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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_performance | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 3 16:01:00 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_performance)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_performance' | 16:01 |
| slaweq | hi | 16:01 |
| rubasov | o/ | 16:01 |
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| mlavalle | how are you guys? | 16:01 |
| rubasov | just started my deputy week, went fine so far | 16:02 |
| mlavalle | lol | 16:02 |
| rubasov | and you? | 16:02 |
| slaweq | fine | 16:02 |
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| mlavalle | catching up with a lot of things. The combination of the trip to Berlin plus the Thanksgiving Holidays (I took one additional day off) really slowed me down | 16:03 |
| mlavalle | #topic osprofiler and Rally | 16:03 |
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| mlavalle | Let's start talking a bit on where we are with adding osprofiler to the Rally job... | 16:04 |
| rubasov | finally I made some progress with the rally job extension: https://review.openstack.org/620952 | 16:04 |
| rubasov | adding some floating IP operations | 16:04 |
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| mlavalle | Super nice. Thanks! | 16:05 |
| rubasov | I still should upload another patch covering the floating IP association api ops | 16:05 |
| rubasov | hoping to do that this week | 16:05 |
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| njohnston | o/ | 16:05 |
| haleyb | hi | 16:06 |
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| mlavalle | rubasov: so wait for the next revision before reviewing? | 16:06 |
| rubasov | mlavalle: that will be a 2nd change | 16:06 |
| rubasov | feel free to go ahead with this one | 16:07 |
| mlavalle | ah ok, then I'll review this one today | 16:07 |
| rubasov | also please leave response if you think other API ops are still missing | 16:07 |
| mlavalle | yes of course | 16:07 |
| mlavalle | slaweq: what's the situation with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/615350/? | 16:08 |
| slaweq | so I didn't work on it too much | 16:08 |
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| slaweq | basically this would work but there is still performance problem | 16:08 |
| slaweq | and osprofiler reports are generated too slow | 16:08 |
| slaweq | I talked with andreykurilin about it today | 16:08 |
| slaweq | and he told me that changing osprofiler backend to something else then redis may help with it | 16:09 |
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| slaweq | so I will need to add support for other backends in osprofiler devstack plugin first and test it | 16:09 |
| mlavalle | do you have bandwidth? | 16:10 |
| slaweq | I will try to do it this week | 16:10 |
| slaweq | but if You want to take it, feel free :) | 16:10 |
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| mlavalle | if you think you can work on it this week, then why don't I ping you on Friday and see if you made any progress? I you don't I can look at it | 16:12 |
| mlavalle | does that worlk? | 16:12 |
| slaweq | yes, sounds good for me | 16:12 |
| slaweq | thx | 16:12 |
| mlavalle | on the contrary, thanks for working on this | 16:12 |
| mlavalle | I think that getting osprofiler enabled in Rally is a very important step | 16:12 |
| slaweq | yw :) | 16:12 |
| slaweq | yes, and it may help a lot with many things in future | 16:13 |
| mlavalle | that will start providing us with baseline data on where the bottlenecks are | 16:13 |
| mlavalle | and from there we can start drawing some conclusions and even enable us to enlist other people who might help us..... | 16:14 |
| mlavalle | which leads me to the next topic | 16:14 |
| mlavalle | #topic Neutron performance conversations during Berlin Summit | 16:15 |
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| qwebirc62878 | #startmeeting cloudkitty | 16:16 |
| openstack | qwebirc62878: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 16:16 |
| mlavalle | Over the past few months I had been watching some videos of presentation on message brokers performance given by Ken Giusti (kgiusti I believe is his irc nickname) | 16:17 |
| njohnston | qwebirc62878: cloudkitty meetings occur in #cloudkitty: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#CloudKitty_Team_Meeting | 16:18 |
| mlavalle | qwebirc62878: we are running the Neutron performance meeting, which is scheduled at this time http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Neutron_Performance_sub-team_Meeting | 16:18 |
| mlavalle | anyway, kgiusti works for Red Hat out of the same office where haleyb is located | 16:18 |
| mlavalle | he is also a core team meber of oslo.messaging | 16:19 |
| mlavalle | I was able to track him down during the Summit and had lunch with him | 16:19 |
| mlavalle | he is willing to help us with performance issues in Neutron if they happen to involve the RPC channel | 16:20 |
| mlavalle | I copied all of you in an email that I sent him last night | 16:21 |
| njohnston | yes, thanks! | 16:21 |
| mlavalle | I spent some time yesterday revieiwing the places where we have RPC channel related calls to osprofiler | 16:21 |
| mlavalle | it seems to me that we are pretty much covering all the important components | 16:22 |
