Wednesday, 2018-05-09

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zhiyuan#startmeeting tricircle01:01
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zhiyuannow we are blocked by the ci issue01:01
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songyes I have resend the email01:02
songbut do not have anyone to reply now.01:02
zhiyuanto the same topic?01:02
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songadd ci and intra01:02
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clarkbthis the no compute hosts issue? has anyone looked at the compute host logs?01:04
zhiyuanlet me check it again01:05
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clarkbalso looks like both nodes run a full control plane? that may be confusing things if not intended01:05
zhiyuanWARNING nova.compute.manager [None req-1dd21811-39c2-4a63-ad44-2c1f6d114667 None None] No compute node record found for host ubuntu-xenial-inap-mtl01-0003885152. If this is the first time this service is starting on this host, then you can ignore this warning.: ComputeHostNotFound_Remote: Compute host ubuntu-xenial-inap-mtl01-0003885152 could not be found01:06
zhiyuansee warning01:06
zhiyuanand this01:06
zhiyuanWARNING nova.compute.resource_tracker [None req-1dd21811-39c2-4a63-ad44-2c1f6d114667 None None] No compute node record for ubuntu-xenial-inap-mtl01-0003885152:ubuntu-xenial-inap-mtl01-0003885152: ComputeHostNotFound_Remote: Compute host ubuntu-xenial-inap-mtl01-0003885152 could not be found.01:06
clarkbthat should be fine since it is the first time that cloud was ever spun up01:07
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zhiyuanthen no error log found in the nova-compute log01:09
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clarkbI would also double check if the cells compute host registration command is run successfully. I forget the detaisl on that but know you ahve to enroll the compute hosts01:10
zhiyuanis this command run in the devstack script?01:11
clarkbit is part of devstack-gate because it has to run after all the devstacking is done01:11
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zhiyuanok, we will check it, thanks for your advise01:14
songclarkb thanks for your help.01:15
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zhiyuansong, what about we do a fresh install locally, to see if we will meet the same problem01:20
zhiyuanI am wondering if we need to do same change to our smoke test setup01:20
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songthat is good idea I will do it today.01:21
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zhiyuanhere is the log for discover-host01:21
zhiyuanFound 2 cell mappings.01:21
zhiyuanSkipping cell0 since it does not contain hosts.01:21
zhiyuanGetting computes from cell 'cell1': 6e118c71-9008-4694-8aee-faa607944c5f01:21
zhiyuanFound 0 unmapped computes in cell: 6e118c71-9008-4694-8aee-faa607944c5f/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/psycopg2/ UserWarning: The psycopg2 wheel package will be renamed from release 2.8; in order to keep installing from binary please use "pip install psycopg2-binary" instead. For details see: <>.01:21
zhiyuan  """)01:22
zhiyuannot sure if this is a expected result, need to check the discover-host script01:22
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songok, I will reinstall a fresh locally to check that problem.01:24
zhangchisounds like need run "nova-manage cell_v2 discover_hosts"01:24
songthis may relate to the smoke fail?01:25
zhiyuanyes, the discover-host script run nova-manage01:25
songthat is good.01:26
zhiyuanpossibly, because nova-schedule complain that no host is found01:26
zhiyuan"Found 0 unmapped computes in cell", seem like there is error when discovering hosts01:26
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zhiyuanhere is the whole log:
Yipeiis it caused by the way we integrate cell v2 with tricircle?01:28
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songbut in before we do not meet this ever.01:29
zhiyuanYipei, I don't think so, integration is disabled by default01:30
zhiyuanif a fresh install locally has the same issue, we need to change our configuration and script01:31
Yipeioh, yes, i forgot it01:32
songyes, that maybe our test problem.01:32
zhiyuanmaybe we miss to adapt some change in devstack or nova01:32
zhiyuanYipei, any update for the new l3 networking model?01:35
Yipeiyes, zhuangzhuang has already joined in the feature, he continues with the first part and i will help him to finish it ASAP. i will go on with the second part about the routed network01:36
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zhiyuanfirst part means the creation of the gateway port without ip?01:39
Yipeifirst part is creation of the external network with a local router, the second part is creation of the gateway port without ip for routed network01:41
zhiyuanwill this change affact our current process? or you use a configuration option to enable it?01:42
Yipeii think it is better to use a configuration option to enable the model01:43
