Wednesday, 2018-12-19

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diablo_rojo#startmeeting fc_sig07:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Dec 19 07:00:41 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is diablo_rojo. Information about MeetBot at
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diablo_rojocmurphy, you made it!07:00
cmurphyi made it07:01
diablo_rojogmann, around?07:01
diablo_rojo#link Agenda07:02
diablo_rojocmurphy, when do you head back to the US again?07:02
cmurphydiablo_rojo: tomorrow!07:02
diablo_rojocmurphy, woohoo!07:03
diablo_rojoSounds like gmann isn't going to be able to make it so I think we can get started since everyone else is here07:04
diablo_rojo#topic New COntributor Patches07:05
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mattoliveraui'll admit i didnt do my homework07:05
diablo_rojoI did.. other parts of the homework?07:06
diablo_rojotonyb, cmurphy do the homework?07:06
* cmurphy nope :/07:06
mattoliveraui see a swift one from a few weeks ago i should target. but will also have a go at contacting a few more on the list tomorrow07:06
tonybdiablo_rojo: no :(07:07
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mattoliverausorry my typing is slow was i have a 3 month old nibbling one of my hands :)07:07
diablo_rojoShame on all of us.07:07
tonybdiablo_rojo: Actually I looked but there wern't any new ones for me to help with07:07
diablo_rojomattoliverau, WE DEMAND BABY PICTURES07:07
diablo_rojotonyb, looking is more than I did07:08
diablo_rojoOkay so it sounds like not much to report on here then.07:09
diablo_rojoShall I move on?07:09
cmurphyactually there was one for keystone that i tried to help with but they never came back to address the feedback07:09
diablo_rojocmurphy, I have found that too07:10
diablo_rojoSeems like not many come back with updates07:10
diablo_rojonot sure how to help with that07:10
diablo_rojoSOmething to think on I guess.07:11
mattoliveraufor now just continue doing what we'rrrre doing.07:11
diablo_rojo#topic Ask.o.o07:11
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mattoliveraujust was:
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diablo_rojoLol that was one of my softball ones07:12
diablo_rojoI posted two07:12
diablo_rojoI love seeing that three people responded.07:13
mattoliverauahh nice :)07:13
diablo_rojoI posted them as anonymous cause I was curious how people would respond.07:14
diablo_rojoI figured if my name was on them they'd get ignored07:14
mattoliveraugood plan07:14
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* diablo_rojo tries to find link to her other question07:15
mattoliverauThere was another tagged beginner, but not really about getting involved. rather an actual question07:15
* diablo_rojo should have saved the url07:15
mattoliveraulol, or used one of the tags we watch ;)07:15
diablo_rojoI was pretty sure I did07:16
diablo_rojoFound it!07:16
diablo_rojoIf someone wants to add the non-code contributor guide as well that would be cool.07:18
diablo_rojoI don't think I should answer my own question ;)07:18
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diablo_rojosomeone want to take that action item?07:20
mattoliverauIf no one else will, I will07:20
tonybThanks mattoliverau :)07:20
mattoliverauIf I take an easy action item then when another comes up then I'm guilt free :P07:21
diablo_rojo#action mattoliverau to answer
* tonyb was waiting for a full minute ;P07:21
tonybmattoliverau: is smart ;P07:21
diablo_rojoAny other new questions anyone noticed?07:21
diablo_rojoI can try to come up with another softball question to post again..07:21
diablo_rojoMaybe two if I get really ambitious.07:22
diablo_rojoAnything else on this topic?07:22
mattoliveraugreat work diablo_rojo!07:22
diablo_rojoThanks :)07:23
diablo_rojoOkay... moving on07:24
diablo_rojo#topic 2018 Annual Report07:24
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diablo_rojoSo! For those of you that don't know. We do these thrilling annual reports for the board/sponsors etc.07:24
mattoliverausounds thrilling07:25
diablo_rojoAnd I had to write a section (well...many sections, but that's beside the point) for the first contact sig, being the chair.07:25
diablo_rojoPlease feast your eyes on my feat of words and englishing:07:26
diablo_rojo#link Annual Report07:26
diablo_rojoAnd tell me if I missed anything or misspelled anything07:26
diablo_rojoLines 39 onward atm07:26
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diablo_rojoI covered the larger points- we now do meetings, we have more people, the project liaisons. The contributing organisation guide..07:27
mattoliveraufrom an initial quick parse looks good. but will read more carefully later :)07:27
diablo_rojothat was the bulk of things, but if there is anything else I should call out, please let me know :)07:27
diablo_rojomattoliverau, so long as later is before EO-US-D tomorrow :)07:28
diablo_rojoEnd of US Day07:28
diablo_rojoThat's when it's 'due'07:28
tonybcertainly better than the lame one from the EM SIG07:28
diablo_rojoAnd the writer of that one even uses the Queen's English on a regular basis ;)07:29
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diablo_rojoI think that's all I had for this topic.07:29
diablo_rojoShall we press on?07:29
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mattoliveraupress on07:30
diablo_rojo#topic Sanbox Bot07:30
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* diablo_rojo looks at tonyb 07:30
tonybhe left07:30
diablo_rojoshould have changed nick's before saying that07:30
tonybUmm nothing to report really I still need to send the rationale and design to the list07:30
* tonyb will do that on Friday (pinky promise)07:31
diablo_rojoAnything we can do to help with that?07:31
diablo_rojoOr just leave you alone? :)07:31
diablo_rojoAlright, sounds like we can move on then.07:31
tonybNot a lot to do right now, but pile on the design discussion when it happens07:32
