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| ekcs | #startmeeting congressteammeeting | 04:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Nov 30 04:01:25 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekcs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: congressteammeeting)" | 04:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting' | 04:01 |
| ekcs | hello! welcome back to biweekly congress team meeting. | 04:01 |
| akhil_jain | ekcs: hello! | 04:02 |
| ekcs | please add your topics to this etherpad here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-meeting-topics | 04:02 |
| ekcs | hello akhil_jain ! | 04:02 |
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| ekcs | how’s it been akhil_jain ? | 04:04 |
| akhil_jain | ekcs: everything fine. just this gate issue is bugging me alot :D | 04:05 |
| akhil_jain | what about you? | 04:05 |
| ekcs | hahaha. got it. | 04:06 |
| ekcs | i’ve been doing ok just been having a really stubborn cold all week =/ | 04:06 |
| ekcs | well let’s talk about gate then. | 04:07 |
| ekcs | #topic gate | 04:07 |
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| ekcs | this info could be out of date. but I noticed that all the postgres jobs in congress has been failing because of an error happening in nova. | 04:07 |
| ekcs | a bug was filed. https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1804084 | 04:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1804271 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "duplicate for #1804084 nova-api is broken in postgresql jobs" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Matt Riedemann (mriedem) | 04:08 |
| ekcs | so hopefully it’ll be fixed soon. and we don’t need to do anything for now. | 04:08 |
| ekcs | it’s not affecting us too much because our postgres jobs are non voting. | 04:09 |
| ekcs | akhil_jain: you notice any other gate issues? | 04:09 |
| akhil_jain | not yet but i am continuously looking into | 04:09 |
| akhil_jain | my recent patch also timed out | 04:10 |
| akhil_jain | tacker driver patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/604275/ | 04:11 |
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| ekcs | ah yes. we’ve been seeing some time outs like that. not all the time but sometimes. | 04:11 |
| akhil_jain | hm | 04:11 |
| ekcs | i’m not completely sure of the cause. | 04:12 |
| ekcs | on this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/616134/ | 04:12 |
| ekcs | I thought maybe it’s an intermittent rabbitmq issue on the test node. | 04:12 |
| ekcs | because I looked at one requset that timed out and in the congress engine logs it looks like the engine never received the request. | 04:13 |
| ekcs | haven’t looked deeply at the other ones. | 04:13 |
| akhil_jain | i will try to dig more into it and will share if i found something | 04:15 |
| ekcs | ok! | 04:16 |
| ekcs | well moving on then. | 04:16 |
| ekcs | #topic experimental repo spec | 04:16 |
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| ekcs | I updated the spec based on discussions last meeting. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/616077/ | 04:17 |
| ekcs | not sure if we have anything to discuss now. but if we do please go ahead. | 04:17 |
| akhil_jain | yes i have gone through it. I think its worth a try | 04:19 |
| ekcs | ok thanks for going through it! feel free to leave a review if you get the chance. further comments welcome of course! | 04:21 |
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| akhil_jain | ya sure will do that | 04:22 |
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| ekcs | thanks! | 04:22 |
| ekcs | ok moving on for now then. | 04:22 |
| ekcs | #topic tacker driver | 04:22 |
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| ekcs | I see akhil_jain you updated the patch. | 04:22 |
| ekcs | there is a discussion about how to handle the multiple VDUs | 04:23 |
| ekcs | but ramineni not here today so maybe it’ll take place on gerrit | 04:23 |
| ekcs | anything you want to say about the patch akhil_jain ? | 04:24 |
| akhil_jain | ok, will wait for review then. | 04:24 |
| akhil_jain | about multiple VDU i have added different table. that way it is more convenient for making policies. thats what i thought | 04:25 |
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| akhil_jain | keeping VDUs in VNF will make it very much complex to handle | 04:26 |
