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| tpatil | #startmeeting Masakari | 04:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 5 04:00:50 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tpatil. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Masakari)" | 04:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'masakari' | 04:00 |
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| tpatil | Today Sampath san is not available so I will chair today's meeting | 04:01 |
| tpatil | Who all are available for Masakari meeting? | 04:01 |
| shilpasd | GM Tushar san | 04:02 |
| tpatil | shilpasd : Good Morning | 04:02 |
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| tpatil | #topic Bugs/Patches | 04:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs/Patches (Meeting topic: Masakari)" | 04:03 | |
| tpatil | Any bugs that you want to talk about? | 04:03 |
| tpatil | Ok, Moving to next topic | 04:05 |
| tpatil | 7 March 2019 is the Stein-3 milestone. | 04:05 |
| tpatil | So please push all your feature and bug patches soon and ask for review | 04:06 |
| tpatil | #topic: Stein work items | 04:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ": Stein work items (Meeting topic: Masakari)" | 04:06 | |
| tpatil | 1) Send notifications for all API changes | 04:06 |
| shilpasd | saw your review comments here, will make changes accordingly and push the patch for further review | 04:07 |
| tpatil | shilpasd: I have given minor nit comments on your patch. if you can address them we can get that patch merge soon | 04:07 |
| shilpasd | yes, after this meeting will do so, thank you | 04:07 |
| tpatil | shilpasd: Ok, thank you. | 04:07 |
| tpatil | 2) functional tests | 04:08 |
| tpatil | #link : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/633663/ | 04:08 |
| tpatil | I think this patch needs to be rebased | 04:08 |
| tpatil | shilpasd: Can you please request Jayashree to do the needful as she is working in your team? | 04:08 |
| shilpasd | yes Tushar san, will do requested | 04:09 |
| tpatil | shilpasd: Thanks | 04:09 |
| tpatil | 3) Add progress details for recovery workflows | 04:10 |
| tpatil | shilpasd: Some of the jobs are failing. please take a loot at it | 04:10 |
| shilpasd | yes, will look into it | 04:10 |
| tpatil | in requirements.txt, you should include SQLAlchemy-Utils to fix the requirements job failing issue | 04:11 |
| tpatil | shilpasd: Have you solved the taskflow db creation issue? | 04:12 |
| shilpasd | yes | 04:12 |
| tpatil | shilpasd: what was the issue? | 04:12 |
| shilpasd | issue was with 'alembic_version' | 04:12 |
| shilpasd | that table needs to be clear | 04:12 |
| tpatil | shilpasd: Ok | 04:13 |
| shilpasd | this table is also getting added along with persistence DB tables | 04:13 |
| tpatil | shilpasd: I have started reviewing your patches | 04:13 |
| shilpasd | thank you for review | 04:13 |
| tpatil | I think you have dependency on the openstacksdk inorder to render the progress details in masakari dashboard, correct? | 04:14 |
| shilpasd | yes and also on python-masakariclient | 04:14 |
| tpatil | on some of the patches I have added comment to set dependency correctly so that it's clear which patches should be merged first | 04:15 |
| shilpasd | ok, will take a look on it, and will set dependency accordingly | 04:16 |
| tpatil | shilpasd: Ok ,Thank you | 04:17 |
| tpatil | shilpasd: You have added "connection_for_notification_persistence" config option under DEFAULT section, I think it should add it in a new section taskflow. I will add my comment on the patch | 04:19 |
| tpatil | as only taskflow will know how to add it's related db tables | 04:20 |
| shilpasd | actually saw that 'notification_driver' conf option is under [defult] section, so added there | 04:20 |
| shilpasd | will change it as you suggested here, thank you | 04:20 |
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| tpatil | Any other items from Stein cycle left for discussion? | 04:26 |
| tashiromt | i dont have any topic | 04:27 |
| shilpasd | No, you covered All topics | 04:27 |
| tpatil | Ok, Then let's end this meeting early | 04:28 |
| shilpasd | ok, thank you | 04:28 |
| tpatil | Thank you, All | 04:28 |
| tpatil | #endmeeting | 04:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 04:28 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 5 04:28:31 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 04:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2019/masakari.2019-03-05-04.00.html | 04:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2019/masakari.2019-03-05-04.00.txt | 04:28 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2019/masakari.2019-03-05-04.00.log.html | 04:28 |
| tashiromt | thank you all | 04:29 |
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| slaweq | #startmeeting neutron_ci | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 5 16:00:19 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is slaweq. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ci' | 16:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 16:00 |
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| slaweq | hi | 16:00 |
| slaweq | lets wait few minutes for others to join | 16:01 |
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| mlavalle | while we wait, did you ping rubasov about the patches yet to be revieiwed? | 16:01 |
| njohnston | o/ | 16:01 |
| ralonsoh | hi | 16:01 |
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| slaweq | mlavalle: yes I talked with rubasov about it | 16:02 |
| slaweq | I will give You later log from what we talked, ok? | 16:02 |
| slaweq | ok, lets start | 16:02 |
| bcafarel | o/ | 16:02 |
| haleyb | hi | 16:02 |
| slaweq | #topic Actions from previous meetings | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from previous meetings (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:03 | |
| slaweq | first one was | 16:03 |
| slaweq | njohnston to create etherpad with python3 status of stadium projects | 16:03 |
| njohnston | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron_stadium_python3_status | 16:03 |
| njohnston | I identified the jobs that look like they are still running py2 | 16:03 |