diablo_rojoCan do.07:32
diablo_rojoWill keep an eye out for that on the discussion ML07:32
diablo_rojo#topic Reqs for Organisations Contributing to OpenStack07:32
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tonybI'll post a URL in the other channel when it hits the archive07:33
diablo_rojotonyb, sounds good07:33
diablo_rojoSo! thanks again mattoliverau for taking on writing all of that up07:33
diablo_rojoand dealing with all the comments07:33
diablo_rojoand doing the follow ups super quickly07:33
mattoliveraunps. though to he honest, I've lost track of it lately.07:33
mattoliverauI really need to refamilarise myself with it.07:34
diablo_rojoI passed the document onto the Business Development team (particularly Danny who onboards new sponsors). So he will start including that info in emails he sends out.07:34
mattoliverauthat's what happens when you miss a PTG and Summit07:34
diablo_rojoI still need to ping Heidi about it, but I might wait till the new year since everything has slowed downn a bunch.07:34
diablo_rojomattoliverau, yeah, maybe you should stop doing that ;)07:35
mattoliveraudon't worry, no more kids for me :)07:35
diablo_rojoStill need to present the docs to the board, but I was going to wait till the board of directors individual election concludes so we can get all the new people on the same page07:36
* diablo_rojo doesn't remember when that is happening off the top of her head07:36
mattoliveraumakes sense07:36
tonybmid-late Jan IIRC07:36
diablo_rojoYeah that sounds right.07:36
diablo_rojoSo as soon as that thing happens, I will get on the agenda07:37
diablo_rojoI know nominations are going on right now.07:37
mattoliverauin the meantime, I'll try and catch up with everything I missed.07:37
diablo_rojoOh so nominations are done.07:38
diablo_rojomattoliverau, sounds good, you have plenty of time :)07:38
tonybdiablo_rojo: yeah looks like it07:39
diablo_rojoAnything else on this topic?07:39
diablo_rojoAlright. Last one!07:40
diablo_rojo#topic People to Reach out to07:40
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* diablo_rojo knows someone volunteered to talk to these people but can't remember who it was07:40
diablo_rojomattoliverau? cmurphy?07:41
cmurphyI had volunteered for one, not all07:42
diablo_rojo(18 min left)07:42
mattoliveraucan't remember, probably me, though I do remember someone saying they might have a contact or something on the inside (or we needed to find one). That was pre 2nd baby so my brain is pretty fried :P07:42
mattoliverauoh yeah I was going to contact inspur or something07:43
diablo_rojoyeah that all sounds right07:43
diablo_rojocmurphy, did you talk to the person?07:43
* diablo_rojo thinks yes07:43
cmurphyI emailed them but they didn't respond07:43
diablo_rojoAh yes.07:43
cmurphyand i continue to see the same types of changes from them07:44
diablo_rojocmurphy, did you want to try again? Or want someone else to try?07:44
cmurphyi'd be interested to see if someone else has better luck/a better approach07:44
mattoliverauwhich one did you email?07:45
diablo_rojomattoliverau, you wanna give it a try?07:45
tonybSure I can try07:46
* diablo_rojo envisions tonyb waiting for the minute to pass before agreeing07:46
diablo_rojoOh cool :)07:46
diablo_rojoThank you :)07:46
mattoliveraulol, yeah, I was waiting 1 minute and 1 second :P07:46
tonybWhich one shoudl I try first?07:46
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tonybmattoliverau: good plan.07:47
diablo_rojoGo for melissaml who isn't on the list in the agenda actually07:47
diablo_rojomattoliverau, did you still want to find an inspur person?07:48
mattoliverauI'll try contacting the dev directly first.07:48
diablo_rojomattoliverau, cool, sounds good to me07:48
diablo_rojomattoliverau, like...all the rest of them on the agenda?07:49
* diablo_rojo can't remember if they are all from inspur07:49
mattoliveraunah, inspur 99cloud and 163.com07:50
tonybI think the last 2 domains are basically the just mail hosts like @gmail.com07:50
diablo_rojoOkay so the 99cloud and 163 ones are up for grabs07:51
diablo_rojo(8 min left)07:52
diablo_rojoI can take them if no one wants to volunteer07:52
tonybdiablo_rojo: amybe leave them for next year ?07:53
diablo_rojotonyb, yeah even if I took them, I wouldn't send anything till the first week of January probably07:53
tonybdiablo_rojo: fair07:54
diablo_rojoI can take the todos to talk to the last three(?) but I wont email them till the new year07:55
diablo_rojoOkay so I think that does it for the agenda07:56
mattoliverauup to you, tonyb and myself could give our peeps a go. and report back next meeting, next year.07:56
diablo_rojo#topic Open Discussion07:56
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diablo_rojomattoliverau, that sounds good too07:56
diablo_rojoSo our next scheduled meeting is January 1st..07:56
diablo_rojoDo we want to keep it? Or cancel that?07:56
mattoliverauMaybe skip that one?07:56
* cmurphy would not make that one07:57
diablo_rojoUp to you all. I was maybe going to work that day so it makes no difference to me :)07:57
diablo_rojoSounds like two votes to cancel07:57
mattoliverauI'll be at a holiday house on philip island, so probably wouldn't make it.. however, with my in-laws so maybe I would :P07:57
mattoliveraubut seriously,    yeah cancel07:58
diablo_rojoYeah okay. I'll send an email to the discuss list tomorrow07:58
diablo_rojocmurphy, we should hang out while you are in the US and only 3 hours away07:59
mattoliverau1  more minute07:59
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diablo_rojoAnyone got anything else?08:00
tonybnot from me08:00
cmurphydiablo_rojo: :D08:00
diablo_rojoHave a good rest of 2018 everyone!08:01
mattoliverauyou too!!!!08:01
diablo_rojoThanks everyone!08:01
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oneswig#startmeeting scientific-sig11:00
jandersg'day! :)11:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Dec 19 11:00:06 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at
