Wednesday, 2019-04-24

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jungleboyj#startmeeting cinder16:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr 24 16:00:12 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jungleboyj. Information about MeetBot at
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jungleboyjcourtesy ping:  jungleboyj diablo_rojo, diablo_rojo_phon, rajinir tbarron xyang xyang1 e0ne gouthamr erlon tpsilva ganso patrickeast tommylikehu eharney geguileo smcginnis lhx_ lhx__ aspiers jgriffith moshele hwalsh felipemonteiro lpetrut lseki _alastor_ whoami-rajat yikun rosmaita enriquetaso hemna _hemna16:00
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_pewp_jungleboyj ( Β΄ β–½ ` )οΎ‰16:00
jungleboyjCome one, come all ... gather around the IRC hearth.16:02
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jungleboyjI will tell you stories of storage and summit planning.16:02
geguileohi! o/16:02
jungleboyjOk.  Guessing this is all we are getting for today.16:03
jungleboyj#topic announcements16:03
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jungleboyjHave quite a few today.16:03
jungleboyjFirst, we have the planning for the Train PTG.16:03
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jungleboyjAs you can see I have started organizing the topics into time slots.16:04
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jungleboyjI think that lunch is going to be roughtly 12:30 to 1:30.  We can adjust if that is incorrect.16:04
jungleboyjLunch is provided at the PTG.16:04
jungleboyjI have tried to put subject with whoami-rajat on Thursday morning.16:04
jungleboyjAlso am working around requests from the Glance team.16:05
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jungleboyjI will be finishing up the work in there today.  If you have concerns with the schedule please ping me on IRC or make a note in the etherpad.16:05
* e0ne will miss some part of Thursday and Friday discussions :(16:05
whoami-rajatjungleboyj: friday morning? and thanks!16:05
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jungleboyjwhoami-rajat:  Sorry, yes, Friday morning.  Is that ok?16:06
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whoami-rajatjungleboyj: yes, early is good for me.16:06
jungleboyjOk.  I guess I could try to flip that back to Thursday morning so it isn't on your Friday night.16:06
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jungleboyjwhoami-rajat:  Let me know your preference.16:07
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whoami-rajatjungleboyj: any morning is fine for me.16:07
jungleboyjOk.  I will leave things as is then.16:07
jungleboyjWe have our dinner plan:16:08
whoami-rajatjungleboyj: ++16:08
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jungleboyjA few people from Glance may join us.16:08
whoami-rajatjungleboyj: can we also assign the untyped vol discussion on thurs/friday morning?16:09
jungleboyjI will make reservations today for ~15 so that we have room if others sign up.16:09
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jungleboyjwhoami-rajat:  Oh, good point.  Yes.16:09
whoami-rajatif that isn't much trouble.16:09
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whoami-rajatjungleboyj: thanks.16:10
jungleboyjThanks for joining remotely.16:10
whoami-rajatjungleboyj: np :)16:10
jungleboyjI have created the Forum Etherpads:16:10
jungleboyjeharney:  If you can please put some notes as a starting point in the
jungleboyjThat would be appreciated.16:12
eharneyjungleboyj: yeah, i'm hoping to get a draft spec up with my thinking on that this week, but time is getting short16:12
jungleboyjIf everyone can help attend the User Feedback one to facilitate discussion it would be great.16:12
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jungleboyjeharney:  Ok, if you can't get a spec out there at least some notes for discussion in the etherpad would be appreciated.16:13
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jungleboyjeharney:  Thank you sir!16:14
jungleboyjAppreciate anyone who can, joining those sessions.16:15
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jungleboyjI have had a Cinder Onboarding session added as one other group backed out.16:15
jungleboyjTuesday, May 30, 2019 - The Colorado Convention Center - 406 10:50 to 11:3016:15
jungleboyjIf you can join me to answer questions, it would be great.16:15
jungleboyjFinally, Our project update:  Wednesday May 1, 2019 - The Colorado Convention Center - Meeting Room Level - 405  16:20 to 16:4016:16
jungleboyjCome throw tomatoes and heckle if you wish.16:16
jungleboyjOk.  So, that covers the announcements.16:17
jungleboyj#topic Cross Project Discussions:16:17
