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| diablo_rojo | #startmeeting fc_sig | 07:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 26 07:02:44 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is diablo_rojo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 07:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fc_sig' | 07:02 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 07:03 |
| gmann | o/ | 07:03 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/First_Contact_SIG#Meeting_Agenda Meeting Agenda | 07:03 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, around? | 07:03 |
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| mattoliverau | I haven't seen her normal good morning on the suse/work channel | 07:04 |
| mattoliverau | So how'd the PTG go? esp in regards to FC | 07:05 |
| diablo_rojo | It went well :) I suppose I should add a section to the agenda for that | 07:05 |
| diablo_rojo | lets do standing business first | 07:05 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic New Contrib patches | 07:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "New Contrib patches (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 07:05 | |
| mattoliverau | kk | 07:06 |
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| gmann | quickly checked and did not find any outstanding patch. | 07:06 |
| mattoliverau | there seems to be a keystone and heat ones. but haven't clicked on them yet to see if there being taken care of. | 07:07 |
| gmann | this is one but do not know anyone from openstack/charm-vault -https://review.openstack.org/#/c/605074/ | 07:07 |
| diablo_rojo | Looked at some and each one already had a Project Liaison on them so that was good | 07:08 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, I can ping frode or james about it tomorrow | 07:08 |
| gmann | added James Page in review. | 07:08 |
| gmann | diablo_rojo: +1 | 07:08 |
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| diablo_rojo | gmann, that works :) | 07:09 |
| diablo_rojo | okay anything else here? | 07:09 |
| mattoliverau | nope | 07:09 |
| gmann | nothing from me | 07:10 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic Ask.o.o | 07:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ask.o.o (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 07:10 | |
| diablo_rojo | I didnt do this homework.. | 07:10 |
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| gmann | no new query on Ask.o.o | 07:11 |
| diablo_rojo | Cool. | 07:11 |
| diablo_rojo | That makes me feel a little better :) | 07:11 |
| mattoliverau | I just did, nothing new there | 07:11 |
| mattoliverau | oh gmann is too quick ;) | 07:11 |
| diablo_rojo | Lol | 07:12 |
| diablo_rojo | Okay so done with this topic? | 07:12 |
| diablo_rojo | Or did we want to talk about seeding it still? | 07:12 |
| mattoliverau | hmm, we could seed. if we come up with good questions to seed with add them to: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ask.o.o-contribution | 07:13 |
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| mattoliverau | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ask.o.o-contribution | 07:14 |
| mattoliverau | but I don't have the brain power to think of anything now :P first week back and still very sleep deprived.. could take me a while :P | 07:14 |
| diablo_rojo | Its alright. | 07:15 |
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| diablo_rojo | I am in post PTG catchup + Berlin prep mode | 07:15 |
| diablo_rojo | So I don't have much spare brain either | 07:16 |
| mattoliverau | :) | 07:17 |
| mattoliverau | then let's move on | 07:17 |
| cmurphy | oops hi | 07:17 |
| gmann | yeah. | 07:17 |
| mattoliverau | cmurphy: o/ | 07:18 |
| diablo_rojo | Oh hello cmurphy :) | 07:19 |
| diablo_rojo | Alright. Moving on! | 07:19 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic PTG Recap | 07:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG Recap (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 07:19 | |
| diablo_rojo | We had a half a day in the morning on Tuesday. | 07:20 |
| mattoliverau | \o/ so give me the goss. how'd it go? | 07:20 |
| diablo_rojo | We had way more people than I thought would show | 07:20 |
| mattoliverau | (tho I did read your summary) | 07:20 |
| diablo_rojo | Around a dozen ish? | 07:20 |
| mattoliverau | oh nice | 07:20 |
| gmann | great. | 07:21 |
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| mattoliverau | any progress or more time rehashing old discussions? | 07:21 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah it was good. | 07:21 |
| diablo_rojo | Some progress on things like translation | 07:21 |
| mattoliverau | cool | 07:21 |
| diablo_rojo | discussion of stuff for Berlin which we will get to in the next topic | 07:21 |
| diablo_rojo | Got your patch a lot more attention | 07:22 |
| diablo_rojo | you as in mattoliverau | 07:22 |
| diablo_rojo | Got some work to do addressing comments. | 07:22 |
| mattoliverau | thanks :) I'd better go and address comments then | 07:22 |
| diablo_rojo | Another topic on our agenda | 07:22 |
| diablo_rojo | Yes :) | 07:22 |
| diablo_rojo | Anyone got a link to my ML thread? | 07:22 |
| cmurphy | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-September/134888.html | 07:23 |
| cmurphy | oh you meant a different thread | 07:24 |
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| diablo_rojo | No that's right | 07:26 |
| mattoliverau | that looks good | 07:26 |
| mattoliverau | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-September/134888.html | 07:26 |
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| diablo_rojo | Any questions about what went on gmann or mattoliverau? | 07:27 |
| diablo_rojo | Otherwise I will move on. | 07:27 |
| mattoliverau | nah that's good. | 07:27 |
| gmann | yeah, nothing. | 07:27 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic Berlin Planning | 07:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Berlin Planning (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 07:27 | |
| diablo_rojo | So forum topic proposals close tomorrow right nowish | 07:27 |
| mattoliverau | oh ok. | 07:28 |
| mattoliverau | so we should makes sure we have stuff in then | 07:28 |
| diablo_rojo | Jimmy is going to write the contributor guide operator section abstract | 07:29 |
| diablo_rojo | And I also requested a BoF session to do a meet and greet thingy- thats separate from the Forum proposals | 07:29 |
| gmann | and you are going to propose topic written in etherpad ? | 07:29 |
| gmann | or done | 07:29 |
| diablo_rojo | Jimmy is writing the one tomorrow | 07:29 |
| diablo_rojo | I was gonna help review it | 07:30 |
| gmann | ok | 07:30 |
| diablo_rojo | the BoF abstact is this: | 07:30 |
| diablo_rojo | The First Contact SIG's mission is to provide a place for new contributors to come for information and advice. This group will also analyze and document successful contribution models while seeking out and providing information to new members of the community. This BoF will be a time for new contributors or potential contributors to meet some people involved in the First Contact SIG and be educated on the tools and opportunites at their | 07:30 |
| diablo_rojo | disposal during the Summit and beyond. | 07:30 |
| diablo_rojo | I requested that it be Tuesday afternoon so its close to the start | 07:30 |
| diablo_rojo | of the summit | 07:30 |
| mattoliverau | ahh good idea | 07:31 |
| mattoliverau | potentually meet new people and help get them involved in the rest of the week :) | 07:31 |
| mattoliverau | also sprook it at OUI, I'm assuming it'll be running | 07:31 |
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| gmann | +1 on start of summit. | 07:32 |
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| gmann | hope it does not conflict with projects updates/onboarding sessions. | 07:33 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, awesome :) | 07:33 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, yeah I can try to pull some puppet strings to see if I can avoid that | 07:33 |
| gmann | thanks | 07:34 |
| diablo_rojo | Does that abstract sound okay? | 07:34 |
| mattoliverau | yeah, sounds good to me | 07:34 |
| diablo_rojo | Anything else on Berlin for now? | 07:34 |
| gmann | nothing. looks good | 07:35 |
| diablo_rojo | Does anyone else want to try to be involved with the forum abstract? | 07:35 |
| diablo_rojo | If so, let me know and I will ping you tomorrow. | 07:36 |
| diablo_rojo | Moving on! | 07:36 |
| mattoliverau | Happy to read/review anything you have | 07:36 |
| mattoliverau | or attempt to write things if we come up with others | 07:37 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic Reqs for Contributing to OpenStack | 07:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reqs for Contributing to OpenStack (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 07:37 | |
| diablo_rojo | Kinda covered this already. | 07:37 |
| diablo_rojo | Basically there are like 12 comments to address. | 07:37 |
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| diablo_rojo | I did find out that the agenda for Berlin is basically set and so are the ones for board meetings until then, but I think this doc would be a good topic for the start of the year board meetings | 07:38 |
| diablo_rojo | Anything else on this topic? | 07:39 |
| mattoliverau | nope, I need to go look. but then I might have questions ;) | 07:39 |
| diablo_rojo | I'm around to try to answer them :) | 07:40 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic People to Reach Out To | 07:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "People to Reach Out To (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 07:40 | |
| gmann | yeah. and we can keep adding if anything new comes up | 07:40 |
| diablo_rojo | Last time I think mattoliverau took a todo to reach out to inspur people? | 07:40 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, yeah would be good to get an initial version merged that we can add to/iterate on | 07:40 |
| mattoliverau | oh yeah, then I had a baby and everythings a blur :P | 07:41 |
| diablo_rojo | Get it like 70% there. | 07:41 |
| mattoliverau | I'll loop back and do that | 07:41 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, okay cool. | 07:41 |
| diablo_rojo | I hadn't noticed any others this time around but I hadn't been really looking for any either. | 07:41 |
| diablo_rojo | Anyone else notice someone doing the same patch in tons of different repos? | 07:41 |
| diablo_rojo | (18 min left) | 07:42 |
| diablo_rojo | If no one does, I think we can move to open discussion | 07:42 |
| mattoliverau | oh we may get an early mark | 07:42 |
| mattoliverau | I haven't but I haven't really looked because I'm a bad man | 07:43 |
