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| diablo_rojo | Meeting time! | 08:00 |
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| diablo_rojo | #startmeeting fc_Sig | 08:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 20 08:00:37 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is diablo_rojo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fc_Sig)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fc_sig' | 08:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 08:00 |
| gmann | o/ | 08:00 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello everyone :) | 08:00 |
| diablo_rojo | How were everyone's weekends? | 08:01 |
| * mattoliverau might be slow cause I'm also about to eat | 08:01 | |
| cmurphy | o// | 08:01 |
| diablo_rojo | Lots of waving :) | 08:01 |
| mattoliverau | Good | 08:01 |
| mattoliverau | Busy | 08:01 |
| diablo_rojo | My sister loved the recording mattoliverau :) Thank you so much for doing that for her. | 08:02 |
| mattoliverau | Nps anytime, I'm glad :) | 08:02 |
| diablo_rojo | Maybe I can drag her to an event sometime so you can meet her. | 08:02 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/First_Contact_SIG#Meeting_Agenda Today's Agenda | 08:03 |
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| diablo_rojo | Shall we get started since we are basically all here? | 08:03 |
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| mattoliverau | +1 | 08:04 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic New Contributor Patches | 08:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "New Contributor Patches (Meeting topic: fc_Sig)" | 08:04 | |
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| diablo_rojo | Everyone keeping up on their homework? | 08:04 |
| diablo_rojo | I actually did mine this week. | 08:04 |
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| gmann | i found one and reviewed | 08:04 |
| mattoliverau | I looked, and there were already reviews | 08:04 |
| diablo_rojo | I pinged dtroyer about the cliff one (its a sub repo of openstackclient) | 08:04 |
| diablo_rojo | He added it to his review list. | 08:04 |
| diablo_rojo | I took a few min to look at a few others- but yeah most had already been reviewed which was nice :) | 08:05 |
| mattoliverau | Which is good to see | 08:05 |
| diablo_rojo | +1 | 08:05 |
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| diablo_rojo | Still havent done anything with the new contributor of the month, but the sb intern is actually a thing now so thats cool. | 08:06 |
| mattoliverau | Nice | 08:07 |
| diablo_rojo | Would be great to push forward with, but I really don't have the time.. | 08:07 |
| diablo_rojo | the new contributor of the month thing | 08:07 |
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| mattoliverau | I haven't done the blog post we talked about last time. Mainly cause I need to finish my last federated swift post I promised in my talk first. | 08:07 |
| diablo_rojo | What cha been doing? Sitting on the beach? ;) | 08:08 |
| diablo_rojo | I know we are all super busy. | 08:08 |
| mattoliverau | Lol yeah something like that ;) | 08:08 |
| * diablo_rojo is jealous and wants to visit | 08:08 | |
| mattoliverau | You totally should | 08:09 |
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| diablo_rojo | Maybe I can write something super short about the intern after we get her first patch actually merged- I think its getting close. | 08:09 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, will have to at some point since I spent no time in AUS after the summit. | 08:09 |
| diablo_rojo | We shall see about the post though- maybe I can get something together about outreachy and her together. | 08:10 |
| diablo_rojo | Moving on if we have nothing else on this topic? | 08:10 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic ask.o.o Contribution Questions | 08:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ask.o.o Contribution Questions (Meeting topic: fc_Sig)" | 08:11 | |
| mattoliverau | Well we have 1 contributer worthy a note so far and we should totally not forget to give praise, definitely a great way of building confidence | 08:11 |
| mattoliverau | Move on | 08:11 |
| mattoliverau | Sorry phone is a little slow | 08:11 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, oh yeah well if you want to write something up I can find a place to get it published. | 08:11 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, no worries. | 08:11 |
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| diablo_rojo | So a few things on this- | 08:11 |
| diablo_rojo | 1. Did my homework and didn't see much. | 08:11 |
| mattoliverau | Me either, though I didn't check out the other tags, so only did part of the homework | 08:12 |
| diablo_rojo | 2. I added a few more tags from our proposed list. | 08:12 |
| mattoliverau | Nice | 08:12 |
| diablo_rojo | Didn't think all were 100% appropriate, but I kept the proposed list if anyone wants to do some extra searching. | 08:12 |
| diablo_rojo | Looks like I accidentally added 'Getting Started' twice | 08:13 |
| diablo_rojo | will fix that later | 08:13 |
| diablo_rojo | 3. I think we should draft some questions and answers to seed into o.o | 08:13 |
| gmann | on contributor of the months things- it is nice to have few lines of apprise from project team (core or PTL) where new contributor merged the patch | 08:13 |
| diablo_rojo | ask.o.o | 08:13 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, that is a good idea | 08:13 |
| diablo_rojo | testimony- like the CCA's | 08:14 |
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| diablo_rojo | Easy way to lengthen an article too. | 08:14 |
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| diablo_rojo | WRT 3 | 08:14 |
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| diablo_rojo | I can start an etherpad this week and throw some stuff in there. | 08:15 |
| gmann | +1 | 08:15 |
| mattoliverau | +1 | 08:15 |
| diablo_rojo | Cool :) | 08:15 |
| diablo_rojo | Okay onto new items now that we are done with the standing ones. | 08:15 |
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| diablo_rojo | Unless anyone has ideas of Qs right now | 08:16 |
| diablo_rojo | I am happy to transfer them to the etherpad when I make it | 08:16 |
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| diablo_rojo | ... | 08:17 |
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| mattoliverau | I'm too busy eating to think :p | 08:17 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, thats fair | 08:17 |
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| diablo_rojo | I'm not doing a ton of thinking now either | 08:17 |
| diablo_rojo | Okay so moving on then. | 08:18 |
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| diablo_rojo | #topic Reqs for Organisations Contributing to OpenStack | 08:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reqs for Organisations Contributing to OpenStack (Meeting topic: fc_Sig)" | 08:18 | |
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| ianychoi | Hi - It's the 1st time to attend fc sig :) | 08:18 |
| diablo_rojo | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-sigs/2018-June/000410.html fungi's summary | 08:18 |
| gmann | in open source summit japan and docker image sessions so difficult to think now :) | 08:18 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello ianychoi :) | 08:18 |
| ianychoi | diablo_rojo, Hello :) | 08:18 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, no worries :) that's what the etherpad will be for. | 08:18 |
| gmann | ianychoi: welcome | 08:18 |
| ianychoi | gmann, thank you! :) | 08:19 |
| mattoliverau | ianychoi: welcome! | 08:19 |
| diablo_rojo | So, fungi got around to writing a summary and it was wonderful | 08:19 |
| diablo_rojo | So that's one of the Forum todo's taken care | 08:19 |
| diablo_rojo | care of | 08:19 |
| mattoliverau | Oh really | 08:19 |
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| diablo_rojo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Reqs-for-Organisations-Contributing-to-OpenStack Forum Etherpad | 08:19 |
| mattoliverau | Then I need to do a placeholder patch | 08:19 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, yep so you're up ;) | 08:19 |
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| gmann | yes i did not attended the session but got the idea of discussion form fungi mail, thanks . | 08:19 |
| diablo_rojo | As if you didn't already have enough to do mattoliverau ;) | 08:20 |
| ianychoi | Wonderful summary :) | 08:20 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, cool :) Yeah I think he did a great job. | 08:20 |
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| diablo_rojo | ianychoi, +1 | 08:20 |
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| mattoliverau | Ok toddler is having issues, I think Im needed. I might have to drop out soon | 08:21 |
| diablo_rojo | So yeah, next step is mattoliverau's patch to the contrib guide for the higherups at various companies | 08:21 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, thats alright. Do what you gotta do :) | 08:21 |
| diablo_rojo | Just one more topic anyway. | 08:21 |
