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| samP | #startmeeting masakari | 04:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 2 04:01:17 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is samP. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 04:01 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'masakari' | 04:01 |
| samP | Hi all for masakari | 04:01 |
| samP | #topic Patches/bug need discussion | 04:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Patches/bug need discussion (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 04:02 | |
| samP | Any patches or bugs need to discuss here? | 04:02 |
| samP | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/648272/ | 04:03 |
| samP | Didn't submit a release for masakari-dashboard, since Kendall proposed a patch for this. | 04:04 |
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| samP | I put +1 for that. | 04:04 |
| samP | This will be the release for masakari-dashboard | 04:04 |
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| samP | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/masakari-monitors/+bug/1728527 | 04:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1728527 in masakari-monitors "hostmonitor can not monitor pacemaker_remote node via cibadmin query" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Liam Young (gnuoy) | 04:05 |
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| samP | this was previouly reported issue. | 04:06 |
| samP | Liam Youngyes | 04:06 |
| tpatil | Hi | 04:06 |
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| samP | tpatil: Hi | 04:06 |
| samP | currenlty discussing imported bugs and patches | 04:07 |
| samP | Please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/647756/, if you have time | 04:07 |
| tpatil | OK | 04:07 |
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| samP | This patch is relate to -> | 04:08 |
| samP | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/masakari-monitors/+bug/1728527 | 04:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1728527 in masakari-monitors "hostmonitor can not monitor pacemaker_remote node via cibadmin query" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Liam Young (gnuoy) | 04:08 |
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| samP | Any other bugs/patches need to discuss? | 04:09 |
| samP | #topic AOB | 04:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "AOB (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 04:10 | |
| samP | Let's plan the Train work items. | 04:11 |
| samP | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/masakari-train-workitems | 04:11 |
| samP | Please input any proposal for Train release | 04:12 |
| tpatil | Sure | 04:12 |
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| samP | New ideas, fetatus, anyting is wellcome. Just write them out. so we can discuss how to proceed. | 04:14 |
| samP | Any other items to share? | 04:14 |
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| samP | if not, we can conlude today's meeting. Please ues #openstack-masakari IRC @freenode or openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org ML for further discussion. | 04:16 |
| tpatil | samP: I will update work items in etherpad and we can discuss about them in the next week | 04:16 |
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| samP | ah, for Train work items, lets brainstorm for 2 weeks and on 4/16 do the discussion and planing | 04:18 |
| samP | tpatil: thanks | 04:18 |
| samP | I will share this info in ML also | 04:18 |
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| samP | Shall I end the meeting? any other items? | 04:19 |
| tpatil | samP: Nothing else to discuss from my end | 04:19 |
| samP | tpatil: thanks | 04:20 |
| samP | thank you all for your time | 04:20 |
| samP | #endmeeting | 04:20 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 2 04:20:17 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 04:20 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2019/masakari.2019-04-02-04.01.html | 04:20 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2019/masakari.2019-04-02-04.01.txt | 04:20 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2019/masakari.2019-04-02-04.01.log.html | 04:20 |
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| dkushwaha | #startmeeting tacker | 08:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 2 08:01:21 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dkushwaha. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 08:01 |
| dkushwaha | #topic Roll Call | 08:01 |
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| dkushwaha | who is here for Tacker weekly meeting? | 08:01 |
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| hyunsikyang | hi | 08:04 |
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| dkushwaha | hello hyunsikyang | 08:05 |
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| dkushwaha | ok lets start.. | 08:07 |
| dkushwaha | #topic Fenix plugin support | 08:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Fenix plugin support (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 08:07 | |
| dkushwaha | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/643242 | 08:08 |
| dkushwaha | hyunsikyang, have some queries on BPs | 08:08 |
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| hyunsikyang | Yes please. | 08:08 |
| hyunsikyang | Can I explain it first? | 08:09 |
| dkushwaha | hyunsikyang, is there any separate template for maintenance ?? | 08:09 |
| hyunsikyang | ah. yes, | 08:09 |
| dkushwaha | hyunsikyang, yes, go ahead | 08:09 |
| hyunsikyang | until now, we just added maintenance property in the template. | 08:10 |
