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| gagehugo | #startmeeting security | 15:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 28 15:02:10 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gagehugo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: security)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 15:02 |
| gagehugo | ping fungi gagehugo lhinds nickthetait browne redrobot | 15:02 |
| fungi | aloha | 15:02 |
| nickthetait | hi | 15:02 |
| gagehugo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda agenda | 15:02 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 15:02 |
| nickthetait | I'm actually here this week :) | 15:02 |
| gagehugo | \o/ | 15:02 |
| gagehugo | give it another couple minutes and then we can get started | 15:03 |
| gagehugo | #topic help most needed for SIGS & WGs | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "help most needed for SIGS & WGs (Meeting topic: security)" | 15:05 | |
| gagehugo | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-March/004246.html | 15:05 |
| gagehugo | fungi: I took a look at the email | 15:05 |
| fungi | cool, just wanted to make sure it was on the radar | 15:06 |
| gagehugo | I'll attend that forum too | 15:07 |
| gagehugo | in Denver | 15:07 |
| gagehugo | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/denver-2019/summit-schedule/events/23612/help-most-needed-for-sigs-and-wgs | 15:07 |
| gagehugo | #topic security-analysis reviewers wanted | 15:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "security-analysis reviewers wanted (Meeting topic: security)" | 15:08 | |
| gagehugo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/security-analysis+is:open | 15:08 |
| gagehugo | the security-analysis repo hasn't seen much love | 15:08 |
| fungi | yeah, i was putting together a list of the various security-related efforts within the community, in part as a response to this: | 15:09 |
| fungi | #link https://www.eweek.com/search-engines/envoy-cncf-project-completes-security-audit-delivers-new-release | 15:09 |
| fungi | osf board members are asking about whether we should be doing something similar | 15:09 |
| fungi | and at the moment the closest thing we have is the security analysis effort, but we have more pending merge than we have published | 15:10 |
| gagehugo | :) | 15:10 |
| fungi | so wanted to make sure this was highlighted as a way people interested in improving the security posture of openstack can help make a huge difference | 15:10 |
| gagehugo | who has +2 powers for security-analysis? | 15:11 |
| gagehugo | is that the security-doc-core group? | 15:11 |
| fungi | looking | 15:12 |
| nickthetait | almost certain I don't | 15:12 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/security-doc-core | 15:13 |
| fungi | yep | 15:13 |
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| fungi | that could stand to be refreshed/updated | 15:13 |
| ricolin | o/ | 15:13 |
| fungi | i leave the decisions around that to the sig chairs | 15:13 |
| gagehugo | if we want to get things moving, then I'd say yes | 15:14 |
| gagehugo | ricolin o/ | 15:14 |
| fungi | sounds like a great idea | 15:14 |
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| nickthetait | is this the merge you were talking about fungi? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/648245/ | 15:14 |
| fungi | nickthetait: no, i meant we have many more security-analysis additions proposed for review than we've approved for publication | 15:15 |
| nickthetait | gotcha | 15:15 |
| fungi | #link https://docs.openstack.org/security-analysis/ | 15:16 |
| fungi | at the moment that's just barbican | 15:16 |
| fungi | and dated current as of newton (going on 2.5 years) | 15:16 |
| fungi | on a related note, i see that the security guide says it's current as of pike: | 15:17 |
| fungi | #link https://docs.openstack.org/security-guide/ | 15:17 |
| fungi | so 1.5 years behind | 15:17 |
| gagehugo | heh | 15:17 |
| nickthetait | :o | 15:17 |
| fungi | looks like there's been some occasional updating in it: | 15:18 |
| fungi | #link https://opendev.org/openstack/security-doc/commits/branch/master | 15:18 |
| fungi | though it could probably stand to get a bit of attention as well | 15:18 |
| gagehugo | Yeah | 15:18 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/security-doc+is:open | 15:18 |
| fungi | looks like there are a couple of new changes up for review today | 15:19 |
