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| litao_ | whoami-rajat: thanks | 01:37 |
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| ekcs | #startmeeting congressteammeeting | 04:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Sep 28 04:01:04 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekcs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting' | 04:01 |
| ekcs | hi all! topics kept here as usual. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-meeting-topics feel free to add your topics! | 04:02 |
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| akhil_jain | ekcs: Hi! | 04:02 |
| ekcs | hi akhil_jain ! | 04:03 |
| akhil_jain | I would like to introduce dkushwaha: PTL of tacker and mbindlish: active contributor in QA | 04:03 |
| dkushwaha | o/ | 04:03 |
| mbindlish | hi | 04:03 |
| ekcs | hi dkushwaha ! | 04:03 |
| ekcs | hi mbindlish ! | 04:03 |
| ekcs | big thanks for joining us at this time. | 04:04 |
| mbindlish | :) | 04:05 |
| akhil_jain | ekcs: So as discussed they will help us understand tacker-monasca-congress usecase | 04:06 |
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| dkushwaha | Thanks akhil_jain ekcs | 04:07 |
| dkushwaha | Let me explain our use case. | 04:07 |
| ekcs | that’s awesome. thanks akhil_jain ! yes definitely excited to learn more and see where I can help. | 04:07 |
| dkushwaha | ekcs, please see https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1C1GEoSC34Yg6rNCD9MVUkhg7s4-9WMI6c7NK9FVnxwY/edit?usp=sharing | 04:07 |
| dkushwaha | As per the OPNFV Doctor fault management framework | 04:08 |
| ekcs | got it! | 04:08 |
| dkushwaha | we are using congress as inspector, monasca as monitor, and Tacker as VNF manager | 04:08 |
| dkushwaha | For automatic corrective actions depending on the monitor data evaluation Tacker execution driver needs to be supported in congress. | 04:09 |
| ekcs | that makes sense. | 04:10 |
| dkushwaha | which will poll VNF data from Tacker and can execute policy | 04:10 |
| ekcs | I see. | 04:11 |
| ekcs | So here Congress’s role is to poll tacker data, combine with monasca webhook data, then send something back to tacker is the form of executions? | 04:12 |
| dkushwaha | Although, on Tacker side, we have one gap. We needs to have an interface which can list VNFs per comupte node(which is currently missing in Tacker side) | 04:12 |
| dkushwaha | ekcs, yes | 04:12 |
| ekcs | got it. | 04:14 |
| ekcs | so just to help me get a more concrete sense, what’s a typical action congress may execute on tacker? | 04:14 |
| ekcs | in these scenarios? | 04:14 |
| dkushwaha | ekcs, the corrective action can be to fatch, VNFd id from Tacker VNF list, and re-spawn VNF. | 04:16 |
| dkushwaha | this was the one of action we looked for our PoC, but i think that can be explore for more | 04:17 |
| ekcs | got it that makes sense! again just for my context, is there a specific tacker api call or a series of api calls that accomplish that? | 04:18 |
| ekcs | i’m looking through the tacker api reference here https://docs.openstack.org/tacker/ocata/devref/mano_api.html | 04:19 |
| ekcs | not most current though. | 04:19 |
| ekcs | is this a better place to look? https://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/nfv-orchestration/v1/index.html | 04:20 |
| dkushwaha | ekcs, to re-spawn VNF we can use POST /v1.0/vnfs | 04:22 |
| dkushwaha | which is nothing, but create the VNF with specified VNFD id | 04:22 |
| ekcs | got it! | 04:23 |
| dkushwaha | ekcs, and later improvement, more actions can be scaling etc.. too | 04:24 |
| dkushwaha | *VNF Scaling | 04:24 |
| ekcs | I see. That’s great. | 04:24 |
| ekcs | that’s cool. I’m definitely excited about this work. Seems that with some work, all the pieces would fit great together. | 04:26 |
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| ekcs | dkushwaha: let me know if you have more to say before I continue with questions/response =) | 04:27 |
| dkushwaha | ekcs, i think, i am done from my side. | 04:28 |
| ekcs | got it thanks a lot for the clear overview dkushwaha ! | 04:29 |
| ekcs | akhil_jain and mbindlish do you have anything to add? | 04:29 |
| mbindlish | ekcs: I think dkushwaha explained completely! | 04:30 |
| akhil_jain | ekcs: None from my side | 04:30 |
| ekcs | cool cool. So yea like I said I think it’s a great vision overall. I wonder what the work items would be on Congress side. | 04:31 |
