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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 20 14:01:49 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 14:01 |
| liuyulong | hi | 14:02 |
| mlavalle | Good evening | 14:02 |
| mlavalle | Welcome to our first L3 meeting on Wednesday | 14:02 |
| mlavalle | #chair liuyulong | 14:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: liuyulong mlavalle | 14:02 |
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| liuyulong | It is not merged yet, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/637900/ | 14:03 |
| mlavalle | oh yeah | 14:03 |
| mlavalle | let me ping the infra guys | 14:03 |
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| mlavalle | ok, posted a review request there | 14:05 |
| mlavalle | liuyulong: this is a better time for you, right? | 14:07 |
| liuyulong | Yeah, it is | 14:08 |
| liuyulong | And it is also better for most east Asia developers. : ) | 14:09 |
| mlavalle | how ready do you feel to start running this meeting? | 14:09 |
| mlavalle | in fact, in the patch I replaced my name with yours as meeting chair | 14:09 |
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| liuyulong | Yes, I noticed that, I think I need some more time, since I have a lot of works from my employer after a really long holiday. | 14:12 |
| mlavalle | ok, just let us know when you feel ready | 14:14 |
| liuyulong | But it will not be too long, I think I will talk to you guys about running this meeting in our next 1-1 conversation. | 14:14 |
| mlavalle | ok | 14:15 |
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| mlavalle | I will still be attending the meetings anyway. So I can always help | 14:15 |
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| mlavalle | This week I am going to take some time to clean up the etherpad | 14:16 |
| slaweq | hi | 14:16 |
| slaweq | sorry, I wasn't sure if that is already changed | 14:16 |
| mlavalle | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-l3-subteam | 14:17 |
| mlavalle | slaweq: I think we got caught in a bit of a gray area | 14:17 |
| mlavalle | the patch hasn't merged | 14:17 |
| mlavalle | but we mentioned last week that we were going to have the meeting this week on Wednesday | 14:18 |
| slaweq | sure, that's fine for me :) | 14:18 |
| mlavalle | so I started the meeting and have been chatting with liuyulong | 14:18 |
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| mlavalle | we are talking about him taking the chair of this eeting | 14:18 |
| mlavalle | meeting^^^ | 14:19 |
| slaweq | yeah, I saw logs in the channel already | 14:19 |
| mlavalle | so, let's move on | 14:20 |
| mlavalle | #topic Announcements | 14:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 14:20 | |
| mlavalle | We have our Stein-3 milestone around the corner, week of March 7th | 14:20 |
| mlavalle | and there is a TC election going on | 14:23 |
| fungi | the meeting schedule update has just been approved, so you should see it update on the schedule within the next few minutes | 14:23 |
| mlavalle | Thank you! | 14:24 |
| fungi | (sorry we didn't see it before your meeting time!) | 14:24 |
| mlavalle | fungi: well, sorry I jumped the gun and started the meeting anyway ;-) | 14:25 |
| liuyulong | fungi, thank you | 14:25 |
| fungi | it's just a formality. nobody minds as long s you're not taking up someone else's scheduled slot ;) | 14:25 |
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| liuyulong | mlavalle, we do not see your TC candidacy | 14:25 |
| mlavalle | liuyulong: you are not going to see one, at least not for the time being | 14:26 |
| mlavalle | ok, let's look at bugs | 14:26 |
| mlavalle | #topic Bugs | 14:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 14:26 | |
| mlavalle | we have this freshly filed bug by Swami: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1816698 | 14:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1816698 in neutron "DVR-HA: Removing a router from an agent, does not clear the namespaces on the agent" [High,Confirmed] | 14:29 |
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| mlavalle | I'll verify that this bug happens with master | 14:30 |
| slaweq | I would like to see logs from l3 agent in such case | 14:31 |
| slaweq | but it might be an issue with rootwrap filters also | 14:31 |
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| mlavalle | slaweq: I agree that it might be a result of the rootwrap issue | 14:33 |
| mlavalle | by the way, the same with https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1789434 | 14:33 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1789434 in neutron "neutron_tempest_plugin.scenario.test_migration.NetworkMigrationFromHA failing 100% times" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Manjeet Singh Bhatia (manjeet-s-bhatia) | 14:33 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: I also today saw some similar issues on Ocata | 14:33 |
| slaweq | but those were related to keepalived process | 14:33 |
| slaweq | in filters we have kill filter for /usr/sbin/keepalived and L3 agent was failing with that | 14:33 |
| slaweq | but when we changed it to "keepalived" (without full path) it worked fine | 14:34 |
| slaweq | so, that's why I would like to see logs for that :) | 14:34 |
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| mlavalle | ok | 14:35 |
| mlavalle | good points | 14:35 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: I can take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1789434 if You want | 14:36 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1789434 in neutron "neutron_tempest_plugin.scenario.test_migration.NetworkMigrationFromHA failing 100% times" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Manjeet Singh Bhatia (manjeet-s-bhatia) | 14:36 |
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| mlavalle | slaweq: yes, please go ahead | 14:36 |
| slaweq | I will unmark those tests as unstable and check in logs how it will be then | 14:36 |
| slaweq | ok | 14:36 |
| mlavalle | and remove the assignment to manjeets | 14:36 |
| slaweq | ok, will do | 14:37 |
| mlavalle | and I'm working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1795870 | 14:37 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1795870 in neutron "Trunk scenario test test_trunk_subport_lifecycle fails from time to time" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Miguel Lavalle (minsel) | 14:37 |
| mlavalle | which seems to be caused by the now infamous lack of rootwrap filter for killing state change monitor | 14:38 |
| mlavalle | I have a fix proposed here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/636710/ | 14:38 |
| mlavalle | and I'll refine it with dougwig's comments | 14:38 |
| mlavalle | any other bugs we should discuss today? | 14:39 |
| slaweq | yes | 14:39 |
| slaweq | I have one | 14:39 |
| slaweq | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1816771 | 14:39 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1816771 in neutron "Creation of router fails in devstack" [Undecided,New] | 14:39 |
| slaweq | I just opened it | 14:40 |
| slaweq | as frickler asked me about that | 14:40 |
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| slaweq | it failed on creating router so I added L3 tags to it | 14:40 |