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jungleboyjWe have some time scheduled with Nova.16:18
jungleboyjI believe there is just one topic in there.16:18
jungleboyjYeah.  Is anyone aware of other topics we need to touch on?16:18
smcginnisWill be nice if we're down to just that.16:19
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  Indeed.16:19
jungleboyjWe have come a long way?16:19
jungleboyjLets rework the attachment flow again.16:19
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jungleboyj:-)  I am going to see if the Placement guys want to talk to us.16:20
jungleboyjOtherwise I guess we are good there.16:20
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jungleboyj#topic releases update16:21
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rosmaita(at least they haven't change the etherpad url yet!)\16:22
rosmaitaall the April stable releases are set except for cinderclient16:22
rosmaitai don't know if people have just been busy, or are having second thoughts about the backport strategy we discussed last week?16:22
rosmaitato recap, the situation is that although the functionality supporting some API changes is in Rocky, the code change so that the client knows it can deal with the appropriate microversions wasn't made, so the stable/rocky client will only use 3.52 or less, although it can handle up to 3.5516:22
rosmaitathe patch to bring the client up to 3.55 has merged in master, it is proposed for stable/stein as16:23
rosmaitathis would then need to be backported to stable/rocky, and then we will be ready to release from cinderclient from stable/rocky16:23
rosmaitai just want to make sure everyone is onboard with that strategy before i make a pest of myself requesting reviews16:23
rosmaita(pause for comments)16:23
jungleboyjI think we just need to get another core to look at it and agree.  I am fine on the strategy.16:24
smcginnisSpeaking of backports, we should probably also talk about folks being onboard with upgrade checker backports.16:24
jungleboyjDon't really have another option.16:24
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  ++16:24
rosmaitaok, as far as stable/stein goes, we've got 2 things that have both merged to master16:24
rosmaitathat one adds a tiny bit of functionality to support mv 3.56 (just prints the user_id in the backup-list response), and16:24
whoami-rajatsmcginnis:  is there any specific time before which we need to propose upgrade check?16:25
jungleboyjwhoami-rajat:  The sooner the better.16:25
rosmaitathat last one brings the supported mv to 3.58 (cinder stable/stein is at 3.59)16:25
smcginniswhoami-rajat: We missed the cutoff for stein, so we have upgrade checks for stein in master. Those should probably be backported. Any new ones should get proposed to master as soon as they can be.16:26
rosmaitai want to verify that we want to backport those to stable/stein before releasing an update of the stable/stein client?16:26
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whoami-rajatjungleboyj: smcginnis  ok, will propose the untyped volume one asap.16:26
jungleboyjwhoami-rajat:  Oh, that one will go with Train.  You don't need to hurry that.16:26
jungleboyjThat should be part of the untyped volume code you push up.  When you get there.16:27
whoami-rajatjungleboyj: oh okay. **feww**16:27
jungleboyjOk, lets get back to rosmaita questions.16:27
jungleboyjSo, I think we want to merge the cinderclient MV changes/fixes.16:28
rosmaitainto stable/stein ?16:28
jungleboyjAnd I think we want to backport them before doing a cinderclient release for stable/stein.16:28
jungleboyjrosmaita:  Yes.16:28
rosmaitaok, that's what i was looking for :)16:28
jungleboyjsmcginnis: eharney Any disagreement?16:28
eharneyi still wonder about what it means for anyone using get_highest_client_server_version16:29
eharneybut i kind of quit thinking about that after we talked about it before, so not sure..16:29
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jungleboyjrosmaita: I went and looked at all the other release proposals.16:30
rosmaitajungleboyj: ty16:30
rosmaitaeharney: are you thinking a backward compat issue?16:30
jungleboyjeharney:  I think it means they will get the right MV for Stein instead of the wrong one.16:30
eharneyrosmaita: yeah, i'm unclear on what we actually guarantee around that16:30
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rosmaitamy impression is that it's queryable so that users don't hard code an mv?16:31
jungleboyjrosmaita: ++16:32
jungleboyjOk.  Anything else on that?16:33
jungleboyj#topic periodic_interval config option16:33
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jungleboyjrosmaita:  You again.16:33
