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| zhangchi | #start-meeting tricircle | 01:00 |
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| zhangchi | #startmeeting tricircle | 01:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 22 01:05:37 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zhangchi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 01:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 01:05 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 01:05 |
| zhangchi | Good morning everyone | 01:06 |
| Yipei | hi | 01:06 |
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| zhangchi | Morning Yipei | 01:06 |
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| XSM_HUST | Morning! | 01:07 |
| zhangchi | Morning XSM_HUST | 01:08 |
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| hust_xwq | Good morning! | 01:08 |
| zhangchi | How things going on? what about the api can not disapatch to correct region | 01:09 |
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| zhangchi | in container enviroment #info XSM_HUST | 01:12 |
| XSM_HUST | the zun container management just like nova vm management.I find that the nova has specified the region_name when called neutronclient api rather than zun hasn't. | 01:13 |
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| zhangchi | so the availability_zone parameters in zun rest api not work? | 01:18 |
| XSM_HUST | yes | 01:18 |
| zhangchi | In physical enviroment, wo need to create mapping between az and region | 01:21 |
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| zhangchi | s/wo/we | 01:21 |
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| zhangchi | Do you make the mapping firstly like this #command openstack multiregion networking pod create --region-name RegionOne --availability-zone az1 | 01:24 |
| zhangchi | #info hust_xwq what about your l3 networkmodel | 01:25 |
| XSM_HUST | yes,I have mapped. But it doesn't work. | 01:27 |
| zhangchi | oh I think we'd better check the detail log | 01:28 |
| hust_xwq | I am still studying how it work | 01:29 |
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| zhangchi | ok | 01:31 |
| zhangchi | may this develop document help you https://docs.openstack.org/tricircle/latest/devspecs/devspecs-guide.html#recommended-layer-3-networking-mode | 01:31 |
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| hust_xwq | I get it.Thanks for your recommandation | 01:35 |
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| zhangchi | I have submit the patch about Make tricircle function test work with python3 | 01:38 |
| zhangchi | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/660285/ | 01:38 |
| zhangchi | I have add yipei as reviewer.maybe can help me to improve the bp about py3 funtional test job together | 01:40 |
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| Yipei | i am not very familiar with the functional test jobs, but i will do some investigation and try my best | 01:43 |
| zhangchi | ok Thank you Yipei | 01:44 |
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| Yipei | you are welcome | 01:45 |
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| zhangchi | our to do list mainly shows here #https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tricircle-train-plan | 01:49 |
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| zhangchi | hi yaguang | 01:51 |
| zhangchi | cyg | 01:51 |
| zhangchi | what about your Make Tricircle work with zuul v3 | 01:51 |
| cyg | I think it has been done by someone | 01:53 |
| cyg | The .zuul.yaml file is the v3 style | 01:54 |
| cyg | I don't know what else needs to be modified | 01:55 |
| zhangchi | https://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/zuulv3.html# | 01:57 |
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| zhangchi | ziyu is handling on-site faults now | 01:59 |
| zhangchi | any other topics | 02:00 |
| Yipei | no | 02:02 |
| zhangchi | Ok Thank you Yipei XSM Hust_xwq cyg | 02:03 |
| zhangchi | If not we will end meeting now | 02:03 |
| zhangchi | bye | 02:03 |
| cyg | bye | 02:04 |
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| zhangchi | #endmeeting | 02:05 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 22 02:05:27 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 02:05 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2019/tricircle.2019-05-22-01.05.html | 02:05 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2019/tricircle.2019-05-22-01.05.txt | 02:05 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2019/tricircle.2019-05-22-01.05.log.html | 02:05 |
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| martial_ | Welcome Stig | 10:58 |
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| oneswig | morning martial_, up bright and early | 10:58 |
| martial_ | FYI will have intermittent cell access, am in the metro for the ORCA meeting | 10:59 |
| oneswig | Aha, ok, bon voyage :-) | 10:59 |
| martial_ | And top of the hour :) | 11:00 |
| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-sig | 11:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 22 11:00:29 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 11:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 11:00 |
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| oneswig | up up and away | 11:00 |
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| oneswig | #link Agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_SIG#IRC_Meeting_May_22nd_2019 | 11:00 |
| oneswig | Hi all | 11:01 |
| martial_ | Good morning ;) | 11:01 |
| janders | hi All! | 11:01 |
| oneswig | Let's get started ... | 11:01 |
| janders | SDN time! | 11:02 |
| oneswig | #topic coherent management of SDN fabrics | 11:02 |
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| oneswig | janders: what's been going wrong? | 11:02 |
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| janders | as discussed in the Scientific SIG at the PTG, I took the challenge of SDN consistency issues to the Neutron folks | 11:02 |
| janders | so - to recap - what is the challenge in the first place? | 11:03 |
