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| ekcs | #startmeeting congressteammeeting | 04:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Feb 22 04:01:55 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekcs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting' | 04:01 |
| ekcs | hi. topics here as usual: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-meeting-topics | 04:02 |
| akhil_jain | ekcs: Hi! | 04:02 |
| ekcs | hi akhil_jain ! happy friday hope things are well. | 04:02 |
| akhil_jain | Happy friday, yes everything fine. what about you? | 04:03 |
| ekcs | I’m doing alright! | 04:03 |
| ekcs | ok so first a quick reminder:feature freeze | 04:03 |
| ekcs | 7 March 2019 | 04:03 |
| ekcs | RC1 due 21 March 2019 | 04:04 |
| ekcs | let’s dive in to the topics then. | 04:04 |
| ekcs | #topic Managing alarms | 04:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Managing alarms (Meeting topic: congressteammeeting)" | 04:04 | |
| ekcs | akhil_jain: I assume that’s your topic? | 04:04 |
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| akhil_jain | Yes right, ekcs as already discussed on mail. According to me. there can be faulty situation | 04:05 |
| ekcs | yup. do you have a sample policy and scenario to help our analysis? | 04:07 |
| akhil_jain | My usecase is. when an alarm is raised and it stays in congress with ACTIVE state. so lets consider operator created policy1 and handled the alarm situation. BUt state of alarm is still ACTIVE. so when he creates POLICY2 it can again execute actions based on that alarm | 04:07 |
| akhil_jain | which may have been handled by policy1 | 04:08 |
| ekcs | right. ok I pulled up our email. | 04:09 |
| akhil_jain | its 1.3 according to your mail. The one you specified to make new table | 04:09 |
| ekcs | so the situation is either 3 or 4 in the email | 04:09 |
| ekcs | 3. Alarms which had been activated and triggered some action, but the | 04:09 |
| ekcs | alarm remains active because the action do not resolve the alarm. | 04:09 |
| ekcs | 4. Alarms which had been activated and triggered some action, and the | 04:09 |
| ekcs | action is in the process of resolving the alarm, but in the mean time the | 04:09 |
| ekcs | alarm remains active. | 04:09 |
| akhil_jain | yes right | 04:10 |
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| ekcs | so.. i want to consider a slightly different scenario. what if policy1 an policy2 have been active the whole time. that seems like the usual case. | 04:11 |
| akhil_jain | also we can publish that discussion on openstack-discuss to get input from various developers as well | 04:11 |
| ekcs | then when the alarm is activated, it would trigger action from BOTH policy1 and policy2 | 04:12 |
| akhil_jain | yes right even that can be harmful in various scenarios | 04:12 |
| ekcs | ok. so let’s focus on the simple case first that does not have to do with timing and ordering. | 04:13 |
| akhil_jain | like 1 policy pausing vms and other evacuating | 04:13 |
| ekcs | how would you like the system to behave in the case that alarm activates while both policy1 and policy2 are in place? | 04:13 |
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| akhil_jain | thats a tough question :D anyways i would like only one policy to be executed on one alarm | 04:14 |
| akhil_jain | that will cause issue of priority | 04:15 |
| ekcs | I see. so… in my opinion in this case it’s up to the policy writer to write the policy in a way which decides what happens. | 04:16 |
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| ekcs | for example, if the writer wantns both actions to trigger, then she can write execute[action1] :- alarm1; execute[action2] :- alarm2 | 04:16 |
| ekcs | sorry i meant execute[action1] :- alarm1; execute[action2] :- alarm1 | 04:17 |
| ekcs | however, if she does not want both to trigger, then she can write something like execute[action1] :- alarm1, severity('low'); execute[action2] :- alarm1, severity('high') | 04:18 |
| akhil_jain | i am not sure if policy writer can evaluate whether to take action on which alarm. they will get just list of alarms. lets suppose one alarm is 15 days old and still saying status=active. which was raised because compute node1 was down. But in actual the compute node1 is up now. as operator resolved the issue. but based on alarm policy writer can harm that node or vms created on that | 04:20 |
| akhil_jain | saving alarms and computing actions on those is bit complex and can be wrongly used in real time scenarios. | 04:22 |
| ekcs | ok that makes sense. | 04:22 |
| akhil_jain | reaching to one solution will involve other communities as well i think. maybe monasca aodh n all | 04:23 |
| ekcs | so would 1.3 solve the problem? one table for all active alarm. another table for most recent alarms. | 04:23 |
| akhil_jain | yes maybe one table for all alarms and other for those on which policy is executed. i am not sure | 04:23 |