| fungi | but nothing really backlogged for review there | 15:19 |
| fungi | so i guess we're more in need of people going through and refreshing content than reviewing in that case | 15:19 |
| gagehugo | sure | 15:19 |
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| nickthetait | how can we identify the most urgent topics needing update? | 15:21 |
| gagehugo | good question | 15:23 |
| fungi | that's a great question and i don't have an answer. i think if someone familiar with the current state of openstack software were to skim the existing content and then either tweak stuff that needs tweaking or just update the list of releases for which it's applicable if everything looks accurate still, that would be a big improvement | 15:23 |
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| nickthetait | hmm okay | 15:23 |
| gagehugo | ok | 15:24 |
| gagehugo | uh oh spam | 15:25 |
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| fungi | yeah, just saw the wallops from freenode staff | 15:25 |
| gagehugo | fungi: what do you think the next steps then are? | 15:25 |
| gagehugo | look into refreshing what is there for now? | 15:26 |
| nickthetait | identify new security features that aren't even mentioned yet? | 15:26 |
| fungi | what i said above, yeah. for someone who has a deeper understanding of operating current versions of openstack to read through and confirm what we say in there is still correct | 15:26 |
| gagehugo | ok | 15:26 |
| fungi | adding new features would be swell too, absolutely, but i think more important is to make sure what's already in there isn't incorrect in light of whatever's changed in the past 1.5 years in openstack | 15:27 |
| gagehugo | fair point | 15:28 |
| fungi | basically folks landing at the security guide right now are likely to get the impression they should avoid any releases newer than pike | 15:28 |
| gagehugo | lol | 15:28 |
| nickthetait | sound good | 15:28 |
| gagehugo | new releases are scary sometimes | 15:28 |
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| gagehugo | ricolin o/ | 15:29 |
| gagehugo | wanna quickly talk about http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-March/004246.html ? | 15:29 |
| ricolin | :) | 15:29 |
| ricolin | So it's about what Security SIG needed the most | 15:30 |
| ricolin | in terms of technical or non-technical goal will be both fine | 15:31 |
| gagehugo | ok | 15:31 |
| ricolin | We have discussion in a forum about expose SIGs | 15:31 |
| ricolin | I mean last summit | 15:32 |
| gagehugo | https://www.openstack.org/summit/denver-2019/summit-schedule/events/23612/help-most-needed-for-sigs-and-wgs | 15:32 |
| gagehugo | I saw that ^ | 15:32 |
| ricolin | And this needed the most for SIGs/WGs is consider as an action from that forum | 15:32 |
| fungi | heh, today's meeting agenda is all about things we need help with, so that's excellent timnig | 15:32 |
| gagehugo | ^ | 15:32 |
| ricolin | fungi, yay! | 15:32 |
| gagehugo | ricolin https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 15:32 |
| nickthetait | :) | 15:33 |
| fungi | the meeting minutes/logs will probably be a more useful representation as we also verged into discussing the languishing state of the security guide | 15:33 |
| gagehugo | yeah | 15:33 |
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| ricolin | I assume we can list all, but needed the most list is also a way to encourage project teams to help if we tell them this is an important goal for Security SIG | 15:34 |
| gagehugo | ricolin we can scribe our notes into something for the security sig goals | 15:35 |
| fungi | that will be awesome | 15:35 |
| ricolin | gagehugo, that will be very helpful | 15:35 |
| gagehugo | :) | 15:35 |
| ricolin | If we can tell PTLs what is the most important security issues in OpenStack, maybe we can have chance to find more people join the Security goal discussion/action | 15:36 |
| gagehugo | that sounds good | 15:37 |
| ricolin | I mean that's part of the mission for that forum | 15:37 |
| fungi | they're unlikely to realize that the biggest security "issues" in openstack are documentation related | 15:37 |
| gagehugo | ricolin I currently plan on being there so I can attend that forum as well | 15:37 |
| gagehugo | fungi: we can put documentation first heh | 15:38 |
| gagehugo | maybe in big bold letters | 15:38 |
| fungi | this sort of takes us into the last topic i added to the agenda as well. i think the etherpad i've linked there may provide a good start for a list of things we would like help on | 15:38 |