| diablo_rojo | bad man/ new father ;) | 07:43 |
| diablo_rojo | Anything else here? | 07:43 |
| cmurphy | are we talking about the typo fix patches or something else? | 07:44 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, yeah basically typo fixes | 07:44 |
| diablo_rojo | I've seen a few that make the same change to URLs in tons of different repos too | 07:44 |
| diablo_rojo | Haven't seen anyone new doing that lately | 07:44 |
| cmurphy | yeah there are still a lot of those | 07:44 |
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| cmurphy | melissaml just did a new round of those this week | 07:45 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, does it happen routinely? Or is there a main project they work on too? | 07:45 |
| cmurphy | they seem to spread across all the projects | 07:46 |
| diablo_rojo | So..someone should probably talk to them? | 07:46 |
| cmurphy | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:ma.lei%254099cloud.net+status:open | 07:46 |
| diablo_rojo | Ah. | 07:46 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah.. | 07:46 |
| diablo_rojo | Who wants to reach out? | 07:47 |
| gmann | anyone know melissaml ? i have seen random +1 on review from him/her. | 07:48 |
| gmann | in nova, qa | 07:48 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah I've only seen random +1/-1 as well | 07:48 |
| diablo_rojo | and now that I see the list of patches I've definitely come across them | 07:48 |
| diablo_rojo | but it doesn't seem like many are getting merged, so we can be like 'Hey! We appreciate your contributions, but your time might be better spent on a more meaty issue in a single project' | 07:49 |
| cmurphy | do we already have some message crafted to address things like this? advice on what to focus on and how to get started? | 07:49 |
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| diablo_rojo | Happy to do introductions/help them get started learning a project/the people | 07:50 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, not yet..I think mattoliverau going to talk to the inspur person was gonna be the first go | 07:50 |
| diablo_rojo | Happy to help review something though | 07:50 |
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| cmurphy | okay I can try to write something up | 07:51 |
| mattoliverau | yeah, sorry | 07:51 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, awesome! Happy to give it a look if you want extra eyes | 07:52 |
| cmurphy | ++ | 07:52 |
| diablo_rojo | Anything else on this topic? | 07:52 |
| gmann | nothing from me | 07:52 |
| mattoliverau | nothing from me either | 07:53 |
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| diablo_rojo | #topic Open Discussion | 07:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 07:54 | |
| diablo_rojo | Anyone got anything else? | 07:54 |
| diablo_rojo | (6 min left) | 07:54 |
| gmann | no, may be we can close early :) | 07:56 |
| diablo_rojo | Fine by me :) | 07:56 |
| cmurphy | diablo_rojo can get an extra 4 minutes of sleep | 07:56 |
| gmann | :) | 07:56 |
| diablo_rojo | Lol | 07:56 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, always looking out for community members ;) | 07:56 |
| mattoliverau | oh then maybe we should talk for a few more minutes :P | 07:56 |
| diablo_rojo | Alright I'm calling it. | 07:57 |
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| mattoliverau | lol | 07:57 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, only if there are baby pictures involved | 07:57 |
| mattoliverau | kk | 07:57 |
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| diablo_rojo | Going once! | 07:57 |
| diablo_rojo | Going twice! | 07:57 |
| mattoliverau | oh I probably have them, I can send you many :) | 07:57 |
| diablo_rojo | Night! | 07:57 |
| mattoliverau | night | 07:57 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, yes please | 07:57 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 07:57 |
| diablo_rojo | #endmeeting | 07:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 07:57 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 26 07:57:45 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fc_sig/2018/fc_sig.2018-09-26-07.02.html | 07:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fc_sig/2018/fc_sig.2018-09-26-07.02.txt | 07:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fc_sig/2018/fc_sig.2018-09-26-07.02.log.html | 07:57 |
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| diablo_rojo | Thanks cmurphy gmann and mattoliverau for attending! | 07:58 |
| * diablo_rojo is off to bed | 07:58 | |
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| gmann | thanks | 08:00 |
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| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-sig | 10:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 26 10:59:57 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 10:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 10:59 |
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| oneswig | Hello there | 11:00 |
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| oneswig | #link Agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_SIG#IRC_Meeting_September_26th_2018 | 11:00 |
| verdurin | Afternoon. | 11:00 |
| yankcrime | o/ | 11:00 |
| oneswig | indeed! | 11:00 |
| timbell | o/ | 11:00 |
| oneswig | Hi timbell verdurin yankcrime | 11:00 |
| oneswig | Let us begin... | 11:01 |
| oneswig | #topic Keycloak experiences | 11:01 |
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| oneswig | yankcrime: thanks for coming along today | 11:01 |
| priteau | Good afternoon | 11:01 |
| oneswig | hi priteau | 11:01 |
| yankcrime | no problemo | 11:01 |
| yankcrime | i really should have the scientific sig irc meetings in my calendar anyway... | 11:02 |
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| oneswig | I first heard about keycloak at a workshop on federation a little while back but have never set it up myself. | 11:03 |
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| oneswig | What can you tell us about it? | 11:03 |
| yankcrime | so keycloak is an all-singing, all-dancing identity and access management application | 11:03 |
| yankcrime | #link https://www.keycloak.org | 11:04 |
| oneswig | The stated purpose in use cases I've seen is to manage all the federated authentication in one place, right? | 11:04 |
| yankcrime | for a bit of context, the background to us playing around with it is our involvement in helping to shape some decisions around openstack federation in general, and looking at what the various options are, for a group of uk-based research and academic institutions | 11:05 |
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| yankcrime | correct, amongst other things it lets you do exactly that - associate a user with multiple identities from a wide variety of sources | 11:05 |
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| verdurin | yankcrime: is that IRIS? | 11:06 |
| yankcrime | verdurin yes | 11:06 |
| timbell | CERN's looking into it in a similar way... following the AARC2 project investigations and Scitokens | 11:07 |
| yankcrime | we looked at what the different architectural options are, from 'full-mesh' configurations using keystone-to-keystone for example, through to hub-and spoke with a centralised login source | 11:07 |
| timbell | #link https://aarc-project.eu/ | 11:07 |
| timbell | #link https://scitokens.org/ | 11:07 |
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| yankcrime | timbell up, both those came up during the course of our research | 11:08 |
| timbell | we'd be very interested to see if there is a reference architecture for integration with OpenStack | 11:08 |
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| timbell | we have used keycloak within the scope of the HNSciCloud activities with T-Systems, seems to work well | 11:09 |
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| oneswig | timbell: I wonder what the driving requirement is for a standard like scitokens - how different is it from industry conventions? | 11:09 |
| oneswig | (and why?) | 11:09 |
| timbell | Scitokens is really just a name for an extended JWT (i.e. oauth2) | 11:10 |
| yankcrime | the consensus at the time was AAI via either egi check-in or jisc assent as a 'quick win' and to avoid having someone maintain another piece of infrastructure | 11:10 |
| yankcrime | #link https://www.egi.eu/services/check-in/ | 11:10 |
| yankcrime | #link https://www.jisc.ac.uk/assent | 11:10 |
| oneswig | timbell: aha, almost more like a schema for jwt than a free-standing standard | 11:11 |
| yankcrime | we integrated a couple of openstack installations as a poc with egi check-in and proved that it could all hang together, i.e users could login with their academic account via egi check-in and obtain access to each openstack installation in order to do their work | 11:11 |
| oneswig | yankcrime: what were the gotchas involved in doing that? | 11:12 |
| verdurin | yankcrime: is this different to the existing EGI Federated Cloud work, or a refinement of it, or...? | 11:12 |
| yankcrime | but pretty early on it became clear that there were some limitations and a degree of inflexibility using check-in directly, in particular the claims issued and the subsequent decisions we needed to make to grant appropriate group membership | 11:12 |
| yankcrime | verdurin i think egi federated cloud is a standalone openstack appliance type thing, but i could be wrong | 11:13 |
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| timbell | Does keycloak help with the group membership or is that an external service? | 11:13 |
| yankcrime | egi's documentation for check-in is really good, i had no problems getting things working (assuming a recent enough version of keystone - we worked against queens) | 11:13 |
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| yankcrime | timbell right, exactly - you can configure keycloak to be an identity broker, so that users can choose from multiple sources at the time of logging in to openstack, and then you can have keycloak issue additional claims as a result | 11:14 |
| verdurin | yankcrime: I worked on it a bit when I was at Imperial - allowed exactly this, login with EGI creds to a cloud at one of various member sites | 11:14 |
| yankcrime | that gives you the additional context you need to make those authZ decisions on the keystone side | 11:14 |
| janders | how well does keycloak scale? how much resources would it need compared to say keystone standalone? | 11:15 |
| yankcrime | verdurin: sounds like what we ended up with in the first instance | 11:15 |
| oneswig | yankcrime: keycloak enables us to create a canonical form from different claims from various ID providers, right? | 11:15 |
