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| samP | Hi all for masakari | 04:00 |
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| samP | #startmeeting masakari | 04:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 30 04:00:10 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is samP. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 04:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'masakari' | 04:00 |
| samP | Hi all for masakari | 04:00 |
| sagara | samP: Hi | 04:00 |
| samP | sagara: Hi | 04:01 |
| tpatil | Hi | 04:01 |
| samP | tpatil: Hi | 04:01 |
| samP | Let's start | 04:01 |
| samP | #topic Critical Bugs/patches | 04:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Critical Bugs/patches (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 04:02 | |
| samP | Any bug or patches to discuss? | 04:02 |
| samP | Need to fix the status for fixed bugs and clean up all the bug reports. | 04:04 |
| samP | I will do it this week. | 04:04 |
| sagara | samP: thanks | 04:04 |
| samP | If any critical bugs or patches please bring them up any time | 04:04 |
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| samP | Let's go to next topic | 04:04 |
| samP | #topic Stein Work Items | 04:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stein Work Items (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 04:05 | |
| samP | BTW I update the meeting wiki page | 04:05 |
| samP | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Masakari | 04:05 |
| tpatil | Notification implementation: We will push patches soon | 04:07 |
| samP | I list up current work items under "Discussion points" | 04:07 |
| samP | Please report if you have any update on items | 04:07 |
| samP | tpatil: Thanks. | 04:07 |
| tpatil | Specs : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/473057/ | 04:08 |
| tpatil | Please review above specs proposed by Honjo san long time ago | 04:08 |
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| tpatil | Secondly, we are also working on add event info for each kind of masakari notification (HOST/INSTANCE/PROCESS) | 04:10 |
| tpatil | This point I will add in the wiki page | 04:10 |
| samP | tpatil: OK, I will. This spec propose versioned notification format. Have you take a look about those formats? | 04:10 |
| samP | tpatil: goit, thanks | 04:11 |
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| tpatil | Yes, this format is common IMO for all services. Important point is payload in the notification format. | 04:12 |
| samP | tpatil: OK then, I will read this again and post my comments. | 04:14 |
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| tpatil | samP: Thanks | 04:15 |
| tpatil | Continue ansible support for Masakari | 04:15 |
| tpatil | Not resumed yet in this cycle | 04:15 |
| samP | tpatil: I will share details about test environments, so you may starting the tests for this. | 04:17 |
| samP | tpatil: sorry for the delay | 04:17 |
| tpatil | samP: Thank you | 04:17 |
| samP | Any other updates? | 04:19 |
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| tpatil | Deprecate python-masakariclient | 04:19 |
| tpatil | I will add deprecation warning | 04:20 |
| tpatil | and upload patch in this week | 04:20 |
| samP | tpatil: thanks. I will send the mail to ML about this. | 04:20 |
| tpatil | Add functional tests to openstacksdk | 04:21 |
| tpatil | Some of the newly added tests are failing randomly so checking this issue | 04:21 |
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| samP | tpatil: are these patches in gerrit? | 04:23 |
| tpatil | Not yet | 04:24 |
| samP | tpatil: OK got it. | 04:24 |
| tpatil | will propose these patches in this week | 04:24 |
| samP | tpatil: NP, thanks | 04:24 |
| samP | Do not have updates for Ironic HA and Force Stonith | 04:25 |
| samP | #topic AOB | 04:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "AOB (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 04:26 | |
| samP | We got a slot for project updates in Berlin Summit | 04:26 |
| samP | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/berlin-2018/summit-schedule/events/22953/masakari-project-update | 04:26 |
| samP | Please let me know if you wish to speak in this session. | 04:27 |
| samP | I am the current speaker, however I can ask them to add you. | 04:27 |
| samP | Or If you would like me to talk about any specific topic in this session, please let me know. | 04:28 |
| samP | I will try to share my slides before summit. | 04:28 |
| samP | (2) Openstack Technical Vision statement | 04:29 |
| tpatil | I think we should talk about the event details of workflow that we are planning to add in stein | 04:29 |
| samP | tpatil: sure, good point. | 04:30 |
| samP | Please read the mail sent my Zane, about Openstack Technical Vision | 04:31 |
| samP | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-October/136015.html | 04:32 |
| samP | Please review the vision statement | 04:32 |
| samP | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/592205/4 | 04:33 |
| samP | That's all from my side. | 04:33 |
| samP | Any thing else? | 04:33 |
| samP | Otherwise, we could finish this meeting early. | 04:34 |
| tpatil | samP: Will read vision statement and update you if I find any important point to be included in the vision statement for masakari | 04:34 |
| tpatil | No other topics from my end | 04:35 |
| samP | tpatil: thanks | 04:35 |
| sagara | samP: I also don't have other topics, thanks. | 04:35 |
| samP | OK then, if you have any other issues or need extended discussion about above please use openstack-dev ML with [masakari] or IRC #openstack-masakari @freenode | 04:36 |
| samP | Thank you all! and have nice week ahead! | 04:36 |
| samP | #endmeeting | 04:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 30 04:36:55 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 04:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2018/masakari.2018-10-30-04.00.html | 04:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2018/masakari.2018-10-30-04.00.txt | 04:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2018/masakari.2018-10-30-04.00.log.html | 04:37 |
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| dkushwaha | #startmeeting tacker | 08:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 30 08:02:02 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dkushwaha. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 08:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 08:02 |
| dkushwaha | #topic Roll Call | 08:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 08:02 | |
| dkushwaha | who is here for Tacker weekly meeting ? | 08:02 |
| phuoc | hi | 08:02 |
| joxyuki | hi tewam | 08:02 |
| longkb | o/ | 08:02 |
| joxyuki | team | 08:02 |
| dkushwaha | hi team | 08:04 |
| dkushwaha | ok lets start | 08:06 |
| dkushwaha | #chair phuoc | 08:06 |
| openstack | Current chairs: dkushwaha phuoc | 08:06 |
| dkushwaha | #topic bp/mistral-monitor-policy | 08:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bp/mistral-monitor-policy (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 08:07 | |
| dkushwaha | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/486924 | 08:07 |
| dkushwaha | phuoc, had you chance to test this patch? | 08:07 |
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| phuoc | not yet, I have limit resource for testing this feature | 08:08 |
| dkushwaha | i am just working on hardcoaded project_name | 08:08 |
| dkushwaha | hi team, coud you please review and test the patch. | 08:08 |
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| dkushwaha | I am thinking to land this asap | 08:09 |
| phuoc | I will find some time to test that patch | 08:09 |