zhiyuanI think so01:43
zhiyuanby the way, could you update the spec to discuss about the detail?01:44
Yipeiok, i will update the spec about the detail01:44
Yipeiyou are welcome01:44
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zhiyuanother topics?01:45
songno from me.01:45
zhiyuanok, thanks for join the meeting01:46
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diablo_rojoWho all is around for the meeting?07:55
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diablo_rojomattoliverau, gmann cmurphy do we want to have a meeting? Or just kind of loaf this week and just do next week so we can prep for the summit?08:00
gmanndiablo_rojo: hi08:00
mattoliverauI'm off to Fiji Saturday, so won't be here next week.08:00
gmanndiablo_rojo: i have nothing much so i am ok to skip08:00
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diablo_rojoMaybe I will just send out an email when I wake up to start collecting discussion topics for the summit?08:02
diablo_rojoThen we can all add things on our own time?08:02
mattoliverauWe can be really quick.. my update is, I havent setup the bot. But I followed up on 2 new contributors today. 1 tricircle and pinged in there channel and a neutron one. Delagation is awesome ;)08:02
diablo_rojo#startmeeting fc_sig08:03
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diablo_rojoJust so that things get actually saved in logs to find later.08:03
diablo_rojo#topic Open Discussion08:03
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diablo_rojoWanna repeat that mattoliverau?08:03
mattoliveraumy update is, I havent setup the bot. But I followed up on 2 new contributors today. 1 tricircle and pinged in there channel and a neutron one. delegation is awesome ;)08:04
diablo_rojoNice :)08:04
diablo_rojoThanks for keeping up on that.08:05
mattoliverauits easier when I just comment with a welcome, add some reviewers (if there are FC contacts) and ping in channel08:05
mattoliverauwell I felt guilty for being lazy the last week or so08:05
diablo_rojoYeah I hope to go to some project onboarding rooms in YVR to fill out our liaison list a little more.08:06
diablo_rojoOur sessions were put on the schedule.08:06
diablo_rojoWe have two08:06
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diablo_rojoI can send out planning etherpads for those tomorrowish.08:06
gmannwe can have list and send a mail also well before to projects without liaison08:06
mattoliverauyeah, do it. Send it in an email, and we'll add to em.08:06
diablo_rojoSo much summit prep to do.08:07
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diablo_rojoYeah I think we said we would just default to PTLs unless told otherwise.08:07
mattoliverauWell I have to do all my prep now.. and I'm not allowed to work on holiday (boss' orders)08:07
diablo_rojoWould be good to actually talk to people in person too.08:07
mattoliveraudiablo_rojo, gmann +108:07
gmannyea, thats good08:07
diablo_rojoThe screen glare on the beach doesn't bode well for getting work done anyway08:08
diablo_rojoUm.. I think that's all I had really.08:08
gmannmattoliverau: i had same strict vacation with no laptop at all in last week vacation08:08
mattoliverauthat's true, I take  it you know from experience :P08:08
diablo_rojo#action I will make discussion planning etherpads and email them.08:08
mattoliveraugmann: smart08:08
mattoliveraumines more or the wife will kill me :P08:08
diablo_rojomattoliverau, yep :) Could hardly see my phone screen to answer irc pings08:09
gmannand sigout all my communication tools from phone :)08:09
diablo_rojoI was definitely planning StoryBoard migrations from the beach.08:09
gmanndiablo_rojo: great.08:09
mattoliveraulol, fail :P08:09
gmannmattoliverau: have a nice break and good time with family08:09
mattoliveraugmann: ta08:10
diablo_rojomattoliverau, maybe a little but I spent a lot of time not on my phone too :P08:10
diablo_rojoOkay, anyone have anything else?08:10
* diablo_rojo wants to go to bed08:10
mattoliveraubetter ;)08:10
mattoliverauCool, well diablo_rojo, go to bed, sleep well. I'll y'all in 2 weeks.. in person!08:10
diablo_rojoSee you guys soon :)08:11
* diablo_rojo is going to call it in 3...08:11
gmannyea, have good sleep08:11
gmannwe will have meeting next week?08:11
mattoliverauI wont be there. but you guys can08:11
diablo_rojogmann, we can do another quick one to make sure we are ready08:12
diablo_rojosuper short like this one- 15 min tops.08:12
diablo_rojoAlright, see you all in a few weeks! Talk to you next week gmann :)08:12
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gmannyea. thanks08:13
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oneswig#startmeeting scientific-sig11:00
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oneswig#link agenda for today (such as it is)
oneswigNoting that actually it's May 9th...11:01
davehollandwe must be in a time warp11:01
oneswigHi daveholland, morning11:01
oneswigEddies in the space-time continuum...11:01
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oneswigHi priteau!11:02
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priteauHi oneswig!11:02