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oneswigjanders: you are quick :-)11:00
oneswigg'day back11:00
janders:) how are things?11:00
priteauHello there11:00
oneswig#link Agenda for today
oneswigAll good here, thanks.  Been a busy couple of weeks.  I presented 3 times in two weeks, on 3 different subjects...11:01
oneswigMorning verdurin priteau11:01
oneswigall well?11:01
jandersthat is very busy indeed! :)11:01
oneswigAll done now, just need to catch up on the Christmas shopping11:02
jandershaha same here :)11:02
janderswe're sorting out a couple different procurement activities if that counts as Christmas shopping11:02
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oneswigooh, like what?11:02
janderslooking good, should have some cool things to work on next year11:02
jandersmostly hardware11:02
jandersfor the cyber system based on SuperCloud architecture11:03
oneswigIs the SuperCloud scaling up for production now?11:03
janderswe'll be writing prod-ready provisioning code from early jan11:03
janderswe switched focus to other things (like BeeGFS) while in tender mode11:04
janderswhen the new equipment lands we should be able to build it pretty quickly11:04
oneswigI met some BeeGFS guys at a conference last week and got a couple of lovely led-bejewelled BeeGFS pin badges from it :-)11:04
jandersexcellent! :)11:05
oneswigby provisioning code, you're talking tripleo heat templates or what?11:05
jandersI finally had a chance to think a bit about what we want from BeeGFS from the OpenStack angle11:05
jandersyes, among other things11:05
jandersbut that's a fair part of it11:05
oneswigHow is it differing from the pilot system you're currently developing on?11:06
janderswe might try to apply the ephemeral hypervisor philosophy to more OpenStack components, so the tripleo run might be just one stage of building the system up11:06
jandersmore emphasis on resiliency11:06
jandersand security11:07
oneswigIt will be fascinating to see where you take this in 2019.11:07
jandersthe prototype focused on proving that the concept is sound and demonstrating the baremetal capability11:08
oneswigSeems you're not the only one blurring the baremetal boundaries.11:08
jandersthe next one will have all that, but should be able to withstand a fair bit more punishment and hardware failures :)11:08
oneswigmgoddard shared this spec out for review on future Ironic-Kubernetes integration:
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mgoddardI'd guess it's quite a way off yet, but interesting to see where ironic could be in a few years11:10
oneswigIs there a term to describe this pattern of running different layers of services mixed up together?11:10
mgoddardmaybe less, depending on how keen RH are11:10
jandersexcellent work! :)11:10
oneswigAnyway, I guess we should get to the agenda (there's not much on it, but we are starting with AOB)11:11
oneswig#topic 2018 retrospective11:11
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oneswigI realised this week I did nothing to write up the activities from the Berlin summit11:12
oneswigWhich was unfortunate as there was a good deal going on.11:12
oneswigI finally managed a write-up of the presentation I did at Ceph days Berlin, so it must be next...11:13
oneswig#link HBP presentation from Ceph days Berlin
oneswigThe most interesting piece from this was the performance quirks of Intel NVMEs using LVM and Bluestore (current Ceph best practice)11:14
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oneswigFrom my SIG-centric POV it's been unfortunate that Blair is not so hands-on with OpenStack in his new job - hopefully he'll get back to that...11:17
jandersexcellent work guys!11:17
oneswigthanks janders :-)11:17
jandersI'm quiet cause I'm barely keeping up to read through the links11:17
jandersbut topics are so interesting I cant resist reading right now11:17
jandersbluestore seems ground breaking11:17
oneswigit made a huge difference in our tests11:18
jandershave you guys looked into IOPS on NVMe-ceph much?11:19
jandersI just skimmed through the later part of the article, sorry if I missed it11:20
oneswigNot so much on IOPS, I was testing at the RADOS level and looked almost exclusively at aggregate bandwidth.11:20
oneswigWe've been doing some work recently on processing the latency histograms from multiple client runs of fio and resampling to generate a single latency histogram, which is pretty cool11:21
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oneswigI was also interested in gathering input on what we should do differently in 2019.  Any thoughts on things we should be doing?11:23
jandersI haven't done any work with ceph/bluestore myself but the concept makes perfect sense and your results reflect that11:23
jandersI like the final comment on xfs vs bluestore on ceph blog:11:24
oneswigIt was a good result, I was happy to see it!11:24
jandersIn the end, we found there was nothing wrong with XFS; it was simply the wrong tool for the job.11:24
oneswigha, that's nice.11:24
jandersI am very happy with the SIG, lots of good discussions and inspiring ideas, not sure what I'd change11:26
oneswigOK that's good to know, thanks.  Any thoughts from anyone else?11:26
janderslocation of the at-the-Summit meeting rooms perhaps :)11:26
janders(the walk to the Berlin one was a bit of a challenge)11:27
oneswigWe filled that room!11:27
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janderstrue! :) scientific stackers are a particularly hardy and stubborn types11:27
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oneswigWe enjoy a hike11:28
oneswig#topic Conferences for 201911:28
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oneswigI had a few mails this week and it got me thinking we should gather details on conferences that might be of interest.11:28
jandersgreat idea11:28
jandersdo you guys know what's the talk proposals deadline for the Lugano conference?11:29
