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| ekcs | #startmeeting congressteammeeting | 02:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Jun 8 02:31:42 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekcs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 02:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 02:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: congressteammeeting)" | 02:31 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting' | 02:31 |
| ekcs | hi all! | 02:32 |
| ekcs | topics are kept here as usual. please add/comment as desired https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-meeting-topics | 02:32 |
| akhil_jain | ekcs: hi! | 02:32 |
| ekcs | hi akhil_jain ! how’s it been? | 02:33 |
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| akhil_jain | nothing much. making monasca push driver ready on local env | 02:33 |
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| ekcs | nice! | 02:35 |
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| ekcs | I’ve had a pretty good week too. | 02:35 |
| ekcs | ok let’s get started then. | 02:35 |
| ekcs | just a quick announcement that rocky-2 releases are tagged for congress and congress-dashboard. | 02:36 |
| ekcs | also a new congress client 1.10.0 release. doing that early in the cycle so hopefully any problems surface before the end of the cycle. | 02:36 |
| masahito | hi | 02:37 |
| ekcs | hi masahito ! | 02:37 |
| ekcs | #topic defer type consolidation from data source to policy engine | 02:38 |
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| ekcs | just want to mention this patch to see if anyone wants to take a look. | 02:38 |
| ekcs | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/562089/ | 02:38 |
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| ekcs | basically, congress data source driver converts some types (bool for example) to strings because that’s how agnostic engine handles them. | 02:39 |
| ekcs | but other data consumers can benefit from the original (bool) data rather than the string. so this is some refactoring to move the conversion from datasource driver to policy engine. | 02:40 |
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| ekcs | any comments or discussions now? if not we can move on. | 02:42 |
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| ekcs | alright let’s move on then =) | 02:47 |
| ekcs | #topic JSON in execute[] | 02:47 |
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| ekcs | some execute[client_method(args)] take JSON structure as arguments. e.g., neutron create_security_group | 02:48 |
| ekcs | congress can't successfully call because Congress can pass it only JSON string, not JSON structure | 02:48 |
| ekcs | There are two ways (at least) to fix this problem. one is to add code to data source drivers to convert from JSON string to JSON structure on these methods | 02:49 |
| ekcs | the other is to add a new Congress builtin str2json(a, b) which takes str input a and convert to JSON structure b. | 02:49 |
| ekcs | any interest in discussing the two approaches or other ideas? | 02:50 |
| masahito | First one looks better to me. | 02:50 |
| ekcs | right I think so too at least from the rule perspective. | 02:51 |
| masahito | The policy writer usually doesn't care of the execute's [] argument format. | 02:51 |
| ekcs | that’s a good point. | 02:51 |
| ekcs | the difficulty is that we then need to manually indicate which arguments of which methods to convert. does not work well with the current automated import of client action methods into driver. | 02:52 |
| ekcs | but if it’s the right thing to do then it’s the right thing to do. | 02:52 |
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| masahito | IIRC, neutronv2 driver handles the issue. | 02:53 |
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| masahito | here https://github.com/openstack/congress/blob/master/congress/datasources/neutronv2_driver.py#L470 | 02:54 |
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| ekcs | ah interesting. | 02:56 |
| masahito | we're now using servers_set_meta() in nova_driver.py internally, and the current rule forms more readable rule. | 02:56 |
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| masahito | execute[nova.server_set_meta(tag, value)] :- some_rule(tag, value) like this. | 02:57 |
| ekcs | I see. so maybe we should continue that approach with other things. like neutron create_security_group for example is where I ran into the issue. | 02:58 |
| ekcs | great thanks for the related info! | 02:59 |
| ekcs | very helpful to have that perspective | 02:59 |
| ekcs | #topic open discussion | 03:00 |
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| ekcs | anything else we want to talk about today? | 03:00 |
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| ekcs | alright let’s end meeting then if nothing else for today. have a great weekend and see you next week! | 03:05 |