| dkushwaha | i feel it is framework change which needs proper testing(even after code merge), so we will have sufficient time before Stein release | 08:10 |
| dkushwaha | ..for bugs etc | 08:10 |
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| phuoc | I think it is fine | 08:11 |
| dkushwaha | #topic bp/vdu-auto-healing | 08:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bp/vdu-auto-healing (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 08:13 | |
| dkushwaha | bhagyashris_, do you have something on that? | 08:13 |
| dkushwaha | joxyuki, ^ | 08:14 |
| bhagyashris_ | I have fixed all the review comments and uploaded implementation patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/612595/ for review | 08:14 |
| bhagyashris_ | Request to review the patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/612595/ Thank you :) | 08:15 |
| dkushwaha | bhagyashris_, i have just looked on overview code, overall it looks good to me, I will review it by today. | 08:17 |
| bhagyashris_ | Ok thank you :) | 08:17 |
| phuoc | bhagyashris_, you did a good job :) | 08:17 |
| bhagyashris_ | And Thank you for review the spec :) | 08:18 |
| joxyuki | thanks for review team! | 08:18 |
| dkushwaha | phuoc, do you have any query on spec? | 08:18 |
| bhagyashris_ | phuoc: Thank you :) | 08:19 |
| dkushwaha | or it can be merged? | 08:19 |
| phuoc | I look at that patch | 08:19 |
| phuoc | LGTM too | 08:19 |
| phuoc | I think we can test and it can be merged | 08:19 |
| dkushwaha | phuoc, +1 | 08:20 |
| joxyuki | phouc, I cannot understand your comment on the spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/603558/3/specs/stein/vdu-auto-healing.rst | 08:21 |
| dkushwaha | ok, i will just test code patch, in case of no issue i will first merge spec, and then look on code | 08:21 |
| joxyuki | what do you mean "to move the monitoring policy to Policy Type"? | 08:21 |
| phuoc | I mean we can move the monitoring policy in each VDU to Policy Type | 08:22 |
| phuoc | https://github.com/openstack/tacker/blob/master/samples/tosca-templates/vnfd/tosca-vnfd-alarm-respawn.yaml#L40 | 08:23 |
| phuoc | it will be placed in policies | 08:23 |
| joxyuki | got it | 08:23 |
| phuoc | but it is not now, we can improve it later | 08:24 |
| joxyuki | sounds good :) | 08:24 |
| dkushwaha | phuoc, +1 | 08:24 |
| dkushwaha | joxyuki, do you have something more to discuss? | 08:25 |
| joxyuki | no | 08:26 |
| dkushwaha | phuoc ^ | 08:26 |
| phuoc | I only have some minor patches need to review | 08:27 |
| dkushwaha | phuoc, ok | 08:27 |
| phuoc | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/611785, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/611478 | 08:27 |
| phuoc | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/612273, and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/590455 | 08:28 |
| dkushwaha | joxyuki, bhagyashris_ longkb , I request you all to please help on review part | 08:29 |
| dkushwaha | #topic Open Discussion | 08:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 08:30 | |
| dkushwaha | longkb, Thanks for code cleanup patches. | 08:30 |
| longkb | thank you very much! dkushwaha | 08:31 |
| longkb | If you need my help, please let me know about it | 08:31 |
| dkushwaha | longkb, sure. | 08:32 |
| dkushwaha | :) | 08:32 |
| longkb | +1 | 08:32 |
| dkushwaha | Team, we have some very good initiatives specs by Aliaksandr | 08:33 |
| dkushwaha | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:grechny.alexander%2540gmail.com+status:open | 08:33 |
| dkushwaha | but seems slow progress on that. | 08:33 |
| phuoc | yes, they are good features for Tacker | 08:34 |
| dkushwaha | anyone had chance to reach Aliaksandr or other contributors? | 08:35 |
| phuoc | no, I don't have their contact | 08:37 |
| dkushwaha | ok | 08:37 |
| dkushwaha | #topic BerlinSummit | 08:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "BerlinSummit (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 08:37 | |
| dkushwaha | phuoc, joxyuki bhagyashris_ longkb are you going to join summit? | 08:38 |
| bhagyashris_ | yes | 08:38 |
| longkb | No, I will not :( | 08:38 |
| phuoc | I can not join this summit, I hope to see you guys next year | 08:39 |
| joxyuki | yes | 08:39 |
| joxyuki | oh,,, that is sad news.... | 08:39 |
| dkushwaha | phuoc, longkb, will miss you guys | 08:39 |
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| longkb | Me too. Hope that we can stay together somewhere in the world :) | 08:41 |
| dkushwaha | longkb, I remembered our barcelona meetup :) | 08:42 |
| dkushwaha | ok, Thanks Folks | 08:42 |
| longkb | No, I only attend Sydney summit :) We have been on the same hotel | 08:42 |
| dkushwaha | Closing this meeting for now | 08:42 |
| phuoc | Thank you guys :) | 08:42 |
| joxyuki | bye | 08:42 |
| dkushwaha | #endmeeting | 08:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 08:43 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 30 08:43:01 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2018/tacker.2018-10-30-08.02.html | 08:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2018/tacker.2018-10-30-08.02.txt | 08:43 |
| longkb | bye gúy | 08:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2018/tacker.2018-10-30-08.02.log.html | 08:43 |
| dkushwaha | longkb, yea, it was sydny | 08:43 |
| phuoc | dkushwaha, that's right :) | 08:44 |
| dkushwaha | phuoc, :) | 08:46 |
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| slaweq | #startmeeting neutron_ci | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 30 16:00:11 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is slaweq. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ci' | 16:00 |
| slaweq | hello everyone | 16:00 |
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| slaweq | hi mlavalle :) | 16:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 16:00 |
| mlavalle | am I late? | 16:00 |
| slaweq | no, You are first actually | 16:01 |
| mlavalle | if yes, blame frickler and bcafarel | 16:01 |
| slaweq | (except me who started this meeting) | 16:01 |
| slaweq | I know, it's always bcafarel's fault :P | 16:01 |
| slaweq | haleyb, njohnston: hongbin: manjeets: CI meeting - are You around? | 16:01 |
| bcafarel | not this time, I even held on a question I have for mlavalle :p | 16:01 |
| njohnston | o/ | 16:02 |
| bcafarel | and o/ btw | 16:02 |
| manjeets | o/ | 16:02 |
| * njohnston was lurking | 16:02 | |
| slaweq | ok, lets start then | 16:02 |
| slaweq | #topic Actions from previous meetings | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from previous meetings (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:02 | |
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| slaweq | slaweq to continue checking how jobs will run on Bionic nodes | 16:02 |
| slaweq | I was checking it a bit | 16:03 |
| slaweq | I created etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron_ci_on_bionic which I want to use to track the progress | 16:03 |
| * manjeets is in other meeting | 16:04 | |
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| njohnston | +1 for the etherpad | 16:04 |
| slaweq | and also I want to have separate topic about this on today's meeting, so let's talk about it later, ok for You? | 16:04 |
| slaweq | I take it as "yes" :) | 16:05 |
| slaweq | next action then: | 16:05 |
| slaweq | mlavalle to continue debugging issue with not reachable FIP in scenario jobs | 16:05 |
| mlavalle | you guys are not going to believe this..... | 16:05 |
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| mlavalle | no hist over the past seven days since yesterday | 16:05 |
| manjeets | slaweq, so all the jobs mentioned in etherpad should use ubuntu bionic ideally ? | 16:05 |
| njohnston | mlavalle: really? wow. | 16:06 |