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| akhil_jain | or one field of policy_executed with alarm. dont know just a thought | 04:24 |
| ekcs | yea there are several possibilities. | 04:25 |
| ekcs | but i’m still trying to isolate the problem. is it distinguishing between new and old? or distinguishing between action taken and action not taken. | 04:25 |
| akhil_jain | also gmann wants to discuss it in PTG if you are planning one | 04:25 |
| ekcs | got it. | 04:26 |
| ekcs | that’s great. | 04:26 |
| akhil_jain | i would say both are the possibilities | 04:26 |
| akhil_jain | 1.new n old | 04:26 |
| akhil_jain | 2. action taken or not | 04:27 |
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| akhil_jain | hopefully i will be available too. for the PTG | 04:28 |
| ekcs | ok. hopefully we can work through examples to see whether both are needed or just one. we can certainly implement things for both, but if one suffices then it’d be good to know it. | 04:29 |
| ekcs | in general, I think it’s a good idea to leave the flexibility in the hands of the policy writer. | 04:30 |
| ekcs | perhaps adding congress functions as possible actions would be one solution. | 04:31 |
| akhil_jain | i didnt get the last point | 04:32 |
| ekcs | something like this: | 04:33 |
| ekcs | policy1: | 04:33 |
| ekcs | execute[add tuple handled('alarm1') to congress] :- alarm1 | 04:33 |
| ekcs | execute[action1] :- alarm1, NOT handled('alarm1') | 04:33 |
| ekcs | policy2: | 04:33 |
| ekcs | execute[add tuple handled(alarm1) to congress] :- alarm1 | 04:33 |
| ekcs | execute[action2] :- alarm1, NOT handled('alarm1') | 04:33 |
| ekcs | that’s a way for the policy writer to say: remember which alarm was already handled, and don’t do something again on the same alarm. | 04:34 |
| akhil_jain | right seems good | 04:35 |
| akhil_jain | adding another table can help this. also present thing will not be effected | 04:36 |
| ekcs | well. unfortunately that still doesn’t solve the problem when both policy are active at the same time. the alarm will trigger both at the same time. | 04:37 |
| ekcs | i hope to understand some more why policy writers cannot make sure to add conditions to their rules so that one alarm cannot trigger both actions. | 04:38 |
| ekcs | who are the ones expected to write the policy? | 04:38 |
| akhil_jain | i am not sure about that. i am not much into deployment side | 04:39 |
| ekcs | ok. is there any way to find out who write the policy in projected use case? I think the policy workflow really changes our solutions. | 04:41 |
| ekcs | for example, if it’s one “person” writing all the policy, then it’s not hard to make sure multiple rules don’t trigger on the same alarm. | 04:42 |
| ekcs | but if it’s many different “people” writing policy independently, then it’s very hard to make sure of the same thing. | 04:42 |
| ekcs | another factor is: how often are the policies changed? is it expected to be changed frequently by the operator? or more just operate the way its deployed? | 04:43 |
| ekcs | oh and yes it’s ok to share that email on ML. | 04:44 |
| akhil_jain | yes, there are serious multiple cases . | 04:45 |
| ekcs | I think maybe the next step is to start an etherpad or something to start documenting the problem scenarios and also possible solutions. | 04:45 |
| ekcs | and the closer we can understand the real policies and policy writing workflow the better we can solve the problems =) | 04:46 |
| akhil_jain | yes everytime reaching on one soln. is alterted again on thinking next time | 04:46 |
| ekcs | haha well this is an important and interesting problem. glad we’re discussing and hopefully solving. | 04:47 |
| ekcs | should we move on to see if we can squeeze in the other topics before time’s up? | 04:47 |
| akhil_jain | yes right | 04:47 |
| ekcs | ok =) | 04:47 |
| ekcs | #topic Adding created_at in nova servers | 04:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Adding created_at in nova servers (Meeting topic: congressteammeeting)" | 04:47 | |
| ekcs | wanna start us off akhil_jain ? | 04:48 |
| akhil_jain | oh yes. you already said its good to go. but is it possible to calcyulate based on current code to evealuate if server is older than one month or so | 04:49 |
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| akhil_jain | just adding created_at will be enough? | 04:49 |
| akhil_jain | i am not sure if operators will work | 04:50 |
| ekcs | oh hmm. is the created_at reported by nova api? | 04:51 |
| akhil_jain | yes | 04:51 |
| akhil_jain | field name is created | 04:51 |
| ekcs | why do we need to calculate then? | 04:52 |
| ekcs | sorry just clarifying so I understdand what the considerations are. | 04:52 |
| ekcs | ooooh | 04:52 |
| ekcs | I get it now. | 04:52 |
| ekcs | we’re going to add the field. | 04:52 |
| akhil_jain | policy automacially calculating if servers are old enough n execute action on them | 04:52 |