| njohnston | by going into the job log for every job and seeing what the full path to libraries were reported in tracebacks, seemed like the most reliable method | 16:04 |
| njohnston | at this point all automatically generated changes are merged and py3 unit test jobs are present and passing | 16:04 |
| slaweq | thx njohnston, great job | 16:05 |
| njohnston | I started on the list with bagpipe trying a zuul v3 migration as well. | 16:05 |
| njohnston | so with your approval I will send this to the ML | 16:05 |
| njohnston | and work on a few of the changes mysqlf | 16:05 |
| njohnston | *myself | 16:06 |
| slaweq | ok, that sounds good for me | 16:06 |
| mlavalle | yes, great! | 16:06 |
| slaweq | and IMO we should focus only on voting jobs, non-voting jobs should be taken care by project's team | 16:06 |
| slaweq | what do You think? | 16:06 |
| bcafarel | the list does not look too bad nice (of course, no guarantee what will happen when trying to move some of them to py3) | 16:07 |
| njohnston | I agree, I just made a note of them for the sake of completeness | 16:07 |
| njohnston | so that if a project wants to mark a job voting then they know they should also make it py3 | 16:07 |
| mlavalle | yes, only voting jobs | 16:07 |
| slaweq | yes, that's good we have it on the list but lets take care only about voting jobs from this list :) | 16:07 |
| njohnston | +1 | 16:07 |
| slaweq | ok, lets move on then | 16:09 |
| slaweq | next one was | 16:09 |
| slaweq | slaweq to check bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1816489 | 16:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1816489 in neutron "Functional test neutron.tests.functional.agent.l3.test_ha_router.LinuxBridgeL3HATestCase. test_ha_router_lifecycle failing" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq) | 16:09 |
| slaweq | I did, and fix is merged: https://review.openstack.org/640400 | 16:09 |
| slaweq | next one was: | 16:09 |
| slaweq | slaweq to create bionic test patches for stadium projects | 16:09 |
| slaweq | test patches are done for neutron and stadium projects: patches done: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:legacy-job-bionic+status:open+owner:%22Slawek+Kaplonski+%253Cskaplons%2540redhat.com%253E%22 | 16:10 |
| slaweq | I found some bugs, so reported it on launchpad | 16:11 |
| slaweq | I also listed summary to ML: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-February/003129.html | 16:11 |
| slaweq | if someone wants to help, You can take a look at those bugs and propose fixes :) | 16:11 |
| slaweq | for networking-ovn lucasgomes already proposed fix, so that is fine | 16:12 |
| slaweq | questions, comments? | 16:12 |
| mlavalle | good job, thanks! | 16:12 |
| njohnston | looks great! good work. | 16:12 |
| slaweq | thx | 16:12 |
| slaweq | ok, lets move on | 16:13 |
| slaweq | slaweq to prepare etherpad and plan of moving tempest plugins from stadium projects to neutron-tempest-plugin repo | 16:13 |
| slaweq | so I did etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron_stadium_move_to_tempest_plugin_repo with "plan of work to do" | 16:13 |
| slaweq | please check if that makes sense for You | 16:13 |
| slaweq | generally it's only 5 projects which have some tempest tests to move | 16:14 |
| mlavalle | that's a manageable number | 16:14 |
| slaweq | I didn't list here 3rd party projects like for vmware-nsx | 16:14 |
| njohnston | very nice | 16:14 |
| slaweq | it's only related to stadium projects | 16:14 |
| slaweq | is that fine? or should we take care of 3rd party project too? | 16:15 |
| mlavalle | I think tidwellr can help us with dynamic routing | 16:15 |
| njohnston | just FYI for the meeting minutes; the link for the bionic migration email was incorrect. The correct one is: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-March/003479.html | 16:15 |
| slaweq | njohnston: thx | 16:15 |
| mlavalle | I can ping tidwellr and ask him to help | 16:15 |
| bcafarel | I'd say 3rd party by definition means outside of common repo | 16:15 |
| slaweq | bcafarel: yes, I also think that | 16:15 |
| slaweq | but according to what QA team wants they also should be moved to separate repositories | 16:16 |
| mlavalle | that leaves 4 repos | 16:16 |
| njohnston | I think 3rd party projects would be outside the scope of this upstream committee, but might be in scope for distro vendors like Red Hat or SuSE to work with as part of the distro offerings outside the scope of the official stadium support | 16:16 |
| njohnston | if you know what I mean | 16:16 |
| slaweq | njohnston: yes, I know | 16:16 |
| slaweq | njohnston: that we can discuss downstream too :) | 16:17 |
| slaweq | ok, so getting back to the list | 16:17 |
| slaweq | mlavalle will ask tidwellr to help with dynamic-routing, that's good | 16:17 |
| slaweq | any other volunteers? | 16:17 |
| mlavalle | before going on.... | 16:18 |
| slaweq | if You want to help, please add You name in etherpad | 16:18 |
| mlavalle | I got confused | 16:18 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: why? | 16:18 |
| mlavalle | to make sure | 16:18 |
| mlavalle | we are moving these plugins to the neutron-tempest-plugin repor, right? | 16:18 |
| slaweq | yes | 16:18 |
| mlavalle | ok | 16:18 |
| slaweq | we agreed on that on last meeting I think | 16:19 |
| slaweq | it was already done for midonet some time ago, so we will do it for others too | 16:19 |
| bcafarel | it was a request from QA in Denver PTG right? | 16:19 |
| slaweq | bcafarel: right | 16:19 |
| mlavalle | I know, but I got cofused by something that was said above... nevermind | 16:19 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: sure, I understand :) | 16:20 |
| bcafarel | I can probably give a hand for sfc, I still remember a few things there :) | 16:20 |
| mlavalle | for bgpvpn.... have we asked tmorin? | 16:20 |
| njohnston | I put my name down for fwaas | 16:20 |
| mlavalle | I took sfc | 16:20 |
| slaweq | ok, I also put in this etherpad some "action plan" how to perform such migration but please read it and update if You think it should be done differently | 16:21 |
| mlavalle | unless bcafarel wants it | 16:21 |
| mlavalle | then I'd take vpnaas | 16:21 |
| bcafarel | mlavalle: no problem, I can do vpnaas | 16:21 |