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| yankcrime | janders: i've not tested its scalability, but it's scale-out and based on jboss infinispan - which i've used in the past and have seen scale very well | 11:16 |
| yankcrime | oneswig: correct - from keystone's POV keycloak is the canonical IdP | 11:16 |
| janders | yankcrime: thank you. How about HA? can keycloaks be simply load balanced or is there more to it? | 11:17 |
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| yankcrime | janders: it's HA, you'd stick some kind of loadbalancer in front of a group of keycloak instances | 11:17 |
| janders | cool! | 11:18 |
| oneswig | I guess it has no state of its own | 11:18 |
| verdurin | janders: https://www.keycloak.org/docs/latest/server_installation/index.html#_clustering | 11:19 |
| janders | does anyone have experience with using something like keycloak for SSO while sharing data between organisations, either through manilla or some sort of a shared network? | 11:19 |
| yankcrime | janders: i've not tested that, but it's the next step for us, or at least broadening the integration outside of openstack | 11:20 |
| oneswig | janders: one issue we are aware of is that users authenticated via keycloak are shadow users and these don't work with Heat owing to lacking Trusts. Not sure if that would affect Manila (you'd hope not) | 11:20 |
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| timbell | Does keycloak give a Unix UID or similar to identify the user to POSIX-style resources? | 11:21 |
| oneswig | yankcrime: fact check needed on the above :-) | 11:21 |
| janders | yeah a nightmare scenario would be random UID/GID clashes and people inheriting other people's data by pure coincidence | 11:21 |
| yankcrime | oneswig: right enough, but it's a problem with federated users in general and not specifically a problem with keycloak | 11:21 |
| timbell | can keycloak handle CLI access or is it web SSO style only? | 11:22 |
| oneswig | timbell: how might that work? Is there a precedent with AD? | 11:22 |
| yankcrime | timbell you're probably looking at doing something like https://www.keycloak.org/docs/3.0/server_admin/topics/user-federation/sssd.html | 11:22 |
| oneswig | (the posix uids) | 11:22 |
| timbell | oneswig: AD has a field for a UID associated with the user which can then be made consistent and non-reusable by the registration system. Federated shadow accounts are much more difficult. | 11:23 |
| timbell | yankcrime: ahhh... sssd - my favourite :-) | 11:23 |
| janders | :) | 11:24 |
| verdurin | yes, I've used AD to store UID in that way before | 11:24 |
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| oneswig | It would be interesting if keycloak (or similar) was able to create a single namespace of posix uids from many ID providers. Seems like a big ask. | 11:25 |
| timbell | there's some discussion around using ORCID for this (and then matches nicely with publications too). Having ORCID as an attribute of IdPs would help. | 11:27 |
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| yankcrime | another federation related thing that's worth mentioning are some interesting comments arising from the keystone sessions at the recent stein PTG, which is that they're looking at adding identity broker capability directly into keystone itself | 11:27 |
| timbell | #link https://orcid.org/ | 11:27 |
| yankcrime | #link Keystone Stein PTG Etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-stein-federation | 11:28 |
| yankcrime | dexidp was mentioned specifically as an alternative for this bit of keycloak's functionality | 11:29 |
| yankcrime | #link https://github.com/dexidp/dex | 11:29 |
| martial_ | This is a side effect I believe from a conversation held at the last summit | 11:29 |
| oneswig | yankcrime: does that mean you'd run a freestanding keystone instance in place of keycloak, and do keystone-to-keystone auth? | 11:29 |
| oneswig | Hi martial_, morning | 11:29 |
| oneswig | #chair martial_ | 11:29 |
| openstack | Current chairs: martial_ oneswig | 11:29 |
| yankcrime | oneswig: i guess that might be one approach, i'd see it architecturally as it is now but without keycloak as a dependency for deferring authN to other services like check-in | 11:30 |
| oneswig | Would that retain the advantage of maintaining federated auth configuration in one place? | 11:31 |
| janders | kicking jboss driven app from my core infra dependency chain is tempting | 11:31 |
| yankcrime | it's well worth reading colleen murphy's (excellent!) blog which has a post on the subject of the PTG including a paragraph or so on federation | 11:31 |
| yankcrime | #link http://www.gazlene.net/denver-ptg-2.html | 11:31 |
| yankcrime | janders: quite | 11:31 |
| janders | otherwise - need a jboss guru on the team - or two.. | 11:31 |
| martial_ | (Sorry in school bus mode) | 11:32 |
| yankcrime | oneswig: it'd push the onus of configuration back out to individual openstack operators | 11:32 |
| yankcrime | but that's there to a degree anyway | 11:32 |
| yankcrime | on the subject of cmurphy's blog, it's been an invaluable resource in getting openstack federation up and running | 11:33 |
| oneswig | The operators of these sites will inevitably need to work together anyway, perhaps maintaining shared federated auth configuration is not unreasonable. | 11:33 |
| yankcrime | #link http://www.gazlene.net/demystifying-keystone-federation.html | 11:33 |
| yankcrime | in particular is well worth a read | 11:33 |
| yankcrime | oneswig: +1 | 11:34 |
| oneswig | yankcrime: any thoughts on how MFA would integrate in a federated authentication systme? | 11:34 |
| * cmurphy blushes | 11:35 | |
| timbell | oneswig: the other thing we've had problems with was a test suite to validate that a new site is compatible with the federation, e.g. EduGain. | 11:35 |
| yankcrime | oneswig: you can use freeotp or the google equivalent with keycloak, but i've not gone much further than reading a bit about its capabilities | 11:35 |
| oneswig | timbell: the issues around that would be inconsistent claims provided, for example? Or something else? | 11:36 |
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| verdurin | yankcrime: MFA is pretty much a requirement for us, so keen to hear more if you have it | 11:37 |
| timbell | oneswig: that sort of thing, yes. debugging was becoming an O(N**2) problem | 11:37 |
| yankcrime | verdurin: it's deffo on my list of things to do so i'll let you know | 11:37 |
| martial_ | Great read indeed | 11:37 |
| janders | +1 | 11:37 |
| martial_ | Will pass it along to Craig, thanks cmurphy | 11:38 |
| oneswig | yankcrime: overall your experience of setting up and running keycloak - has it been positive? | 11:39 |
| yankcrime | oneswig: i'd say so, yes | 11:40 |
| yankcrime | it's pretty easy to spin it up, there's some official docker images for example | 11:40 |
| yankcrime | configuration wise, the documentation is comprehensive | 11:40 |
| janders | I don't have much hands on experience with keycloak yet, but I know the local RHAT team here used it extensively for key customers, including Australia biggest ISP | 11:41 |
| janders | they ran into issues but seemed positive overall | 11:41 |
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| janders | so I dont think it's insane to go down this path (I will most likely do that myself in the near future) | 11:41 |
| oneswig | So it seems the main components missing currently for common use cases are a mapping of a unique posix uid, and experience of involving MFA | 11:41 |
| oneswig | What's the state of play for command-line usage? | 11:42 |
| yankcrime | there's a lot of configuration complexity and some options are fairly well buried, but that's par for the course it seems - it's no worse than google's api console for example when configuring an OIDC client | 11:42 |
| yankcrime | for the openstack cli, you can authenticate if you have an access token - but i've not yet found a neat way of retrieving that | 11:43 |
| oneswig | What's the hairy way :-) | 11:44 |
| yankcrime | the current hairy way is navigating to the egi check-in client management page and grabbing the token, then pasting it into clouds.yaml ;) | 11:45 |
| janders | is there an ansible module that could be used for that? :) | 11:45 |
| timbell | yankcrime: maybe X.509 wasn't that unfriendly, at least it lasted a year :-) | 11:46 |
| yankcrime | janders: i'm sure there's a better way | 11:47 |
| oneswig | indeed. If only Stefan was here to talk Assent. | 11:47 |
| oneswig | I'll take an action to follow up with him on how that effort is coming on, I recall he was deeply buried in keystone auth for assent for some time now | 11:48 |
| oneswig | He had some good demos of authenticating to his macbook and then all further logins and OpenStack operations seemed to be taken care of. | 11:49 |
| janders | I remember on Nectar I used to log in and get API creds, but I'm not sure what was happening in the background there | 11:49 |
| janders | blair would know | 11:49 |
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| oneswig | janders: let's follow up with him too | 11:49 |
| janders | Nectar probably doesn't use keycloak though | 11:49 |
| oneswig | OK we ought to cover some other items :-) | 11:50 |
| oneswig | Any more closing comments for Keycloak? | 11:50 |
| janders | no | 11:50 |
| oneswig | #topic Berlin Forum | 11:50 |
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| oneswig | thanks yankcrime, much appreciated. | 11:50 |
| janders | I wanted to briefly touch on something I brought up last week - manual ironic scheduling | 11:51 |
| yankcrime | oneswig: no worries! | 11:51 |
| oneswig | We started to gather a wish list for forum topics | 11:51 |
| janders | oneswig: I ran your suggestions by RHAT | 11:51 |
| oneswig | #link forum etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BER-stein-forum-scientific-sig | 11:51 |
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| oneswig | janders: which was that? | 11:51 |
| janders | they came up with an interesting idea of enabling TripleOCapabilityFilter | 11:51 |
| janders | hand picking a node that a baremetal instance would land on | 11:52 |
| janders | when that's in place, you can go --hint node=compute001.example.com | 11:52 |
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| oneswig | ah. | 11:52 |
| janders | and if there is a matching property/capability set on the node it *just works* | 11:52 |
| janders | however, what you suggested seemed different | 11:52 |
| oneswig | Correct me if I'm wrong but I think this can be done (by admins) using an AZ of the form nova::<ironic-node-uuid> | 11:53 |
| janders | maybe it would make sense to ask the team what's the preferred way of requesting specific nodes going forward | 11:53 |