| janders | I will use SuperCloud's Mellanox SDN as an example (but I believe this challenge is platform agnostic) | 11:03 |
| janders | in my deployment we occasionally hit a scenario where for whatever reason (packet drops, system overload, ...) Neutron requests a change on the SDN | 11:04 |
| janders | but that change never completes, despite Neutron thinking it has completed | 11:05 |
| oneswig | First question - if this is a request via TCP, how can packet drops be a factor? | 11:05 |
| janders | there are several layers of APIs on the SDN side so this might happen between them | 11:05 |
| janders | good question oneswig, unfortunately I don't have the answer | 11:06 |
| oneswig | OK, carry on... | 11:06 |
| janders | I'd think NEO<>UFM traffic is TCP as well so this should not be happening - but it does | 11:06 |
| janders | it's rare but when it happens it's a massive PITA to reconcile all the sources of truth | 11:06 |
| janders | so basically we're looking at a scenario where Neutron requests something from the SDN, SDN returns 200 OK but for some reason things aren't right | 11:07 |
| janders | (or another one where things were right but for some reason stopped being right) | 11:07 |
| janders | I believe in stock-standard Neutron/OVS, the L2 agent is polling the port status and if it finds any mismatches it will rectify those | 11:08 |
| martial_ | That sounds like it could be frustrating indeed | 11:08 |
| janders | this is missing from nearly all SDN solutions that I know of - either API or ansible driven | 11:08 |
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| janders | Neutron configures ports once - and when it gets a 200 it never verifies the config again (let alone fixing anything) | 11:09 |
| oneswig | The 200 OK response when a change has not been applied might be a specific issue with this driver. | 11:09 |
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| janders | this is not cool so as we discussed I've spoken to Miguel about this at the PTG. He was supportive and promised to have a look at this with the team - and asked me to open the bug: | 11:09 |
| janders | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1829449 | 11:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1829449 in neutron "Implement consistency check and self-healing for SDN-managed fabrics" [Undecided,New] | 11:10 |
| oneswig | good bug, great read. | 11:10 |
| janders | the Neutron guys pointed me to this blueprint: | 11:10 |
| janders | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/565463/12/specs/stein/sbi-database-consistency.rst | 11:10 |
| janders | it's interesting - it seems people have been looking at similar issues for a while | 11:10 |
| oneswig | This spec covers similar areas and I'm aware that the mlnx SDN driver needed better concurrency handling on the southbound API to it. | 11:11 |
| janders | oneswig: I agree there is room for improvement on the Mellanox SDN side, but even if the SDN stops returning 200 OK before the fabric is configured, I bet we'll still run into an issue or two where for some reason state is lost somewhere | 11:11 |
| oneswig | I think you and mgoddard both hit issues with races on this interface, right? | 11:12 |
| janders | plus it would be good if it can fix itself when an operator makes a mistake | 11:12 |
| janders | I think so | 11:12 |
| janders | I think what was killing us was garbage in the journal | 11:13 |
| janders | neutron would try replaying the journal (D)DoSing the SDN API | 11:13 |
| janders | with requests that were no longer valid | 11:13 |
| janders | from my understanding this spec touches on both things - consistency checking/enforcement (which I like) | 11:14 |
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| janders | and also on the journal which was supposed to help with some of these challenges - but in my experience it does not always help, sometimes it makes things worse | 11:14 |
| janders | but overall yeah I think there's value in this blueprint | 11:14 |
| janders | what I wanted to get out of discussing this here is to find out if you think implementing this blueprint would fix the issues you're seeing | 11:15 |
| janders | personally I would like to see generic functionality in neutron which checks the state of the fabric for inconsistencies and resolves these | 11:15 |
| janders | PLUS | 11:15 |
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| oneswig | It makes reference to Open Daylight's journal but mostly is retrofitted from OVN's implementation. | 11:16 |
| janders | I would like the vendors to 1) work on general resiliency of their solutions but 2) also provide the functionality that the above would plug into | 11:16 |
| oneswig | If there's an effort to make something cross-SDN, it would be good to see more consideration of that I think | 11:16 |
| oneswig | janders: agreed | 11:16 |
| janders | I know for sure Juniper users suffer with the same (neutron and the SDN getting out of sync + having to merge manually which is a nightmare) | 11:17 |
| janders | Blair isn't here but I think he's had some of this with Cumulus too | 11:17 |
| janders | when I was chatting to Miguel with Adrian from Mellanox, an Ericsson developer came and joined us, saying their stuff is suffering from this too | 11:18 |
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| janders | I was trying to get some feedback from Mellanox on this but my contacts are OOO - so we're probably looking at next week the earliest | 11:19 |
| oneswig | Way back (Paris summit) I recall discussing this kind of issue with the team from Big Switch - part of their solution was to checksum current state and check against the state in the SDN controller. All port state cheaply compared in one move - only costly if they don't tally | 11:19 |
| janders | get_inconsistent_resources '''''''''''''''''''''''''' Get a list of inconsistent resources which the revision number from the table aformentioned differs from the standardattributes table. | 11:22 |
| janders | (line 332) | 11:22 |