| ekcs | that makes sense. | 04:27 |
| ekcs | I’m guessing ramineni was thinking if it’s always a single mgmt_url then put it in the top table. | 04:27 |
| ekcs | but youre saying there are multiple. | 04:28 |
| ekcs | I agree that it’s hard to manage multiple urls in a single field. | 04:28 |
| akhil_jain | ya maybe, i have responded on patch. lets wait for her review to that | 04:29 |
| ekcs | great! | 04:29 |
| ekcs | btw it’s great how you’ve made the extract fn cleaner and used the declarative translator to do the work instead of the custom code! | 04:30 |
| ekcs | should make it much easier for other/future contributors to understand and maintain | 04:30 |
| akhil_jain | :) got that idea from your review thanks! | 04:30 |
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| ekcs | oh haha i didn’t even think of that tho. glad you did | 04:32 |
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| ekcs | well seems like that’s all the topics for today. | 04:33 |
| ekcs | #topic open discussion | 04:33 |
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| akhil_jain | also for nova driver changes, do you have any more input on that? | 04:34 |
| akhil_jain | ramineni: Hi | 04:34 |
| ramineni | akhil_jain: hi | 04:34 |
| ekcs | nope it looks good to me! | 04:34 |
| ramineni | sorry joined late , looks like meeting is over ;) | 04:35 |
| ekcs | oh hi you made it! | 04:35 |
| ramineni | ekcs: :) | 04:35 |
| ramineni | akhil_jain: looks good , what is min nova api version supported? | 04:36 |
| ramineni | for stein release | 04:36 |
| ramineni | ? | 04:36 |
| ekcs | I think min version is still 2.0 (or 2.1 which is the same just microversion) | 04:36 |
| ramineni | ekcs: oh , great , then should be fine , | 04:37 |
| akhil_jain | yes both are supported and i checked both were having address field | 04:37 |
| ramineni | akhil_jain: +1 , +2ed your patch | 04:38 |
| akhil_jain | great, thanks for review | 04:38 |
| ekcs | ok let’s go ahead and merge that patch then. | 04:39 |
| ekcs | just workflowed. | 04:39 |
| ekcs | ramineni: do you have any thoughts for now on the experimental repo spec? | 04:39 |
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| ramineni | ekcs: not as of now, ill check today and let you know if any comments | 04:41 |
| ekcs | great no rush. just asking =) | 04:41 |
| ekcs | ok well anything else for today? | 04:41 |
| ramineni | nothing from my side | 04:42 |
| akhil_jain | none from my side | 04:42 |
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| ekcs | alright then. more next time =) | 04:42 |
| ekcs | have a great weekend! | 04:43 |
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| akhil_jain | ok, bye. happy weekend! | 04:43 |
| ekcs | bye all! | 04:43 |
| ekcs | #endmeeting | 04:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Nov 30 04:44:39 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 04:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2018/congressteammeeting.2018-11-30-04.01.html | 04:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2018/congressteammeeting.2018-11-30-04.01.txt | 04:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2018/congressteammeeting.2018-11-30-04.01.log.html | 04:44 |
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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Nov 30 14:00:08 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 14:00 |
| mlavalle | Hi there | 14:00 |
| klindgren | o/ | 14:00 |
| mlavalle | good morning klin | 14:00 |
| yamamoto | hi | 14:01 |
| mlavalle | good earlu monring klindgren | 14:01 |
| amotoki | o/ | 14:01 |
| klindgren | mlavalle, Thanks. | 14:01 |
| mlavalle | let's give haleyb and slaweq a minute to join | 14:01 |
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| slaweq | hi | 14:02 |
| slaweq | sorry for being late | 14:02 |
| njohnston | openstackbot having issues? | 14:02 |
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| haleyb | hi | 14:02 |
| mlavalle | ok let's get going | 14:03 |
| amotoki | njohnston: is there any issue you see? | 14:03 |
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| mlavalle | #topic RFEs | 14:03 |
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| mlavalle | First one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1764738 | 14:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1764738 in neutron "routed provider networks limit to one host" [Wishlist,New] | 14:03 |