| ekcs | monasca webhook integration and tacker data source driver obviously. | 04:32 |
| ekcs | I wonder if there are further requirements for the use case. | 04:32 |
| ekcs | for example, if congress calls the api to respawn VNF but it fails, what would we like to happen? | 04:33 |
| dkushwaha | ekcs, I think for now we can just retry for re-spawn, but further improvement definitely will be a great addition | 04:36 |
| ekcs | dkushwaha: got it! | 04:36 |
| ekcs | on another note, akhil_jain and I were wonderingi if there may be a example policy for the use case. | 04:37 |
| ekcs | in particular, it’d help to understand whether the splitting of one monasca webhook update into multiple transactions would cause problems or not. | 04:38 |
| dkushwaha | mbindlish, do you have example policy right now? otherwise we can share it later | 04:39 |
| ekcs | I understand that not all the schemas are fixed yet, but even a rough sketch would be helpful. | 04:39 |
| mbindlish | Currently not having for respawn, but for example: deleting VNF | 04:40 |
| mbindlish | openstack congress policy rule create --name delete_vnf classification 'execute[tacker:delete_vnf("<VNF_ID>")]:- monasca:alarm_notification(state="ALARM")' | 04:40 |
| mbindlish | a rough idea to understand | 04:41 |
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| ekcs | got it! | 04:41 |
| ekcs | great. well if there’s more sample available to share in the future I’d love to see it. | 04:42 |
| ekcs | is there anything specific I can help with? | 04:43 |
| ekcs | on the rules, I’m down to help create them together if there’s ever any difficulty. | 04:44 |
| dkushwaha | ekcs, is there some patch already in fly for the same? | 04:44 |
| akhil_jain | dkushwaha: i have started working on it https://review.openstack.org/#/c/604275/ | 04:45 |
| ekcs | yes. akhil_jain has a WIP patch for tacker data source driver. a version of monasca webhook integration is already in rocky. | 04:45 |
| dkushwaha | great, I thinks we can further discuss on patch review | 04:46 |
| akhil_jain | but maybe for deleting and respawning VNF I will have to look more into it | 04:46 |
| ekcs | perfect. | 04:47 |
| ekcs | one more question: roughly how many VMs and how many VNFs are we envisioning in a setup? | 04:47 |
| ekcs | like 10s or 100s or 1000s? | 04:47 |
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| ekcs | or we can defer till later. | 04:48 |
| dkushwaha | during our PoC, we used around 10s for this integration. mbindlish, correct me if i m wrong. | 04:49 |
| mbindlish | Yes, correct but I think there were no limit defined | 04:50 |
| ekcs | got it. what’s a typical scale envisioned in production? | 04:50 |
| dkushwaha | ekcs, not sure, but i think, we can defer limit part for now | 04:51 |
| ekcs | cool. not looking for limit per se, but hoping for a general sense to understand if we’ll run into scaling issues. but yes definitely can be discussed in future. | 04:52 |
| ekcs | well is there anything else to discuss on the topic for today? | 04:52 |
| dkushwaha | ekcs, from my side, nothing for now | 04:53 |
| mbindlish | nothing from my side | 04:54 |
| ekcs | got it! I think we can end then unless akhil_jain there’s something you want to discuss? | 04:54 |
| ekcs | thanks again so much dkushwaha and mbindlish for stopping by for the very helpful discussion. | 04:54 |
| akhil_jain | ekcs: nothing for now. got direction to work on from this discussion | 04:55 |
| dkushwaha | ekcs, thanks | 04:55 |
| akhil_jain | Thanks dkushwaha and mbindlish | 04:55 |
| mbindlish | ekcs: dkushwaha akhil_jain thanks | 04:55 |
| ekcs | awesomeness. looking forward to continuing to work together! | 04:55 |
| ekcs | let’s end meeting then. | 04:56 |
| ekcs | happy friday all! | 04:56 |
| dkushwaha | Thanks folks :) | 04:56 |
| mbindlish | :) | 04:56 |
| akhil_jain | Happy friday! | 04:56 |
| ekcs | bye all =) | 04:56 |
| ekcs | #endmeeting | 04:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Sep 28 04:56:33 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 04:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2018/congressteammeeting.2018-09-28-04.01.html | 04:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2018/congressteammeeting.2018-09-28-04.01.txt | 04:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2018/congressteammeeting.2018-09-28-04.01.log.html | 04:56 |