| janders | sync_resource ''''''''''''' The method provides a way to handle cases in which the SBI needs to be called and bump the revision number once there has been success on syncing with the SBI backend. In most cases this will be called in the ``\*_postcommit()`` methods. | 11:24 |
| janders | (line 226) | 11:24 |
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| janders | if I'm reading this right these two functions should be able to resolve issues in the most common scenarios I'm seeing | 11:24 |
| oneswig | I was interested by the treatment on existing implementations here: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/565463/12/specs/stein/sbi-database-consistency.rst@451 | 11:24 |
| janders | this is what Neutron is doing today, right? | 11:26 |
| oneswig | It's what OpenDaylight's Neutron driver is doing today, apparently | 11:26 |
| janders | if that's the case it would work if it can't talk to the SDN, but if the SDN accepts the request, it's deleted from journal and that's it | 11:27 |
| janders | if something goes sideways afterwards, or the port "unconfigures itself" somehow journal won't help | 11:27 |
| janders | I believe the Mellanox mechanism driver does exactly the same | 11:27 |
| janders | I think get_inconsistent_resources and sync_resource could provide functionality to deal with these issues | 11:29 |
| oneswig | That's something I think at the PTG we compared with a deep scrub in Ceph, right? | 11:29 |
| janders | yes | 11:29 |
| janders | so - that's where things are at in regards to this challenge at this point in time | 11:32 |
| janders | I'm thinking what should we do next | 11:32 |
| oneswig | The prerequisites (line 104) - do you think Neo could track a revision sequence number like this? | 11:32 |
| janders | I'll try to run the blueprint by the Mellanox guys when they're back | 11:32 |
| janders | good quesiton! My guess is - the current version might not have that field, but I suppose it shouldn't be a big deal to add it.. | 11:33 |
| oneswig | It might be exposing an assumption that (for example) the OVN controller doesn't expect there to be other users making changes, where Neo is designed as a multi-user tool for which Neutron is one user. | 11:34 |
| janders | I also believe there's a fair bit of activity around SDN at Mellanox so perhaps there are some new avenues that could be used to get this functionality | 11:34 |
| oneswig | janders: biggest hope would be to roll Neo and UFM into one ... | 11:34 |
| janders | agreed and I don't think that's completely off the table | 11:34 |
| janders | although it won't happen overnight.. | 11:35 |
| oneswig | No indeed. And I wouldn't want to use it if it did! | 11:35 |
| janders | haha! :) | 11:35 |
| janders | do you think you would be able to run this blueprint by John and/or Mark for extra feedback? | 11:36 |
| janders | I'm thinking after we've all looked through it, perhaps let's have one more discussion here (I will see if we can get the Mellanoxes here) and maybe then let's ask the Neutron folks if we could bring this up in their meeting? | 11:36 |
| oneswig | I think there's questions to ask of this spec but it's pretty close. My main concern is whether it can be implemented elsewhere and to what extent it reinvents existing work in each implementation | 11:36 |
| janders | all valid concerns | 11:37 |
| janders | the approach I was thinking of taking is get it right for one vendor plugin | 11:37 |
| janders | and abstract the implementation away so that the others can use it too | 11:37 |
| oneswig | janders: will definitely like to see this go further though. | 11:37 |
| janders | yeah - I think this will literally make or break SDN based deployments | 11:38 |
| oneswig | you mean apart from the reference implementation in OVN? | 11:38 |
| janders | people are struggling at scale | 11:38 |
| janders | right, perhaps OVN could be that reference | 11:38 |
| janders | when I made that statement first I wasn't aware to what extent this was already investigated for OVN | 11:38 |
| oneswig | I think it needs one in addition to OVN - otherwise it will include OVN-centric assumptions | 11:38 |
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| janders | and I suppose being the open implementation it's well positioned as a reference / good practice | 11:39 |
| oneswig | Tungsten or ODL would be good to see as examples of how this proposal would interoperate with a proven system. | 11:40 |
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| oneswig | It would not be a trivial change for them. The Mellanox driver is smaller and simpler. | 11:41 |
| janders | indeed | 11:42 |
| oneswig | Anyway, I'll circulate it here and see what people think. | 11:42 |
| janders | what was the system that you guys built that used dual eth+ib interconnect? Was that used for ASKAP? | 11:43 |
| janders | I wonder about scale of it | 11:43 |
| oneswig | It would certainly be worthwhile if you can canvas your Mellanox contact on it too | 11:43 |
| oneswig | janders: not for ASKAP. It's ALaSKA at Cambridge University. | 11:43 |
| oneswig | Getting a Rocky upgrade today. | 11:43 |
| janders | oh wow | 11:44 |
| oneswig | Scale is 2 racks, 2 IB switches. | 11:44 |
| janders | yeah I meant ALaSKA - when I think of SKA I automatically type ASKAP :) | 11:44 |
| janders | right! | 11:44 |
| janders | yeah I suspect that we can be quite successful building small-medium scale systems with the current stack | 11:44 |
| oneswig | ASKAP's far more impressive as a prototype :-) | 11:44 |
| janders | but before we go thousands we need to improve this, otherwise operations might get tricky | 11:45 |
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| janders | especially if it's a highly dynamic system | 11:45 |
| oneswig | I very much agree. | 11:45 |
| janders | ok! I think we have a very good plan | 11:45 |
| oneswig | The part that isn't covered here is any means of requesting a resync from SDN to Neutron | 11:46 |
| janders | I suggest we touch base on this again next week | 11:46 |
| janders | true! | 11:46 |