| ricolin | gagehugo, that will be awesome | 15:38 |
| gagehugo | cool | 15:39 |
| gagehugo | fungi: sure | 15:39 |
| gagehugo | #topic security audit discussion | 15:39 |
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| fungi | so the leaders of osf open infrastructure projects including the openstack tc will be meeting with the osf board of directors on the sunday before the summit in denver | 15:40 |
| gagehugo | 3rd party openstack auditing huh? | 15:40 |
| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/denver-joint-leadership-meeting the pad to brainstorm topics of disucssion | 15:40 |
| fungi | yes, alan (current board chair) mentioned third-party software audits as a possible topic of discussion | 15:41 |
| fungi | i did my best to prep a briefing there as to what we currently do and strive for | 15:41 |
| gagehugo | quite a bit there | 15:42 |
| fungi | i'm looking for suggestions for things i may have missed, but also i think this makes a possible outline for what ricolin talked about | 15:42 |
| fungi | the existence of this sig is of course first on the list ;) | 15:43 |
| gagehugo | I know the best practices guide is slightly out of date | 15:43 |
| gagehugo | in some areas at least | 15:43 |
| * gagehugo sees PKI tokens in the identity section | 15:43 | |
| gagehugo | fungi: I can take a look over it, but imo it looks like you covered it pretty well | 15:44 |
| fungi | cool, i didn't want to chew up a bunch of meeting time on it, but in the interest of transparency i wanted to make sure everyone interested had an opportunity to be involved in what we might talk about | 15:45 |
| gagehugo | :) | 15:45 |
| * gagehugo has another meeting in a minute | 15:46 | |
| fungi | the third-party auditing bit is, in my opinion, cncf looking for ways to utilize its surplus cashflow. osf lacks similar financial resources | 15:46 |
| gagehugo | Anything else real quick? | 15:46 |
| fungi | nope, i'm tapped out. thanks for chairing! | 15:46 |
| gagehugo | fungi: that makes sense | 15:46 |
| gagehugo | external audit might be a good idea for official support | 15:47 |
| gagehugo | thanks for coming everyone! | 15:47 |
| nickthetait | nothing new from me | 15:47 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 15:47 |
| nickthetait | laters | 15:47 |
| gagehugo | have a good weekend | 15:47 |
| fungi | you too! | 15:47 |
| gagehugo | ping me in openstack-security if there's anything else | 15:47 |
| gagehugo | #endmeeting | 15:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 28 15:47:30 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2019/security.2019-03-28-15.02.html | 15:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2019/security.2019-03-28-15.02.txt | 15:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2019/security.2019-03-28-15.02.log.html | 15:47 |
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| efried_ | #startmeeting nova | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 28 21:02:16 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is efried_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:02 |
| takashin | o/ | 21:02 |
| efried_ | #chair efried | 21:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: efried efried_ | 21:03 |
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| edleafe | \o | 21:03 |
| efried_ | I managed to hang my real computer pretty hard | 21:03 |
| gmann | o/ | 21:03 |
| efried_ | so, apologies, this may be a little rough. | 21:04 |
| efried_ | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 21:04 |
| efried_ | #topic Release News #link Stein release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Stein_Release_Schedule #info Stein RC freeze is next Thursday, April 4th #link Stein RC potential changes tracking: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-stein-rc-potential | 21:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release News #link Stein release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Stein_Release_Schedule #info Stein RC freeze is next Thursday, April 4th #link Stein RC potential changes tracking: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-stein-rc-potential (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:05 | |
| efried_ | oh, that went poorly | 21:05 |
| efried_ | #topic Release News | 21:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release News (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:05 | |