| hyunsikyang | When user use this property, that VNF register AODH to get the event from fenix. | 08:10 |
| dkushwaha | i could not see it in sample template in spec | 08:11 |
| hyunsikyang | In the blueprint, you can see the template. | 08:11 |
| dkushwaha | hyunsikyang, oh, my mistake, just checked, yes it was there | 08:11 |
| hyunsikyang | It looks similar like general things. | 08:11 |
| hyunsikyang | Yes. | 08:12 |
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| dkushwaha | ten my comment on line#124 is also invalid | 08:13 |
| hyunsikyang | So, that VNF can receive the alaram from Fenix. So, when fenix want to start maintenace, tacker can help for Maintenance. | 08:13 |
| hyunsikyang | ok:) | 08:13 |
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| hyunsikyang | Now, we draw only one procedure, but we will seperate it, soon. | 08:15 |
| dkushwaha | i see | 08:15 |
| hyunsikyang | And VNF Stop is just one of the example. so Changing the path thing is more acceptable. | 08:15 |
| hyunsikyang | I will change some part:) | 08:16 |
| dkushwaha | my comment on line#128 is to explain activities on tacker side in details | 08:18 |
| dkushwaha | i mean, for example if we are talking about VNF stop(or anything else), what action will tacker perform in that, and how it will resume once maintenance done | 08:19 |
| hyunsikyang | Actually, Fenix have a workflow like flow i draw in the bp. | 08:20 |
| hyunsikyang | So, sometimes, it requires action to perform the maintenace such as down scaling.. | 08:21 |
| hyunsikyang | or up scaling or migrate. | 08:21 |
| hyunsikyang | migration. | 08:21 |
| hyunsikyang | Now tacker can't support all of actions. | 08:21 |
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| hyunsikyang | But, we can make a procedure and messing structure first. | 08:22 |
| hyunsikyang | And | 08:22 |
| hyunsikyang | when we think about the role of tacker for maintenance, | 08:23 |
| dkushwaha | yes, Regarding Fenix workflow, that one is complete flow from fenix to tacker, it will be good if we can also explain more about tacker side | 08:23 |
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| dkushwaha | hyunsikyang, agree, we can move step by step for other actions | 08:24 |
| hyunsikyang | Ah ok. | 08:24 |
| hyunsikyang | After update, please check it again. | 08:24 |
| dkushwaha | yea sure | 08:25 |
| dkushwaha | one more thing | 08:25 |
| dkushwaha | we also needs to mention about the VNF status. | 08:25 |
| hyunsikyang | Ah you mean that when VNF have a problem, is it going to tell to Fenix? | 08:26 |
| dkushwaha | Ex. once VNF goes in maintenance state, we needs to update that | 08:26 |
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| hyunsikyang | AH, | 08:26 |
| hyunsikyang | Ok. | 08:26 |
| dkushwaha | btw, very nice and clear workflow diagram | 08:27 |
| hyunsikyang | Yes In the fenix, when fenix upgrade node, it changed the status of node as a disable. | 08:27 |
| hyunsikyang | like this, we also think the way to present current status. | 08:28 |
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| dkushwaha | hyunsikyang, IMO, once fenix change status of node, same should be reflected in VNF status as well | 08:29 |
| hyunsikyang | Yes, I will think it again. because, now i am thinking to seperate procedure like infra maintenance and VNF maintenance/ | 08:30 |
| dkushwaha | ok | 08:31 |
| dkushwaha | hyunsikyang, I have further queries as of now | 08:31 |
| hyunsikyang | yes | 08:32 |
| dkushwaha | typo: no further queries as of now | 08:32 |
| hyunsikyang | ah | 08:32 |
| hyunsikyang | ok:) | 08:32 |
| dkushwaha | hyunsikyang, do you have something else to discuss? | 08:33 |
| dkushwaha | otherwise we can close this meeting | 08:33 |
| hyunsikyang | no | 08:33 |
| dkushwaha | ok | 08:33 |
| dkushwaha | Thanks hyunsik for joining this meeting :) | 08:34 |
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| dkushwaha | closing it now | 08:34 |
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| dkushwaha | #endmeeting | 08:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 2 08:35:04 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2019/tacker.2019-04-02-08.01.html | 08:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2019/tacker.2019-04-02-08.01.txt | 08:35 |
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| clarkb | Anyone here for the infra meeting? we will get started shortly | 18:59 |
| corvus | ayup | 18:59 |
| ianw | o/ | 19:00 |
| cmurphy | o/ | 19:00 |
| dtroyer | o/ | 19:00 |
| frickler | \o | 19:00 |
| clarkb | #startmeeting infra | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 2 19:01:11 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is clarkb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:01 |
| clarkb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2019-April/006299.html | 19:01 |
| jroll | \o | 19:01 |
| clarkb | #topic Announcements | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:01 | |
| clarkb | I don't have any announcements. Anyone else have announcements? | 19:01 |
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| clarkb | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:03 | |
| corvus | clarkb: i think you just made an announcement :) | 19:03 |
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| clarkb | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2019/infra.2019-03-26-19.01.txt minutes from last meeting | 19:03 |
| clarkb | Thank you ianw for running the meeting last week | 19:03 |
| clarkb | frickler: had an action to look into disk monitoring of nodepool builders | 19:03 |
| clarkb | frickler: ^ any update on that? | 19:03 |