| wwriverrat | Was Kris able to join (bug creator)? I know had planned to :) | 14:05 |
| klindgren | I am here | 14:05 |
| mlavalle | THis one was originally proposed back in April by an operator in Sweden. Last week, in a conversation with klindgren we discovered his employer (GoDaddy?) has the same need | 14:05 |
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| njohnston | o/ | 14:06 |
| klindgren | I also made a post to the openstack-discuss mailing list - but I don't think everyone has moved over to that. | 14:06 |
| klindgren | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2018-November/000082.html | 14:06 |
| amotoki | in my rough understanding, this RFE request segments per provider network, while host to segment binding is global now. right? | 14:08 |
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| klindgren | I believe our needs a similar but slightly different, so I wanted to call out our similar use case. Mainly that we have a need to attach a server to multiple segments of a routed network. The primary reason being that with our network design the L2 doesn't leave the top of rack. But we are getting to the point where we are deploying more vm's into a rack than our networking team wants to give ip's for on a single vlan. So they want to expos | 14:09 |
| klindgren | e the additional ip's on another vlan. Which in routed networks would be another segment. | 14:09 |
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| amotoki | so my understanding seem not correct. | 14:10 |
| mlavalle | in other words, to actually be able to achieve to exploit the benefits of routed networks (i.e. small L2 domains + scalability though L3 routing) you need more than one segment of the routed network to connect to the each compute. Is that a good summary | 14:11 |
| mlavalle | ? | 14:12 |
| klindgren | Yes exactly | 14:12 |
| klindgren | Our networking team is refusing to add more than a /22 worth IP address spacing to a vlan, due to fear of broadcast domain issues. | 14:13 |
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| klindgren | But they would happily do 10 vlans each with a /22 on the same switch. | 14:13 |
| mlavalle | that makes sense. one of the tenets of routed networks is to have small l2 broadcat domains | 14:13 |
| slaweq | ok, I think I understand this rfe now, but I'm not an expert in routed networks so I have one, maybe not very good question: why it was limited originally? are there any potential technical issues with doing it? | 14:14 |
| mlavalle | if you start assigning big broadcat domains to the segments, we are back with the original problem | 14:14 |
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| klindgren | The limit was original put in by carl Baldwin who did the original routed network stuff with a comment | 14:15 |
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| klindgren | That basically says, we don't fully understand the use cases for multiple segments, so to simplify we are imposing an assumption that a host will be bound to only one segment | 14:15 |
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| klindgren | And that the restriction could be relaxed as those use cases are understood | 14:16 |
| slaweq | klindgren: ok, thx, and now we have such use case for it :) | 14:16 |
| slaweq | I see now | 14:16 |
| amotoki | vlan is mapped to a segment and if you introduce a new vlan for a same range of your L2 network it sounds reasnable to define a new segment and assign it to an existing host. | 14:16 |
| mlavalle | at the moment of implementing originally routed networks, we didn't know the limits | 14:17 |
| mlavalle | so to simplify the implementation we made the assumption, somewhere in the IPAM, of only one segment per compute | 14:18 |
| mlavalle | and we expected to have operator feedback | 14:18 |
| mlavalle | which is now happening | 14:18 |
| klindgren | As I am working through this locally I am running into some issues, that I am working through on fixing. Their are seemingly 2 problems. | 14:19 |
| amotoki | one question: if one host belongs to multiple segments of a routed network, how can we select an appropriate segment for a new VM? | 14:19 |
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| mlavalle | amotoki: that's part of the problem | 14:19 |
| mlavalle | you got it | 14:20 |