| mlavalle | This is the query I'm using http://logstash.openstack.org/#/dashboard/file/logstash.json?query=message:%5C%22line%20143,%20in%20test_trunk_subport_lifecycle%5C%22&from=7d | 16:06 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: are You sure? | 16:06 |
| slaweq | I found something like http://logs.openstack.org/59/596959/6/check/neutron-tempest-plugin-dvr-multinode-scenario/fbc011b/testr_results.html.gz from yesterday for example | 16:06 |
| slaweq | isn't it issue like You were looking for? | 16:07 |
| mlavalle | yeah, it's the same issue | 16:09 |
| mlavalle | the query is not catching it | 16:09 |
| mlavalle | ah, you know why? | 16:09 |
| mlavalle | it's the line number | 16:09 |
| mlavalle | I should remove the line number from the query | 16:10 |
| mlavalle | I took the query that slaweq left originally in the bug (that includes the line number) and just added the 7days | 16:10 |
| slaweq | :) | 16:10 |
| slaweq | sorry for that then | 16:11 |
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| mlavalle | in that case.... | 16:11 |
| mlavalle | I'll go back to it | 16:11 |
| mlavalle | LOL | 16:11 |
| slaweq | ok, I will assign it to You again :) | 16:11 |
| slaweq | mlavalle to continue debugging issue with not reachable FIP in scenario jobs | 16:11 |
| slaweq | #action mlavalle to continue debugging issue with not reachable FIP in scenario jobs | 16:11 |
| slaweq | thx mlavalle for taking care of it | 16:12 |
| slaweq | next one was: | 16:12 |
| slaweq | slaweq to check if failing test_ha_router_namespace_has_ipv6_forwarding_disabled is related to bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1798475 | 16:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1798475 in neutron "Fullstack test test_ha_router_restart_agents_no_packet_lost failing" [High,Confirmed] | 16:12 |
| slaweq | and I totaly forgot about this one as I didn't create card on my trello for it :/ | 16:12 |
| slaweq | sorry for that | 16:12 |
| slaweq | I will assign it to myself for next week then | 16:12 |
| slaweq | #action slaweq to check if failing test_ha_router_namespace_has_ipv6_forwarding_disabled is related to bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1798475 | 16:12 |
| slaweq | ok, next one | 16:13 |
| slaweq | slaweq to increase neutron-tempest jobs timeouts | 16:13 |
| slaweq | patch is merged already https://review.openstack.org/#/c/612809/ | 16:13 |
| slaweq | did You saw any new failures because of timeouts in those jobs in last few days? | 16:14 |
| njohnston | I haven't seen anything going into TIMED_OUT state at least | 16:14 |
| njohnston | in general things look healthier | 16:15 |
| slaweq | njohnston: it wasn't TIMED_OUT, it was usually FAILED | 16:15 |
| slaweq | but in job-output.txt.gz there was info about timeout | 16:15 |
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| njohnston | OK, I haven't seen any of those lately but I haven't tried looking systematically | 16:16 |
| slaweq | I don't see anything like that in logstash in last few days so should be better IMO | 16:19 |
| slaweq | and lets just check as njohnston said :) | 16:19 |
| slaweq | ok, so that's all from last week | 16:19 |
| slaweq | #topic Python 3 | 16:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Python 3 (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:19 | |
| slaweq | lets talk about switch CI jobs to python3 | 16:20 |
| slaweq | njohnston: I think You are most up to date with it | 16:20 |
| njohnston | I've been working on the change to the neutron-fu;;stack job we discussed previously: https://review.openstack.org/604749 | 16:20 |
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| njohnston | my goal for this week is to start going through the jobs and adding python3, either by changing their ancestor zuul template or just by adding USE_PYTHON3 depending | 16:21 |
| * bcafarel actually reading through it, as zuul seems happy now | 16:21 | |
| njohnston | I noticed that there are differences in the zuul templates - for example if you base things off of "tempest-full" you | 16:22 |
| slaweq | ok, but didn't we agree in Denver that we should just switch all jobs to py3 and left only UT and functional with py27 too? | 16:22 |
| njohnston | sorry by "adding python3" I meant adding it to existing jobs to convert them to py3 jobs | 16:23 |
| slaweq | ok :) | 16:23 |
| slaweq | basically what I think is that we should do: | 16:23 |
| slaweq | 1. etherpad to track progress | 16:23 |
| njohnston | So 'tempest-full' will get more tests run than if you base off of 'tempest-full-py3' because the latter has things like object store turned off, which disables object tests - https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tempest/tree/.zuul.yaml#n114 | 16:23 |
| slaweq | 2. rename existing neutron-functional job to neutron-functional-python27 and switch neutron-functional to be py3 | 16:24 |
| njohnston | slaweq: Will do, I'll get an etherpad together today | 16:24 |
| slaweq | 3. Start switching other jobs to py3 as we decided | 16:24 |
| slaweq | what do You think about it mlavalle and njohnston ? | 16:24 |
| mlavalle | sounds like a good plan | 16:24 |
| slaweq | and IMO we shouldn't do python35/36/37 jobs as it may depends on OS on which job is running | 16:25 |
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| slaweq | so we should just have our jobs like e.g. neutron-fullstack to run using python3 | 16:25 |
| njohnston | yes | 16:26 |
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| slaweq | mlavalle: ok for You? | 16:26 |
| njohnston | we may have unit tests for the subversions like in Zane's proposal | 16:26 |
| njohnston | but not for all the flavors of testing | 16:26 |
| mlavalle | yes | 16:26 |
| slaweq | yes, UT are fine and we already have different versions but we shouldn't do it for all other jobs | 16:26 |
| mlavalle | njohnston: when you say Zane's proposal, you refer to the messsage in the ML? | 16:27 |
| njohnston | it's now a governance change: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/613145/ | 16:27 |
| njohnston | I encourage everyone to read it and give feedback | 16:28 |
| njohnston | "Resolution on keeping up with Python 3 releases" | 16:28 |
| mlavalle | yeah, about the same thing we stated in the message | 16:29 |
| mlavalle | so, yes, overall, I'm in agreement | 16:29 |
| slaweq | great :) njohnston will You do etherpad to track it? | 16:30 |
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| njohnston | already started | 16:31 |
| slaweq | thx | 16:31 |
| slaweq | and do You want to propose this change for functional tests? or do You want me to do it? | 16:32 |
| njohnston | I'll do it | 16:32 |
| slaweq | thx | 16:32 |
| njohnston | #action njohnston rename existing neutron-functional job to neutron-functional-python27 and switch neutron-functional to be py3 | 16:33 |
| slaweq | #action njohnston to create new neutron-functional-python27 job and switch existing one to python3 | 16:33 |
| njohnston | #undo | 16:33 |
| njohnston | I think that undid mine... we'll have to see :-) | 16:33 |
| slaweq | ahh, sorry :) | 16:33 |
| njohnston | #action njohnston make py3 etherpad | 16:33 |
| slaweq | ok, I will remember only one of them ;) | 16:34 |
| slaweq | so next week we will be able to check how it's going and continue this work | 16:34 |
| slaweq | do You have anything else related to python3 to talk about? | 16:35 |
| njohnston | nope, thanks | 16:35 |
| slaweq | ok, so lets move on | 16:35 |
| slaweq | next topic | 16:35 |
| slaweq | #topic Ubuntu Bionic in CI jobs | 16:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ubuntu Bionic in CI jobs (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:35 | |