| diablo_rojo | Anyone have questions on any of this before I move onto the last one? | 08:22 |
| gmann | nope | 08:22 |
| diablo_rojo | Cool. Moving on then :) | 08:22 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic Project Liaisons | 08:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Project Liaisons (Meeting topic: fc_Sig)" | 08:22 | |
| diablo_rojo | So a few weeks ago I sent out the email. | 08:22 |
| diablo_rojo | There was no response. | 08:22 |
| diablo_rojo | So I filled out the list in the FC SIG wiki | 08:23 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/First_Contact_SIG#Project_Liaisons Liaison List | 08:23 |
| diablo_rojo | Every project that didn't have one, now has the PTL named as their liaison | 08:23 |
| gmann | nice. | 08:24 |
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| diablo_rojo | So my next step (unless someone else wants to do it) is to write a reply to the thread saying that we added PTLs but they can still delegate if they desire | 08:24 |
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| diablo_rojo | One thing I definitely need help with is filling in timezones. | 08:24 |
| diablo_rojo | I only knew a few so theres a lot of info lacking there | 08:25 |
| ianychoi | Would it be also useful if the link is included in this wiki page: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons ? | 08:25 |
| gmann | ok but do we need to keep it updated for each cycle PTL if changed ? | 08:25 |
| diablo_rojo | ianychoi, yeah that would be super helpful too. | 08:25 |
| diablo_rojo | ianychoi, if you wanna make the change I would be super appreciative | 08:25 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, yeah I thought about that.. | 08:26 |
| ianychoi | diablo_rojo, yep I will do :) thank u! | 08:26 |
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| diablo_rojo | Usually there isnt a ton of PTL churn luckily | 08:26 |
| diablo_rojo | but the ones that do change over we should update/ give the opportunity to delgate | 08:26 |
| gmann | diablo_rojo: ok. | 08:26 |
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| diablo_rojo | I think its also something we can note in the PTL duties doc that I've seen somewhere | 08:26 |
| diablo_rojo | I also know which PTL's change over as I am usually involved in the elections process :) | 08:27 |
| gmann | #link https://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/ptl.html | 08:27 |
| gmann | this one ^^ | 08:27 |
| gmann | +1 | 08:27 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah | 08:27 |
| diablo_rojo | might be good to update that with all the liaison roles that get defaulted to the PTL if they don't delegate | 08:28 |
| gmann | yeah that will be nice. | 08:28 |
| * diablo_rojo isn't volunteering but would 100% +1 the patch | 08:28 | |
| diablo_rojo | If someone else wants to take that action...? | 08:28 |
| gmann | diablo_rojo: i can do | 08:29 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, thank you! | 08:29 |
| diablo_rojo | So, adding tzs to the project liaisons thing is the only other thing I need help with there. | 08:29 |
| diablo_rojo | Anything else here? | 08:30 |
| gmann | nothing from me | 08:30 |
| ianychoi | nope from me | 08:31 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic Open Discussion | 08:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: fc_Sig)" | 08:31 | |
| diablo_rojo | I don't have much else right now. Sounds like we basically all have one todo though so thats nice :) | 08:31 |
| diablo_rojo | Let's see if we can get them done by next meeting. | 08:31 |
| diablo_rojo | Oh, | 08:32 |
| diablo_rojo | next week I will be in Korea | 08:32 |
| ianychoi | diablo_rojo, really welcome! :) | 08:32 |
| gmann | nice | 08:32 |
| diablo_rojo | So...we can maybe do the meeting..? Not sure if I will be busy during the meeting. Might not be able to host- just attend. | 08:32 |
| diablo_rojo | Or we can skip next week and pick up the following week. | 08:32 |
| gmann | i am ok to skip i think. | 08:33 |
| diablo_rojo | I think it would be fine. Just don't want to go too many weeks without having one to slow process of moving forward. | 08:34 |
| diablo_rojo | But we had one this week | 08:34 |
| diablo_rojo | and can in two weeks so we should be okay | 08:34 |
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| diablo_rojo | Okay, I think that's all I had. | 08:34 |
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| diablo_rojo | Anything else from anyone? | 08:34 |
| gmann | nope. | 08:35 |
| ianychoi | Nope :) | 08:35 |
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| * diablo_rojo can get ~6.5 hours of sleep if she goes to sleep now | 08:35 | |
| diablo_rojo | Alright. Have a good week everyone! Good luck with your todo's! | 08:36 |
| cmurphy | o7 | 08:36 |
| diablo_rojo | #endmeeting | 08:36 |
| gmann | thanks diablo_rojo for chairing | 08:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 20 08:36:24 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fc_sig/2018/fc_sig.2018-06-20-08.00.html | 08:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fc_sig/2018/fc_sig.2018-06-20-08.00.txt | 08:36 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fc_sig/2018/fc_sig.2018-06-20-08.00.log.html | 08:36 |
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| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-sig | 11:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 20 11:00:42 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 11:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 11:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: scientific-sig)" | 11:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_sig' | 11:00 |
| oneswig | Hi there | 11:00 |
| janders | hey Stig :) | 11:01 |
| oneswig | #link Agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_SIG#IRC_Meeting_June_20th_2018 | 11:01 |
| oneswig | Hey janders, good evening | 11:01 |
| priteau | Hi everyone! | 11:01 |
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| janders | ceph-RDMA! looking forward to the discussion :) | 11:01 |
| oneswig | Greetings priteau! | 11:01 |
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| oneswig | janders: have you got experience of this? | 11:01 |
| janders | oneswig: not yet, but it's an area of strong interest | 11:02 |
| oneswig | Would be a good fit in your place, perhaps... | 11:02 |
| oneswig | How's the production roll-out going? | 11:02 |
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| janders | indeed! :) | 11:02 |
| martial__ | Good day | 11:02 |
| oneswig | Morning martial__! | 11:03 |
| oneswig | #chair martial__ | 11:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: martial__ oneswig | 11:03 |
| priteau | Good morning martial__ | 11:03 |
| oneswig | up early again | 11:03 |
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| oneswig | OK we must give apologies in advance that this meeting might not run the full hour | 11:03 |
| martial__ | but only able to stay for 20 minutes or so | 11:03 |
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| janders | oneswig: making progress - multirail issues are better understood now. Working on adding some virtualisation capability for the bits that don't need bare-metal. | 11:04 |
| b1airo | o/ | 11:04 |
| oneswig | Hey b1airo | 11:04 |
| oneswig | #chair b1airo | 11:04 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b1airo martial__ oneswig | 11:04 |
| janders | Hey Blair | 11:04 |
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| b1airo | how goes it? | 11:04 |
| oneswig | We should make the most and get cracking | 11:04 |
| janders | indeed! | 11:04 |
| oneswig | #topic DockerCon roundup | 11:04 |
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| oneswig | martial__ has been on the road... | 11:04 |
| oneswig | How was it? | 11:04 |
| martial__ | I have indeed been doing the rounds :) | 11:04 |
| martial__ | well it was Dockercon sponsors Kubernetes conference | 11:05 |
| martial__ | most of the talks were about using K8s with Docker | 11:05 |
| b1airo | yeah, before i fall asleep and drool on my laptop | 11:05 |
| martial__ | very good conversation indeed | 11:05 |
| oneswig | there was an AI/HPC session, right? | 11:05 |
| martial__ | the talk by Christine Lovett and Christian Kniep (who presented here) was the HPC talk | 11:06 |
| martial__ | their slides/video is not available yet | 11:06 |
| oneswig | man, these 2-bit conferences :-) | 11:06 |
| martial__ | but it talked about the future of Docker | 11:06 |
| b1airo | lol | 11:06 |
| b1airo | no fntech i guess | 11:07 |
| martial__ | #link https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6413174151317590016 | 11:07 |
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| martial__ | the above link is a post I did that gives you a few of the pictures of that presentation | 11:07 |
| martial__ | There was also a very interesting talk about ML | 11:07 |
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| martial__ | #link https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6413098707868221440 | 11:08 |
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| martial__ | by two Microsoft people, looks of interesting technology presented there | 11:08 |