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| akhil_jain | Happy weekend! | 03:06 |
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| ekcs | bye akhil_jain ! | 03:09 |
| ekcs | #endmeeting | 03:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 03:09 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Jun 8 03:09:08 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:09 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2018/congressteammeeting.2018-06-08-02.31.html | 03:09 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2018/congressteammeeting.2018-06-08-02.31.txt | 03:09 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2018/congressteammeeting.2018-06-08-02.31.log.html | 03:09 |
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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Jun 8 14:00:22 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| mlavalle | Hi there! | 14:00 |
| manjeets_ | hello | 14:00 |
| yamamoto | hi | 14:00 |
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| mlavalle | Good evening yamamoto | 14:00 |
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| mlavalle | Good morning manjeets_ | 14:01 |
| haleyb | hi | 14:01 |
| manjeets_ | happy friday mlavalle | 14:01 |
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| mlavalle | Before starting, I just want to make sure yamamoto has seen this: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-June/131252.html | 14:03 |
| mlavalle | I checked the Midonet repo and didn't seem to me there was going to be impact | 14:03 |
| mlavalle | But I would like you to double check | 14:03 |
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| yamamoto | i haven't noticed it. i'll check later. | 14:04 |
| mlavalle | yamamoto: Thanks! | 14:04 |
| amotoki | hi, sorry for late. | 14:04 |
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| amotoki | today is a holiday special to my comany and I had some beer.... so my response might be a bit slow | 14:04 |
| mlavalle | amotoki: welcome, you haven't lost anything | 14:05 |
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| mlavalle | #topic RFEs | 14:05 |
| haleyb | mmm, beer :) to bad it's only 10am here | 14:05 |
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| mlavalle | LOL | 14:05 |
| amotoki | :) | 14:05 |
| manjeets_ | 7 am here :( imagine how bad it is here | 14:05 |
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| mlavalle | First RFE to discuss today is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1744223 | 14:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1744223 in neutron "[RFE] VPNaaS: handle local side's tunnel IP in ipsec-site-connection operations" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to Hunt Xu (huntxu) | 14:06 |
| mlavalle | We discussed this RFE 3 weeks ago. We were close to approve it, contingent on one question | 14:07 |
| mlavalle | The submitter has not responded so far | 14:07 |
| mlavalle | I propose marking it postponed and let him / her change the status if there is still interest in pursuing it | 14:08 |
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| yamamoto | can he change the status by himself? | 14:10 |
| amotoki | In my understanding the problem is to sync external IPs with a router operation. right? | 14:10 |
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| amotoki | yamamoto: what do you mean? | 14:12 |
| yamamoto | my understanding is that he wants to allow changing v6 address when there are only v4 connections. and vice versa. | 14:13 |
| mlavalle | yamamoto: I just propose to change the tag. If he was able to file the bug, he should be able to change the tag | 14:13 |
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| yamamoto | amotoki: i was concerning if he can change tags | 14:13 |
| yamamoto | mlavalle: ok then sounds fine | 14:14 |
| mlavalle | and yes, I share yamamoto's understanding of the request | 14:15 |
| * mlavalle changing the tag and leaving a comment | 14:15 | |
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| mlavalle | Done | 14:18 |
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| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1757044 | 14:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1757044 in neutron "[RFE] neutron L3 router gateway IP QoS" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to LIU Yulong (dragon889) | 14:18 |
| mlavalle | There are two patches up for review for this: | 14:19 |
| mlavalle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/424468/ | 14:19 |
| mlavalle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/568526/ | 14:19 |
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| amotoki | theoretically we can apply QoS policy to a router gateway already by applying QoS policy to a gateway port | 14:20 |
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| mlavalle | correct | 14:21 |