| oneswig | I'm out next week, alas. 2 weeks time? | 11:46 |
| janders | I haven't thought about how that consistency check function is called... | 11:46 |
| janders | I wouldn't mind having a CLI command to run manually to start with | 11:46 |
| janders | for 1) consistency check and 2) reconcile | 11:47 |
| janders | OK! sounds like a plan. That should be the right amount of time to engage the key individuals | 11:47 |
| oneswig | Any path to complete the feedback loop would be good, no matter how slow. | 11:47 |
| oneswig | OK janders, remind me to put it on the agenda for follow-up in 2 weeks. | 11:48 |
| janders | ok! will do | 11:48 |
| oneswig | #topic AOB | 11:48 |
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| janders | if you have any comments / questions in the meantime drop me a line - or just update the bug directly | 11:48 |
| janders | they guys are quite responsive | 11:48 |
| oneswig | will do, thanks | 11:48 |
| oneswig | Anything else new? | 11:48 |
| janders | nothing I'm allowed to talk about - made some good progress with procurement.. | 11:49 |
| janders | that's been my life for the last week mostly :( | 11:49 |
| janders | how about you? | 11:49 |
| oneswig | Ah, shopping, what a pleasant distraction on a winter's night :-) | 11:49 |
| janders | Rocky upgrade sounds exciting! :) | 11:49 |
| oneswig | Proceeding through update to latest Queens so far... nearly ready for the jump (but I'm not driving it) | 11:50 |
| oneswig | I'm working on my slides for CERN next week - 2 presentations on SKA and Swiss Personalized Health Network... | 11:50 |
| janders | great! are the presentations recorded? | 11:51 |
| oneswig | I know a few folks from the SIG will be there so I'm hoping to make it worthwhile :-) | 11:51 |
| oneswig | Don't know about recording, I expect so. | 11:51 |
| janders | I'm sure it will be | 11:51 |
| janders | that would be great! :) | 11:51 |
| oneswig | Better get back to the preparing then, no pressure. | 11:52 |
| janders | I better leave you to it :) | 11:53 |
| oneswig | BTW do you have a Cumulus deployment? I wonder if they might provide another view | 11:53 |
| janders | I don't - I believe Blair used to run one | 11:53 |
| janders | I think they are closer to networking-ansible driver | 11:53 |
| janders | they do have an API that's like a proxy which in turn sshes into switches | 11:53 |
| oneswig | Right, let's copy him in too, see if there's a known issue and if they'd be interested. | 11:54 |
| janders | and - sometimes the state change doesn't propagate all the way to the port and manual intervention is needed - at least that's what I heard some time back | 11:54 |
| janders | that's a great idea | 11:54 |
| oneswig | OK janders, any more to cover? | 11:54 |
| janders | no, I think we're good | 11:54 |
| janders | enjoy Geneva! | 11:54 |
| oneswig | Great, let's close, it must be late at your end. | 11:54 |
| oneswig | Thanks! | 11:54 |
| janders | till next time | 11:55 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 11:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 22 11:55:03 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 11:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2019/scientific_sig.2019-05-22-11.00.html | 11:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2019/scientific_sig.2019-05-22-11.00.txt | 11:55 |
| oneswig | until then | 11:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2019/scientific_sig.2019-05-22-11.00.log.html | 11:55 |
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| jungleboyj | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 22 16:01:08 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jungleboyj. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:01 |
| whoami-rajat | Hi | 16:01 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 16:01 |
| woojay | hello | 16:01 |
| lseki | hi | 16:01 |
| carloss | hi :) | 16:01 |
| LiangFang | o/ | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | Courtesy ping: jungleboyj diablo_rojo, diablo_rojo_phon, rajinir tbarron xyang xyang1 e0ne gouthamr erlon tpsilva ganso patrickeast tommylikehu eharney geguileo smcginnis lhx_ lhx__ aspiers jgriffith moshele hwalsh felipemonteiro lpetrut lseki _alastor_ whoami-rajat yikun rosmaita enriquetaso hemna _hemna | 16:01 |
| rosmaita | love that courtesy ping ... hello! | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | rosmaita: I am to please. ;-) | 16:02 |
| davidsha | o/ | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | Give people one more minute to collect. | 16:02 |
| senrique_ | o/ | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. Lets get started. | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | #topic announcements | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:04 | |
| jungleboyj | Wanted to make people aware that we have marked the Sheepdog Driver unsupported. | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://review.opendev.org/660518 | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | Doesn't appear that anyone is maintaining it. So, it is time to go. | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | Test removal here: https://review.opendev.org/660447 | 16:05 |
| _erlon_ | Hey | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | In other news, I have official agreement from Lenovo to host the mid-cycle. | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | So the party is on! | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | There's a similar one for glance_store (cc: rosmaita) | 16:05 |
| rosmaita | smcginnis: ty | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | I will be reserving rooms today. | 16:05 |
| rajinir | o/ | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | Great! I hope more folks can attend that. Great to meet up face to face. | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-train-mid-cycle-planning | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | Even with the small group, it was very productive. | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | Since we have planned far enough ahead I am hoping more people can get approval. | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | If it helps people to carpool we can plan accordingly. The offices are only 10 minutes from the airport with lots of hotels nearby. | 16:07 |