oneswig#link London - UKRI cloud workshop
oneswigverdurin: are you involved in this?11:29
verdurinoneswig: Yes, I am. We had a call about it on Monday.11:29
oneswigI've been a couple of times and found it to be a very informative day.11:30
verdurinAbstract submissions welcome, and accepted until mid-January.11:30
oneswigIs there a particular theme this year?11:30
verdurinWe've suggested themes in the CfP - there's no overall theme beyond that.11:31
oneswigok, thanks verdurin11:32
oneswig#link Lugano, Switzerland - HPC Advisory Council
oneswigVery beautiful place to visit11:32
oneswigLast year there was a great discussion on hpc container infra, really useful.11:32
oneswigThere's a sister conference in Perth janders - well worth the trip I'd say11:33
oneswig#link Singapore - SRECon Asia/Australia
jandersI see Perth is late August11:34
jandersgood to know11:34
oneswigI went to an SRECon before and found it pretty useful (although mostly in abstract terms, there's little consideration for OpenStack content)11:34
jandersgood excuse to escape the end of the winter here in Canberra :)11:34
oneswigjanders: winter in Canberra... you'll be telling me there's a ski season next :-)11:35
jandersnot quite here but 2.5 drive away - yes!11:35
oneswigAny other conferences/workshops people would like to announce?11:36
jandersit would be good to know what's the submission deadline for Lugano if you happen to know11:36
janderswasn't able to find it on the event website11:36
jandersdo you remember what was it like last year?11:37
oneswigI can't see a date for that either.11:37
verdurinIs it too early to start thinking about running something at ISC?11:38
oneswigverdurin: I was thinking about that too, we've not done that before and perhaps we should.11:38
oneswigDo you go?11:38
verdurinThe same - haven't done before, quite likely to this time.11:39
oneswigJohn T is a regular there, I'll see what he thinks.11:39
jandersoneswig: that's from June, somewhere over Perisher Valley, New South Wales11:41
oneswigThat link's not working for me, alas11:41
janderssorry, google rewrites the URL after clicking, I copy pasted the re-written one11:43
oneswigSnow in Australia, looks good!11:44
jandersgood xc skiing up there11:44
jandersLugano or ISC would likely be good timing to present the work we're planing to do with Bright11:45
jandersLugano might be better if we make it early enough11:45
oneswigSounds good to me - but much better to present work actually delivered than still in the conceptual phase :-)11:46
oneswig#topic AOB11:47
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oneswigWhat else is new?11:48
jandersmy guys are making good progress with benchmarking the BeeGFS11:48
jandersI think they got up to 180GB/s on a quarter of the cluster11:48
oneswigThat's huge!11:48
oneswigAre you OPA limited?11:49
oneswigAh, of course, I forgot.11:49
jandersI think the 24NVMes can do 26-28GB/s per node but 2xEDR ports cut that to around 24GB/s per node11:49
oneswig"only" 24GB/s...11:50
oneswigHow many server nodes are delivering 180GB/s?11:51
jandersJohn's hints were invaluable in making decisions on some of the config details - thanks for that11:51
janderschecking the numbers now..11:51
oneswigjanders: you're welcome - share and enjoy11:51
janders8 servers11:52
jandersnot sure how many clients11:52
jandersand more precisely it's 180GB/s peak and 160GB/s sustained11:52
jandersI think they used to run 8 clients, but they might have doubled or tripled that since, can't see the client number in the test report11:53
oneswigThat's pretty much where the data point is on the graphs I've seen from Cambridge, and performance scales linearly from there to 24 servers.11:53
janderswow! that is great news for us11:54
oneswig#link "Hero Performance Numbers" - slide 35
jandershave you tested past 24?11:54
oneswigI don't think so.  Not sure how many storage servers they have available11:54
janderswe have 32, so not much more11:55
janderscapacity requirement was quite high, hence 32 nodes with 24NVMes each11:55
oneswigThat's a lot of nmve11:55
jandersI never quite liked the NVMe density as this requires a fair bit of blocking but it does buy the capacity :)11:56
jandersif it wasn't PCIe3 we'd perhaps be looking at 72GB/s per node11:56
oneswigjanders: ever considered bcache with backing to something bigger and slower?11:57
oneswigLooking ahead to 2019, we have sessions planned on 2FA and iRODS in the pipeline for January.  Anything else people would like to see?11:58
jandersnot at CSIRO - in my days at RHAT I did look at something similar11:58
oneswigIf we are looking at iRODS, we might also want to look at Rucio11:58
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oneswigOK, we are at time - anything more to add?11:59
jandersone last comment on BeeGFS - I finally spent some time thinking about BeeGFS-OpenStack integration ideas - will share a googly doc11:59
oneswigjanders: the people I met were very enthusiastic about this, please do!11:59
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verdurinjanders: yes, would be interested to see11:59
janderswhat I have right now is nothing groundbreaking but it'll be a start12:00
jandersand other than that - Merry Christmas All! :)12:00
oneswigSame to you janders - seasons greetings everyone12:00
jandersI'll be away 21 Dec - 6 Jan so speak after the break12:00
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jungleboyjcourtesy ping jungleboyj diablo_rojo, diablo_rojo_phon, rajinir tbarron xyang xyang1 e0ne gouthamr thingee erlon tpsilva ganso patrickeast tommylikehu eharney geguileo smcginnis lhx_ lhx__ aspiers jgriffith moshele hwalsh felipemonteiro lpetrut lseki _alastor_ whoami-rajat yikun rosmaita enriquetaso16:00
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rosmaitathat was quick16:03
jungleboyjYeah, just needed to walk upstairs.  :-)16:04
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jungleboyjOk, so looks like we have quorum.16:04