| klindgren | One is that when you have multiple segments on a host and you try to bind a port from the second segment. The information that is sent to the agent contains the binding information of the first bindable segment. | 14:20 |
| klindgren | So in routed networks the subnet is assigned to the segment. | 14:20 |
| mlavalle | https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/plugins/ml2/drivers/mech_agent.py#L106-L110 | 14:20 |
| klindgren | So if you know the subnet the ip came from - you should already know segment that should be bound for it. | 14:21 |
| mlavalle | yes, that problem seems solvable | 14:22 |
| slaweq | if we are talking about scheduling, should placement be involved in this somehow maybe? | 14:22 |
| mlavalle | slaweq: it is already involved | 14:22 |
| wwriverrat | One thing klindgren and I were looking at:... when you push information down to the agent, you'd include the segment_id with the port. Maybe using the segment_id (not to be confused with segmentation_id) to plug with rather than the network ID. | 14:23 |
| mlavalle | part of the routed networks implementation was to create an IPV4 inventory in placement | 14:23 |
| klindgren | However, in the data that is passed around the segment_id is basically been stripped out. Which also leads to a second problem. If you are trying to use the vlan driver. And you get it to give the correct binding information for the second segment. Since the name of the bridge is done via the network_id. Both segments are part of the same network, and have the same network id | 14:23 |
| slaweq | ahh, ok mlavalle | 14:23 |
| klindgren | So it joins them both to the same bridge | 14:24 |
| klindgren | When it really needs to be different bridges for each segment. | 14:24 |
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| mlavalle | klindgren: is this second hurdle to avoid L2 conflicts? | 14:25 |
| klindgren | I just don't see how it wouldn't spill traffic across the vlans | 14:26 |
| klindgren | Or even possibly create a spanning tree loop? | 14:26 |
| klindgren | IE: | 14:26 |
| klindgren | -bash-4.2# brctl show | 14:26 |
| klindgren | <snip> | 14:26 |
| klindgren | brq3188bc9c-49 8000.9e8444c8e353 no br0.401 | 14:26 |
| klindgren | br0.402 | 14:26 |
| amotoki | the second problem seems that we need to decide vlan ID for a port based on a combo of (network ID and segment ID), right? | 14:26 |
| klindgren | tap1789c805-1c | 14:26 |
| klindgren | tap770e7357-be | 14:26 |
| klindgren | <snip> | 14:26 |
| mlavalle | yes, that's what I meant, potential spaning tree loop | 14:27 |
| klindgren | The vlan id comes from the segment and is populated into the device_info from information from the segment | 14:27 |
| mlavalle | ok, based on this, here's what I propose: | 14:27 |
| mlavalle | 1) The use case / need is pretty clear. It was even predicted in the original routed networks implementation. So my proposal is to approve this RFE | 14:28 |
| mlavalle | 2) Frequently, when we approve a RFE, we request a spec. But I don't think that applies here. We know the what well. Where we seem to be struggling is the how | 14:29 |
| mlavalle | I think klindgren and wwriverrat have made a good job identifyin the "hot spots" in the code | 14:30 |
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| mlavalle | I propose to push a patch with PoC code | 14:30 |
| mlavalle | that will help us, as a team, cooperate in solving the technical issues | 14:31 |
| mlavalle | The code you are experimenting with is a good starting point | 14:31 |
| slaweq | +1, it will be easier to see in PoC how those problems are solved | 14:31 |
| yamamoto | isn't a spec for the how? | 14:31 |
| mlavalle | yamamoto: mhhhh.... let's not get bogged down in terminology. some what and shome how | 14:33 |
| mlavalle | in this case, given where we are, I think a PoC would be more enlightening | 14:34 |
| yamamoto | i'm not against poc as far as we will have devref or spec in the end | 14:34 |
| amotoki | I think RFE is to discuss what is needed and a spec is to discuss how it can be achieved. (the how includes what should be changed) | 14:34 |
| amotoki | basically +1 for the proposal. PoC should work in this case. | 14:34 |
| klindgren | Ok - I can push some PoC code here hopefully early next week, with what we did to get it working for our use case. I fully expect some parts need to be complexly re-worked. | 14:35 |