rosmaitai was following up on a suggestion i made on a review that we should enhance the help text for our periodic_interval config option, but looking more closely,i think we are using it in too many places, sometimes at cross-purposes16:33
rosmaitai put a bunch of details on the bug16:34
openstackLaunchpad bug 1823748 in Cinder "periodic_interval used in too many places" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Brian Rosmaita (brian-rosmaita)16:34
rosmaitaand put up a patch16:34
rosmaitathe reason i want to bring it up (besides being impatient), is that devstack has a CINDER_PERIODIC_INTERVAL setting that was introduced in havana16:34
rosmaitathe commit message said it was a workaround for a cinder bug, but when you look at the bug, it was fixed in a way that does not involve changing the periodic_interval16:34
rosmaitaso i think that this devstack thing is hanging around for no good reason and filed a bug16:34
e0nedo we really need 4 new config options?16:34
rosmaitae0ne: not sure, but they are doing 4 different things16:35
rosmaitathe devstack problem is that it shows up in a setup script that is used by *a lot* of projects16:35
jungleboyjHmmm, will need to look at that.16:36
eharneythey could default to $periodic_interval, perhaps16:36
rosmaitayeah, maybe i should stop there16:36
e0neeharney: +116:36
eharneywhich supports the old behavior for people who don't want to worry about setting them all16:36
rosmaitalet's get the cinder side sorted out first and then i will worry about devstack16:36
eharneybut i do think it's right to use more than just one option16:36
jungleboyjeharney:  That sounds reasonable.  Then we don't have to deprecate the old option as well.16:37
rosmaitawell, the old option would stick around16:37
smcginnisIn general, I think we've wanted to reduce the number of config options in Cinder. But if they do different things, then it makes sense for them to be different knobs.16:37
rosmaitait would only be used for its specific purpose16:37
jungleboyjMakes more tuning available if they are all different purposes.16:37
rosmaitasee what you think when you look at the bug, i have pointers to the code where they're used16:37
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e0nesmcginnis: that's exactly what I wanted to say16:37
jungleboyje0ne: ++16:38
smcginnisTyping not working so much for me today. :D16:38
jungleboyjIs that a train emoji?16:38
smcginnisπŸš† πŸš„ πŸš… πŸš‚ 🚞 πŸšƒ16:39
whoami-rajatseems like we can merge the backup config opts into one since they're not much different from default values or behavior.16:39
smcginnisπŸ›€οΈ  πŸš‰16:40
smcginnisOK, I'm done. :]16:40
* jungleboyj misses the dumpster fire16:40
rosmaitaok, i'll look forward to comments on the review16:40
jungleboyjrosmaita: ++16:40
jungleboyjThat is the end of the proposed agenda16:41
rosmaitathe devstack issue will be tricky because we might break the gate if that setting is actually making a difference16:41
rosmaitathat's all from me16:41
jungleboyj#topic Open Discussion16:41
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jungleboyjrosmaita:  Is the man of the hour.16:41
jungleboyjI have not heard any dissent on his core nomination so I am going to add him to the list.16:42
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smcginnisWoot! Welcome rosmaita16:42
jungleboyjTony also asked I make you stable core which I think is a great idea.  So, both of those will happen today.16:42
whoami-rajati would like some inputs on the patch . i still feel it's needed before/after cinderclient design discussion anyway.16:42
rosmaitathank you, i will do my best to not destabilize cinder!16:42
e0nerosmaita: welcome to the team and thanks for all your contributions!16:42
whoami-rajatrosmaita: congratulations and welcome!16:43
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jungleboyjrosmaita: It is well deserved.  Thank you for your help lately!16:43
e0nejungleboyj: +1 but only stable-core team can add rosmaita16:43
jungleboyje0ne:  Ah, that is right.16:43
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jungleboyjWow, that was fast.  :-)16:44
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smcginnisHelp when you know a guy. :D16:44
* e0ne wonders if smcginnis is not core reviewer somewhere16:45
smcginnise0ne: Haha! :)16:45
smcginnise0ne: Not in horizon. ;)16:45
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  Is always the guy I go to when I need to know a guy.16:45
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jungleboyjBrian is now on the core list.16:45
e0nesmcginnis: you just need few reviews... ;)16:45
jungleboyjAnd on Stable Maint:,members16:46