| janders | have NVIDIA presented anything on their DGX1/docker stack? | 11:09 |
| martial__ | and then there was a "Black Belt" talk on orchestration | 11:09 |
| martial__ | #link https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6412796018143821824 | 11:09 |
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| martial__ | very interesting on the context but still not ready for HPC usage | 11:10 |
| oneswig | Interesting claim on your slides Martial "no integration with upstream ecosystem" ... that overlooks all the Docker composition tools | 11:10 |
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| oneswig | sorry - correction - your photo of their slides :-) | 11:10 |
| martial__ | no Nvidia that I could say | 11:10 |
| martial__ | see | 11:10 |
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| martial__ | yes Christian want to make a clear distinction with true HPC usage | 11:11 |
| martial__ | among the cool stuff I saw: | 11:11 |
| oneswig | martial__: were there many OpenStack / HPC folks there? | 11:11 |
| martial__ | Helm and openwhisk are two other popular topics of conversation | 11:12 |
| oneswig | openwhisk? What's that | 11:12 |
| martial__ | (oneswig a few, that fellow from Sandia and Chris Hoge) | 11:12 |
| priteau | Lambdas right? | 11:13 |
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| martial__ | Dotmesh | 11:13 |
| martial__ | There was a demo of this live debugging service (squash and more) and it seems powerful https://www.solo.io (and on github) | 11:13 |
| oneswig | dotmesh - I know the founder, is the technology an evolution of the work they did with stateful containers at ClusterHQ? | 11:13 |
| martial__ | Calico https://www.projectcalico.org/getting-started/docker/ | 11:14 |
| martial__ | Helm https://helm.sh | 11:14 |
| martial__ | Prometheus https://prometheus.io | 11:14 |
| martial__ | Istio https://istio.io | 11:14 |
| martial__ | Jaeger https://github.com/jaegertracing/jaeger | 11:14 |
| martial__ | and For istio https://github.com/IBM/istio101 | 11:14 |
| martial__ | openwhisk https://openwhisk.apache.org/ | 11:15 |
| martial__ | pierre: yes like Amazon Lambda | 11:15 |
| martial__ | a lot of serverless conversation | 11:15 |
| martial__ | oneswig: exactly | 11:16 |
| oneswig | Without too much irony, OpenStack would benefit from a method for resilient event-driven function processing. Would save all this polling | 11:16 |
| martial__ | oneswig: although I think they discussed it being a continuation of the work started a year ago | 11:16 |
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| oneswig | Be interesting to hear more about how it is being used. | 11:17 |
| priteau | Is there talk of using serverless more in HPC use cases, or is it still mainly for web services? | 11:17 |
| martial__ | and that is it for my report from DockerCon ... talks and slides are said to be available soon | 11:17 |
| martial__ | just how soon is not clear | 11:17 |
| oneswig | OK, we're on a shorter session today, should we move on? Thanks martial__ | 11:18 |
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| b1airo | oneswig: isn't that what Mistral is for? | 11:18 |
| martial__ | oneswig: 👍 | 11:18 |
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| janders | Ceph-RDMA! :) | 11:19 |
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| oneswig | b1airo: perhaps it is. Never seems to make things faster though. | 11:19 |
| oneswig | #topic Ceph-RDMA update | 11:19 |
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| oneswig | you ask, we give :-) | 11:19 |
| oneswig | OK, so I wanted to follow up on the digging I've been doing on this subject since Vancouver. | 11:19 |
| oneswig | I came away from there with a few new areas of activity which I've (briefly) explored) | 11:20 |
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| oneswig | First up - anyone here used RDMA with Ceph? | 11:20 |
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| b1airo | the closest i've come is testing RoCE between OSD nodes | 11:21 |
| b1airo | but not with actual OSD traffic | 11:21 |
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| oneswig | OK, so the way it works is to implement a derivation of Ceph's async messenger classes | 11:21 |
| oneswig | There are currently two competing implementations | 11:22 |
| janders | I haven't. Last time I checked (a while ago) it was experimental and used accelio | 11:22 |
| oneswig | One from XSky in China that builds on IB verbs directly | 11:22 |
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| oneswig | A new one from Mellanox that uses a userspace messaging library called UCX | 11:22 |
| oneswig | Which sounds in overall pitch a lot like Accelio | 11:22 |
| oneswig | The XSky project has been running for probably a couple of years | 11:23 |
| oneswig | I have the privilege right now of 3 different systems to test on: RoCE, IB and OPA. | 11:23 |
| oneswig | It only works on RoCE. | 11:23 |
| janders | from a quick look it seems UCX replaced Accelio | 11:23 |
| janders | http://www.mellanox.com/page/products_dyn?product_family=79&mtag=roceThe | 11:24 |
| oneswig | janders: that would make sense. This is the repo: http://www.openucx.org/ | 11:24 |
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| oneswig | The async+ucx messenger is a separate implementation from async+rdma | 11:25 |
| oneswig | It's still being actively developed but there is code available | 11:25 |
| oneswig | https://github.com/Mellanox/ceph/tree/vasily-ucx | 11:25 |
| oneswig | Unfortunately, it uses a new API for UCX that is not yet upstream, but may be "in a few weeks" | 11:26 |
| oneswig | So we cannot test this code yet, unfortunately. | 11:26 |
| martial__ | (need to get going guys, sorry) | 11:27 |
| b1airo | see ya martial__ | 11:27 |
| oneswig | martial__: thanks! | 11:27 |
| janders | do you have any experience benchmarking "vanilla" ceph vs RDMA/ceph implementations? | 11:27 |
| oneswig | janders: a bit, not enough yet. | 11:27 |
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| janders | I'm curious about 1) throughput 2) CPU utilisation | 11:27 |
| oneswig | I'm working on a third way - there's a branch from Intel in China | 11:27 |
| oneswig | https://github.com/tanghaodong25/ceph | 11:28 |
| oneswig | This adds iWARP support (which I don't care about) and RDMA-CM support (which *should* enable me to use IB and OPA) | 11:28 |
| oneswig | I'm working on that right now. | 11:28 |
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| oneswig | So for testing, what I've seen is that people typically get performance by enabling busy polling, which totally obliterates the efficiency claims. But if that's not enabled, it should (in theory) do better | 11:29 |
| oneswig | Anyone used memstore for testing? | 11:29 |
| b1airo | RDMA-CM sounds like it is probably the most logical and sustainable option | 11:29 |
| janders | iWARP.. is that long-range RDMA that can be carried over commodity networks (eg Internet)? | 11:29 |
| oneswig | It's RDMA over TCP, so it's routable. | 11:30 |
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| b1airo | oneswig: UDP actually i think? | 11:30 |
| oneswig | Was a side-note in history (NetEffect, remember them?), but Intel has revived it | 11:30 |
| b1airo | oh sorry, i was meaning RoCE v2 | 11:30 |
| oneswig | Apparently it now comes on-board on Intel Purley platforms | 11:30 |
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| janders | UDP sounds about right, but it's been a while since I looked into that | 11:30 |
| oneswig | b1airo: could be, I thought TCP but am probably wrong | 11:30 |
| b1airo | janders: RoCE v2 is routable too | 11:31 |
| janders | do Mellanox call RoCEv2 RROCE? | 11:31 |
| janders | (Routable ROCE) | 11:31 |
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| oneswig | Could lead to hilarity in mispronunciation attempts... | 11:31 |
| b1airo | no you're right oneswig, iWARP is TCP - i was getting ahead of myself | 11:32 |
| b1airo | janders: yes sometimes | 11:32 |
| oneswig | janders: in terms of performance I have a specific issue to face | 11:32 |
| oneswig | If I can avoid using IPoIB, I'm expecting a huge boost for free, which kind of distorts the uplift | 11:33 |
| oneswig | I'm also experimenting with Mimic but the ceph-volume preparation keeps hanging for some reason. | 11:33 |
| oneswig | Anyone see that? This is with the CentOS packages | 11:34 |
| b1airo | ceph-volume does seem a little buggy still, early days | 11:34 |
| oneswig | Probably an answer to be found on the ceph mailing list | 11:35 |
| b1airo | oneswig: so did you get any tests working? | 11:35 |
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| oneswig | Only RoCE so far, and that's old data - just picking up these new pieces of work now | 11:35 |
| b1airo | would you expect much of a difference with the other connection management options? | 11:36 |
| oneswig | The RoCE system was I/O bound, not network bound, so it didn't make masses of difference | 11:36 |
| janders | oneswig: regarding hangs, it's not anywhere a "gathering keys" step, is it? | 11:36 |
| oneswig | The connection management is an enabler, that's all | 11:36 |