| amotoki | one question: can this effort be done only inside neutron? is there no change in the placement side? If we need a chnage in placemment we need a pace to write down the whole picture of the chagne. | 14:36 |
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| mlavalle | klindgren: hang on, let's make sure we have consensus | 14:36 |
| mlavalle | I think yamamoto and amotoki pojnt about the spec is also justified | 14:37 |
| mlavalle | I might have used wrong phrasing | 14:38 |
| mlavalle | let's use the PoC to uncover the challenges | 14:38 |
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| mlavalle | and we re-group in a few weeks and see where we are are on possible impacts to Nova | 14:38 |
| mlavalle | as far as I can tell now, there shouldn't be impact | 14:39 |
| klindgren | I honestly am not sure on the placement side. Right now I have just been trying to boot the second vm with a port that I already created on the second network. That part *does* seem to work. But I also wanted to confirm this works organically, as well. | 14:39 |
| mlavalle | because we already hva the IPv4 inventories in placement | 14:39 |
| mlavalle | but the PoC work might help uncover potential issues | 14:39 |
| mlavalle | and at that point we can take the learning and write up a spec | 14:40 |
| mlavalle | does that work? | 14:40 |
| amotoki | mlavalle: the above makes sense to me | 14:40 |
| slaweq | +1 | 14:40 |
| yamamoto | +1 | 14:40 |
| mlavalle | does that work for you klindgren and wwriverrat? | 14:41 |
| klindgren | Yes it does | 14:41 |
| wwriverrat | +1 from me :) | 14:41 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: any thoughts? | 14:42 |
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| mlavalle | let's assume he is ok | 14:43 |
| njohnston | I'm just spectating, but having worked in enterprises where the typical VLAN IP allocation size was /27 it makes total sense to me. | 14:43 |
| haleyb | sorry, was looking at something else | 14:44 |
| haleyb | i'm ok with what you decide | 14:44 |
| mlavalle | njohnston: absolutely. I think we are at a point where the routed networks original implemantation is meeting the reality and we need to incorporate the feedback of that reality to make this feature reach its potential | 14:45 |
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| mlavalle | klindgren, wwriverrat: thanks for your feedback. I personally struggled a bit with the original form of that RFE, and your feedback was very valuable | 14:46 |
| klindgren | No problem, thank you guys for your time. | 14:47 |
| mlavalle | I'll capture the decision in the RFE and will mark it as approved | 14:47 |
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| mlavalle | klindgren, wwriverrat: I'll leave also a pointer in the RFE to the message in the ML as a reference | 14:49 |
| wwriverrat | awesome | 14:49 |
| mlavalle | Next one to discuss in the list is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1793653 | 14:51 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1793653 in neutron "[RFE] Enable other subprojects to extend l2pop fdb information" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to ChenjieXu (midone) | 14:51 |
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| Chenjie | mlavalle:thanks! | 14:51 |
| mlavalle | we might not have time to finish the discussion, but at least we can set it up for next week | 14:52 |
| Chenjie | ok | 14:53 |
| slaweq | IIRC it was already discussed few weeks ago | 14:53 |
| slaweq | yamamoto: did You get any feedback from ODL team? | 14:53 |
| mlavalle | yes, and Chenjie provided feedback in the RFE that now we have to digest | 14:53 |
| yamamoto | slaweq: no | 14:54 |
| slaweq | yamamoto: ok, I just remember that we talked about it, right? | 14:54 |
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| mlavalle | yamamoto: yamahata and manjeets are closer to my time zone than yours. I can take that action time | 14:55 |
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| yamamoto | slaweq: i pinged yamahata and he said he would talk with relevant folks. i haven't heard anything since then. | 14:56 |
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| yamamoto | mlavalle: sure, i guess it works better | 14:56 |
| slaweq | sure, no problem :) I just wanted to ask if You have anything | 14:56 |
