Wednesday, 2018-10-03

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jungleboyj#startmeeting Cinder16:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Oct  3 16:00:20 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jungleboyj. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'cinder'16:00
jungleboyjAgenda link:
jungleboyjeharney is back!16:01
_pewp_jungleboyj \( ・_・)16:01
jungleboyjOk.  So, it looks like we have a Quorum.16:02
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jungleboyjLets get started.16:02
jungleboyj#topic announcements16:03
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* jungleboyj is apparently struggling to control the meeting.16:03
jungleboyjI have sent out an e-mail to the mailing list proposing geguileo_PTO  as a stable core.16:03
jungleboyjWe discussed that at the PTG so that shouldn't be a huge surprise.  :-)16:04
jungleboyjIf anyone has concerns please let me know.16:04
jungleboyjAlso, I am working on getting releases of python-cinderclient and os-brick out.16:04
jungleboyjI looked and it doesn't seem like there are too many outstanding patches.  Does anyone have anything important they need to get in before I do releases?16:05
* smcginnis looks16:05
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smcginnisLooks like we're in decent shape for a release to me.16:06
jungleboyjA reminder that we have an etherpad to talk about the mid-cycle:
smcginniserlon: Can you check the response to your comments on
e0nethere is nothing important to release python-brick-cinderclient-ext16:07
erlonsmcginnis, I will16:07
jungleboyjWe have lots of remote attendees.16:07
jungleboyjHope we could get some more on-site participation.16:07
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jungleboyjPlease add topics as you come up with them.16:09
jungleboyjerlon:  Yeah, if you can address that it would be appreciated and then we can do another release there.16:09
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jungleboyjsmcginnis:  Thanks for double checking and confirming that things look pretty good.16:10
erlonjungleboyj, smcginnis, yeah, comment was most something to be improved, but its a backport so16:10
jungleboyjerlon:  Yeah.16:10
erlonjungleboyj, are you releasing for rock as well?16:10
jungleboyjerlon:  That is the plan if there are sufficient changes.  I haven't checked how many there have been.16:11
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jungleboyjerlon: Thank you.16:12
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smcginnisrosmaita: Yay16:12
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  ?16:12
smcginnisjungleboyj: Just saw that he had added his name to the midcycle attendance list.16:13
rosmaitanot guaranteed attendance yet, though16:13
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  Oh.  Yay indeed!  will be nice to have you there rosmaita !16:13
jungleboyjOk, moving on from Announcements.16:14
jungleboyj#topic Image Encryption Proposal16:14
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jungleboyjLuzi: and mhen  You here?16:14
mhenhello all :)16:14
Luzihi :)16:14
mhenas already announced on the ML we want to propose the introduction of image encryption in OpenStack16:14
_pewp_jungleboyj (ஐ╹◡╹)ノ16:15
jungleboyjRight, have seen the notes on that.16:15
mhenthis will have impact on several projects including Cinder as well as Nova, Glance and OSC - for which we are currently writing individual specs16:15
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mhenfor Cinder we basically want to add image decryption when converting an encrypted image into a volume16:15
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* smcginnis is glad eharney is back for this16:16
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  Me too.16:16
mhen(plus incorporating the already existing case of creating images from encrypted volumes, as eharney also mentioned on the ML today)16:16
mhenour proposal for creating volumes from encrypted images would focus on volume backends supporting encryption, starting with Ceph and LVM - as we don't see a point in allowing encrypted images to be converted into unencrypted volumes16:17
mhenany opinions on that?16:17
eharneyit seems like a reasonable idea, but folks relying on the glance<->cinder optimized cloning of images to volumes inside of Ceph are going to take a big perf hit when using this16:18
eharneywhich is fine, just needs to be well understood16:18
smcginnisDoes anyone actually use ceph?16:18
erloneharney, why do loose the optimized cloning if you are not decrypting?16:19
eharneyi just started looking at this today but i haven't come up with any big objections to the general idea16:19
eharneyerlon: they have to decrypt if it's a gpg based encryption which is totally different from the normal luks volume encryption16:20
erloneharney, so, only if is a gpg?16:20