| oneswig | Without it, the parameters seem to be all wrong | 11:36 |
| oneswig | janders: not in this instance. | 11:37 |
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| oneswig | The nodes are running ceph-disk or ceph-volume, but not making any progress | 11:37 |
| oneswig | Well, I'll keep plugging on that. | 11:38 |
| oneswig | janders: you're using BeeGFS, right? | 11:38 |
| oneswig | Or was it Lustre? | 11:38 |
| janders | it'll be BeeGFS - we don't have it yet, kit is ordered and in flight | 11:38 |
| janders | we do have some GPFS too | 11:39 |
| janders | no Lustre | 11:39 |
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| oneswig | Excellent - been hearing some good things on BeeGFS | 11:39 |
| janders | this is a little off topic, but given you mentioned IPoIB - do you have any experience running software vxlan over IPoIB? | 11:39 |
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| oneswig | I think the summary on Ceph-RDMA is still "watch this space". | 11:39 |
| janders | I'm not after outstanding performance (SRIOV will cover this part), more after flexibility | 11:39 |
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| oneswig | I keep getting reminded to get our BeeGFS playbooks into better shape so they are respectable | 11:40 |
| b1airo | i don't janders , but i would expect it to work given both are L3 | 11:40 |
| oneswig | One of these days... | 11:40 |
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| oneswig | Ah - VXLAN - just saw that. What's the use case? | 11:41 |
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| janders | a bit of virtualised capacity on the baremetal cloud | 11:41 |
| oneswig | It might have a better chance of working with the kernel module than with (say) OVS | 11:41 |
| janders | without adding an extra ethernet fabric | 11:42 |
| janders | (if it was mostly KVM w/o SRIOV, I'd probably go with Mellanox ethernet + vxlan offload) | 11:42 |
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| b1airo | yeah i was thinking kernel too | 11:43 |
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| janders | noted! thanks guys | 11:44 |
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| oneswig | janders: the mix of bare metal + virt is interesting to us, can you come back some time and tell us how your solution's working out? | 11:44 |
| janders | oneswig: sure! :) | 11:45 |
| janders | will do | 11:45 |
| oneswig | b1airo: we should wrap up given your timing | 11:45 |
| oneswig | #topic AOB | 11:45 |
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| oneswig | not that we've rigidly kept to topic thus far. | 11:46 |
| oneswig | Any other news? | 11:46 |
| janders | maybe just quickly as this was missed last week | 11:46 |
| b1airo | on the Ceph note, anyone seen any material comparing bluestore with rocksdb metadata.db on ssd/flash versus using underlying block-caching layer and presenting a single cached device to bluestore ? | 11:46 |
| janders | focus areas for the cycle | 11:46 |
| janders | I propose: spot instances | 11:46 |
| janders | (I think I saw Belmiro joining :) | 11:46 |
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| b1airo | there were a couple of presentations from the Beijing Cephalocon, but they are in Chinese and no slidedecks published | 11:47 |
| oneswig | b1airo: got a link? | 11:47 |
| oneswig | ah | 11:47 |
| b1airo | i'm after a link! :-) | 11:47 |
| oneswig | janders: spot instances - agreed - we are after this too | 11:47 |
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| oneswig | The "missing link" for us is how to do it nicely at the platform level | 11:48 |
| janders | oneswig: I think we need spot instances + clever chargeback to make sure resources are used efficiently | 11:48 |
| oneswig | Totally, that's how we see it too. | 11:48 |
| oneswig | Anyone going to ISC next week? | 11:49 |
| janders | otherwise - people will either hog resources, or there'll be a lot of unused capacity that ain't good either | 11:49 |
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| janders | I was supposed to, but ended up not going - too much work | 11:49 |
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| daveholland | Pete is going for Sanger | 11:49 |
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| oneswig | John T will be there for us, I'm going to HPCKP (tomorrow) instead | 11:50 |
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| janders | it'll be interesting to hear more about the new Summit machine | 11:50 |
| janders | that's a few more Volta GPUs than we have... :) | 11:50 |
| b1airo | indeed! | 11:51 |
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| b1airo | i just got some quotes with the new 32GB V100 variants | 11:51 |
| janders | how will you run 'em? baremetal? vGPU? | 11:52 |
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| b1airo | passthrough mostly i think | 11:53 |
| b1airo | probably make these ones the new compute hosts and use some of the existing 16GB fleet for vGPU (desktop nodes in the cluster service) | 11:54 |
| janders | makes sense! | 11:54 |
| b1airo | on the GPU topic, i've been trying to do some multi-gpu profiling and getting gpudirect running within KVM, have overcome some minor issues but no major result comparisons to share yet | 11:55 |
| oneswig | Ah, too bad. Would be great to know the state of the art while you're still able to | 11:55 |
| b1airo | if i get it together i'll post it back to the lists as a follow up to jon from csail@mit | 11:55 |
| oneswig | Sounds good. | 11:56 |
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| b1airo | i need to grab one of the hosts we have that supports gpu p2p and try the experimental qemu gpu clique support. the host i've reserved at the moment only has two P100s on different root complexes. rubbish ;-) | 11:57 |
| janders | P100s... can't work with that... ;) | 11:58 |
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| oneswig | OK - anything more to add? | 11:58 |
| janders | I'm good - thank you guys! | 11:59 |
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| janders | oneswig: I will keep you posted on virt+ironic mix, | 11:59 |
| oneswig | Same here - thanks everyone | 11:59 |
| oneswig | janders: please do, sounds interesting | 11:59 |
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| janders | should have some data in the coming weeks | 11:59 |
| b1airo | https://ardc.edu.au/ | 12:00 |
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| oneswig | b1airo: NeCTAR-NG? | 12:00 |
| b1airo | yep. 5 yr NCRIS roadmap looks to be funded reasonably well - $60m odd for capex that isn't peak hpc | 12:01 |
| janders | cool! | 12:01 |
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| oneswig | Wow, sounds good | 12:01 |
| oneswig | OK, gotta close the meeting | 12:01 |
| oneswig | bon voyage b1airo! | 12:01 |
| b1airo | night gents | 12:01 |
| janders | night | 12:02 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 12:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 20 12:02:03 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-06-20-11.00.html | 12:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-06-20-11.00.txt | 12:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-06-20-11.00.log.html | 12:02 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 20 16:00:12 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | #topic roll call | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-queens-meeting-agendas | 16:00 |
| *** smcginnis is now known as swampboys | 16:00 | |
| swampboys | o/ | 16:01 |
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| erlon_ | hey | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | ping DuncanT diablo_rojo, diablo_rojo_phon, rajinir tbarron xyang xyang1 e0ne gouthamr thingee erlon tpsilva patrickeast tommylikehu eharney geguileo smcginnis lhx_ lhx__ aspiers jgriffith moshele hwalsh felipemonteiro lpetrut lseki _alastor_ | 16:01 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:01 |
| walshh | Hi | 16:01 |
| geguileo | hi! o/ | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:02 | |
| smcginnis | #info No meeting Wednesday 7/4 due to US Independence Day. | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj let me know he plans on cancelling the meeting for the US holiday week. | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | Many US-based folks are on vacation around that time, so probably good. | 16:03 |
| geguileo | sounds like a good idea | 16:03 |
| gouthamr | o/ | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | We can always discuss anything important that comes up in the cinder channel, but hopefully it is a quiet week. | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | That's all I really had for announcements. Anyone know if I'm missing anything important to share? | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | #topic Rocky Priorities Review | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Rocky Priorities Review (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:04 | |
| erlon_ | what happened with the agenda? I had something there, not finding it now | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | erlon_: I still see one with your name on it. | 16:04 |