| mlavalle | yamamoto: cool | 14:57 |
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| slaweq | IIRC this was our biggest concern, if we should provide some abstraction for such stadium projects, right? | 14:57 |
| mlavalle | yes | 14:57 |
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| slaweq | ok | 14:58 |
| mlavalle | Chenjie: thanks for the feedback provided in the RFE. There is a lot to digest there | 14:58 |
| yamamoto | slaweq: yes. i still struggle to understand how it can work but i guess it's just me. | 14:58 |
| mlavalle | we will start the meeting with this RFE next week | 14:58 |
| slaweq | fine for me | 14:59 |
| Chenjie | mlavalle: thank you so much! | 14:59 |
| Chenjie | everyone, thank you for your time! | 14:59 |
| mlavalle | yamamoto: your concerns are always important in this team | 14:59 |
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| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Nov 30 15:00:08 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2018/neutron_drivers.2018-11-30-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2018/neutron_drivers.2018-11-30-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2018/neutron_drivers.2018-11-30-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
| slaweq | o/ | 15:00 |
| amotoki | thanks | 15:00 |
| njohnston | o/ | 15:00 |
| yamamoto | good night | 15:00 |
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| Chenjie | yamammoto: it hleps me to make the RFE clear. | 15:00 |
| Chenjie | yamamoto: thank you for your comment! | 15:01 |
| Chenjie | good night! | 15:01 |
| smcginnis | #startmeeting releaseteam | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Nov 30 15:02:28 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' | 15:02 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stein-relmgt-tracking Agenda | 15:02 |
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| smcginnis | Around line 162 | 15:03 |
| ttx | o/ | 15:03 |
| smcginnis | No actual meeting agenda, at least so far. | 15:04 |
| smcginnis | But good to check in. | 15:04 |
| smcginnis | #topic Release failure | 15:04 |
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| fungi | might just be a short meeting then ;) | 15:04 |
| smcginnis | Should probably at least mention that we had some failures earlier in the week. | 15:04 |
| smcginnis | These were related to pypi mirroring if I understood correctly fungi? | 15:04 |
| fungi | not really | 15:05 |
| fungi | wednesday it was ipv6 connectivity problems causing rackspace's dfw region to be unable to reach pypi.org's fastly cdn endpoint | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 15:05 |
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| fungi | thursday it was an openstackansible bug causing the neutron ovs agent not to restart on a host in vexxhost's sjc1 region | 15:06 |
| ttx | smcginnis: what? I did put something on the agenda! | 15:06 |
| smcginnis | Oh, OK. All appears to be resolved now. | 15:06 |
| fungi | both had the effect of causing connectivity issues/disruptions to or from the mirror servers, but that was merely a symptom of a much larger problem in both cases | 15:06 |
| smcginnis | ttx: I see that now, sorry. | 15:07 |
| smcginnis | Anyway, they all appear to be resolved and we've done a few. The failed ones were reenqueued and everything worked as expected. | 15:07 |
| fungi | yep! | 15:07 |
| smcginnis | #topic Release type tracking | 15:07 |
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| ttx | o/ | 15:08 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/UChiqxElUV | 15:08 |
| smcginnis | ttx: OK, all yours. | 15:08 |
| ttx | I'm slowly going down all those corner cases | 15:08 |
| ttx | Forces us to look into things we happily kept in the shadows before | 15:08 |
| ttx | I had one question | 15:09 |
| smcginnis | Ignorance is bliss? :) | 15:09 |
| ttx | Basically there is a gap between governance addition and release addition | 15:09 |
| ttx | and once we cover all the corner cases, that's what will be left | 15:09 |
| ttx | how do we want to handle those | 15:09 |
| ttx | are we happy to let them go release-less forever ? | 15:10 |
| ttx | should we aggressively seek to add deliverable files to cover them ? | 15:10 |
| smcginnis | Projects just added to governance? | 15:10 |
| ttx | (which means choosing a release model really) | 15:10 |
