Wednesday, 2019-05-08

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zhangchi#startmeeting tricircle01:00
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zhangchiMorning everyone, welcome back to tricircle meeting01:01
ziyugodd day bruce zhang :)01:01
zhangchihi ziyu01:01
Yipeihi, all01:02
ziyuyou would better tell other people in wechart we begin to meeting.01:02
ziyufrom today zhangchi will hold the meeting instead of me.haha!01:02
zhangchiok Message send01:03
zhangchi#info To Do list
zhangchiziyu how things going about your Finish the PR "ipv6_address_mode" not found in unit test01:05
ziyuI have done it.01:05
zhangchigood job is the patch submitted?01:06
ziyuhave merged.01:06
zhangchiweclome XSM_Hust01:07
zhangchiwhat about your Deploy containers in tricircle environment01:07
XSM_HUSTAfter my experiments and bug tracking01:07
XSM_HUSTI found that the reason for deploying the container in the tricircle environment failed was that zun and kuryr did not specify region_name when using neutron api.01:08
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XSM_HUSTThis is a configuration bug in the zun and kuryr projects01:10
XSM_HUSTHowerver,the multi_region scene needs to specify which region's neutron api to use.01:11
ziyuyou can try seed a email to zun in openstack maillist?01:12
ziyuor submit a bug report in the zun project?01:12
ziyuhow do you think? how about this? @zhangchi01:12
XSM_HUSTAfter I modified the neutron api calling code for the zun and kuryr projects, I was able to start the running container normally in the tricircle environment.01:13
zhangchigood job  Is the problem in multi_region scene still exists01:14
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Yipeisent requests to different neutron?01:16
XSM_HUSTIn other words, when creating a network or port in zun and kuryr, the region_name option is not specified, and the request will be sent to RegionOne by default.01:18
Yipeiis it can be configured to central region?01:19
Yipeithen send requests to central region be default01:20
XSM_HUSTMaybe possible. Also need specify region_name or endpoint option.01:21
XSM_HUSTThe main problem is that there are no configuration items for region_name or endpoint in the neutron configuration of zun and kuryr.01:23
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zhangchiagree with this  the region name may be set by keystone endpoint and your enviroment variable from Central pod01:24
zhangchior may be set by the neutron cli command01:26
XSM_HUSTopenstack --os-region-name RegionTwo appcontainer run --name container1 --net network=net2 cirros sudo nc -l -p 8001:29
XSM_HUSTcreate a container command like this.01:29
zhangchiregion name has already been contained in CLI command01:30
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XSM_HUSTBut in this request,port request can't be sent to RegionTwo.01:31
zhangchithen the request is still send to region one by default01:31
XSM_HUSTzun and kuryr use the RegionOne's neutron client.01:32
zhangchiok we will check the zun and kuryr mechanism for endpoint option01:34
XSM_HUSTyes, in zun and kuryr. port request didn't dispatch to diffrent region(neutronclient) according to real demand.01:34
Yipeii thins all the networking requests should be sent to central region, and then central neutron decide where to create the resource01:35
Yipeiand it seems that availability_zone can be specified01:36
XSM_HUSTyou can see "/kuryr/kuryr/lib/" line3801:36
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XSM_HUSTAlso "/zun/zun/commen/"01:36
Yipeiok, maybe require more investigation, we can discuss it offline01:39
zhangchiYipei is experienced01:40
zhangchiOk we wils continue the next topics01:42
Yipei@Hust_xwq, wanquan will take the l3 networking model over01:43
zhangchiso what about the remaining tasks about the l3 networking model01:47
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Yipeihe is not available today for some personal business, he is currently studying l3 networking.01:50
Yipeizhuangzhuang and I will help him01:51
zhangchiOk I got it Thanks Yipei01:51
Yipei you are welcome.01:52
zhangchiFrom my side the exception about tricircle unitest cannot loading the network_ranges model from neutron have been fixed01:55
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zhangchiThis is because some unit test make the fake client and is assigned to directory.get_plugin method01:57
zhangchiis xiaohan zhang and yaguagnchen on line now?01:58
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zhangchiok  their  irc enviroment have not already been configured02:01