| erlon_ | smcginnis, ok, might be missing something here | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | erlon_: Feel free to add something if it's missing. | 16:05 |
| erlon_ | sure | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | In addition to the cycle priorities linked above, there's also the bugsmash event happening in Beijing. | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenSource-Hackathon-Rocky-Beijing-Bugs-List | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | Participants are putting links to their reviews there. | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | If we can help review those and make that event productive, I'm sure it would be appreciated and would help us knock out a few bugs. | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | #topic Check-in on HA development progress | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Check-in on HA development progress (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:06 | |
| * smcginnis shines spotlight on geguileo | 16:06 | |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:06 |
| rajinir | o/ | 16:06 |
| geguileo | crickets, crickets... | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | Any updates on that topic geguileo? | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | Hah! | 16:07 |
| geguileo | no, sorry | 16:07 |
| geguileo | will try to finish the document this week | 16:07 |
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| smcginnis | I forget, are there any patches up related to that? | 16:07 |
| geguileo | there's one that's being reviewed | 16:07 |
| geguileo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/571242/ | 16:08 |
| patchbot | patch 571242 - cinder - WIP: Write high availability devref | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | OK, perfect. | 16:08 |
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| smcginnis | Feel free to review and give feedback even though it's still WIP ^^ | 16:08 |
| geguileo | will try to give it another push to move it out of WIP | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: Great, thanks for your work on that. | 16:08 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Allowing drivers to save metadata from driver side | 16:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Allowing drivers to save metadata from driver side (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:09 | |
| smcginnis | erlon_, walshh: This is yours I believe. | 16:09 |
| walshh | Yes | 16:09 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557448/ | 16:09 |
| patchbot | patch 557448 - cinder - VMAX driver - Add VMAX specific metadata to volume | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/567473 | 16:10 |
| patchbot | patch 567473 - cinder - Cloning image fails results duplicate cache entry (MERGED) | 16:10 |
| erlon_ | yep, walshh wanna drive it? | 16:10 |
| walshh | There is no way to update model for extend, attach and detach | 16:10 |
| walshh | there is no model_update returned from those operations | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | I could maybe see extend, but what is needed for attach/detach? | 16:10 |
| walshh | vmax metadate | 16:10 |
| walshh | metadata* | 16:10 |
| walshh | storage groups, masking views etc | 16:11 |
| erlon_ | walshh, so you would need updates on all volume operations | 16:11 |
| geguileo | isn't that something that can be queried when needed? | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | That doesn't really seem like stuff that should be kept in the cinder database. | 16:11 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: +1 | 16:11 |
| walshh | its not a case of having to | 16:11 |
| walshh | but it would be great if we could | 16:12 |
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| erlon_ | walshh, I really want convinced that we should pput that in the database | 16:12 |
| geguileo | walshh: is that to avoid a couple of extra calls on other driver operations? | 16:12 |
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| walshh | it was an initiative led by QE | 16:12 |
| erlon_ | walshh, most of it or all are only debug information right? | 16:12 |
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| smcginnis | If there's a good reason to be able to, we can probably add model updates for those. But it doesn't seem like it should be necessary. | 16:12 |
| walshh | they found it difficult tracing the path of the volume | 16:12 |
| erlon_ | walshh, QE? | 16:12 |
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| walshh | our test group | 16:13 |
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| geguileo | walshh: but that should traced using the req ids, right? | 16:13 |
| erlon_ | walshh, may be printing more debug message on the driver side? | 16:13 |
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| walshh | this feature would make it easier for them | 16:14 |
| walshh | one stop shop so to speak | 16:14 |
| walshh | it would be great if we could persist it but I guess we could just log it also | 16:14 |
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| erlon_ | walshh, yeap, given the changes that would require from Cinder side, it would be the way Id recommend to go | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | If it's for the test group, maybe they can apply a local patch to enable things for their testing needs. | 16:15 |
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| smcginnis | Otherwise, I don't think Cinder is the place for that. | 16:15 |
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| geguileo | smcginnis: +1 | 16:16 |
| geguileo | walshh: I think Sean's idea could be easily implemented | 16:16 |
| geguileo | as a "debug" driver kind of thing | 16:16 |
| walshh | if we cant do a direct update then I concede, I dont expect an interface change | 16:16 |
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| geguileo | walshh: you "can" do a direct change, though we shouldn't allow it ;-) | 16:17 |
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| smcginnis | :) | 16:17 |
| walshh | yes, it works quite well :-) | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | walshh: Is it OK if I move on then? | 16:18 |
| walshh | I will just log the information instead | 16:18 |
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| smcginnis | Thanks, that would be the preference for this type of thing. | 16:18 |
| walshh | sure....thanks for your time on this | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | walshh: If they are interested in a debug/test patch, feel free to ask in the channel if any questions come up. | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | walshh: Thanks! | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | #topic Storyboard Update | 16:19 |
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| smcginnis | So background for anyone that missed prior discussions... | 16:19 |
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| smcginnis | There's more talk of moving off of launchpad to StoryBoard. | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | It being something we kind of control and have the ability to customize and link in with a common auth provider. | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | And hopefully a little easier to interact with. | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | A test migration has been done: | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | #link https://storyboard-dev.openstack.org/#!/project_group/55 | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | Please poke around and see how things work if you have not interacted with SB yet. | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | Jay plans on trying a few things out and documenting usage. | 16:21 |
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| smcginnis | There are things like being able to create Trello/Kanban style boards to track work. | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | That looks interesting, but I think at least at first it will take some fiddling to get things set up how we might want it. | 16:21 |
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| e0ne | smcginnis: +1 | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | It definitely has a bit of a learning curve, but I've heard once you start to understand the model it's kind of nice. | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | There are also definitely some bugs with SB yet, so if you see anything wrong, please do file bugs against any issues for openstack/storyboard in https://storyboard.openstack.org/ | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | Not too much to say about it other than that at this point. | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | Hopefully jungleboyj will have some things documented with it and we can get more details in the near future. | 16:24 |
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| smcginnis | If anyone does have questions about its usage, I think you can probably ask in #openstack-dev or #openstack-infra to get some help for now. | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | And I think there is some online documentation. | 16:26 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Open Discussion | 16:27 |