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jungleboyj#topic announcements16:05
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jungleboyjNot a lot here at the moment.16:05
jungleboyjWell, I guess that isn't true.16:06
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jungleboyjFirst, we won't have a meeting on 12/26 as I am guessing a lot of people will be on vacation.  I am planning to be.16:06
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jungleboyjI could host a meeting if people wanted it.16:06
jungleboyjAnyone feel a pressing need for that though?16:06
whoami-rajatcan attend if it will happen.16:07
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jungleboyjOk, don't see people begging to have one.16:07
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jungleboyjSo, lets take a break on 12/26 and then return on 1/2/2019.16:08
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smcginnisI'll be out the 24th through the 2nd. Not sure if I'll bring my laptop with me yet, but ping me if needed.16:08
jungleboyjI think it will be important to get back together on 1/2 as we will be coming up on milestone 2.16:08
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jungleboyjHave some drivers to look at and try to get merged.  Perhaps.16:09
jungleboyjSo, that would be my other announcement.  For drivers that are trying to get merged that should be our review focus right now.16:10
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jungleboyjAs far as my vacation I am off 12/22 to 1/2/2019 but I will be checking mail and IRC and stuff.  Just may be slower responses than usual.16:11
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jungleboyjsmcginnis:  Any other comments around all of that?16:12
smcginnisJust pay attention to our deadlines for milestone 2.16:12
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jungleboyjsmcginnis:  ++16:12
smcginnisThose hoping to get drivers in, make sure code is complete, CI is reporting, and you respond quickly to any review commeents.16:12
jungleboyjOk.  Moving on.16:13
smcginnisFor cores, maybe if there are minor issues to address, might be good to accept the driver if all else is good and make sure there are follow ups to fix the minor things.16:13
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jungleboyjsmcginnis:  Agreed.  If they have their CI running and everything I would agree with that.16:13
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e0nesmcginnis: I can remove my -2 from Hedvig driver if team is OK to merge it16:13
eharneydid hedvig ever pass the expected tempest tests?16:14
jungleboyje0ne:  So, they have had their CI running and have been responding to comments.16:14
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jungleboyjeharney:   I think they just got the last test case running.16:14
jungleboyjeharney:  I thought I saw them mention that yesterday.  They pinged you too.16:15
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smcginnise0ne: If you are OK with their response.16:15
e0neI'm still not happy with logging errors and unit tests16:15
smcginnisThere was still an issue with shelve, but personally I'm fine with that being skipped for now.16:16
e0neI can -1 on it with a comment16:16
jungleboyje0ne:  I need to take a look at their response.  It isn't my favorite design.16:16
e0nejungleboyj: +116:16
smcginnisWouldn't be surprised if the shelve issue is not on their end.16:16
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jungleboyje0ne:  Is the main concern logging?16:16
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eharneyhmm, they said yesterday that they had to make a fix on their backend to pass test_volume_boot_pattern  .... concerning16:17
eharneybut ok16:17
smcginnisI'm sure if we dug into all of the storage backends, there would be a lot considered "concerning". ;)16:17
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jungleboyjsmcginnis:  True.16:18
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e0nejungleboyj: they don't have unit tests for work with their rest client too16:18
jungleboyjTo some extent, this is their driver.16:18
jungleboyje0ne: Lets not minus two.16:19
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jungleboyjLets keep pushing to get the unit tests in and see where we are at on 1/2 and re-address.16:19
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jungleboyjCool.  The RSD driver is going to be in the same boat.16:20
e0neI changed my vote to -116:20
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e0nefeel free to ignore it and +2 :)16:20
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jungleboyje0ne:  I need to look through it again.16:21
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jungleboyjOk.  Anything more on that?16:22
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jungleboyj#topic Issues with Check and Gate jobs failing16:23
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jungleboyjSo, this came up last week.16:23
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jungleboyjtldr;  We have gate jobs that are intermittently failing and making it hard for other projects to merge their code.16:23
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smcginnisWay too many rechecks lately.16:24
jungleboyjThere was a patch to try and address this that went in middle of last week.  It was hoped that adding locking around LVM commands might fix it but that didn't appear to fix things.16:25
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jungleboyjSo, we need to come up with a plan to address the intermittent Cinder failures.16:25
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smcginnisWe did end up switching to setting direct-io on the loopback devices, so we'll see if that makes that issue better.16:26
smcginnisThe locking did not.16:26
smcginnisThere are a bunch of other issues tagged as Cinder in elastic recheck.16:26