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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Sep 28 14:00:10 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 14:00 |
| slaweq | hi | 14:00 |
| yamamoto | hi | 14:00 |
| mlavalle | hi everyone | 14:00 |
| mlavalle | let's give a couple of minutes to others to show up | 14:00 |
| njohnston | o/ | 14:00 |
| mlavalle | amotoki won't join, since he is off on vacation this week | 14:01 |
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| mlavalle | how was your month long vacation, yamamoto? | 14:01 |
| haleyb | hi | 14:01 |
| mlavalle | ok, let's get going | 14:02 |
| yamamoto | mlavalle: exausted playing with my son | 14:02 |
| mlavalle | yamamoto: yeap, that's what parenting is all about. They have endless energy, and we don't anymore ;-) | 14:02 |
| mlavalle | LOL | 14:03 |
| slaweq | :) | 14:03 |
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| mlavalle | #topic RFEs | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RFEs (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 14:03 | |
| mlavalle | so let's pick up where we left off last time.... | 14:03 |
| mlavalle | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1785213 | 14:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1785213 in neutron "[RFE] Automatically allow incoming DHCP traffic for networks which uses external dhcp server" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq) | 14:03 |
| slaweq | I added some comment today to it, if there are any questions I can try to answer them now :) | 14:04 |
| njohnston | I commented on it: for customers that use fwaas, I was wondering if you see this as something that can be communicated to fwaas, or will it just be incompatible with fwaas? | 14:05 |
| slaweq | njohnston: I think that it depends on fwaas - there can be same thing done there as in security groups driver if this flag is set for subnet | 14:06 |
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| mlavalle | so really the attribute you propose has only effect on the "walls", be it security groups or fwaas. nothing else is changed | 14:08 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: yes | 14:09 |
| slaweq | all of that can be achieved now also | 14:09 |
| mlavalle | yes | 14:09 |
| mlavalle | but manually | 14:09 |
| slaweq | but I had such request that it would be more "user friendly" to have such additional flag to set | 14:09 |
| mlavalle | you are proposing a shortcut | 14:09 |
| slaweq | exactly :) | 14:09 |
| njohnston | OK. So if this flag gets set for an existing subnet then that would generate an RPC message to the agent to adjust the fw rules. That part of the code would need to include a notification to the fwaas plugin so it could generate an fwaas RPC message. | 14:10 |
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| mlavalle | njohnston: would that be too much of a problem in fwaas? | 14:10 |
| njohnston | I think fwaas could handle it without any issue, it's just something that would need to be built in at the api server | 14:11 |
| slaweq | njohnston: yes, so we have to keep it in mind that there is fwaas also, thx for pointing that | 14:12 |
| yamamoto | is there a plan for "how to make external dhcp server aware of what IPs should be assigned to OS instances" part? | 14:12 |
| slaweq | yamamoto: no | 14:12 |
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| slaweq | yamamoto: basically this rfe assumes that operator knows what he is doing by using this | 14:13 |
| slaweq | and what can be consequences | 14:13 |
| yamamoto | having only this shortcut seems a little strange for me. is this a scenario common enough to warrant the shortcut? | 14:14 |
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| slaweq | I had such request from our customer, I don't know if that is very common use case, probably not | 14:15 |
| mlavalle | yeah, we cannot assume is very common | 14:15 |
| yamamoto | one customer? | 14:15 |
| mlavalle | we would have heard of it before, I would think | 14:15 |
| slaweq | yep | 14:15 |
| mlavalle | maybe it is too much just for one customer / user | 14:17 |
| slaweq | it may be like that | 14:17 |
| mlavalle | I propose one of two option (or a combination of both): leave this rfe pending until somone shows up. and / or ask in the ML | 14:17 |
| slaweq | so let's maybe postpone it for now and if there will be some new requests for this, we can return it | 14:17 |