| efried_ | #link Stein release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Stein_Release_Schedule | 21:05 |
| efried_ | #info Stein RC freeze is next Thursday, April 4th | 21:05 |
| efried_ | #link Stein RC potential changes tracking: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-stein-rc-potential | 21:05 |
| efried_ | I am not aware of any changes for which we are planning to spin RC2. Is anyone else? | 21:06 |
| efried_ | okay, so unless something horrible happens in the next week, we will just fly straight to real release | 21:07 |
| efried_ | #topic Bugs (stuck/critical) | 21:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (stuck/critical) (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:07 | |
| efried_ | #link No bugs marked critical https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.importance=Critical&field.status=New&field.status=Incomplete&field.status=Confirmed&field.status=Triaged&field.status=In+Progress | 21:08 |
| efried_ | #link 70 new untriaged bugs (up 6 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New | 21:08 |
| efried_ | #link 9 untagged untriaged bugs (up 3 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=-*&field.status%3Alist=NEW | 21:08 |
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| efried_ | Gate status | 21:09 |
| efried_ | #link check queue gate status http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html | 21:10 |
| efried_ | I've noticed a fair number of spurious failures across the big jobs over the past couple days, but haven't dug in. | 21:10 |
| efried_ | seems to have smoothed out in the past few hours. Lots of stuff has merged. | 21:11 |
| efried_ | Bug 1820337 from last week had fix merged and is gone | 21:12 |
| openstack | bug 1820337 in OpenStack Compute (nova) stein "test_bfv_quota_race_local_delete intermittently fails with testtools.matchers._impl.MismatchError: ['bfv'] != []" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1820337 - Assigned to Matt Riedemann (mriedem) | 21:12 |
| efried_ | 3rd party CI | 21:12 |
| efried_ | #link 3rd party CI status http://ciwatch.mmedvede.net/project?project=nova&time=7+days | 21:12 |
| efried_ | I had a TODO from last week to fup with the zVM folks. Got a response. They're active, aware, and working on it. | 21:12 |
| efried_ | things look a tad better there | 21:13 |
| efried_ | powervm is also working on their CI, has a handful of successes since last week :) | 21:13 |
| efried_ | it's an improvement, anyway. | 21:14 |
| efried_ | #topic Reminders | 21:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reminders (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:14 | |
| efried_ | anyone? | 21:14 |
| dtroyer | I want to add that we are preparing a ground-up rebuild of Intel 3rd party CI infrastructure, aound Zuul v3 and such. I don't have a timeline for starting to test it other than 'soon' | 21:14 |
| efried_ | \o/ | 21:14 |
| efried_ | Thanks dtroyer | 21:15 |
| efried_ | #topic Stable branch status | 21:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stable branch status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:15 | |
| efried_ | #link stable/stein: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(project:openstack/os-vif+OR+project:openstack/python-novaclient+OR+project:openstack/nova)+branch:stable/stein | 21:15 |
| efried_ | As noted, we're going to wait until stein is cut to start merging any of those ^ | 21:16 |
| efried_ | #link stable/rocky: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(project:openstack/os-vif+OR+project:openstack/python-novaclient+OR+project:openstack/nova)+branch:stable/rocky | 21:16 |
| efried_ | #link stable/queens: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(project:openstack/os-vif+OR+project:openstack/python-novaclient+OR+project:openstack/nova)+branch:stable/queens | 21:17 |
| efried_ | #link stable/pike: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(project:openstack/os-vif+OR+project:openstack/python-novaclient+OR+project:openstack/nova)+branch:stable/pike | 21:17 |
| efried_ | Anyone have anything to say about stable? | 21:17 |
| efried_ | #topic Sub/related team Highlights | 21:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Sub/related team Highlights (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:18 | |
| efried_ | We had our first official Placement team meeting last week | 21:18 |