oneswig#topic What has the Scientific SIG ever done for us :-)11:02
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martial_good topic :)11:02
oneswigMorning martial_!11:02
oneswig#chair martial_11:02
openstackCurrent chairs: martial_ oneswig11:02
martial_Good morning Stig, everybody11:03
oneswig#link Etherpad for User Committee report
oneswigThis is a gathering of OpenStack activities that are SIG-related from this cycle.11:03
oneswigdaveholland: I wondered if you've got anything you can link to about the Sanger Centre's OpenStack day?  Seems like a great contribution here.11:04
oneswigI haven't seen anything from Pete about publishing the content11:04
davehollandwe have a list of links to presentations here:
martial_that is very useful indeed11:05
davehollandbut no write-up as such :/11:05
oneswigOoh, thanks.  Can you add it to the list?11:05
davehollandwill do11:05
oneswigThanks daveholland11:05
oneswigpriteau: I think you've seen this already but was there anything to add from Chameleon?11:06
daveholland(not sure I put it in the right place in the etherpad, but it's there)11:07
priteauoneswig: Should we add that there was design work to push some Chameleon features back in upstream Blazar?11:07
oneswigpriteau: why not, I saw it getting discussed and it's clearly useful.11:08
oneswigOK, shall we move on?11:09
oneswig#topic Vancouver summit BoF11:09
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oneswigdaveholland: are you or anyone else from Sanger planning to go to Vancouver?11:10
davehollandoneswig: yes, Pete and I will be there11:10
oneswigOh, excellent.11:10
davehollandI am trying to think of a lightning talk (maybe an overview of apps etc we're running on OpenStack)11:11
oneswigI'd be interested in that, for one.11:11
oneswigthat project with a '4' in the middle of the acronym - what was it?11:11
davehollandor, some of the admin-side landmines we've stepped on :) :(11:11
oneswigThat looks like it!11:12
oneswigThe responsible sharing of genomic and health-related data - think you could talk for a few minutes on that? :-)11:13
davehollandI will ask Tim if he has any slides I can steal :-D11:13
oneswig(something operational would be equally welcome)11:13
oneswigHas this project just kicked off or is it already underway with productive output?11:13
davehollandit dates back to 2013 but, I think, has been a bit of a slow-burner11:14
oneswigIn IEEE committee terms, that's barely getting going, but for the cloud world we've lived through several universes in that time frame!11:15
martial_I might add a small "how we run automatic multimedia analytics on OpenStack, Container and Mesos" (title to be firmed up)11:15
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martial_I can also do a small "Cloud Federation: P2302 and ORCA"11:16
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oneswigAll sounds good martial_.  Should we set up an Etherpad to gather these?  I'll go ahead11:16
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oneswigah, thanks martial_11:17
oneswigpriteau: who will be there from Chameleon - anyone?11:18
martial_(moving to phone)11:20
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oneswigOK, shall we move on (not a lot to cover today though)11:21
oneswig#topic AOB11:21
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priteauoneswig: no one from Chameleon this time11:21
oneswigpriteau: ah, thanks.  Too bad.11:21
priteaulots of conflicting travel11:21
oneswigdaveholland: there's a plan for a SIG night out and you and Pete would of course be invited.  It's Tuesday night.11:22
oneswigSmaller-scale this time, restricted to the core of the group.  It was too hard to control numbers previously.11:23
davehollandoneswig: that's great, thanks - I will RSVP "yes" right now :)11:23
oneswigExcellent, noted.11:24
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oneswigI didn't have anything else to cover this week - quiet week and all that.11:25
oneswigAnything new with you?11:25
oneswigWe've been having fun with bare metal multi-tenant IB, and I'm hoping my colleague mgoddard is going to write that up for us all ... :-)11:26
daveholland(quiet mutterings about Ceph/S3 quota difficulties, and hypervisors misconfigured to use Ceph for instance storage, just another week in the trenches)11:26
oneswigdaveholland: do you use anything like s3fs-fuse or goofys?  Got a preference?11:27
oneswigtrying to sort the wheat from the chaff here.11:27
oneswigForgot to add, b1airo sends his apologies - he's in San Francisco this week.11:28
oneswigdaveholland: are you involved with elixir?11:28
davehollandwe try to warn users off that idea (too many things blew up on us in the past) but, we have had some success with: s3fs, rclone mount, and a home-grown one:
davehollandI've no contact with Elixir but if you need a contact I can find a way to get you in touch11:29
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oneswigdaveholland: just wondering because I think they are fellow travellers wrt EGI and federated AAI.  I've exchanged occasional mails with David Ocana on this... probably too occasional given the common issues11:31