| njohnston | Is this something where it would be good to solicit feedback from the openstack-ops list? | 14:18 |
| mlavalle | yeah, ^^^^ that's what I meant by the ML | 14:18 |
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| slaweq | ok, I will send email about that to operators ML then | 14:18 |
| mlavalle | let's postpone it and ask the operators | 14:18 |
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| * mlavalle leaving comment and marking rfe postponed | 14:19 | |
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| slaweq | ok, thx | 14:19 |
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| mlavalle | Done | 14:21 |
| njohnston | last question on this: does turning things over to an external dhcp server assume disabling all ipam functionality for that subnet? | 14:21 |
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| slaweq | njohnston: no, I didn't think about that | 14:21 |
| njohnston | nm, I'll ask on launchpad and if we reveve it we can figure it out then :-) | 14:21 |
| njohnston | *revive | 14:22 |
| slaweq | njohnston: but maybe we can think about it later | 14:22 |
| mlavalle | ok, let's move on | 14:22 |
| mlavalle | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1784879 | 14:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1784879 in neutron "Neutron doesn't update Designate with some use cases" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 14:22 |
| slaweq | so if I understood corectly last comments, it would be added to network and all ports from such network will have this option turned on, right? | 14:24 |
| mlavalle | yes | 14:24 |
| mlavalle | that's what the suggestion is to hit a middleground in terms of not too little, not too much granularity | 14:25 |
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| slaweq | IMO it sounds reasonable for the beginning, if later will be need to add it on port level, it can be added easily, right? | 14:26 |
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| mlavalle | I think so. At that point we wiull need to think about whose atribute overrides other attributes. Probabble, the more granular the resource, the higher the priority | 14:28 |
| slaweq | yes, but I think that doing (later) network and port level could be enough | 14:28 |
| slaweq | and then port attribute would override network attribute | 14:29 |
| mlavalle | yeap | 14:29 |
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| slaweq | because problem with subnets is that one port can have more than one subnet so here it would be tricky | 14:29 |
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| slaweq | but port and network should be easy (as it is in e.g. QoS now) | 14:29 |
| mlavalle | that was exactly my thinking | 14:29 |
| mlavalle | the way it is implemented today, we take all the ip addresses form the port and create a recordset for all of them | 14:30 |
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| mlavalle | well, one ipv4 recordset and one ipv6 recordsert | 14:30 |
| yamamoto | as it's about ip addresses, i tend to think subnet is a more natural choice than network | 14:30 |
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| mlavalle | from the tcp / ip layers logic point of view, you are right. ip addresses are a layer above network.... | 14:33 |
| mlavalle | is that what you meant? | 14:33 |
| yamamoto | i even feel it has some correlations with service_types | 14:33 |
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| mlavalle | would you elaborate? | 14:35 |
| yamamoto | i meant subnet is more natural for this specific feature | 14:35 |
| mlavalle | would you elaborate the service types idea? | 14:36 |
| yamamoto | as a user would set up a subnet routable from outside | 14:36 |
| yamamoto | service_types describe the purpose of subnet. this new field does similar. | 14:37 |
| mlavalle | and that signals that we want that fixed ips from that range should be sent to the external DNS service | 14:37 |
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| mlavalle | right? | 14:38 |
| yamamoto | yes | 14:38 |
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| mlavalle | IMO, it is an excellent proposal | 14:38 |
| mlavalle | what do others think? | 14:39 |
| slaweq | so yamamoto You propose to use service_types field instead of adding new one somewhere? | 14:39 |
| slaweq | am I understand correctly? | 14:39 |