| mlavalle | but as usual, I might be wrong, so please feel free to respond and correct me | 16:22 |
| mlavalle | this is where I say that it is important to get osprofiler enabled in the Rally job | 16:23 |
| mlavalle | is can see / show in the data of Rally that the RPC channl is indeed a problem. kgiusti is willing to help to dig further | 16:23 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: he is a short, slim guy with a pony tail, in his mid 50s, in case you see him around | 16:24 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: ack, i don't think i've met him, maybe someone else in his group though | 16:25 |
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| haleyb | so is there a specific bug, or just room for improvement here? | 16:25 |
| rubasov | so you suspect raw messaging performance to be a bottleneck, right? but we need data of course to confirm or deny | 16:25 |
| rubasov | would that lead to rabbitmq tuning, or ditching rabbit for something else? | 16:26 |
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| mlavalle | haleyb: at this point no bug report yet. as rubasov says, I would like to get some data first from Rally | 16:26 |
| * slaweq needs to go afk for a while, will read log from meeting later, sorry | 16:27 | |
| mlavalle | rubasov: yes, that may lead to a range of possibilities: code optimization on our part, rabbitmq tunning, changing the messaging broker | 16:27 |
| rubasov | mlavalle: got it, thanks | 16:28 |
| haleyb | i know there are people looking at different message brokers as well | 16:28 |
| mlavalle | yes, kgiusti has been cooperating with a group in a French reasearch institute, Inria | 16:29 |
| mlavalle | the presentations he has ben giving on the subject are in cooperation with them | 16:30 |
| mlavalle | so that leads me to the other part of my update... | 16:30 |
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| mlavalle | during the lunch I had with kgiusti, he introduced me to members of the Inria team | 16:31 |
| mlavalle | and it turns out that they have about 10 people full time working on OpenStack performance | 16:31 |
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| mlavalle | They have this EnOS framework (https://enos.readthedocs.io/en/stable/) | 16:32 |
| njohnston | that looks interesting | 16:32 |
| mlavalle | Repo here: https://github.com/BeyondTheClouds/enos | 16:32 |
| rubasov | wow, that sounds like serious work | 16:32 |
| mlavalle | which is part of a larger initiative, which Red Hat is sponsoring: https://beyondtheclouds.github.io/\ | 16:33 |
| mlavalle | This reasearch institute, Inria, seems to be closely associated with https://www.grid5000.fr/mediawiki/index.php/Grid5000:Home, which is a testbed for cloud infrastructure | 16:34 |
| mlavalle | earlier today I copied all of you in an email I sent to Javier Balderrama, one of the Inria researchers | 16:35 |
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| mlavalle | Based on all this, I have an initial vision of our performance work as follows: | 16:36 |
| mlavalle | 1) we use rally and osprofiler to get an initial characterization of Neutron performance | 16:36 |
| mlavalle | 2) Based on ^^^^, we ask Ken to help us improve the rpc channel behavior | 16:37 |
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| mlavalle | 3) with enough data and a well defined test, we might conduct a large scale experiment with the inria guys. One of them told over lunch that they regularly conduct tests with a 1000 conducts on Grid'5000 | 16:38 |
| mlavalle | 1000 computes^^^^ | 16:38 |
| njohnston | wow | 16:38 |
| rubasov | congrats for organizing this | 16:39 |
| njohnston | yes indeed, this is great collaboration | 16:40 |
| mlavalle | Their interest is purely research. So if we can organize something where thay and we can learn, it might be a great partnership | 16:40 |
| mlavalle | This is my update for today | 16:41 |
| mlavalle | so for the next meeting: | 16:42 |
| mlavalle | 1) Let's make progress with osprofiler and Rally | 16:42 |
| mlavalle | 2) Finish adding resources to the Rally test | 16:42 |
| rubasov | ack | 16:42 |
| mlavalle | 3) See the feedback we get from Ken and the Inria team | 16:43 |
| mlavalle | does this sound like a plan? | 16:43 |
| rubasov | it does | 16:43 |
| mlavalle | ok.... | 16:44 |
| mlavalle | #topic On demand agenda | 16:44 |
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| mlavalle | Anything else we should discuss today? | 16:44 |
| rubasov | I don't have anything else for today | 16:44 |
| njohnston | me neither | 16:45 |
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| mlavalle | ok, thanks for attending | 16:45 |
| mlavalle | Have a great week | 16:45 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 16:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 16:46 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 3 16:46:03 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_performance/2018/neutron_performance.2018-12-03-16.01.html | 16:46 |
| rubasov | you too | 16:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_performance/2018/neutron_performance.2018-12-03-16.01.txt | 16:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_performance/2018/neutron_performance.2018-12-03-16.01.log.html | 16:46 |
| rubasov | thank you | 16:46 |
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