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oneswigOK - anything more to cover for AOB?11:32
davehollandyes, "we" (for various degrees of nearness) could probably all benefit from being better in touch11:33
oneswigdaveholland: That's our ethos, certainly - share and enjoy11:33
priteauoneswig: we've recently integrated in our Chameleon appliances. It seems to work fine but we haven't done extensive testing or benchmarking, it's mostly for convenience11:33
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oneswigpriteau: interesting!  So this seems to cover the Swift API side of things.  I'd be interested to hear how it works (doubly so if it doesn't)11:34
martial_Cloudfuse interesting indeed11:35
priteauIsn't it the same in s3fs-fuse?11:36
oneswigpriteau: How are the new SDN switches integrating?11:36
martial_Last commit 2 years ago11:36
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priteauoneswig: Nicely! We are now testing the functionality to attach external OpenFlow controllers, it should be available to users soon.11:37
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oneswigI would also be interested to hear about the flowvisor / network slicing stuff and how that integrates with Ironic multi-tenant network environments...11:38
davehollandthat is interesting, yes please11:38
oneswigpriteau: does it work in-band or do you need to expose the network management port to a tenant's SDN controller?11:38
priteauThose switches (from Corsa) have the concept of network namespaces, so we managed to get the switch to contact the controller via its uplink and a dedicated IP, rather than management port11:40
oneswigthat's an important advantage11:41
priteauAnd anyway, the port which needs to be exposed is the controller's port, not the switch's port11:41
priteauSo the switch can sit behind NAT, for this purpose11:41
oneswigAh, good point11:41
priteauThose switches do the hard work of isolating ports in separate VFCs (VFC = Virtual Forwarding Context). We modified networking-generic-switch to leverage this feature and map each Neutron network to a separate VFC.11:42
priteauOne downside is that we're limited to 63 VFCs11:43
daveholland63 per switch or overall?11:44
oneswigThat is slightly limited but probably your users requiring openflow are not that high?11:44
oneswigDo you have a 64th context for ol'fashioned Ethernet?11:44
priteau63 per switch, I assume that's a hardware limit, maybe they have 64 processing cores11:44
priteauBut in a multi-rack system, you may want all your Neutron networks to be declared on all switches, so the limit would apply on your whole deployment11:45
davehollandOK, you can't do something to provision the network (VLAN?) on the fly?11:46
priteauWe set up the VFCs to be acting as a learning switch by default, in that case there is an OpenFlow controller running on the switch, the users don't see it at all and it behaves like a normal switch11:47
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priteauoneswig: yes, we assume that we won't have that many OpenFlow users, although this also applies to anyone who might want an isolated network. For now we're way below this limit.11:48
oneswigpriteau: so you can't share a VFC and have VLANs for isolation?11:48
priteauoneswig: I believe this could be possible, but we haven't explored it yet.11:49
priteauWe wanted to give the most control first, since that's mostly why we bought those switches11:49
oneswigIs there a public-domain equivalent to what these switches do?11:50
priteauI suppose you could do something similar for VMs using Open vSwitch, but it's software processing11:51
martial_Corsa vfc switch you say?11:52
priteauVFC is their own terminology for the isolation feature11:52
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priteauWe have those switches at UC:
priteauAnd one of those at TACC:
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martial_Nice thanks11:54
oneswigIs there a migration path to P4?11:54
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priteauWe have people in Chameleon looking at P4, but not using this hardware. I am not aware of any P4 support in Corsa switches.11:55
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oneswigOK - be interesting to know what their future plans are around this.11:55
oneswigOK - nearly at the hour.  Any more to add?11:57
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oneswigThanks everyone11:58
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davehollandthanks, see you soon11:58
oneswigdaveholland: see you in a couple of weeks!11:58
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priteauBye everyone11:59
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jungleboyj#startmeeting Cinder16:00
openstackMeeting started Wed May  9 16:00:44 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jungleboyj. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'cinder'16:00