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| amotoki | but I agree that it would be nice if we have a way via router gateway in the neutron API. | 14:21 |
| mlavalle | but he makes the observation that approach is to broad | 14:21 |
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| amotoki | so iwhat is expected by applying qos-policy-id to a router gateway? | 14:23 |
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| amotoki | actually I am confused with the problem statement. "When QoS is bound to the gateway port, all north-south traffic is restricted. Such restriction is inflexible" and "Therefore, we need to provide an alternative method in the view of L3. Aka, allowing bind QoS to router gateway IP." | 14:24 |
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| yamamoto | i'm not sure what kind of traffic it's expected to apply | 14:25 |
| yamamoto | only snat'ed traffic? | 14:25 |
| yamamoto | or any traffic using the ip? | 14:25 |
| amotoki | is he suggesting to apply QoS for SNAT traffic? | 14:25 |
| mlavalle | snat was my interpretation | 14:26 |
| amotoki | does this RFE request to apply QoS to traffic via gateway port only with gateway IP (not FIP) ? | 14:26 |
| amotoki | ah, i see. | 14:26 |
| yamamoto | i thought he meant snat. but there can be other traffic using the address. eg. vpnaas | 14:27 |
| mlavalle | tthat's a good point | 14:28 |
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| amotoki | good point | 14:28 |
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| mlavalle | thinking about it, he also meant vpnaas traffic | 14:29 |
| mlavalle | maybe | 14:29 |
| mlavalle | I propose asking clarification as to the use case he has in mind | 14:30 |
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| mlavalle | ok, leaving clarification question in the RFE | 14:32 |
| yamamoto | i wonder if something to specify on port can be more flexible. e.g "this qos policy on port applies only traffic with ips on this port itself" | 14:32 |
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| mlavalle | ok, left follow up questions in the RFE | 14:36 |
| mlavalle | Our next RFE today is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1774459 | 14:37 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1774459 in neutron "RFE: Update permanent ARP entries for allowed_address_pair IPs in DVR Routers" [Wishlist,New] | 14:37 |
| mlavalle | It is more a request for guidance as to how to tackle a problem in DVR | 14:37 |
| haleyb | right, it's a bug that needs solving | 14:38 |
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| haleyb | i guess i'm not a fan of running something that is watching packets | 14:41 |
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| mlavalle | me neither | 14:42 |
| haleyb | maybe it's possible to have something running that monitors the ARP table periodically? | 14:42 |
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| haleyb | ip monitor neigh (for example) | 14:43 |
| mlavalle | how about adding these potential solutions to the RFE and see if we can iterate to a solution? | 14:45 |
| haleyb | sure, because we already have an IPMonitor class | 14:45 |
| haleyb | the keepalived state change code uses it | 14:46 |
| haleyb | i'll but a commen in the bug | 14:47 |
| amotoki | is this an issue with DVR and L3-HA or only with DVR? | 14:48 |
| amotoki | (sorry I haven't understood the whole problem scope.) | 14:48 |
| mlavalle | it's L3-HA | 14:48 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: is this what you are talking about: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/agent/linux/ip_monitor.py#L59? | 14:49 |
| amotoki | thanks. I am trying to trace what is happening... | 14:49 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: yeah, it runs in the l3-ha case and watches for events | 14:50 |
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| mlavalle | ok, added another comment pointing to the piece of code | 14:53 |
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| mlavalle | let's see if we can get the 'brainstorming' going | 14:54 |
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| mlavalle | any other suggestions from the team? | 14:54 |
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| yamamoto | nothing from me | 14:54 |
| amotoki | me neither | 14:54 |
| haleyb | join amotoki for a beer? | 14:55 |
| yamamoto | good idea | 14:55 |
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| manjeets__ | :) | 14:55 |
| * mlavalle has a dentist appointment i 2 hours | 14:55 | |
| amotoki | :) | 14:55 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: i did have one comment | 14:55 |
| mlavalle | shoot | 14:55 |
| haleyb | and maybe it's just because i haven't followed the flow of rfe -> blueprint, etc | 14:56 |
| haleyb | in a spec we had a specific testing section, but we don't seem to specifically have one for an rfe | 14:56 |