| mlavalle | bcafarel: let's switch. you know sfc well | 16:21 |
| mlavalle | in case there are issues | 16:22 |
| slaweq | I can ping tmorin about bgpvpn tomorrow | 16:22 |
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| bcafarel | ^ sounds good, before "volunteering" him | 16:22 |
| bcafarel | mlavalle: ack :) | 16:22 |
| slaweq | basically there shouldn't be big problems with it, it's "just" rehoming tests to other repo :) | 16:22 |
| slaweq | but we also need to define new jobs for those tests | 16:23 |
| slaweq | ok, can we move forward then? | 16:24 |
| mlavalle | so each volunteer is responsible for the jobs of his repo? | 16:24 |
| njohnston | +1 | 16:24 |
| slaweq | +1 | 16:24 |
| bcafarel | all good | 16:24 |
| slaweq | ok, that was easy :) | 16:25 |
| slaweq | thx guys :) | 16:26 |
| slaweq | lets go to next topics | 16:26 |
| slaweq | as we already talked about transiton to bionic and python 3, lets go to | 16:26 |
| slaweq | #topic Grafana | 16:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Grafana (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:26 | |
| slaweq | #link http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate | 16:26 |
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| bcafarel | sometimes I think we should open this link in some tab when starting the meeting (to give it time to load) | 16:27 |
| slaweq | bcafarel: that's good idea | 16:28 |
| slaweq | I will try to remember to put it as first thing in the meeting next time :) | 16:28 |
| slaweq | so basically we have "only" 2 problems now :/ | 16:29 |
| slaweq | neutron-fullstack and functional tests are in very bad shape | 16:29 |
| mlavalle | fullstack/ functional? | 16:29 |
| slaweq | yes, most of tempest/scenario jobs are fine | 16:29 |
| slaweq | one thing to mention: I added py37 UT job to dashboard recently | 16:30 |
| slaweq | and moved lower-constraints job to the same graph too as it's also UT job in fact | 16:30 |
| slaweq | any questions/comments? | 16:31 |
| bcafarel | makes sense (the "new" UT graph) | 16:32 |
| slaweq | thx bcafarel :) | 16:32 |
| slaweq | lets than talk about functional/fullstack issues | 16:32 |
| slaweq | #topic fullstack/functional | 16:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "fullstack/functional (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:32 | |
| slaweq | so, first functional tests | 16:32 |
| slaweq | I recently noticed and reported 3 different bugs: | 16:33 |
| slaweq | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1818334 - this one isn't very big issue as it happend "only" few times | 16:33 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1818334 in neutron "Functional test test_concurrent_create_port_forwarding_update_port is failing" [Medium,Confirmed] | 16:33 |
| slaweq | I wanted to ask liuyulong_zzz that maybe he can take a look as he was doing this test IIRC | 16:33 |
| mlavalle | we can bring it up tomorrow in the l3 meeting | 16:34 |
| mlavalle | I'll do it | 16:34 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: thx | 16:34 |
| mlavalle | so, we want to ask if he is still fixing it? | 16:34 |
| slaweq | now, next bugs are much more urgent: | 16:34 |
| slaweq | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1818613 | 16:34 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1818613 in neutron "Functional/fullstack qos related tests fails often" [Critical,Confirmed] | 16:34 |
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| slaweq | this one is I think somehow related to ralonsoh patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/406841/ | 16:35 |
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| ralonsoh | slaweq, how? | 16:36 |
| slaweq | ralonsoh: http://logstash.openstack.org/#/dashboard/file/logstash.json?query=message:%5C%22line%2052,%20in%20_minimum_bandwidth_initialize%5C%22 | 16:37 |
| slaweq | it looks that it started failing like that when we merged Your patch | 16:37 |
| slaweq | but it's only from my quick look, so please don't take it as 100% sure thing :) | 16:37 |
| ralonsoh | slaweq, I'll take a look at this now | 16:38 |
| slaweq | ralonsoh: thx | 16:38 |
| slaweq | in bug report You have link to example failure and to logstash query | 16:38 |
| mlavalle | gracias ralonsoh | 16:38 |
| mlavalle | como siempre, muy entron | 16:38 |
| slaweq | I know that dougwig also wanted to look at them so please maybe sync with him | 16:38 |
| slaweq | ok, and second of those bugs is related to L3 HA: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1818614 | 16:39 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1818614 in neutron "Various L3HA functional tests fails often" [Critical,Confirmed] | 16:39 |
| slaweq | in this case also many random tests are failing | 16:39 |
| slaweq | and only common thing between them is that they are all failing when waiting for router to be transitioned to master | 16:39 |
| slaweq | so from that I would say that first thing to check is keepalived and all things related to it | 16:40 |
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| slaweq | mlavalle: maybe You can also raise it on tomorrow's L3 meeting? | 16:41 |
| mlavalle | you read my mind.... I'll add a tage to it | 16:42 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: thx | 16:42 |
| slaweq | I saw in neutron channel that dougwig is looking at this now, I will sync later with him if he will need any help on that | 16:43 |
| slaweq | and basically those are most urgent functional tests issues which fails a lot recently | 16:43 |
| dougwig | i was adding elastic queries, i'm not sure how much time i have for these particular bugs. | 16:43 |
| slaweq | dougwig: hi, ok | 16:43 |
| mlavalle | all help is welcome dougwig | 16:43 |
| dougwig | i'll try to give it some cycles today, but i'm not sure. | 16:43 |
| slaweq | dougwig: so if You would found something, please write it in bug report | 16:44 |
| dougwig | ok. | 16:44 |
| slaweq | I will tomorrow morning continue work on it | 16:44 |
| slaweq | thx dougwig :) | 16:44 |
| mlavalle | dougwig, slaweq: let's just update the bug with whatever progress we make | 16:44 |
| slaweq | mlavalle++ | 16:44 |
| mlavalle | so others can follow from that point | 16:44 |