jungleboyjCourtesy Ping:  jungleboyj DuncanT diablo_rojo, diablo_rojo_phon, rajinir tbarron xyang xyang1 e0ne gouthamr thingee erlon tpsilva patrickeast tommylikehu eharney geguileo smcginnis lhx_ lhx__ aspiers jgriffith moshele hwalsh felipemonteiro lpetrut lseki16:01
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geguileohi! o/16:01
_pewp_jungleboyj (;-_-)ノ16:01
jungleboyjOk, looks like we have a good group.  Lets get started.16:03
jungleboyjPretty light agenda today.16:03
jungleboyj#topic announcements16:03
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jungleboyjNot a lot in the way of announcement right now.16:04
jungleboyjThe summit is coming up and hopefully everyone is getting some time to prepare for that.16:04
jgriffithSummit?  That's next month right?16:05
jungleboyjjgriffith: Starts two weeks from last Monday.16:05
smcginnisjgriffith: :)16:05
jgriffithsmcginnis: :)16:05
jgriffithsmcginnis: the frightening thing is they believe I don't know16:06
jungleboyjIf you know of anyone who needs to get some OpenStack education have them sign up for OpenStack Upstream Institute16:06
jungleboyjjgriffith:  :-p16:06
smcginnisjgriffith: hehe16:06
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jungleboyjSo, that is all I have there.16:07
jungleboyj#topic Rocky Priorities Review16:07
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jungleboyjI just took a look through the etherpad and we have made good progress getting things merged since I last looked.16:08
jungleboyjThank you for the focus there and the work to get code submitted and merged.16:08
jungleboyjI don't really have a lot more to share there unless others have updates ...16:09
jungleboyjAlready got the update from geguileo on HA development.16:10
jungleboyj#topic Cinder Placement Discussion16:10
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jungleboyjWe have the Cinder Placement Discussion at the Forum.16:10
jungleboyjcdent has started an etherpad for that discussion:16:11
jungleboyjThink this is going to be an important discussion.16:11
jungleboyjWe need to understand what this means for Cinder so please add your thoughts there whether you will be at the Summit or not.16:12
geguileojungleboyj: I'm not going to the summit, so can I just give my -2 here?  };-)16:12
tommylikehugeguileo:  oh no :)16:12
jungleboyjgeguileo:  Uh oh.16:12
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jungleboyjgeguileo:  Do share.16:12
smcginnisjgriffith: wanted to make sure you saw that too as far as standalone cinder implications. ^^16:13
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jungleboyjsmcginnis:  ++16:13
geguileojungleboyj: I'll update the etherpad, but I think that's not a great idea16:13
geguileobecause all we need is to have the same view in all schedulers16:13
geguileoand if we add a new service, and is deployed in active/active fashion16:13
smcginnisgeguileo: Do you think you will be available if we try to bring you in to the discussion via hangouts or something?16:13
geguileoit will have the same problem16:13
geguileobasically that's my concern, that it is unlikely to give us much that new placement service16:14
geguileobesides having yet another service to maintain16:14
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geguileomore rabbitmq queues, more memory, etc16:14
geguileomore DB connections16:14
geguileosmcginnis: I will try to connect via hangouts or relay my concerns in the Etherpad and/or via IRC16:15
smcginnisgeguileo: OK great.16:15
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geguileosmcginnis: and thanks for pinging me about this on the cinder channel  :-)16:15
smcginnisgeguileo: Also, I need to check, but if you haven't added comments on the patch that brought this up, that would be good.16:15
jungleboyjgeguileo:  Sounds good.  If you are planning to try to attend via hangouts please let me know.16:15
geguileosmcginnis: I added my comments to the placement service spec16:16
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geguileotommylikehu: the spec was yours, right iirc16:16
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geguileoAnd that one has my -2 in there with my comments16:17
tommylikehugeguileo: I have same concerns  as you do, we should not introduce this if we can't find something really help us, but they can discuss it then16:18
jungleboyjOk.  So, we have concerns to raise.  We will see what they say and waht we can do.16:18
geguileotommylikehu: yeah, it's always worth the wile discussing these kind of things16:19
jungleboyjgeguileo:  ++16:19
smcginnisYeah, if we don't use it for this use case, at least we can hopefully have a better understanding of it and what use cases we may eventually want to use it for.16:19
jungleboyjMaybe things that they haven't considered for the service.16:19
jgriffithFWIW we already have "placemnt" semantics16:19
smcginnisOr a better understanding of why we wouldn't ever want to use it.16:19
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  ++16:19
jgriffiththe A/A question is a different story and yes this is all mixed up at this point16:20
geguileosmcginnis: +116:20
geguileojgriffith: are we talking about A/A in placement? or something else?16:20