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| haleyb | someone here noticed that it would be good to know what type of testing was proposed so we could say "you need fullstack too" for example | 14:57 |
| amotoki | RFEs request what we need to have rather than how it can be implemented. | 14:57 |
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| amotoki | if usecase or request is reasonbale but it needs more discussion on how to achieve/implement it, we usually discuss them in specs. | 14:58 |
| mlavalle | correct | 14:58 |
| mlavalle | there are RFEs that are simple enough that don't require spec, so we can proceed to implement | 14:59 |
| mlavalle | But in more complex cases, once we agree on the what, we need a spec | 14:59 |
| mlavalle | running out of time | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Jun 8 15:00:09 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| haleyb | ok. i guess it's maybe just something i need to keep in mind during review - make sure docs and/or tests are approprate | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2018/neutron_drivers.2018-06-08-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2018/neutron_drivers.2018-06-08-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2018/neutron_drivers.2018-06-08-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
| amotoki | thanks | 15:00 |
| yamamoto | good luck with dentist | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | Thanks | 15:00 |
| manjeets__ | thanks ! | 15:00 |
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| * fungi peers around for release team folks | 15:01 | |
| dhellmann | o/ | 15:01 |
| ttx | o/ | 15:01 |
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| fungi | if only you could fax me a donut | 15:02 |
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| ttx | smcginnis: ? | 15:02 |
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| lbragstad | i could try and stuff one in our scanner but my wife probably wouldn't approve | 15:02 |
| smcginnis | Shoot, sorry. | 15:02 |
| smcginnis | #startmeeting releaseteam | 15:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Jun 8 15:03:09 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
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| smcginnis | Too caught up looking at other things. | 15:03 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 15:03 |
| annabelleB | o/ | 15:03 |
| smcginnis | Ping list: dhellmann, dims, fungi, tonyb, lbragstad, ttx, armstrong, annabelleB | 15:03 |
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| armstrong | Hello | 15:03 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/rocky-relmgt-tracking Agenda | 15:03 |
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| smcginnis | Down around line ~244 | 15:04 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Rocky-2 status | 15:05 |
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| smcginnis | Relatively painless yesterday. | 15:05 |
| smcginnis | We still have Cinder and Sahara out there waiting to clear check. | 15:05 |
| smcginnis | Unless anyone has any objections, I think we can continue to process those today. | 15:05 |
| smcginnis | I saw we got a few of the lib releases through already. | 15:06 |
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| smcginnis | lbragstad: Not sure if you saw the comment on the keystonemiddleware request, but take a look and let me know if that makes sense. | 15:06 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I went ahead and approved things in the order they arrived, regardless of the type | 15:06 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 15:07 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 15:07 |
| lbragstad | smcginnis: correct - we don't need a release for ksm, but i didn't want to miss a deadline if there was one for skm | 15:07 |
| lbragstad | ksm* | 15:07 |
| dhellmann | I pasted a list of the things that haven't merged an rc2 release tag yet | 15:07 |
| fungi | the gate seems pretty slammed the past couple days, i expect due to last-minute approvals for r-2 | 15:07 |
| smcginnis | lbragstad: No, for cycle-with-intermediary you are fine. That can happen later once there are changes to get out there. | 15:08 |
| dhellmann | it looks like we're missing quite a few | 15:08 |
| ttx | I don't mind some amount of busy-ness | 15:08 |
| lbragstad | ack - thanks | 15:08 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Oh great, I was just about to run that report. | 15:08 |
| lbragstad | i'll abandon that review for now to clear the queue | 15:08 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Wait, I thought you did release-test yesterday. :D | 15:09 |
| smcginnis | lbragstad: OK, thanks! | 15:09 |
| dhellmann | haha | 15:09 |
| smcginnis | Kind of the usual suspects in that list. | 15:09 |
| dhellmann | removed | 15:09 |
