I think the problem is that it can be done but not easily. | 19:42 |
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| johnsom | Well, and it's super hard to search on board placement, etc. | 19:42 |
| SotK | interesting, searching on boards is something we haven't really given much consideration to I think | 19:43 |
| nmagnezi | SotK, any more information we can provide to help you guys with that list? | 19:45 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | We could add a search that like.. filters what's on the boards | 19:46 |
| SotK | diablo_rojo_phon: yeah, its something I've sometimes wanted but never given real consideration to | 19:47 |
| SotK | similarly I wonder if actually adding some UI for due dates outside of boards will help | 19:47 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Not currently...but I'll give it a look in more detail in about a half hour when I get back to a laptop from this lunch meeting. | 19:47 |
| SotK | like, a way of finding things that are asserted to be due by that date | 19:47 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | nmagnezi: ^ | 19:47 |
| nmagnezi | we can follow up on that list in next week's meeting, what do you think? | 19:48 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | That would work too I would think? | 19:48 |
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| SotK | nmagnezi: that would be a good idea I think | 19:48 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | nmagnezi: I won't be around next week but definitely should keep this on the agenda. | 19:49 |
| nmagnezi | johnsom, agreed? ^^ | 19:49 |
| SotK | (I think that 6 and 10 are fixed or at least improved, but similarly the improvement for 6 isn't deployed) | 19:49 |
| johnsom | Sure, NP | 19:49 |
| SotK | cool, I'll do my best to get the things we have fixed on it actually deployed in the production instance by then too :) | 19:50 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | +1! | 19:52 |
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| fungi | catching up, it may be worth revisiting whether the milestone targeting is still useful. it used to be common practice across openstack services because the release team used it to report on which bugs were fixed at which milestones over the course of the cycle, but they ceased that practice some years ago which is part of why supporting it as a workflow in storyboard wasn't previously identified | 19:55 |
| fungi | as a priority | 19:55 |
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| fungi | now they instead merely leave comments in bugs noting the first release in which each was fixed (and i have https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001806 to make the release tools do the same for sb) | 19:56 |
| fungi | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001806 Support StoryBoard in release tooling | 19:56 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | That's a good point too | 19:59 |
| SotK | ok we're out of time | 20:00 |
| SotK | thanks for coming folk :) | 20:01 |
| SotK | #endmeeting | 20:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 25 20:01:03 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2018/storyboard.2018-04-25-19.02.html | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2018/storyboard.2018-04-25-19.02.txt | 20:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2018/storyboard.2018-04-25-19.02.log.html | 20:01 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 21:01 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 25 21:01:46 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:01 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:01 |
| m_kazuhiro | o/ | 21:01 |
| acoles | hi | 21:01 |
| kota_ | hello | 21:02 |
| rledisez | hi | 21:02 |
| cschwede | hello! | 21:02 |
| notmyname | Link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:02 |
| notmyname | oh my! it's cschwede! | 21:02 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:02 |
| cschwede | i heard there's a swift gathering here | 21:03 |
| notmyname | tdasilva told me he's not here | 21:03 |
| notmyname | and torgomatic and clayg and timburke are in a meeting (that I left) | 21:04 |
| notmyname | soo... | 21:04 |
| notmyname | let's get started! | 21:04 |
| acoles | cschwede: hi! | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | here's my weekly reminder that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/555245/ is still open and needs to land before the next release | 21:04 |
| patchbot | patch 555245 - swift - Fix versioned writes error with url-encoded object... | 21:04 |
| notmyname | it fixes https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1755554 | 21:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1755554 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "Percent signs in object names cause trouble for versioned_writes" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Kota Tsuyuzaki (tsuyuzaki-kota) | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | let's talk about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/562943/ | 21:05 |
| patchbot | patch 562943 - swift - Import swift3 into swift repo as s3api middleware | 21:05 |
| notmyname | kota_: how is the patch looking this week? | 21:05 |