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| slaweq | but it might be that it is related to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/635671/ which was merged today | 14:40 |
| mlavalle | do we need help triaging it? | 14:41 |
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| slaweq | mlavalle: I think so | 14:41 |
| mlavalle | ok, I'll probably take a look | 14:41 |
| slaweq | tbh I have no idea why it failed like that | 14:41 |
| slaweq | but looks like somehow related to db :) | 14:42 |
| liuyulong | This is worthy to backport to our stable branches. | 14:42 |
| slaweq | liuyulong: are You talking about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/635671/ ? | 14:42 |
| liuyulong | Yes | 14:42 |
| slaweq | I agree but lets first ensure that it didn't introduce any regression in master :) | 14:43 |
| mlavalle | liuyulong: let's wait a bit. Let's dig first into the bug just filed by slaweq | 14:43 |
| slaweq | mlavalle++ | 14:43 |
| liuyulong | sURE | 14:43 |
| haleyb | hi, i didn't know this weeks meeting was changing | 14:44 |
| liuyulong | I will update one mentioned in last l3 meeting: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1792493 | 14:44 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1792493 in kolla-ansible "DVR and floating IPs broken in latest 7.0.0.0rc1?" [Undecided,New] | 14:44 |
| liuyulong | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1792493/comments/15 | 14:44 |
| liuyulong | ^^ | 14:45 |
| mlavalle | liuyulong: thanks | 14:45 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: welcome to the first ever L3 meeting on Wednesday :-) | 14:45 |
| haleyb | :) | 14:45 |
| mlavalle | #topic Openflow DVR | 14:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Openflow DVR (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 14:46 | |
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| mlavalle | davidsha: welcome | 14:47 |
| davidsha | *Pretends I was here the whole tme* | 14:47 |
| davidsha | Hey | 14:47 |
| mlavalle | probably xuubozhang didn't realize the change this week | 14:47 |
| mlavalle | so I am going to send a message to the ML to make sure everybody is aware of the change | 14:48 |
| davidsha | Not yet, Igor is working on the linux/ovs backend part atm I think | 14:48 |
| mlavalle | yeah, that's what I thought | 14:48 |
| davidsha | Xubo is drafting the unit tests for the ovs-dvr patch atm. | 14:48 |
| mlavalle | ok, let's move on | 14:48 |
| mlavalle | Thanks for the update! | 14:49 |
| mlavalle | #topic On demand agenda | 14:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "On demand agenda (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 14:49 | |
| mlavalle | anything else we should discuss today? | 14:49 |
| mlavalle | ok, thanks for attending | 14:50 |
| slaweq | thanks o/ | 14:50 |
| mlavalle | enjoy the rest of your week | 14:50 |
| davidsha | thanks! | 14:50 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 14:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 14:51 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 20 14:51:01 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2019/neutron_l3.2019-02-20-14.01.html | 14:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2019/neutron_l3.2019-02-20-14.01.txt | 14:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2019/neutron_l3.2019-02-20-14.01.log.html | 14:51 |
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| jungleboyj | #startmeeting cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 20 16:00:46 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jungleboyj. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | Courtesy ping: jungleboyj diablo_rojo, diablo_rojo_phon, rajinir tbarron xyang xyang1 e0ne gouthamr thingee erlon tpsilva ganso patrickeast tommylikehu eharney geguileo smcginnis lhx_ lhx__ aspiers jgriffith moshele hwalsh felipemonteiro lpetrut lseki _alastor_ whoami-rajat yikun rosmaita enriquetaso hemna _hemna | 16:01 |
| gouthamr | o/ | 16:01 |
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| geguileo | hi! o/ | 16:01 |
| eharney | hi | 16:01 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 16:01 |
| yikun | o/ | 16:01 |
| whoami-rajat | Hi | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 16:01 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj (。･∀･)ﾉ | 16:01 |
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| enriquetaso | o/ | 16:02 |
| ganso | hello | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | Hello from Snowy Minnesota. | 16:03 |
| rosmaita | hello from snowy Virginia :) | 16:03 |
| * jungleboyj is getting very tired of this winter | 16:03 | |
| * jungleboyj waves | 16:03 | |
| e0ne | hi | 16:03 |
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| tbarron | jungleboyj: :) just remembering 12 years in Minneapolis | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, should probably get started as we have a good number of topics today. | 16:05 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: it's in Kharkiv, my home city about month ago https://www.objectiv.tv/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/1-239.jpg | 16:05 |
| xyang | hi | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Haha, that looks fun. | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | xyang: ? Who is xyang ? ;-) | 16:05 |
| xyang | :) | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. | 16:06 |
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| jungleboyj | #topic Announcements | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:06 | |
| rosmaita | e0ne: i am ashamed to have mentioned the 2 inches of snow i shoveled this morning | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Yikes, thanks for putting it in perspective. :-) | 16:07 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:07 |
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| jungleboyj | #link https://releases.openstack.org/stein/schedule.html | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | So, the week of 3/4 is feature freeze. So we should be winding down development and starting to focus on testing and bug fixes. | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | Don't forget that next week is non-client lib freeze too (os-brick). | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | Which leads into the first topic I have below. | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Ah, thank you. | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/os-brick+status:open | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | I will take a look at those open reviews. | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: and hemna_ it would be good to have your input as well. | 16:11 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: ok | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Anything more on that topic from you? | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | No, just that client lib freeze is soon after that. | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | So don't forget those python-cinderclient patches either. | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. Cool. | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, would be good to make sure we get everything merged that go along with server changes. We have been bad about that in the past. | 16:13 |