| slaweq | as I said, etherpad for it is created https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron_ci_on_bionic | 16:36 |
| slaweq | today I sent patch for neutron-tempest-plugin: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/614216/ to switch our jobs to Bionic | 16:36 |
| slaweq | it's for now DNM patch as I want to check how it will be | 16:36 |
| slaweq | ahh, and one most important thing | 16:37 |
| slaweq | there is devstack patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/610977/ which adds Bionic nodesets which we can use | 16:37 |
| slaweq | in etherpad I listed what nodeset should be replaced with what new one (but it may not be perfect yet) | 16:38 |
| slaweq | I also did some DNM patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/610997/ | 16:38 |
| slaweq | it looks that for many jobs we are fine and they works good on Bionic | 16:39 |
| slaweq | there are some small issues with fullstack jobs for example but it's not something really big | 16:39 |
| slaweq | and now the question is: how You want to perform that switch? should we first switch all jobs to python3 and then to Bionic? or do it "in parallel"? | 16:40 |
| slaweq | or Bionic first and then python3? | 16:40 |
| slaweq | any thoughts? | 16:40 |
| mlavalle | I like keeping things simple | 16:40 |
| mlavalle | one change at a time | 16:40 |
| njohnston | agreed | 16:41 |
| mlavalle | if possible, let's convert a job to python3 | 16:41 |
| njohnston | by the way the problematic part for fullstack - where ovs is compiled - can be discarded when we move to bionic | 16:41 |
| mlavalle | and then we move that to bionic | 16:41 |
| slaweq | that was also my idea :) lets move to python3 first and then start switching to Bionic | 16:42 |
| njohnston | do we know if grenade is ready for py3 yet? | 16:42 |
| mlavalle | no clue | 16:42 |
| slaweq | I don't know | 16:42 |
| njohnston | #action njohnston check if grenade is ready for py3 | 16:43 |
| slaweq | thx njohnston :) | 16:43 |
| njohnston | I mean we'll discover it if our changes fail for grenade jobs, but it'd be nice to find out the plan | 16:43 |
| slaweq | njohnston: I agree | 16:44 |
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| slaweq | ok, so I guess we can move on to next topic now | 16:44 |
| slaweq | #topic Grafana | 16:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Grafana (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:44 | |
| slaweq | #link http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate | 16:44 |
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| slaweq | fullstack is about 30% of failures now | 16:46 |
| slaweq | but it is related to this issue with stopping processes IMHO | 16:46 |
| slaweq | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1798472 | 16:46 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1798472 in neutron "Fullstack tests fails because process is not killed properly" [High,Confirmed] | 16:46 |
| slaweq | and to https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1798475 | 16:46 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1798475 in neutron "Fullstack test test_ha_router_restart_agents_no_packet_lost failing" [High,Confirmed] | 16:46 |
| slaweq | and both aren't assignment yet | 16:47 |
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| slaweq | I will try to check at least one of them if I will have some time this week | 16:47 |
| slaweq | in functional tests db_migration test is happening less often I think | 16:48 |
| mlavalle | I can try to help with the other one | 16:48 |
| slaweq | thx mlavalle | 16:48 |
| mlavalle | contingent on time availaility | 16:48 |
| mlavalle | which one do you want slaweq? | 16:48 |
| slaweq | so I will take https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1798472 | 16:49 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1798472 in neutron "Fullstack tests fails because process is not killed properly" [High,Confirmed] | 16:49 |
| slaweq | #action slaweq to check Fullstack tests fails because process is not killed properly (bug 1798472) | 16:49 |
| mlavalle | ok | 16:49 |
| mlavalle | #action mlavalle to check bug 1798475 | 16:50 |
| openstack | bug 1798475 in neutron "Fullstack test test_ha_router_restart_agents_no_packet_lost failing" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1798475 | 16:50 |
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| slaweq | getting back to functional tests, db migration tests are less often after I increased timeout for them to 600 seconds, but unfortunatelly I saw it at lest once that it happend event with such timeout: * http://logs.openstack.org/31/613231/1/gate/neutron-functional/441128f/job-output.txt.gz#_2018-10-25_18_54_53_992690 | 16:51 |
| slaweq | so I think that it mayb be something different than only slow node | 16:51 |
| slaweq | let's observe it for few more days and if You will spot it again, please add it to bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1687027 | 16:52 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1687027 in neutron "test_walk_versions tests fail with "IndexError: tuple index out of range" after timeout" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq) | 16:52 |
| mlavalle | ack | 16:54 |
| slaweq | and that's all from fullstack/functional tests | 16:54 |
| slaweq | anything else You want to add? | 16:54 |
| mlavalle | no, thanks | 16:54 |
| slaweq | ok, so let's now talk about | 16:55 |
| slaweq | #topic Periodic | 16:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Periodic (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:55 | |
| slaweq | from grafana I see that openstack-tox-py35-with-oslo-master is failing constantly since few days | 16:55 |
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| slaweq | example from today: http://logs.openstack.org/periodic/git.openstack.org/openstack/neutron/master/openstack-tox-py35-with-oslo-master/7ae4398/testr_results.html.gz | 16:55 |
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| slaweq | anyone wants to fix that? | 16:57 |
| slaweq | or I should take it? | 16:57 |
| mlavalle | I don't have time this week | 16:57 |
| slaweq | ok, I will check it | 16:57 |
| slaweq | #action slaweq to check issue with openstack-tox-py35-with-oslo-master periodic job | 16:57 |
| slaweq | ok, so that's all from my side for today | 16:58 |
| slaweq | anything else You want to add/ask maybe? | 16:58 |
| mlavalle | not from me | 16:58 |
| slaweq | ok | 16:59 |
| slaweq | thx for attending | 16:59 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 16:59 |
| slaweq | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 16:59 | |
| njohnston | I have a change to migrate the iptables_hybrid job to the new zuulv3 format https://review.openstack.org/#/c/604894/ | 16:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 30 16:59:09 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2018/neutron_ci.2018-10-30-16.00.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2018/neutron_ci.2018-10-30-16.00.txt | 16:59 |
| njohnston | oops too late | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2018/neutron_ci.2018-10-30-16.00.log.html | 16:59 |
| slaweq | sorry njohnston | 16:59 |
| slaweq | :) | 16:59 |
| njohnston | np :-) | 16:59 |
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| slaweq | lets talk about it in neutron channel then | 16:59 |
| njohnston | ok | 16:59 |
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| clarkb | Anyone here for the infra meeting? | 19:00 |
| fungi | depends on your definition of #here | 19:00 |
| clarkb | some attention directed to this channel :) | 19:00 |
| mordred | and your definition of #anyone | 19:00 |
| fungi | does seem like it's been a quiet day in the infra channel | 19:00 |