| ekcs | but the policy writer wants to find out whether a server is more than 1 month old. that requires builtins to handle parsing and calculating time. | 04:53 |
| akhil_jain | yes | 04:53 |
| ekcs | right. I’ll need to check the current builtins to see whether it handles the case. | 04:53 |
| ekcs | i’ll get back to you on that. | 04:53 |
| akhil_jain | ok great, thanks | 04:54 |
| akhil_jain | last topic then, about tacker test | 04:54 |
| ekcs | btw this is one case for why i have high hopes for the postgres version. they have already built all the builtins. and even when they haven’t someone online already built an extension for it. | 04:54 |
| akhil_jain | yes i guess that can solve this | 04:54 |
| ekcs | much harder for us to keep up wth what’s needed and much harder for the users when we use our own language and policy engine. | 04:55 |
| ekcs | ok anyway moving on then like you said | 04:55 |
| ekcs | #topic tacker test | 04:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "tacker test (Meeting topic: congressteammeeting)" | 04:55 | |
| ekcs | so a couple things. | 04:55 |
| akhil_jain | i saw your patch. i will test using same and add another etst for vnf as well | 04:55 |
| ekcs | 1. i added zuul config to enable tacker plugin in CI job. but it’s failing right now. | 04:55 |
| akhil_jain | yes saw that | 04:56 |
| ekcs | i’m not sure why yet. | 04:56 |
| ekcs | and yes I added a patch just to test whether the generic approach works for this case. I think it should but haven’t been able to tell because of the devstnack plugin failure. | 04:56 |
| ekcs | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/638516/1/congress_tempest_plugin/tests/scenario/congress_datasources/test_tacker.py | 04:56 |
| akhil_jain | hm thats y i will test it on my env and let you kniow | 04:57 |
| ekcs | ok great! | 04:57 |
| akhil_jain | earlier i didnt understood. now got it. thanks | 04:57 |
| ekcs | awesome. | 04:57 |
| ekcs | one last thing is: | 04:58 |
| ekcs | if you have features you want to finish by feature freeze and don’t have time for the tacker tempest test, then we could merge the driver by FF and then merge the tempest test before RC1. not preferred but in a pinch it can be done. | 04:58 |
| ekcs | just keep that in mind in prioritizing what you’d like to do =) | 04:59 |
| ekcs | that’s all from me. | 04:59 |
| akhil_jain | yes any reviews on tacker driver. i can complete that first. plus i am completeing tempest test as well | 05:00 |
| ekcs | ok. I think the tacker driver is good to go. I was just waiting for tempest before merging. but if we can merge that first if tempest not ready by FF. | 05:00 |
| akhil_jain | nothing else from my side. | 05:00 |
| ekcs | ok then. well time’s up too. | 05:01 |
| akhil_jain | ok sounds good to me | 05:01 |
| ekcs | #endmeeting | 05:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 05:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Feb 22 05:01:17 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 05:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2019/congressteammeeting.2019-02-22-04.01.html | 05:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2019/congressteammeeting.2019-02-22-04.01.txt | 05:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2019/congressteammeeting.2019-02-22-04.01.log.html | 05:01 |
| ekcs | have a great weekend! | 05:01 |
| akhil_jain | thanks and happy weekend! | 05:01 |
| ekcs | =) | 05:02 |
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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Feb 22 14:00:46 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 14:00 |
| njohnston | o/ | 14:00 |
| yamamoto | hi | 14:00 |
| amotoki | o/ | 14:00 |
| mlavalle | How are you all? | 14:01 |
| slaweq | hi | 14:01 |
| slaweq | great :) | 14:01 |
| njohnston | slept through the alarm, so just woke up ;-) | 14:01 |
| haleyb | hi | 14:01 |
| mlavalle | everybody is here | 14:02 |
| mlavalle | so let's get rolling | 14:02 |
| mlavalle | #topic RFEs | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RFEs (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 14:02 | |
| mlavalle | First up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1817119 | 14:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1817119 in neutron "[rfe] add rbac for security groups" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Doug Wiegley (dougwig) | 14:03 |
| mlavalle | The description is sparse... but there are patches for it already | 14:03 |
| mlavalle | here's the proposed doc: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/635311/13/doc/source/admin/config-rbac.rst | 14:04 |
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| slaweq | for me it's completly fine - I just asked dougwig to fill rfe to have everything done right from this procedural side :) | 14:06 |
| mlavalle | yeap, thanks for that | 14:06 |
| njohnston | what I really like about this is that it takes one of the things fwaas tried to achieve and realizes it in core neutron | 14:07 |