zhangchiany other more topics02:01
zhangchiThanks for attending nice day02:02
zhangchi #endmeeting02:02
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zhangchiBye yipei and XSM_HUST02:03
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oneswig#startmeeting scientific-sig10:59
openstackMeeting started Wed May  8 10:59:27 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at
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oneswig#chair martial10:59
openstackCurrent chairs: martial oneswig10:59
oneswig#link Agenda for today
martialGood morning /day / evening11:00
oneswigHey martial, good to see you last week.11:00
oneswigAre you back at the DMC offices?11:00
martialAlways a pleasure11:00
martialBack in Virginia11:00
martial7am here so on daddy duties11:01
oneswigAh, of course.11:01
oneswigHow was the rest of the PTG for you?11:01
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martialWas good11:02
martialTalked to the starlingX people11:02
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martialAnd keystone11:02
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martialAnd had a chance to discuss HPC with Red Hat11:03
oneswigInteresting project, StarlingX.  Partly because the more they work, the less they diverge.11:03
oneswigWas that TripleO folks from RH or higher up the ecosystem?11:04
martialSo a very productive week11:04
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martialProduct manager11:04
martialSo directly at the open shift level11:05
martialThey want to help11:05
oneswigAh interesting.11:05
martialAnd are willing to commit time and money to add HPC specific features11:05
martialTo container runtimes and others11:05
oneswig"Step into my office", you say :-)11:05
martialSo seems like it could be very interesting for the community11:06
oneswigWill they send someone to HPCW?11:06
martialNeed to follow up on that11:06
martialTim had a chance to talk to them too11:06
martialSo he passed along a couple ideas11:07
oneswigHe has specific and exacting requirements11:07
martialAnd he intends to join the slack to discuss things with us11:07
martialOn my list to follow up basically11:07
oneswigI had thought CharlieCloud was aiming for OCI compliance but apparently not11:07
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oneswigA long list no doubt.11:08
oneswigI was really excited by the discussion on progress for boot-to-ramdisk, we'll definitely be testing that out.11:08
martialWe talked cri-o podman and buildah11:08
martial(Among other things)11:08
martial(And on that I need to make sure that the younglings eat a little bit, be back :))11:09
oneswigAh OK.11:09
oneswigBon appetite!11:09
oneswigAnyone else around today?11:09
oneswigI suggest we close early unless others are looking to join11:11
qwebirc1563Only us chickens11:12
oneswiger... hello :-)11:12
oneswigWho's that?11:12
qwebirc1563qwebirc1563 -  where does that come from? Anonymous login I suppose.   HPCJohn from CGG11:12
oneswigHi John, good to "see" you again.11:13
qwebirc1563How was the Denver summit11:13
oneswigVery successful, I thought.  The SIG was busy and our sessions were popular.11:14
qwebirc1563Great stuff. I dont have much to say. Just listening in11:14
oneswigI learned that diskless boot of Ironic nodes is working and ready for test.  Something I've been keen on for a while11:14
martialThe agenda has the links for the etherpads which in turn have the summary of the talks and the topics covered11:15
oneswigIn the SIG sessions we also decided collectively to write a paper on the case for hybrid cloud11:16
martialI will agree with stig that it was very successful from the scientific sig standpoint11:16
qwebirc1563I might try the diskless boot out.11:17
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oneswigqwebirc1563: I'm hoping to write up the experience at some point this summer.11:17
oneswigWill let you know if I actually get round to it...11:18
martialThere were some good hands on during the summit too11:18
martialI did StarlingX and Kayobe11:18
martialVery impressed by both11:18
oneswigThanks for taking part martial, it was a fun session :-)11:18
martialOnly glitch is that the videos are slow to come out11:19
qwebirc1563What is StarlingX   - I guess Google might tell me, but first item was about birds11:19
oneswigmartial: do you see a govt use case for StarlingX?  Possible I guess.11:19
oneswigIn a nutshell, Telco / edge computing variant of OpenStack11:20
martialI am trying to get one of the team to discuss edge analytics for public safety11:20