| janders | I haven't managed to get that to work and the RHATs didn't seem to know this | 11:53 |
| timbell | janders: we had been looking at matching on the node UUID (since it is persistent, rather than the hostname) | 11:53 |
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| priteau | janders: You can also use the JsonFilter to do this | 11:53 |
| janders | timbell: are you using the same syntax as oneswig? | 11:54 |
| martial_ | Thank you yankcrime, very interesting indeed | 11:54 |
| priteau | janders: --hint 'query=["=","$hypervisor_hostname","<node_uuid>"]' | 11:54 |
| yankcrime | martial_: no problem, i hope it was of some use | 11:54 |
| timbell | janders: i'd need to ask one of our Ironic experts for the details... one of them is coming to the summit. | 11:54 |
| oneswig | If I went to find where mgoddard is eating his sandwiches I could confirm it for you now :-) | 11:55 |
| oneswig | ar$e, he's gone across town. I will ask him later. | 11:56 |
| oneswig | We have a few minutes - I wanted to ask if people could look at the etherpad and contribute ideas for forum discussion, based on our unmet needs | 11:57 |
| priteau | janders: FYI the ComputeCapabilitiesFilter filter is planned to be deprecated: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-September/134895.html | 11:57 |
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| oneswig | Perhaps we could propose federated auth and posix uids timbell - or would that be too specific to any one site? | 11:57 |
| verdurin | oneswig: that is of potential interest to us, at least | 11:58 |
| verdurin | though I see what you mean about the site-dependent elements | 11:58 |
| timbell | oneswig: Quite specific but a general slot on federation could have it as a sub-topic. Jose will be coming so he can give the correct answers :-) | 11:58 |
| oneswig | Oh brilliant. I think we should put something together for that. | 11:58 |
| janders | oneswig: just tried the --availability-zone nova::5d39342b-5... syntax, no joy | 11:59 |
| oneswig | timbell: verdurin: any chance...? | 11:59 |
| oneswig | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BER-stein-forum-scientific-sig | 11:59 |
| janders | do you guys see value in me adding manual scheduling to the etherpad? | 11:59 |
| oneswig | janders: I've done this before just ... can't quite remember the syntax | 11:59 |
| janders | we have few different ways, but it would be good to know what's supported/recommended going forwards | 11:59 |
| oneswig | will follow up with you | 11:59 |
| timbell | janders: yes, I'd be interested in manual scheduling approaches | 12:00 |
| verdurin | thanks, yankcrime | 12:00 |
| janders | ok! | 12:00 |
| oneswig | OK, we are all out of time alas | 12:00 |
| yankcrime | verdurin: no probs! | 12:00 |
| timbell | janders: we could also try to get something into the docs for the best practise since it is a common problem to the 'I want the server on the bottom left' | 12:00 |
| oneswig | janders: what OS version are you running? | 12:00 |
| janders | Queens | 12:01 |
| janders | RHEL-OSP13 | 12:01 |
| verdurin | Bye all | 12:01 |
| oneswig | OK - will test it here... | 12:01 |
| oneswig | thanks all | 12:01 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 12:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 26 12:01:52 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:01 |
| martial_ | #link https://jobszp1.lanl.gov/OA_HTML/OA.jsp?OAFunc=IRC_VIS_VAC_DISPLAY&OAMC=R&p_svid=68995&p_spid=3171345&p_lang_code=US | 12:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-09-26-10.59.html | 12:01 |
| priteau | Bye everyone | 12:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-09-26-10.59.txt | 12:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-09-26-10.59.log.html | 12:01 |
| martial_ | (ahhh too slow) | 12:02 |
| martial_ | for our AOB section, LANL had job postings ;) | 12:02 |
| martial_ | (will repeat during next week's meeting, better time zone for US West coast) | 12:02 |
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| jungleboyj | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 26 16:00:12 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jungleboyj. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| whoami-rajat | Hi | 16:00 |
| xyang | hi | 16:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:00 |
| yikun | hi | 16:00 |
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| jungleboyj | @! | 16:01 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj (✧∇✧)╯ | 16:01 |
| ganso | hello | 16:01 |
| woojay | hello | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | _hemna: You going to join us? | 16:01 |
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| geguileo | hi! o/ | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: Welcome. | 16:02 |
| geguileo | thanks :-) | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Is at a conference so I am guessing he won't be here. | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | Give people one more minute. | 16:02 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok, lets get started. | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | #topic announcements | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:03 | |
| e0ne | hi | 16:03 |
| _alastor_ | o/ | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | Not a lot in the way of announcements this week. | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | I did push up a patch to propose our last Ocata release. | 16:04 |
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| jungleboyj | #link https://review.openstack.org/603882 | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | Sean has given it a thumbs up. Hopefully that will merge before too long. | 16:05 |
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| jungleboyj | Also a reminder that we have the Priorities etherpad: | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking | 16:06 |
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| jungleboyj | If you are working on specs or reviews for items in that pad, please add your links. | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | I think that is all I have for announcements. | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Mid-Cycle planning: | 16:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mid-Cycle planning: (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:07 | |
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| jungleboyj | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-stein-mid-cycle-planning | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | Looks like we have 3 people interested in joining. | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | As I mention in there, Lenovo would be willing to host in RTP, but if there are others that want to offer. That would be fine. | 16:08 |
| whoami-rajat | can we join remotely? | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | If anyone wants to come to Rochester, MN in February I have room to host at my house. :-) | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | whoami-rajat: Yes, we will enable that again. Just like we did for the PTG. | 16:09 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: eharney is on PTO, but I think he was also interested | 16:09 |
| whoami-rajat | jungleboyj: ok, thanks | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | The format is much the same as the PTG but it is just Cinder meeting up. | 16:09 |
| e0ne | +1 for remote | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: Ah, that is right. | 16:10 |
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| * geguileo is interested but is unlikely that he'll go | 16:10 | |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: It seems like there is always so much for him after the PTG and he disappears for two weeks. :-) | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: Would you join remotely if we timed the topics appropriately? | 16:10 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: I'm going to dissapear for 3 weeks starting next week, holidays at last!! | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: NOOOOO!!!!! | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | ;-) | 16:11 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: yes, I would join remotely | 16:11 |
| geguileo | lol | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: Ok. Cool. Let me add a remote section here. | 16:11 |
| geguileo | e0ne: You can add your name to the remote list now ;-) | 16:12 |
| * jungleboyj doesn't know what I will do without geguileo next to me giving me the 'don't look at me' look. | 16:13 | |
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| geguileo | rofl rofl rofl | 16:13 |
| e0ne | geguileo: thanks :) | 16:13 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: And the don't ask me to introduce myself look | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, good. See people that would participate remotely too. | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: :-) | 16:14 |
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| jungleboyj | You are much less shy than you used to be. ;-) | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. so, now that everyone is aware of this. Please consider it. Is there anyone who knows this date won't work right now? | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | Cool. | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | Moving along. | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | I need to submit Forum Topics today: | 16:16 |
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| jungleboyj | #topic Forum Topic Planning | 16:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Forum Topic Planning (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:16 | |
| jungleboyj | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-berlin-forum-proposals | 16:16 |
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| jungleboyj | Looks like we have 5 useful topics there. | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | Anyone have objections to those being submitted? | 16:17 |
| tbarron | note that sig-k8s proposal already has cinder/manila CSI in it: https://www.openstack.org/summit/berlin-2018/vote-for-speakers#/22752 | 16:18 |
| tbarron | so vote for it too | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: Cool. Thank you for making note of that. | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/berlin-2018/vote-for-speakers#/22752 | 16:19 |
| _hemna | here | 16:19 |
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| _hemna | :P | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | @!j | 16:20 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj (._.) ~ ︵ ┻━┻ | 16:20 |