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| e0ne | there is nothing important to release in https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/python-brick-cinderclient-ext++status:open | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. Moving on. | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Good. | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | #topic checkup on feature implementation | 16:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "checkup on feature implementation (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:15 | |
| jungleboyj | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | So, we didn't do the best job of keeping the spec tracking list updated this time around. :-( | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | Want to just ask about a few of the things that were of higher priority. | 16:16 |
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| e0ne | jungleboyj: can we switch to priorities dashboard in gerrit in the next release? | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: We talked about the upgrade checker goal in RTP. | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: ++ | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: ++ | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | Yes, I think that would help. | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | Yep. We've met the goal requirement, but would still be great if someone could look through upgrade release notes to see if there's anythign important we should add to that. | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: That is right. That was where that was left. | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I will take the TODO there. I think I might have done that at the PTG. | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | #action jungleboyj to review release notes for appropriate checks | 16:18 |
| * jungleboyj put it on my whiteboard | 16:19 | |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: did you mean snowboard? | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Looks like you moved out the Generic Backup Implementation | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: :-p | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | @!j | 16:20 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj (._.) ~ ︵ ┻━┻ | 16:20 |
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| e0ne | jungleboyj: TBH, I didn't push https://review.openstack.org/#/c/630305/ to get everything ready for generic backups this release :( | 16:20 |
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| jungleboyj | e0ne: Yeah. I think it is something we want to push in the future though because people are interested in it. | 16:21 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: I'll finish with unit tests asap and propose generic backup patch but obviously it's too late in a release cycle for such change | 16:21 |
| e0ne | I have to propose a spec movement to Train | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Ok. Fair enough. | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Anything more on that? | 16:23 |
| e0ne | I'll be glad to have some feedback on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/630305/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/620881/ | 16:24 |
| e0ne | I rebased these patches against master | 16:24 |
| e0ne | (just before I read meeting agenda) | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | But we want to hold those two for Train? | 16:25 |
| e0ne | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/620881/ looks pretty safe but it's up to the team | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. Well, we can work that through the review. | 16:26 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: thank you! | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: No problem. Thanks for continuing to push stuff in Cinder. :-) | 16:26 |
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| jungleboyj | eharney: Drivers Capability Reporting ... | 16:26 |
| e0ne | I'll do my best to finally finish this effort in Train | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | Think based on the discussion at the mid-cycle this should be a priority in Train. | 16:27 |
| eharney | i'm working on a spec for this but it's definitely not going very far for Stein | 16:27 |
| eharney | yeah | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: Actually, that would be a good topic for the Forum with follow up at the PTG. | 16:27 |
| eharney | i will probably miss the forum part, but, yes | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | Get input on what users might really want there. | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, I have a good enough idea of what I would like to see that I could run the session. Just make sure to get on the same page with you before the forum. | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | I will champion that topic. | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. So that makes sense. | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | Looks like the API to re-image an attached volume will also need to move to train? | 16:29 |
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| jungleboyj | yikun: ^^ | 16:30 |
| e0ne | +1 | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | mriedem: If you're around - anything going on with that boot volume reimage work on the nova side? | 16:30 |
| yikun | you mean re-image available/reserved volume? | 16:31 |
| jungleboyj | yikun: I thought it was an attached volume. | 16:31 |
| mriedem | it's attached | 16:32 |
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| mriedem | well, technically reserved, but yes we're splitting hairs | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:32 |
| mriedem | smcginnis: the original dev working on the nova changes dropped off | 16:32 |
| yikun | we were prepared to only support reseved/available volume in Stein release. | 16:32 |
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| mriedem | Kevin_Zheng was working on updating the nova side stuff but it's not a priority for him since he has other stuff he was originally assigned to | 16:32 |
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| mriedem | smcginnis: so with 2 weeks left, i'm not holding out much hope that everything will be merged without some major help and review on the nova side | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | mriedem: Ok, so not something we should be trying to push to get into Stein. | 16:33 |
| mriedem | i don't think so | 16:33 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok. We will keep pulling that along. | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: I think you got changes for shared_targets improvements in and they didn't get recorded in the etherpad. | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: Is there more that needs to be done there? | 16:35 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: Once we release os-brick I need to land the Nova patch | 16:35 |
| geguileo | but nothing more afaik | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: Ok. Cool. Any concerns with getting the Nova patch landed? | 16:36 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: not really, it's a trivial patch | 16:36 |