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smcginnisAnyone with time, feel free to investigate those.16:27
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  Ok.  I forgot about the directio change.  That is good.  Hopefully that will make a difference.16:27
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jungleboyjYeah.  Argh.  eharney is gone.16:27
jungleboyjenriquetaso:  You are working on Q/A testing with eharney.  Right?16:28
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jungleboyjwhoami-rajat:  You were working on look through some of the bugs right?16:29
enriquetasojungleboyj:yup,  I'm reviwing eric patch's and trying to add more tests16:29
whoami-rajatjungleboyj: yes, yikun and i pushed fix for one of the gate issues.16:29
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jungleboyjOk.  So another way to help is to take a look at gate failures/elastic-recheck bugs.16:30
jungleboyjwhoami-rajat:  Awesome!  Thank you!16:30
whoami-rajatjungleboyj: i didn't dig deep into the ones listed above.16:30
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jungleboyjOk, I think if you are needing guidance focusing on the ones in the elastic-recheck list is the best place to start.16:30
enriquetasoI'll not be on PTO next week, so I'll take a look at it jungleboyj16:30
jungleboyjenriquetaso:  Ok.  Cool.  Thank you!16:31
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whoami-rajatjungleboyj: sure, will look at eleastic-recheck's bugs.16:32
jungleboyjwhoami-rajat:  Thank you.  Is the patch you are talking about the one at the bottom of this week's agenda?16:32
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whoami-rajatjungleboyj:  no,16:33
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jungleboyjwhoami-rajat:  Which patch is the one for the gate issue?16:33
jungleboyjWe should get review priority to that.16:33
whoami-rajatjungleboyj:  #link
openstackLaunchpad bug 1803648 in Cinder "gate failure : testtools.matchers._impl.MismatchError: 'volume.retype' != 'backup.createprogress'" [Undecided,Fix released] - Assigned to Rajat Dhasmana (whoami-rajat)16:33
whoami-rajatthis one.16:33
whoami-rajatjungleboyj: its merged now.16:34
jungleboyjwhoami-rajat:  Ok.  Cool.  Thank you!16:34
smcginnisI thought we merged a fix for that.16:34
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jungleboyjsmcginnis:  Yeah, sounds like we did.16:34
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whoami-rajatsmcginnis: yes16:34
jungleboyjOk, so I think we can move on from that.  We have raised awareness and have people will to help out there.  Thank you.16:35
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jungleboyjOk, the next topic has been addressed.16:36
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jungleboyj#topic review priority gerrit votes:16:36
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smcginnisOK, so some folks have noticed this already.16:36
smcginnisFollowing something that has been working well for designate, I've added a Review-Priority to Gerrit for Cinder projects.16:37
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jungleboyjYeah.  Nice addition.16:37
smcginnisThis allows cores to set a priority between -1 to +1.16:37
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smcginnis-1 will actually block merges, so this is a more specific or clearer way to do a procedural -2.16:37
lbragstadhuh TIL16:38
smcginnisMaking it obvious that it's not a code review -2 and that it's just something we want to hold on for now.16:38
geguileosmcginnis: cool16:38
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jungleboyjsmcginnis: ++16:38
xyangIs this a Cinder specific thing?16:38
jungleboyjCan the -1 be overridden by other reviewers?16:38
geguileosmcginnis: it's sticky, not like the workflow flag, right?16:38
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lbragstadis there a document describing how to set that up?16:38
smcginnisIt also allows us to set things as High Priority (+2) or just a plain priority (+1)16:38
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smcginnisjungleboyj: I don't believe so.16:38
smcginnisxyang: We copied designate.16:39
jungleboyjOk, so the person who did the -1 will still have to remove it.16:39
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smcginnislbragstad: I don't believe so, but if you want to look into it for keystone we can go over the patches to set it up.16:39
smcginnisjungleboyj: I believe so.16:39
smcginnisSO this let's us do nice things like the dashboard I linked to above.16:39
smcginnisThe hope is that in addition to or in place of the spec review tracking etherpad we've had, we can have a nice focused review dashboard for those things.16:40
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jungleboyjsmcginnis:  And easier to update / track /etc.16:40
smcginnisSo cores with limited time to spend reviewing can just go to that dashboard and know what is important to get eyes on.16:40
jungleboyjThank you so much for setting that up.16:40
smcginnisNo problem.16:40
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smcginnisjungleboyj: Up to you I guess on how you want to handle setting those, but I was thinking if cores are aware of something that is really important to get in, anyone can set a priority flag to get that marked and hopefully get things through quickly.16:41
smcginnisSo things like drivers up until the deadline, important features, or even bug fixes.16:41
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jungleboyjsmcginnis:  I think all of the cores should contribute there.16:42
smcginnisI figure we can try this out for awhile. If it works, great. If it doesn't end up being useful, we can just revert the gerrit ACLs that set this up.16:42
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jungleboyjOk.  Makes sense to me.16:42
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smcginnisUnless there's questions, that's all I have on it. Ping me in the channel if there are questions that come up later.16:43