jgriffithgeguileo: that's sort of the problem IMO16:21
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geguileoI agree16:21
geguileoBecause if the solution is having an A/P service for the placement16:21
geguileothen we might as well just run a single scheduler and we have it solved16:21
jungleboyjWell, there are multiple considerations here.16:22
jungleboyjWhat can the Placement Service do?  What can go wrong with the current design?16:22
geguileoOK, there is definitely discussion needed  :-)16:23
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jungleboyjSo, please add notes to the etherpad.  Come join the discussion if you can.16:24
jungleboyjWe can try to bring others in via Hangouts if you can't be there.16:24
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jungleboyjI think we can move on.16:25
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jungleboyj#topic NVMeOF cinder backend16:26
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hamdykhi everyone16:26
hamdykthis is a weekly reminder to review cinder NVMEoF commit16:26
hamdykI see smcginnis has +2 the commit, thank you16:26
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jungleboyjhamdyk:  Ok, good news. I will take a look.16:27
hamdykI think we are very close to get commit merged16:27
jungleboyj#topic Open Discussion16:27
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jungleboyjAnyone have anything else they want to discuss?16:28
hamdykthat's all16:28
jungleboyj<insert cricket sound effect>16:29
jungleboyjIf not we can wrap up early ...16:30
walshhFavor if I may16:30
jungleboyjwalshh:  Sure.16:30
walshhI have 3 features with clean CI that need review16:30
smcginnisPlease add any etherpads you are working on and get started content in those etherpads for the Forum.16:30
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jungleboyjsmcginnis:  Thanks for the link.16:32
jungleboyjwalshh:  Thanks.  Will try to take a look now that CIs are passing.16:33
walshhAppreciate it16:33
jungleboyjAnything else for today?16:33
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jungleboyjOk.  I will take that as a no.16:34
jungleboyjThank you everyone for attending and for continuing to work on Cinder!16:35
jungleboyjTalk to you all next week.16:35
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* fungi peers around for other storyboard folk19:00
SotK#startmeeting storyboard19:00
openstackMeeting started Wed May  9 19:00:50 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'storyboard'19:00
fungidiablo_rojo: around or still on a beach somewhere? ;)19:01
nmagnezifungi, well, I'm from Octavia, but here to check about the etherpad list we discussed couple of weeks ago :)19:01
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SotK#link Agenda19:01
funginmagnezi: ahh, yeah there was some subsequent discussion of a bunch of those items ni #storyboard... some are apparently already fixed or nearly so19:02
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nmagnezifungi, ack. would be great if I can get some pointers :)19:02
diablo_rojoI'm here!19:02
SotK#topic Announcements19:03
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SotKHeat migrated!19:03
diablo_rojoSotK, I did update the agenda a bit so its accurate :)19:03
fungiworth (re)announcing the storyboard forum session for vancouver?19:04
SotKdiablo_rojo: I noticed, thanks for that19:04
fungiahh, that's already on there! ;)19:04
SotKyep, there is also a forum session in Vancouver19:05
SotKwe should make an etherpad for that at some point19:05
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diablo_rojoYes we should19:05
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diablo_rojoEtherpads for all the things is one of my todo's for the day19:06
diablo_rojoBut if you want to make it go for it ;)19:06
SotKdo you have a naming convention in mind?19:07
* diablo_rojo realizes she could make one now rather than talking about it and goes to make one19:07
diablo_rojoI was just gonna name it the same as the forum title19:07
diablo_rojomaybe shortening to SB and LP19:07
SotKthat makes sense19:07
* diablo_rojo goes to make it19:07
diablo_rojoWill add it to the master list of etherpads too19:08
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SotKI think that's all for announcements19:10
SotK#topic Migration Updates19:10
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SotKdiablo_rojo: how's it going?19:13
diablo_rojoSo LOCI is set for Friday19:13
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diablo_rojoand we talked a bit about TripleO in the Infra Meeting yesterday- sounds like its basically time to just pull the trigger on all of it19:14
diablo_rojocontinuing to do a squad at a time is starting to be more trouble than its worth19:14
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diablo_rojoDon't have a date yet for that one.19:15
fungi#link list of vancoucer summit etherpads19:15
fungigah, my internet service went dead, sorry about the now well-out-of-context comment my ssh session had queued there :/19:15