| clarkb | mordred: you are definitely an anyone | 19:00 |
| mordred | \o/ | 19:01 |
| clarkb | ya I've mostly been catching up on work already in flight | 19:01 |
| clarkb | #startmeeting infra | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 30 19:01:27 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is clarkb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:01 |
| clarkb | #topic Announcements | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:01 | |
| clarkb | Hopefully this doesn't surprise anyone but the Berlin summit is less than two weeks away | 19:01 |
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| clarkb | This is your warning to do any necesary prep work :) I need to put together a project update and onboarding session | 19:02 |
| clarkb | #link https://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/vote.pl?id=E_aac97f1cbb6c61df&akey=b9e448b340787f0e Vote for OpenStack T release name | 19:02 |
| clarkb | tonyb put together a poll for us to pikc a name. You should really vote for train | 19:02 |
| fungi | note that if you share an ip address you'll need to find an alternative from which to place your vote | 19:03 |
| fungi | say, an unpopular starbucks | 19:03 |
| clarkb | or via your phone? | 19:03 |
| fungi | or maybe the public library (they still have those, right?) | 19:03 |
| ianw | o/ | 19:03 |
| clarkb | Anything else worth announcing? | 19:04 |
| fungi | not to my knowledge | 19:04 |
| clarkb | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:04 | |
| clarkb | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2018/infra.2018-10-23-19.01.txt minutes from last meeting | 19:04 |
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| clarkb | Not in that ^ meeting but in the opendev messaging meeting I took an action to start drafting an email to talk about opendev more broadly | 19:05 |
| clarkb | I've got time set aside for that on this meeting agenda but if you want a sneak preview https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/WUNOTv8MuP | 19:05 |
| clarkb | #topic Priority Efforts | 19:05 |
| * fungi sneaks a peek | 19:05 | |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Priority Efforts (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:05 | |
| clarkb | #topic Update Config Management | 19:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Update Config Management (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:06 | |
| clarkb | May as well jump right in. I don't think much happened on this last week as we were distracted by zookeeper, openstacksdk, and nodepool related things (at least I was) | 19:06 |
| clarkb | gerrit query for reviews: topic:puppet-4 and topic:update-cfg-mgmt | 19:07 |
| * mordred aplogizes for his hand in the openstacksdk things | 19:07 | |
| fungi | i, for one, am glad you choose to do openstacksdk things | 19:08 |
| fungi | don't apologize | 19:08 |
| clarkb | have I missed related work on ^ worth talking about? I guess we may still need a decision on where to store the ara database? I think the conversation we had a week ago mostly ended up with maybe we should rebuild bridge server to be appropriately sized for ansible and mysql | 19:08 |
| clarkb | then we reduce data leakage concerns and have server that performs as expected across the board | 19:08 |
| fungi | well, there was already a trove instance created, so i thought we said in the interim we can use that in parallel with any work to replace the bridge server | 19:09 |
| clarkb | ah | 19:09 |
| mordred | I support all of the choices | 19:09 |
| fungi | but that in sizing the replacement bridge.o.o we should take running a mysql db for ara into account | 19:09 |
| clarkb | I was distracted by zookeeper move at the time so fungi's memory likely better than mine | 19:09 |
| clarkb | ++ | 19:10 |
| fungi | yeah, the information leak is theoretical, and so short-term concerns while we're getting this up and running aren't as significant as the longer-term risks of continuing to use a separate db system | 19:10 |
| clarkb | sounds good | 19:10 |
| clarkb | mordred: hae a storyboard containerization update? | 19:11 |
| mordred | oh my | 19:11 |
| * fungi hopes it's not an old margarine tub | 19:11 | |
| mordred | so - I have decided to step back from that just a little bit- a bit more to wrap my head around | 19:11 |
| mordred | and gonna just do a normal update - so I can properly think about what the containerized version looks like | 19:12 |
| mordred | I'll hopefully get some patches up for review later today or early tomorrow | 19:13 |
| fungi | now thinking that "margarine-tub" would have been a great alternative name for pbrx | 19:13 |
| mordred | fungi: still might be | 19:13 |
| clarkb | seems reasonable. I do think we shouldn't be afraid of doing the quicker get off trusty moves without blocking too hard on containers if it isn't straightforward upfront | 19:13 |
| mordred | yup | 19:13 |
| mordred | that's kinda where I ended up | 19:13 |
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| mordred | also - to be fair - I'm *also* overthinking it | 19:13 |
| clarkb | anything else related to updating config management before we go to storyboard? | 19:14 |
| clarkb | (this is the segway) | 19:14 |
| fungi | so basically upgrading storyboard-dev.o.o and then storyboard.o.o from trusty to xenial for now? | 19:14 |
| mordred | fungi: yah | 19:14 |
| clarkb | er segue? english weird | 19:14 |
| fungi | wfm | 19:14 |
| fungi | sanguine | 19:14 |
| mordred | I'd like to eventually end up with storyboard running in python3 in containers on bionic | 19:15 |
| clarkb | mordred: shiny | 19:15 |
| mordred | but let's just make progress | 19:15 |
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| clarkb | #topic Storyboard | 19:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Storyboard (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:15 | |
| clarkb | I did review the storyboard spec | 19:15 |
| fungi | me too! (finally) | 19:15 |
| fungi | i also need to apologize to diablo_rojo for the pile of comments i left on it | 19:16 |
| clarkb | and frickler too. Thank you all for doing that | 19:16 |
| clarkb | Looks like we are waiting on an update on that now? | 19:16 |
| fungi | if any of my comments are unclear or need added detail, please let me know and i'm happy to expand on them | 19:16 |
| clarkb | are tehre other storyboard updates? I had to miss the meeting last week due to dentist visit | 19:17 |
| fungi | some talk of forum planning | 19:18 |
| fungi | there's a remaining blockers to migration session on the forum schedule | 19:19 |
| clarkb | fungi: project moves have slowed down? | 19:19 |
| fungi | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/berlin-2018/summit-schedule/events/22839/storyboard-migration-the-remaining-blockers Summit Session | 19:19 |
| clarkb | I'm guessing that is due to the remaining blockers? | 19:19 |
| fungi | for the moment, yes | 19:19 |
| fungi | well, and also some roadblocks in testing them | 19:19 |
| fungi | diablo_rojo has discovered that test imports of neutron abruptly stop partway into what we would expect to have loaded | 19:20 |
| fungi | suspecting at this point that we're missing support for lp api result pagination or something along those lines | 19:20 |
| clarkb | I guess it is good that we test them then :) | 19:20 |
| fungi | but need to add some more debugging output to figure it out | 19:20 |
| fungi | indeed! | 19:21 |
| mordred | oh joy | 19:21 |
| fungi | neutron is by far the largest single lp project we've attempted to import, so no surprises it's where we're finding new problems | 19:21 |
| clarkb | mordred: ^ probably want to coordinate the redeployment of -dev with neutron debugging | 19:22 |