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| smcginnis | Anything else to talk about today? | 16:27 |
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| geguileo | crickets, crickets... | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:28 |
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| smcginnis | OK, we can wrap up early then. | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | Thanks everyone! | 16:28 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: thanks for leading the meeting today :-) | 16:28 |
| gman-tx | +1 | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | I think you're stuck with me for one or two more, then Jay should be back. :D | 16:28 |
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| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 16:28 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 20 16:28:49 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-06-20-16.00.html | 16:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-06-20-16.00.txt | 16:28 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-06-20-16.00.log.html | 16:28 |
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| SotK | #startmeeting storyboard | 19:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 20 19:03:05 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 19:03 |
| SotK | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard#Agenda_for_next_meeting Agenda | 19:03 |
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| SotK | #topic Announcements | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:04 | |
| SotK | the API SIG migrated! | 19:04 |
| SotK | #topic Migration Updates | 19:06 |
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| SotK | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/board/45 Progress Board | 19:07 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | IRC on lappy disconnected without me noticing | 19:10 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | Here :) | 19:11 |
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| diablo_rojo | There we go | 19:12 |
| diablo_rojo | Vitrage will be migrating Friday | 19:12 |
| diablo_rojo | the project config change patch is already up and ifat already +1ed | 19:12 |
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| SotK | nice! | 19:13 |
| diablo_rojo | Yep! | 19:13 |
| diablo_rojo | I feel like Manila is right around the corner | 19:13 |
| diablo_rojo | and if we can get that one patch of mine updating the private description.. | 19:14 |
| diablo_rojo | we could probably have glance too | 19:14 |
| * diablo_rojo nudges SotK | 19:14 | |
| SotK | heh, I guess its about time to merge that | 19:14 |
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| * SotK +A's | 19:15 | |
| diablo_rojo | YAY! | 19:15 |
| diablo_rojo | Thank you :) | 19:15 |
| SotK | np :) | 19:16 |
| SotK | have you heard anything about how the test migration has worked out for Cinder/Manila? | 19:16 |
| diablo_rojo | I can reach out to Glance then and see if they are up for migrating in the next week or so. | 19:16 |
| diablo_rojo | Not since I sent them links to their project groups in the dev instancce | 19:17 |
| diablo_rojo | I think they are off exploring and figuring things out before migrating | 19:17 |
| SotK | makes sense | 19:17 |
| tbarron | SotK: diablo_rojo: I don't think anyone has tried it in manila but myself and I've had very limited bandwidth | 19:17 |
| diablo_rojo | Oh. I also talked to TripleO a bit and it sounds like they havent had time to update their tooling yet. | 19:17 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: Correct | 19:17 |
| diablo_rojo | tbarron, seems to be a common theme | 19:17 |
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| diablo_rojo | I wish we all had more time :) | 19:18 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello fatema__ :) | 19:18 |
| tbarron | SotK: diablo_rojo: I'd need to build a lot of launchpad-like higher level stuff before they'll get on board | 19:18 |
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| tbarron | SotK: diablo_rojo: even if later on we decide that's not the best way to go forwards | 19:18 |
| tbarron | SotK: diablo_rojo: they want to see launchpad priorities, etc. | 19:18 |
| fatema__ | Hello, diablo_rojo xD | 19:18 |
| diablo_rojo | tbarron, there are definitely mental hurdles that take people time to get past. Theres a lot more freedom in sb and its scary to a lot of people. | 19:19 |
| tbarron | SotK: diablo_rojo: fungi gave me lots of good tips, the problem is that my weekend and nights are full of other extra jobs already | 19:19 |
| diablo_rojo | tbarron, you and me both :) | 19:19 |
| tbarron | diablo_rojo: it's a lower level tool than launchpad | 19:19 |
| tbarron | that's a virtue and a challenge | 19:19 |
| diablo_rojo | tbarron, I like the freedom and flexibility and that we can change things as we see fit :) | 19:20 |
| tbarron | because we have to build higher-level stuff that will make it seem a useful replacement | 19:20 |
| diablo_rojo | The prospect of getting rid of ubuntuOne isnt bad either. | 19:20 |
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| tbarron | they don't want the flexibility right now because they have other jobs to do and are used to LP | 19:20 |
| diablo_rojo | And you get to do that to fit your teams workstyles. | 19:20 |
| tbarron | with its warts | 19:20 |
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| diablo_rojo | Yeah. I get that. | 19:20 |
| tbarron | I'm convinced that the flexibility is worth it. We use trello downstream effectively and I'd like to do similar things upstream. | 19:20 |
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| tbarron | But it's a tough sell. | 19:21 |
| diablo_rojo | I dont think you'll ever get everyone on board. | 19:21 |
| diablo_rojo | At a certain point you just gotta pull the trigger | 19:21 |
| tbarron | just giving candid report from where I sit; I want to move this ahead but it's going to take a bit. | 19:21 |
| tbarron | diablo_rojo: yah, but I'm just PTL, not autocrat :D | 19:21 |
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| tbarron | diablo_rojo: that said, I understand we may not have 100% consensus | 19:22 |
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| diablo_rojo | tbarron, no worries. You aren't the only one in this position. | 19:22 |
| diablo_rojo | And we still have other projects migrating in the meantime. | 19:22 |
| fungi | oh, hi. i lost track of time (again!) | 19:22 |
| * fungi sighs | 19:22 | |
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| diablo_rojo | fungi, no worries :) | 19:24 |
| fungi | tbarron: and no pressure. everybody's busy, we're not out to make more work for anyone ;) | 19:25 |
| fungi | projects can migrate to sb when they feel the time is right | 19:25 |
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| diablo_rojo | Yeah exactly. | 19:25 |
| diablo_rojo | Not concerned if you all need more time to get used to things. | 19:25 |
| SotK | +1 | 19:25 |
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| * SotK also has more work than is sensible and doesn't want to rush anyone | 19:26 | |
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| SotK | any more migration updates? | 19:26 |
| diablo_rojo | Um.. not at the moment I don't think | 19:27 |
| SotK | #topic In Progress Work | 19:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "In Progress Work (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:27 | |
| diablo_rojo | We got most of the MQTT things in I think? But there was one regression that we hit? | 19:28 |
| fungi | there's a bunch of storyboard-webclient changes up for review which look like really good candidates for me to review very soon | 19:28 |
| diablo_rojo | Have we looked into that more yet? | 19:28 |
| fungi | yeah the mqtt patches were reverted for now | 19:28 |
| * diablo_rojo has webclient reviews on her todolist | 19:28 | |
| fungi | there was some strange side effect with database locks | 19:28 |
| fungi | mtreinish had a theory i think but not sure if he's had time to dig deeper | 19:28 |
| SotK | yeah we should merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/548202/ at least | 19:29 |
| patchbot | patch 548202 - openstack-infra/storyboard-webclient - Fix syntax highlighting | 19:29 |
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| fungi | approved | 19:29 |
| fungi | you had already +2'd it diablo_rojo | 19:30 |
| SotK | thanks! | 19:30 |
| fungi | it's simple enough and already tested | 19:30 |
| diablo_rojo | Lol | 19:30 |
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| diablo_rojo | Oh yeah fungi can you review/merge SotK's URLs patches | 19:30 |
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| SotK | heh, I was just typing the same | 19:30 |
| diablo_rojo | Heh :) | 19:31 |
| fungi | i've starred those and will take a look | 19:32 |
| SotK | thanks fungi | 19:32 |
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| SotK | anything else in progress folk want to mention? | 19:33 |