| mattoliverau | o/ - sorry was a holiday in Oz yesterday so got confused this morning | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | (did kota_ step away?) | 21:06 |
| kota_ | tdasilva, m_kazuhiro, and pete reviewed it | 21:07 |
| kota_ | notmyname: I'M here | 21:07 |
| notmyname | that's good news | 21:07 |
| * cschwede is still reviewing it, but looks pretty good so far | 21:07 | |
| mattoliverau | And I'm in the middle of a review.. just haven't finished, I got busy | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | great | 21:07 |
| kota_ | then, yesterday, I acked all comments and fixed small things. | 21:07 |
| notmyname | kota_: is there anything found that is bigger than expected? | 21:08 |
| kota_ | not so far imo | 21:08 |
| notmyname | does it seem like the plan we talked about last week is still working? (having a smaller set of people review it and land when they say it's good) | 21:08 |
| cschwede | notmyname: what was your schedule, ie required merge date? | 21:08 |
| cschwede | i remember Thiago saying sth like today | 21:09 |
| cschwede | or this week | 21:09 |
| kota_ | it seems tdasilva still wants to make it by default but I still hold my opinion it's not now because of gete issue. | 21:09 |
| notmyname | kota_: what's the gate issue? | 21:09 |
| notmyname | cschwede: I don't have a required merge date for the s3api, but asap. the main contention is the upcoming feature/deep branch | 21:09 |
| kota_ | basically, devstack | 21:09 |
| kota_ | we have debstack gate to run functests | 21:09 |
| kota_ | but devstack has custom proxy-server.conf that includes swift3 | 21:10 |
| kota_ | then, s3api by default means double s3api compatible middeleware in the pipeline | 21:10 |
| kota_ | then, almost of functests will fail | 21:10 |
| notmyname | ah | 21:10 |
| cschwede | kota_: can'T we pin swift in devstack to a specific hash before the s3api merge, and then follow up, unpin it and at the same time disable old middleware? | 21:10 |
| cschwede | iirc that is possible | 21:11 |
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| kota_ | so my plan is 1. merge it to the master, 2. fix devstack to use s3api, then, s3api by default. | 21:11 |
| notmyname | I agree that we should merge to master before turning it on by default. (but I support getting to an on-by-default asap) | 21:12 |
| kota_ | cschwede: ah... i think it's possible | 21:12 |
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| kota_ | i mean, 'we can pin the version'. | 21:13 |
| notmyname | is swift3 added to the proxy pipeline for every devstack job? | 21:13 |
| kota_ | but still not sure it works well for... setting up the gate. | 21:13 |
| kota_ | 1 sec | 21:13 |
| kota_ | the related change is at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/548938/ | 21:14 |
| patchbot | patch 548938 - openstack-dev/devstack - Change devstack-swift to use keystone auth sample | 21:14 |
| kota_ | it doesn't solve the problem directly, but attempts to resolve devstack making handmade pipeline. | 21:15 |
| kota_ | it didn't get finished yet tho. | 21:15 |
| notmyname | oh ok. so it's a swift3-specific dsvm job | 21:16 |
| notmyname | that adds swift3 to the pipeline | 21:16 |
| notmyname | which means we cannot add that test to the s3api branch and have it tests s3api middleware | 21:16 |
| kota_ | yes, the is_service_enabled swift3 is true at L430 | 21:17 |
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| notmyname | and we cannot turn on s3api middleware by default because *other* projects may have added swift3 to the pipeline and then will fail | 21:17 |
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| kota_ | and the swift_pipeline is based on tempauth pipeline in proxy-server.conf | 21:17 |
| notmyname | did I understand that correctly? | 21:17 |
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| kota_ | yes, but only one project (i.e. devstack) i know exists as such a project, tho. | 21:18 |
| kota_ | idk for any other projects. | 21:19 |
| notmyname | hmm | 21:19 |
| notmyname | it sounds like there's some more investigation needed as to what is breaking when. (or to rephrase: I don't completely understand the problem yet) | 21:20 |
| kota_ | oh, just we can ask to cschwede how it is on triple-O | 21:20 |
| notmyname | but it doesn't seem like this is blocking a merge to master, correct? | 21:20 |
| cschwede | kota_: it's not enabled by default on OOO | 21:20 |
| cschwede | not yet, that is :) | 21:20 |
| kota_ | if we can make it as optional by default. | 21:20 |
| notmyname | the proposed code can land, as-is. the proposed code is tested. adn the proposed-code doesn't break other projects | 21:20 |
| kota_ | notmyname: if we can make it as optional by default, it doesn't block to get it merge. | 21:21 |
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| notmyname | it is currently proposed as optional, right? | 21:21 |
| kota_ | i think so | 21:21 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:22 |
| kota_ | oh... i missed your mean. | 21:22 |
| kota_ | absolutely true. | 21:22 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:22 |
| kota_ | currently I proposed the patch to make s3api as optional | 21:22 |