| clarkb | (just to avoid deleting old server in the middle of a test migration) | 19:22 |
| mordred | clarkb: yes - I agree. | 19:22 |
| clarkb | #topic General Topics | 19:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "General Topics (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:22 | |
| clarkb | Opendev. As mentioned earlier I've started drafting an email to communicate the things | 19:23 |
| clarkb | It depends a bit on the work lsell will be doing foundation side, but I'm trying to set a tone of we aren't abandoning you and this is something people have wanted for a while | 19:23 |
| clarkb | I think it is also helpful that we now have data saying 98.5% of all the test resources we use are openstack related | 19:23 |
| fungi | point of order. i move that any specs related to the opendev transition be deemed priority efforts | 19:23 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:23 |
| * mordred seconds fungi's point of order | 19:24 | |
| clarkb | That said I am not sure I'm entirely happy with that draft so please give me feedback or suggest wys to make it better | 19:24 |
| clarkb | mordred: fungi I'll third that | 19:24 |
| * mordred also knows that's not how robert's rules work | 19:24 | |
| fungi | yep | 19:24 |
| fungi | i was abusing terms for fun | 19:24 |
| mordred | me too | 19:24 |
| clarkb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/WUNOTv8MuP draft email announcement | 19:24 |
| mordred | just wanted to be clear in case any robert's rules superfans were lurking | 19:25 |
| clarkb | now the link shows up in the correct spot in the meeting logs | 19:25 |
| clarkb | I'll try to sync up with lsell real soon now to see how the other bits are going | 19:25 |
| clarkb | Doesn't look like the dns configurations are fully in place for opendev.org yet, but progress was amde on that lst week too | 19:26 |
| clarkb | I expect corvus will be motivated to finish that when back at work | 19:26 |
| clarkb | Trusty server upgrades. As hinted to earlier with storyboard this continue to happen. The zookeeper cluster work last week was basically a trusty to xenial upgrade for our zookeeper server. The trusty zookeeper is running on nodepool.openstack.org. It is on my list of todos today to delete that server | 19:27 |
| clarkb | this server has been around for a long time and was a fairly important piece of the puzzle for us so if you know of anything that needs saving or cleanup before I delete it please let me know | 19:28 |
| clarkb | (possbily useful openstack api related scripts) | 19:28 |
| fungi | also, no obvious problems after switching from single-node zk to a cluster | 19:28 |
| fungi | so that was nice | 19:28 |
| clarkb | correct. I chceked the zk stat output on all three servers for days after and it has continued to look happy | 19:29 |
| ianw | ++, now we just need to get it ssl :) | 19:29 |
| clarkb | cacti also makes it looks happy | 19:29 |
| clarkb | Once nodepool.o.o is gone I'm going to grab another server off the list and go look at what that server needs. Maybe pbx? | 19:29 |
| clarkb | I feel like I've got some momentum with this and am hoping to keep doing a server ish a week if I can | 19:30 |
| fungi | i guess that did eventually get rebuilt on ubuntu, huh? | 19:30 |
| clarkb | fungi: yup | 19:30 |
| ianw | i'm hoping to get to some upgrades too, if nothing else pops up | 19:30 |
| fungi | are the git servers and load balancer our only centos servers now? | 19:30 |
| clarkb | ianw: great. Please do let me know if I can help (that goes for anyone doing this work I am highly motivated to get this type of thing done and happy to help where I can) | 19:30 |
| clarkb | fungi: yes | 19:31 |
| clarkb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/201808-infra-server-upgrades-and-cleanup list of servers that need upgrading | 19:31 |
| clarkb | Zuul queue backlogs. Since the PTG we've been experiencing long zuul queue backlogs. There have been a varity or reasons for this over the last month and a half many of which we've fixed. But the general situation is that we are still suffering from this | 19:32 |
| clarkb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-October/136141.html Most recent update from clarkb on the Zuul backlog situation | 19:32 |
| clarkb | The good news is we are getting better data from zuul around where the cost is | 19:33 |
| clarkb | Using that we can measure if our changes improve things | 19:33 |
| clarkb | and also prioritize which work would be most effective | 19:33 |
| mordred | ++ this is great | 19:33 |
| clarkb | Another item worth pointing out is that I think we are in part running into lack of logging in jobs that help us understand where the time spend is within a job. I've been asking various projects to improve the logging so that the statement isn't just "infra is slow or unreliable" and instead is "on infra $task takes this long and is $resource bound" | 19:34 |
| clarkb | For example tripleo points to docker image download costs. But as far as we know we don't have a measurement of that so step 0 is lets measure that then we'll know if changes improve it | 19:35 |
| clarkb | (or if it is even a major cost at all) | 19:35 |
| clarkb | OSH has performance issues but we don't knwo if they are related to cpu/disk/network/etc so to improve that we need that information | 19:35 |
| mordred | yup. logging here is also helpful, because while we do have docker mirrors, it may not always be clear if we're actually using them or not | 19:35 |
| clarkb | There is zuul work to build in some performance data into base jobs too which should help | 19:36 |
| clarkb | I think we've taken for granted that devstack does all of this for you | 19:36 |
| mordred | yup | 19:36 |
| clarkb | and now that we are doing more and more non devstack testing the lack of that data is apparent | 19:36 |
| clarkb | If random projects drop by asking for help implementing that stuff any help you can give will likely go a long way | 19:37 |
| clarkb | And that was it for the agenda I had written down | 19:38 |
| clarkb | #topic Open Discussion | 19:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:38 | |
| clarkb | Anything else? we've got time so feel free | 19:38 |
| fungi | i've got nothin' | 19:39 |
| clarkb | my kids have a halloween parade thing tomorrow at school. I am not yet sure if I am expected to go view that | 19:40 |
| clarkb | but I may be afk for an hour or two tomorrow for that | 19:40 |
| clarkb | fungi: ^ did the storm take precedence over halloween planning? | 19:40 |
| clarkb | I'll give this until 19:45 UTC and if we don't have anything to talk about by then I'll end the meeting | 19:41 |
| fungi | yeah, we sort of didn't decorate much | 19:42 |
| fungi | gonna chill with some friends and frighten/rot the teeth of children in their neighborhood this year | 19:42 |
| clarkb | oh! we get off DST this weekend in this country at least | 19:44 |
| mordred | oh - is that this weekend? | 19:45 |
| clarkb | friendly reminder that meeting times are UTC so if your local government observes DST you may have the meeting shift by an hour | 19:45 |
| fungi | yeah, i need to skim my recurring schedule for any meetings which shift relative to dst | 19:45 |
| fungi | or rather which follow dst and so shift in utc | 19:45 |
| clarkb | the meeting will be an hour earlier in my local timezone next week | 19:46 |
| clarkb | and with that I think I'll call the meeting. Thank you everyone | 19:46 |
| clarkb | #endmeeting | 19:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 19:46 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 30 19:46:28 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2018/infra.2018-10-30-19.01.html | 19:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2018/infra.2018-10-30-19.01.txt | 19:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2018/infra.2018-10-30-19.01.log.html | 19:46 |