| diablo_rojo | Thanks fungi :) Sorry to keep asksing you for things. | 19:33 |
| diablo_rojo | I should have docs changes by Friday | 19:33 |
| diablo_rojo | please take a look at those when they come out | 19:33 |
| diablo_rojo | I know they still technically are more related to the webclient | 19:34 |
| diablo_rojo | but we need something out there to give people when they wanna get upset about not understanding how things work | 19:34 |
| * SotK will look at them when you send them | 19:34 | |
| fungi | diablo_rojo: i too am sorry you have to keep asking me to review stuff. i never get around to doing as much code review as i would like | 19:35 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, if its any consolation...I definitely don't either. | 19:35 |
| SotK | you both do more than me :) | 19:36 |
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| fungi | i doubt it, we just get to do more of it here | 19:37 |
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| SotK | heh, maybe true | 19:37 |
| diablo_rojo | You've done a lot more work historically than fungi and I combined I would guess | 19:37 |
| fungi | i feel like i spend most of my days writing e-mail, to be honest | 19:38 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, writing email and chasing people | 19:38 |
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| * diablo_rojo realizes we have a solid pity party going here | 19:39 | |
| * diablo_rojo breaks up the party | 19:39 | |
| SotK | :) | 19:39 |
| SotK | #topic Open Discussion | 19:39 |
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| diablo_rojo | I had added one other topic last min | 19:39 |
| diablo_rojo | to the agenda | 19:39 |
| diablo_rojo | Wiki Overhaul | 19:39 |
| SotK | #undo | 19:39 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #topic Open Discussion | 19:39 |
| SotK | #topic Wiki Overhaul | 19:39 |
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| diablo_rojo | Ha ha sorry :) | 19:39 |
| diablo_rojo | SO basically the wiki kinda makes it look like we havent done anything in 2 years.. | 19:40 |
| SotK | my bad for not refreshing to be sure | 19:40 |
| diablo_rojo | No worries :) | 19:40 |
| SotK | yeahhhh, we should fix that | 19:40 |
| diablo_rojo | I can work on that today. | 19:40 |
| diablo_rojo | Not sure what all we really want to live there besides links to docs | 19:40 |
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| diablo_rojo | I can go through and delete/reorganize with your blessing if thats cool | 19:41 |
| diablo_rojo | Also.. if we could get an updated db schema SotK that would be HUGE I think | 19:41 |
| SotK | I think probably just having links to docs and information on how to contribute and contact us is fine | 19:42 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah thats what I was thinking | 19:42 |
| diablo_rojo | The updated DB schema would be just a good reference to have elsewhere | 19:42 |
| * diablo_rojo was scrolling through wiki and was reminded | 19:42 | |
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| diablo_rojo | Doesn't need to live there persay | 19:42 |
| SotK | may as well be there for now I guess | 19:42 |
| SotK | I'll create an updated one | 19:43 |
| fungi | yeah, and don't put any dated information (e.g., meeting schedule) on the wiki, just link to other places where the relevant information lives | 19:43 |
| diablo_rojo | Thank you! I'll keep the old one till you make the new one. Will just shuffle around. . | 19:43 |
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| diablo_rojo | fungi, yup | 19:43 |
| diablo_rojo | the Meetups in particular caused confusion the other day | 19:43 |
| diablo_rojo | people think that cause there hasnt been one- sb isnt being developed anymore | 19:44 |
| SotK | it might be worth keeping the various design notes things somewhere as they offer a bit of perspective that has been useful to refer to at times, but they probably don't need to be so prominently linked | 19:44 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah I plan on reading through everything and refactoring rather than blatantly deleting :) | 19:46 |
| diablo_rojo | As good as that would feel ;) | 19:46 |
| fungi | sounds great | 19:46 |
| SotK | indeed, thanks diablo_rojo | 19:46 |
| diablo_rojo | So my todo's- make wiki better and make docs better | 19:46 |
| diablo_rojo | got it | 19:46 |
| diablo_rojo | and code reviews lol | 19:47 |
| diablo_rojo | already forgot | 19:47 |
| SotK | :) | 19:48 |
| SotK | #topic Open Discussion | 19:48 |
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| SotK | anything to discuss or shall we end the meeting early? | 19:49 |
| fungi | i've approved the url changes to sbwc now | 19:49 |
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| fungi | all looked great to me | 19:49 |
| SotK | nice, thanks | 19:50 |
| fungi | i'll double-check production here in a bit to make sure it's remained sane after that gets unfurled | 19:50 |
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| diablo_rojo | Awesome. | 19:51 |
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| diablo_rojo | That should clear up some more issues. | 19:51 |
| diablo_rojo | At some point we should circle back to the list of octavia concerns and make sure they are okay | 19:51 |
| diablo_rojo | fatema__, did you have anything you wanted to say on your work? | 19:52 |
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| fatema__ | well, I have been going through the code to figure out what to do and where exactly should be implemented | 19:53 |
| fatema__ | I don't really have something to say | 19:53 |
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| fatema__ | but some question marks maybe | 19:54 |
| fatema__ | and trying to find the questions to ask | 19:54 |
| diablo_rojo | fatema__, no worries :) You know where to find us when you figure out the questions :) | 19:54 |
| fungi | figuring out the right questions is usually harder than figuring out the answers to them ;) | 19:54 |
| fatema__ | diablo_rojo, is there something to be discussed here ? | 19:54 |
| fatema__ | fungi, it's also when to give up searching and start asking | 19:56 |
| diablo_rojo | fatema__, not if you don't have anything atm :) | 19:56 |
| diablo_rojo | Just wanted to make sure you had an opening :) | 19:56 |
| diablo_rojo | In case you had something :) | 19:56 |
| fatema__ | diablo_rojo, thanks ^^ | 19:57 |
| fatema__ | at the moment I'm still taking in | 19:57 |
| fatema__ | xD | 19:57 |
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| diablo_rojo | That's totally cool :) | 19:58 |
| diablo_rojo | I think that's all I had for this week | 19:58 |
| SotK | +1 | 19:59 |
| SotK | (to both sentiments) | 19:59 |
| SotK | thanks for your time everyone | 19:59 |
| SotK | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 20 19:59:58 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2018/storyboard.2018-06-20-19.03.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2018/storyboard.2018-06-20-19.03.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2018/storyboard.2018-06-20-19.03.log.html | 20:00 |
| fungi | thanks SotK! | 20:00 |
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| diablo_rojo | Thanks SotK!! | 20:01 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 20 21:00:10 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
| torgomatic_ | . | 21:00 |
| timburke | o/ | 21:00 |
| kota_ | hi | 21:00 |
| tdasilva | hi | 21:00 |
| clayg | o/ | 21:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:01 |
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| acoles | hi | 21:01 |
| notmyname | welcome, everyone. thanks for coming | 21:01 |
| notmyname | agenda, as always, is at | 21:01 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:01 |
| notmyname | only topic on the agenda is to discuss https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427911/ | 21:02 |
| patchbot | patch 427911 - swift - Replace MIME with PUT+POST for EC and Encryption | 21:02 |
| clayg | nice - short meeting | 21:02 |
| notmyname | clayg: let's see :-) | 21:02 |
| clayg | is zaitcev here tho? | 21:02 |
| rledisez | hi o/ | 21:02 |
| notmyname | acoles: this is something you wanted to bring up | 21:02 |
| zaitcev | o/ | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | acoles: and zaitcev are both here | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | acoles: you want to bring up the reason for it being on the agenda? | 21:03 |
| acoles | oh right | 21:03 |
| acoles | yes | 21:03 |
| zaitcev | well, there's not much to discuss today, then | 21:03 |
| zaitcev | I must apply acoles' comments | 21:03 |
| acoles | well, really it was just to discuss if we could move this forwards - and who hs the time available to do that | 21:04 |
| zaitcev | or, actually, squash the patch 575512 | 21:04 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/575512/ - swift - PUT+POST: simplify object server POST handler, oth... | 21:04 |
| acoles | zaitcev has made a great start, I've done some hacking and its passing func tests, but I think there's some more unit test work likely needed | 21:04 |