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erlonis it possible to use the same encryption method?16:21
eharneywell the proposal is that the images will be encrypted w/ gpg16:21
eharneyi don't think so, because they want to use a streamable format16:21
erlongot it16:21
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jungleboyjThoughts on not supporting going from an encrypted image to a non-encrypted volume?16:23
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eharneyi'm not sure i understand the reason for that restriction16:24
jungleboyjIt seems to be that there are people who may have a backend that doesn't support encryption but want to access an encrypted image.16:24
jungleboyjWe could handle that like we do with other things like this where we don't allow it by default but allow the user to enable it if that is what they want.16:24
mhenjungleboyj, fair point. However, the goal of the image encryption is to keep the data safe no matter where the image is transferred to and handled. Converting it into an unencrypted volume would mean exposing the data on this host essentially.16:26
eharneyif you consider a deployment where the Glance storage is in some less secured area than the Cinder backend, it makes sense to decrypt an image to an unencrypted volume16:26
eharneyit ends up exposed on the compute host anyway when it's attached16:26
jungleboyjmhen:  Yeah.  That is why we would make it an option and default to not allowing it.16:27
mheneharney, with native LUKS this shouldn't be the case or am I wrong?16:27
mhenin QEMU/LibVirt16:28
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eharneyi forget, do we support QEMU's luks layer for iSCSI yet?  either way, i think most deployments use device-mapper for decryption16:28
jungleboyjeharney:  Good question.  I am not sure.16:29
jungleboyjAnyway, we don't have to solve the design issues right here.16:29
eharneyi can participate in spec reviews for this16:30
jungleboyjIt looks like other projects are adopting this functionality and it is something that we should also support.16:30
mheneharney, we would definetly appreciate that :)16:30
jungleboyjeharney:  That would be appreciated.16:31
jungleboyjSo, any objections to a spec being proposed and us supporting this effort?16:32
rosmaitano objection, makes sense for cinder to do this if glance/nova are doing it16:33
jungleboyjrosmaita:  Yep.  :-)16:33
smcginnisIt sounds like a good thing to support, so I think we should at least work through the spec and see if we can work through any issues.16:33
rosmaitaand ironic16:33
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  ++16:33
jungleboyj#action Luzi mhen  to propose a spec for implementation in Cinder16:34
mhenwe will do, thanks for your support :)16:34
jungleboyj#action team to review the spec and work through design details16:34
mhenwe are currently planning to outsource the encryption/decryption functionality into the SDK, because it is used across several components, including Cinder16:34
jungleboyj#action eharney  to provide Cinder encryption expertise.16:34
mhenwould that be alright for you?16:34
smcginnisMakes sense.16:35
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mhenit's currently not in the requirements for Cinder, so it would need to be added16:35
jungleboyjmhen:  Is that the approach being taken in other services?16:36
mhenjungleboyj, we don't know yet; we are currently still reaching out to all the other teams as well16:37
smcginnisHaving common things in a library will be much better than copying and pasting into each project.16:38
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  ++16:38
jungleboyjYeah, so obviously we would be open to that.16:38
smcginnismhen: Is this a library that is already tracked in openstack/requirements?16:38
Luziits used in the openstack-client for example16:38
smcginnisPerfect. Should be fine then.16:39
mhencalled "openstacksdk"16:39
eharneycinder would use openstacksdk?16:39
rosmaitathat seems counterintuitive16:40
jungleboyjeharney:  That is how I am reading it.16:40
mhenanother alternative would have been glanceclient, but I thought the individual client libraries are to be unified in the SDK?16:41
eharneyyeah, it sounds not so great to me16:41
smcginnisAnyway, details we can work through in the implementation.16:41
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  ++16:41
rosmaitamhen: you may want to take a look at how the image signature stuff was pulled out into the cursive library for both glance and nova to consume16:42
rosmaitai think that may be a more typical pattern16:42
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jungleboyjSo, lets move on.16:43
mhenrosmaita, that's quite funny - we recently added image signature generation to osc, where we first added it to cursive library but the devs suggested moving it to the sdk16:43
jungleboyjAre there any other topics or should we spend a few minutes on bug triage?16:43