| slaweq | ok, and now fullstack tests | 16:45 |
| slaweq | - https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1818335 | 16:45 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1818335 in neutron "Fullstack test test_dscp_marking_packets fails" [Medium,Confirmed] | 16:45 |
| * mlavalle aslo added a l3 dvr backlog tag to the port forwarding bug | 16:45 | |
| slaweq | I found quite many times some issues with this test | 16:45 |
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| slaweq | it always fails because no marked packet was received | 16:46 |
| mlavalle | is the priority right? | 16:46 |
| slaweq | I don't know if that is issue in L2 agent or maybe in tcpdump which is checking those packets | 16:46 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: what is the priority? | 16:46 |
| mlavalle | of the bug, medium? | 16:46 |
| slaweq | yes, I marked it like that few days ago | 16:47 |
| mlavalle | ok | 16:47 |
| slaweq | but now I think we can change to high | 16:47 |
| mlavalle | ahhh, that was my question | 16:47 |
| slaweq | as it happens more times in last few days :) | 16:47 |
| slaweq | changed | 16:47 |
| slaweq | I guess that there will be no voluneers for that one so I will probably assign it to my self | 16:48 |
| slaweq | but first I will focus on this bug with functional tests | 16:48 |
| slaweq | from other bugs, I found also that we recently hit couple of times old bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1799555 | 16:48 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1799555 in neutron "Fullstack test neutron.tests.fullstack.test_dhcp_agent.TestDhcpAgentHA.test_reschedule_network_on_new_agent timeout" [Medium,Confirmed] | 16:48 |
| mlavalle | slaweq: if you need help with the dscp one, I can try to help | 16:49 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: that would be great | 16:49 |
| mlavalle | ok, I'll take it | 16:49 |
| njohnston | I can try to help with the dscp one as well, I have some expertise in DSCP :-) | 16:50 |
| slaweq | actally looking at this last one now http://logstash.openstack.org/#/dashboard/file/logstash.json?query=message:%5C%22line%20168,%20in%20test_reschedule_network_on_new_agent%5C%22 | 16:50 |
| slaweq | it happens also quite often | 16:50 |
| mlavalle | njohnston: in that case, I'll let you take a stab at it | 16:50 |
| slaweq | so I will also change it to high | 16:50 |
| * njohnston adds it to my task list | 16:50 | |
| slaweq | mlavalle: so maybe You can take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1799555 ? | 16:50 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1799555 in neutron "Fullstack test neutron.tests.fullstack.test_dhcp_agent.TestDhcpAgentHA.test_reschedule_network_on_new_agent timeout" [High,Confirmed] | 16:51 |
| slaweq | :) | 16:51 |
| mlavalle | ok | 16:51 |
| slaweq | I see at least 7 hits in last 7 days | 16:51 |
| slaweq | thx mlavalle | 16:51 |
| slaweq | ok, so to sum up | 16:51 |
| dougwig | slaweq: i filed two new ci unstable bugs this morning, and added elastic rechecks for them. | 16:51 |
| slaweq | njohnston will take a look at fullstack dscp issue, | 16:52 |
| njohnston | #action njohnston Debug fullstack DSCP issue | 16:52 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: will take a look at fullstack dhcp rescheduling issue | 16:52 |
| slaweq | right? | 16:52 |
| njohnston | +1 | 16:52 |
| mlavalle | +1 | 16:52 |
| slaweq | thx | 16:52 |
| slaweq | #action mlavalle to take a look at fullstack dhcp rescheduling issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1799555 | 16:52 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1799555 in neutron "Fullstack test neutron.tests.fullstack.test_dhcp_agent.TestDhcpAgentHA.test_reschedule_network_on_new_agent timeout" [High,Confirmed] | 16:52 |
| slaweq | dougwig: do You have links to bugs? | 16:53 |
| dougwig | one sec | 16:53 |
| dougwig | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1818696 | 16:53 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1818696 in neutron "frequent ci failures trying to delete qos port" [Undecided,New] | 16:53 |
| dougwig | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1818697 | 16:53 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1818697 in neutron "neutron fullstack frequently times out waiting on qos ports" [Undecided,New] | 16:53 |
| dougwig | if either is a dup, i can update the elastic queries. | 16:53 |
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| slaweq | it may be that second one is dup of https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1818613 | 16:54 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1818613 in neutron "Functional/fullstack qos related tests fails often" [Critical,Confirmed] | 16:54 |
| slaweq | but one is related to functional tests and second to fullstack | 16:54 |
| slaweq | so I would say, lets keep open both - maybe they will be fixed with same patch | 16:55 |
| slaweq | do You agree? | 16:55 |
| dougwig | yes. one is not finding a port, the other is a timeout. they may be related, but i'm not sure yet. | 16:55 |
| slaweq | dougwig: ok, thx :) | 16:55 |
| mlavalle | +1 | 16:56 |
| slaweq | ok | 16:56 |
| slaweq | ok, lets move on quickly | 16:57 |
| slaweq | #topic Tempest/Scenario | 16:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tempest/Scenario (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:57 | |
| slaweq | mlavalle: any updates on on https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1795870 ? | 16:57 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1795870 in neutron "Trunk scenario test test_trunk_subport_lifecycle fails from time to time" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Miguel Lavalle (minsel) | 16:57 |
| mlavalle | the patches are ok | 16:57 |
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| mlavalle | I am trying to find the best way to test | 16:57 |
| slaweq | ready for review, right? | 16:57 |
| mlavalle | attempt this past Sunday on testing wasn\'t too good | 16:58 |
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| mlavalle | so I need to iterate once more | 16:59 |
| slaweq | ok, if You will need any help, ping me :) | 16:59 |
| mlavalle | ok | 16:59 |