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  Thanks for doing that so quick.16:46
smcginnisClickety click16:46
jungleboyjSo, that is all good stuff.16:47
jungleboyjAnything else we need to discuss today?16:47
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whoami-rajat^^ if my patch was missed in the celebration16:48
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smcginniswhoami-rajat: Is that in the PTG discussion etherpad?16:48
jungleboyjWhat?  ;-)16:49
whoami-rajatsmcginnis: dont think so.16:49
smcginnisjungleboyj: whoami-rajat is actually trying to get some work done here. :)16:49
jungleboyjSo, eharney is still -2 there.  So, think that needs to be addressed.16:49
eharneyoh yeah this thing16:50
rosmaitai thought that was on the ptg agenda?16:50
whoami-rajatjungleboyj:  already discussed16:50
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jungleboyjeharney:  Are you removing your -2 based on this comments?16:51
eharneyaren't we going to figure out how this whole API should work at the PTG?16:52
whoami-rajatits related and conflicts with our PTG discussions but this can be modified easily, since a lot of code needs to be modified after that16:52
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whoami-rajateharney: yes. but it works correctly with the current flow. but i'm not sure so proposed in the meeting.16:54
whoami-rajatnot sure if we need to hold it*16:54
jungleboyjOk.  So, if it requires more discussion lets do so at the PTG.16:55
eharneyi don't think there really a concern about whether it worked correctly currently... it was more about how the whole user interaction of this is supposed to look16:55
rosmaitathat was my understanding too16:55
eharneyi think the current patch also does something a bit different from what the commit message describes, so i'm having trouble tracking where we are on this exactly16:56
jungleboyjOk.  So lets talk more next week.  Don't see a need to hurry this.16:57
whoami-rajateharney: oh yes, we moved it in the filter options then.16:57
whoami-rajatokay if everyone agrees to discuss the same at PTG16:57
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rosmaitaworks for me16:57
jungleboyjOk.  Anything else in the last 3 minutes.16:57
jungleboyjOh, just a note that we will not have a meeting next week due to the PTG.16:58
jungleboyjThen we can return to our regularly scheduled time the following week.16:58
jungleboyjOk.  Thank you everyone for attending and look forward to seeing many of you next week.16:59
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timburke#startmeeting swift21:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr 24 21:00:53 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is timburke. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'swift'21:00
timburkewho's here for the swift meeting?21:01
timburkenot too much on the agenda again21:02
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timburkei think most of the activities been over on the etherpad21:02
timburke#topic Denver PTG21:02
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timburkelooks like people have been filling out whether/when they'll be there and what they're interested in, which is great21:03
timburkeif you haven't already, please note the topics you're most interested in; i might try to rearrange the etherpad just before Denver so the topics that most people want to talk about are toward the top21:04
kota_I'll check it out more today as the prep21:04
timburke(just to make things easier to find. hopefully. or it'll throw everyone for a loop)21:04
timburkewould it be useful for me to try to organize these topics into slots? like, do the ordering i said and then try to get us moving through them one or two at a time?21:06
timburkeor should we just kinda sort it out when we get there? i feel like that's what we've done the last couple times...21:06
tdasilvatimburke: fwiw i like the idea of some sort of scheduling into slots21:06
kota_do we have 3 days for all? scheduling sounds good but it seems like we don't have to make them in parallel.21:07
claygplenty of time21:08
kota_9 topics so far21:08
tdasilvakota_: just realized kazuhiro might not be there :(21:08
timburkeyeah, three days. looks like a few people are flying out saturday, though, so that day may be a little short21:08
kota_timburke: kazuhiro will be there. he is planning to join PTG. only PTG tho, not attend to summit.21:09
timburke(well, short for them. i have no doubt we'll yet again be one of the last rooms to empty out :-)21:09
tdasilvakota_: great!21:09
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timburkelooks like there are some evening events planned for thursday and friday that might be fun (and i think they both include some amount of free food/drinks)21:10