rosmaitamhen: interesting16:44
jungleboyjOk.  Looks like we can move on.  #topic bug triage16:45
jungleboyj#topic bug trieage16:45
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jungleboyj#topic bug triage16:45
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* jungleboyj glares at smcginnis 16:45
jungleboyjFirst, eharney  we have been waiting for you input on this bug:16:46
openstackLaunchpad bug 1788619 in Cinder "disk cachemodes should be restricted with multiattached volumes" [High,New]16:46
eharneywell this one's easy to triage for cinder - it's a nova issue :)16:46
jungleboyjeharney:  Oh, ok.16:47
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jungleboyjSo, there isn't anything we need to do here?16:47
jungleboyjOk.  That is good.16:48
jungleboyjeharney:  Thanks.16:49
openstackLaunchpad bug 1782714 in Cinder "Properties of an attached volume are lost after live migration" [Medium,New]16:50
jungleboyjSo, it looks like the reporter responded to this one.16:50
jungleboyjwhoami-rajat:  Did anyone get a chance to look at this?16:50
whoami-rajatjungleboyj: don't think so.16:51
whoami-rajatgeguileo_PTO:  has been off since past 2-3 days i guess16:51
jungleboyjOk.  And he had taken a look at that.  So.  Follow up when he is back.16:52
jungleboyjwhoami-rajat:  Other bugs to look at?16:52
whoami-rajatjungleboyj: yes16:52
openstackLaunchpad bug 1793364 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "mysql db opportunistic unit tests timing out intermittently in the gate (bad thread switch?)" [High,Confirmed]16:52
whoami-rajatjungleboyj: ok will do16:53
jungleboyjHmmm, ok.  So looks like this is being seen across multiple projects.16:54
whoami-rajatjungleboyj: yes, the manila team confirmed it too on their gate.16:54
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jungleboyjmriedem:  Confirmed in Cinder.16:56
whoami-rajatjungleboyj: yes, cause the problem was originally found in nova and cinder.16:56
openstackLaunchpad bug 1789944 in Cinder "cinder-tempest-plugin CG tests are broken" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Miriam Yumi (miriamyumi)16:57
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erlonSomeone else was mentioning the bugs on the consistency group tests a few weeks ago16:58
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erlonthe fix should be ready:
erlonoops, fix:
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jungleboyjerlon:  Ah, good.  Hopefully we can get that through.16:59
jungleboyjeharney: smcginnis  ^^17:00
jungleboyjOtherwise, will need to look into the next bug that whoami-rajat  has proposed.17:00
jungleboyjAnd with that.  We are out of time here.17:00
jungleboyjThank you everyone for meeting.17:00
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notmyname#startmeeting swift21:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Oct  3 21:00:19 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'swift'21:00
notmynamewho's here for the swift team meeting?21:00
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rledisezhi o/21:01
notmynameagain, not a super full agenda, so let's see if it's another short one :-)21:01
notmynamein lieu of any specific topics, let's look at the priority reviews page21:02
notmyname#topic priority reviews21:02
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notmynamemattoliverau: you've been reviewing the keymaster patches, I think21:03
mattoliverauI have21:03
notmynameanything to report or anything to bring up with those?21:03
mattoliverauThere looking good. A little more work, doc and tests, but otherwise should land soon21:04
notmynamem_kazuhiro or rledisez: any updates for task queue work?21:05
notmyname(sorry, got distracted from the keyboard for a moment)21:05
m_kazuhironothing, in this week.21:05
notmynameI don't see any reviews on
patchbotpatch 601950 - swift - Enable to configure object-expirer in object-serve... - 4 patch sets21:05
notmynamerledisez: are you (or other ovh) planning on reviewing that patch?21:06
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rlediseznotmyname: i'm planning to review it21:07
notmynamegreat :-)21:07
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notmynamethere are 6 open s3api patches from timburke. these are all patches we were carrying internally for swift3 (I think many/all had been proposed, just not landed)21:08
notmynametdasilva: were you wanting someone else to review ?21:08
patchbotpatch 575829 - swift - Change PUT bucket conflict error - 8 patch sets21:08
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notmynamesame question to zaitcev on
patchbotpatch 604208 - swift - s3api: Increase max body size for Delete Multiple ... - 3 patch sets21:08
zaitcevWhat was the question?21:09
notmynamezaitcev: ah, sorry. you just came in. I was asking if there's something else you're waiting for on
patchbotpatch 604208 - swift - s3api: Increase max body size for Delete Multiple ... - 3 patch sets21:09