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jungleboyjsmcginnis:  That is a great addition.  Thank you for the help there.16:43
smcginnisI hope it helps get the important things through faster.16:44
smcginnisThat's all.16:44
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jungleboyjOk. On to our last topic:16:45
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jungleboyjFollow up on last week's bug:16:45
openstackLaunchpad bug 1733315 in python-openstackclient "cinder-backup - CLI 'VolumeBackupsRestore' object is not iterable" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Rajat Dhasmana (whoami-rajat)16:45
smcginnisSet topic?16:45
jungleboyj#topic Follow up on last week's bug:16:46
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jungleboyjwhoami-rajat:  Anything particular on this topic?16:46
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enriquetasoI'm facing the same error... if someone else could try to reproduce the bug It will help me16:47
whoami-rajatWe've had a discussion last week on the openstack client bug which should be closed or not. It reproduced in my environment and I pushed up a fix for it. Just wanted to bring it up for everyone to take a look if it got missed.16:47
smcginnisNit, but commit summaries should state what is being done, not what the problem is.16:47
whoami-rajatsmcginnis: ok, will do. Thanks.16:47
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jungleboyjYeah, I think that looks ok to me.  If you are able to explain the fix there that would be great.16:48
smcginnisNot critical, but just for future reference it's best to just say what the patch does.16:48
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whoami-rajatjungleboyj: ok sure. i explained the details in the launchpad bug. will summarize it in the commit message.16:49
jungleboyjwhoami-rajat:  Cool.16:49
jungleboyjAnything else?16:49
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whoami-rajatsmcginnis: ok, i will mind it from next time .16:49
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smcginnisSorry, I didn't mean to derail any conversation there. :]16:50
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jungleboyjNo worries.16:51
jungleboyjOk.  So that covers the agenda.16:51
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jungleboyj#topic Open Discussion.16:51
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smcginnisI did want to mention python version support.16:51
smcginnisAccording to our policy in the past of targeting the LTS releases at the start of a cycle, py35 is no longer our target runtime and we should be focused on 3.6 and getting ready for 3.7.16:52
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smcginnisUnless I missed it, we still have an issue with 3.7 with one of the Dell EMC drivers through its use of taskflow.16:52
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smcginnisProbably not critical until train, but still important to be aware of.16:53
lbragstadI've noticed that cinder has been working through a bunch of changes that add more robust policy testing - which is great16:53
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lbragstadi wanted to swing by today and see if anyone from the cinder team has questions about the approach that I can answer?16:54
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lbragstadi know rosmaita and i had a conversation the other day16:54
smcginnisYeah, thanks for your input on those lbragstad.16:54
smcginnisMight be good for us to mark those as priority patches.16:55
lbragstadyeah - no problem16:55
jungleboyjlbragstad: ++ Thank you.16:55
lbragstadthis is going to be something a lot of other projects are going to have to do too16:55
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lbragstadso i want to get early feedback on what the complicated parts are from early adopters (cinder being the example here)16:55
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smcginnisWill be good then having these as examples that those other projects can then follow too.16:55
jungleboyjI have set them to high priority.  Glad that we have been working on adding those tests.16:56
lbragstadultimately, our goal with better policy testing is to be as simple as possible, so that it's super easy to see who can access the API based on their authorization (e.g., modeling a keystone token)16:56
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smcginnisI've looked at some of them and just need time to work through the rest.16:57
lbragstadthe advantage for y'all is that you'll be able to implement things like a read-only role easier by evolving the policies with a higher level of confidence16:57
smcginnisSo far so good.16:57
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jungleboyjThat is good as that has been an area of interest lately.16:57
rosmaitai am kind of skeptical of this testing approach, though16:58
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lbragstadreally, instead of having to rely on keystone (thus building functional tests), yikun is using an oslo.context object to represent what keystonemiddleware and oslo.context would parse from a keystone token16:58
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lbragstadrosmaita what are your reservations?16:58
rosmaitai'm having trouble articulating this16:59
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rosmaitait seems that if everything is default, it's fine more or less17:00
rosmaitabut this is an area where it is unlikely you will want the default17:00
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lbragstadby everything do you mean policies?17:00
smcginnisTimes up. Let's move to -cinder?17:00
lbragstadalright, meet you there17:00
jungleboyjSounds good.17:00
jungleboyjThanks everyone for joining.17:00
jungleboyjHave a merry Christmas and Happy New Year!17:01
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smcginnisHappy festivus.17:01