| frickler | https://review.openstack.org/648365 | 19:04 |
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| corvus | #link http://cacti.openstack.org/cacti/graph.php?action=view&local_graph_id=66463&rra_id=all | 19:04 |
| frickler | that seems to be solved | 19:04 |
| frickler | should work for optional volumes on all of our servers | 19:05 |
| corvus | ++ thanks! | 19:05 |
| clarkb | cool | 19:05 |
| clarkb | and I know shrews has a change up to fix the underlying issue with the builders | 19:05 |
| clarkb | we should be well covered on that item going forward | 19:05 |
| frickler | the usage looked pretty stable in the graphs | 19:06 |
| Shrews | yep: https://review.openstack.org/647599 and parent | 19:06 |
| clarkb | thank you for everonye that has helped make that better | 19:08 |
| clarkb | #topic Priority Efforts | 19:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Priority Efforts (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:08 | |
| clarkb | I'm skipping specs approvals as I don't think we have any to look at and we have a fairly full meeting otherwise | 19:08 |
| clarkb | #topic Update Config Management | 19:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Update Config Management (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:08 | |
| clarkb | Before I took off on vacation I got a bunch more hosts upgraded to puppet-4 | 19:08 |
| clarkb | thank you to cmurphy for continuing to help and push on that | 19:08 |
| cmurphy | o7 | 19:09 |
| corvus | hear hear | 19:09 |
| clarkb | There are still more hosts to be updated under topic:puppet-4 if you have time to review those. I'm happy to approve as I can watch them and fix issues that arise | 19:09 |
| clarkb | Anything new on the docker side of things? | 19:11 |
| clarkb | Seems like we've got a pretty solid foundation for both and now its mostly a matter of pushing the conversions? Not surprising those are moving slowly as we also tackle opendev things | 19:11 |
| corvus | yeah, nothing new from me on that, and probably not until summit... | 19:11 |
| corvus | but i'm looking forward to working on that at ptg | 19:12 |
| clarkb | Considering ^ lets talk OpenDev | 19:12 |
| clarkb | #topic OpenDev | 19:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenDev (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:12 | |
| clarkb | How are we looking for the transition on the 19th | 19:13 |
| clarkb | are we down to building a script/tool/playbook to do the actual transition and collecting lists of renames? | 19:13 |
| corvus | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2004627 | 19:14 |
| corvus | fungi: how's the redirect stuff coming? | 19:14 |
| corvus | (though i haven't seen fungi in this meeting yet) | 19:15 |
| fungi | i started playing around with the hard-coded list of repositories idea for the non-openstack.org sites and it seems to work, i'll get something up others can test later today i hope | 19:15 |
| * fungi has been lurking and hacking on changes at the same time | 19:15 | |
| fungi | the rabbit hole on the script to do the repository changes is continuing to deepen though | 19:16 |
| fungi | another scenario came to mind which i don't know if we need to be concerned with | 19:16 |
| fungi | as we're also doing project renames, i expect rather a lot of namespace changes to embedded checkout file paths in zuul job definitions | 19:17 |
| fungi | should this task also grow to attempt altering more than just the domain name in those? | 19:17 |
| corvus | i'm inclined to say 'no' because the potential for error is high | 19:18 |
| fungi | and is there anywhere else we should be similarly concerned about namespace changes within repo content? | 19:18 |
| corvus | we can make sure that devstack, grenade, etc are fixed up quickly after the switch; that should solve a lot of problems | 19:19 |
| ianw | fungi: is that different to what we mentioned a few meetings ago, things like the requirements files checkouts? | 19:19 |
| clarkb | ya and the unittest type jobs should use the implicit $thisproject checkout | 19:20 |
| fungi | ianw: yes, insofar as it's the namespaces, not just the domains | 19:20 |
| corvus | but in general, trying to figure out if 'openstack/nova' is an active string constant reference or just some text is a lot of work | 19:20 |
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| fungi | so for example if a job defniition refers to git.openstack.org/openstack-infra/zuul-jobs the difference between rewriting that to opendev.org/openstack-infra/zuul-jobs vs opendev.org/zuul/zuul-jobs | 19:21 |
| fungi | the former will be broken and need replacing with the latter after the maintenance | 19:22 |
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| ianw | fungi: ahh, so you're meaning (as corvus above says) places where 'openstack/nova' is found, but without a leading "openstack.org"? | 19:22 |
| fungi | also possible yes, without the domain present at all | 19:22 |
| corvus | we could probably safely include 'git.openstack.org/openstack/foo' in the translation... | 19:22 |
| fungi | yes, however that means incorporating the list of namespace changes for all repositories into the routine if we do | 19:23 |
| fungi | which is why i raise it as a point of additional complexity | 19:23 |
| ianw | oh, i thought we were going to do that full rewrite in the jobs | 19:23 |
| corvus | we need that in order to write .gitreview anyway | 19:23 |
| corvus | so, yeah, i think regardless the script that generate our force-merge patches should perform the full rewrite (domain + org) | 19:24 |