| fungi | thanks for chairing, clarkb! | 19:46 |
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| gary_perkins | hmm... | 20:05 |
| ssbarnea | hi! | 20:06 |
| gary_perkins | What time does the meeting start? The UK changed back from daylight savings over the weekend | 20:06 |
| clarkb | gary_perkins: 1900utc or about an hour ago | 20:07 |
| gary_perkins | ahh, it's over already!! /facepalm | 20:08 |
| gary_perkins | ok, thanks :) | 20:08 |
| fungi | infra meeting ran from 19:00 utc to roughly 19:45 | 20:08 |
| ssbarnea | yeah, so i missed it. but considering that nobody mentioned my name, probably i can just read the logs. | 20:08 |
| fungi | ended early due to getting through the agenda in record time | 20:08 |
| gary_perkins | Yep, I'll read the logs, taa | 20:08 |
| ssbarnea | if anyone has some time, please read https://review.openstack.org/#/c/613753/ -- an idea I had on Sunday, not sure if really possible. | 20:10 |
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| janders | g'day everyone | 21:01 |
| oneswig | Hi janders | 21:01 |
| trandles | \o | 21:01 |
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| oneswig | I was just hanging back as I'd asked Martial to lead the ceremonies today - I'll be in and out | 21:02 |
| martial__ | hello | 21:02 |
| oneswig | the very chap :-) | 21:02 |
| martial__ | (this is always weird to me: you are now identified for martial) | 21:02 |
| martial__ | did you start the meeting Stig? | 21:02 |
| oneswig | no not yet, but I did run a bath :-) | 21:03 |
| martial__ | #start-meeting Scientific-SIG | 21:03 |
| trandles | Cheers for the bath :P | 21:03 |
| oneswig | always thought you were more a hot tub kind of guy, down there in NM | 21:03 |
| trandles | don't think that worked martial__ | 21:03 |
| oneswig | martial__: startmeeting | 21:03 |
| martial__ | nope seems it did not | 21:03 |
| trandles | hot springs | 21:04 |
| martial__ | #startmeeting Scientific-SIG | 21:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 30 21:04:19 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is martial__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Scientific-SIG)" | 21:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_sig' | 21:04 |
| oneswig | away we go :-) | 21:04 |
| martial__ | #chair oneswig | 21:04 |
| openstack | Current chairs: martial__ oneswig | 21:04 |
| janders | trandles: Blair would have a lot of those now :) | 21:04 |
| martial__ | Agenda at | 21:05 |
| martial__ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_SIG#IRC_Meeting_October_30th_2018 | 21:05 |
| martial__ | #topic Berlin SIG BoF - Call for lightning talks | 21:05 |
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| martial__ | Come-thee, come-thee, the Scientific SIG-ness has an opening for its participants to discuss the latest and greatest and the barely working during its Lighting Talk session | 21:06 |
| martial__ | we welcome the courageous, the brave and the crazy on our podium | 21:06 |
| janders | barely as in bare metal? :) | 21:06 |
| oneswig | oh, too good. | 21:07 |
| oneswig | I shall think up a topic now. | 21:07 |
| oneswig | Aha, money for old rope - I'm presenting at Ceph day on the Monday before. I can squeeze that into 3 minutes, sure | 21:07 |
| martial__ | be thee brave friend? be thee stupendous with knowledge to share? Well thee are perfect for us ... come and bedazzle | 21:07 |
| oneswig | martial__: been at the communion wine again? :-) | 21:08 |
| martial__ | so ... add thy words to our pad of the ether and amaze the crowd | 21:08 |
| martial__ | (selling it :) ) | 21:09 |
| oneswig | Sold! | 21:09 |
| trandles | martial__: when are you auditioning for a job at Medieval Times? Just back from a stay at Excalibur in Vegas? | 21:09 |
| martial__ | :) | 21:09 |
| martial__ | so as the words above totally say in more words, come, be happy, present and ... profit | 21:10 |
| trandles | Someone get in touch with Arkady. Best talk prize this go should be a sword-in-the-stone model. ;) | 21:10 |
| martial__ | who in this crowd is going beyond Sir OneSwig | 21:10 |
| oneswig | I am lost for words | 21:10 |
| martial__ | well as long as you host the Joust :) | 21:11 |
| janders | I'm sure that we can quickly write a sword-extracting ansible module | 21:12 |
| martial__ | :) | 21:12 |
| oneswig | martial__: I hope you'll keep this up for your video message to address the SIG meeting | 21:12 |
| martial__ | 4am my time? I will be just in the right state of sleep :) | 21:12 |
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| janders | time is relative and only a function of space | 21:13 |
| oneswig | Are preparations going well for SC? | 21:13 |
| martial__ | but yes I am proposing to host a GTM for people who are interested to view the meetings remotely | 21:13 |
| martial__ | (and maybe record it?) | 21:13 |
| martial__ | so if you are interested in participating, add your name to | 21:14 |
| martial__ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_SIG#IRC_Meeting_October_30th_2018 | 21:14 |
| martial__ | oops wait no | 21:14 |
| martial__ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Berlin-Scientific-SIG-BoF | 21:14 |
| martial__ | ^ that one | 21:14 |
| martial__ | in truth that is the agenda I have for Today | 21:15 |
| janders | in which case let me propose this agenda item: | 21:15 |
| janders | IBM acquisition of Red Hat | 21:15 |
| martial__ | ouch | 21:15 |
| oneswig | janders: anything to avoid repeating your excellent presentation!? | 21:16 |
| janders | what are your thoughts on what this means to OpenStack and Ansible? | 21:16 |
| martial__ | tim, are you staying until the end? (have to leave in 15 minutes) | 21:16 |
| oneswig | I see no harm for Ansible. | 21:16 |
| janders | oneswig: I don't mind repeating if there is interest, but curious what people think | 21:16 |
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| oneswig | IBM's interest in OpenStack is not what it once was (true for many larger and more corpulent corporations) | 21:17 |
| oneswig | But perhaps that is why they covet Red Hat, who have clearly made a stellar success from their contribution | 21:17 |
| janders | what's your feel regarding RHAT being left alone as promised as opposed to IBM making attempts of tighter integration of the two organisations? | 21:18 |
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| oneswig | I think it looks bleak for Red Hat's business-centric offerings. | 21:18 |
| oneswig | And I'm not sure I'd back GlusterFS against SpectrumScale | 21:19 |
| janders | I clearly wouldn't :) | 21:19 |
| janders | if Ceph+CephFS didn't kill Gluster, Spectrum might | 21:19 |
| martial__ | did not think of that I must say | 21:19 |
| oneswig | I assume there will be ever closer union. Perhaps a bit like Hong Kong and mainland China | 21:19 |
| martial__ | that said I truly saw this more as "we need cloud and open source" ... | 21:20 |
| martial__ | wait and see I guess | 21:20 |
| oneswig | Who owns Pivotal (and RabbitMQ)? Was that Dell? | 21:20 |
| janders | what are your bets on Microsoft buying Canonical now? :) | 21:21 |
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| oneswig | I'll bet you 500 beers that doesn't happen | 21:21 |
| oneswig | (very small ones) | 21:21 |
| janders | :D | 21:21 |
| martial__ | ah yes since we are already in that ... | 21:21 |
| martial__ | #topic AOB | 21:21 |
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| oneswig | martial__: will you have a beer night at SC for the Scientific SIG? | 21:22 |