| mlavalle | I'll probably ping you and dougwig in channel | 16:59 |
| slaweq | I think we are running out of time now | 16:59 |
| slaweq | thx for attending | 16:59 |
| bcafarel | o/ | 16:59 |
| slaweq | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
| njohnston | I have one thing I want to raise; can we continue the discussion on #openstack-neutron? | 16:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 16:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 5 16:59:53 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2019/neutron_ci.2019-03-05-16.00.html | 16:59 |
| slaweq | o/ | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2019/neutron_ci.2019-03-05-16.00.txt | 16:59 |
| ralonsoh | bye | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2019/neutron_ci.2019-03-05-16.00.log.html | 16:59 |
| slaweq | njohnston: sure | 17:00 |
| slaweq | sorry that it took so long today :) | 17:00 |
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| njohnston | all good :-) | 17:13 |
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| clarkb | Anyone else here for the Infra meeting? We'll get started shortly | 18:59 |
| cmurphy | o/ | 19:00 |
| clarkb | #startmeeting infra | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 5 19:01:05 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is clarkb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:01 |
| clarkb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2019-March/006291.html | 19:01 |
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| clarkb | #topic Announcements | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:01 | |
| clarkb | The OpenStack TC election is happening right now. Those of you that have contributed to the infra project in the last year or so should have received a personal ballot in your email inbox. You have until 23:45UTC today to vote if you haven't yet | 19:02 |
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| clarkb | #link https://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/signing.html#attestation sign the Train release key | 19:03 |
| fungi | #link https://sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0xcdc08088c3cb45a9be08332b2354069e5b504663&fingerprint=on OpenStack Infra (Train Cycle) artifact signing key | 19:03 |
| clarkb | fungi has set up a train release gpg key (thank you!) and those of us with root access should follow the steps in the link above to sign it | 19:03 |
| clarkb | That is on my todo list for post meeting so hopefully I'll get that done soon. Something to do while waiting for afs to replicate a not small volume :) | 19:04 |
| clarkb | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/denver-2019/call-for-presentations Submit Forum session ideas now | 19:04 |
| diablo_rojo | o/ | 19:04 |
| clarkb | It is also that time of year where we plan to get together and talk about designing software/services | 19:04 |
| clarkb | If you've got topics for that feel free to submit them | 19:04 |
| clarkb | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:06 | |
| clarkb | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2019/infra.2019-02-26-19.01.txt minutes from last meeting | 19:06 |
| clarkb | I set an everyone action to sign up for gitea story tasks. I think that has gone reasonably well and we are making progress on the gitea front | 19:06 |
| corvus | yep, all tasks accounted for | 19:07 |
| clarkb | Lets bring that up during opendev discussion though | 19:07 |
| clarkb | corvus: yay | 19:07 |
| clarkb | #topic Specs Approval | 19:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs Approval (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:07 | |
| clarkb | We also merged the letsencrypt spec after reviews last week. THank you everyone for that | 19:07 |
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| clarkb | Mostly just mentioning it here in case you missed it. | 19:08 |
| clarkb | #topic Priority Efforts | 19:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Priority Efforts (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:08 | |
| clarkb | #topic Storyboard | 19:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Storyboard (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:08 | |
| clarkb | I ran through running storyboard tests locally and pushed an update to the storyboard docs that appear to have merged | 19:09 |
| diablo_rojo | Been slowly getting SotK's attachment patches through | 19:09 |
| diablo_rojo | Also still being innundated with prospective outreachy interns | 19:09 |
| clarkb | I did that in support of making it easier for outreachy applicants. Hopefully they find it useful | 19:09 |
| fungi | yeah, mordred added an alternative solution relying on swift tempurls which will hopefully solve one of the security risks we missed with the previous client auth idea | 19:10 |
| clarkb | cool sounds like good progress on the attachments implementation then | 19:10 |
| mordred | fungi: oh - crappit - I need to finish that / follow up on those patches | 19:10 |
| mordred | fungi: thanks for the reminder | 19:11 |
| clarkb | for outreachy are there specific tasks/deadlines we should be aware of as a "hosting project" (I don't know what the actual term is) | 19:11 |
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| fungi | the outreachy hopefuls are also burning through our new-contributor-friendly stories at am amazing pace | 19:11 |
| mordred | (fwiw, I've been saying "tempurl" when I mean "formsubmit" - but yes) | 19:11 |
| diablo_rojo | I think the application proposals for interns closes soon. | 19:11 |
| fungi | oh, thanks for the clarification mordred | 19:11 |
| diablo_rojo | Not sure what day we need to pick an intern by though | 19:11 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, yeah that has been amazing | 19:12 |
| fungi | oh, related to interns but not outreachy, hogepodge also has some capstone interns from ndsu he's sticking on some storyboard todo items as well | 19:12 |
| diablo_rojo | I guess I will need to go triage some more soon | 19:12 |
| diablo_rojo | Oh yeah | 19:12 |
| diablo_rojo | specifically amending the migration script to handle bps as well | 19:12 |
| diablo_rojo | optionally | 19:12 |