| fungi | er, that wasn't what i was expecting, no. i thought this script was replacing review.openstack.org with review.opendev.org in .gitreview files and then the normal project renaming playbook was taking care of the namespace portion | 19:24 |
| fungi | since it would do that anyway | 19:25 |
| corvus | the normal project renaming playbook makes .gitreview changes? | 19:25 |
| fungi | oh, you're right, it doesn't. just moves files on disk and alters database rows | 19:25 |
| fungi | okay, i'll plan to include that too | 19:25 |
| corvus | kk | 19:25 |
| jroll | side question: for the openstack namespaces, do you folks want those changes in the ethercalc sheet, or would something computer-readable (and writeable!)be easier? | 19:26 |
| fungi | so if the hostname portion is present in a string in playbooks/roles we can assume we should also alter the namespace appearing within that string | 19:26 |
| clarkb | #info Rename script should modify .gitreview and zuul job content to update hostnames and repo names | 19:27 |
| clarkb | fungi: ya as the other hostname won't work (particularly in the case of gitreview and zuul jobs) | 19:27 |
| clarkb | jroll: I believe we can export the ethercalc to csv which should be simple enough to then convert to something more structured if necessary | 19:27 |
| fungi | jroll: the ethercalc is more for one-off/small groups of namespace changes. for large adjustments based on structured data it's probably easier to just let us know what you want done and we can generate that set ourselves | 19:27 |
| corvus | jroll: i yield to fungi on that since it's likely to be input to his script, but i see no reason to use the spreadsheet if you want to arrange something else | 19:27 |
| jroll | fungi: corvus: excellent, thanks :) | 19:28 |
| jroll | fungi: I'll sync with you once our governance change merges | 19:28 |
| corvus | and yeah, i expect we'll just export ethercalc to csv and translate/merge with the other data to input to the script | 19:28 |
| fungi | thanks. less likely to end up with typos if i script up the list of openstack->whatever-catch-all namespace edits based on the governance projects.yaml | 19:28 |
| jroll | yep | 19:29 |
| fungi | given it's probably something like 1k renames | 19:29 |
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| clarkb | Alright anything else on the opendev subject? | 19:31 |
| ianw | just for reference | 19:31 |
| ianw | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2019/infra.2019-03-26-19.01.log.html#l-81 | 19:31 |
| ianw | was the last meeting where we talked about that rename ^ too | 19:31 |
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| clarkb | #topic Storyboard | 19:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Storyboard (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:32 | |
| clarkb | fungi diablo_rojo_phon SotK how are storyboard things? | 19:32 |
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| fungi | trove just relocated to storyboard.o.o | 19:33 |
| fungi | (roughly two months after we stopped using trove for storyboard.o.o, the irony) | 19:33 |
| fungi | i've been sort of buried under other things for the past week so not really sure what else is going on... i think the outreachy flood may have died down now that the deadline has passed | 19:34 |
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| clarkb | Ok sounds like we should moev on | 19:36 |
| fungi | yup | 19:36 |
| clarkb | #topic General Topics | 19:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "General Topics (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:36 | |
| fungi | i think diablo_rojo_phon is sucked into conference travel anyway | 19:36 |
| clarkb | First up: PTG Planning | 19:36 |
| clarkb | #link https://www.openstack.org/ptg#tab_schedule Schedule has us Thursday and Friday | 19:37 |
| clarkb | It is my understanding that the scheduel above is the "final" scheduel and shows us thursday and friday | 19:37 |
| clarkb | corvus: that means you don't have an idle day and we avoid the TC conflict for fungi | 19:37 |
| clarkb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/2019-denver-ptg-infra-planning Agenda brainstorming | 19:37 |
| clarkb | As we start to really dig into the opendev stuff feel free to add items ^ there for things we should followup on after the transition | 19:38 |
| clarkb | next up is Letsencrypt progress | 19:39 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/636759/ Ready for review | 19:39 |
| clarkb | ianw says ^ is ready for review. That will end up being a big piece of transitioning further services over to opendev so reviews much appreciated | 19:40 |
| ianw | yes please, and a few minor changes below that | 19:40 |
| clarkb | Next is trusty server upgrade status | 19:41 |
| clarkb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/201808-infra-server-upgrades-and-cleanup | 19:41 |
| clarkb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lists.o.o-trusty-to-xenial lists.openstack.org in place upgrade notes | 19:41 |
| clarkb | I've been picking up the work to test an in place upgrade for lists.openstack.org | 19:41 |
| clarkb | The do-release-upgrade takes about 45 minutes which should be plenty quick for people doing smtp | 19:41 |
| clarkb | The new xenial server seems to not break our vhosting of mailman 2 | 19:42 |
| clarkb | I've created a test mailing list and sent mail through it successfully | 19:42 |
| clarkb | The one big issue we've found is nothing I try results in mailman preserving original body content and instead it gets base64 encoded because the default is to use utf8 and python email lib converts utf8 email to base64 | 19:43 |
| clarkb | This is only really an issue if considered in the context of dkim/dmarc | 19:43 |