| geguileo | removes code with a context manager, cleaning their code | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: Ok. Cool. So mriedem shouldn't harass us. ;-) | 16:36 |
| geguileo | XD | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | 👮♀️ | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. I think we are good there so we should move on as we have more to cover. | 16:38 |
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| jungleboyj | #topic Adding similar type of functionalities under one mv before release | 16:38 |
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| jungleboyj | whoami-rajat: | 16:38 |
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| jungleboyj | We talked about this a bit in channel before the meeting. | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | Anyone have concerns with updating a MV ed change without incrementing the MV given that we haven't released it yet. | 16:39 |
| e0ne | ay concerns from my side | 16:39 |
| whoami-rajat | jungleboyj: also the changes are almost serving similar functionalities. | 16:39 |
| eharney | we should probably revise our microversion rules doc a bit to cover this case of small adjustments for changes we've made recently | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | My take is, we've never stated we would support continuous deployment, so we should be fine. | 16:40 |
| e0ne | it could affect only if somebody uses cinder from master in a production | 16:40 |
| e0ne | eharney: +1 | 16:40 |
| eharney | the current doc indicates we should bump mv again for this, but i agree it's better to be pragmatic here | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: ++ | 16:40 |
| eharney | https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/cinder/tree/doc/source/contributor/api_microversion_dev.rst | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, does anyone want to take the TODO to update the doc? | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | If not I can take a stab at it. | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | Should be a simple change. | 16:42 |
| whoami-rajat | jungleboyj: i will do it. | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | whoami-rajat: Awesome. Thanks. | 16:42 |
| whoami-rajat | since i'm the one violating it :) | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | #action whoami-rajat to update documentation on micro version policies. | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | whoami-rajat: Thanks! | 16:43 |
| whoami-rajat | smcginnis: np :) | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | whoami-rajat: Yes, Thank you. Your contributions are greatly appreciated. | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Denver Forum and Summit Planning | 16:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Denver Forum and Summit Planning (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:44 | |
| jungleboyj | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-denver-forum-brainstorming | 16:44 |
| whoami-rajat | jungleboyj: wouldn't be possible with all the great help i get here. Thanks for that :) | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-train-ptg-planning | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj | whoami-rajat: Awwww shucks. :-) | 16:45 |
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| jungleboyj | So, I have put together etherpads for the Forum and PTG planning. | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj | Figured we should create both etherpads now as there are going to be topics that are appropriate for each venue brought up. | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj | The Forum ones are reviewed first though, so please take a few minutes to add anything in there that may be appropriate to discuss with operators. | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | I will be adding the capabilities topic in there. | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | Appreciate your attention to the etherpads. | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | I think that is all I have to say there. | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Continued discussion with regards to Storyboard ... | 16:48 |
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| e0ne | I'm OK to use storyboard now | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Ok. | 16:49 |
| e0ne | we're using it in vitrage since Rocky release and it works good | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | The issue I saw during the mid-cycle was resolved. | 16:49 |
| e0ne | we can't use it in horizon now because it doesn't support attachements | 16:50 |
| rosmaita | that's going to be a problem for security bugs, too | 16:50 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: The attachments stuff is being fixed right now. | 16:50 |
| enriquetaso | where can I find the link to the storyboard? | 16:50 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: oh.. thanks for letting me know | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | I have gotten feedback from diablo_rojo on the design we talked about at the mid-cycle | 16:51 |
| e0ne | enriquetaso: https://storyboard.openstack.org | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-launchpad-design | 16:51 |
| enriquetaso | e0ne++ | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | The test migration is here: https://storyboard-dev.openstack.org/#!/project/473 | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | So, that is the current status. | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | Now we have Cinderlib coming into place and we need to decide if it will use Storyboard for the bug tracking or not. | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Raised concerns that Cinder is still using Launchpad. | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | Though, the bug tracking for os-brick has been in its own part of launchpad. | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, fine I guess if we just have the one using SB. | 16:53 |
| jungleboyj | We could use cinderlib and os-brick as the starting points for migration. | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | But with the tight coupling between cinderlib and the drivers in openstack/cinder, I was concerned there would be a lot of overlap. | 16:54 |
| jungleboyj | Start with cinderlib and then re-address as we go forward. | 16:54 |
| geguileo | I think we can start with cinderlib | 16:55 |
| geguileo | then migrate os-brick | 16:55 |
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| geguileo | and then we can continue with others... | 16:55 |
| rosmaita | only problem i see is if we want to use the "also affects project" in launchpad | 16:55 |
| smcginnis | Any reason to wait on os-brick? Or want to get one there and figure out usage first? | 16:55 |
| geguileo | I think we can also move os-brick now | 16:55 |
| smcginnis | rosmaita: Exactly. I was thinking we may have a few of those when it comes to this. | 16:56 |
| geguileo | I was just mentioning in case we wanted to be extra careful | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I would like to get how we want to use Storyboard actually documented and mocked out in the test migration. | 16:56 |
| smcginnis | Or... we just rip off the bandaid and migrate everything over and not have to be concerned about which ones are where. | 16:56 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: then I can just change the cinderlib project to use launchpad | 16:56 |