| janders | oneswig: why do you think Micosoft's acquisition of Canonical is unlikely? | 21:22 |
| trandles | martial__: I'm here | 21:22 |
| martial__ | I can try to see who is around indeed (will send an email to the ML) | 21:22 |
| martial__ | the SC18 counter dinner | 21:23 |
| oneswig | janders: I am not sure what to expect nowadays, but still | 21:23 |
| martial__ | janders: what next Microsoft buying Github? | 21:23 |
| trandles | ah, well, I'm only at SC18 from Monday night until early Wednesday morning (read: I'm only available on Tuesday for anything at SC18) | 21:23 |
| janders | ..and Apple buying Microsoft? :) | 21:24 |
| janders | ..and then Amazon will take over the main Linux distro | 21:24 |
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| martial__ | oh boy, let's conclude being on the record :) | 21:24 |
| martial__ | any AOB to discuss? | 21:24 |
| jmlowe | Hi everybody | 21:24 |
| trandles | Denver 19 Summit | 21:25 |
| oneswig | Hi jmlowe | 21:25 |
| trandles | I see on the foundation page that it's April 29-May 2 | 21:25 |
| martial__ | Hey Mike, welcome | 21:25 |
| oneswig | Thanks trandles, noted | 21:25 |
| trandles | FWIW - The Rockies are playing a baseball game on May 3. I know it's the night after the summit ends, but I might try organizing a group to go. | 21:25 |
| jmlowe | I'd be interested | 21:25 |
| martial__ | Stig, we are clearly on AOB, can you close? :) | 21:26 |
| oneswig | martial__: I think so | 21:26 |
| oneswig | bon voyage martial__ | 21:26 |
| martial__ | thanks, gotta go pick up the younglings | 21:26 |
| trandles | later all | 21:26 |
| martial__ | team, see some of you at SC18 | 21:26 |
| janders | see you guys | 21:27 |
| trandles | jmlowe: interest recorded ;) | 21:27 |
| oneswig | trandles: are you still here? | 21:27 |
| trandles | I am | 21:27 |
| oneswig | smashing | 21:28 |
| trandles | pumpkins (is this word association? ;) ) | 21:28 |
| oneswig | trandles: jmlowe: did you see janders presentation from last week on mixing virt upon bare metal? | 21:28 |
| oneswig | Highly recommended. | 21:28 |
| trandles | oneswig: might want to endmeeting | 21:28 |
| jmlowe | I didn't got a link? | 21:28 |
| trandles | I saw janders link in the minutes but didn't click yet | 21:29 |
| oneswig | pumpkins - very topical. I ate an entire pumpkin pie when it became clear my family are not fans. | 21:29 |
| janders | https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1fh6ZOq3DO-4V880Bn7Vxfm5I1kH5b0xKXHBLW2-sJXs/edit#slide=id.p | 21:29 |
| trandles | +1 pumpkin pies - what's not to like?? | 21:29 |
| jmlowe | Daylight savings ends this week for the US, makes participating a bit easier btw | 21:30 |
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| trandles | janders: thx for the link | 21:30 |
| trandles | reading now | 21:30 |
| jmlowe | for those of us in the eastern time zone | 21:30 |
| oneswig | jmlowe: good to hear it, although in 2 weeks no doubt you'll have your hands full | 21:30 |
| janders | no worries :) | 21:30 |
| oneswig | janders: how close are you to production workloads at scale on this system? | 21:31 |
| janders | we're ready for power-POC with users on but we're delaying this to focus on procurement | 21:31 |
| janders | for full prod I'd like to do more work on resiliency and HA | 21:32 |
| janders | we focused on capability first and we've got that and we're confident with that | 21:32 |
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| trandles | janders: we have a network stress test application (I think it's MPI-based) that we use for some early acceptance testing...if I can get my hands on it, would you be willing to give it a go on (Super)Cloud? | 21:33 |
| janders | now we need to work on some implementation details that most people are not interested in | 21:33 |
| janders | trandles: sure! jacob.anders@csiro.au | 21:33 |
| oneswig | trandles: sounds like a quid pro quo arrangement there? | 21:33 |
| trandles | janders: thanks, I'll get back to you | 21:34 |
| oneswig | janders: what generation of IB was it? 100G? | 21:35 |
| janders | FDR/56 | 21:35 |
| janders | but the final system will certainly have a newer interconnect :) | 21:36 |
| janders | I do think we'll maintain significant investment in FDR - it's good enough for many things and there's potential of getting a fair bit of free FDR kit from other projects | 21:36 |
| janders | we likely have some FDR14/40 in the mix too but it's transparent implementation wise so not sure what's the proportion | 21:37 |
| oneswig | That 200G IB is taking a while to materialise | 21:37 |
| janders | I meant FDR10/40 sorry | 21:38 |
| janders | that's right! | 21:38 |
| janders | I bet it's got something to do with PCIe4 taking sweet forever too | 21:38 |
| janders | have you guys had a chance to do any testing on HDR/200? | 21:39 |
| oneswig | not here | 21:39 |
| janders | same here for now | 21:39 |
| trandles | we're fully in OPA space on our latest machines, so no HDR here | 21:40 |
| janders | from what I hear it should be very similar to drive to EDR as far as OpenStack is concerned, but I bet there'll be some catch somewhere :) | 21:41 |
| janders | trandles: do you have any OpenStack on OPA? | 21:41 |
| oneswig | I've been working on OPA and Ceph again - a last push to get it working well | 21:41 |
| janders | OPA doesn't have virtual function support or fabric segmentation support, right? | 21:42 |
| trandles | I do not have OpenStack on OPA :( | 21:42 |
| oneswig | janders: you want to speak to rbudden on OPA+OpenStack | 21:42 |
| trandles | AFAIK OPA doesn't support SR-IOV, no | 21:42 |
| oneswig | I believe you're right | 21:42 |
| trandles | but +1 what oneswig says | 21:42 |
| trandles | PSC's Bridges cluster is OPA, albeit a very early OPA | 21:43 |
| janders | I don't believe I've met rbudden yet | 21:44 |
| jmlowe | janders: headed to sc'18? | 21:45 |
| janders | no, OS Berlin | 21:45 |
| trandles | janders: https://github.com/jlothian/sysconfidence | 21:45 |
| trandles | that's the benchmark | 21:45 |
| oneswig | thanks trandles, might bookmark that myself | 21:46 |
| janders | thanks! :) | 21:46 |
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| oneswig | OK do we have any more AOB? | 21:47 |
| trandles | I believe it was written by Oak Ridge originally. Meant to stress the fabric on a traditional cluster. It would be good to see what folks are getting on our scientific clouds, especially if you can test baremetal and from within VMs. | 21:47 |
| oneswig | trandles: what does a good result look like? | 21:48 |
| trandles | oneswig: I'll poke at our local expert and get back to you. He fired off the link quickly and said "talk later." | 21:48 |
| janders | I'll probably need to audit the HCAs switches and cables to make sure there's no FDR40 to get a good number | 21:49 |
| oneswig | OK thanks trandles. | 21:49 |
| janders | for multinode workloads on IB any inconsistencies are asking for trouble | 21:49 |
| trandles | it's focused on latency, so in theory we should know lowest from the vendor | 21:50 |
| oneswig | Shall we close the meeting? Any more to add? | 21:51 |
| trandles | none from me, thanks everyone | 21:51 |
| janders | I'm good - thanks guys! | 21:51 |
| oneswig | OK, it's a wrap... | 21:51 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 21:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 30 21:51:59 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-10-30-21.04.html | 21:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-10-30-21.04.txt | 21:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-10-30-21.04.log.html | 21:52 |
| oneswig | thanks all, speak in this timezone in ~4 weeks | 21:52 |
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