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| tbarron | forum topics are in the regular summit CFP and vote format now | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | _hemna: We need _pewp_ back in the cinder channel by the way. | 16:20 |
| _hemna | oh, he's not there? | 16:21 |
| _hemna | I'll check into it | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: That is so weird. | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | Nope. No pewp there. | 16:21 |
| rajinir | o/ | 16:21 |
| tbarron | made me consolidate more ... | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | I suppose. | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | How long is the voting open for? | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: ^ | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | Do you know? | 16:23 |
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| jungleboyj | Thanks. | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, so we have: | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | #action jungleboyj to submit topics from the etherpad | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | #action team to vote on our topics | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | Any other comments there? | 16:24 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum looks like today it the deadline for submissions | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Yes, that is why we need to get things submitted today. | 16:25 |
| e0ne | +1 | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | Anyway, I think we can move on. | 16:26 |
| tbarron | jamesmcarthur: can you tell us how long the voting period is open for Forum submissions? | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Will cinderlib follow the same release cycle as Cinder? | 16:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Will cinderlib follow the same release cycle as Cinder? (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:26 | |
| jungleboyj | walshh_: All yours. | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: I wondered if he was on IRC. Hiding under a formal name. ;-) | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | walshh_: Are you here? | 16:27 |
| tbarron | jungleboyj: I'm not finding the answer right off in my email but I just presumed that jimmy==james | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: Safe guess. | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | It isn't clear to me if it is actually going through the voting process. | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | Guess we will see. | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | Looks like walshh_ isn't here. | 16:28 |
| e0ne | we can ask geguileo :) | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: I think we discussed this at the PTG. Right? | 16:28 |
| walshh_ | Hi guys | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | I think it was implied that it would follow the same release schedule. | 16:29 |
| tbarron | jungleboyj: well jamesmcarthur did point mriedem to | 16:29 |
| walshh_ | apologies if it was already discussed, just brought it up for clarification | 16:29 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: that was my understanding from the PTG as well | 16:29 |
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| tbarron | https://www.openstack.org/summit/berlin-2018/vote-for-speakers | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: Ok. Good to know. | 16:30 |
| tbarron | And when I went there I was able to vote for and comment in favor of the sig-k8s proposal | 16:30 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: as cinderlib and cinder would be included in the same package | 16:30 |
| LiangFang_ | sorry to quit now, too late in prc | 16:30 |
| tbarron | dunno if anyone consumes that info though | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | So, Vote Early and Vote Often then. | 16:30 |
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| mriedem | no idea how the voting works | 16:30 |
| mriedem | if there are 80 blocks and 40 submissions, everything probably gets approved | 16:30 |
| tbarron | mriedem: i vote for yours if you vote for mine :) | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:30 |
| jamesmcarthur | tbarron: the Forum selection period is meant to be from September 27-October 9. | 16:30 |
| mriedem | in years past, sdague always told me to just submit stuff since there was always more room than content | 16:30 |
| jamesmcarthur | there is no voting on Forum submissions | 16:31 |
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| mriedem | jamesmcarthur: oh, well the 'cast your vote' is misleading then | 16:31 |
| jamesmcarthur | I just pointed mriedem (and others) there b/c it's an easy way to review submissions as they roll in | 16:31 |
| jungleboyj | jamesmcarthur: Ok. | 16:31 |
| mriedem | are my snarky comments on some of them still public? | 16:31 |
| jamesmcarthur | Right, I think I pointed that out at the time. | 16:31 |
| tbarron | jamesmcarthur: ok, I voted and commented fwiw | 16:31 |
| jamesmcarthur | mriedem: if you left snarky comments, they are still public :) | 16:31 |
| mriedem | jamesmcarthur: i will revise history based on memory thank you very much | 16:32 |
| tbarron | jamesmcarthur: not complainiing :) | 16:32 |
| jamesmcarthur | It's fine for people to vote... it's not going to hurt anything. | 16:32 |
| jamesmcarthur | It's just not something that normally happens in the Forum selection process. | 16:32 |
| jamesmcarthur | This is the first time we've repurposed the CFP tool for Forum, so we have some growing pains. | 16:32 |
| * jungleboyj is laughing | 16:32 | |
| jungleboyj | Change is hard. | 16:32 |
| jamesmcarthur | I guess the old tool wasn't performing very well and it was difficult to move sessions into the main Summit CMS | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | Makes sense. | 16:33 |
| mriedem | i'll be very interested to see numbers of submissions before and after this | 16:33 |
| mriedem | the old tool was very dead simple for submitters | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, so, moving on. | 16:33 |
| jamesmcarthur | to mriedem: comment earlier, we typically have more space that submissions | 16:33 |
| * mriedem is going to squat and derail this meeting | 16:33 | |
| jamesmcarthur | It's looking like this time will be no exception. So unless there is some obvious product pitch, it will likely be included. | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | @!h mriedem | 16:34 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj (/ .□.) ︵╰(゜Д゜)╯︵ /(.□. ) | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | walshh_: Did you question get answered? | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | *your | 16:35 |
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| jungleboyj | I believe the plan is that it will follow the same release schedule. | 16:35 |
| walshh_ | yes I did, thank you | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | walshh_: Excellent. Anything more on that geguileo ? | 16:35 |
| geguileo | not really | 16:36 |
| geguileo | if we need backports we'll do them like with Cinder | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. Good. | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Bug Triage | 16:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bug Triage (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:36 | |
| e0ne | will it be the same as 'Final release for non-client libraries' ? | 16:36 |
| * jungleboyj laughs again | 16:37 | |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Hmmm, good question. | 16:37 |
| geguileo | e0ne: I think it should have the same cut as Cinder | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | I am not sure that it would fall into that category because it will be in Cinder. | 16:37 |
| e0ne | geguileo: sounds reasonable | 16:37 |
| _hemna | isn't it going to be part of cinder repo? | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: ++ | 16:37 |
| geguileo | _hemna: yes | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah. | 16:38 |
| _hemna | ok, so why would it have a separate release cycle than cinder? | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | _hemna: Exactly. | 16:38 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok. So moving on. | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | Bug Triage | 16:39 |
| whoami-rajat | My turn? | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | So this bug kind-of is stuck without input from Eric. | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1788619 | 16:40 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1788619 in Cinder "disk cachemodes should be restricted with multiattached volumes" [High,New] | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | Will move that forward to next week. | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | whoami-rajat: I think you have a patch up for this one: | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1782714 | 16:40 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1782714 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Properties of an attached volume are lost after live migration" [Undecided,New] | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | whoami-rajat: Oh, maybe not. At least it isn't associated with the bug. | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: Did comment though. | 16:41 |
| whoami-rajat | jungleboyj: yep, i was waiting for the response from the author | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | whoami-rajat: Where was that patch? | 16:42 |
| geguileo | I talked with imacdonn yesterday about that one | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: Ok. | 16:43 |
| whoami-rajat | its for multiattach, let me find it | 16:43 |
| geguileo | oh, wait, maybe I'm wrong and it's another one | 16:43 |
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| geguileo | yeah, my bad, it's a different one | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | whoami-rajat: Is there an issue for multiattach as well? | 16:44 |
| geguileo | it looks like the reported issue is just about where they are looking at it | 16:44 |
| whoami-rajat | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/604040/ | 16:44 |
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| geguileo | but we may have a real bug, as we seem to be ignoring the original attach mode after the migration | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | whoami-rajat: Oh, that is a different issue. Ok. But that too is a good one to fix. | 16:45 |
| whoami-rajat | jungleboyj: multiattach setting to false after retype, seems like the CI is breaking,couldn't find a relation, | 16:45 |
