Wednesday, 2018-08-08

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mugsie#startmeeting Designate11:02
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mugsie#topic Roll Call11:03
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jungleboyj#startmeeting Cinder16:02
openstackMeeting started Wed Aug  8 16:02:41 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jungleboyj. Information about MeetBot at
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* jungleboyj started the meeting in the wrong room. That isn't a good start.16:03
xyangI was wondering about that :)16:03
jungleboyjBut if I can't ping, how many people will show up?16:04
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  ?16:04
jungleboyjWell, I guess I will get started and see if anyone else shows up.16:05
jungleboyjOh, you are here.  Sorry, I missed that.16:05
jungleboyjOk, so, weekly reminder to add topics to the PTG Planning Etherpad.16:06
jungleboyjtommylikehu: Got TSP for the PTG so he will be there which is good.16:06
jungleboyj#topic announcements16:07
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jungleboyjI will be cutting RC-1 today.  Doesn't look like there is really anything important pending.16:07
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  You concur?16:07
smcginnisjungleboyj: I'll take a quick look through, but I think we're probably as good as were going to get.16:08
jungleboyjOk, that was what I thought as well.16:08
jungleboyjI think that is all I had for announcements.16:09
jungleboyj#topic Rocky Priorities16:09
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jungleboyjNothing really to discuss here.16:09
jungleboyjI feel good about the progress we made towards our goals though.16:10
smcginnisjungleboyj: Did all of the unsupported driver patches make it through other than for fczm?16:10
jungleboyjI am working on putting together cycle highlights to go into releases.16:10
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  I think all the other ones did.16:10
smcginnisOK, good.16:10
jungleboyjYes, I just looked.16:11
jungleboyjThey all made it.16:11
jungleboyjSo, now I will work on getting things transitioned to Stein development.16:12
smcginnisWe might still need to do something about this, but I can't repro it yet -
openstackLaunchpad bug 1786054 in Cinder "Volume create schema validation not allowing extra params prior to enforcing microversion" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Sean McGinnis (sean-mcginnis)16:12
smcginnisI added unit tests trying to reproduce the issue, but they pass as expected.16:12
jungleboyjHmmm, interesting.16:14
smcginnisThat can be an RC2 though if it has to be.16:14
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  Ok.  Sounds good.  Don't want to miss RC deadline after missing M-3.16:15
smcginnisYep. :)16:15
jungleboyjAnything else?16:15
jungleboyjAs far as Rocky is concerned?16:16
jungleboyjOk ...16:16
smcginnisNothing from me so far.16:16
jungleboyj#topic HA Check in16:16
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jungleboyjWe got the devref in place.  Thank you to all who were able to help with that.16:17
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jungleboyjThat was all I had there.16:18
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  So, Phyton 3 goal for Stein.16:18
jungleboyj#Topic Python 3 Goal for Stein16:18
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smcginnisThat's one of the accepted goals for the stein cycle.16:20
smcginnisSo all things should run py3 unless they are explicitly testing py2.16:20
smcginnisBut one of the big things that came up with this is third party CI.16:21
smcginnisWe run py3 jobs in gate, but I believe most third party CI are still running with python 2.16:21
jungleboyjI would assume that is the case.16:21
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smcginnisEveryone should switch over to running py3 and we should track that status in the support matrix or somewhere that end consumers can reference to determine whether their backend of choice is known to work with py3 or not.16:22
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  The support matrix would be a good place to do that.16:22
smcginnisRight now it's just highly recommended, but eventually we will want to drop py2 support and will be more critical.16:23
smcginnis#link Py3 goal16:24
smcginnisMore details about the overall goal there. ^16:24
smcginnisI guess if there aren't any questions or concerns, that's all I have on that.16:26
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  Sounds good.  Know what Nova is planning to do for 3rd Party CI?16:26
smcginnisNot sure what they have now.16:26
smcginnisBut I believe tbarron and I were in agreement on this approach between cinder and manila at least.16:27
jungleboyjThat is good.16:27
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jungleboyjOk.  I think that is all we had on the agenda then.16:28
jungleboyj#topic Open Discussion16:28
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jungleboyjtbarron:  Thanks.16:28
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jungleboyjtbarron:  Manila is on board?16:28