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diablo_rojofungi, already added :)19:15
diablo_rojomwhahaha, wanted to email the dev list and warn people before we go. Not sure if we want to try to fit the migration in before the Summit or when fungi thinks when would be best.19:16
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fungiperhaps better after. i've already committed to doing loci this friday, may want a moratorium on other migrations until after the conference19:17
diablo_rojofungi, that works for me :)19:17
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diablo_rojolbragstad, reached out and asked me to do a test migration of keystone so thats on my list of things to do presummit.19:17
* fungi could use at least one fewer thing to worry about between now and then19:18
SotKits good to hear that keystone are interested :)19:20
diablo_rojofungi, you and me both- feeling a bit overwhealmed currently19:20
diablo_rojoSotK, yeah :)19:20
diablo_rojoContinued interest is good :)19:20
fungigiven the heat import took somewhere in the vicinity of 14 hours for a single pass, i anticipate keystone taking at least that long if not longer19:21
diablo_rojofungi, yeah I expect similar19:21
lbragstaddiablo_rojo: that can wait until post summit, too19:21
fungithanks lbragstad!19:22
* fungi feels bad about being so overbooked19:22
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diablo_rojolbragstad, it doesn't take much effort to kick off the scripts, but I will prioritize it lower on the list :)19:22
lbragstadcool - i know we're not short on things to do in keystoneland either... so making sure people have bandwidth to play with things after the migration would be good :)19:23
diablo_rojolbragstad, makes sense :)19:24
lbragstadhrybacki: was interested in it specifically19:24
diablo_rojoNoted. When I get it done I can let you both know.19:24
SotKany more migration things?19:26
diablo_rojoNot that I can think of right now..19:26
SotK#topic In Progress Work19:26
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SotK#link Octavia's concerns/issues with StoryBoard19:27
fungiyour cue, nmagnezi!19:27
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nmagnezihi all19:27
diablo_rojoWelcome :)19:28
nmagnezijust  wanted to know if there is any additional input needed from our side regarding
nmagneziand wanted to ask for feedback (some of it was provided in the etherpad itself)19:28
diablo_rojonmagnezi, I think SotK and I have gone through and added comments to all of the points you brought up.19:28
* diablo_rojo skims looking for things that need more info19:29
nmagnezidiablo_rojo, yup. but since you discussed this internally on #storyboard i was wondering if there's anything more I should be aware of19:29
diablo_rojonmagnezi, Looks like 5 had a note19:30
diablo_rojoWhat notification is missing? It looks like it works for someone19:31
diablo_rojo(not many people have names with their edit colors)19:31
nmagnezidiablo_rojo, sadly I don't recall who added this. I'll ask in our channel and keep you posted19:31
nmagnezias you said, the names are not shown19:31
fungiyeah, i think right now notification only happens if you "star" the story19:31
diablo_rojoOkay cool.19:32
diablo_rojoSo looks like most of the things we are open to and agree would be good to have we just are low on manpower.19:32
SotKyep, or if you "star" (subscribe) to a project that has tasks in a given story19:32
fungiahh, right that too19:33
diablo_rojofor 14, I went to go review again (didn't have +2 power when I originally reviewed) and its in merge conflict19:33
nmagneziyup. it works for me and for our PTL ( johnsom ) so I'll ask the other folks19:33
fungithough at the moment e-mail notifications from private stories are still broken, if memory serves. that's a bug we want to fix, for sure19:33
diablo_rojoI vaguely remember that happening a while ago which may have contributed to the lack of reviews.19:33
nmagneziwhat about subscribing other folks to a story? same is in Launchpad19:34
nmagnezinumber 919:34
SotKnmagnezi: that falls into the "would be good but we haven't got round to it yet" category for me19:35
diablo_rojoI am fine with that, but its going to take some UI changes.19:35
SotKyep, it'd be nice to have but like most of the things on that list its something that was either not a priority or not considered yet when we had sufficient time for rapidly implementing things19:36
fungiwell, and specifically features which were noted as actively preventing teams from switching from launchpad to storyboard got prioritized19:38
nmagnezithe lack of some features there is causing developers to file patches without actually documenting some issues as stories19:39
diablo_rojofungi, right. The blockers got priority. We are almost to the point where we can start working on the nice to haves/would make life better.19:39
nmagneziwhich is bad for our community19:39
diablo_rojonmagnezi, agreed.19:39
nmagnezisince we would really want to have a process that bases on stories severity/prio and proactively backport stuff to our stable branches19:40