| fungi | right, we've had a few teams request lp blueprints be migrated to stories | 19:12 |
| diablo_rojo | So we could migrate bps and bugs, or just one or the other | 19:12 |
| clarkb | diablo_rojo: we probably want to do a review pass of those changes as part of the application process? (and when I say we I really mean people that know storyboard) | 19:13 |
| mordred | diablo_rojo: maybe after meeting let's sync on a plan for the formsubmit swift stuff | 19:13 |
| diablo_rojo | mordred, sounds good | 19:14 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, should probably be around too for that | 19:14 |
| clarkb | Are there other topics we should cover that aren't outreachy and the attachments implementation? | 19:14 |
| diablo_rojo | clarkb, yeah I have reviewed a few so far, but there are more to do if anyone can help out. | 19:14 |
| diablo_rojo | Placement will be using sb? Yay! | 19:15 |
| clarkb | diablo_rojo: maybe we can tag them all with an outreachy topic? | 19:15 |
| clarkb | diablo_rojo: that might help reviewers? not sure how difficult it is to sort them out from the other work | 19:15 |
| diablo_rojo | clarkb, oh yeah thats a good call. I can go and do that | 19:15 |
| clarkb | great thanks | 19:15 |
| fungi | yeah, the last placement meeting talked about sb some, but ended in cdent's e-mail to the openstack-discuss ml | 19:15 |
| fungi | so probably doesn't need separate summarizing | 19:15 |
| clarkb | ok lets move on then | 19:16 |
| clarkb | #topic Update Config Management | 19:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Update Config Management (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:17 | |
| clarkb | We are ready to start deploying puppet 4 in places. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/630391/ Does that for our dev servers but was updated to fix an issue frickler caught before I could approve it | 19:17 |
| clarkb | rereviews very welcome and I'm happy to approve that and watch it | 19:17 |
| cmurphy | yay | 19:17 |
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| clarkb | We continue to refine the docker-compose to deploy docker images with ansible process/tooling | 19:18 |
| clarkb | we are running 4 services with that now? | 19:18 |
| clarkb | corvus: ^ you probably know off the top of your head | 19:18 |
| corvus | gitea, haproxy, registry, preview | 19:19 |
| clarkb | Also my changes to add a zuulcd user to bridge are merged so I think we can start with Zuul triggering CD jobs again | 19:19 |
| clarkb | I guess so far just one chagne and we need to have a discussion about auto updating key data | 19:19 |
| clarkb | but that is sufficient for now if we want to start splitting out config management runs from the always run every 15 minutes to run when necessary | 19:20 |
| corvus | i think we might be able to pull the git playbook out of base and run it on changes to projects.yaml | 19:20 |
| clarkb | zuul-preview deployments likely another good candidate for that (run when zuul-preview updates) | 19:20 |
| fungi | i also added some suggestions on the authorized_keys retrieval change | 19:20 |
| corvus | yep, we can chain it to follow the promote job | 19:20 |
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| clarkb | fungi: thanks I'll take a look today | 19:21 |
| fungi | as a side note there, is there a reason we can't have it retrieve keys from zuul.opendev.org instead of zuul.openstack.org? i think that solves several of my concerns | 19:21 |
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| corvus | fungi: we absolutely can. it was just written before it existed | 19:22 |
| clarkb | yup that | 19:22 |
| fungi | cool, i thought (hoped) that might be the case | 19:22 |
| clarkb | if that will alleviate concern I'll go ahead and make that update | 19:22 |
| fungi | i was having trouble putting together a working api url to do that yesterday but that was probably just my fault | 19:22 |
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| fungi | clarkb: the other remaining concern will be easier to take care of later with letsencrypt | 19:22 |
| fungi | and is something we might want to consider doing for all our opendev le certs | 19:23 |
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| fungi | though i'm not 100% sure the python requests module supports it (yet) | 19:23 |
| clarkb | ok I'll take a look today | 19:24 |
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| clarkb | Are there other config management related changes/items that we want to go over before we zoom in on opendev/gitea? | 19:24 |
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| fungi | none for which i'm aware | 19:25 |
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| clarkb | #topic OpenDev | 19:25 |
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| corvus | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2004627 opendev tasks | 19:25 |
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| corvus | since last week, we're basically halfway done with the tasks needed before we are ready to actually move | 19:26 |
| clarkb | We now have 8 gitea servers running behind haproxy hosting https://opendev.org | 19:26 |
| corvus | i think the most urgent thing is actually a new task not on there, which is to fix the default branch setting for the projects we're replicating now as well as new projects | 19:26 |
| corvus | mordred is working on that, with, presumably, clarkb and i helping | 19:27 |
| clarkb | yup I'm happy to help on that | 19:27 |
| corvus | once replication is done and looks correct, i plan on starting on the last task on the list, which is the announcement email | 19:27 |
| corvus | i want to get that out as early as possible so folks know the plan and openstack and starlingx can make any preparations for repo moves | 19:28 |
| clarkb | ++ | 19:28 |
| fungi | sounds great | 19:28 |
| corvus | but i also want to wait until we have a fully-functioning site to demo in the email | 19:28 |
| fungi | i've just updated the story to include previously missed airship domain name | 19:28 |
| corvus | meanwhile, we can work on the rest of the preparatory tasks | 19:28 |
| corvus | fungi: thx :) | 19:29 |
| clarkb | is anyone stuck or needing help on any of their tasks? | 19:29 |