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| smcginnis | Would be great if we can mostly stay in the same hotel. | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | That would be nice. | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Any chance of checking on some kind of group event rate? | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | That always worked well in Ft Collins that HP was able to get that for us. | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | Hmmm, good question. Let me follow up with Meg and see if there is a contact for that. | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | Cool | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | Message sent. Will keep you guys updated on that. | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | Any other questions or comments there? | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | Really glad to do this again. Wish me luck getting the conference room. They just re-designed the whole building and it sounds like things are more complicated there. | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | Later in the week should be easier though. | 16:10 |
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| jungleboyj | Last announcement. | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | Reminder that I am removing the old ping list today. | 16:10 |
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| jungleboyj | If you want to be pinged in the future, please add your name to the new list. | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/x4qRf1qd/ | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-train-meetings | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks to all who have added your names back in! | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | Glad you want to keep meeting. ;-) | 16:11 |
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| jungleboyj | Hey, at least one person was listening. | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:12 |
| * jungleboyj gives a gold star to davidsha | 16:12 | |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | That also shows how stale our old ping list was. | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | Also fun to see the people who are listening quietly in the background. | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. Moving on. | 16:13 |
| davidsha | Lol | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Discuss Train Development Priorities | 16:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discuss Train Development Priorities (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:13 | |
| jungleboyj | walshh_: Welcome back. :-) | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking | 16:14 |
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| jungleboyj | So, I have taken a stab at what I think the priority work items are under 'Train Planned Specs/Work' | 16:14 |
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| * e0ne have to rebase generic backup patches :( | 16:15 | |
| jungleboyj | Some of these were pulled forward from Stein. Some are new from our discussion in Denver. | 16:15 |
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| jungleboyj | Does anyone have concerns with this order? | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | Have I missed anything? | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | I see updates being made. Thank you! | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | Appreciate if we can keep the list updated as we are doing work. | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Do you know if yikun_ Is working on the API to re-image an attached volume? | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: No, I don't believe so now. | 16:17 |
| whoami-rajat | jungleboyj: may i add my automate sample file generator too? it doesn't have a spec though | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. So should I pull that out of the list? | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, probably unless someone else wants to take it over. | 16:18 |
| whoami-rajat | i was working on the client and cinder-tempest-plugin tests on the same | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | whoami-rajat: Sure, add that in as well. | 16:19 |
| whoami-rajat | ^^ reimage one | 16:19 |
| whoami-rajat | jungleboyj: ok thanks. | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | whoami-rajat: Ok. So do you want me to leave that in the list for train? | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | The re-image one. | 16:21 |
| whoami-rajat | jungleboyj: if noone's currently working on the same, i can take some time to look into it. i've completed the client code for the same so... | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | We (someone that can be involved in it) should probably also check in with Nova to see the status on their end. I believe that was driven by their side with wanting to be able to rebuild instances without destroying and recreating completely. | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. I will leave it there and leave your name on it. | 16:22 |
| whoami-rajat | smcginnis: yep, our work was halted cause it needed to be merged in nova first | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | Know you have a lot on your plate. | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | We can leave it as a reminder to check in on things. | 16:23 |
| whoami-rajat | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/625893/ | 16:23 |
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| whoami-rajat | jungleboyj: it's a long cycle :), sure thanks. | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | So, Given the minimal additional comments I take there isn't a lot of concern with this list? | 16:24 |