| clarkb | because email won't verify if mailman is converting body content to base64 and the dmarc policy checks the body | 19:43 |
| corvus | it's also.. well.. weird | 19:44 |
| clarkb | I have confirmed that overriding /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py to force the en language to ascii instead of utf8 fixes this behavior | 19:44 |
| corvus | i mean, even aside from dmarc, it makes messages larger than necessary | 19:44 |
| corvus | whether that should be a blocker for us... <shrug>? | 19:45 |
| clarkb | ya I'm sort of running out of ideas at this point short of actually learning how the deep internals of mailman work | 19:46 |
| clarkb | we could force the list back to ascii which has downsides too | 19:46 |
| clarkb | other options could be to use mailman's new email munging features in the mailman on xenial to deal with dmarc though we've avoided those previously | 19:47 |
| clarkb | At this point I think it would be good if someone else looked at it without my direct help (just to make sure I've not missed anything with pebkac) | 19:48 |
| fungi | yeah, we at least got a glimpse of how those work in reality since kata-dev turned it on to deal with dmarc-signed messages (particularly from microsoft employees, if memory serves) | 19:48 |
| clarkb | and if we don't turn up any good fixes after a second person looks at it then we should probably consider alternatives to dmarc handling | 19:49 |
| clarkb | Let me know if you can help or have ideas | 19:49 |
| corvus | i think deciding on an answer about whether the b64 encoding is expected and normal and okay regardless of dmarc is something we should do | 19:49 |
| fungi | i think the method they enabled is the one which rewrites the from address on messages from domains which claim to require dkim enforcement, and wipes the dkim signatures from the headers | 19:50 |
| corvus | perhaps by spinning up a new MM instance (without any of our config mgmt) and examining its behavior | 19:50 |
| clarkb | corvus: the impression I got from mailman and python was that this is at least normal and expected from their side | 19:50 |
| fungi | but yes, i agree, the base64 reencoding is also a concern on its own, dkim aside | 19:50 |
| clarkb | note you'll need to use ubuntu for that as they patch in the default to utf8 | 19:51 |
| clarkb | so I guess mailman as an upstream still avoids this when lang is set to en | 19:51 |
| corvus | clarkb: well, i mean... we don't know what changed? | 19:51 |
| clarkb | corvus: correct I still haven't narrowed down why openstack-discuss for example doesn't do this | 19:52 |
| clarkb | spinning up an unmodified mailman seems like a good next step | 19:52 |
| clarkb | to confirm the behavior | 19:52 |
| fungi | i do have a mailman3 instance up and running which wasn't built with our configuration management, but it's not mailman2 obviously and also hackily upgraded to bionic rather than xenial, so likely not useful for this exercise | 19:52 |
| clarkb | fungi: maybe you can help with the mailman2 equivalent of that? I'm assuming it isn't as simple as apt-get install mailman on xenial? or maybe it is? | 19:53 |
| clarkb | (I can probably drive that, will just have lots of questions) | 19:53 |
| fungi | it basically is as simple as that, yes | 19:54 |
| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mm3poc | 19:54 |
| clarkb | cool I'l take a look at that after lunch then | 19:54 |
| fungi | that's mostly what i did for mailman 3 (used distro packages) | 19:54 |
| fungi | it's also basically what our puppet-mailman module does too, it just also happens to do a lot of configuring | 19:55 |
| clarkb | corvus: on figuring out what changed the two versions (ignoring ubuntu patches) are 2.1.16 on trusty and 2.1.20 on xenial | 19:55 |
| clarkb | I did bzr clone and diff between those versions which produces a fairly large diff but maybe I should do moer than a quick skim | 19:55 |
| clarkb | also do a review of the ubuntu pathcset I suppose | 19:55 |
| clarkb | likely to not be a fast process unless I happen to get lucky | 19:56 |
| clarkb | in any case that gives us two things to try | 19:56 |
| clarkb | #topic Open Discussion | 19:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:56 | |
| clarkb | Wanted to quickly note that the i18n team seems to think we don't need to take urgent action re zanata. Would be good if we could talk to fedora about their plans though | 19:57 |
| clarkb | anyone know current fedora people? (Maybe robyn can point us in the right direction) | 19:57 |
| ianw | i don't but i can see what ican find out | 19:57 |
| ianw | maybe give me an action item so i don't forget :) | 19:58 |
| clarkb | #action ianw check in with fedora on post zanata plans | 19:58 |
| fungi | it would be swell to find out if fedora plans to continue translating things, and if so, how | 19:59 |
| clarkb | And we are at time. Thank you everyone | 19:59 |
| fungi | thanks clarkb! | 19:59 |
| clarkb | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 19:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 2 19:59:43 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2019/infra.2019-04-02-19.01.html | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2019/infra.2019-04-02-19.01.txt | 19:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2019/infra.2019-04-02-19.01.log.html | 19:59 |
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| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-sig | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 2 21:00:01 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_sig' | 21:00 |
| oneswig | Hello o/ | 21:00 |
| rbudden | hello | 21:00 |