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| notmyname | which means that it should be able to land on master as soon as it's reviewed. | 21:23 |
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| mattoliverau | Ok so definitely optional first, then turned up will be a follow up after investigation and once master | 21:24 |
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| mattoliverau | *turned on by default | 21:25 |
| notmyname | so if that's true, and it sounds like only small stuff has been found so far, then I hope that after mattoliverau and cschwede finish their reviews, then we will be able to merge s3api to master | 21:25 |
| kota_ | +1 :) | 21:25 |
| notmyname | good to hear | 21:25 |
| notmyname | ok, let's talk about torgomatic's consistency engine patches. | 21:26 |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/555563/ landed this week! | 21:26 |
| patchbot | patch 555563 - swift - Multiprocess object replicator (MERGED) | 21:26 |
| notmyname | thank you | 21:26 |
| kota_ | nice | 21:26 |
| mattoliverau | \o/ | 21:26 |
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| notmyname | that unblocks a few others that he'd been working on too that are based on that patch | 21:26 |
| notmyname | rledisez: thanks for helping out there. I saw your name on an email about one of those, I think | 21:27 |
| notmyname | ok, let's talk about the really big one now | 21:28 |
| notmyname | feature/deep | 21:28 |
| notmyname | acoles: what's the good work? | 21:28 |
| notmyname | *word | 21:28 |
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| acoles | based on timburke's experimentation last week we made some significant changes to the replication strategy | 21:28 |
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| acoles | that is all now on feature/deep and Tim is continuing to trial sharding a monster db | 21:29 |
| notmyname | and current progress on that big DB seems to be going well | 21:29 |
| mattoliverau | Nice work | 21:29 |
| notmyname | or at least going | 21:29 |
| acoles | ...which is progressing :) ... but a little slowly :( so | 21:29 |
| notmyname | one important... yeah. it's slow | 21:29 |
| notmyname | but making progress | 21:30 |
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| acoles | so we're now trying to understand why it is so slow. It's on HDDs for a start. | 21:30 |
| mattoliverau | We knew monster dbs would be a problem... But once it's on by default (in future) we only have to deals with monsters initially | 21:30 |
| notmyname | given the hardware that DB is deployed on, we are *not* going to wait for it to finish all the sharding work. at it's current rate, it will take about 50 days to finish with 143M rows | 21:31 |
| mattoliverau | Wow | 21:31 |
| acoles | at the other end of the scale, a 1.2million row db on my laptop with no async pendings shards in about 3 mins! | 21:31 |
| notmyname | wooo! | 21:32 |
| notmyname | here's the real question: when can we propose feature/deep to master | 21:32 |
| notmyname | I think we should definitely create a new feature/deep-review | 21:32 |
| mattoliverau | acoles: cool | 21:32 |
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| mattoliverau | Yup, it touches a bunch of places | 21:33 |
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| cschwede | acoles: any chance to test the 143m row db on an ssd node? | 21:33 |
| notmyname | cschwede: unfortunately no. | 21:33 |
| mattoliverau | What part seems to be slow? Scanning, cleaving (locally), replication? | 21:34 |
| notmyname | acoles: do you know? timburke would be better able to answer that, I think | 21:34 |
| acoles | scanning was less than an hour IIRC | 21:34 |
| notmyname | yeah | 21:34 |
| mattoliverau | Maybe we can profile it and see what area may need to be improved (for the future) | 21:34 |
| cschwede | are we sure this scales linear? ie 1.2 million = 3 minutes on ssd, 12 million at least in the range of a few hours max? | 21:34 |
| rledisez | did you run iotop to check if an SSD would help? | 21:34 |
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| mattoliverau | Oh nice | 21:35 |
| acoles | with the recent changes we have tried to stamp on replication to the db | 21:35 |
| mattoliverau | (re: scanning time) | 21:35 |
| acoles | cschwede: I'm going to make more tests on 2 million, 4 million etc | 21:36 |
| notmyname | yeah... hang on. uploading a screenshot | 21:36 |
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| notmyname | rledisez: http://d.not.mn/node_stats_sharding.png | 21:36 |
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| notmyname | just really really busy drives. 50M async pendings in the cluster plus the sharding work | 21:38 |
| notmyname | ie "just like a user would do" | 21:38 |
| cschwede | well, on the other side - 1.2 mill = 3 min, 144mil should be around 360 min then = 6 hours, which means a factor of 200 between hdds and ssd. which sounds reasonable if only looking at iops? | 21:38 |
| notmyname | assumign linear scaling etc etc etc | 21:39 |
| cschwede | right | 21:40 |
| notmyname | but we expect it to get faster over time. as shardes are cleaved off, the workload should be distributed to other nodes. so it may be faster | 21:40 |