| dhellmann | trove said they weren't going to bother, right? I'm still not sure how I feel about that. | 15:09 |
| smcginnis | Yeah... | 15:10 |
| fungi | maybe they really mean they're not going to bother maintaining it | 15:10 |
| ttx | cyborg might be worth checking | 15:10 |
| smcginnis | Cyborg and freezer had done a milestone-1 release at least. Still checking through the list. | 15:10 |
| dhellmann | or was that octavia? | 15:10 |
| ttx | the others are definitely on the low-activity side | 15:11 |
| fungi | last trove commit on master was nearly two months ago | 15:11 |
| smcginnis | fungi: They said they had system package breakages right now or something so they are maintaining it but it is not in a good shape right now. | 15:11 |
| ttx | yeah, checking on trove is on my list | 15:11 |
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| smcginnis | But with the history on trove, there's certainly plently of concern there. | 15:11 |
| fungi | ahh, so they're blocked from merging anything until they work through whatever is wrong there, i guess | 15:12 |
| fungi | still, that's a long time to go blocked merging to master | 15:12 |
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| smcginnis | I'm not sure if they have been blocked that whole time or if it was a recent discovery. | 15:12 |
| smcginnis | They are not an active team from what I've seen. | 15:12 |
| smcginnis | So it's possible there just wasn't anything until recently, then the issue was discoverd. | 15:13 |
| smcginnis | ed | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | I'll keep trove in mind as a priority for the team health-check review the tc just started | 15:13 |
| smcginnis | Searchlight is the only one I've seen so far that has not had any milestone releases. | 15:13 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: ++ | 15:13 |
| smcginnis | But searchlight is maintenance-mode? | 15:13 |
| fungi | searchlight has officially declared itself in maintenance mode, so that's less surprising | 15:13 |
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| smcginnis | So I wonder if we should remove their deliverable file from rocky and expect any future releases to be done as independent? | 15:14 |
| johnsom | dhellmann What did we do? We released R-MS2 and have done a client release. | 15:14 |
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| dhellmann | johnsom : sorry, I think I was confusing 2 projects | 15:14 |
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| johnsom | Ok | 15:15 |
| smcginnis | johnsom: Falsely accused! | 15:15 |
| johnsom | Grin, normal for us | 15:15 |
| smcginnis | OK, I went through the list and searchlight is indeed the only one that has not done a milestone release at all. | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | someone's project update video from the summit suggested that users tag their own releases, and I was mixing up who did that. | 15:16 |
| smcginnis | So the others can still do m-3 and meet our two milestone criteria. Not ideal, but... | 15:16 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: That was dragonflow. | 15:16 |
| dhellmann | aha, yes, another networking project. sorry, johnsom | 15:16 |
| dhellmann | thanks, smcginnis | 15:16 |
| smcginnis | Which reminds me, I should make sure their tagging ACLs are changed. | 15:16 |
| smcginnis | Any thoughts on searchlight? Or should we leave that for another time? | 15:17 |
| dhellmann | did searchlight have any updates? | 15:17 |
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| smcginnis | Or more generally, how to handle maintenance mode projects that are currently cycle-* based. | 15:18 |
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| ttx | I'd force release rather than switch to "independent" because all the "openstack" components are released on a cycle | 15:18 |
| smcginnis | But even if the project is in maintenance mode or "code complete"? | 15:18 |
| ttx | having "some" components independently-released would create confusion | 15:18 |
| * mlavalle wants to ask a question about tagging at the end of the meeting | 15:18 | |
| dhellmann | they only changes they have are translations and uncapping eventlet | 15:18 |
| ttx | well, the component can be included at the same version | 15:18 |
| dhellmann | and a couple of other ci-related changes | 15:19 |
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| dhellmann | so we should be able to safely add a milestone tag to searchlight | 15:19 |
| smcginnis | https://github.com/openstack/searchlight/compare/4.0.0...master | 15:19 |
| ttx | i.e. both Queens and Rocky get 6.0.0 or whathever | 15:19 |
| dhellmann | http://paste.openstack.org/show/722988/ | 15:19 |
| dhellmann | shall I propose that? | 15:19 |
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| ttx | It's a parallel discussion to the "stable lib" one really | 15:20 |