| oneswig | #link agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_SIG#IRC_Meeting_April_2nd_2019 | 21:00 |
| oneswig | Hey Bob! | 21:00 |
| oneswig | martial_: you there? | 21:01 |
| rbudden | how’s it going? | 21:01 |
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| oneswig | very good thanks. A little distracted - baking a cake currently | 21:01 |
| oneswig | How is GSFC? | 21:01 |
| martial_ | Hello Stig | 21:01 |
| oneswig | Hi martial_ | 21:01 |
| oneswig | #chair martial_ | 21:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: martial_ oneswig | 21:02 |
| janders | g'day! | 21:02 |
| oneswig | morning janders | 21:02 |
| rbudden | it’s going well, getting settled in a bit finally and hopefully lending Jonathan a hand | 21:02 |
| oneswig | bright and early as always! | 21:02 |
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| oneswig | rbudden: cool, I'm sure he's got some good projects for you to work on. | 21:02 |
| oneswig | #topic HPC Containers event at ISC | 21:03 |
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| rbudden | yeah, we’ve got a lot of things planned, so i’ll be fairly busy with openstack work | 21:03 |
| oneswig | martial_: tell us all about it | 21:03 |
| martial_ | so I am on the program committee for HPCW | 21:03 |
| oneswig | rbudden: nice work if you can get it :-) | 21:03 |
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| martial_ | #link https://easychair.org/cfp/hpcw2019 | 21:04 |
| martial_ | we invite people to submit nice articles of course :) | 21:04 |
| oneswig | martial_: what is HPCW and who's involved? | 21:04 |
| martial_ | Christian Kniep (some of you have met him at SC19 last year) | 21:04 |
| martial_ | (formerly at Docker) | 21:04 |
| martial_ | `5th High Performance Containers Workshop - In conjunction with ISC HIGH PERFORMANCE 2019` (Frankfurt, Germany) (June) | 21:05 |
| janders | I just emailed the link to my precision medicine gurus - they heavily use containers | 21:05 |
| janders | would make a great preso - if they can make it (I probably won't attend the ISC) | 21:05 |
| martial_ | Abstracts due Apr 20 | 21:05 |
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| martial_ | The CFP is at the link I just provided, which also gives you additional details | 21:06 |
| oneswig | martial_: is it part of ISC or kind of next to it? Wasn't sure what "in conjunction" means | 21:06 |
| martial_ | but basically it was the result of conversation between Nvidia/Docker and universities to do a HPC container track | 21:07 |
| martial_ | well it is a workshop part of the main conference | 21:07 |
| oneswig | cool, thanks | 21:07 |
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| janders | but different venue right? | 21:07 |
| martial_ | so "part of" ? :) | 21:07 |
| martial_ | janders: you know I do not know yet :) | 21:08 |
| martial_ | we are still heavily into the get ready to review papers phase | 21:08 |
| janders | (as in walking distance, but not in frankfurter messe - it's Marriott) | 21:08 |
| janders | I've attended something similar few years back, they did it the same way | 21:08 |
| oneswig | Were you there last year? What's it like? | 21:08 |
| martial_ | I was not at ISC last year, and was not part of HPCW then | 21:09 |
| oneswig | Ah OK. One of my colleagues (John) will be at ISC. I'll pass on the details to him. | 21:10 |
| oneswig | Good luck with the CFP martial_! | 21:10 |
| martial_ | so there is that, as always CFP is open so feel free to submit a paper | 21:10 |
| janders | I'll find out who's going from CSIRO and take things from there | 21:11 |
| janders | thank you for bringing this to my attention, I find this very relevant | 21:11 |
| martial_ | Also, Accepted ISC 2019 workshop papers will be published in the Springer’s Lecture Notes in Computer Science (LNCS) series. | 21:11 |
| janders | value add! | 21:11 |
| martial_ | that is it for now, more as we get closer :) | 21:12 |
| janders | on to OpenStack's gaps? | 21:12 |
| martial_ | #topic OpenStack's gaps: Help most needed for the Scientific SIG | 21:13 |
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| martial_ | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/denver-2019/summit-schedule/events/23612/help-most-needed-for-sigs-and-wgs | 21:13 |
| janders | very timely | 21:14 |
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| martial_ | welcome b1airo | 21:14 |
| b1airo | made it, i think | 21:14 |
| martial_ | #chair b1airo | 21:14 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b1airo martial_ oneswig | 21:14 |
| oneswig | Hi b1airo | 21:14 |
| b1airo | morning | 21:14 |
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| b1airo | slow flight sorry | 21:14 |
| oneswig | indeed, top of the morning! | 21:14 |
| b1airo | how are things? | 21:14 |
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| martial | we just jumped on the "OpenStack's gaps: Help most needed for the Scientific SIG" topic | 21:15 |
| janders | my 5 cents - we really need to get the SDN story straight | 21:15 |
| janders | there is a great deal of duplication of effort in the field | 21:15 |
| janders | and square wheel reinvention is alive and well | 21:15 |
| janders | each vendor seems to have own SDN platform | 21:16 |
| janders | Juniper Mellanox Cisco Cumulus X Y Z | 21:16 |
| oneswig | janders: tricky to standardise on somebody else's standard, I guess | 21:16 |
| janders | true, but I think ML2 proves it can be done | 21:16 |
| janders | most (not all) SDN-OpenStack solutions have 2 (or more) sources of truth problem | 21:16 |
| janders | and when these diverge, Bad Things (TM) happen | 21:17 |
| janders | SDN is critical to multi tenant baremetal | 21:17 |