| notmyname | but for now, it's slow | 21:40 |
| notmyname | but it's making progress | 21:40 |
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| cschwede | i was just worried about the big gap between minutes and 50 days, but it might be totally reasonable on hdds | 21:41 |
| notmyname | which again gets back to "when can we merge to master?" | 21:41 |
| * cschwede is curious about acoles tests with 2 and 4 million rows | 21:41 | |
| notmyname | I've been talking with timburke about making some more DBs about that size too | 21:41 |
| notmyname | rledisez: http://d.not.mn/iotop.png | 21:44 |
| acoles | notmyname: re proposing to master, obviously we need to get to bottom of the speed issues, but at same time I am conscious that there will be bugs that will only be found by review | 21:44 |
| * acoles admits he may write bugs, sometimes | 21:44 | |
| cschwede | impossible! | 21:45 |
| acoles | cschwede: I do it *deliberately* of course :) | 21:45 |
| mattoliverau | Lol | 21:45 |
| notmyname | here's a proposal. please tell me where it's wrong or how to make it better | 21:45 |
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| notmyname | (1) mattoliverau and cschwede finish a review of s3api. assuming it's good, it lands on master within the next 24-26 hours. (2) I create the feature/deep-review branch upstream (3) acoles prepares the patch chain to propose there (4) we keep monitoring the progress on the big DB (5) when feature/deep-review has the patch chain proposed, we soft-freeze master and all review | 21:47 |
| acoles | +1 for soft freeze | 21:48 |
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| notmyname | everyone is amazed at that plan's brilliance and has nothing to say, or everyone is amazed at it's terribleness and is at a loss for words | 21:50 |
| mattoliverau | And others who reviewed s3api and have there comments addressed can also re-revoew | 21:50 |
| kota_ | i don't have any objections we go soft-freeze when we have feature/deep-review. it should help the branch maintainer to concentrate to fix/discuss issues on the branch. | 21:50 |
| mattoliverau | Seeing as they might also already be close to a +2, | 21:50 |
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| mattoliverau | But I'll try and get the review done today | 21:50 |
| mattoliverau | Ish | 21:51 |
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| kota_ | still want to keep my eyes the progress on (4) the progress on the big DB tho. | 21:52 |
| notmyname | yes, definitely | 21:52 |
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| notmyname | (I really am waiting on any comments) | 21:54 |
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| acoles | kota_: +1 point 4 is important to us too | 21:55 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: so sounds like a good plane.. the prepare the patch and landing may depend on 4 a bit.. so the timeline might need to expand. But the plan is good | 21:56 |
| mattoliverau | Plan | 21:56 |
| cschwede | plan sounds good to me too | 21:56 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: well, yes, but I don't think we should wait for 50 days to see what happens before proposing something to master | 21:56 |
| mattoliverau | oh no | 21:56 |
| acoles | I am tentatively planning on a small chain of patches, hoping it will help reviewers grok the aspects of the change | 21:56 |
| mattoliverau | We should totally make the steps happen. A d go make a shard-review branch | 21:57 |
| acoles | hard to know how that will work out until I start carving it up | 21:57 |
| notmyname | acoles: how long will you need for that? | 21:57 |
| acoles | notmyname: ard to know how that will work out until I start carving it up ;) | 21:57 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:57 |
| acoles | maybe a day? | 21:57 |
| notmyname | ok, great. i'll propose the branch my today or tomorrow, so that should work well together | 21:58 |
| acoles | I'll most likely be derailed by tests breaking as the changes are separated | 21:58 |
| notmyname | we're nearly at full time | 21:59 |
| notmyname | let's start working together on this plan | 21:59 |
| notmyname | I'll talk to tdasilva about getting another video chat next week to do a feature/deep overview | 21:59 |
| notmyname | and that should also help with us reviewing | 22:00 |
| kota_ | +1 | 22:00 |
| notmyname | and ask him to record it to make sure different timezones can see it not in the middle of the night | 22:00 |
| kota_ | nice | 22:01 |
| notmyname | (assuming we can't schedule it at a good time) | 22:01 |
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| mattoliverau | Sounds good | 22:01 |
| notmyname | thanks for working on all this. s3api is really great for our users and feature/deep is probably the biggest/best/hardest big feature we've ever done | 22:01 |
| notmyname | I'm excited to see them land | 22:02 |
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| notmyname | I'll put info about the video meeting in the -swift channel | 22:02 |
| notmyname | thanks for coming today | 22:02 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 22:02 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-04-25-21.01.txt | 22:02 |
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