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| zaitcev | Kota promised another one, I have not seen his yet | 21:04 |
| zaitcev | brb | 21:05 |
| clayg | well I think we should make time, it's one of the higher items on my radar from a architecture stand point - technical investment required to unblock lots of awesome stuff | 21:05 |
| notmyname | clayg: +1 | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | do patches need to be squashed first? or should they land as a chain? | 21:06 |
| acoles | notmyname: in this case, squash - the parent doesn't pass tests | 21:06 |
| clayg | zaitcev: I'm pretty sure if kota_ does have time to review - he'd like to see the best foot forward with all of acoles stuff squashed - so doing some mechanical gerrit stuff is probably the very very next step | 21:06 |
| clayg | I also want to see acoles stuff squahed and then try to get it a once over - if there's unittest gaps I'm sure once it's loaded in my brain you'll get some more tests to squash | 21:07 |
| acoles | zaitcev: I'm keen to know if any of the simplifications I made actually broke something subtle that you were aware of? | 21:07 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: how do you feel about managing the squashing and updating of the patch? would you prefer to be the one to do that, or are you comfortable with someone else pushing over it with updates? | 21:07 |
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| acoles | also, I'd like to revisit the object server version detection, ideally I'd like to avoid the path mangling, and I have an idea how | 21:10 |
| notmyname | I thought zaitcev was looking for a patch. but I think he may have actually stepped away | 21:11 |
| mattoliverau | He did say brb.. a while ago | 21:11 |
| clayg | acoles: i'm interested if it's significantly better than the path mangling - i have to say as someone who has written a non-trivial amount of uncommited backend cleanup and inspecting/audit scripts - I'm a fan of a reasonably sane object-server api | 21:11 |
| clayg | e.g. I regret not making storage policy part of the path! | 21:12 |
| torgomatic_ | acoles: does your idea have room in it for an explicit version field for the next protocol change? | 21:12 |
| clayg | well, acoles how are you going to brain dump your idea for better than path mangling transparent upgrade? | 21:12 |
| acoles | clayg: best thing is if I write a patch! | 21:12 |
| clayg | torgomatic_: OMG yes please please please | 21:12 |
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| clayg | acoles: next best thing is to give the idea to someone who can write the patch | 21:13 |
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| acoles | torgomatic_: in the path? no. In headers, yes. | 21:13 |
| torgomatic_ | as long as it's in there somewhere :) | 21:13 |
| clayg | it's annoyingly difficult to find a middle ground between "sketch" to "working code" | 21:13 |
| clayg | as soon as you start to write it seems like "well, I might as well just write the code" - then next thing you know you're fixing unittests... | 21:14 |
| acoles | torgomatic_: clayg : its still a bit formative, I'm just flagging up that there's still some stuff I'd like to consider on the PUT+POST | 21:14 |
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| clayg | torgomatic_: have you looked at the PUT+POST path stuff? or do you remember it from Dublin? | 21:15 |
| acoles | clayg: yeah, like i have said before, tests are such an impediment to progress :P | 21:15 |
| zaitcev | notmyname: I meant to squash everything that comes, but if someone else is faster... | 21:15 |
| torgomatic_ | clayg: I've looked at it a little, but I'm kind of fuzzy on it | 21:15 |
| zaitcev | notmyname: should only take a day or two | 21:15 |
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| notmyname | zaitcev: ok | 21:16 |
| clayg | zaitcev: I don't think anyone *here*is complaining about YOUR pace - your turn-around time on getting reviews on that patch is mesured in #'s of hack-a-thons | 21:16 |
| clayg | :D | 21:16 |
| zaitcev | ok. So I proceed then... | 21:16 |
| clayg | mattoliverau: can sympathize - but OTOH!? did anyone mention that sharding is awesome!!!??? | 21:17 |
| clayg | notmyname: was just saying sharding is awesome... | 21:17 |
| clayg | not as awesome as mattoliverau - but still... pretty cool code | 21:17 |
| zaitcev | if sharding works, people will ask for sharded accounts eventually | 21:17 |
| clayg | zaitcev: job security! | 21:17 |
| zaitcev | brb again | 21:17 |
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| notmyname | oh yeah, as a footnote to sharding, we've got a customer that's already sharded a bunch of larger containers. it's going really well | 21:18 |
| clayg | woot woot! | 21:18 |
| mattoliverau | Aww ta, and yeah things can go slow, but then it's awesome when acoles, clayg and timburke get involved to polish into something really awesome | 21:18 |
| kota_ | cool | 21:18 |
| clayg | mattoliverau: it takes a village! | 21:18 |
| mattoliverau | Sweet | 21:18 |
| * clayg hugs | 21:19 | |
| notmyname | on the PUT+POST patch, acoles can you summarize the next few things that need to happen? | 21:19 |
| acoles | 1. assuming zaitcev approves, merge my follow up patches 2. I suspect more unit tests and/or modifying some to exercise the new protocol 3. possibly rethink the version discovery | 21:20 |
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| notmyname | that sounds like a lot, potentially | 21:21 |
| acoles | 4. review and merge!! | 21:21 |
| acoles | notmyname: item 2 could be quite a lot of churn , hard to know until we go there | 21:22 |
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| notmyname | ok | 21:22 |
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| notmyname | acoles is working on this. clayg you said you'd look, right? sounded like clayg wanted to rope torgomatic_ in too | 21:23 |
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| clayg | I'm *always* down to rope torgomatic_ into it | 21:23 |
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| acoles | we'll need to make some current unit tests conditional on proxy using old protocol, plus add new tests for new protocol :/ | 21:24 |
| clayg | I know I hate the current path mangling for the protocol thing - the problem is "working code wins" - if I had a better idea, I'd be tempted to write it up | 21:25 |
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| notmyname | torgomatic_: what are your thoughts on the matter? | 21:25 |
| clayg | my problem is a lack of a better idea - not motivation to write code that keeps us from getting stuck with the protocol I don't like | 21:25 |
| clayg | so a braindump from acoles might be useful to me | 21:26 |
| acoles | clayg: if you can hang around in -swift after the meeting I'll share my thoughts | 21:26 |
| acoles | like I said, they are formative (aka 'half-baked') | 21:26 |
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| clayg | acoles: I don't want to keep you up, would it be easier to organize your thoughts in a google doc async (maybe easier to share later as well) | 21:27 |
| torgomatic_ | the only way I thought to do it without the path mangling was different HTTP verbs, but I never did anything with that | 21:27 |
| mattoliverau | Gotta start somewhere :) | 21:27 |
| clayg | also, realistically we probably have "some time" | 21:27 |
| clayg | zaitcev: said he needs a couple of days just to squash | 21:27 |
| torgomatic_ | call PUT2, get 405 -> fall back, for example | 21:27 |
| acoles | clayg: ok, I'll write something down tomorrow | 21:27 |
| clayg | acoles: wfm - is it better than PUT2 (I like PUT2 only a little bit more than the akward path thing that's there now) | 21:28 |
| clayg | maybe I could add on my TODO to explain what's there now and zaitcev can correct any parts that are off | 21:28 |
| acoles | clayg: well, IDK, you can be the judge of that | 21:28 |
| notmyname | do we have other topics to discuss this week? | 21:29 |
| clayg | idk, PUT2 isn't so bad ... STAGE? idk... | 21:29 |
| clayg | notmyname: how long until Denver? | 21:30 |
| mattoliverau | 3 months | 21:30 |
| notmyname | september 10 | 21:30 |
| notmyname | thanks mattoliverau :-) | 21:30 |
| clayg | plenty of time :D | 21:30 |
| mattoliverau | It's kinda in my heat being the babies due date :p | 21:31 |
| mattoliverau | Head | 21:31 |
| notmyname | well I hope we have PUT+POST landed long before Denver | 21:31 |
| clayg | WFM! | 21:31 |
| tdasilva | grpc everything, just romain | 21:32 |
| tdasilva | ;) | 21:32 |
| kota_ | lol | 21:32 |
| notmyname | if we've got no other topics, then let's move deeper discussion back to -swift | 21:33 |
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| notmyname | thanks for your work on swift | 21:33 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:33 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 20 21:33:49 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-06-20-21.00.html | 21:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-06-20-21.00.txt | 21:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-06-20-21.00.log.html | 21:33 |
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