jungleboyjtbarron:  Also, have you done anything more with Storyboard?16:29
tbarronyes, on board16:29
tbarronno more on storyboard16:29
jungleboyjOk, that was what I had expected.16:30
tbarronif they get attachment support then maybe we'll try to move ahead in the new cycle16:30
jungleboyjWell, is there anything else?16:31
smcginnisNothing from me.16:31
jungleboyjI think I may send an ML e-mail after this reminding people that I cannot ping anymore and that if they want to remember the meeting they need to put it on their calendar.16:32
jungleboyjAlso think I will add a discussion of Core participation at the PTG.16:32
jungleboyjIt is getting worse, not better.16:32
smcginnisI'm hoping at least part of it is just late summer vacations.16:33
* jungleboyj pictures me as the captain on the bridge of the Titanic as the water is breaking the windows16:33
smcginnisBetter start growing the beard.16:34
jungleboyjHa!  I can't pull that off.  :-)16:34
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jungleboyjOk.  So, lets call it a meeting.  Hopefully there will be more activity again as we get closer to the PTG.16:35
jungleboyjPlease, everyone, work on testing the RC once I cut it.16:35
jungleboyjHope we can avoid an RC-2, but better to get things fixed than not.16:36
smcginnisYeah, I don't think we've ever been able to avoid at least one more after RC1, so not the end of the world. But hopefully nothing critical.16:36
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  ++16:36
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  Is there anything else I need to do other than cut the RC?  I am guessing the answer is in your last Release e-mail.16:37
smcginnisThat should be it.16:38
smcginnisI think we want to also release cinder-tempest-plugin.16:38
jungleboyjOk.  I can do that as well.16:38
smcginnisOnward to stein then.16:38
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* jungleboyj is going to need a Stein16:38
smcginnisCan remove the procedural -2's from the new drivers too.16:39
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jungleboyjsmcginnis:  Will do.16:39
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jungleboyjThank you.16:40
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diablo_rojo#startmeeting storyboard19:05
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diablo_rojoHello people :)19:06
diablo_rojo#link Agenda19:06
diablo_rojoFor those that want to peruse :)19:06
diablo_rojoAnywho let's do this thing.19:07
diablo_rojo#topic Announcements19:07
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diablo_rojoI think the human readable urls qualifies as an annoucement19:07
diablo_rojoNo new migrations lately though19:08
SotKI think so too19:08
diablo_rojoAny other annoucements from anyone?19:08
SotKI plan to look at getting the same feature done for project groups and then will send an announcement/update email or something19:08
* diablo_rojo pokes at fungi to make sure he's not sleeping in the back row 19:08
diablo_rojoSotK, awesome :)19:08
fungioh, right19:09
fungisorry, juggling too many things at once19:09
diablo_rojoI saw you chatting with mordred about that last night/this morning19:09
diablo_rojofungi, you and me both sir :)19:09
* mordred said some words at some point19:09
mordredthe human readable urls are SO AMAZING19:09
diablo_rojoSotK, happy to review those when you get them out19:10
diablo_rojoAny other announcements?19:10
diablo_rojoOr shall we move on to migration updates?19:10
SotKI don't have any19:11
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diablo_rojo#topic Migration Updates19:11
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diablo_rojoSo! Not a ton to report- haven't heard back about if Keystone is interested after I did their test migration a while back.19:11
diablo_rojoNo new projects have asked me to run test migrations in a little bit.19:12
diablo_rojoKinda been focusing more on docs + now fixing up other issues people have had rather than driving migrations.19:12
SotKI somewhat worry that we're going to need to implement the attachments thing before some folk will migrate19:13
diablo_rojoI think I reran charms (it had failed a long time ago and now succeeded) and pinged jamespage about it but never got a response.19:13
diablo_rojoSotK, yeah I think thats going to be the case for at least Cinder and Manila19:13
diablo_rojoSo once I clean up a few more of the smaller Octavia concerns (topic for the later) I can try to start looking into that.19:14
diablo_rojoI imagine that will require a lot of planning discussion though.19:14
diablo_rojoCould do it at the ptg...19:14
diablo_rojobut you wont be there.19:14
diablo_rojoWe can do like we did for YVR and hangout you in19:14
SotKyeah that could work19:14
diablo_rojoShould probably start a planning etherpad at some point.19:15
diablo_rojoSotK, I know you said something about a holiday, but which day would work best for you?19:15
diablo_rojoI can't do Monday, but the whole rest of the week I can probably make it work.19:15
SotKTuesday would be best then, or Wednesday if need be19:15
fungii'm up for however/whenever we want to give that a shot19:16
SotKI can't do Thursday or Friday19:16