| geguileo | this should be an easy one for someone to fix | 16:46 |
| geguileo | I think that's the RCA in the bug | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | whoami-rajat: Yeah, I saw that CIs are failing there. So, that isn't good. | 16:46 |
| whoami-rajat | asked tommylikehu in the morning for a look, seems like he was busy today! | 16:47 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: which one are you talking about. Sorry, we have got multiple signals going. | 16:47 |
| geguileo | rofl | 16:47 |
| geguileo | I was referring about the attach mode | 16:47 |
| jungleboyj | whoami-rajat: Yeah, I have heard he is going to have other distractions happening. | 16:47 |
| geguileo | which one were we talking about now? | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: Ok. Good. | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | So, it appears we need to figure out why that is making CI fail. | 16:48 |
| whoami-rajat | jungleboyj: since i don't have much of the CI backends configured, couldn't debug the problem from the gate failure. looks like the backends that doesn't support retype seems to fail but i maybe wrong. | 16:49 |
| whoami-rajat | checked the flow on lvm and nfs, works fine. | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | whoami-rajat: That shouldn't be the case for the IBM ones. They support retype. | 16:49 |
| geguileo | whoami-rajat: what case are we discussing now? r:-?? | 16:50 |
| whoami-rajat | geguileo: lol, i think we should finish one topic first. i'm discussing the multiattach one. | 16:50 |
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| jungleboyj | whoami-rajat: The Pure CI is failing in a volume types test: | 16:51 |
| imacdonn | multiattach one is https://review.openstack.org/604040 | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | u'message': u'Invalid volume: Volume status must be available or error or error_restoring or error_extending or error_managing and must not be migrating, attached, belong to a group, have snapshots or be disassociated from snapshots after volume transfer.', u'code': 400}, <traceback object at 0x7f8f0f8474d0>), (<class 'tempest.lib.exceptions.BadRequest'>, Bad request | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, looks like a common tempest case failing: | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | tempest.api.volume.admin.test_volume_types.VolumeTypesTest | 16:52 |
| whoami-rajat | jungleboyj: yes i checked the same error for multiple CI's. also retype without migration is failing. | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | That is the eternus results. | 16:53 |
| jungleboyj | So, more work required there. | 16:53 |
| whoami-rajat | jungleboyj: i wrote that test but seems like it differs from the retype tests in cinder. | 16:54 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. | 16:54 |
| whoami-rajat | jungleboyj: yes. :( | 16:54 |
| jungleboyj | :-( | 16:54 |
| geguileo | is it just me or that seems kind of wrong? | 16:54 |
| geguileo | never mind I'll review the patch and add my comments there | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: Ok. Sounds good. | 16:55 |
| whoami-rajat | geguileo: sure, thanks | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | We only have 5 minutes left. | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: You commented on https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1782714 last week. | 16:55 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1782714 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Properties of an attached volume are lost after live migration" [Undecided,New] | 16:55 |
| whoami-rajat | actually i | 16:55 |
| geguileo | yeah that's the one I was discussing earlier | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | Looks like you left a question and didn't get a response. | 16:56 |
| geguileo | yeah, because it looks like for RW it will work, you just have the info somewhere else | 16:56 |
| geguileo | (which is not a good user experience) | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: Yeah, that doesn't sound good. | 16:57 |
| geguileo | but we may have bugs for non RW volumes, as we seem to have hardcoded it on the re-attach | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: That may be left over from the fact that we used to really just have RW ? | 16:57 |
| geguileo | could be | 16:58 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok. Well, lets see if there is any response in the next week. | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | Re-address next week. | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | Triaging bugs may be a slower process than I thought. Some progress is better than none. | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. So, we need to wrap up. | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | Thank you team! | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 26 17:00:15 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-09-26-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-09-26-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-09-26-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| SotK | anyone here for storyboard? | 19:06 |
| SotK | #startmeeting storyboard | 19:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 26 19:06:34 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:06 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 19:06 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello | 19:06 |
| diablo_rojo | fatema_ doesn't seem to be online | 19:07 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi around? | 19:07 |
| SotK | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard#Agenda_for_next_meeting Agenda | 19:07 |
| SotK | I don't think we have anything to announce so I'll go straight onto migration updates unless someone shouts fast | 19:07 |
| fungi | ohai | 19:07 |
| diablo_rojo | No one migrated that I know of | 19:08 |
| SotK | #topic Migration Updates | 19:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Migration Updates (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:08 | |
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| diablo_rojo | So I did a migration of Oslo and somehow there was a difference in stories in sb and what existed in lp. | 19:08 |
| diablo_rojo | Part of it was that I didn't migrate oslo-incubator intentionally. | 19:09 |
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| diablo_rojo | The other part I think is that I migrated 'stevedore' instead of 'python-stevedore' | 19:09 |
| diablo_rojo | Which I have now migrated. | 19:09 |
| diablo_rojo | In the ML thread bnemec also noted that there were others missing though which I am trying to chase down atm | 19:10 |
| clarkb | did the incomplete state bugs end up being ignored too? | 19:11 |
| clarkb | (that was one theory I saw go by) | 19:11 |
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| fungi | they're not normally skipped | 19:12 |
| diablo_rojo | I double checked the script and they are not being ignored. | 19:12 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://github.com/openstack-infra/storyboard/blob/master/storyboard/migrate/launchpad/reader.py Migration Reader | 19:12 |
| diablo_rojo | Incomplete with and without response are both being migrated | 19:12 |
| diablo_rojo | What would be helpful is getting an accurate count on how many bugs actually exist in lp and how many stories exist in sb | 19:15 |
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| SotK | hm, a quick test of navigating to those 3 bugs in bnemec's email directly using the ID shows they are migrated fine | 19:17 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, perhaps he couldn't find them for some reason. | 19:17 |
| diablo_rojo | You want to reply with links? And I will reply about my stevedore/python-stevedore mishap? | 19:17 |
| bnemec | This could be related to the fact that the merged and invalid check boxes do nothing for me. | 19:17 |
| bnemec | Maybe the incomplete bugs are not showing in the active list. | 19:18 |
| bnemec | That could explain a lot of the disparity in numbers. | 19:18 |
| diablo_rojo | bnemec, that would make sense | 19:18 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah | 19:18 |
| SotK | diablo_rojo: sure | 19:18 |
| SotK | yeah, actually they're all invalid | 19:18 |
| SotK | that would explain it | 19:18 |
| diablo_rojo | bnemec, I think we are tracking things down though. | 19:18 |
| fungi | i wonder why the filtering checkboxes aren't working. what browser? | 19:19 |
| * SotK recommends using https://storyboard-dev.openstack.org/#!/story/list over the project groups view in general | 19:19 | |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, they don't work in chrome and bnemec was using ff | 19:19 |
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| SotK | they cause a request for stories to be sent, just not the right request for some reason | 19:19 |
| SotK | (they always browse for active stories, no matter their state) | 19:20 |
| fungi | oh, interesting. they used to work fine for me in firefox | 19:20 |
| diablo_rojo | 2061 stories that way | 19:20 |
| fungi | did they break recently? | 19:20 |
| diablo_rojo | and there are 2843 in lp | 19:20 |
| SotK | must've done somehow, they used to work fine for me too | 19:20 |
| diablo_rojo | So lp minus oslo incubator..napkin math says everything is there bnemec | 19:21 |
| bnemec | diablo_rojo: Okay, cool. | 19:21 |
| fungi | yeah, https://storyboard-dev.openstack.org/#!/story/list?project_group_id=74 gets me a reasonable count | 19:21 |
| diablo_rojo | Coolio. | 19:22 |
| diablo_rojo | Mysteries solved. | 19:22 |
| diablo_rojo | But the project group checkboxes are still broken. | 19:22 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2003883 Broken Checkboxes Story | 19:24 |
| fungi | i wonder if those regressed with the project-group name url work | 19:24 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, yeah that was my thought as well | 19:24 |
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| diablo_rojo | Hadn't dug into that yet | 19:24 |
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| diablo_rojo | I imagine its a pretty small fix though | 19:26 |
| SotK | most likely it will be yeah | 19:26 |
| fungi | even deselecting all three still shows active stories. wow | 19:27 |
| SotK | indeed, its like its not seeing any state changes for some reason | 19:27 |
| diablo_rojo | Other than currently running a Neutron migration. I think that's all for migration updates. | 19:28 |
| SotK | nice, thanks :) | 19:28 |
| SotK | #topic In Progress Work | 19:28 |
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| SotK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack-infra/storyboard-webclient+status:open | 19:29 |