| geguileo | and then we continue with our current plan | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | The process will be a bit of overkill for cinderlib but I think it is a good way for us to get used to launchpad and propose fixes. | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | I am fine with moving os-brick as well. | 16:57 |
| enriquetaso | Should we add the storyboard's number to gerrit's patchs? | 16:57 |
| whoami-rajat | one query. how will the migration process work exactly? will it automatically report all the existing bugs from launchpad to storyboard or is there any manual intervention? | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | enriquetaso: For os-brick or cinderlib patches, yes. | 16:59 |
| smcginnis | enriquetaso: Yes, once a project is migrated we will want to link patches to the story like we currently do with launchpad bugs. | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | Not for CInder yet. | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | whoami-rajat: It is an automatic migration they run. | 16:59 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: I think I'm getting more and more convinced by smcginnis' idea of adding cinderlib to launchpad | 16:59 |
| geguileo | XD | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: Wait, what? | 16:59 |
| geguileo | lol | 17:00 |
| rosmaita | i vote we wait to move until nova has migrated | 17:00 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: if you want to have things documented before migrating os-brick | 17:00 |
| geguileo | then it makes sense to have cinderlib together with the other projects | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: :-p I am trying to push myself to make some progress here. | 17:00 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: me too, I want to get the cinderlib project in | 17:01 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 17:01 |
| geguileo | and it looks like launchpad is easier, and it makes more sense | 17:01 |
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| geguileo | in the cinder context | 17:01 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. We are supposed to wrap up here . Lets finish in the cinder channel. | 17:01 |
| geguileo | rosmaita: ++ | 17:01 |
| smcginnis | Getting it in is more important than us using storyboard, IMO. | 17:01 |
| geguileo | rosmaita: sounds like a good idea, wait until Nova!!!!!!! | 17:01 |
| rosmaita | i'm worried that since we had to move cinderlib to its own repo and don't have cross-project testing set up/possible, don't want to have another place where bugs can fall through the cracks | 17:01 |
| jungleboyj | Lets finish this in channel. | 17:02 |
| jungleboyj | #endmeeting | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 17:02 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 20 17:02:11 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2019/cinder.2019-02-20-16.00.html | 17:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2019/cinder.2019-02-20-16.00.txt | 17:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2019/cinder.2019-02-20-16.00.log.html | 17:02 |
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| jungleboyj | @!h geguileo | 17:10 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj (/ .□.) ︵╰(゜Д゜)╯︵ /(.□. ) | 17:10 |
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| SotK | #startmeeting storyboard | 19:13 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 20 19:13:47 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:13 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:13 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 19:13 |
| fungi | the suspense was unbearable! ;) | 19:13 |
| SotK | haha | 19:14 |
| SotK | hopefully its worth the wait :D | 19:14 |
| SotK | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard Agenda | 19:14 |
| SotK | #topic Announcements | 19:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:14 | |
| SotK | I don't have anything to announce, anyone else? | 19:14 |
| fungi | nothin | 19:15 |
| mkarray | I'm good | 19:15 |
| diablo_rojo | No announcements | 19:15 |
| SotK | #topic Migration Updates | 19:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Migration Updates (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:16 | |
| SotK | anything? | 19:16 |
| fungi | karbor has expressed an interest in moving from lanchpad to storyboard | 19:16 |
| fungi | waiting to hear back from them on the change review | 19:16 |
| diablo_rojo | Looks like Karbor is migrating on their own accord | 19:16 |
| diablo_rojo | There a patch right fungi ? | 19:16 |
| SotK | nice | 19:17 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/636574 Update karbor to use storyboard | 19:17 |
| fungi | yep, that one | 19:17 |
| diablo_rojo | Cinder also had a new lib that they were creating and were going to set up in storyboard | 19:18 |
| diablo_rojo | but I think I saw chatter this morning in their meeting about just wanting to get the patch in and now talking about making it in lp instead | 19:18 |
| fungi | they had second thoughts at the last moment (i didn't follow the discussion in their meeting) | 19:18 |
| fungi | or rather slightly after the last moment | 19:18 |
| fungi | i'm working out the db queries now to remove their unused project and project group and the associated mapping | 19:19 |
| SotK | yeah, they seemed to be concerned about ending up half in one tool and half in the other | 19:19 |
| fungi | if so, that's a reasonable concern | 19:19 |
| SotK | yep | 19:19 |
| fungi | most project teams migrate all their projects at once | 19:19 |
| diablo_rojo | We could always migrate the rest of their stuff right now too ;) | 19:21 |
| SotK | I think the outcome of their discussion was to try to migrate during Train after having more discussions about workflows f2f at the PTG | 19:22 |
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| SotK | any other updates? | 19:23 |
| fungi | as an update, i've dumped a copy of the db just in case and then deleted the associated records from the projects, project_groups and project_group_mapping tables | 19:23 |
| fungi | gotta delete from project_group_mapping first because of foreign key constraints, it appears | 19:24 |
| fungi | and no, i don't have any other migration updates at the moment | 19:24 |
| SotK | oh, I forgot about that table | 19:24 |
| SotK | #topic Story Attachments | 19:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Story Attachments (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:24 | |
| diablo_rojo | Well thats sad that they are pushing it to Train. They had previously said Stein., | 19:25 |
| SotK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:story-attachments | 19:25 |
| fungi | looks like diablo_rojo has reviewed about half of them. making me look bad! ;) | 19:26 |
| SotK | diablo_rojo: it is, but hopefully it helps them feel more prepared | 19:26 |
| SotK | indeed, thanks for the reviews so far :D | 19:26 |
| fungi | i'll try to go over those at least so we can get some of it merged quickly | 19:26 |
| SotK | thanks | 19:26 |
| fungi | for 3-week-long definitions of "quickly" i guess :/ | 19:27 |
| diablo_rojo | Ha ha ha | 19:27 |