| janders | and multi tenant baremetal is critical to OpenStack on HPC/scientific computing as far as I am concerned | 21:17 |
| martial | so yes making a list of topics :) | 21:18 |
| janders | I think we need to do something about this and the Summit and PTG should be a good opportunity to start that conversation | 21:18 |
| oneswig | janders: certainly resonates here | 21:18 |
| janders | what is to our advantage is - Telcos are OpenStack's cash cow | 21:18 |
| janders | and guess what | 21:18 |
| janders | it's exactly the same shit | 21:18 |
| janders | except at higher stakes | 21:18 |
| janders | so I think it's a solvable problem | 21:18 |
| janders | let's gather the pain points, make a prioritised list, find out who to talk to | 21:19 |
| janders | I am happy to use my high profile RH customer leverage to help make this happen | 21:19 |
| oneswig | Rico Lin's running the event. I don't know if there's an etherpad for gathering data | 21:19 |
| martial | should we start an etherpad for this? | 21:19 |
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| janders | yes! | 21:19 |
| janders | another pain point would be poor selection of storage choices for baremetal | 21:20 |
| janders | for VM-centric world, no ability to separate boot from ephemeral is not ideal | 21:20 |
| janders | (either of these nothing new) | 21:20 |
| janders | but the great SDN drama is by far no 1) painpoint to me - addressing this will make or break larger-scale OpenStack based supercomputers | 21:21 |
| oneswig | janders: absolutely, good point on the storage. | 21:21 |
| martial | Fresh Etherpad | 21:21 |
| b1airo | seems like a problem for edge deployments too, presumably they want cloud all the way down so they get same agility managing the underlying infrastructure as they do for their "customer" facing services | 21:21 |
| martial | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/scientific-sig-denver2019-gaps | 21:21 |
| oneswig | Are you aware of the baremetal program that Chris Hoge has been getting together? | 21:21 |
| oneswig | Nice, thanks martial | 21:21 |
| janders | yes - and I am hoping to participate in this | 21:22 |
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| janders | I think two years fast forward, Ironic will be the new Keystone | 21:23 |
| janders | nothing will happen without it | 21:23 |
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| ijw | If you want help on SDN problems and solutions, come shout | 21:24 |
| oneswig | Thanks ijw - any forum events lined up for that do you know? | 21:24 |
| janders | ijw: what would be the best place for discussions on this topic in Denver? | 21:24 |
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| ijw | Honestly, the usual answer to that is 'the corridors' | 21:24 |
| janders | also, should we have some discussions prior to Denver? What is the best audience and platform? | 21:25 |
| oneswig | janders: it's not that far off, what do you have in mind? | 21:25 |
| ijw | SDN is almost precisely not what Neutron does - it provides the API. If we can establish your actual needs we can work from there | 21:26 |
| ijw | Also, k8s and OpenStack take radically different approaches, so this isn't a one-size-fits-all discussion | 21:26 |
| janders | my concern is the fact that many SDN platforms sort of hold their own copy of neutron state. In certain circumstances, the two copies diverge and that's no good. | 21:27 |
| oneswig | be interesting to go into that in greater depth, in a corridor somewhere :-) | 21:27 |
| janders | I haven't seen any mechanism that would force re-sync from neutron to SDN in the SDN solutions that I know of | 21:27 |
| janders | and what completely kills it is the fact that SDN vendors go "it never breaks in my lab" and don't really pick this up | 21:28 |
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| martial | so far I see SDN in the Etherpad page, we ought to publicize it further | 21:28 |
| oneswig | janders: it's a problem that events and changes can come from both directions - reconfigurations from above, physical network changes from below | 21:28 |
| oneswig | brb... | 21:28 |
| janders | also taking a consistent end to end backup is non trivial | 21:28 |
| janders | all of this worries me in the context of operations on a say 2000 node HPC system powered by baremetal OpenStack | 21:29 |
| janders | it can be done today, but it is much more stressful than it needs to be | 21:29 |
| janders | and the very same issue will hit telcos | 21:29 |
| janders | so yeah I would be very keen to have an in-depth discussion on this in Denver, including at the PTG | 21:30 |
| janders | it is a common worry of most of the OpenStack power-users I know | 21:30 |
| ijw | janders: ultimately, multiple copies of state have to exist if you want SDN or anything distributed to work; the 'source of truth' argument is more a question of who wins when they get out of sync | 21:30 |
| martial | (brb) | 21:30 |
| ijw | And, I think more importantly, that they even notice that they're out of sync. | 21:31 |
| janders | ..and how to safely put them back in sync | 21:31 |
| janders | I couldn't agree more! | 21:31 |
| ijw | The model we built for networking-vpp has a model for this, which is basically that everything that isn't Neutron is (a) effectively a combination of cache and communications model and (b) loses every fight | 21:32 |
| ijw | It's an SDN solution, but it doesn't have a central controller; its job is just to get the various forwarders in the system to follow along with Neutron's desired | 21:33 |
| ijw | staet | 21:33 |
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| martial | (back) | 21:35 |