martial(Think firefighter/first responders)11:20
martialMade a couple connections this way11:21
martialWait and see11:21
oneswigIt was good to see a lot of new faces in the SIG and around the related sessions11:21
oneswigThis summit was on the small side.  Apparently the next one in Shanghai may be vast - the Chinese OpenStack day gets 3000+ attendees11:23
martialWow we are going to be busy11:23
martialPlanning to come11:23
martialAnd to start our BoF for SC1911:23
oneswigIt's going to be a most interesting exercise.11:23
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oneswigmartial: sounds good.11:24
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oneswigI should be there this year.11:24
martialRgr will have you in the roster ;)11:25
oneswigI first read that as "roaster"...11:25
martialI am finishing a BoF for PEARC19 and will look into SC11:25
oneswigI have an action to mail about funding the white paper, will do that now.11:26
oneswigqwebirc1563: one thing that might interest you - martial created a Slack channel for SIG chat11:28
martial(From my phone now)11:28
qwebirc1563Thankyou - I will look into that!11:28
oneswigsign up link
oneswigAlready some interesting discussion going on there, mostly of a fishwivey flavour11:29
oneswigOK, without quorum shall we close the meeting?11:30
martialWell we are three ;)11:30
martialSo I second it11:30
oneswigThat's the majority we need - any other business from you qwebirc1563?11:31
martialAnd hello priteau missed you at the summit11:31
priteauHi martial. I couldn't make it this time!11:31
oneswigAh, hi priteau :-)11:32
qwebirc1563Nope! Signing out, thankyou11:33
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oneswigOK guys, let's do school runs, lunches, etc.11:33
oneswigThanks all11:33
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timburke#startmeeting swift21:02
openstackMeeting started Wed May  8 21:02:03 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is timburke. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:02
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)"21:02
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'swift'21:02
timburkewho's here for the swift meeting?21:02
timburkei know thiago is going to miss it...21:03
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timburkewell, thanks for being here kota_ :-)21:04
kota_since we have the ptg until the last Saturday, everyone seems tiered, maybe?21:04
timburkeas much as anything, i wanted this just to write down some summaries from the PTG, so i think i'll go ahead and do that21:05
timburkeyeah, i'm guessing most people are still recovering, which is totally fine21:05
timburke#topic PTG recap21:05
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timburkei feel like we did a pretty good job getting through the topics from the etherpad21:06
timburkeroughly in order of interest we had:21:06
timburke#topic swift containerization21:06
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timburkewe have a Dockerfile in tree now!21:08
timburketdasliva and cschwede have done a great job driving that work21:08
kota_i saw that landed! yey!21:08
timburkeand i think having a dev test target that's easy to spin up is going to be great for us as a community21:08
timburke#topic py3 support21:08
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timburkewe've been making great progress! i've got a (fairly aggressive) plan to get all unit and func tests passing by the end of the month21:09
timburkewe'll see how well i stick to it ;-)21:09
timburkethe goal is to tag a release with experimental support early so we have a long period for further testing and validation before we have to tag a release for train21:10
claygsorry i'm late21:10
timburkeno worries! i was too :P21:10
kota_clayg: hello!21:11
zaitcevWhat I'm seeing right now is so absurd that I suspect jobs were marked non-voting by mistake.21:11
timburkemostly i'm just trying to summarize ptg outcomes21:11
claygkota_: 🤗21:11
zaitcevI mean, in the gate, and in the tree.21:11
timburkezaitcev, how do you mean?21:11
zaitcevactually, never mind.21:13
zaitcevApparently proxy/ was not yet converted.21:14
timburkenope. working on it! i swear, worked on my machine ;-)21:14
patchbotpatch 657700 - swift - py3: finish porting proxy/ - 2 patch sets21:14
timburkesorry, i did break that one up over several patches, just to try to isolate the rote '...' -> b'...' style changes from things that i actually needed to think about21:15
mattoliverauo/ (sorry jetlagged and didn't realise the time)21:16
timburke#topic losf21:16