| diablo_rojo | yeah I will finish reviewing those this week | 19:27 |
| SotK | has anyone given thought to how to go about actually using it in production? | 19:27 |
| SotK | as in, around storage providers and such? | 19:27 |
| SotK | s/providers/donors/ | 19:28 |
| fungi | i need to have those conversations still | 19:28 |
| fungi | clarkb: ^ when you're not fishing, that's something we should probably bring up with the rest of the infra team | 19:28 |
| diablo_rojo | We should get that on the infra agenda next week | 19:28 |
| fungi | or talk through it sooner | 19:29 |
| fungi | that's 6 days away | 19:29 |
| fungi | #action fungi find a home for storing storyboard.openstack.org's attachments | 19:29 |
| SotK | yeah, the sooner the better as far as I'm concerned :) | 19:30 |
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| fungi | right, it'll take us some time to set up and figure out how we want to manage it, so getting that discussion going in parallel is warranted | 19:30 |
| SotK | we should probably hold off on merging the webclient patches either until I've stopped the error that happens when attachments are disabled or we are ready to turn them on | 19:31 |
| SotK | hopefully I'll get that done or started before the next meeting | 19:31 |
| SotK | can't promise anything though | 19:31 |
| SotK | but I don't want to have to field complaints about red error messages on every story :D | 19:32 |
| fungi | ahh, yeah, got a pointer to where the error is raised? | 19:32 |
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| diablo_rojo | Yeah okay. Hold off on webclient patches then | 19:33 |
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| SotK | the issue is just that the webclient has no way of checking whether or not the API supports attachments and just always makes a request to get the attachments for a story | 19:34 |
| SotK | with an old backend or a backend with attachments disabled that doesn't work and causes a (harmless) error to be displayed | 19:35 |
| fungi | yeah, maybe the api can just return an empty set for that query rather than an error when attachments aren't configured? | 19:35 |
| fungi | let the webclient always request attachments and make it a successful no-op for the api | 19:36 |
| SotK | you can see it in action in the js preview: http://logs.openstack.org/12/633612/2/check/build-javascript-content/8309dae/npm/html/#!/story/1 | 19:36 |
| fungi | (brainstorming) | 19:36 |
| SotK | that works for the retrieval side, but all the uploading UI will also be visible but non-functional | 19:37 |
| fungi | ahh, right-o | 19:37 |
| fungi | so maybe we do need a webclient config option to toggle support | 19:37 |
| SotK | yeah, that's what we've done in the past | 19:37 |
| SotK | (for editable comments for example) | 19:38 |
| fungi | sure | 19:38 |
| SotK | but I'm increasingly feeling like both of these should be things that the webclient finds out from the API its pointed at | 19:38 |
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| fungi | yeah, a means of exposing configuration info from the api would be better design in the end, completely agree | 19:39 |
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| SotK | anything else on attachments? | 19:39 |
| fungi | some boolean methods like enabled_comment_editing, enabled_story_attachments, and so on | 19:40 |
| fungi | i don't have any questions, nope. just need to get rolling on reviewing and discussing storage | 19:40 |
| diablo_rojo | Nothing from me | 19:41 |
| SotK | indeed, or even making better use of the existing /v1/system_info endpoint | 19:41 |
| SotK | #topic Moving database closer to the site | 19:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Moving database closer to the site (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:41 | |
| SotK | this is done now I think, thanks fungi! | 19:41 |
| fungi | you're most welcome | 19:41 |
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| fungi | as also seen with storyboard-dev, we do experience rather heavy database query activity around loading boards/worklists | 19:42 |
| fungi | but this puts us in a better place to start doing some profiling of the production workload there and figuring out our hotspots | 19:42 |
| * diablo_rojo takes it off agenda so we dont bring it up next week too | 19:42 | |
| SotK | yep, hopefully we can start making some good improvements | 19:43 |
| fungi | i just need to wrangle some help from some of our more relational-database-savvy contributors | 19:43 |
| fungi | should take advantage of the fact that we have former mysql developers on hand ;) | 19:44 |
| fungi | (several) | 19:44 |
| SotK | heh, yes | 19:44 |
| SotK | #topic Outreachy Intern | 19:45 |
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| fungi | #action fungi find out if some of our mysqlish folks have query profiling recommendations | 19:45 |
| diablo_rojo | Call for proposals is open | 19:45 |
| SotK | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sb-train-outreachy-planning | 19:45 |
| diablo_rojo | I was thinking optimizing database queries. | 19:45 |
| diablo_rojo | But am open to other ideas\ | 19:45 |
| fungi | it's a reasonable one to add there if you think that's not too much for an outreachy timeframe | 19:46 |
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| diablo_rojo | I think if its broken down into small fixes at a time its doable | 19:47 |
| diablo_rojo | Maybe not quite as fun as working on an entire feature | 19:47 |
| diablo_rojo | ? | 19:47 |
| SotK | sounds like an interesting one to me, but it might be dependent on folk with sufficient expertise being around to give advice | 19:47 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah thats fair. | 19:48 |
| diablo_rojo | I definitely am not the most qualified | 19:48 |
| SotK | if entire features are deemed more fun, maybe looking at implementing an "official" way of handling duplicates would be nice | 19:48 |
| SotK | or perhaps some of the board-related improvements that were discussed way back in Dublin (I'm not sure if they're written up anywhere) | 19:49 |
| fungi | dare i say, overhauling the continuous testing may fit? | 19:49 |
| diablo_rojo | We should decide on one thing. Maaaaaybe two. | 19:50 |
| diablo_rojo | The application process was a pain last time | 19:50 |
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| fungi | we've got an attempt at fixing the defect with private stories not sending e-mail notifications, blocked on being unable to actually write a working regression test, because the current test framework is rather inscrutible | 19:50 |
| diablo_rojo | Either of those sound good too if we think we can get other people to do the db query optimizations | 19:51 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah thats true | 19:51 |
| fungi | just from a personal pain-point perspective... folks reporting security vulnerabilities in private end up having to ping me to let me know they opened them because sb can't notify me | 19:51 |
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| SotK | yeah, fixing the tests would be good too but I suspect it won't sound like interesting work on an internship proposal | 19:52 |
| * SotK could be wrong | 19:52 | |
| fungi | fixing that is likely not hard, but being unable to test that we don't break it in the future would be better | 19:52 |