| SotK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack-infra/storyboard+status:open | 19:29 |
| SotK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack-infra/python-storyboardclient+status:open | 19:29 |
| diablo_rojo | I have two patches out (one of which failed lint) that would be cool to get some eyes on | 19:30 |
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| diablo_rojo | One we talked about at the PTG-- the adding 1k as a preference | 19:30 |
| diablo_rojo | for page size | 19:30 |
| dhellmann | I could use some eyes on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/604653/, which should set things up for fatema to be able to continue the work we discussed earlier about moving validation out of the db layer and into the API layer | 19:31 |
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| diablo_rojo | dhellmann, I can take a look today | 19:32 |
| fungi | finally getting around to fiddling with linking task footers from gerrit via its-storyboard configuration today, i think | 19:32 |
| dhellmann | diablo_rojo : thanks | 19:33 |
| * SotK intends to do some review soon too, I'll put that sqlite patch at the top since I've already briefly looked at it | 19:33 | |
| SotK | fungi: nice | 19:33 |
| dhellmann | I'm also interested in looking at the search query language thing. Has anyone started thinking about that already? | 19:33 |
| dhellmann | SotK : thanks | 19:33 |
| fungi | dhellmann: as in like figuring out how to swap in something like a lucene parser? | 19:33 |
| dhellmann | at the ptg we talked about using a syntax similar to gerrit and I figured that would just need to be turned into the search fields we have already | 19:34 |
| dhellmann | I wasn't thinking about replacing the search backend | 19:34 |
| SotK | I've not given it any more detailed thought than I had at the PTG really, but that was my broad intention too | 19:35 |
| diablo_rojo | dhellmann, its all yours :) | 19:35 |
| diablo_rojo | I don't think anyone has started on it yet | 19:35 |
| SotK | (converting some text into something like our existing stuff, except supporting logical operators) | 19:35 |
| dhellmann | ok, well, it's sort of behind the stove rather than on the back burner, so don't block on me showing up and doing it but if I find time I'm interested | 19:35 |
| fungi | ahh. i think gerrit uses lucene. but maybe you were suggesting more like just altering some of the token syntax to be similar? | 19:35 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah I wouldn't go changing the search backend, just the language to interact with it. | 19:36 |
| dhellmann | SotK : I was going to do that on the python side of the API, but I may need some help with ensuring the JS side passes the string through in a useful way | 19:36 |
| dhellmann | fungi : yeah | 19:36 |
| dhellmann | like being able to say project:openstack-infra/storyboard is:open message:"a bunch of text" | 19:36 |
| SotK | yeah, on the python side is where I was imagining it to happen, it should be pretty simple to get the webclient to pass it through | 19:37 |
| dhellmann | ok, cool | 19:37 |
| persia | Will enabing that end up disabling the pop-up menu selection, or would that be modified to use the new syntax? | 19:38 |
| dhellmann | I was going to try to make it backwards compatible if we could but I haven't looked at how hard that might be | 19:38 |
| persia | I was thinking more from a UI perspective, like whether when one typed syntactic searches, the interface would replace with widgets, etc. Well, that, and whether the docs about "select type from the list" and similar need to be updated. | 19:39 |
| persia | I don't think there is any reason to make special effort to preserve support for two different query syntacies | 19:40 |
| SotK | I was envisioning keeping the pop-up menu as it is (and converting to the new syntax behind the scenes), but supporting a way to switch to a "type in your query" mode at first at least | 19:40 |
| dhellmann | that would certainly make it easier | 19:40 |
| dhellmann | sure, an "advanced" button might be a reasonable way to start | 19:40 |
| persia | That seems a sensible plan | 19:40 |
| SotK | the existing implementation is already basically in the form `field: value` anyway | 19:40 |
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| persia | I'm opposed to the idea of an "advanced" button, because think that is a harmful concept, but if that's the only way to get "type in your query" syntax, it might work (with different text). | 19:41 |
| dhellmann | sure | 19:43 |
| SotK | I'm not strongly attached to the idea, I just want the experience of using it to be better than my experience of typing in Gerrit's search box when I didn't know the syntax | 19:43 |
| persia | I think ideally the goal should be similar to gerrit, where one can type syntax or not (and get hints either way). I don't know if that's easily doable though, and I think something is better than nothing. | 19:43 |
| dhellmann | I don't know how hard it would be to make the existing field say "I don't know what this is, I'll pass it to the API and let it figure it out" but if we can do that in one field without the user having to turn it on that seems best | 19:44 |
| dhellmann | and yeah, making the search syntax discoverable would be good | 19:44 |
| diablo_rojo | +2 | 19:44 |
| diablo_rojo | I had started writing some docs on the syntax for the search, but it seems it might be better to wait and work on something else. | 19:45 |
| dhellmann | converting the grouping and logic into the backend query will be an interesting challenge | 19:45 |
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| SotK | it should be pretty easy to have an "I don't understand this thing" field I think, we already have a catch-all which is treated as "search for this in titles/descriptions" | 19:49 |
| dhellmann | ah, cool, so we can piggy-back on that | 19:49 |
| SotK | we should be able to yeah | 19:49 |
| SotK | anything else in progress? | 19:50 |
| diablo_rojo | I had thought about unearthing/making use of this board I found the other day: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/board/1 | 19:50 |
| diablo_rojo | Would be cool to kind of keep track of the focuses of the team in a way other than looking at open reviews. | 19:51 |
| SotK | +1 | 19:51 |
| diablo_rojo | Haven't gone through and overhauled it yet cause I wanted to get the okay from you SotK first. | 19:51 |
| diablo_rojo | Coolio | 19:51 |
| diablo_rojo | I'll see how pretty I can make it by next week. | 19:52 |
| SotK | I'll add you to it | 19:52 |
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| diablo_rojo | I also had kind of be going through all of our open stories and trying to gauge whether it had been fixed/if we needed more info/trying to add tags, etc | 19:52 |
| diablo_rojo | Awesome thanks SotK! | 19:52 |
| SotK | you should be able to do things to it now | 19:53 |
| diablo_rojo | Coolio. Any preferences for how you want things to stay? | 19:53 |
| diablo_rojo | I'll probably keep the lanes the same. | 19:53 |
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| SotK | no preferences really, though I do somewhat like the current lane setup | 19:54 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah I am all for the Kanban style. Its more contents that would change. | 19:55 |
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| * diablo_rojo envisions backlog, doing, and done to be stories and review to hold tasks that have patches out for review | 19:55 | |
| SotK | that sounds sensible enough to me | 19:56 |
| diablo_rojo | Awesome. I'll play around with that at some point before next week | 19:57 |
| SotK | thanks! | 19:57 |
| diablo_rojo | No problem :) | 19:58 |
| SotK | ok then, we're about out of time | 19:59 |
| SotK | thanks for coming folks! | 19:59 |
| fungi | thanks SotK! | 19:59 |
| diablo_rojo | thanks SotK! | 19:59 |
| SotK | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 19:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 26 19:59:57 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2018/storyboard.2018-09-26-19.06.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2018/storyboard.2018-09-26-19.06.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2018/storyboard.2018-09-26-19.06.log.html | 20:00 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 26 21:00:37 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
| timburke | o/ | 21:01 |
| kota_ | hello | 21:01 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:01 |
| tdasilva | hi | 21:01 |
| rledisez | hi o/ | 21:01 |
| m_kazuhiro | o/ | 21:01 |
| notmyname | welcome | 21:01 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: thanks for running last week's meeting | 21:02 |
| tdasilva | yw | 21:02 |
| notmyname | and it seems I never updated the agenda for this week's meeting, so we'll have to be spontaneous this week :-) | 21:02 |
| * notmyname feels like there was something to say, but then the train of thought got derailed | 21:04 | |
| notmyname | what do we need to bring up this week? | 21:04 |
| notmyname | I've seen timburke and zaitcev working on py3 fixes | 21:04 |
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| kota_ | nice | 21:05 |
| tdasilva | one left over action item from last week was : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447129/ | 21:05 |
| patchbot | patch 447129 - swift - Configure diskfile per storage policy - 20 patch sets | 21:05 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: IIRC we're waiting to hear from gluster people on that | 21:05 |
| mattoliverau | Did the gluster people get back to us? | 21:05 |
| notmyname | is that still the case? we've got 3 +2s on it. when do we just land it? :-) | 21:05 |
| tdasilva | yeah, we should be able to go ahead | 21:05 |
| tdasilva | and land it | 21:06 |
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| kota_ | :) | 21:06 |
| mattoliverau | Quick someone hit the +A now :) | 21:06 |
| notmyname | done! | 21:06 |
| mattoliverau | \o/ | 21:06 |
| kota_ | ¥o/ | 21:06 |
| notmyname | kota_: money arms :-) | 21:06 |
| rledisez | \o/ | 21:06 |
| rledisez | i didn't had a chance to mention that: | 21:07 |
| rledisez | one point about p 447129 is the naming. some people think that (replication|erasure_coding).fs is not a good naming for the default module. but maybe .xfs | 21:07 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447129/ - swift - Configure diskfile per storage policy - 20 patch sets | 21:07 |
| rledisez | i guess now .fs is the good one ;) | 21:07 |
| kota_ | oh, it was not changed as back slash... | 21:07 |
| notmyname | well, as long as we change it before we tag a release, we can still rename it | 21:07 |