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timburkelooks like momentum's building on the feature branch!21:16
timburkekota_'s been working on getting a func test job that uses the new backend21:17
timburkeand clayg's been working on making vagrant-swift-all-in-one know how to use it, too21:17
claygi also added some venv thing for py3 development that might be useful21:18
timburkethere's still a good bit of work (such as writing unit tests, and integrating the golang unit tests into our gate), but it's great to see so much activity21:18
claygand I started playing with re-using the ansible jobs that run ceph in the gate to do more s3api testing on vsaio21:18
claygyay 👍 losf!!!21:19
timburke#topic async delete patch21:19
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patchbotpatch 648263 - swift - WIP: s3api: Make multi-deletes async - 5 patch sets21:19
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timburkethe consensus seemed to be that there were some interesting primitives introduced that might be generally useful, but the patch as it stands now isn't really something we want, particularly since it's only of use via the s3api21:20
timburkei'm planning on seeing about breaking it up, maybe introducing an operator tool that utilizes the expirer-delete mechanism to mark an entire container for deletion, say21:21
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timburkewith an eye toward eventually making it client-facing, complete with 410 behavior a la account reaping21:22
timburke#topic general task queue21:22
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timburkethere's been some progress (namely, you can now configure the expirer in object-server.conf)21:23
timburkebut m_kazuhiro is going to be moving on from swift development, so rledisez will be picking up the work21:23
patchbotpatch 517389 - swift - Add object-expirer new mode to execute tasks from ... - 46 patch sets21:24
timburkewow... 46 patchsets... yeah.21:24
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timburke#topic auto-sharding21:25
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mattoliverauYeah, and maybe a few more before it lands21:25
timburkemattoliverau had some good ideas about how we could decide on a leader based on replica number and ring version, which seems promising21:25
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timburke#topic s3 testing21:26
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timburke(i was going to say versioning, but i don't know that we really needed to talk much about the versioning api)21:27
timburkeclayg had the idea to have a test suite that we could point at either AWS (to ensure that our tests capture correct behavior) or Swift (to ensure that s3api implements the correct behavior)21:28
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claygAnd timburke wrote it21:28
timburkeand timur is taking on trying to transition our s3api func tests to using boto3 instead of boto, which'll be great21:29
timburkethere's still an open question of how much we want to test truely bimodal access, where you put data via S3 and read it via Swift or vice-versa21:29
timburkebut we don't currently have any tests like those, so... *shrug*21:29
timburke#topic tempurl, SLOs, DLOs, symlinks, and security concerns21:30
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timburkewe *think* there are more restrictions currently in place than are strictly necessary from a security standpoint21:31
timburkemattoliverau to investigate21:31
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timburkebut it has implications for21:31
patchbotpatch 333331 - swift - Preserve query params in tempurl - 4 patch sets21:31
mattoliverauIve started playing with some of this in func tests. Hope to have a start to something up soon21:31
timburkeyay! i'll keep it on the agenda for next week. thanks mattoliverau!21:32
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timburke#topic bucket policies21:32
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timburkeand other aws-style lifecycle stuffty-stuffs21:33
timburke...there wasn't really much of an outcome. we kinda know that we want to do this, but no one's quite sure what it should look like21:34
timburkemaybe we could do something with some pluggability in s3api so something like 1space could hook into it and get the auth for free? still feels kinda weird21:35
timburke#topic PUT+POST21:35
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timburkewe still want to get back to standard HTTP21:35
timburkelikely with a goal of getting eventlet out of the object server21:36