| smcginnis | Yeah | 15:20 |
| ttx | The solution we opt for there is likely to be the solution we opt for here | 15:20 |
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| armstrong | ttx: is there any last chance to the trove team before a release is forced on them? | 15:20 |
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| smcginnis | dhellmann: Should we tag the milestone for that, or just plan on forcing a final release for the cycle? | 15:20 |
| ttx | although we might want a release that is in sync with current requirements ? | 15:20 |
| ttx | smcginnis: I think we said we'd force-tag rocky-3 | 15:21 |
| ttx | didn't we? | 15:21 |
| smcginnis | OK, so don't force now, but do it for all of these next milestone. | 15:21 |
| smcginnis | I think that's correct. | 15:21 |
| ttx | It's the only "meaningful" milestone | 15:21 |
| ttx | and a good test befor final | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | "Projects using milestones are expected to tag at least 2 out of the 3 for each cycle, or risk being dropped as an official project. The release team will remind projects that miss the first milestone, and create tags on any later milestones for the project team by tagging HEAD at the time of the deadline. If the release team force-creates 2 tags for a project in the same given development cycle, the project will be | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | treated as inactive and the release team will recommend dropping it from the official project list" | 15:22 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, RC would be too late if there are issues. | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | from https://releases.openstack.org/reference/release_models.html#cycle-with-milestones | 15:22 |
| fungi | looks like trove has two commits since their rocky-1 tag, so not a lot but possibly still releasing (one of the two is not a testing-related change) | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | "any later milestones" | 15:22 |
| ttx | dhellmann wins | 15:22 |
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| smcginnis | dhellmann: So we force searchlight, but the others can wait until milestone 3. | 15:22 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: we'll likely need to adapt that policy for "stable" components, but yes | 15:22 |
| fungi | er, possibly still worth releasing that is | 15:23 |
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| smcginnis | dhellmann: Were you volunteering earlier to get that release going? | 15:23 |
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| fungi | oh, nevermind, the trove change which didn't look test related may still be test related | 15:23 |
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| dhellmann | https://review.openstack.org/573749 is the searchlight tag | 15:24 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Thanks | 15:24 |
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| smcginnis | OK, we should probably get going. | 15:25 |
| smcginnis | #topic Stable library discussion continuation | 15:25 |
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| smcginnis | ttx: This is your topic? | 15:25 |
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| ttx | I was not the one to put it on the agenda for the week, but I can talk | 15:25 |
| smcginnis | Oh right, I copied it forward from last week. | 15:26 |
| ttx | I haven't given it more thought this week | 15:26 |
| ttx | I think I'm still leaning toward 2bis | 15:26 |
| ttx | or 2 | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | I added 1 new option to the list which i thought we discussed but maybe not | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | which is to change them to the independent model | 15:26 |
| smcginnis | We probably did discuss that but it didn't make it to the etherpad. | 15:27 |
| fungi | i'm leaning toward 2 with the option of relaxing it to 2bis if we decide the precreation is busywork | 15:27 |
| smcginnis | I kind of lean towards 2 now, but I'll admit I didn't get to spend any time pondering this over the last week. | 15:27 |
| ttx | choice between 2 and 2bis depends how "costly" it is to do it proactively vs. reactively | 15:27 |
| ttx | maybe punt to next week for decision, with homework to give it some thought next week? | 15:28 |
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| smcginnis | That might be best. | 15:28 |
| ttx | Should we raise a thread on the ml? | 15:28 |
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| fungi | i also think dhellmann's new option 5 is really just 4 (or 4bis) | 15:28 |
| smcginnis | I guess the difference would be documenting that expecation. | 15:29 |
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| dhellmann | fungi : well, it's a bit more explicit, but maybe that is the same in effect | 15:29 |
| smcginnis | A thread on the ML seems appropriate. Who can get that started? | 15:29 |