diablo_rojoLets plan for Tuesday then.19:16
diablo_rojoI can start that etherpad after this meeting, get it added to the wiki, etc.19:17
SotKnice, thanks19:17
diablo_rojo#action diablo_rojo to create PTG planning etherpad19:17
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diablo_rojoOkay. Kinda got off topic. Shall we move on to In Progress work?19:17
diablo_rojo#topic In Progress Work19:19
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diablo_rojoSo, I started working on one of the things in Octavia's list.19:19
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diablo_rojoThe same names issue.19:19
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diablo_rojojohnsom, fear not, we are working through your list of concerns still!19:19
diablo_rojoI put two patches up (one in WIP) for displaying email address with names to help differentiate users with the same name19:20
diablo_rojoI updated a few other things on that etherpad with progress as well19:20
johnsomHa, good stuff.  The team will be happy to hear it19:20
diablo_rojo#link Octavia's concerns19:20
diablo_rojojohnsom, you saw the project urls and now not just numbers anymore?19:21
diablo_rojoSotK, is working on the same for project groups19:21
fungioh, dhellmann noticed that when he was submitting changes to with just a story header and no task header, he got no story comments (and i found no evidence in gerrit's log that it even tried. i need to attempt to reproduce on storyboard-dev.o.o/review-dev.o.o but think the storyboard-its plugin for gerrit may be misconfigured19:21
diablo_rojoOh interesting.19:21
fungion my to do list since monday, haven't gotten to it yet19:22
diablo_rojoIts only Wednesday, still got a whole half a week left19:22
fungiSotK: also spotted a failure to comment from a change which _did_ have both story and task footers, so i still need to see if i can find corresponding gerrit log entries for that incident. it did not persist19:22
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fungier, SotK also spotted19:23
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SotKmeanwhile I started fixing some bugs which we had a bunch of duplicate stories for, around the "jump to" box and linking to tasks19:24
diablo_rojoAny other in progress work we want to mention?19:24
johnsomdiablo_rojo I missed that.  Do we need to update the deliverables files for the releases repo? I know they link to the number still19:24
fungithere's a massive stack of SotK work out there for the webclient which i should review19:24
SotKI'd appreciate some reviews on that if folk have time:
fungijohnsom: both work, you can use either and update if/when you like19:25
johnsomExcellent, thank you19:25
diablo_rojoBeat me to it :)19:25
diablo_rojofungi, yeah whenever you can get on some of SotK and fatema's patches for review19:25
diablo_rojoI think that would move us forward a ton.19:26
diablo_rojoMost are hanging out with one +219:26
fungiabsolutely. i think i'm good with the search ordering implementation of fatema's19:26
fungijust need to finalize the review19:26
diablo_rojoUnfortunately her official internship duration ends soon, but I imagine she will stick around for a while- hopefully even longer than that, but time will tell :)19:27
diablo_rojoI already mentioned that she has funding for the PTG right?19:27
fungimaybe we can find her more internships ;)19:27
diablo_rojoShe's just trying to get through some visa bs before its all settled.19:27
fungii missed that if you mentioned it, but awesome!!!19:27
diablo_rojoVisa pending.19:28
diablo_rojoI told her if there were any letters we needed to get things expedited and that I would be on it.19:28
diablo_rojoI have a check in with her end of next week so hopefully that is all panning out by then19:28
diablo_rojoAny thing else on in progress?19:28
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SotKI don't think I have anything19:29
diablo_rojo#topic Wiki Overhaul19:29
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diablo_rojoI did a thing and I already forgot I did that.19:29
fungiwe spent some time in last week's meeting congratulating you on it19:30
diablo_rojo#link Storyboard Wiki19:30
diablo_rojoha ha19:30
diablo_rojoI missed that in the logs I guess :)19:30
diablo_rojoGlad you all like it19:30
SotKits good, thank you19:30
diablo_rojoOkay well then nothing on that topic.19:30
diablo_rojo#topic Open Discussion19:30
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diablo_rojoAnyone got anything else?19:31
diablo_rojoBesides begging for reviews and needing a clone of themselves to get more work done?19:31
SotKother than that I don't think I have anything19:32
* fungi is feeling spread too thin volunteering for stuff, but it's probably just fallout from two weeks of vacation19:32
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funginothing from me19:32
diablo_rojovacation is wonderful while you're there and terrible after19:33
diablo_rojoOkay well I can leave it open for a few min if we think we should..?19:33
funginobody seems to be chiming in, i'd just #endmeeting now19:34
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diablo_rojoif folks have anything they want to discuss, please join us in #storyboard!19:34