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| jungleboyj | whoami-rajat: That's the attitude. ;-) | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks for all you are doing to help out. | 16:24 |
| whoami-rajat | jungleboyj: np, thanks for the support :) | 16:25 |
| rosmaita | list looks good, i don't see anything missing | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | Great. Ok. So we will go forward with that. | 16:25 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Thanks for adding the 'train-drivers' topic. | 16:25 |
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| jungleboyj | If I see other drivers come along I will try to make sure we use that. | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | #Py3 Support Issues | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Py3 Support Issues | 16:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Py3 Support Issues (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:26 | |
| jungleboyj | So we have three drivers that have libraries that are not py3 compatible. | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | I have talked to IBM and they are planning to address this. | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | How do we want to handle the vmvmclient and lefthand libraries? | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | My thought was to try and contact their CI e-mail and let them know of the exposure. | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | That would be a good step. | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | I think we also need to mark them unsupported though. | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | Given our CI requirements. | 16:28 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: +1 | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | If I don't hear anything this week I will mark them unsupported. | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | hemna thought lefthand was probably a dead product at this point. | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | No idea on the vmem state | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | Right. | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | I also was going to start putting up unsupported patches for the CIs that haven't fixed issues with the move to review.opendev.org | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | I will send out one more e-mail about that as well and start working on the patches. | 16:31 |
| jungleboyj | If there are no additional comments or disagreements we can move on from that too. | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | #topic upload-to-image returns NoneType error | 16:33 |
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| jungleboyj | LiangFang: | 16:33 |
| LiangFang | hi | 16:33 |
| LiangFang | Eric has just fixed this issue | 16:33 |
| LiangFang | so i have abandoned my patch：） | 16:33 |
| LiangFang | thanks | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | :-) Ok. Good deal. | 16:34 |
| LiangFang | so the patch will be merged today, right? | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | LiangFang: Looks like it. | 16:34 |
| LiangFang | OK, good | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | LiangFang: The bug references was actually against StarlingX. Is there something additional that needs to be done there? | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | s/references/referenced/ | 16:34 |
| LiangFang | no additional, I think | 16:35 |
| LiangFang | just create volume without giving volume type | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | So that bug should probably be closed as Invalid, but I don't know how StarlingX does their bug management. | 16:36 |
| LiangFang | I also reproduced this issue in my starlingx environment | 16:36 |
| LiangFang | I have marked this bug as "Fix Commited", it is a real bug, but fixed | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | That makes sense. | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks to eharney for fixing. | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | Though doesn't look like he is here this week. :-( | 16:37 |
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| rosmaita | he had a conflict, i will make sure he hears some appreciation | 16:38 |
| LiangFang | there're some other bugs saying cinder has problem in starlingx, but i checked these bugs and find they are not really cinder bugs | 16:38 |
| LiangFang | these bugs will be mark as "invalid" later | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | rosmaita: Thanks! | 16:39 |
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| jungleboyj | LiangFang: Ok. Cool. Thank you for looking into those. | 16:40 |
| LiangFang | jungleboyj: thanks | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | LiangFang: Are you working with StarlingX then? | 16:40 |
| LiangFang | yes | 16:40 |
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| jungleboyj | Great. Good to know who to contact on Storage stuff there. | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | LiangFang: Anything else? | 16:41 |
| LiangFang | nothing more, thanks | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | Thank you. | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Open Discussion | 16:42 |
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| jungleboyj | Anything else that people want to discuss this week? | 16:42 |
| rosmaita | i have something real quick | 16:43 |
| rosmaita | and i have too many windows open | 16:43 |
| * jungleboyj saw that coming. :-) | 16:43 | |
| rosmaita | anyway, sean has a patch up for deprecating the nesteddbquota driver | 16:43 |
| rosmaita | there wasn't much discussion on the ML, so i assume no one is using it | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | rosmaita: ++ | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | I saw that. | 16:44 |
| rosmaita | just wanted to mention it as the last chance for anyone to protest the removal | 16:44 |