| oneswig | ijw: does that system require physical network knowledge or is it built upon an IP fabric? | 21:35 |
| janders | mine is all-InfiniBand | 21:35 |
| b1airo | Denver summit aside: can anyone remember the URL for the lightning talk etherpad...? | 21:36 |
| oneswig | I'll try digging... | 21:36 |
| janders | so the baremetal nodes do have much more awareness of the fabric than just the IP layer | 21:36 |
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| janders | okay I finished putting my points into the etherpad | 21:38 |
| janders | what other gaps do you guys see? | 21:38 |
| oneswig | would be lovely to get behind more common components for monitoring, frankly. | 21:39 |
| janders | agreed! | 21:41 |
| janders | (and what are best practices of monitoring containerised services? :) | 21:41 |
| janders | a nagios check doing "openstack-service status" would get one a long way historically | 21:42 |
| janders | now it looks like we'll be checking if containers are running smoothly and checking HAProxy stats? | 21:42 |
| oneswig | A lot of sites have Nagios in common | 21:42 |
| janders | in the old days Red Hat would have nagios bits in PackStack and that would get 80% deployment work done in 15mins | 21:43 |
| janders | it is what it is but it does the job and that sort of standardisation was nice | 21:43 |
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| oneswig | Kolla-Ansible is doing some good things to integrate Monasca or ELK + Prometheus | 21:45 |
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| oneswig | Some of the people in our team have been involved in both of those | 21:46 |
| janders | is that work focusing on the infra monitoring, workload monitoring or both? | 21:46 |
| oneswig | I'll add some thoughts to the Etherpad... | 21:47 |
| janders | great! | 21:47 |
| oneswig | Monasca is both, ELK+Prometheus is just for the control plane. | 21:47 |
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| janders | shall we move on to the lightning talks? | 21:50 |
| martial | #topic Denver Summit: SIG meeting and BoF | 21:51 |
| martial | b1airo: did you already share an etherpad for this one? | 21:51 |
| martial | Sharing a new Etherpad I guess :) | 21:52 |
| martial | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/scientific-sig-denver2019-bof_lt | 21:52 |
| martial | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/denver-2019/summit-schedule/events/23741/scientific-sig-bof-and-lightning-talks | 21:53 |
| martial | We are on Monday this summit | 21:53 |
| martial | we will run both the usual BoF and the lighting talks | 21:53 |
| b1airo | martial: i did already create one | 21:54 |
| martial | if you are interested in presenting during the ligthing talk session | 21:54 |
| b1airo | i'll dig through email/eavesdrop logs... want to get it included on the schedule page | 21:54 |
| janders | great idea! | 21:54 |
| martial | b1airo: I thought so, could not find it when I looked last week, I apologize | 21:54 |
| oneswig | b1airo: +1 to that, would be good to broaden submission as much as we can. | 21:55 |
| janders | I have a couple ideas based on current projects, I shall see if these will get to a presentable shape in the Denver timeframe | 21:55 |
| martial | so add your entry to the etherpad that will be shared in the summit session and disregard this one posted above :) | 21:56 |
| b1airo | here we are... | 21:56 |
| b1airo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/scientific-sig-denver19-bof | 21:56 |
| oneswig | good digging b1airo | 21:56 |
| oneswig | Everyone OK for me to source a modest prize from the usual channels? | 21:57 |
| janders | sure! :) | 21:57 |
| janders | also - shall we start thinking about a SIG dinner venue? | 21:57 |
| oneswig | That would be nice but I have zero local knowledge | 21:58 |
| janders | I've got a friend who's from Colorado and will likely come to the SIG dinner | 21:58 |
| janders | will ask him | 21:58 |
| rbudden | indeed, would be good to get everyone together for a meal and some beers :) | 21:58 |
| oneswig | barbecue? | 21:58 |
| janders | great craft beer scene there I hear | 21:58 |
| rbudden | yes, there is | 21:59 |
| janders | shall we look for something at the intersection of bbq and craft beers? :) | 21:59 |
| oneswig | such an unusual combination :-) | 21:59 |
| b1airo | could get adventurous and head to Boulder | 21:59 |
| martial | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/kCzoYA77/ | 21:59 |
| rbudden | good Ramen too if anyone else is a fan | 21:59 |
| ijw | oneswig: that one is both a L2 (VLAN) and L3 (GPE) underlay, but it doesn't really alter the approach. Happy to discuss this more at the summit or PTG, maybe over lunch or beer | 21:59 |
| b1airo | bit more than craft beer available there... | 21:59 |
| janders | my friend is from Boulder :) | 21:59 |
| janders | ok we're running out of time | 22:00 |
| janders | I will ask around and report back next week | 22:00 |
| janders | thanks guys! | 22:00 |
| b1airo | cheers! | 22:01 |
| oneswig | ah, thanks everyone, until next time | 22:01 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 2 22:01:13 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2019/scientific_sig.2019-04-02-21.00.html | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2019/scientific_sig.2019-04-02-21.00.txt | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2019/scientific_sig.2019-04-02-21.00.log.html | 22:01 |
| rbudden | cya! | 22:01 |
| janders | Denver-Boulder is around 50min one way BTW | 22:01 |
| martial | trying to schedule Avengers too in this trip :) | 22:01 |
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