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fungithanks again diablo_rojo!19:34
SotKthanks diablo_rojo19:34
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diablo_rojoNo problem :)19:45
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notmyname#startmeeting swift21:00
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'swift'21:01
notmynamewho's here for the swift team meeting21:01
notmynamehmm... anyone else coming this week?21:02
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notmynamehello zaitcev21:03
notmynamerledisez: ping?21:03
notmynameok, we can get started. just a few things to go over, then we should have open discussion for anything that needs brought up, then we'll be done21:04
notmyname#topic updates, release, priorities21:04
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notmynameI added a bunch of stuff to the priority reviews page...21:04
notmynamethis is my thinking...21:04
notmynamefor the openstack release cycle, we need to tag a release during the week of August 20 (two weeks from now)21:05
notmynamesooner is better, of course, in case any issues come up21:05
notmynamehowever, looking at what's outstanding, I updated the page21:05
notmynameswiftstack's current short-term priority is to get the multi-key KMIP stuff landed and the s3api patches landed. for the whole community, I would like to see PUT+POST land, too21:06
notmynamealso, I know has been open for a long time, and I think it would be nice to see it included21:06
patchbotpatch 447129 - swift - Configure diskfile per storage policy21:06
notmynamehowever, just that right there is a big list to get done in the next 1.5 weeks21:06
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notmynamethose of us at swiftstack are focussing on the s3api patches and the kmip ones. and I hope we can help with progress on put+post, but I also hope others can help there too21:07
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notmynamelater this week, I'll work on the authors/changelog patch, so that it's near-done and can be landed quickly21:08
notmynameI'm taking some time off next week (before my kids go back to school), so I want to have that part nearly done before I leave21:08
notmyname(this also implies skipping next week's meeting, unless someone else volunteers to run it)21:08
notmynameany questions or comments on any of that?21:08
zaitcevNope, all is clear.21:09
notmynamekota_: is all that clear to you too?21:09
kota_thinking of 447129, i think it can be included in this cycle21:09
kota_if it's ok to work with some minor fixes on the patch21:10
kota_p 44712921:10
patchbot - swift - Configure diskfile per storage policy21:10
notmynamekota_: I think that would be great, but it's probably only going to get included if you review it and help out21:10
notmynameor maybe with zaitcev too21:10
zaitcevWell, Kota added -1, I need to check why.21:10
kota_i finished the review already and have a follow up, waiting rledisez... but he seems busy?21:10
notmynameyeah, I haven't heard from rledisez. not sure what's going ok21:11
kota_the -1 is soft one, regression from older patch set and i have an idea how it imporove it.21:11
notmynameoh, I'd also meant to link because the authors have been very patient and it's largely an independent piece of work21:12
patchbotpatch 507808 - swift - Add ability to undelete an account.21:12
kota_I'll try to poke rledisez to get it merged sooner.21:12
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kota_speaking of the others, probably i should go over s3api's :P21:13
timburkefwiw, a lot of them were ports from swift3 patches21:13
notmynameI think tdasilva is looking at the s3api patches, too21:13
timburkebut i'm sure they'd benefit from some review and critical thinking21:14
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notmynamealso, FWIW, I'll set up an etherpad to start planning PTG discussion topics. I should have that ready later this week21:15
notmyname#topic open discussion21:16
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notmynameok, what else need to be brought up this week during this meeting?21:16
notmynametdasilva: I believe you wanted to bring something up21:16
tdasilvahey everyone, just wanted to announce that I've joined SwiftStack, started here on Monday21:17
zaitcevthat's only 1 for 221:17
kota_big surprise!!21:18
kota_oh what?21:18
zaitcevA good news but not enough to keep us ticking.21:18
notmynamezaitcev: meaning?21:18
zaitcevWe need 2 more core reviewers with Sam and Alistair gone, right?21:19
notmynameyeah, we're still net down 2 people from where we were21:19
timburkewe could always use more core reviewers21:19
notmynameit's definitely a topic we should discuss in person at the PTG21:20
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notmynametdasilva: being an employee of swiftstack myself, I'm super excited you've joined21:20
zaitcevtdasilva: Will you relocate to SF?21:21
notmynameoverall, as a whole community, we've got a lot to do and think about when it comes to attracting new people, including core maintainers21:21
tdasilvanotmyname: thanks21:21
tdasilvazaitcev: nope21:21