| rosmaita | (just in case) | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | Ahh, Good point. | 16:45 |
| rosmaita | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/657511/ | 16:45 |
| rosmaita | found it | 16:45 |
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| rosmaita | that's all from me | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | Great. Thank you. | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | Anything else? | 16:47 |
| * jungleboyj hears the crickets fade in. | 16:47 | |
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| jungleboyj | Ok. So, can give 12 minutes back to people. | 16:48 |
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| jungleboyj | Thank you to everyone for attending and participating. Have noticed that more people are contributing to the meetings again and it really helps keep things moving forward and is appreciated. | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | Glad to keep working with such a great community. | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | Everyone have a great week and I will talk with you all next week. | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | #endmeeting | 16:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 22 16:49:37 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2019/cinder.2019-05-22-16.01.html | 16:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2019/cinder.2019-05-22-16.01.txt | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | Thanks! | 16:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2019/cinder.2019-05-22-16.01.log.html | 16:49 |
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| davidsha | Thanks! | 16:49 |
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| timburke | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 22 21:00:12 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is timburke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| timburke | who's here for the swift meeting? | 21:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:00 |
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| clayg | o/ | 21:01 |
| timburke | i know alecuyer and rledisez aren't going to make it | 21:01 |
| mattoliverau | And am making breakfast for the girls, so could be interesting :p | 21:01 |
| timburke | heh | 21:01 |
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| timburke | all right, agenda: | 21:03 |
| timburke | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:03 |
| timburke | not much new going on, mostly looking at updates. with that, | 21:03 |
| timburke | #topic tempurl PUT restrictions | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "tempurl PUT restrictions (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:03 | |
| timburke | mattoliverau did a great job of poking at some func tests and pushed them up | 21:04 |
| timburke | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/659499/ | 21:04 |
| patchbot | patch 659499 - swift - WIP: Functests that stress tempurl xlo PUTs - 1 patch set | 21:04 |
| mattoliverau | Still needs a bunch of work, will poke some more at it :) | 21:04 |
| timburke | i had a few concerns that we maybe *aren't* actually comfortable with loosening our restrictions as we'd hypothesized at the PTG | 21:05 |
| timburke | mattoliverau, do you think it's something we should continue bringing up during meetings, or is the review a better venue for discussion? | 21:06 |
| mattoliverau | For now maybe the review, can move it back to meeting if it stagnates or needs some real grey matter :) | 21:06 |
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| timburke | sounds good. i don't want to harangue you every week unnecessarily ;-) | 21:07 |
| mattoliverau | Loosening may be ok, but I think we need to be careful and make sure the cve holes are still plugged :) | 21:07 |
| timburke | agreed | 21:08 |
| timburke | #topic container building | 21:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "container building (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:08 | |
| timburke | the container jobs are passing again! | 21:08 |
| timburke | but i still proposed & landed a patch to make them non-voting | 21:08 |
| clayg | 🙌 | 21:08 |
| timburke | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/659391/ | 21:08 |
| patchbot | patch 659391 - swift - Make build/upload/promote image jobs non-voting (MERGED) - 1 patch set | 21:08 |
| timburke | more an fyi than anything else | 21:09 |
| timburke | i'm excited to see what we build on top of these | 21:09 |
| timburke | #topic migration to storyboard | 21:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "migration to storyboard (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:10 | |
| timburke | last week, diablo_rojo_phon said she was going to try to get our migration done | 21:10 |
| notmyname | I saw she said something in -infra about working on it | 21:11 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | I got the project created last week. | 21:11 |
| timburke | not sure whether it's actually happened yet or not, though -- i think there was ... yeah! the project's created :-) | 21:11 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | I had some issues with my SSH key to the Dev isntance that I got cleared up. Then we hit some python 3 issues that I think are fine now so I shoooould be able to run it. | 21:11 |
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| timburke | thanks diablo_rojo_phon! so does that mean that we could start creating *new* stories there? | 21:12 |
| timburke | yay running things! | 21:12 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | You can make test stories there for sure. | 21:12 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | I wouldn't make legit ones there. | 21:12 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | If you want to make legit ones in sb I would move forward with the project config change | 21:12 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | That would create the project I'm the prod sb. | 21:12 |