| fungi | i just need to carve out time to knock mine out. shouldn't take long | 19:30 |
| ianw | I'll go through devstack plugins looking for git://'s | 19:30 |
| frickler | the issues and release tabs don't look correct for some projects, do we have a plan for that? | 19:31 |
| frickler | issues always redirect to sb | 19:31 |
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| ianw | corvus: is there a plan for port 9418 in the interim, to maybe forward to a proxy or something? | 19:31 |
| clarkb | frickler: the issue there being we should link to launchpad in some cases? | 19:31 |
| corvus | ianw: no, it's not possible to support | 19:31 |
| clarkb | frickler: we should be able to fix that by looking up if a project uses storyboard or not in the project.yaml yaml file I expect. Then run the fixup playbook across all the projects once we haev that logic in place | 19:32 |
| clarkb | frickler: probably worth a new task to track that though | 19:32 |
| frickler | and releases look incomplete, compare https://opendev.org/openstack/designate/releases to https://github.com/openstack/designate/releases | 19:32 |
| mordred | yeah. | 19:32 |
| mordred | well - the releases tab is a thing we probably need to think about - maybe we should remove it from the ui for now until we have a good plan for it | 19:33 |
| clarkb | frickler: looking at that almost appears to be a gitea bug? | 19:33 |
| clarkb | the tags are available on the code screen at least | 19:33 |
| corvus | can someone tell me what the bug is? | 19:33 |
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| clarkb | corvus: only the rc releases seem to be listed | 19:33 |
| corvus | ah | 19:34 |
| clarkb | well rc and beta. None of the actual releases are listed | 19:34 |
| mordred | well - the bug for ME is that I don't want us hosting links to things people shouldn't ever download | 19:34 |
| corvus | mordred: yeah, i think you were... that. yes. | 19:34 |
| frickler | its not consistent it seems, but e.g. for designate 7.0.0 seems to be missing | 19:34 |
| corvus | so let's just drop the releases page | 19:34 |
| mordred | yeah | 19:34 |
| mordred | I think it could be a nice thing to do something with at some point to have releases point to our actual releases | 19:34 |
| corvus | i'll make new tasks for all of these things | 19:34 |
| clarkb | mordred: the concern being the tarball there isn't a valid python sdist? I agree that is a proble mand removing the tab would be good | 19:34 |
| fungi | makes sense to me | 19:34 |
| mordred | but that's more work | 19:34 |
| mordred | clarkb: yes. that is the problem | 19:34 |
| mordred | same bug as github's ui has - a git export isn't always a valid source tarball | 19:34 |
| clarkb | this is good feedback and godo for us to catch these things before we announce it more widely :) | 19:35 |
| corvus | yep :) | 19:36 |
| clarkb | Anything else opendev or gitea related? If not we'll move on to our general topics list | 19:36 |
| corvus | story updated with 3 new tasks, 2 of which are unassigned | 19:36 |
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| corvus | clarkb: none from me | 19:37 |
| clarkb | #topic General Topics | 19:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "General Topics (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:38 | |
| clarkb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/201808-infra-server-upgrades-and-cleanup Trusty Server Upgrades | 19:38 |
| clarkb | This is mostly a status update and thank you to those helping with this | 19:38 |
| clarkb | I've written down an afs fileserver upgrade plan on that etherpad (and am currently executing step 1) | 19:38 |
| clarkb | if you have a chance to review that the input I've received so far has been helpful | 19:39 |
| clarkb | And once again if you are able to upgrade a server or two please volunteer. | 19:39 |
| clarkb | As for sprinting on this I haven't heard any responses to my email about that | 19:39 |
| clarkb | For my schedule March 11 and 12 work best (next monday and tuesday) | 19:39 |
| clarkb | so I'm probably going to go ahead and scribble that in as the sprint days and I'll see you there if you can make it? | 19:40 |
| clarkb | Next up is ianw's backups topic | 19:40 |
| clarkb | ianw seems we have some cleanup to do on the backup erver? | 19:41 |
| ianw | the main problem is : /dev/mapper/main-backups 3.0T 2.8T 579M 100% /opt/backups | 19:41 |
| ianw | now we have 3tb in "old" volumes, which we decided to clean up "in a few months" @ http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-10-31-19.01.log.html#l-189 | 19:42 |
| clarkb | ianw: I would be on board with cleaning that up by deleting the contents of those volumes, but then repurposing the voluming as the target for new backups | 19:43 |
| clarkb | then we can do similar cleanup with the current volumes in the future? | 19:43 |
| ianw | i actually had a thought that we document our process here as periodically keeping the old volume, and swapping | 19:43 |
| clarkb | ianw: ++ | 19:43 |
| ianw | clarkb: cool, i think we said the same thing :) | 19:43 |
| clarkb | since bup is append only having a formal rotation process would be good | 19:43 |
| corvus | i like it | 19:43 |
| clarkb | ianw: is this something you'll be able to drive? or do we need volunteer(s)? | 19:44 |
| ianw | clarkb: i can take an action item to do that | 19:44 |
| clarkb | #action ianw rotate backup volumes on backup server | 19:44 |
| clarkb | ianw: thanks | 19:44 |
| ianw | yeah, i didn't know if we wanted to investigate some sort of automated pruning | 19:45 |
| clarkb | Not to completely derail, but at times I wonder if borgbackup would be helpful here. I've been using it for personal backups and my understanding is it can do append only backups with pruning | 19:45 |
| fungi | i wonder if we could abuse logrotate to do it | 19:45 |
| ianw | personally, i feel like some custom script has a non-trivial chance of wiping out much more than it intends | 19:45 |
| clarkb | I don't think you can prune bup backups | 19:46 |
| clarkb | at least not in bup itself | 19:46 |
| ianw | no, but we could do some sort of automated repo moving type thing | 19:46 |