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notmynamekota_: zaitcev: one thing on that topic that I've been thinking about a lot lately is to recognize not on the contraction of the community but the concentration of dev work at swiftstack. and I would love to hear from you (email or privately on irc) your thoughts on how we can address issues and potential issues21:24
notmynamewe've got quite a few good things going for us as a community, but we've also got some challenges. i want to honestly look at where we are and make sure we aren't unintentionally excluding people21:25
notmynameand I think we all have ideas on how to grow the community overall21:25
notmynameand this too is something we should talk about at the PTG21:26
zaitcevnotmyname: I noticed some of it, but I thought that the fault was with us 3 at Red Hat for not driving the agenda more actively. Like, that PUT+POST spent much too long gestating. Or, the Python 3 was our thing for a while and it went nowhere until Tim in particular started attacking it seriously.21:27
notmynamewe are a team, regardless of who pays us or where we live, and together we need to figure out the best ways to go into the future21:27
notmynamezaitcev: I definitely do not want to do any blaming. if there are any failings, we need to address them as a group (and solve them as a group)21:27
notmynamebut I think you're right about some patches like put/post taking too long to gestate21:28
zaitcevSome people even ask me what's going to happen to Swift now that OpenStack itself ran out its hype cycle (according to the number of Google Searches for the term, e.g.). My stock answer is that people still need to store data, and Ceph is not doing everything needed.21:28
zaitcevI suppose we could always divorce from OpenStack if it starts to collapse in a measurable way.21:29
notmyname"people still need to store data" +10021:29
zaitcevWell, there's S3, you know21:29
notmynameI'm not ready to give up and say the whole world should "just use s3" :-)21:30
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zaitcevYeah. Remember how they lost power in Virginia datacenter, which is the default region. Whoo, boy.21:30
timburke(zaitcev: speaking of py3, you might be interested in some of where my patches are going -- i've got some horribly-disorganized commits up at that helped me shake out some of the bugs in
patchbotpatch 548727 - swift - py3: port bufferedhttp (hopefully)21:30
kota_I believe Swift will be needed too.21:30
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zaitcevtimburke: thanks21:31
notmynametimburke: you just reminded me of something with that comment21:31
notmynameit *is* important to keep in mind where we're going. eg what's the point of a certain patch and how it fits in21:32
notmynameright now, there are a few high-level things that current and planned patches are leading to21:32
timburketl;dr: i've got some py3 func tests running! just gotta make sure that data written with py2 is readable on py3 and vice-versa, and that a mix of py2 and py3 servers can all communicate, and...21:32
zaitcevnice nice21:32
zaitcevupgrade path, too, I presume21:32
notmynamefirst, with s3, after the current s3api patches land, we'll be able to work more freely on some new s3 compatibility. we'll likely be doign s3 versioning next21:33
notmynamealso, since the best we can do with s3 is to follow amazon, we'll always have more work to do there21:33
notmynamesecond, OVH is working on their LOSF work, and it seems like an improvement that will significantly help a lot of clusters21:34
notmynameone day, I hope we're able to have swift dynamically choose how data is stored on disk (LOSF slabs or not) and what durability scheme it uses (EC, replication) just based on the data21:34
notmynameeventually, we may even be able to do stuff like change that over time (similar to policy migration work)21:35
notmynamethird, we've still got the "big picture" ideas about replacing rsync with our own code ("tsync") and rewriting the storage servers in golang21:35
notmynamethose three things above will take ... oh, idk ... another 3 years at least :-)21:36
notmynameso we've got a lot of work to do still21:36
notmynamebut at a high level, those are the big things I see us working towards21:37
kota_I know we have the big picture, always I answer the story when I asked from my co-workers (or boss) ;-)21:37
notmynamekota_: nice :-)21:37
notmynameanyway, that's all I've got for this week. anything else to bring up?21:38
tdasilvakota_: are you going to the PTG?21:38
zaitcevI think SwiftStack hoovers all the work like this because it's basically impossible to do anything unless one's company derives most of its revenue from Swift. I have to deal with stupidest thing like clustering all the things and suddenly you can't find your logs.21:38
kota_tdasilva: sure, I booked whole week on the PTG21:38
kota_tdasilva: how about you?21:39
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notmynameanything else?21:42
notmynameno meeting next week (unless someone else volunteers)21:42
notmynamethanks for coming today, and thanks for working on swift21:43
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