| mattoliverau | Lol, I was more like .df but it's fs now :p | 21:08 |
| notmyname | rledisez: ^ | 21:08 |
| notmyname | if we want | 21:08 |
| timburke | rledisez: was i right about the losf variants planning on ending with .losf? | 21:08 |
| rledisez | ok, so, let's vote ? .fs / .xfs / .df / other idea? | 21:08 |
| rledisez | timburke: yes, it will probably be .losf (right now we use .kv in our deployement, but it's a bad naming) | 21:08 |
| timburke | notmyname: we could also rename it later anyway, and just keep the two entrypoints around pointing to the same thing | 21:09 |
| rledisez | except if you find a cool name for losf :) | 21:09 |
| tdasilva | i think .fs is fine | 21:09 |
| timburke | mmm. yeha, i kinda understand .kv, too | 21:09 |
| notmyname | #startvote should we keep .fs or change it? .fs .xfs .df other | 21:10 |
| timburke | naming things is hard :-( | 21:10 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: should we keep .fs or change it? Valid vote options are , fs, xfs, df, other. | 21:10 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 21:10 |
| mattoliverau | Well df was for diskfile, they could be used on none xfs (in theory). | 21:10 |
| notmyname | it worked! | 21:10 |
| notmyname | yeah, I don't like .df for the reasons mentioned | 21:10 |
| kota_ | +1 for .fs. even we assume users use xfs but it's a general purpose file system impl IIRC. | 21:10 |
| rledisez | #vote fs | 21:10 |
| notmyname | it's an abstraction, not the implementation | 21:10 |
| tdasilva | #vote fs | 21:10 |
| kota_ | i.e. we could use .fs with ext4 | 21:10 |
| kota_ | $vote fs | 21:10 |
| timburke | #vote fs or xfs | 21:10 |
| openstack | timburke: fs or xfs is not a valid option. Valid options are , fs, xfs, df, other. | 21:10 |
| kota_ | no | 21:10 |
| kota_ | #vote fs | 21:11 |
| timburke | #vote fs | 21:11 |
| rledisez | kota_: exactly, that was the purpose of .fs, to be generic enought on a POSIX filesystem. it should work *theoricaly* | 21:11 |
| m_kazuhiro | #vote fs | 21:11 |
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| kota_ | i hit a lot of money today :/ | 21:11 |
| mattoliverau | Good points, so fs meaning it's using a fs | 21:11 |
| clayg | #vote fs | 21:11 |
| notmyname | I'm seeing a consensus here :-) | 21:11 |
| mattoliverau | K, sold | 21:11 |
| mattoliverau | #vote fs | 21:12 |
| notmyname | #endvote | 21:12 |
| openstack | Voted on "should we keep .fs or change it?" Results are | 21:12 |
| openstack | fs (7): rledisez, tdasilva, kota_, mattoliverau, m_kazuhiro, clayg, timburke | 21:12 |
| notmyname | good news! the current +A can stay :-) | 21:12 |
| notmyname | (now for just a few dozen hours in the gate) | 21:12 |
| mattoliverau | Lol | 21:12 |
| rledisez | thx all for the great reviews on that patch, i'm glad it's landed, next step is (maybe) LOSF itself ;) | 21:12 |
| notmyname | rledisez: nice! | 21:12 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: were there any other follow-ups from last week? | 21:13 |
| timburke | idk that it should work on any POSIX filesystem -- do they necessarily support xattrs? what size? | 21:13 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: "any filesystem you want, as long as it's xfs" | 21:13 |
| timburke | (neither here nor there, i suppose) | 21:13 |
| tdasilva | looking at logs | 21:14 |
| kota_ | shhhh :P | 21:14 |
| rledisez | timburke: it's theoritical. but with the requirement on unlimited xattr, i think only XFS, JFS and ZFS are candidate (and I can't recommend JFS…) | 21:14 |
| rledisez | oh, and reiserfs also | 21:15 |
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| notmyname | rledisez: yeah, we've got the code paths to support .meta files. it would be interesting, perhaps, to use that if we can't use xattrs in the normal write path. would have some downsides, though (eg more inodes) | 21:15 |
| tdasilva | rledisez loves to hear 'more inodes' :P | 21:16 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: did you find anything else? | 21:17 |
| tdasilva | nope, we had a long talk on PUT+POST, but don't think there's anything new to discuss there yet | 21:17 |
| notmyname | cool | 21:17 |
| clayg | 😒 | 21:18 |
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| notmyname | today I was looking at all the patches that have landed in order to see if we should to at least a minor version release | 21:18 |
| clayg | new swifts are the best swifts | 21:18 |
| timburke | speaking of, i'd like to thank clayg and mattoliverau for landing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/604937/ | 21:18 |
| patchbot | patch 604937 - swift - Allow kmip_keymaster to be configured in proxy-ser... (MERGED) - 1 patch set | 21:18 |
| notmyname | there's been a lot of patches that have landed (git shortlog -ne 2.19.0.. | wc -l -> 116), but I don't think there's anything *critical* | 21:18 |
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| notmyname | the one timburke just mentioned is good, as is the KEEPIDLE patch. and maybe the '-' in etags one. but those are the only 3 that would make any material difference to users | 21:19 |
| notmyname | all the others were py3 and tests and some other misc cleanups | 21:19 |
| notmyname | so I do not think we should tag a release upstream right now. | 21:20 |
| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 21:21 |
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| notmyname | anything else to bring up or questions to ask? | 21:21 |
| rledisez | just one question about encryption | 21:21 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: would it make sense to create a list of patches we would like to see in the next release? | 21:21 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: yeah, that's normally what we do on the priority reviews page. | 21:22 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 21:22 |
| rledisez | is there anything in roadmap about getting the encryption key from the user (eg: in a header during the request). then forget about the key | 21:22 |
| notmyname | I need to clean that up. there are a few that have landed and a few (like PUT+POST) that have changed | 21:22 |
| notmyname | rledisez: no, not from the swiftstack side of things. do you have a requirement from users on that? | 21:23 |
| clayg | I like that notmyname he's a straight shooter | 21:23 |
| rledisez | notmyname: no strong requests, i was just discussing about encryption with an internal user this afternoon | 21:24 |
| timburke | i always find that weird -- why trust the server with your key? encrypt/decrypt client-side | 21:24 |
| notmyname | rledisez: cool. let us know if it's something that we need to think about usptream | 21:24 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: I know, right?! | 21:24 |
| rledisez | I had to explain than a security issue in swift/keystone middleware might expose the data, even if they are encrypted | 21:24 |
| timburke | like, i get that AWS lets you do it, but that doesn't seem ipso facto a good thing | 21:24 |
| mattoliverau | rledisez: I remember it coming up, but in that case things like container sync would have trouble, so kept it out of scope. Unless we have a real need | 21:24 |
| timburke | mattoliverau: i think what would have to happen is that you'd sync the encrypted data | 21:25 |
| rledisez | mattoliverau: it depends, if the data can be transferred encrypted (eg: if it only depends on the user key, not the object name &co), it could be doable | 21:26 |
| mattoliverau | Yeah, but as a put? Yeah, it would mean a change to how container sync works. So out off until or if we ever need it | 21:26 |
| mattoliverau | Having the key was easier ;) | 21:27 |
| timburke | *maybe* this becomes interesting if the client doesn't actually know the key? if the client provides a barbican or kmip key identifier instead, and the proxy needs to go retrieve the real key? | 21:28 |
| notmyname | or change the put path to say "treat it like encrypted, but we're not giving you the key this time". IDK. lots to think about if we need to implement it | 21:28 |
| notmyname | anyway, I'm going to specifically not think about it any more until rledisez tells me it's a critical user problem :-) | 21:29 |
| mattoliverau | Lol | 21:29 |
| rledisez | notmyname: you won't be disturbed by me in the next few month about that ;) | 21:29 |
| notmyname | wonderful! | 21:29 |
| notmyname | rledisez: do you have any other prereq patches for LOSF? all the ones I knew about have been merged (or marked as merged) | 21:30 |
| rledisez | notmyname: there is still one, but it's a WIP: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/561631/ | 21:31 |
| patchbot | patch 561631 - swift - WIP - abstract FS operations in replicator/reconst... - 2 patch sets | 21:31 |
| rledisez | so, for now everything is merged | 21:31 |
| notmyname | cool | 21:31 |
| notmyname | anything else from anyone? kota_ m_kazuhiro are you good? | 21:31 |
| timburke | oh yeah... what do people think about the approach in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/603209/ ? should i clean it up enough that tests are actually passing? or should we leave things as they are? | 21:32 |
| patchbot | patch 603209 - swift - WIP: Refactor load_libc_function and _LibcWrapper - 1 patch set | 21:32 |
| kota_ | it's ok to me. no items to bring today from me. | 21:32 |
| m_kazuhiro | I have one small patch for general task queue. And it is ready for review. | 21:32 |
| kota_ | timburke: oh nice. I'm interested in that one. | 21:32 |
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| notmyname | m_kazuhiro: can you please link it? | 21:33 |
| m_kazuhiro | It is patch 601950 . | 21:33 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/601950/ - swift - Enable to configure object-expirer in object-serve... - 4 patch sets | 21:33 |
| notmyname | m_kazuhiro: thank you. I will add it to the priority reviews page when I clean it up today | 21:35 |
| m_kazuhiro | This patch contains upgrade impact of object expirer. | 21:35 |
| m_kazuhiro | notmyname: thank you! | 21:35 |
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| notmyname | anything else from anyone? or shall we close the meeting? | 21:35 |
| notmyname | I'll take silence as a vote to end the meeting :-) | 21:36 |
| notmyname | thanks for coming today, and thank you for your work on swift | 21:37 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:37 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 26 21:37:07 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-09-26-21.00.html | 21:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-09-26-21.00.txt | 21:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-09-26-21.00.log.html | 21:37 |
| mattoliverau | \o/ breakfast time! | 21:37 |
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