| ttx | smcginnis: new deliverables | 15:10 |
| ttx | (from new or existing projects) | 15:11 |
| ttx | example: tenks. Was added recently, so showed up in my report. Ironic team hopes to make a release soon, but it's unclear when that will happen | 15:11 |
| smcginnis | We could add that as one of the required things for deliverables added to projects.yaml in the governance repo, but that doesn't feel like the right place for that kind of thing. | 15:12 |
| ttx | should we have some kind of a pre milestone-2 review to parse the list of new deliverables? | 15:12 |
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| ttx | smcginnis: I fear it might be too early | 15:12 |
| smcginnis | That may be a good idea. We could add to our process doc that we need to perform an audit for those things every milestone 2. | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | you have a tool to show the list of things in governance but not in the releases repo? | 15:13 |
| ttx | yes, check once per cycle. | 15:13 |
| ttx | dhellmann: I have a tool I used to create my gap list yes | 15:13 |
| fungi | it's certain there are teams who add deliverables that take a year or more to actually get off the ground, so while there's probably no harm in forcing them into some sort of release cadence during their formation i expect a lot of teams won't see the benefit in that | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | yeah, then it seems like a periodic manual review would work | 15:13 |
| smcginnis | And it may be that they still don't know by m-2, but at least it would be a point to remind them it will need to be done and help us catch things from slipping between the cracks. | 15:13 |
| ttx | once we fix all the corner cases and historical oddities, it should be pretty reliable to catch new things | 15:13 |
| ttx | and if something is not "ready" by stein m-2 we can wait... and if it's still not ready by train-2 we'd question whether it needs to stay or not | 15:14 |
| dhellmann | wfm | 15:14 |
| smcginnis | At least we would know. | 15:14 |
| ttx | yes | 15:15 |
| ttx | OK, I can document that | 15:15 |
| smcginnis | ttx: Want to add something to process.rst for this? | 15:15 |
| smcginnis | Hah, good. | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | and check that tool into the releases repo? | 15:15 |
| fungi | what's the downside to letting new official deliverables just be release:independent by default until they pick something else? | 15:15 |
| ttx | But we first need to clean the list so that it only contains new stuff :) | 15:15 |
| smcginnis | #action ttx to document new deliverable review process for milestone 2. | 15:15 |
| ttx | fungi: the change from independent to cycle-tied is a bit dirty | 15:16 |
| ttx | it leaves things around | 15:16 |
| ttx | I mean behind | 15:16 |
| fungi | ahh | 15:16 |
| ttx | Like you end up with entries on both sides without clearly knowing which one applies | 15:16 |
| smcginnis | We could add something like an _undeclared group, but I think that would be overkill. | 15:17 |
| fungi | so better that they skip participating in releases and then jump straight to cycle-oriented release models once they're ready to start making releases? | 15:17 |
| ttx | yes | 15:17 |
| fungi | got it | 15:17 |
| ttx | it's also consistent with our "release membership" deadline | 15:17 |
| ttx | and for independent things, it's a one-in-a-cycle health check | 15:17 |
| smcginnis | Per cycle manual checks work for me. Seems like a low impact way to handle this. | 15:18 |
| ttx | Thanks, will do | 15:20 |
| smcginnis | OK, I think we have consensus. Let's go with that. | 15:20 |
| ttx | </over> | 15:20 |
| smcginnis | #topic Open discussion | 15:20 |
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| smcginnis | That's all on the agenda. | 15:20 |
| smcginnis | I should point out I'm travelling next week. | 15:21 |
| ttx | did we need to make further progress on the release process changes ? | 15:21 |
| smcginnis | I believe I should be around for the meeting though. | 15:21 |
| smcginnis | Which changes? | 15:21 |
| smcginnis | Oh, the work from the PTG> | 15:21 |
| ttx | I seem to remember we had several steps to sell | 15:21 |
| smcginnis | I had started a script to identify cycle-with-intermediary deliverables to release at milestones. | 15:21 |
| smcginnis | I need to give that a little more attention and push that up. | 15:22 |