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notmyname#startmeeting swift21:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Dec 19 21:01:17 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'swift'21:01
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notmynamewho's here for the swift team meeting?21:01
notmynamenot sure who else will be here. there's a few people I know are out today21:02
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notmynametoday i wanted to talk about the 2.20.0 release21:02
notmynamefirst up, it's done!21:03
notmynamethanks for your work on it21:03
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notmynamethe superuser people asked me to write up a short blog post on it. it's published at
mattoliverau^for the people reading meeting minutes later ;)21:04
notmynamethe 2.19 -> 2.20 gap was pretty large (four months), and there were a lot of good changes21:04
notmynamethe s3 compatibility stuff definitely unblocks a lot of future s3 compat work.21:05
notmynameI know swiftstack will be looking at versioning soon21:05
notmynametimburke: kota_: mattoliverau: any comments about the release? anythign that went well or poorly?21:05
timburkeand i can finally switch people from using (my hacked up) swift3!21:05
mattoliverau^ I was just about to ask timburke if it was enough for that.21:06
mattoliverauso great!21:06
notmynameI have a slight preference for not waiting 4 months until the next release, but I don't feel like we missed any opportunities by not releasing earlier21:07
notmynameas a reminder, here's the openstack stein schedule:21:07
notmynamethe important thing is the april deadline for a release21:07
notmynameI don't know if we'll have one before then or not, but we definitely will have a release that week (or slightly before)21:08
timburkeyeah, given the final release deadline of Apr 1-5, we'd better not wait four months for the next one ;-)21:08
mattoliveraukk,  and maybe a swift client release around march would be good too, if I read that right21:08
notmynamemattoliverau: oh. right. swiftclient.21:09
mattoliverauwell that's when they want to freeze21:09
notmynameoh, right. I want to also tag some stable releases as well21:09
timburkeMar 4-8: Final release for client libraries21:09
notmynamewe've got some backports to land21:09
notmynameand by "we" I know it means me ;-)21:09
notmynamebut any +1s there makes it easier for me to quickly land them21:10
timburkeyou know notmyname, you *can* delegate authority ;-)21:10
mattoliverauI used to run some stable saio intances, maybe I should do that thing again. it made testing backports easier21:10
notmynametimburke: in this case, I'm not actually sure if I can. perhaps21:10
notmynamemattoliverau: we've got the experimental jobs that look good21:11
mattoliverauneed to talk to stable team21:11
notmynameTBH, I probably won't look at them until january. I'm only in the office today and tomorrow, then I'll be off until jan 221:11
mattoliverauoh yeah, btw timburke awesome work on testing jobs and awesomeness.21:11
notmynameI don't think our stable branch policy and reviews is something that needs a lot of changes right now21:11
notmynameyeah, the new zuul tests are great and made me a lot more confident in this release21:12
timburkeeh? oh, the busted jobs...?21:12
notmynamenot any more!21:12
timburketdasilva is the one to thank for the rolling upgrade, though :-) make me feel much better21:12
notmynamelooking ahead, py3 is a looming thing. zaitcev is working hard on it. canonical stopped by to ask for it. mattoliverau needs it for suse21:13
timburkeaccount server should be good! hopefully21:13
notmynamethe "real" deadline is basically 12 months from now. the openstack deadline is the end of the T release. however, all the distros are cutting some sort of LTS before then, so that's what they're tracking21:13
mattoliverauyeah, I saw this morning that landed.     nice21:14
timburkehow hopeful are we that we can do it by stein?21:14
timburkehow much will it hurt if we don't?21:15
notmynametimburke: I think if we don't, swift may not be included in "openstack" by some distros21:15
timburkemight be the sort of questions for which it'd be nice to have zaitcev :-)21:15
timburkegood point. gotta hurt a bit21:16
mattoliverautbh the whole latin-1/ascii for wsgi and utf8 encoded breaks my head. Oh zaitcev responded in the patch.. I shall read it and hopfully some balls will drop.21:16
timburkeit's icky, and unfortunate. i can talk after the meeting about it if you want21:17
notmynameI think I've said everythign that I was wanting to say about the release and what's likely coming in january21:18
notmynamekota_: mattoliverau: timburke:  anything else to bring up or to add?21:18
notmynamekota_: you and tdasilva and rledisez will be at FOSDEM next month. I hope you all have a great time21:18
mattoliverautimburke: sure, though I'll probably forget over the Christmas holidays :P I'll read what zaitcev    wrote and then get back to you. maybe in the new year :P last week for me too.21:18
notmynamemattoliverau and I will be at LCA at about the same time21:18
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timburkedunno if anyone else has seen IOErrors popping out of eventlet, but i wrote up to fix some i saw21:19
kota_notmyname: I'm planning it. I'm looking forward to making it :)21:19
mattoliverautimburke: you should come to LCA ;) then we can have 3 at each!21:19
timburkemight be a little late to buy travel ;-)21:20
notmynameanything else from anyone?21:21
notmynameall right, then21:21
notmynamereminder that there is no meeting next week21:21
notmynamenext meeting is jan 2, and I expect us to pretty much just talk about this same stuff, to remind ourselves what we forgot :-)21:22
kota_have a good christmas week and a new year!21:22
notmynamethanks. and same to everyone else :-)21:22
notmynamethanks for your work on swift21:23
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