| mkarray | Do we currently have the ability to export a list into a CSV through the GUI? | 19:52 |
| fungi | that i'll agree with. qa/test work rarely looks glamorous on paper | 19:53 |
| SotK | mkarray: we don't, but it'd likely be fairly trivial to write a python script to generate one using the api | 19:54 |
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| fungi | mkarray: that also sounds useful, but i think we also don't have a shortage of feature requests which have already been prioritized | 19:54 |
| fungi | so it's more about coming up with one of those which would be tractable for (and attractive to) an intern to tackle | 19:54 |
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| mkarray | Sounds good | 19:55 |
| diablo_rojo | I think we put the test one up last time, but it didn't get chosen | 19:55 |
| fungi | since the idea with outreachy is that there is an intern being paid to complete whatever assignment(s) we choose | 19:55 |
| diablo_rojo | We can try again. | 19:55 |
| fungi | no, i agree with SotK it's probably unlikely to garner much interest | 19:56 |
| diablo_rojo | So either duplicates or query optimization? | 19:56 |
| fungi | er, i should restate, the idea with outreachy is that there is an intern being paid to complete whatever assignment(s) THEY choose from the ones we suggest | 19:56 |
| mkarray | As an intern myself the query optimization task seems pretty cool | 19:57 |
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| fungi | so we're sort of competing for offering work which will make them want to work on our project rather than another one | 19:57 |
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| diablo_rojo | I feel like we might be able to write both of them in time, but I will prioritize the query one first? | 19:58 |
| SotK | yeah I think if we're picking two then those two make sense, and if just one then I think I'd lean to the query optimisation | 19:58 |
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| fungi | we're running out of time on our meeting slot, btw | 19:59 |
| SotK | indeed, lets finish over in #storyboard :) | 19:59 |
| fungi | thanks SotK! | 19:59 |
| SotK | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 19:59 | |
| diablo_rojo | thanks SotK ! | 19:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 20 19:59:39 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2019/storyboard.2019-02-20-19.13.html | 19:59 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 20 21:03:18 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:03 | |
| notmyname | swift team meeting time! | 21:03 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:03 |
| notmyname | who's here for it? | 21:03 |
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| timburke | o/ | 21:03 |
| kota_ | o/ | 21:03 |
| alecuyer | o/ | 21:03 |
| tdasilva | hi | 21:03 |
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| clayg | sorry, thanks | 21:04 |
| clayg | typey typey | 21:04 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:04 |
| notmyname | kota_: thanks for reminding me of the meeting! | 21:04 |
| kota_ | :-) | 21:05 |
| kota_ | no one else at my desk in my home in the morning ;) | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | oh, there's zaitcev! | 21:05 |
| notmyname | I'd like to check in on the py3 work. | 21:05 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: this morning timburke told me that with your work on the sharder, we'll soon be at about 60% coverage with py3? | 21:06 |
| zaitcev | notmyname: It's only unit tests. | 21:06 |
| zaitcev | out of all tests it's about 41% | 21:06 |
| zaitcev | Unit tests are about 80% of all tests | 21:06 |
| notmyname | that's still good though! | 21:07 |
| timburke | once we have things to the point that unit tests pass, i'm pretty sure we'll have services able to start. from there, we could run func tests under py2 against swift on py3 | 21:07 |
| timburke | ...because porting func tests will be its own special hell, as i recall | 21:08 |
| notmyname | that will be a great point to get to. | 21:08 |
| zaitcev | Still, it's way slower than I need. | 21:08 |
| zaitcev | Cyril disappeared this week. He's helping py3 on other places too... Like, Sahara. | 21:09 |
| timburke | zaitcev, how much needs to be ported for RH to consider including it? | 21:09 |
| zaitcev | timburke: Basically everything has to be there. Including obscure middleware, and the middleware I gave up upon, such as bulk. | 21:09 |
| notmyname | for example, functests can run on a different system on py2 if the services are running under py3 | 21:11 |
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| timburke | yeah, i'm fine with everything under swift/ and bin/... i'm debating about how much value there is to be had in requiring func tests run under py3 if we can get to ^^^ | 21:11 |
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| zaitcev | Well... I don't remmeber, but I think we may be running in-process functests. | 21:11 |
| notmyname | hmm.. ok | 21:11 |
| zaitcev | So, probe tests is the only thing that can be postponed. | 21:11 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: is there anything specific you need | 21:12 |
| timburke | we do in-process func tests. we also do "spin up swift, then separately, run func tests". | 21:12 |
| notmyname | or... should we update https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews ? | 21:13 |
| zaitcev | notmyname: more manpower, I think. Someone needs to adapt a thousand tests by adding b'' to everything. | 21:13 |
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| zaitcev | I looked at slo, 83 failed | 21:13 |
| zaitcev | If we can push container through, it unlocks a bunch of dependencies. Like dlo. | 21:13 |
| timburke | i'm actually hesitant to touch the func tests too much ATM -- i think it's going to be tricky verifying that we're still testing the same thing when running them under py2 vs py3 | 21:14 |
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| notmyname | zaitcev: on slo? | 21:14 |
| mattoliverau | I'll focus on the container patch today. | 21:14 |
| mattoliverau | Got through a bunch of work stuff yesterday to free up more time to take a look today. | 21:15 |
| zaitcev | mattoliverau: thanks a lot. As you can see, it started as a "sharder CLI" patch, which snowballed. | 21:15 |
| mattoliverau | lol, yeah, I noticed that :) | 21:15 |
| mattoliverau | thanks for all that work and also sorry :P | 21:16 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: as you go through those patches, please highlight them in IRC and on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 21:16 |
| zaitcev | timburke: It is a concern. Worst comes to worst, I can ask people doing the release not to run in-process when building. | 21:16 |
| notmyname | keeping them in front of the rest of us, I suspect, is a good way to get faster progress | 21:16 |
| timburke | heh, sorry. when i start to review py3 stuff, i tend to start poking at the other bits around it and, well, here we are | 21:16 |
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| mattoliverau | I just keep asking questions about strings, byte strings and encoding :P | 21:17 |
| zaitcev | By all means, ask away. | 21:18 |
| zaitcev | I'm happy to repeat all explanations, maybe you'll see a logical inconsistency. | 21:18 |