| dhellmann | we do actually support stable branches for independent projects | 15:29 |
| ttx | I can take it (Monday) if dhellmann doesn't beat me to it | 15:29 |
| fungi | dhellmann: yeah, basically option 4 but the specific release model is the existing independent model | 15:30 |
| smcginnis | OK, thanks. | 15:30 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I'll let you tackle it, thanks | 15:30 |
| dhellmann | fungi : true | 15:30 |
| fungi | dhellmann: oh, do we create stable branches consistently for independent release projects? or just when they need them? | 15:30 |
| smcginnis | I have a feeling the next topic might have a lot of discussion time. | 15:30 |
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| dhellmann | fungi : as needed | 15:30 |
| fungi | but yeah, happy to hash the rest of this out on the ml | 15:31 |
| ttx | smcginnis: not sure :) It's not as if there was much choice | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | ttx: do you have your usual visualizations for the schedule proposals? | 15:31 |
| smcginnis | OK, let's go to the ML with this and move on to the next exciting topic. | 15:31 |
| smcginnis | #topic A longer Stein cycle | 15:31 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: no, it's more an initial temp reading before I lay the options down | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | ok | 15:32 |
| jungleboyj | I find it appropriate that we are thinking of making Stein last longer. :-) | 15:32 |
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| ttx | One side-effect of the potential co-location of PTG with Summit in 2019 is that it would push release into April instead of Feb/Mar | 15:32 |
| ttx | which is not as bad as it cuold have been | 15:32 |
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| ttx | since (1) that Summit is actually early | 15:33 |
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| fungi | jungleboyj: this will be a full liter | 15:33 |
| ttx | and (2) it's a winter cycle where a lot of time is traditionally wasted | 15:33 |
| smcginnis | So what is the actual proposal here? Make it 6.5 months? | 15:33 |
| ttx | smcginnis: no proposal | 15:33 |
| fungi | i see two proposals in the agenda | 15:33 |
| jungleboyj | fungi: Yay! | 15:33 |
| smcginnis | :) | 15:33 |
| ttx | smcginnis: I think it will be hard to make it less than 7 months though | 15:33 |
| ttx | since doing PTG at R+4 is a bit late already | 15:34 |
| fungi | 7-month or 7.5-month look like the options outlined there | 15:34 |
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| ttx | We could also just swallow that pill and make it 7.5, and do our traditional "PTG at R+2" | 15:34 |
| smcginnis | A couple extra weeks to get things aligned seems acceptable to me. | 15:35 |
| ttx | I think those are the two most likely viable options (R+2 and R+4) | 15:35 |
| smcginnis | Or just make it a year? :D | 15:35 |
| ttx | R+3 would work too of course | 15:35 |
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| ttx | R+5 would waste a lot | 15:35 |
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| ttx | R+1 is uselessly late | 15:35 |
| dhellmann | would having more time between release and the event help with planning talks, forum sessions, etc.? | 15:35 |
| ttx | potentially. | 15:36 |
| smcginnis | I think so. | 15:36 |
| annabelleB | +1 | 15:36 |
| dhellmann | that's the main reason I could see to go with R+4 | 15:36 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I wondered when someone would say that. | 15:36 |
| ttx | Only drawback is that you'd "burn" 4 weeks in a likey-5.5-month-long cycle | 15:36 |
| fungi | r+3 would make for a nice middle ground if we feel r+4 is too much tmie | 15:36 |
| fungi | er, too much time | 15:36 |
| ttx | (if we go into a 5.5/6.5 rhythm) | 15:37 |
| smcginnis | I think folks have enough to work on that those weeks would not be wasted waiting to get together to discuss things. | 15:37 |
| * ttx looks into history | 15:37 | |
| ttx | I think we did R+4 once | 15:37 |
| armstrong | R+4 is one months later from the official release date? | 15:37 |
| ttx | 4 weeks later yes | 15:37 |
| dhellmann | if it means more spec writing and pre-discussion having the time might be good. if that isn't done, the time may be considered wasted. | 15:37 |
| dhellmann | armstrong : right "R" is the release and "+4" is "four weeks later" | 15:37 |
| armstrong | Ok thanks, that seems late to me | 15:38 |
| dhellmann | the release would be happening 4 weeks before the event, which would give us a lot of time to plan what we're going to discuss at the event. perhaps too much. | 15:38 |
| ttx | let me dive into historical records | 15:38 |
| dhellmann | we can't move the event, we can only move the release date | 15:38 |
| ttx | yeah we did R+4 once | 15:39 |
| dhellmann | which cycle was that? | 15:39 |