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nmagnezipeople already start using tags in commit msgs instead..19:40
nmagnezi(backport candidate for example)19:41
diablo_rojoI wonder how other teams are handling these issues..19:41
* SotK would recommend using a board for that19:41
nmagneziSotK, you mean a Trello board?19:42
SotKlike, add the things which need backporting to a board with a "Needs Backporting" (or similar) lane19:42
SotKlike a StoryBoard board19:42
diablo_rojoI think a lot of the benefits of storyboard come from worklists and boards, but its such a different mechanism than what we are used to from LP its hard to get used to using them.19:42
SotKbut yeah it works pretty much the same way as a Trello board, if that is what you mean19:42
diablo_rojonmagnezi, yeah but they exist in StoryBoard :)19:42
diablo_rojoYou/ PTL/ Cores can set up a board for the team and manage stories priorities there.19:43
johnsomThe problem with the work lists and board is they are not searchable.  I.e. I can't do rich query against them.19:43
johnsomI.e. like we did in launchpad, show me critical bugs with backport candidate19:44
diablo_rojoSotK, how hard would it be to add filtering to the board view?19:45
clarkbcan't you do a search on both criteria (and potentially build a lane for that?)19:45
clarkbI guess you can't modify the existing lane though19:45
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diablo_rojoI feel like this has come up before..19:45
SotKclarkb: I think the problem is that there is no concept of "critical" now, since boards/worklists are intended to be used for that instead19:45
johnsomRight, it is just the order of stuff in these lists, boards19:46
johnsomWhich, is a huge pain in the neck to maintain I might add19:46
diablo_rojojohnsom, I think thats where automatic worklists come into play.19:46
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diablo_rojoAs you interact with the story and the criteria changes it moves so you don't need to manually update the board too.19:47
johnsomBut they are un-ordered, you have to order them by mental criteria of "critical", high, etc.19:47
johnsomAutomatic just means auto member or not19:47
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johnsomWhat criteria on a story? There is no priority metadata, etc. As far as I see the criteria is just when someone updated a comment19:48
diablo_rojoCould they be separate lists? One for backport and critical and one for critical?19:48
diablo_rojocriteria being project its associated with, tags, etc19:49
johnsomAnd manage these by free-form tags?19:49
diablo_rojoI would agree upon a set of tags and document them like tripleO did, but yes basically19:50
johnsomWe had defined tags in launchpad, but more importantly some key metadata fields on the bugs that could be used for rich search.19:51
diablo_rojoSotK, what are all the criteria you can use to populate and automatic worklist?19:52
johnsomWe already have tagging issues with "backport" "backport-candidate", etc. in the tags lists19:52
SotKoff the top of my head, I think its the same set of things you can filter for in the list of stories19:53
diablo_rojoSotK, which are..? :)19:54
nmagnezijust by looking at a list!/worklist/268 I'm missing  more metadata in this view such as severity / priority , assigned to, branches and more in order to have a good view of that actual list19:54
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johnsomJust a quick tag search with "bac"19:55
johnsomi.e. nomenclature is already becoming a challenge19:56
diablo_rojoSo do a auto worklist for each of those with the additional criteria of all the octavia repos and is not merged.19:56
diablo_rojoAnd have all of those worklists on a single backport potential board19:56
diablo_rojoDoes that work/make sense?19:56
SotKdiablo_rojo: status, assignee, title/description, project, project group, tags19:57
johnsomNone of those are the tags we defined for our team19:57
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fungilp also had freeform bugtags, though what it had which sb is missing is the ability to mark certain tags as official which added typeahead matching and bolding in the ui. there's been some discussion on providing a means of tag standardization in sb along those lines19:57
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diablo_rojojohnsom, oh I misunderstood- I thought those were your tags.19:58
SotKnmagnezi: if the tasks were in that list rather than the stories, the assignees at least would be visible19:58
johnsomnope, those come up first, you don't get ours until "backport"19:58
SotKI agree that UI needs some work though19:59
diablo_rojoAhh okay I get it now. Well if you have your tags defined, the same idea with the correct tags should work.19:59
SotKwe're out of time, but I'm happy to continue this in #storyboard once I've eaten some food20:00
diablo_rojothe correct tags crossed with your repos should make it so you don't get any one else's stuff20:00
SotKthanks for coming folks20:00
diablo_rojoYes happy to continue chatting :)20:00
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