| notmyname | timburke: mattoliverau: if you could highlight the py3 patches, too, as you work on them, that would be great | 21:19 |
| timburke | for sure, though, running the func tests is going to be the only way that i'll start to feel really good about declaring support. if it wasn't for those, i never would have found https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/7932 | 21:19 |
| notmyname | is there anything else about py3 that we need to bring up today in the meeting? | 21:20 |
| timburke | found a bug in eventlet that's gonna block us porting ssync: https://github.com/eventlet/eventlet/pull/548 | 21:20 |
| timburke | good news is, they seem to be on board with fixing it | 21:20 |
| notmyname | alecuyer: kota_: rledisez: what's up with LOSF this week? | 21:21 |
| alecuyer | Earlier today I looked at grpcio/eventlet again, | 21:22 |
| notmyname | was it amazing? | 21:22 |
| alecuyer | surprisingly the latest grpcio release (1.18.0) appears not to hang anymore with eventlet - just running the functests on SAIO | 21:22 |
| clayg | and the survey says: threads, not so bad after all! | 21:22 |
| alecuyer | well it may be :) | 21:22 |
| notmyname | nice! | 21:22 |
| alecuyer | So I have to dig into this | 21:23 |
| kota_ | nice | 21:23 |
| clayg | those google guys... I think they're pretty smart | 21:23 |
| alecuyer | see where it started working and why | 21:23 |
| notmyname | that's expecially good, if tim's putting patches in eventlet for py3 support :-) | 21:23 |
| alecuyer | and if we can count on it working on later release or if i got lucky | 21:23 |
| timburke | clayg, well, at least one of them is :-) | 21:23 |
| timburke | i miss torgomatic... | 21:23 |
| clayg | alecuyer: 😍 "just cause it works doesn't mean I trust it enough to ship it" | 21:23 |
| clayg | I need to _see__ the fix | 21:23 |
| alecuyer | clayg : thing is, they claim specifically that it will not work with eventlet, so im wary | 21:23 |
| alecuyer | so anyway I will give more details as soon as I find it | 21:24 |
| notmyname | thanks | 21:24 |
| notmyname | kota_: it looks like you have been merging from master. thanks for that | 21:24 |
| notmyname | rledisez: have you attempted that yet? | 21:24 |
| alecuyer | (I think rledisez isn't here, he's on vacation) | 21:24 |
| notmyname | ah, ok | 21:24 |
| notmyname | ok, what else do we need to talk about in the meeting this week? | 21:25 |
| clayg | Does anyone know for sure that they ARE interested in running for PTL? | 21:26 |
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| clayg | Or do we draw straws, or just make zaitcev do it? | 21:27 |
| timburke | i feel like there's three slots: i definitely *don't* want that job, i definitely *do* want that job, and i'd be *willing* to do that job if nobody else feels strongly | 21:27 |
| timburke | i'm kinda leaning toward the last one, personally | 21:27 |
| clayg | right - if someone was in slot 2 that would be AMAZING | 21:27 |
| clayg | like, you don't even have to do it a 100 years like notmyname - we promise to let you out if it's even worse than you imagined | 21:28 |
| zaitcev | I'm with timburke on this. I could do it, but then I'll run the whole project into ground. | 21:28 |
| clayg | 🤗 | 21:28 |
| timburke | i firmly *don't* think anyone here would run the project into the ground | 21:29 |
| timburke | i think that's part of why i'm in the camp i am | 21:29 |
| clayg | this project runs itself, notmyname's be coasting :P | 21:29 |
| notmyname | lol | 21:30 |
| clayg | LOL 🤗 | 21:30 |
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| timburke | clayg, it's like we're used to thinking in terms of a bunch of independent actors, all trying to bring a system into a truer/more correct state or something... | 21:30 |
| clayg | timburke: predisposed to organized chaos | 21:30 |
| notmyname | one thing to consider is the required public speaking. if that's not something you're comfortable with, then there are major parts of the job that you will hate | 21:31 |
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| zaitcev | "Hello, I'm the PTL and I have no clue about my project, but here's what they tell they're working on... some small files or other." | 21:31 |
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| clayg | hrm.. ok, I was really hoping someone was thinking this might be good - I mean... in reality it probably would be good | 21:33 |
| notmyname | ok, let me make a few suggestions :-) | 21:33 |
| clayg | ... an opportunity to expand your role - stretch your soft skills, leadership | 21:33 |
| mattoliverau | I'm currently in slot 3, Suse let's me spend time on it upstream, when I can. So not sure if PTL would mean they'd give me more time, or I'd be time limited which might not be great for the project. | 21:34 |
| clayg | and of course force the rest of us to grow up and not "just make notmyname do it all the time" | 21:34 |
| clayg | because realistically I'm not anyone of us thinks we dedicate the time and focus that notmyname has brought to us for all these years | 21:34 |
| zaitcev | Right, talk to TC about our go component for LOSF | 21:34 |
| notmyname | first, I suggest that there is an ongoing conversation about this. very few people will be comfortable discussing it in IRC (semi-public, logged), much less in an IRC meeting (logged, public, and more "formal") | 21:34 |
| mattoliverau | lol, that's true. but when you have a notmyname what did you expect us to do :P He's too damn good at the role | 21:34 |
| notmyname | figure out a good way to discuss it, irc or otherwise | 21:35 |
| clayg | we don't need some one to "fill the shoes" - that's too daunting | 21:35 |
| notmyname | second, be very clear that whoever starts the conversation is NOT volunteering | 21:35 |
| mattoliverau | kk, I'll post back on the mailing list to get the ball rolling, we'll have the discussion there. | 21:36 |
| mattoliverau | sorry not mailing list.. | 21:36 |
| timburke | hahaha | 21:37 |
| notmyname | whew | 21:37 |
| mattoliverau | A group email | 21:37 |
| kota_ | i see, thx mattoliverau | 21:38 |
| clayg | Is there any by-laws that say PTL nominations have to be core? | 21:38 |
| * mattoliverau hasn't had any coffee so my brain isn't englishing very well :P | 21:38 | |
| notmyname | clayg: no | 21:38 |
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| clayg | just checking | 21:38 |
| mattoliverau | nope | 21:38 |
| clayg | ok | 21:38 |
| mattoliverau | torgormatic for PTL! | 21:38 |
| clayg | a'ight - i have another thing trying to get my attention... and I need to pee. Sorry to bring it up! :P | 21:38 |
| kota_ | mattoliverau: lol | 21:39 |
| timburke | mattoliverau: we'll drag you back here, kicking and screaming! | 21:39 |
| notmyname | I think that's a good place to leave it for this meeting :-) | 21:39 |
| notmyname | thanks for coming today. and thank you for your work on swift | 21:39 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 21:40 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 20 21:40:02 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2019/swift.2019-02-20-21.03.html | 21:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2019/swift.2019-02-20-21.03.txt | 21:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2019/swift.2019-02-20-21.03.log.html | 21:40 |
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