| yamamoto | well, i'm not suggesting to unify it with service types. (i'm not sure if it should) | 14:39 |
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| mlavalle | yes, with a new service type | 14:39 |
| yamamoto | i'm suggesting it belongs to subnet | 14:39 |
| mlavalle | but that's exactly the purpose of service types | 14:40 |
| mlavalle | to indicate that a subnet has a special treatment | 14:40 |
| mlavalle | given its service type | 14:40 |
| mlavalle | right? | 14:40 |
| slaweq | ok, but then how it would work if port would have IPs from two subnets and one would have this enabled and second no? we would need to change existing logic to create recordsets not for all IPs from port but only for some of them, right? | 14:40 |
| mlavalle | yes, but I don't think that is a big deal | 14:41 |
| yamamoto | maybe. but service type is just a string. it might not be descriptive enough for some use cases. | 14:41 |
| slaweq | I'm fine with it but just asking to understand correctly what will be to do | 14:41 |
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| mlavalle | haleyb, you are "mr service type". what do you think? | 14:42 |
| haleyb | service type is also a subset of device_owner values | 14:42 |
| haleyb | yes, i was re-educating myself | 14:42 |
| mlavalle | LOL | 14:42 |
| mlavalle | so, do you think service type is appropriate for this rfe? | 14:43 |
| haleyb | so i'm not sure how it would work given it's a device_owner, or empty | 14:43 |
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| haleyb | doesn't seem to fit the model to me at least | 14:45 |
| mlavalle | well, any other potential attribute would be the same. either the user specifeid it or it is empty / NOne | 14:45 |
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| mlavalle | fair enough | 14:45 |
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| mlavalle | based on the discussion, I suggest go back to the rfe and propose dns_publish_fixed_ip at the subnet level.... | 14:46 |
| mlavalle | opinions? | 14:46 |
| slaweq | but can't it be something like e.g. "compute:dns_publish_fixed_ip" as service type? | 14:47 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: the service_type is a list, so can contain multiple things | 14:47 |
| haleyb | and yes, it can be any string we want | 14:47 |
| slaweq | which would means that compute ports will have published IPs | 14:47 |
| mlavalle | that's what I understood^^^^^ when yamamoto originally brought up service types | 14:48 |
| yamamoto | i didn't know it was a list | 14:48 |
| slaweq | https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/extensions/subnet_service_types.py#L37 <-- here is validator of this attribute | 14:48 |
| haleyb | the intention was for IP allocation on a network based on ports getting attached | 14:48 |
| haleyb | so startswith('compute') is all it's matching in most cases | 14:49 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: so we only refere to it in the IPAM code? | 14:50 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: it's been a while, but yes from what i remember it's IPAM where we actually use the type | 14:51 |
| yamamoto | at this point i feel a separate boolean field in subnet would be simpler than overloading service types with a magic owner value | 14:53 |
| haleyb | i'd have to think some more on implementation, the [] is a wildcard match and if it's ['compute:dns_publish'] what would break? | 14:53 |
| mlavalle | from the docs: "Service subnets enable operators to define valid port types for each subnet on a network...." | 14:54 |
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| mlavalle | so based on this definition, I agree with yamamoto's latest statement | 14:54 |
| munimeha1 | hi | 14:54 |
| munimeha1 | sorry got late | 14:54 |
| slaweq | we can then break allocation of IPs from such subnet | 14:55 |
| slaweq | yamamoto++ | 14:55 |
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| mlavalle | https://docs.openstack.org/neutron/latest/admin/config-service-subnets.html | 14:55 |
| haleyb | "Creating a subnet with a service type requires administrative privileges." - that might also be a problem | 14:56 |
| mlavalle | yeah | 14:56 |
| mlavalle | so I propose I go back to the RFE, and propose dns_publish_fixed_ip at the subnet level | 14:57 |
| mlavalle | and we retake the discussion next meeting | 14:57 |
| slaweq | fine for me | 14:57 |