| timburke | yeah, makes sense. since it's the sandbox area and will likely get blown away at some point | 21:13 |
| timburke | what's the sandbox url? | 21:13 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Yeah it's definitely not the 'real' place. | 21:13 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | storyboard-dev.openstack.org | 21:13 |
| timburke | #link https://storyboard-dev.openstack.org/#!/project/openstack/swift | 21:14 |
| timburke | i'd encourage everyone to try out the "make a story, comment on it, close it as either fixed or invalid" workflow, see how it feels | 21:15 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | +2 | 21:15 |
| timburke | it will surely take a bit of getting used to, but with some practice i'm sure it'll be great | 21:16 |
| timburke | #topic libec release | 21:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "libec release (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:16 | |
| diablo_rojo_phon | If anyone has questions please come ask in #storyboard | 21:17 |
| timburke | last week we agreed it would be a good idea to get a 1.6.1 out, but so far i haven't had time to get together an AUTHORS/CHANGELOG patch. sorry | 21:17 |
| mattoliverau | diablo_rojo_phon: thanks, and enjoy barcelona :) | 21:17 |
| timburke | tdasilva offered to help (http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-swift/%23openstack-swift.2019-05-17.log.html#t2019-05-17T17:51:04) but i guess he hasn't had time either ;-) | 21:18 |
| timburke | i'll try to get my act together this week | 21:18 |
| timburke | #topic python 3 | 21:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "python 3 (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:18 | |
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| mattoliverau | timburke: you got alot of other stuff done so no stress :) | 21:18 |
| timburke | heh, speaking of: | 21:18 |
| timburke | we have a func-py37 test gate job! | 21:19 |
| mattoliverau | \o/ | 21:19 |
| timburke | that one file gets us to like 27% of our func tests :P | 21:19 |
| timburke | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/642520/ | 21:20 |
| patchbot | patch 642520 - swift - Get functional/tests.py running under py3 (MERGED) - 16 patch sets | 21:20 |
| timburke | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/645856/ | 21:20 |
| patchbot | patch 645856 - swift - Add py37 func test job (MERGED) - 8 patch sets | 21:20 |
| timburke | more good news: we've got patches proposed to bring all but one unit test file under test on py3! | 21:21 |
| timburke | i think i've got the list up-to-date at | 21:21 |
| timburke | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 21:21 |
| timburke | we're down to just two middlewares | 21:21 |
| timburke | a handful of obj test files | 21:21 |
| timburke | and test_locale.py (which has no patch yet) | 21:22 |
| mattoliverau | nice | 21:22 |
| timburke | i checked our coverage last week and this morning, and we've gone from 83% to 86.5%, which seems great | 21:23 |
| timburke | and we've got some half-dozen func test patches waiting for review | 21:23 |
| timburke | i'm not sure that we'll hit my end-of-the-month target, but it definitely seems like we won't miss it by much | 21:24 |
| mattoliverau | timburke: youve done an amazing job getting the func tests and obj tests over! | 21:25 |
| timburke | so great job everybody! keep reviewing! keep thinking about this! | 21:25 |
| timburke | and keep testing. OVH did some nice mixed-version testing that uncovered a bug where we didn't specify the pickle protocol version we wanted | 21:26 |
| timburke | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/659614/ | 21:26 |
| patchbot | patch 659614 - swift - Specify pickle protocol in REPLICATE() - 3 patch sets | 21:26 |
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| mattoliverau | oh nice find.. thats important :) | 21:27 |
| timburke | #topic lots of small files | 21:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "lots of small files (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:28 | |
| timburke | ...only i'm not sure kota is here... so i guess not much change for the time being ;-) | 21:28 |
| timburke | i did at least kick the merge-from-master from last week -- i should look at doing another merge for this week | 21:29 |
| timburke | #topic open discussion | 21:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:29 | |
| timburke | oh, hey! looks like clayg approved my async-delete patch! | 21:30 |
| timburke | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/659162/ | 21:30 |
| patchbot | patch 659162 - swift - Add operator tool to async-delete some or all obje... - 7 patch sets | 21:30 |
| timburke | i was going to bring that up otherwise ;-) | 21:31 |
| mattoliverau | oh cool, it uses the queue. I look forward to having a play with it | 21:32 |
| timburke | there are definitely some interesting ideas in the review comments for where we could take it from there, including using something like the general task queue to drive a job that does the paging/enqueuing of the expirer entries -- super interesting | 21:34 |
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| mattoliverau | oh interesting, looks like even though it +a'ed I need to add it to my list of patches to read (esp the comments) :P Have these ideas been moved to the ideas page? | 21:36 |
| timburke | mattoliverau, not yet. i'll put that on my list of things to do for next week | 21:36 |
| timburke | all right, i think i'm going to call it | 21:38 |
| timburke | thank you all for coming, and thank you for working on swift! | 21:38 |
| timburke | #endmeeting | 21:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 22 21:38:28 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2019/swift.2019-05-22-21.00.html | 21:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2019/swift.2019-05-22-21.00.txt | 21:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2019/swift.2019-05-22-21.00.log.html | 21:38 |
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