| njohnston | in a simple and straightforward way | 14:07 |
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| mlavalle | I warned him last night I was bringing it up today in the meeting, in case there were questions | 14:07 |
| amotoki | generally it makes sense. on the ohter hand, it reminds me of fwaas-v2. what do you think about it? | 14:07 |
| amotoki | njohnston already mentioned the similar point :) | 14:07 |
| mlavalle | whether this should be implemented in fwaas-2? | 14:08 |
| njohnston | well, it's less complicated than how fwaas v2 does things, and as we know customer uptake of fwaas is very limited. I personally think it is smart to pull this in to core neutron | 14:08 |
| amotoki | I believe it is worth discussed | 14:09 |
| amotoki | I am okay to support RBAC in security groups API in neutron because both RBAC and SG exist in neutron and it does not change the SG behavior model. | 14:09 |
| njohnston | I don't want this to become a "what is the future of fwaas" but fwaas is in sort of a special position because it was built to compete with a core neutron function - security groups. Both fwaas and security groups have evolved over the years, grown and enhanced over time. I see this as an extension of that. | 14:10 |
| mlavalle | the other consideration is that I don't know how much manpower we have left in fwaas | 14:10 |
| njohnston | mlavalle: +1 | 14:10 |
| slaweq | exactly, and sg aren't deprecated or something like that so I don't see any reason why we should not accept new feature for it | 14:11 |
| mlavalle | the truth is that here we have a cocnrete proposal, that in my opinion makes sense without breaking anything and we have the body to implement it | 14:11 |
| slaweq | mlavalle++ | 14:11 |
| amotoki | I second this | 14:11 |
| njohnston | mlavalle++ | 14:11 |
| haleyb | makes sense to me too, and dougwig's been great at getting stuff done and fixing things lately too | 14:11 |
| yamamoto | +1 | 14:11 |
| mlavalle | ok, approved by ovation | 14:12 |
| * mlavalle updating the RFE | 14:12 | |
| amotoki | :) | 14:12 |
| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1815933 | 14:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1815933 in neutron "[RFE] Allow bulk-tagging of resources" [Wishlist,New] | 14:14 |
| mlavalle | we discussed this one last week | 14:14 |
| mlavalle | amotoki: did you have a chance to send message to ML? | 14:14 |
| amotoki | sorry, I failed to find time to send it to the ML due to busy week.... | 14:15 |
| mlavalle | no problem | 14:15 |
| mlavalle | if you lack bandwidth, I can start the thread | 14:15 |
| mlavalle | just let me know | 14:15 |
| amotoki | mlavalle: thanks. I am writing a draft now, so I will take care of it. | 14:16 |
| mlavalle | amotoki: thank you very much! | 14:16 |
| mlavalle | That's it for today's RFEs | 14:17 |
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| mlavalle | #topic On demand agenda | 14:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "On demand agenda (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 14:17 | |
| mlavalle | ralonsoh added a topic to the agenda in regards https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1815345 | 14:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1815345 in neutron "neutron doesnt delete port binding level when deleting an inactive port binding" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Adrian Chiris (adrian.chiris) | 14:18 |
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| mlavalle | I don't think it is necessary to discuss it here, but I would encourage the team to comment in the patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/634276/ | 14:19 |
| mlavalle | which I intend to do later today | 14:19 |
| slaweq | ok | 14:19 |
| mlavalle | anything else we should discuss today? | 14:20 |
| yamamoto | nothing from me | 14:20 |
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| amotoki | me neither | 14:20 |
| slaweq | not from me | 14:21 |
| mlavalle | ok, amotoki, yamamoto and slaweq, you can go and enjoy your weekends | 14:21 |
| mlavalle | njohnston, haleyb and I have to toil a little longer | 14:21 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: thx :) have a great weekend | 14:21 |
| njohnston | have a great weekend all! | 14:21 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 14:22 |
| yamamoto | good night | 14:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 14:22 | |
| amotoki | hehe :) have a nice weekend all | 14:22 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Feb 22 14:22:08 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:22 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2019/neutron_drivers.2019-02-22-14.00.html | 14:22 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2019/neutron_drivers.2019-02-22-14.00.txt | 14:22 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2019/neutron_drivers.2019-02-22-14.00.log.html | 14:22 |
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