| yamamoto | +1 | 14:57 |
| mlavalle | ok | 14:58 |
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| mlavalle | munimeha1: We won't have time to discuss your RFE, we are 2 minutes away from end of meeting. slaweq and I left some comments in your new RFE. Let's discuss there over the next few days | 14:58 |
| mlavalle | Thanks for attending guys. Have a very nice weekend! | 14:59 |
| munimeha1 | thats fine I opened the RFEhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1794771 | 14:59 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1794771 in neutron "SRIOV trunk port - multiple vlans on same VF" [Wishlist,New] | 14:59 |
| slaweq | thx, have a good weekend! | 14:59 |
| munimeha1 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1794771 | 14:59 |
| mlavalle | munimeha1: yes, that where we left comments / question | 14:59 |
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| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Sep 28 14:59:43 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2018/neutron_drivers.2018-09-28-14.00.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2018/neutron_drivers.2018-09-28-14.00.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2018/neutron_drivers.2018-09-28-14.00.log.html | 14:59 |
| yamamoto | bye | 14:59 |
| * mlavalle doesn't want to provoke smcginnis rage ;-) | 15:00 | |
| smcginnis | :) | 15:00 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting releaseteam | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Sep 28 15:00:36 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' | 15:00 |
| smcginnis | ttx, dhellmann, fungi, armstrong, others. | 15:01 |
| smcginnis | Whew, didn't get spam blocked on that. | 15:01 |
| ttx | o/ | 15:01 |
| fungi | heyhey! | 15:01 |
| armstrong | Hello | 15:01 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stein-relmgt-tracking | 15:01 |
| smcginnis | Around line 42. | 15:01 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 15:02 |
| smcginnis | #topic Release failures | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release failures (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 15:02 | |
| smcginnis | Mostly since I was out most of the week, I was hoping we could have a quick recap of the release failures. | 15:02 |
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| smcginnis | And just a quick sanity check that everything has been fixed up. | 15:02 |
| * dhellmann clears his throat nervously | 15:02 | |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: It was some package update? | 15:02 |
| fungi | twine | 15:03 |
| dhellmann | twine version 1.12.0 reported a failure even when it succeeded | 15:03 |
| fungi | 1.12.1 | 15:03 |
| fungi | had the fix | 15:03 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 15:03 |
| smcginnis | Well that doesn't sound like a good thing. :) | 15:03 |
| dhellmann | after spending a bunch of time figuring that out, I decided to wait for the new twine release and re-tag all of the releases I had already approved | 15:04 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: I saw you had the tracking etherpad for failures in the tracking etherpad. Anything we need to check in there? | 15:04 |
| dhellmann | because there were a lot of them, and some of the artifacts had been uploaded, so rerunning the existing tags would be a lot of work | 15:04 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, good call. | 15:04 |
| dhellmann | when twine 1.12.1 was released I tested it with the release-test repo, and it worked fine | 15:04 |
| dhellmann | so I prepared a single patch to retag all of the deliverables we missed with new patch-level updates to their version numbers | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | those all went through OK | 15:05 |
| smcginnis | Thanks for handling all of that. | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | I think I missed rally in that set, so we came back later and did a new release of rally separately | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | that release actually included a fix or two, so it wasn't a direct retag | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | and I have now learned to test the release machinery before approving a bunch of things on a monday morning :-) | 15:05 |
| smcginnis | :) | 15:06 |