kota_oh nice. is it for OpenStack-wide? or Swift specific?21:11
kota_i may be missing that.21:11
timburkegame night thursday, and a general mixer friday21:11
claygmix it up baby!21:11
timburkei know i got an email about it, but i don't know that there's a handy way to link to it...21:13
timburkewe'll surely find some opportunities to all go out to dinner/drinks ourselves, too. i've been looking at various restaurants, seems like a pretty good beer scene21:14
timburkeanyone have anything else for the PTG?21:14
timburke#topic updates - py321:15
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timburkethis might be a little quiet since neither mattoliverau nor zaitcev seem to be about, and i was on vacation for the last week...21:16
zaitcevWell, I did look at s3api21:16
timburkebut zaitcev's been doing a great job of doing some reviews, spotting some bugs, and pushing up new patches!21:17
timburkeoh, and porting DLO actually landed! it was still working its way through the gate last meeting21:18
timburkezaitcev, anything else i'm missing?21:18
zaitcevDidn't you start on object server?21:19
zaitcevMatt was finishing up with middleware, did tempurl21:19
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timburkeyeah, i took a stab at reconstructor... then started to work on ssync and i forget where i left that...21:20
timburkefwiw, our most-recent unit tests have 4574 of 6851 tests running under py321:21
zaitcevone run of tox will remind nicely :-)21:21
timburkei think that's about it for py321:21
timburke#topic updates - losf21:22
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timburkei haven't seen much on the feature branch lately, but i'm guessing that's largely due to summit prep and such21:22
kota_yup, and I was in vacation in the last week.21:23
rledisezyeah, on OVH side we were mostly busy doing ops work on LOSF. alecuyer is off today (already in denver, in the mountains ;))21:23
timburkeoh nice21:24
timburkeanything else to bring up for it?21:25
kota_no from me21:25
timburke#topic general discussion21:25
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timburkei've got two small items21:25
timburkeone is that it looks like we'll probably have as a community goal for train21:26
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timburkep 65354521:26
patchbot - governance - Add IPv6 support and testing goal for Train - 9 patch sets21:26
timburkei think patchbot needs to learn about opendev :-)21:26
timburkefortunately, our testing should already cover that, so i don't think there'll be much of any work involved21:27
kota_oh, is the gerrit host moved to opendev?21:27
timburkemaybe some small changes to our existing -ipv6 job to ensure it conforms to what TC is expecting21:27
timburkekota_, yep! happened at the end of last week i believe21:27
timburkethe other is: i've been chairing these meetings for a bit now... how am i doing?21:28
timburkedo i move along too fast or too slow? i'm guessing more the former if anything21:28
kota_agree > not so much of any work involved for IPV6 testing we have.21:28
timburkeso, yes, moving a little too fast :-)21:29
kota_just right pace I was thinking.21:29
timburkeis there anything you guys would like to see to make our meeting time more effective?21:30
tdasilvatimburke: you are doing great. thanks for keeping up with openstack topics that might be of interest to us21:30
timburke(and of course, feel free to reach out to me about it later, after having a chance to collect thoughts, etc. -- either in -swift or privately)21:30
kota_I could follow if you go a little bit faster but it's not so slow so far. Too fast might be hard to track.21:30
rlediseztimburke: i would say you're doing great in a time were things are slowing down. the meetings are not what they used to be but it's not related to you. there is no new swift topics coming up as it used to be.21:30
timburkekota_, that was exactly my worry -- i don't want to be going too fast and making it difficult to follow, especially for you and rledisez where english isn't your first language21:31
timburkesounds like i should just keep doing what i've been doing :-)21:32
timburkeanyone else have things to bring up?21:32
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timburkeall right. i think that's it then21:34
timburkei propose we cancel next week's meeting as we'll be at the PTG21:34
timburkebut otherwise, i'll let you all get on with your day21:34
timburkethank you all for coming, and thank you for working on swift!21:35
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kota_thank you timburke!21:35
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