| fungi | yeah, i guess rotating with retention means losing deduplication of the rotated copy | 19:46 |
| clarkb | ianw: ya we could move the dest repo out of the way and replace it with a new empty target | 19:47 |
| clarkb | then after X time delete the moved repo | 19:47 |
| ianw | it's probably spec worthy, maybe the whole backups process could do with a re-look in the opendev world | 19:47 |
| clarkb | ++ | 19:47 |
| corvus | well, pruning with bup is experimental | 19:47 |
| clarkb | corvus: ah | 19:47 |
| ianw | anyway, i won't sign up to take on a full overhaul :) but just flagging it for now | 19:47 |
| clarkb | ianw: ya the earlier fix should give us breathing room to think it through | 19:47 |
| ianw | the other quick thing i noticed was we're not backing up stats on graphite.opendev.org (previously openstack.org) | 19:48 |
| clarkb | fwiw I'm likely to suggest borgbackup if we intend to do a big overhaul as I've really enjoyed working with it. You can fuse mount a backup to copy files and it encrypts at the source so you don't have to trust your remote :) | 19:48 |
| ianw | not sure if that is a bug or feature | 19:48 |
| corvus | i don't think we need to back up stats | 19:49 |
| clarkb | ianw: I'm not sure how important it is to backup that data | 19:49 |
| clarkb | its nice to have data that we can live without | 19:49 |
| ianw | ok, if it's a feature, that's cool :) | 19:49 |
| corvus | i agree with every one of the possible ways of reading clarkb's sentence :) | 19:49 |
| corvus | (it's nice to have (data that we can live without)) and (it's (nice to have) data that (we can live without)) | 19:50 |
| clarkb | :) | 19:50 |
| clarkb | Anything else backup related? | 19:50 |
| ianw | no, that's it for me | 19:51 |
| clarkb | #topic Open Discussion | 19:51 |
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| clarkb | I'm going to be in Seattle on the 19th but I should arrive early enough and be settled enough to run our meeting (especially with DST change this weekend). However the week after that (26th) we are doing a mini road trip for spring break back to the seattle area and I will likely be afk | 19:52 |
| clarkb | if anyone really wants to run the meeting in 3 weeks let me know | 19:52 |
| ianw | i have no other plans, so can do that if nobody else wants to | 19:53 |
| clarkb | Also DST change in the USA (and maybe canada?) is this weekend apparently | 19:53 |
| frickler | one other thing regarding gitea: can we clean up the exim paniclogs to reduce the amount of daily mails? | 19:53 |
| clarkb | This means that our meeting will happen an hour later in the day that it happened today for those of you in the usa | 19:54 |
| fungi | frickler: i think it's a more general bootstrapping problem. we might want to wipe the exim paniclog if present at the end of launch-node.py | 19:54 |
| frickler | clarkb: so the meeting won't stay at 19:00 UTC? | 19:55 |
| clarkb | frickler: oh sorry it stays at 1900UTC | 19:55 |
| fungi | pretty much every new server we've launched has a paniclog from (it appears) when exim configuraiton was first getting applied | 19:55 |
| clarkb | It is an hour later in the day relative to my local timezone | 19:55 |
| frickler | ah, I read it the wrong way around | 19:55 |
| clarkb | frickler: sorry I wasn't very clear on that. For pacific time meeting was at 11am today will be Noon next week | 19:55 |
| fungi | crazy folk like me who set their clocks to utc don't need to worry ;) | 19:56 |
| fungi | instead i get to deal with fixing the offset on all the non-community meetings in my remind file | 19:56 |
| corvus | my irc client's clock is utc | 19:56 |
| mordred | my irc client's clock is utc - and I put the infra meeting into my calendar using the iceland timezone so it just works :) | 19:57 |
| fungi | i probably should tag the recurring meetings in my remind file which *don't* follow utc and then just script their time changes accordingly | 19:57 |
| frickler | the EU might be stopping switching time zone soon ... maybe | 19:58 |
| clarkb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/639454/ is an example of a chagne that does post launch launch tasks | 19:58 |
| clarkb | if anyone wants to do the cleanup exim paniclog change ^ is a good place to start probably | 19:58 |
| corvus | i also voted to recommend that my state legislature consider beginning a process to investigate putting together a proposal to petition the us commerce department to allow us to stop switching between pst/pdt | 19:58 |
| fungi | clarkb: thanks, we can probably just tack on a `rm -rf /var/log/exim4/paniclog` and call it a day | 19:58 |
| corvus | so i'm *very* proactive on this issue. | 19:58 |
| clarkb | corvus: nice | 19:58 |
| clarkb | oregon has a bill that gets rejected every year to ditch dst (or go to dst fulltime) | 19:59 |
| clarkb | And we are just about at time. Thank you everyone | 19:59 |
| clarkb | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 19:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 5 19:59:19 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2019/infra.2019-03-05-19.01.html | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2019/infra.2019-03-05-19.01.txt | 19:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2019/infra.2019-03-05-19.01.log.html | 19:59 |
| fungi | corvus: there was a state referendum for that? would never happen in nc | 19:59 |
| corvus | fungi: yes, and it passed | 19:59 |
| corvus | https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/nov/09/california-permanent-daylight-saving-time-vote-prop-7 | 20:00 |
| fungi | neat! | 20:00 |
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| corvus | but apparently, since it's a permanent dst (versus permanent standard), it needs to go through the state legislature and something about the feds. | 20:01 |
| fungi | too bad they couldn't have just chosen to go with permanent pst | 20:02 |
| lifeless | yah | 20:04 |
| lifeless | puts me further out from silicon valley :( | 20:05 |
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| rbudden | i was beginning to think I had my weeks mixed up | 21:11 |
| janders | I think you're all good - just everyone got busy with other stuff | 21:12 |
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