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| smcginnis | Just running a quick missing-releases report, there are some older rally ones missing, but otherwise everything looks fine. | 15:07 |
| smcginnis | And actually, just the one expected missing and a bunch of older asc files. | 15:07 |
| dhellmann | yeah, so we could comment out the missing one or just leave it | 15:08 |
| smcginnis | So probably nothing we need to change or document with this whole situation other than maybe be cautious Monday mornings. :) | 15:08 |
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| smcginnis | #topic PTG proposed changes | 15:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG proposed changes (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 15:09 | |
| ttx | that's vague | 15:09 |
| smcginnis | I sent out the first part of the plan we discussed in Denver for dropping milestone releases. | 15:09 |
| ttx | ah, THOSE | 15:09 |
| smcginnis | Surprisingly less of a reaction than I expected. | 15:09 |
| ttx | mine at least did trigger one answer | 15:10 |
| smcginnis | So next step is probably to make the cycle-with-rc change. | 15:10 |
| smcginnis | Should we rename the existing model or introduce it as a new one? Probably just rename? | 15:10 |
| fungi | i expect the forced tagging of cycle-with-intermediary will be the controversial one, of any | 15:11 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, that one will be a bigger one. | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis : let's make a new one. it will mean fewer updates to existing deliverable files | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | we can switch just the stein deliverables and set up validation to disallow the old name in new releases | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | or new series I should say | 15:11 |
| ttx | rename yes | 15:11 |
| smcginnis | I was thinking new one would be safer. | 15:12 |
| ttx | ah hm | 15:12 |
| ttx | your call | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | backwards compatibility ftw? | 15:13 |
| smcginnis | OK, how about we start with introducing a new model, and if we find we want to later, we can convert exising -milestone ones over to -rc and get rid of it after the fact? | 15:14 |
| dhellmann | well, we're going to want to convert the stein one over, and the older ones don't matter at this point | 15:15 |
| ttx | dhellmann: so the trick with a new one is that we'll have to lave old doc around ? | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | I just meant we would need fewer exceptions for checking the release model in those older files if we keep the old name | 15:15 |
| smcginnis | Yeah | 15:15 |
| ttx | leave* | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | let me look at the validation quickly, hang on | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | ok, the validation relies on the schema.yaml file | 15:16 |
| dhellmann | so we can leave the old name in there and remove the docs for it | 15:16 |
| smcginnis | Sounds reasonable to me. | 15:16 |
| ttx | ok | 15:16 |
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| dhellmann | then we can add a validation rule that says cycle-with-milestones can't be used in the current series | 15:17 |
| dhellmann | we can do that in the validate_new_releases() function | 15:18 |
| dhellmann | that's what that's for | 15:18 |
| smcginnis | Looks like enough of a plan. | 15:18 |
| dhellmann | there are probably some tests to update, too, but it ought to be doable with 1 patch | 15:18 |
| smcginnis | Then next step - I can send out the cycle-with-intermediary post early next week. | 15:19 |
| smcginnis | That will probably result in more discussion. | 15:19 |
| smcginnis | #link | 15:19 |
| smcginnis | Bah | 15:19 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stein-relmgt-auto-release-change | 15:19 |
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| smcginnis | Those drafts again ^ | 15:19 |
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| dhellmann | yes, I think that's the next step | 15:21 |
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| ttx | I think email 2 can be sent next week | 15:21 |
| ttx | maybe also email 3 | 15:22 |
| smcginnis | I'll shoot for Tuesday or Wednesday. | 15:22 |
| armstrong | @smcginnis: So cycle-with-milestones will no longer be use at all | 15:22 |
| armstrong | I missed the discussion at Denver | 15:23 |