| efried_ | I don't see cdent. Is anyone else prepped to summarize perchance? edleafe ? | 21:19 |
| edleafe | Nothing much. We mainly decided to hold much of our PTG discussions ahead of time in email | 21:19 |
| edleafe | due to overlaps with other teams | 21:19 |
| efried_ | slightly nova-related: If you have placement-side specs in the nova-specs repo under stein that weren't completed and you want to carry them forward into train, they should be proposed into the placement repo. | 21:20 |
| efried_ | there are (as of today) docs at... | 21:20 |
| efried_ | #link placement contributor guide - new features https://docs.openstack.org/placement/latest/contributor/contributing.html#new-features | 21:21 |
| efried_ | yah, that's probably about all that's nova-related from there. | 21:22 |
| efried_ | API - gmann? | 21:22 |
| gmann | Asking about API office hour continuation on ML | 21:22 |
| gmann | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-March/004336.html | 21:22 |
| gmann | if no more attendance for API meeting as separate then, i would abandon that and keeping the ML for API related updates | 21:23 |
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| efried | #topic Stuck Reviews | 21:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stuck Reviews (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:25 | |
| efried | anyone? | 21:25 |
| efried | I haven't seen anything looking stuck-ish. | 21:25 |
| efried | For the next few weeks we'll have a couple of guest topics: | 21:26 |
| efried | #topic Forum Planning | 21:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Forum Planning (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:26 | |
| efried | a list of nova-ish topics I grabbed from the schedule: | 21:26 |
| efried | #link Nova project update https://www.openstack.org/summit/denver-2019/summit-schedule/events/23632/nova-project-update | 21:26 |
| efried | #link Nova project onboarding https://www.openstack.org/summit/denver-2019/summit-schedule/events/23620/nova-project-onboarding | 21:26 |
| efried | #link Change ownership of resources, part deux https://www.openstack.org/summit/denver-2019/summit-schedule/events/23675/change-ownership-of-resources-followup | 21:26 |
| efried | #link Nova/Cyborg interaction https://www.openstack.org/summit/denver-2019/summit-schedule/events/23610/nova-cyborg-integration-updates-and-next-steps | 21:26 |
| efried | #link Placement extraction from Nova https://www.openstack.org/summit/denver-2019/summit-schedule/events/23664/update-on-placement-extraction-from-nova | 21:26 |
| efried | #link Migrating Nova APIs to Keystone scope types https://www.openstack.org/summit/denver-2019/summit-schedule/events/23712/migrating-nova-apis-to-keystone-scope-types | 21:26 |
| efried | if anyone knows of others, please add to the agenda or buzz me and I'll do so. | 21:27 |
| efried | and our next guest topic | 21:27 |
| efried | #topic PTG Planning | 21:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG Planning (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:27 | |
| efried | #link PTG: Nova etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-ptg-train | 21:28 |
| efried | ...from which you can find links to all the cross-project etherpads | 21:28 |
| gmann | I have added the API policy improvements items topic in PTG etherpad discussion, hope we can schedule the sessions to avoid conflict with my QA/TC related time | 21:28 |
| efried | we should not feel obligated to wait until the PTG to discuss things | 21:28 |
| efried | e.g. we were able to scrub a topic this morning based on discussions around using the nova repo for specs (TL;DR: not worth it) | 21:29 |
| efried | Anyone have forum or ptg subjects to bring up here? | 21:29 |
| efried | #topic Open discussion | 21:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:29 | |
| efried | Anyone? | 21:29 |
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| efried | okay, quiet meeting. See you all next week o/ | 21:30 |
| efried | #endmeeting | 21:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 28 21:30:18 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2019/nova.2019-03-28-21.02.html | 21:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2019/nova.2019-03-28-21.02.txt | 21:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2019/nova.2019-03-28-21.02.log.html | 21:30 |
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