patchbotpatch 582298 - swift - PUT+POST: Detect older object server by not sendin... - 2 patch sets21:36
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timburkewe have some idea of being able to link the file into place in the per-disk tmp while still using O_TMPFILE to ensure that we have it in the right xfs AG... we'll see how it goes21:37
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timburke#topic migration to storyboard21:37
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timburkewe're gonna try it out! see what it's like in the sandbox, anyway21:38
timburkethanks mattoliverau for being a liason there21:38
mattoliverauI've asked diablo_rojo_phon to do a test migration to the sandbox. Will let you know when it's done21:38
mattoliverauSo y'all can have a play.21:38
mattoliverauProbably won't be until next week tho21:38
timburkegreat, thanks again!21:38
timburke...and i think that's about it21:39
timburke#topic updates21:39
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timburkei know we just got back from the ptg so there probably hasn't been too much other than what's already been covered...21:39
timburkebut does anyone have anything in particular they'd like to share about ongoing bodies of work?21:39
diablo_rojo_phonIt's on my to-do list for next week21:39
timburkethank you diablo_rojo_phon!21:40
mattoliveraudiablo_rojo_phon: ta21:40
diablo_rojo_phonNo problem :)21:40
timburkeso we'll check in on things again next week, when we've actually had time to code ;-)21:41
timburke#topic open discussion21:41
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timburkethere are a handful of mailing list threads that may be of some interest21:42
timburkeis just about a requests version bump on stable branches. i don't think it'll really impact us, but i'll try to get some DNM patches up to verify that things seem sane21:42
timburkejust something to be aware of21:42
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timburkeis about same-company approvals -- i know i sometimes worry about gathering consensus around some swift patches, but it's getting harder and harder as our community is shrinking21:44
kota_requests, i saw some dependencies around losf...21:44
timburkeas i recall, we also use it directly in s3token21:44
kota_but probably fine to use the newer ones.21:44
timburkeand indirectly via keystonemiddleware21:45
mattoliverauYeah, it's a good rule of thumb, but to be honest I trust all our cores, no matter where you work :)21:45
timburkeand of course, there's pyhton-swiftclient21:45
kota_and also python-swiftclient, i think21:45
kota_timburke: :D21:45
mattoliverauAnd until it does become an issue I feel we don't need to worry about it too much21:45
mattoliverauEsp if we're doing the 1 +2 thing21:45
timburkemattoliverau, yeah, that's the other half of it -- i don't really worry about anyone here ramming something in that isn't ready or shouldn't belong in swift21:45
timburkei feel like i know you all well enough to say that you all have a very solid grasp of what makes sense for the project and the community and what doesn't21:46
timburkeagain, just something to be aware of as a conversation happening in the larger openstack community21:47
timburkeand finally21:47
timburke...which sounds like a great plan. i've already responded21:47
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timburkethe tl;dr is, we're probably going to start running tempest tests again, but they should be better/faster/less flakey than they were21:48
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timburkesorry, that was a lot of stuff for me to write; does anyone else have anything they'd like to bring up?21:49
mattoliverauNope, great write-up timburke, nice coverage of the ptg21:50
timburkedoes anyone have anything else they'd like to add/correct with regard to the ptg summaries?21:50
kota_great summaries21:51
timburkeall right, i'm going to call it! thank you all for coming today, and thank you for working on swift!21:51
timburkeand of course, thank you all for coming last week! it was great to see you all21:51
timburkeand finally, thank you for letting me get all of those outcomes/summaries down somewhere that i can reference again later ;-)21:52
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openstackMeeting ended Wed May  8 21:52:37 2019 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at . (v 0.1.4)21:52
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mattoliverauThanks timburke :)21:52
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