| ttx | release on Apr 17, 2014. Design Summit on May 15, 2014 week | 15:39 |
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| ttx | Icehouse | 15:40 |
| ttx | Atlanta summit | 15:40 |
| ttx | and we survived | 15:40 |
| smcginnis | My first summit, so it all seemed good to me. | 15:40 |
| ttx | otherwise we mostly did R+3 design summits | 15:41 |
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| smcginnis | ttx: So your plan for now is to run this by folks and get input, then make an official proposal sometime in the near future? | 15:41 |
| ttx | R+2 was always considered pretty short | 15:41 |
| dhellmann | do we think we're going to need the extra time to shift gears to the new summit/ptg format? | 15:41 |
| smcginnis | I think +3 or +4 would work fine. | 15:42 |
| ttx | yes... That discussion was useful already... I think R+2 is uselessly late | 15:42 |
| dhellmann | or "back to the old" I should say | 15:42 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, I would take +2 off the table. | 15:42 |
| dhellmann | I agree | 15:42 |
| ttx | I will try to layout R+4 and see where that goes | 15:42 |
| ttx | R+5 and R+3 would probably also work, actually | 15:42 |
| dhellmann | I would stick with 3 or 4 | 15:42 |
| ttx | but R+4 sounds like a good compromise | 15:43 |
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| ttx | given that we did R+0 / R+2 PTGs | 15:43 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, might be good to layout both and see how things look. | 15:43 |
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| ttx | OK, I'll work on that | 15:43 |
| smcginnis | Any other thoughts/input from other folks? | 15:44 |
| ttx | There is no need to officialize anything (at least not until we get confirmation of teh event model, which should take a few months) | 15:44 |
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| ttx | When do you think we need to have a Stein schedule at the latest ? | 15:44 |
| ttx | Rocky-3 ? | 15:45 |
| smcginnis | Speaking of... is the event model something happening internally in the Foundation or is that a board discussion for the next meeting? | 15:45 |
| ttx | Rocky-RC1 I'd say | 15:45 |
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| smcginnis | Yeah, really the sooner the better because I know some companies like to plan out the year as much as they can, but RC1 would probably be a good deadline. | 15:46 |
| ttx | I know we-as-in-staff are currently checking if we can get an extra day to have non-overlapping PTG | 15:46 |
| ttx | before going any further | 15:46 |
| smcginnis | +1 for the extra day. | 15:46 |
| fungi | though as a general process, i think the foundation staff go over the feedback from the survey(s), and then put together a proposal which gets floated at a board meeting to get their temperature on it | 15:46 |
| ttx | That is all I needed, thanks | 15:47 |
| smcginnis | OK, thanks. Let us know how things go. (which I'm sure you will) | 15:47 |
| smcginnis | #topic Open discussion | 15:47 |
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| smcginnis | mlavalle: Did you have something you wanted to discuss? | 15:47 |
| mlavalle | it's just a question | 15:48 |
| smcginnis | Questions have a tendency to lead into longer discussion here. ;) | 15:48 |
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| mlavalle | I can ping you in the channel | 15:48 |
| smcginnis | Here is fine unless you'd rather wait. Either way works. | 15:48 |
| mlavalle | I'll ping you | 15:49 |
| smcginnis | OK, sounds good. | 15:49 |
| smcginnis | Any other items? | 15:49 |
| * smcginnis should have probably recorded some actions | 15:49 | |
| ttx | I did record them in the etherpad | 15:49 |
| smcginnis | #action Team to review stable lib options and be ready to discuss next week | 15:49 |
| smcginnis | #action ttx to start ML thread on stable libs | 15:50 |
| smcginnis | ttx: Yeah, just thinking of making it easier for anyone taking a look at the meeting summary log. | 15:50 |
| smcginnis | #action ttx to model R+4 schedule and see where that goes | 15:50 |
| smcginnis | OK, if nothing else we can wrap it up for today. | 15:51 |
| ttx | Looks like I failed at not signing up for $stuff today | 15:51 |
| smcginnis | Haha, too late now. | 15:51 |
| smcginnis | Alright, thanks everyone. | 15:51 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks. | 15:52 |
| armstrong | Thanks | 15:52 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 15:52 |
| ttx | Thanks! | 15:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Jun 8 15:52:04 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2018/releaseteam.2018-06-08-15.03.html | 15:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2018/releaseteam.2018-06-08-15.03.txt | 15:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2018/releaseteam.2018-06-08-15.03.log.html | 15:52 |
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