tdasilvai have a little nit comment with my +2 and was kind of waiting from tburke's feedback to see if he just preferred that we merged as is or if he wanted to update21:10
notmynametdasilva: ok. I'll let you and timburke work it out then :-)21:11
timburkeyeah, i was torn about breaking it out as a separate test entirely -- i *did* intentionally push the maybe-skipped parts of the test to the end, so if an earlier part *fails* you'd still know...21:11
notmynamezaitcev: if you're not looking for more changes (you added a +2 already) or if you want someone else to look, that's fine. just trying to see if there's something that can land or not21:11
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zaitcevWell, it's S321:11
zaitcevAlthough, the subject of the change is not one of the dusty corners like freeform ACLs21:12
notmynamein the interest of transparency, the s3api patches are a bit of a priority for swiftstack. since we've been shipping swift3 for a while, we want to get the s3api middleware to a point where we can drop-in replace it before we go adding new s3api features21:13
zaitcevI thought Tim and Kota owned the field.21:13
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notmynamezaitcev: it's ok. and timur reviewed it too (and positively), so that's a good sign.21:13
zaitcevoooh, I see. Tim was the author21:14
notmynamezaitcev: if it makes you feel any better about it, all of the s3api patches that are on the priority reviews page are ones that we are running in production. doesn't mean they don't have bugs, but they probably don't do terrible things either21:14
kota_that means i should visit it :P21:14
zaitcevkota_: I approved it just now...21:15
notmyname( timburke will probably remind me that, yes, it is actually possible to run code in prod that does terrible things ;-)21:15
timburkethanks zaitcev!21:15
kota_zaitcev: great, thanks!21:15
notmynamekota_: don't worry! there are more you can look at too :-)21:15
notmynamemattoliverau: thanks for reviewing
patchbotpatch 507808 - swift - Add ability to undelete an account. - 19 patch sets21:15
notmynameI know the authors have been working on it for a while21:16
notmynamemattoliverau: looks like you offered to work with them on making it something that's a little better operationally21:16
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notmynamerledisez: this patch would be nice to have you or someone from ovh looking at too. it's mostly around ops procedures21:17
mattoliverauYeah, and theyve responded, so I'll loop back round on it21:17
mattoliverauYeah +10021:17
notmynamemattoliverau: looks like you've also got a -1 on timburke's client patch at
patchbotpatch 577584 - python-swiftclient - Stop leaking quite so many connections - 1 patch set21:17
notmyname...and tests fail21:17
timburkeyeah, i should really go back and address that...21:18
notmynametimburke: I'm guessing this is one you're not looking at right now... :-)21:18
mattoliverauMan, I've been sleep deprived and seems busy :p21:18
notmynamemattoliverau: seems to me that you're embarrassing us all with how much you're reviewing! making the rest of us look bad! nice work :-)21:18
notmynameok, that's all the specific patches listed on the priority reviews page21:19
notmynamerledisez: anything to share this week about losf?21:19
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rlediseznotmyname: no, nothing in particular. alexuyer will focus on ops tools21:20
notmynamem_kazuhiro: anything new to share on the task queue work?21:20
m_kazuhiroNo. The patch in priority review is the latest.21:21
notmynamekota_: mattoliverau: anything else from you this week?21:21
notmynamekota_: ?21:22
mattoliverauHopefully he's off reviewing s3api patches :p21:22
notmynamefrom the swiftstack side, beyond the s3api patches, we've been mostly focused on integrating existing features (eg kmip, sharding, etc)21:23
notmynameI got word form the openstack foundation that there will be a project onboarding session21:24
kota_i just want to make sure the status of LOSF work to rledisez21:24
mattoliverauOh speaking of encryption, I have the multi key KMS keymaster which would be good to get it.21:24
notmynameI wasn't expecting it, but I'll work on preparing for it (anything you can share mattoliverau will be helpful)21:24
notmynamemattoliverau: cool21:24
notmynamekota_: he said there wasn't anthing new to share this week (losf)21:25
rledisezkota_: yes, for now everything is fine for us on the "upstream side", we are focusing on moving our production to the latest LOSF version (that is a bit ahead of what's on gerrit)21:25
notmynameok, last call for any other topics. anything else to bring up this week?21:25
kota_i see, thanks21:25
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notmynameall right21:26
notmynamethanks for your work on swift21:26
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