| smcginnis | armstrong: Correct. We're going to try dropping milestone releases for service projects and only require the RC and final releases. | 15:23 |
| dhellmann | armstrong : right, cycle-with-rc is a variation on that one | 15:23 |
| smcginnis | They can still do earlier beta releases if they have a need, but it isn't going to be something that we are going to enforce or necessarily encourage. | 15:23 |
| ttx | smcginnis: we are dropping requirements to tag at milestones, so the name did not make that much sense anymore | 15:23 |
| ttx | err armstrong ^ | 15:24 |
| smcginnis | :) | 15:24 |
| armstrong | Ok. Thanks | 15:24 |
| smcginnis | #topic Open discussion | 15:24 |
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| smcginnis | Anything else we should cover at this point? | 15:25 |
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| fungi | armstrong: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-September/135088.html was the announcement | 15:25 |
| ttx | I don't have anything. Making good progress on other work lines | 15:25 |
| dhellmann | since it's long, I wanted to make sure everyone noticed my planned 2 week vacation coming up in R-25 and R-26 | 15:25 |
| dhellmann | sorry, 25 and 24 | 15:26 |
| lbragstad | nice - enjoy the time off dhellmann :) | 15:26 |
| armstrong | @fungi: great! I will go through it | 15:26 |
| ttx | been engaging with teams that publish artifacts in external platforms to expose taht in the project navigator | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | lbragstad : thanks! | 15:26 |
| smcginnis | Wow, two whole weeks! | 15:27 |
| ttx | I'll be heavily traveling (read: in China) over weeks -25 and -26 | 15:27 |
| smcginnis | I think I have all my travel on the etherpad. | 15:27 |
| ttx | (and in Europe) | 15:27 |
| smcginnis | But that reminds me, I will be on a plane next Friday at this time. | 15:27 |
| smcginnis | Does someone want to run that meeting, or should we just cancel? | 15:28 |
| dhellmann | do we have anything critical on the schedule? | 15:29 |
| smcginnis | Not really at this point. | 15:29 |
| smcginnis | We're still a few weeks out to milestone 1. | 15:29 |
| ttx | yay long cycles | 15:29 |
| smcginnis | We have a few tasks in progress, but nothing I think is critical for timing right now. | 15:29 |
| dhellmann | yeah, so we could just plan on office hours or one of us could run the meeting | 15:30 |
| ttx | dhellmann: a way to have perfect 6-month cycles would be to adopt something like https://xkcd.com/2050/ | 15:30 |
| smcginnis | Let's plan on office hours unless something comes up next week that warrants an actual meeting. | 15:30 |
| smcginnis | Hah | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | ttx: sounds like UTC to me, frankly | 15:31 |
| * fungi still remembers swatch beat time | 15:31 | |
| dhellmann | heh | 15:32 |
| smcginnis | OK, we can make a call next week on a meeting. That's all I had for this week's. | 15:32 |
| ttx | Summits should be on April 15 and October 15, and teh year and time shoudl organize around them to match when they actually occur | 15:32 |
| dhellmann | I keep saying we'd have less trouble coordinating with venues if we just bought one. | 15:32 |
| dhellmann | we could rent it out to other foundations to cover the mortgage | 15:32 |
| dhellmann | and then they would have to schedule around us | 15:33 |
| fungi | the stackdrome | 15:33 |
| smcginnis | Are buildings in Detroit still cheap? :) | 15:33 |
| fungi | depends on if you need them to have walls and roofs | 15:33 |
| dhellmann | I saw a ton of buildings for sale in Glasgow a couple of months ago | 15:33 |
| smcginnis | fungi: "Open" source? | 15:33 |
| fungi | open air | 15:34 |
| fungi | the fifth open | 15:34 |
| smcginnis | OK, I think this meeting was done awhile ago now. :) | 15:34 |
| smcginnis | Thanks everyone. | 15:34 |
| fungi | thanks smcginnis! | 15:34 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 15:34 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 15:34 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Sep 28 15:34:43 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2018/releaseteam.2018-09-28-15.00.html | 15:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2018/releaseteam.2018-09-28-15.00.txt | 15:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2018/releaseteam.2018-09-28-15.00.log.html | 15:34 |
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