| smcginnis | We changed -with-milestones to -with-rc, so that part I think is mostly good. | 15:22 |
| ttx | did we do ""announce the "choose your model" moment at milestone-2 for intermediary things that haven't released yet"" | 15:23 |
| smcginnis | No, I don't believe so. | 15:24 |
| ttx | That's a big one | 15:24 |
| smcginnis | I need to look back over everything we had planned to do. | 15:24 |
| smcginnis | That would be for the non-library intemediary things, right? | 15:24 |
| ttx | basically we were planning to tell every cycle-intermediary thing that has not released anything by milestone-2 that they need to release now or switch to cycle-with-rc | 15:24 |
| smcginnis | I'll add that to the next countdown email draft. | 15:25 |
| smcginnis | We have some time, so I'll mention now, then we can bring up again at m-2. | 15:25 |
| ttx | I feel like we need a specific thread to communicate that | 15:25 |
| ttx | sicne it's a big change... | 15:25 |
| dhellmann | we may want to do that as a separate email, too | 15:25 |
| smcginnis | OK, you're probably right. | 15:25 |
| fungi | is that a reversal from the discussion at the ptg where they were going to end up with a release forced for them at milestone 2 instead? | 15:25 |
| ttx | The original plan was to start communicating that doing a single release while on cycle-intermediary is not OK. We did not do that really | 15:26 |
| ttx | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/relmgt-stein-ptg lines ~47 | 15:26 |
| smcginnis | We didn't directly state that, but with the announcement of changing intermediary library releases to be automatically proposed for releases at the milestones it did kind of say that. | 15:26 |
| ttx | yeah, i feel like we did enough prep work, we can drop the hammer in one go | 15:27 |
| ttx | but I'd drop it soon | 15:27 |
| fungi | oh, got it. specifically it was change the release model at milestone 2 if you're a service deliverable, get a release forced for you if you're a library | 15:27 |
| ttx | yes | 15:28 |
| fungi | at first it sounded like you meant all cycle-with-intermediary (or do libraries now get their own separate release model name?) | 15:28 |
| ttx | basically cycle-with-intermediary is not meant to do a single release per cycle (if you do that, you should really be using RCs) | 15:28 |
| ttx | (for services) | 15:28 |
| smcginnis | Wrote down an action for me to draft something to the ML. | 15:29 |
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| ttx | so you get to pick between one-per-cycle (with RCs to prep) and 'at least twice-per-cycle' | 15:29 |
| ttx | that removes the whole uncertainty at the end of the cycle | 15:29 |
| ttx | (we can fall back on last RC or last intermediary, if nobody shows up | 15:30 |
| ttx | smcginnis: ISTR we had email drafts on an etherpad... but maybe not for this one | 15:30 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, I don't think we did for this one. | 15:31 |
| ttx | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stein-relmgt-auto-release-change | 15:31 |
| ttx | ETOOMANYETHERPADS | 15:32 |
| smcginnis | Indeed. | 15:32 |
| smcginnis | Well that's good, content is basically ready to go. | 15:32 |
| smcginnis | Email 3 can probably just be merged into email 4 at this point? | 15:33 |
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| ttx | yeah | 15:34 |
| smcginnis | OK, I'll work on that. | 15:34 |
| ttx | probably needs some polish before sending :) | 15:34 |
| smcginnis | Yeah. | 15:34 |
| ttx | ok that is all I had | 15:34 |
| smcginnis | Think I should wait until early next week to send it so it doesn't get lost over the weekend? | 15:34 |
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| ttx | sure, early next week would be ideal | 15:35 |
| smcginnis | OK, I'll make a note to send it before I have to head to the airport. | 15:35 |
| smcginnis | OK, anything else for this week? | 15:36 |
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| fungi | as of next week there won't be an openstack-dev list any longer, so no need to worry about cross-posting announcements like that either | 15:37 |
| dhellmann | \o/ | 15:37 |
| smcginnis | Great! | 15:37 |
| smcginnis | OK, thanks everyone. Have a good weekend. | 15:37 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 15:38 |
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